(Fox News) The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the 3 major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being Sexually Abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.'
260 Protestant Incidents VS 9 in the Catholic Church!
But Prots are Jew friendly. US Kosher media is selective.
I've been looking at some of the comments below. In my view Catholics & Protestants should engage in debate & critique each, yet above all else, while doing this, we must never stop loving each other. (Mark 21:31). If we can't even love our fellow Christians then what sort of image are we potraying to non-believers?
"The Reformation was a devastation of England, which was at the time when this event took place,the Happiest country that the world had ever seen; Afterwards marched on devastating and inflicting torments on the people,Shedding their innocent blood; Abbeys,nunneries,hospitals & religious foundations were Confiscated by the Reformers and Jews,who brought to England the Misery of Pauperism "
-William Cobbett, Protestant Author-A History of the Protestant Reformation in England 1763-1834
BIBLE SAYS ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT... ALL MEANS ALL INCLUDING PROPHETS AND BABIES. BUT THIS IS FROM NEW TESTACLE , AND 1ST HALF IS FROM OLD TESTAMENT., A TRICK COS OLD ONE SAYS HE WHO SINS WILL PERISH, NEITHER DOES THE SON BEAR THE CRIMES OF THE FATHER AND VICE VERSA. SO THEY DIRECTLY IGNORE THIS , WEN QUOTING WHY SKIP 500YEARS TO NEW TEST TO COMPLETE WITH ALL HAVE SINNED WHY LIE. ITS TELLING U SIN IS NOT INHERITED, GOD ALSO SAYS I FORGIVE SINS ON MY OWN ACCORD.....
I didn't know you had to be smart to be a Christian. I thought people with down syndrome could go to heaven too. How am I going to explain this to a person that doesn't get it. (Sarcastic) I'm sure Jesus would just LOVE this debate. I bet he would watch this debate in pure joy!! Yeah right!! He would hate this debate and start throwing their tables over. Being saved is easier than we think. Thanks Jesus.
YOU STUPID RETARDS WHO TOLD YOU THE BIBLE BOOKS ARE FROM GOD. YOU JUST CHOSE 73 BOOKS OUT OF THOUSANDS IN 325AD WEN YOU VOTED JESUS AS GOD IN NICEA COUNCIL IN 325AD. BIBLE SHIT FGROM GOD THEY COME OUT WITH SO MUCH CRAP. EVEN THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THEYRE FROM GOD NOT 1 BOOK SAYS SO LET ALONE ALL OF THEM.
BABIES ARE NOT BORN WITH SIN . NOR DO PROPHETS EVR SIN. THE BIBLE SAYS HE WHO SINS WILL PERISH. THE FATHER WONT BE PUNISHED FOR THE SONS CRIMES OR VICE VERSA. THIS IN THE BIBLE YOU IGNORE AND NEVER COMPLETE THIS VERSE EVR
I'm a Catholic, born and raised. I respect the Protestant Church. In fact, I would even go to a Pentecostal Church for evening masses, and my Catholic Church for morning masses.
The rivalry between the two Churches makes me sick.
@KTD82291 The Pentecostal Church does not have Mass as the Catholic Church does. There's a difference. Please, as a fellow Catholic, please please please, don't miss represent our faith. It's the last thing we need.
@redeemerslove Im not religeous, but i know many(always trying 2 force it down my throat)so i know some things the bible says and it says idle or careless words show whats in your heart and that word "Geesh" is PURE AROGANCE, and SUPERIORITY in other words EVIL. God i hate religious hypocrites.
Catholic Douay R. contains all 73 books, including the 7 Deutero-Canonical books (erroneously called Apocrypha by Protestants). These 7 books were included in the 1611 KJV, but Not in later KJV Bibles.
1946 Dead-sea scrolls, prove 7 DC books were used by the Jews in Alexandria.
Palestinian Jews did Not accept the 7 DC books for their version of Scriptures nor New Testament. Protestants base their Bible on this version which comes from a people who did Not accept Christ as Messiah.
@redeemerslove didnt i say im not religious? dont try puting your religious bulshit on me , i can think 4 myself, i dont need other people 2 tell me what 2 think, or how 2 think,but i can still see you r a self righteous ass hole
christian turds are always denying what is common knowledge , one says babies go to hell if not christian the other says no he has no sin , while bible says ALL HAVE SINNED , so pathetic
christians are the BEST child gay rapers ever. then they look in a MIRROR AND ERM FORGIVE THEMSELVES BY SAYING BLOODY MARU COUPLE OF TIMES . OR THEY GO TO THAT SECRET PRIEST SOCIETY SINCE 1275AD that discuss and share choir boy raping techniques, this group reckons IT THERE PAYMENT for services to the church . can you imagine this pervert group society of priests contentment. so send your kids in there care if you dare...........
i john 5;7 the verse on the TRINITY begotten two places ascension mentioned proven as NOT the word of god , so why you retards still believin on something that was just scribbled on the original gospel by some guy why cant your religion stand without these proven FABRICATIONS
@whitehat777 I'll send them to you by message, if that's alright with you. It's easier when there isn't such a strict character limit. I'll keep them concise though. And take as long as you need to think about each one. If you can't get back to me by tomorrow night it's no big deal. God bless.
@whitehat777 You want to be a Jew , okay, cut your penis and be done with it. But when you become Judaized, and no longer ruled by the Holy Spirit and the Liberty in Christ, you must be careful to obey the whole Law, not just the parts you agree with, If you don't you will begin to share with the Jews as the Curses for breaking the whole Law, when any one , even small part, of the Law has not been performed. If you do not believe Jesus rose from the dead and appears, then you are lost.
@whitehat777 Jesus Himself is the Law, and He Himself is your Salvation, It is a Living Law, for He Lives and Reigns in the Holy Spirit. It is you who are trying to make Jesus as if like Moses, Jesus came, gave the Law for us , died and we have only to Memorialize the Law, reading a book. That is false, The Trinity shows that Three Witnesses Enter the Testimony of the Meeting, And if God chooses, God comes down from Heaven in the Holy Spirit and appears as Jesus Christ among us.
There is no Hierarchy of degrees of love and giving to God and to all the Commandments, The same quality Love you offer to God, you should be offering to the Enemy. There is not a division of the worship into worship, honor, love, respect, like, tolerate, etc. in a condescending many of less and less love one gives. When you love your enemies, you then are worshiping the Lord thy God. The enemy you can see, God you have never seen , and won't until you stop judging falsely.
The English would address the Magistrate of the Crown " I pray to thee, my Worship" speaking not to God, but to a Royal Attendant. Then the English would address a Judge as " I pray to thee your Honor" And so, then , when the English got around to hating all Catholics they drew this sword of their own invention , upon Catholics to say we honored Mary at the level of worship only due Christ. That is a lie of the Devil, and all those who so lie are going straight to hell !! 3=1
The British invented this division of "Your Worship" for their Magistrates and " Your Honor" then they tried to lie and say the Bible so divides the degree of love and giving to God by this sort of fallacy. You worship God, but you "only" honor your parents ? LIES !!! There is no such translations of these two words of worship and honor in the Jewish Hebrew Bible, And so the British invented this and put it into their King James , because they were into Worships and Honors Talk.
The First Commandment to Love God and the Ninth to not bear false witness , is not then a condescension from the greater duty and highest giving of praise or worship to a lesser or minor offering of worship. IT is EQUAL, loving God and respecting a stranger in the land is of EQUAL DUTY AND WORSHIP to take care to do. Loving God and Honoring your parents is not a lesser Love or Giving, each must be done as if you are doing that directly to God. Mary is the Mother of God, I love her.
Jesus said to Peter and said to the Disciples the Risen Christ appeared to, they received the ongoing presence of Christ, breathed upon them as bodily , the persons of Christ on Earth that have power of the Law to bind or loosen, to forgive sins or retain them as not forgiven. That is the REAL POWER of the CHURCH. Not every man is chosen, but a few, and Liberty to the people means not an occasion to do evil crimes, but making statues and art and loving the saints and Mary is a FREEDOM
As long as Moses was alive, the Law was alive in Moses, what Moses said, one way or the other, went as given Law. When Moses died, the Jews Memorialized the Written Law of Moses as the Law. The Law given died and that ended that living authority. When the Messiah came, and comes again, He as the Living Word of God, speaks anew, by His Placebo, whatever He desires to speak as the Rule of His thumb, that is the Law. Jesus can speak Law , and alter the Law, as MESSIAH's DIVINITY
The Church, then is a Place where Jesus Christ is yet appearing as God, in the Person of the Holy Spirit, giving Power of the Law to the Fathers, to abrogate, to bind or loosen, to forgive or not forgive, and to save by the Authority of the Church.This is proven by scripture in John 20:21-23 That Christ chooses the Disciples, they do not choose Him "Many are called, few are chosen" Is about those whom the Risen Christ appears to to take up the Earthly Ministry of the Church with all Power.
For an example of how Jesus abrogates the Law, he said the Law of Moses said not to commit adultery with another man's wife, but then Jesus said , If you look with lust at a woman, you have already committed adultery with her in your heart" So in this ,Jesus is exceeding the Law to institute a higher Moral Certainty than the Jews have in the Torah, because for Christians Jesus opens and closes, tightens and loosens the Law by His own Mouth speaking the Word, Jesus is God. LIBERTY
So the Law of Moses exuded out of the Ten Commandments as a "Teaching of the Law" or "TORAH" And when Jesus came, having the same and even greater power of "TORAH" then Moses. for Moses divided his powers with Aaron, but Jesus held all Authority in Himself as One. What ever Jesus said, is God's Word. The Way the Church is abrogating the Law for the Gentiles, to permit many things the Jews cannot do, is because Jesus is Messiah , it is His ROLE to be the LAW AS HE SPEAKS IT.
Now Moses received two tablets of the Law written from the finger of God, That was place on the Ark, a Sign of the Rebirth up and out of the Womb, a Box, carried as a woman , no man shall touch her, but the Son who sits upon the Box ,or Ark, a Womb , shall bear up the Law, from Ten Commandments written in Stone inside the Box, He shall Interpret the birth of all Interpretations and what is borne of the Ten Commandments is how the Messiah gives the Law Orally to His own People.
AS Jesus took up the Law in Himself, perfecting the Life of High Priest, the Levite who completes the Atonement, He ushers in the Acceptable Year of the Lord ,and the Jubilee, wherein, Now the LAW is in the person of Jesus, not in the Bible, and whatsoever Jesus Interprets and Abrogates and determines to UTTER out of HIS MOUTH, as the Law for the People, that shall be the Law for His People, while the Jews must obey the written Law of Moses, by the Tradition, for they are not FREE.
Catholics are Liberated from the Law, and can do almost anything in terms of their custom and manner of worship of God, as long as what they do is Morally Certain to please Jesus Christ, that the Gift of the Holy Spirit is given. Leviticus 25:10 refers to the Jubilee, where the standards of the Works of the Law is forsaken and Jews can do no works, but Gentiles are free as the wind and the waves and the Jews have to eat what comes naturally by the Nations, in "LIberty" the Law is Ended.
@whitehat777 In the Torah , God said the Jews were restricted from the Liberties of the Nations, which made idols and images, but in no way did God say God was then judging the Nations by their craft. It was only the idols used for Evil Inhumane things, that God opposed. And then Saint Paul said to Peter, that he lived with the Gentiles and the Gentile Customs, yet spoke of the need to obey the Law, as the false Hypocrisy that you also now spout out. Gentiles has not the Law.
@whitehat777 In the Temple of Solomon were the Angels and Saints as statues, While God gave a law to Jews not to make Idols or Images, God instructed the builders of the House of God to make Cherubim and Seraphim which are idols of men with wings and animals with human faces. The Gentile sons of Hiram built the Temple of Solomon, not the Jews, the idolaters of Lebanon, God received , with their idols and works to build up the House of God, the Jews never built the Temple
@whitehat777 "Worship" is not Hebrew term for loving God or giving to God, in the Law of Moses, Only the English divided the idea of Love to " Worship, or Honor" So you worship God but honor your parents, The Bible was not written that way in the Hebrew . There is no rule of condescending values of Loving God , then loving your parents a little less, and your neighbors a bit less, then less for a stranger and least for an enemy. the same Love you give God you give a Stranger.
The difference is, Protestants believe Jesus "IS" God, but so do the devil and his demons who tremble in fear of the name. Catholics believe "IN" Jesus and obey doctrine because it is of Jesus that this doctrine comes. The Catholic Church has always had in place "checks and balances" that does not allow sin, however the Protestant tries to justify the unjustifiable, that sin is O.K. The evil pagan Church of Rome today teaches or excepts these principles.defender37is@hotmail.com email me for help
Ephesians 2:8-9 Gace is very active & it must work very much in man to cause the effect. But what kind of effect? What does grace have to produce in man? Well it is saying, "So that no man may boast of the works that are not of grace. For without grace there are no works." Works without grace is not works at all. It is through grace that works are produced. For example, the angel Gabriel knew this very well, & said to Mary, "Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you," since Grace mediates works.
Technically the Catholic Faith is the Truth, and the Protestant view is a confusion about Jewish Customs as works, which are not required since Jesus already fulfilled those works, and the real discussion is what each Church requires proselytes to accomplish in the process of being permanent members of the Church, and how the Church is to assure believers they are on the right path to the Wedding Ceremony, when the Confirmation if made and one is actually forever married to God.
The Book of Romans only shows that the Jewish Customs are not required, particularly Circumcision, but it does not say there will not be challenges or requirement of engagements at various levels required to proceed from an engagement to be married to the wedding day, which is all principled on attitude and getting to know Jesus and the Life of a Saint. So the works required of the Discipleship and joining the Church and working with their Ministry is not works of the Law, but Offerings
In Romans 11:22 shows that believing in Jesus offers a time in which God shows kindness, but one can be cut off, such that time is only probationary, but at what time then does the believer become affixed or sealed as saved, such that they are not possibly to be cut off, seeming that a probationary time has gone by and the Wedding is then consummated. It appears that God in each case must act to advise the believer if the salvation is then sealed and complete, by the giving of the Holy Spirit
Putting aside the legal works of the Law, now the issue is what requirements are held as a priori by the Churches. What works must be done by the believer to join the congregation, and what is the order of the fellowship as the Church is daily organized to run it's ministry. How does a proselyte come to a proof that God has accepted the betrothal and when is the marriage vows made and how does God signal or testify that as the person prays to join the Lord, does the Lord accept him ?
Since both the Lutherans and the Catholics did not require Circumcision, or other Jewish Customs, they had to agree basically that the Faith was not a product of observing the Jewish Custom of works that sealed the admission of a proselyte to the Synagogue. The Justification arises out of the substituting works of Jesus , who did fulfill the Law of Moses, with regards to all demands of the Jewish Law. is then assignable to all who then enjoin their souls to Jesus, receiving merit for that.
Romans 3:28 has as the basic context a debate about whether Christians had to observe the Jewish Law, beginning with Circumcision and keeping the Shabbat observing Holy Days. So the real argument is not about repentance and baptism, but about becoming a Jew. Romans 4:11 is about Abraham being already justified before he was required to be circumcised, to show that the circumcision was not the matter that made a man right with God, So the entire matter is about the Jewish Customs
@cuantumk Haha that's why it's so awesome that he still manages to stay calm and make great points. And he's still spreading the Good News on EWTN all the time...
30,000 protestant churches? The gates of hell shall never prevail against the Catholic Church. Peter 3, 15 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, 16 speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. End of quote. 30,000 and counting? :)
This is like the argument of whether Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy is more legitimate. Bunch of nonsense! This is bull crap that the people in Northern Ireland are killing each other over.
@FattyWalsh I agree that people in Ireland are way out of hand, but it's hardly out of religious conviction. Most Catholics in Ireland don't really even practice their faith (I'm not sure about the state of Protestantism there). The greatest mass murderers in history have been atheists though, so maybe more people should become Christian. But thanks for the random, unsubstantiated insult to Christianity!
@Simple2easy My pleasure. Honestly, I understand why many people object to this title. On first glance, it can easily be taken the wrong way - such as saying God the Father owes his existence to Mary in some way.
The reason why the title is Mother of God and not Mother of Jesus (although this is correct too) speaks to the identity of Jesus. This title arose in response the the Nestorian heresy, which said that Jesus is not God. It exists to affirm Jesus's divine nature. Does this make sense?
@Simple2easy Friend, I've said multiple times that calling Mary the Mother of God does not mean that she is the mother of God the Father. She did not exist before God the Father, nor does God the Father owe his existence to her in any way. The opposite is true - Mary completely owes her existence and salvation to God.
But the fact that remains that Jesus is God, and Mary is the mother of Jesus. In this way, Mary gave birth to God in the flesh (Jesus). Jesus took his flesh from his mother, Mary.
@Simple2easy The Blessed Virgin Mary said God my savior, NOT JESUS, Because God saved her from original sin. SHE DID NOT NEED THE SACRIFICE OF HER SON, ALL in the original greek meant "a lot" but you avoid my comments, 'Hide the Bible"? you mean The Catholic Church gave you The Bible? where were you during the arian heresy? when The CC was fighting? or the agnosticism? exactly get off wikipedia with your garbage resources.
about rhe prayer "Holy mary mother of God" it speaks of mary being the mother of christ because we catholics believe that jesus christ is God. Also, we dont worship mary as we believe only To God the father and his son Jesus christ. So please stop saying things that you dont know.
about rhe prayer "Holy mary mother of God" it speaks of mary being the mother of christ because we catholics believe that jesus christ is God. Also, we dont worship mary as we believe only To God the father and his son Jesus christ. So please stop saying things that you dont know.
@Simple2easy if you believe in the holy trinity? you would call mary the mother of god ? and how many messages is their from mary saying to pray the rosay and that prayer says "holy mary mother of god pray for us sinners " so DARLING YOU GO ASK GOD ? and see what kind of messages you will get from our heavenly father
@Simple2easy "how stupid can one be" we just found out, its embarrassing even talking about it, Jesus is the word of God made flesh, how in the world can he be The Ark? So Jesus carried himself? "all have sinned" o using your logic Jesus has sinned also, cool story bro, The Catholic Church is The Foundation NOT THE BIBLE, (1 Tim 3:15)
Some people misinterpret scripture to their own condemnation (2 St. Peter 3:16)
@Simple2easy 1, everything is your opinion, 2 you have no foundation, 3 anyone who self interprets scripture is the first born of hell(a church father said this) 4, i already gave you proof, and you obviously ignored it,5 you saying all having fallen short of glory, is the equivalent of my saying, then also Jesus fell.
you logic is garbage, how can Jesus be perfect if his Mother is not? are you stupid enough to believe that God in the flesh would be born of a sinner???????????????????
@MysticalCity Jesus could be perfect even if his mother was not. As Catholics, we believe that it was fitting for Mary to be sinless, but not absolutely necessary. In God's perfect judgment, however, he decided to make her sinless.
@cburton103 2 Sam. 6:7 - The Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. The Blessed Virgin Mary The Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb.
@MysticalCity You know that I agree with you that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and that she is entirely undefiled by sin. She was only undefiled because God saw it fitting, not because it was strictly necessary. If it was necessary for Mary to be sinless in order to endow Jesus with his human nature, than why didn't St. Anne (Mary's mother) have to be sinless to, and St. Anne's mother, etc.? Also, why can a person who has a venial sin on their soul receive communion if this is necessary?
@cburton103 St.Anne was a very Holy Women, Thats why God chose her, also her husband, God formed The Blessed Virgin Mary in St.Anne womb, St.Anne and her husband St.Joachim did not have relations, They were both virgins, along with St.Joseph, St.John The baptist, all the people who affiliated with Jesus had to be the closest to thing to being perfect. Venial sin and mortal are 2 different things, 1 mortal sin sends someone to hell. Venial, you just get smacked silly for it in purgatory.
@MysticalCity Thanks, I'm very aware of the difference between venial and mortal sin. Are you Catholic? If so, where are you getting all of this information from?
@Simple2easy There is no intention in the title "Mother of God" to make Mary higher than God. If there were, it would be wrong to call her this. As you say, Mary is not the mother of God the Father. As I said in my first post to you, all this title means is that Mary endowed Jesus (the second person of the holy Trinity) with his human nature. As such, she is the mother of God, because her son is God. If you don't disagree that Jesus is God, then I'm not sure your point is logical. God bless
@cburton103 The Blessed Virgin Mary is The Daughter of God The Father, The Mother of God The Son, and The Spouse of God The Holy Ghost. PERIOD. anyone Who disrespects My Blessed Mother, LET THEM BE ANATHEMA.
@Simple2easy I don't follow your point. Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Jesus is God, right? It seems to be basic logic, so please address this if you still disagree. Was Jesus not fully man and fully divine when Mary gave birth to him? That's all that this name of Mary implies - that Jesus is God, and she gave birth to Jesus. Like I said, this does not mean Mary existed before God did, just that she gave birth to the man-God, Jesus.
@Simple2easy It seems as though there is a misunderstanding here.
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.
This term was applied to Mary to protect the true nature of the divinity of Jesus. It means that Mary gave birth to the second person of the Trinity, not that she existed before God. Are you fine with the belief stated this way?
@Simple2easy you can't take away the nature of Christ, plus read some history please, you think you know more then 1500 years of The Church that God started??? "And the Angel on his appearance, himself confesses that he has been sent by his Lord; as Gabriel confessed in the case of Zacharias, and also in the case of Mary, bearer of God." Athanasius, Orations III, 14(A.D. 362).
"He reshaped man to perfection in Himself, from Mary the Mother of God through the Holy Spirit." Epiphanius A.D. 374.
@Simple2easy St.Luke 1:43 - Elizabeth's use of "Mother of my Lord" (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used "Adonai" which means Lord God) is the equivalent of "Holy Mary, Mother of God" which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus' Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus' human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).
@Simple2easy why do we need Jesus? because if God himself did not come down and die for us, no one would enter heaven, you clearly did not read my comments, i already warned you, saying The Blessed Virgin Mary is a sinner, is calling God a sinner, and therefore, you going straight to hell, honestly. DO NOT DISRESPECT THE MOTHER OF THE JUDGE,
@Simple2easy what you fail to realize is that The Catholic Church chose the books, which then came to be known as The Bible, Pope Damasus commissioned St.Jerome to translate it to Latin, even luther believed this, and he even thanked The Catholic Church for giving people the Bible,
Both Scripture and reason teach us that The Blessed Virgin Mary would not have been worthy to be the
@Simple2easy Rom 3:23: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..."
The problem with this is that the word 'ALL' here is the Greek word, 'PAS', which can have different meanings to the absolute that we immediately think of - as shown in other verses of Holy Scripture.
St.Luke 2:1 "And an order went out from caesar Augustus that ALL the world should be counted."
@Simple2easy this is what is wrong with the protestant heresy, its all opinions of people holding the bible, you have no foundation, why don't you read what The Church Fathers taught? protestants follow the satanic nutcase luther from the 16th century, but can't go back and look at history?
St. Cyril of Alexandria:
"It would be preferable to suffer all the possible torments of Earth until the Judgment Day than to pass one day in Purgatory."
@MysticalCity Rom 15:14, "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with ALL knowledge..." The only person filled with 'ALL' knowledge is God Himself.
Rom 11:26, "ALL Israel shall be saved." Will everyone in Israel truly be saved?
The Greek word 'PAS' in many verses in Scripture simply means a 'great number', 'most of', or 'a lot'. So its appearance in the quoted passage can in no way be used as an objection to the sinlessness of The Blessed Virgin Mary.
@Simple2easy o so now your twisting scripture to your destruction? in this life? did you know purgatory can last anywhere from minutes to centuries? less then 1% of the earths population die in a state of perfection, read St.Matthew 12:36, also that verse(Hebrews 10:26) is talking everyone, if someone (like you) receives the knowledge of The Catholic Faith and still continues to ignore it? then may God Have mercy on you on judgement day, because saying The Virgin Mary was a sinner is hellfire.
@Simple2easy St.Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master. Jesus did not eliminate the consequences of sin, death proves that, there is punishment for every sin we commit, Jesus said be perfect, NOT ACCEPT ME AND LOOK AT THE WALL, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.
@Simple2easy what?!!! St.Peter was the prince of the apostles, he escaped from Jerusalem, founded his See in Antioch, after traveling to Judea, Samaria, Galilee,Asia Minor, he finally fixed his See at Rome. He was crucified upside down on Vatican Hill,Rome 67A.D. "Peter...at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way." Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).
@Simple2easy St.Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:38 - there is nothing in these passages or anywhere else about just accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior in order to be saved. James 4:17 - in fact, James writes that the failure to do works is a sin! So works are absolutely necessary for our justification.
St.Matt. 6:12 - forgive us our sins, not by how much faith we have, but as we forgive those who trespass against us.
@nvrggivup correct, it was sometime between 100-110AD " Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).
@nvrggivup The oldest script we have is St.Ignatius' epistle, calling The Church Catholic, however when scholars found the writing, they said that the word was in use earlier, it was just that many of the church fathers writings were destroyed, so for all we know, St.Paul and St.Peter(1st Pope) and St.John could of used that word.
@Simple2easy i got verses on purgatory but first i want to ask you a question, so your saying if some lady was a stripper for 20 years, gets into a car accident and before she dies she asked Jesus to forgive her, she would go straight to Heaven??? or Mother Teresa who suffered all her life, would get the same reward as that lady???
@MysticalCity God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34)... read the Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard. It does not matter that Mother Teresa worked harder than the "stripper" and for longer... they both can recieve God's mercy and be wiped clean.
@DonMiguel1810 you fail to realize when we die we get judged on our works, to say that they will receive the same reward is just nonsense, St.Matt. 7:19-23 - just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works.
St.Matt. 19:16-22 - Jesus teaches the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor. It is not just about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We also need good works by keeping Jesus' commandments.
@MysticalCity "just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works." - When we say Lord, Lord, and accept Him, we CHANGE (if it is a sincere, true conversion) and are a new creation. If we are a new creation, good works will flow from us anyway. Catholics have that little bit twisted. Also, Jesus was testing the young rich man, who failed the test.It had nothing to do with works. You seem knowledgeable, I'm surprised at you...
@MysticalCity Also, it is clear that in the Bible there was a theif (or whatever you want to call him) next to Jesus being crucified.... he expressed his belief in Christ and accepted Him as his Savior. Jesus then told the man, "Today you will be with me in paradise" Luke 23:43... He didn't go to confession, take the eucharist, etc.
@DonMiguel1810 paradise is not heaven, also they didn't add commas,periods,chapters,verses etc, in the bible ,until the 12th century, so Jesus could of said "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise"
again protestants fail to realize that there is temporal punishment for our sins, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN, every one gets purified.
@MysticalCity You say "Paradise is not heaven" - how do you know that?... Where in the world would Jesus have gone after he descended into the place of the dead and took power over death and hades??? Get real. It is rather simple, commas or not...(btw, type in "the Comma of Luke 23:43" and read about it) Either way, with your reasoning of "not knowing with the commas" The theif was there that day or soon to be just for repenting and accepting the Lord.
@DonMiguel1810 Jesus DID NOT DESCEND to hell, when someone is in hell, they are there forever. Jesus went to prison, AKA limbo as its called in The Catholic Church, AKA Abrahams Bosom, Ephesians 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? And second , that thief defended his Lord, and admitted his guilt, he did not say, "I accept" and stare at the ground.
@MysticalCity From a week ago.... You shouted at me with bolded letters, " Jesus DID NOT DESCEND to hell"...Brother, I said he descended into the place of the dead - which is sheol... It just goes to show you how much you pay attention to anyones post and how you continue to fight while knowing within that you might indeed be the one in error...
@DonMiguel1810 and i will say it again, Jesus did not descend to hell, he went to the place of the righteous dead, AKA LIMBO AKA ABRAHAM'S BOSOM. Not to hard to understand.
@DonMiguel1810 Study the history of the early Church - REAL history, not the lies put about by anti-Catholics - and you will see the early Church and the early saints were 100% Catholic and talked about the pope and the Eucharist and devotion to The Blessed Virgin Mary and everything else. We were the only Church for 1000 years, and the Protestants came along 500 years after that and changed things around. Why did they change what Christ taught? The RCC have kept the faith pure for 2000 years
@MysticalCity The origin of the RCC is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. Learn about the actual history of the Catholic church, not history according to itself...
@DonMiguel1810 learn the actual history of The Catholic Church, not anti-Catholic bigotry, Without The Catholic Church, you would probably be muslim, you wouldn't even know Jesus is God,you wouldn't even know about The Holy Trinity, and you wouldn't even have The Bible, please stop with this nonsense, The Catholic Church gave you The Bible, say what you want, The Catholic Church was started By The second person of The Holy Trinity.
@DonMiguel1810 lots of people repent, but they all go to purgatory,to go to purgatory you have die in a state of grace, if someone dies in a state of mortal sin, they go straight to hell, purgatory is not a second chance, the sins one didn't make up for in this lifetime, takes care of them in purgatory.
also Why do you Believe in The Holy Trinity, also that Jesus is God, also The New Testament canon, ALL CATHOLIC TEACHING, but reject the Eucharist,purgatory, The Virgin Mary, and the saints???
@MysticalCity Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins (Romans 5:8). Isaiah 53:5 declares, “But He was pierced for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed.” Jesus suffered our sins so that we could be delivered from suffering. To say we must also suffer for our sins is to say that Jesus’ suffering = insufficient. To say that we must atone for our sins in Perg. denies the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
@DonMiguel1810 St.Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master. Jesus did not eliminate the consequences of sin, death proves that, there is punishment for every sin we commit, Jesus said be perfect, NOT ACCEPT ME AND LOOK AT THE WALL, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.
@MysticalCity Why do I believe in "The Holy Trinity, also that Jesus is God, also The New Testament canon" but not " the Eucharist, purgatory, The Virgin Mary, and the saints".... SIMPLY this: Those that I believe in are biblical, those that are in the list I don't believe in are UNbiblical. btw, of course there are saints - we are the saints. And I have great respect for Mary, she was a God-fearing woman who did His will. So there, you asked a question, and I answered.
@DonMiguel1810 so you just admitted how ignorant you are of scripture, and told me you cherry pick what you want to believe in from The Catholic Church? EVERYTHING The Catholic Church teaches is biblical, what happens when you believe what you want? you get 30,000 different sects contradicting each other, if you are open minded, i can send you verses on everything, if you are interested, if not you are only hurting yourself, without The Catholic Church i would be in hell.
@Simple2easy I'll listen to the Catholic Church Second, the fact that the KJV has errors just bolsters my argument that you need an authority to tell you what translations are correct and what translations are erroneous. Since the Catholic Church wrote, translated, and handed down the Bible to us, I defer to her judgments on what translation is the best. Based on these historical facts, what gives you the authority to determine which translations are correct and which are not?
@Simple2easy Matt. 17:1-3 – deceased Moses and Elijah appear at the Transfiguration to converse with Jesus in the presence of Peter, James and John. Nothing in Scripture ever suggests that God abhors or cuts off communication between the living in heaven and the living on earth. To the contrary, God encourages communication within the communion of saints. Moses and Elijah’s appearance on earth also teach us that the saints in heaven have capabilities that far surpass our limitations on earth.
@Simple2easy 1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?
@Simple2easy 1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?
@Simple2easy the textus receptus is a corrupt text, first of all, king james was a sodomite politician, what authority does he have to order a bible? his wife obviously figured it out because she became Catholic!
also the corrupt kjv copied the NT of the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible!(THE MOST ACCURATE TRANSLATION)
did you know this martin luther? or are you avoiding it? compare Genesis 3:15 and St.Luke 1:28 with the DRV and the corrupt kjv to see.
@Simple2easy The prayers to my blessed Mother are working great, matter fact watch the video on my channel, a texas fire stopped right in front of a Virgin Mary Statue. coincidence? I THINK NOT! and you ignoramus God is the God of the living NOT DEAD, Moses and Elijah talked to Jesus? but wait, in your eyes there "dead? *fail*
so using your logic, if someone tells you to pray for him/her, you would tell that person NO, you have Jesus! as your mediator! Pray to him??? is this what you would say?
@Simple2easy Exodus 32:11-14, 30-34; 34:9; Num. 14:17-20; 21:7-9 - these are many examples of God's response to Moses' saintly intercession. Now do you realize what intercession is? are you going to tell me 15,000 saints from The Catholic Church were all possessed? performing miracles? The only verse protestants know is satan can make himself an angel of light, yes because when satan is an angel of light he is telling people to go pray, and repent right?(sarcasm)
@Simple2easy Exodus 32:11-14, 30-34; 34:9; Num. 14:17-20; 21:7-9 - these are many examples of God's response to Moses' saintly intercession. Now do you realize what intercession is? are you going to tell me 15,000 saints from The Catholic Church were all possessed? performing miracles? The only verse protestants know is satan can make himself an angel of light, yes because when satan is an angel of light he is telling people to go pray, and repent right?(sarcasm)
@Simple2easy dead people are more alive then you are, its called interceding you ignoramus, Jesus said he can call upon the assistance of 12 legions of angels, and we are suppose to imitate him, so that means i can pray to any saint i want to. Also 2 Cor. 9:14 - St.Paul says that the earthly saints pray for the Corinthians. They are subordinate mediators in Christ.Psalm 141:2 - King David asks that his prayer be counted as incense before God. The prayers of the saints have powerful effects.
@Simple2easy what? Saint Jerome translated The Bible into Latin after Pope Damasus commissioned him to, The OT was in Hebrew, NT was in Greek, The translation was known as The Latin Vulgate, and The Book of St.Matthew was written in Aramaic, please stop changing subjects, im beginning to think you have brain damage, don't forget to thank the Catholic Church for giving you The Bible.
@Simple2easy you do realize the corrupt king james bible copied The New Testament from The Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible right? Just a little history because i know your ignorant. Where were you when The Catholic Church was putting an end to the arian heresy? or agnosticism? would you even know about The Holy Trinity if it wasn't for The Catholic Church? would you know Jesus is God if it wasn't for The Catholic Church??? don't forget to thank us for giving you The Holy Bible.
@Simple2easy you send me a garbage message, and then block me?? how miserable are you man? i was only trying to help you out with the truth, i didn't know providing scripture was going to make you suicidal?anyway check your channel page for the truth.
@Simple2easy omgoodness, where do i start? is that all you protest-ants say Jesus' suffering was enough? if so read the bible, Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh and I complete what is lacking in Christ's affliction for the sake of his body, that is, the church" Jesus died to save us from hell, how was it a money making "scheme" if its in the Bible? St.Monica told her son, St.Augustine to pray for her when she died, in the 4th century.
And also to MysticalCity. Your last comment about HeidyfromNorway saying your opinion will send you to hell. Take a look at this verse.
Luke 6:37 : “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;" Do you not know what you are doing to yourself when you say such things? Why do you both speak with your carnal mind? You are clearly insulting each other. Where is the love of Christ in your hearts brothers and sisters!?!
@raeraerae3 is that the only verse you non-Catholics know? judge not be judged? nice cop out, i'm trying to help my brothers and sisters see the true faith, i don't want them going to hell for interpreting scripture based on their own opinion.
Private interpretation of scripture is forbidden by the bible itself (2 St. Peter 1:20).
Some people misinterpret scripture to their own condemnation (2 St. Peter 3:16).
To Mystical city. The bible is clear here as to how much God truly values his earthly mother. Of course he loved her but it was an equal love to what he has for us this verse proves it. To say she is higher is idolatry , MATTHEW 12: 48 He replied to him “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
@raeraerae3 how about when you respond, you put "reply" so i can see it in my inbox, don't be scared to debate, you can learn a thing or two, anyway you and all non-Catholics are ignorant of scripture, anyway to answer your question, Matt. 12:48; to argue that Jesus rebuked his Blessed Mother is to argue that Jesus violated the Torah, here, the 4th commandment. This argument is blasphemous because it essentially says that God committed sin by dishonoring His Mother.
@raeraerae3 Matt. 12:48; when Jesus asks, "Who are my mother, and sisters and brothers?," some Protestants argue that Jesus is rebuking Mary in order to denigrate her. To the contrary, when Jesus' comments are read in light of Luke 8:5-15 and the parable of the sower which Jesus taught right before His question, Jesus is actually implying that Mary has already received the word as the sower of good ground and is bearing fruit. Jesus is teaching that others must receive the word and obey it.
This isn't a debate. It's two protestants asking questions to a catholic and then jumping all over him when he tries to respond.
balcerhouse 2 weeks ago
@balcerhouse I agree! Dr. Walter Martin is a skilled debater and a great theologian but Ankerberg does this to Catholics and Young earth Creationist.
Onetruthrgv 2 weeks ago
@Onetruthrgv Ankerberg didn't give Fr. Mitch Pakwa a chance to talk.
cheesemonkey1990 1 week ago
@cheesemonkey1990 i know
Onetruthrgv 1 week ago
religeous losers
sonyplaystation321 4 weeks ago
Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches
By Jonathan Morris
(Fox News) The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the 3 major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being Sexually Abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.'
260 Protestant Incidents VS 9 in the Catholic Church!
But Prots are Jew friendly. US Kosher media is selective.
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
@StSimonMartyr What a shocker!
Kidding.
redeemerslove 1 month ago
I've been looking at some of the comments below. In my view Catholics & Protestants should engage in debate & critique each, yet above all else, while doing this, we must never stop loving each other. (Mark 21:31). If we can't even love our fellow Christians then what sort of image are we potraying to non-believers?
Anglican08 1 month ago
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"The Reformation was a devastation of England, which was at the time when this event took place,the Happiest country that the world had ever seen; Afterwards marched on devastating and inflicting torments on the people,Shedding their innocent blood; Abbeys,nunneries,hospitals & religious foundations were Confiscated by the Reformers and Jews,who brought to England the Misery of Pauperism "
-William Cobbett, Protestant Author-A History of the Protestant Reformation in England 1763-1834
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
BIBLE SAYS ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT... ALL MEANS ALL INCLUDING PROPHETS AND BABIES. BUT THIS IS FROM NEW TESTACLE , AND 1ST HALF IS FROM OLD TESTAMENT., A TRICK COS OLD ONE SAYS HE WHO SINS WILL PERISH, NEITHER DOES THE SON BEAR THE CRIMES OF THE FATHER AND VICE VERSA. SO THEY DIRECTLY IGNORE THIS , WEN QUOTING WHY SKIP 500YEARS TO NEW TEST TO COMPLETE WITH ALL HAVE SINNED WHY LIE. ITS TELLING U SIN IS NOT INHERITED, GOD ALSO SAYS I FORGIVE SINS ON MY OWN ACCORD.....
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
I didn't know you had to be smart to be a Christian. I thought people with down syndrome could go to heaven too. How am I going to explain this to a person that doesn't get it. (Sarcastic) I'm sure Jesus would just LOVE this debate. I bet he would watch this debate in pure joy!! Yeah right!! He would hate this debate and start throwing their tables over. Being saved is easier than we think. Thanks Jesus.
Alaskanbigmoose 1 month ago
YOU STUPID RETARDS WHO TOLD YOU THE BIBLE BOOKS ARE FROM GOD. YOU JUST CHOSE 73 BOOKS OUT OF THOUSANDS IN 325AD WEN YOU VOTED JESUS AS GOD IN NICEA COUNCIL IN 325AD. BIBLE SHIT FGROM GOD THEY COME OUT WITH SO MUCH CRAP. EVEN THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THEYRE FROM GOD NOT 1 BOOK SAYS SO LET ALONE ALL OF THEM.
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
BABIES ARE NOT BORN WITH SIN . NOR DO PROPHETS EVR SIN. THE BIBLE SAYS HE WHO SINS WILL PERISH. THE FATHER WONT BE PUNISHED FOR THE SONS CRIMES OR VICE VERSA. THIS IN THE BIBLE YOU IGNORE AND NEVER COMPLETE THIS VERSE EVR
mrlogicalman1 1 month ago
I'm a Catholic, born and raised. I respect the Protestant Church. In fact, I would even go to a Pentecostal Church for evening masses, and my Catholic Church for morning masses.
The rivalry between the two Churches makes me sick.
KTD82291 2 months ago
@KTD82291 The Pentecostal Church does not have Mass as the Catholic Church does. There's a difference. Please, as a fellow Catholic, please please please, don't miss represent our faith. It's the last thing we need.
KAJN94 2 months ago
@KAJN94
lol there's an obvious difference. There's no need to make an assumption of misrepresentation based on a common keyboard error.
KTD82291 2 months ago
@KTD82291 I wouldn't even consider Pentecostal church to be protestant.. :/
vicesquad08 1 month ago
@vicesquad08 They go by Scripture Alone! That is a Protestant doctrine. Geesh.
redeemerslove 1 month ago
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sonyplaystation321 4 weeks ago
@redeemerslove Im not religeous, but i know many(always trying 2 force it down my throat)so i know some things the bible says and it says idle or careless words show whats in your heart and that word "Geesh" is PURE AROGANCE, and SUPERIORITY in other words EVIL. God i hate religious hypocrites.
sonyplaystation321 3 weeks ago
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Catholic Douay R. contains all 73 books, including the 7 Deutero-Canonical books (erroneously called Apocrypha by Protestants). These 7 books were included in the 1611 KJV, but Not in later KJV Bibles.
1946 Dead-sea scrolls, prove 7 DC books were used by the Jews in Alexandria.
Palestinian Jews did Not accept the 7 DC books for their version of Scriptures nor New Testament. Protestants base their Bible on this version which comes from a people who did Not accept Christ as Messiah.
StSimonMartyr 3 weeks ago in playlist Catholic v Protestant Debate
@sonyplaystation321 Show me that in the Bible or Church Teaching. You are twisting in the wind.
redeemerslove 3 weeks ago
@redeemerslove didnt i say im not religious? dont try puting your religious bulshit on me , i can think 4 myself, i dont need other people 2 tell me what 2 think, or how 2 think,but i can still see you r a self righteous ass hole
sonyplaystation321 2 weeks ago
@redeemerslove ps,waste time replying if you want, but dont expect a reply from me anytime soon, ive got a LIFE!
sonyplaystation321 2 weeks ago
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This is almost comical.
pboisei 2 months ago
christian turds are always denying what is common knowledge , one says babies go to hell if not christian the other says no he has no sin , while bible says ALL HAVE SINNED , so pathetic
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 that means when we come to the age of really knowing between good and bad we all at one time have sinned
tigerlily190464 1 month ago
Protestantism is heretic.
john2000young 2 months ago
christians are the BEST child gay rapers ever. then they look in a MIRROR AND ERM FORGIVE THEMSELVES BY SAYING BLOODY MARU COUPLE OF TIMES . OR THEY GO TO THAT SECRET PRIEST SOCIETY SINCE 1275AD that discuss and share choir boy raping techniques, this group reckons IT THERE PAYMENT for services to the church . can you imagine this pervert group society of priests contentment. so send your kids in there care if you dare...........
sajakram1 2 months ago
@sajakram1 you are misinformed and clearly need to do some homework... or you are trolling
robsunderlin 2 months ago
@sajakram1 whaaaaaat?
vicesquad08 1 month ago
martin luther was a notorious drunkard and child molester
sajakram1 2 months ago
i john 5;7 the verse on the TRINITY begotten two places ascension mentioned proven as NOT the word of god , so why you retards still believin on something that was just scribbled on the original gospel by some guy why cant your religion stand without these proven FABRICATIONS
sajakram1 2 months ago
in my country the catholics & protestants in hardcore political areas they have all out riots with each other basically sectarianism
XxshughesxX 3 months ago
@whitehat777 Add me as a friend so that I can send you the message I wrote for you in response to your objections. God bless.
cburton103 3 months ago
@whitehat777 I'll send them to you by message, if that's alright with you. It's easier when there isn't such a strict character limit. I'll keep them concise though. And take as long as you need to think about each one. If you can't get back to me by tomorrow night it's no big deal. God bless.
cburton103 3 months ago
@whitehat777 Well I'm willing to discuss any of them, so if that's your choice let me know.
cburton103 3 months ago
@whitehat777 Wow, that's quite a mouthful. You've brought up quite a few topics. Which one of these would you like to discuss in greater depth?
cburton103 3 months ago
@whitehat777 Can you tell us what Traditions that Catholics follow contradict the Bible? God bless.
cburton103 3 months ago
@whitehat777 You want to be a Jew , okay, cut your penis and be done with it. But when you become Judaized, and no longer ruled by the Holy Spirit and the Liberty in Christ, you must be careful to obey the whole Law, not just the parts you agree with, If you don't you will begin to share with the Jews as the Curses for breaking the whole Law, when any one , even small part, of the Law has not been performed. If you do not believe Jesus rose from the dead and appears, then you are lost.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@whitehat777 Jesus Himself is the Law, and He Himself is your Salvation, It is a Living Law, for He Lives and Reigns in the Holy Spirit. It is you who are trying to make Jesus as if like Moses, Jesus came, gave the Law for us , died and we have only to Memorialize the Law, reading a book. That is false, The Trinity shows that Three Witnesses Enter the Testimony of the Meeting, And if God chooses, God comes down from Heaven in the Holy Spirit and appears as Jesus Christ among us.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
There is no Hierarchy of degrees of love and giving to God and to all the Commandments, The same quality Love you offer to God, you should be offering to the Enemy. There is not a division of the worship into worship, honor, love, respect, like, tolerate, etc. in a condescending many of less and less love one gives. When you love your enemies, you then are worshiping the Lord thy God. The enemy you can see, God you have never seen , and won't until you stop judging falsely.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The English would address the Magistrate of the Crown " I pray to thee, my Worship" speaking not to God, but to a Royal Attendant. Then the English would address a Judge as " I pray to thee your Honor" And so, then , when the English got around to hating all Catholics they drew this sword of their own invention , upon Catholics to say we honored Mary at the level of worship only due Christ. That is a lie of the Devil, and all those who so lie are going straight to hell !! 3=1
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The British invented this division of "Your Worship" for their Magistrates and " Your Honor" then they tried to lie and say the Bible so divides the degree of love and giving to God by this sort of fallacy. You worship God, but you "only" honor your parents ? LIES !!! There is no such translations of these two words of worship and honor in the Jewish Hebrew Bible, And so the British invented this and put it into their King James , because they were into Worships and Honors Talk.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The First Commandment to Love God and the Ninth to not bear false witness , is not then a condescension from the greater duty and highest giving of praise or worship to a lesser or minor offering of worship. IT is EQUAL, loving God and respecting a stranger in the land is of EQUAL DUTY AND WORSHIP to take care to do. Loving God and Honoring your parents is not a lesser Love or Giving, each must be done as if you are doing that directly to God. Mary is the Mother of God, I love her.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Jesus said to Peter and said to the Disciples the Risen Christ appeared to, they received the ongoing presence of Christ, breathed upon them as bodily , the persons of Christ on Earth that have power of the Law to bind or loosen, to forgive sins or retain them as not forgiven. That is the REAL POWER of the CHURCH. Not every man is chosen, but a few, and Liberty to the people means not an occasion to do evil crimes, but making statues and art and loving the saints and Mary is a FREEDOM
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
As long as Moses was alive, the Law was alive in Moses, what Moses said, one way or the other, went as given Law. When Moses died, the Jews Memorialized the Written Law of Moses as the Law. The Law given died and that ended that living authority. When the Messiah came, and comes again, He as the Living Word of God, speaks anew, by His Placebo, whatever He desires to speak as the Rule of His thumb, that is the Law. Jesus can speak Law , and alter the Law, as MESSIAH's DIVINITY
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The Church, then is a Place where Jesus Christ is yet appearing as God, in the Person of the Holy Spirit, giving Power of the Law to the Fathers, to abrogate, to bind or loosen, to forgive or not forgive, and to save by the Authority of the Church.This is proven by scripture in John 20:21-23 That Christ chooses the Disciples, they do not choose Him "Many are called, few are chosen" Is about those whom the Risen Christ appears to to take up the Earthly Ministry of the Church with all Power.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
For an example of how Jesus abrogates the Law, he said the Law of Moses said not to commit adultery with another man's wife, but then Jesus said , If you look with lust at a woman, you have already committed adultery with her in your heart" So in this ,Jesus is exceeding the Law to institute a higher Moral Certainty than the Jews have in the Torah, because for Christians Jesus opens and closes, tightens and loosens the Law by His own Mouth speaking the Word, Jesus is God. LIBERTY
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
So the Law of Moses exuded out of the Ten Commandments as a "Teaching of the Law" or "TORAH" And when Jesus came, having the same and even greater power of "TORAH" then Moses. for Moses divided his powers with Aaron, but Jesus held all Authority in Himself as One. What ever Jesus said, is God's Word. The Way the Church is abrogating the Law for the Gentiles, to permit many things the Jews cannot do, is because Jesus is Messiah , it is His ROLE to be the LAW AS HE SPEAKS IT.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Now Moses received two tablets of the Law written from the finger of God, That was place on the Ark, a Sign of the Rebirth up and out of the Womb, a Box, carried as a woman , no man shall touch her, but the Son who sits upon the Box ,or Ark, a Womb , shall bear up the Law, from Ten Commandments written in Stone inside the Box, He shall Interpret the birth of all Interpretations and what is borne of the Ten Commandments is how the Messiah gives the Law Orally to His own People.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
AS Jesus took up the Law in Himself, perfecting the Life of High Priest, the Levite who completes the Atonement, He ushers in the Acceptable Year of the Lord ,and the Jubilee, wherein, Now the LAW is in the person of Jesus, not in the Bible, and whatsoever Jesus Interprets and Abrogates and determines to UTTER out of HIS MOUTH, as the Law for the People, that shall be the Law for His People, while the Jews must obey the written Law of Moses, by the Tradition, for they are not FREE.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Catholics are Liberated from the Law, and can do almost anything in terms of their custom and manner of worship of God, as long as what they do is Morally Certain to please Jesus Christ, that the Gift of the Holy Spirit is given. Leviticus 25:10 refers to the Jubilee, where the standards of the Works of the Law is forsaken and Jews can do no works, but Gentiles are free as the wind and the waves and the Jews have to eat what comes naturally by the Nations, in "LIberty" the Law is Ended.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@whitehat777 In the Torah , God said the Jews were restricted from the Liberties of the Nations, which made idols and images, but in no way did God say God was then judging the Nations by their craft. It was only the idols used for Evil Inhumane things, that God opposed. And then Saint Paul said to Peter, that he lived with the Gentiles and the Gentile Customs, yet spoke of the need to obey the Law, as the false Hypocrisy that you also now spout out. Gentiles has not the Law.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@whitehat777 In the Temple of Solomon were the Angels and Saints as statues, While God gave a law to Jews not to make Idols or Images, God instructed the builders of the House of God to make Cherubim and Seraphim which are idols of men with wings and animals with human faces. The Gentile sons of Hiram built the Temple of Solomon, not the Jews, the idolaters of Lebanon, God received , with their idols and works to build up the House of God, the Jews never built the Temple
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@whitehat777 "Worship" is not Hebrew term for loving God or giving to God, in the Law of Moses, Only the English divided the idea of Love to " Worship, or Honor" So you worship God but honor your parents, The Bible was not written that way in the Hebrew . There is no rule of condescending values of Loving God , then loving your parents a little less, and your neighbors a bit less, then less for a stranger and least for an enemy. the same Love you give God you give a Stranger.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The difference is, Protestants believe Jesus "IS" God, but so do the devil and his demons who tremble in fear of the name. Catholics believe "IN" Jesus and obey doctrine because it is of Jesus that this doctrine comes. The Catholic Church has always had in place "checks and balances" that does not allow sin, however the Protestant tries to justify the unjustifiable, that sin is O.K. The evil pagan Church of Rome today teaches or excepts these principles.defender37is@hotmail.com email me for help
Catholic710 3 months ago
blablabla.....geeks discussing made-up bullshit.
okarab 3 months ago
Ephesians 2:8-9 Gace is very active & it must work very much in man to cause the effect. But what kind of effect? What does grace have to produce in man? Well it is saying, "So that no man may boast of the works that are not of grace. For without grace there are no works." Works without grace is not works at all. It is through grace that works are produced. For example, the angel Gabriel knew this very well, & said to Mary, "Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you," since Grace mediates works.
Coredeemer 3 months ago
Technically the Catholic Faith is the Truth, and the Protestant view is a confusion about Jewish Customs as works, which are not required since Jesus already fulfilled those works, and the real discussion is what each Church requires proselytes to accomplish in the process of being permanent members of the Church, and how the Church is to assure believers they are on the right path to the Wedding Ceremony, when the Confirmation if made and one is actually forever married to God.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The Book of Romans only shows that the Jewish Customs are not required, particularly Circumcision, but it does not say there will not be challenges or requirement of engagements at various levels required to proceed from an engagement to be married to the wedding day, which is all principled on attitude and getting to know Jesus and the Life of a Saint. So the works required of the Discipleship and joining the Church and working with their Ministry is not works of the Law, but Offerings
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
In Romans 11:22 shows that believing in Jesus offers a time in which God shows kindness, but one can be cut off, such that time is only probationary, but at what time then does the believer become affixed or sealed as saved, such that they are not possibly to be cut off, seeming that a probationary time has gone by and the Wedding is then consummated. It appears that God in each case must act to advise the believer if the salvation is then sealed and complete, by the giving of the Holy Spirit
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Putting aside the legal works of the Law, now the issue is what requirements are held as a priori by the Churches. What works must be done by the believer to join the congregation, and what is the order of the fellowship as the Church is daily organized to run it's ministry. How does a proselyte come to a proof that God has accepted the betrothal and when is the marriage vows made and how does God signal or testify that as the person prays to join the Lord, does the Lord accept him ?
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Since both the Lutherans and the Catholics did not require Circumcision, or other Jewish Customs, they had to agree basically that the Faith was not a product of observing the Jewish Custom of works that sealed the admission of a proselyte to the Synagogue. The Justification arises out of the substituting works of Jesus , who did fulfill the Law of Moses, with regards to all demands of the Jewish Law. is then assignable to all who then enjoin their souls to Jesus, receiving merit for that.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Romans 3:28 has as the basic context a debate about whether Christians had to observe the Jewish Law, beginning with Circumcision and keeping the Shabbat observing Holy Days. So the real argument is not about repentance and baptism, but about becoming a Jew. Romans 4:11 is about Abraham being already justified before he was required to be circumcised, to show that the circumcision was not the matter that made a man right with God, So the entire matter is about the Jewish Customs
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
The whole show is so biased against Fr. Pacwa.
cuantumk 3 months ago
@cuantumk Haha that's why it's so awesome that he still manages to stay calm and make great points. And he's still spreading the Good News on EWTN all the time...
cburton103 3 months ago
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30,000 protestant churches? The gates of hell shall never prevail against the Catholic Church. Peter 3, 15 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, 16 speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. End of quote. 30,000 and counting? :)
damianfonseca 3 months ago
This show is really corny
TheOldBeef 4 months ago
Father Pacwa is on EWTN! Wow....to see the change, but the passion is still there is reassuring. :)
SthrnMusicFan 4 months ago
This is making God sad or even angry. it wouldn't surprise me if he sent Luther down from heaven to join the conversation.
M3town3 5 months ago
@M3town3 Please consider the words of our Lord Jesus Christ before you declare someone to be in heaven!
Deus tecum.
Herdewelle 3 weeks ago
This is like the argument of whether Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy is more legitimate. Bunch of nonsense! This is bull crap that the people in Northern Ireland are killing each other over.
FattyWalsh 5 months ago
@FattyWalsh I agree that people in Ireland are way out of hand, but it's hardly out of religious conviction. Most Catholics in Ireland don't really even practice their faith (I'm not sure about the state of Protestantism there). The greatest mass murderers in history have been atheists though, so maybe more people should become Christian. But thanks for the random, unsubstantiated insult to Christianity!
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy My pleasure, I'm glad to see it helped! God bless.
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy My pleasure. Honestly, I understand why many people object to this title. On first glance, it can easily be taken the wrong way - such as saying God the Father owes his existence to Mary in some way.
The reason why the title is Mother of God and not Mother of Jesus (although this is correct too) speaks to the identity of Jesus. This title arose in response the the Nestorian heresy, which said that Jesus is not God. It exists to affirm Jesus's divine nature. Does this make sense?
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy the bible doesnt forbid of using such words.
jOoMLa24 5 months ago
@Simple2easy Friend, I've said multiple times that calling Mary the Mother of God does not mean that she is the mother of God the Father. She did not exist before God the Father, nor does God the Father owe his existence to her in any way. The opposite is true - Mary completely owes her existence and salvation to God.
But the fact that remains that Jesus is God, and Mary is the mother of Jesus. In this way, Mary gave birth to God in the flesh (Jesus). Jesus took his flesh from his mother, Mary.
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy The Blessed Virgin Mary said God my savior, NOT JESUS, Because God saved her from original sin. SHE DID NOT NEED THE SACRIFICE OF HER SON, ALL in the original greek meant "a lot" but you avoid my comments, 'Hide the Bible"? you mean The Catholic Church gave you The Bible? where were you during the arian heresy? when The CC was fighting? or the agnosticism? exactly get off wikipedia with your garbage resources.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
about rhe prayer "Holy mary mother of God" it speaks of mary being the mother of christ because we catholics believe that jesus christ is God. Also, we dont worship mary as we believe only To God the father and his son Jesus christ. So please stop saying things that you dont know.
jOoMLa24 5 months ago
about rhe prayer "Holy mary mother of God" it speaks of mary being the mother of christ because we catholics believe that jesus christ is God. Also, we dont worship mary as we believe only To God the father and his son Jesus christ. So please stop saying things that you dont know.
jOoMLa24 5 months ago
@Simple2easy it shows how unintelligent you are that you don't know that he was the first pope
oliibabie 5 months ago
@Simple2easy if you believe in the holy trinity? you would call mary the mother of god ? and how many messages is their from mary saying to pray the rosay and that prayer says "holy mary mother of god pray for us sinners " so DARLING YOU GO ASK GOD ? and see what kind of messages you will get from our heavenly father
oliibabie 5 months ago
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@Simple2easy "how stupid can one be" we just found out, its embarrassing even talking about it, Jesus is the word of God made flesh, how in the world can he be The Ark? So Jesus carried himself? "all have sinned" o using your logic Jesus has sinned also, cool story bro, The Catholic Church is The Foundation NOT THE BIBLE, (1 Tim 3:15)
Some people misinterpret scripture to their own condemnation (2 St. Peter 3:16)
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy 1, everything is your opinion, 2 you have no foundation, 3 anyone who self interprets scripture is the first born of hell(a church father said this) 4, i already gave you proof, and you obviously ignored it,5 you saying all having fallen short of glory, is the equivalent of my saying, then also Jesus fell.
you logic is garbage, how can Jesus be perfect if his Mother is not? are you stupid enough to believe that God in the flesh would be born of a sinner???????????????????
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Jesus could be perfect even if his mother was not. As Catholics, we believe that it was fitting for Mary to be sinless, but not absolutely necessary. In God's perfect judgment, however, he decided to make her sinless.
cburton103 5 months ago
@cburton103 Jesus can not be perfect if his Mother is not, can a bad tree bear bring forth good fruit?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity catholic.com/quickquestions/i-dont-see-why-mary-had-to-be-sinless-to-pass-on-a-sinless-human-nature-to-christ
cburton103 5 months ago
@cburton103 2 Sam. 6:7 - The Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. The Blessed Virgin Mary The Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity You know that I agree with you that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and that she is entirely undefiled by sin. She was only undefiled because God saw it fitting, not because it was strictly necessary. If it was necessary for Mary to be sinless in order to endow Jesus with his human nature, than why didn't St. Anne (Mary's mother) have to be sinless to, and St. Anne's mother, etc.? Also, why can a person who has a venial sin on their soul receive communion if this is necessary?
cburton103 5 months ago
@cburton103 St.Anne was a very Holy Women, Thats why God chose her, also her husband, God formed The Blessed Virgin Mary in St.Anne womb, St.Anne and her husband St.Joachim did not have relations, They were both virgins, along with St.Joseph, St.John The baptist, all the people who affiliated with Jesus had to be the closest to thing to being perfect. Venial sin and mortal are 2 different things, 1 mortal sin sends someone to hell. Venial, you just get smacked silly for it in purgatory.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Thanks, I'm very aware of the difference between venial and mortal sin. Are you Catholic? If so, where are you getting all of this information from?
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy There is no intention in the title "Mother of God" to make Mary higher than God. If there were, it would be wrong to call her this. As you say, Mary is not the mother of God the Father. As I said in my first post to you, all this title means is that Mary endowed Jesus (the second person of the holy Trinity) with his human nature. As such, she is the mother of God, because her son is God. If you don't disagree that Jesus is God, then I'm not sure your point is logical. God bless
cburton103 5 months ago
@cburton103 The Blessed Virgin Mary is The Daughter of God The Father, The Mother of God The Son, and The Spouse of God The Holy Ghost. PERIOD. anyone Who disrespects My Blessed Mother, LET THEM BE ANATHEMA.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@cburton103 i meant to respond to simple2easy, but i clicked on your name instead, my fault.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy I don't follow your point. Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Jesus is God, right? It seems to be basic logic, so please address this if you still disagree. Was Jesus not fully man and fully divine when Mary gave birth to him? That's all that this name of Mary implies - that Jesus is God, and she gave birth to Jesus. Like I said, this does not mean Mary existed before God did, just that she gave birth to the man-God, Jesus.
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy It seems as though there is a misunderstanding here.
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.
This term was applied to Mary to protect the true nature of the divinity of Jesus. It means that Mary gave birth to the second person of the Trinity, not that she existed before God. Are you fine with the belief stated this way?
cburton103 5 months ago
@Simple2easy you can't take away the nature of Christ, plus read some history please, you think you know more then 1500 years of The Church that God started??? "And the Angel on his appearance, himself confesses that he has been sent by his Lord; as Gabriel confessed in the case of Zacharias, and also in the case of Mary, bearer of God." Athanasius, Orations III, 14(A.D. 362).
"He reshaped man to perfection in Himself, from Mary the Mother of God through the Holy Spirit." Epiphanius A.D. 374.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy St.Luke 1:43 - Elizabeth's use of "Mother of my Lord" (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used "Adonai" which means Lord God) is the equivalent of "Holy Mary, Mother of God" which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus' Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus' human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy why do we need Jesus? because if God himself did not come down and die for us, no one would enter heaven, you clearly did not read my comments, i already warned you, saying The Blessed Virgin Mary is a sinner, is calling God a sinner, and therefore, you going straight to hell, honestly. DO NOT DISRESPECT THE MOTHER OF THE JUDGE,
MysticalCity 5 months ago
continued-- nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin” (Wis 1:4; 1Cor 1:24).
Thus, Scripture says of The Blessed Virgin Mary, “You are all fair, my love; there is no flaw in you” (Sg
4:7). Job says, “Who can bring a clean
thing out of an unclean? There is not one” (Job 14:4).
If Mary was not perfect then Jesus is not perfect, can a bad tree bring forth good fruit???
to call The Mother of God a sinner is a nonstop trip to hell.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy Third, because Scripture says that Christ who is “wisdom
will not enter a deceitful soul, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin” (Wis 1:4; 1Cor 1:24).
Thus, Scripture says of Mary, “You are all fair, my love; there is no flaw in you” (Sg
4:7)., Job says, “Who can bring a clean
thing out of an unclean? There is not one” (Job 14:4).
to say Mary was a sinner, then you are calling God a sinner, protestants need to shut up when it comes to The Blessed Virgin Mary. And Honor Her.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy First, because the honor of the parents reflects onto
the child (Prov 17:6), and if Mary was a sinner, she would have reflected this shame onto
Jesus. Second, because Christ who is the Light can have no association with darkness, for
Scripture reveals, “Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ
with Belial?” (2Cor 6:14-15). Third, because Scripture says that Christ who is “wisdom
will not enter a deceitful soul- continued
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy what you fail to realize is that The Catholic Church chose the books, which then came to be known as The Bible, Pope Damasus commissioned St.Jerome to translate it to Latin, even luther believed this, and he even thanked The Catholic Church for giving people the Bible,
Both Scripture and reason teach us that The Blessed Virgin Mary would not have been worthy to be the
Mother of God if she had ever sinned. - continued
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy Rom 3:23: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..."
The problem with this is that the word 'ALL' here is the Greek word, 'PAS', which can have different meanings to the absolute that we immediately think of - as shown in other verses of Holy Scripture.
St.Luke 2:1 "And an order went out from caesar Augustus that ALL the world should be counted."
Was everyone in the whole world counted?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
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@Simple2easy this is what is wrong with the protestant heresy, its all opinions of people holding the bible, you have no foundation, why don't you read what The Church Fathers taught? protestants follow the satanic nutcase luther from the 16th century, but can't go back and look at history?
St. Cyril of Alexandria:
"It would be preferable to suffer all the possible torments of Earth until the Judgment Day than to pass one day in Purgatory."
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Rom 15:14, "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with ALL knowledge..." The only person filled with 'ALL' knowledge is God Himself.
Rom 11:26, "ALL Israel shall be saved." Will everyone in Israel truly be saved?
The Greek word 'PAS' in many verses in Scripture simply means a 'great number', 'most of', or 'a lot'. So its appearance in the quoted passage can in no way be used as an objection to the sinlessness of The Blessed Virgin Mary.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy o so now your twisting scripture to your destruction? in this life? did you know purgatory can last anywhere from minutes to centuries? less then 1% of the earths population die in a state of perfection, read St.Matthew 12:36, also that verse(Hebrews 10:26) is talking everyone, if someone (like you) receives the knowledge of The Catholic Faith and still continues to ignore it? then may God Have mercy on you on judgement day, because saying The Virgin Mary was a sinner is hellfire.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy wow, the kjv writers copied from The Douay-Rheims New Testament, this is a fact, you denying this will not help.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy St.Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master. Jesus did not eliminate the consequences of sin, death proves that, there is punishment for every sin we commit, Jesus said be perfect, NOT ACCEPT ME AND LOOK AT THE WALL, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy what?!!! St.Peter was the prince of the apostles, he escaped from Jerusalem, founded his See in Antioch, after traveling to Judea, Samaria, Galilee,Asia Minor, he finally fixed his See at Rome. He was crucified upside down on Vatican Hill,Rome 67A.D. "Peter...at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer this way." Origen, Third Commentary on Genesis, (A.D. 232).
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy St.Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:38 - there is nothing in these passages or anywhere else about just accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior in order to be saved. James 4:17 - in fact, James writes that the failure to do works is a sin! So works are absolutely necessary for our justification.
St.Matt. 6:12 - forgive us our sins, not by how much faith we have, but as we forgive those who trespass against us.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
I believe the first time we see the word CATHOLIC in print..................108ad
By a student of the Apostle John.
nvrggivup 5 months ago
@nvrggivup correct, it was sometime between 100-110AD " Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@nvrggivup The oldest script we have is St.Ignatius' epistle, calling The Church Catholic, however when scholars found the writing, they said that the word was in use earlier, it was just that many of the church fathers writings were destroyed, so for all we know, St.Paul and St.Peter(1st Pope) and St.John could of used that word.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy i got verses on purgatory but first i want to ask you a question, so your saying if some lady was a stripper for 20 years, gets into a car accident and before she dies she asked Jesus to forgive her, she would go straight to Heaven??? or Mother Teresa who suffered all her life, would get the same reward as that lady???
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34)... read the Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard. It does not matter that Mother Teresa worked harder than the "stripper" and for longer... they both can recieve God's mercy and be wiped clean.
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 you fail to realize when we die we get judged on our works, to say that they will receive the same reward is just nonsense, St.Matt. 7:19-23 - just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works.
St.Matt. 19:16-22 - Jesus teaches the man to sell all he has and give it to the poor. It is not just about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We also need good works by keeping Jesus' commandments.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity "just saying "Lord, Lord" and accepting Jesus as personal Savior is not enough. We must also bear the fruit of good works." - When we say Lord, Lord, and accept Him, we CHANGE (if it is a sincere, true conversion) and are a new creation. If we are a new creation, good works will flow from us anyway. Catholics have that little bit twisted. Also, Jesus was testing the young rich man, who failed the test.It had nothing to do with works. You seem knowledgeable, I'm surprised at you...
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Also, it is clear that in the Bible there was a theif (or whatever you want to call him) next to Jesus being crucified.... he expressed his belief in Christ and accepted Him as his Savior. Jesus then told the man, "Today you will be with me in paradise" Luke 23:43... He didn't go to confession, take the eucharist, etc.
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 paradise is not heaven, also they didn't add commas,periods,chapters,verses etc, in the bible ,until the 12th century, so Jesus could of said "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise"
again protestants fail to realize that there is temporal punishment for our sins, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN, every one gets purified.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity You say "Paradise is not heaven" - how do you know that?... Where in the world would Jesus have gone after he descended into the place of the dead and took power over death and hades??? Get real. It is rather simple, commas or not...(btw, type in "the Comma of Luke 23:43" and read about it) Either way, with your reasoning of "not knowing with the commas" The theif was there that day or soon to be just for repenting and accepting the Lord.
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 Jesus DID NOT DESCEND to hell, when someone is in hell, they are there forever. Jesus went to prison, AKA limbo as its called in The Catholic Church, AKA Abrahams Bosom, Ephesians 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? And second , that thief defended his Lord, and admitted his guilt, he did not say, "I accept" and stare at the ground.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity From a week ago.... You shouted at me with bolded letters, " Jesus DID NOT DESCEND to hell"...Brother, I said he descended into the place of the dead - which is sheol... It just goes to show you how much you pay attention to anyones post and how you continue to fight while knowing within that you might indeed be the one in error...
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 and i will say it again, Jesus did not descend to hell, he went to the place of the righteous dead, AKA LIMBO AKA ABRAHAM'S BOSOM. Not to hard to understand.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 Study the history of the early Church - REAL history, not the lies put about by anti-Catholics - and you will see the early Church and the early saints were 100% Catholic and talked about the pope and the Eucharist and devotion to The Blessed Virgin Mary and everything else. We were the only Church for 1000 years, and the Protestants came along 500 years after that and changed things around. Why did they change what Christ taught? The RCC have kept the faith pure for 2000 years
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity The origin of the RCC is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. Learn about the actual history of the Catholic church, not history according to itself...
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 learn the actual history of The Catholic Church, not anti-Catholic bigotry, Without The Catholic Church, you would probably be muslim, you wouldn't even know Jesus is God,you wouldn't even know about The Holy Trinity, and you wouldn't even have The Bible, please stop with this nonsense, The Catholic Church gave you The Bible, say what you want, The Catholic Church was started By The second person of The Holy Trinity.
MysticalCity 5 months ago 2
@DonMiguel1810 Friend, can you give an example of how the Church paganized Christianity? God bless.
cburton103 5 months ago
@MysticalCity I forgot to mention the thief repented, which is HUGE.
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 lots of people repent, but they all go to purgatory,to go to purgatory you have die in a state of grace, if someone dies in a state of mortal sin, they go straight to hell, purgatory is not a second chance, the sins one didn't make up for in this lifetime, takes care of them in purgatory.
also Why do you Believe in The Holy Trinity, also that Jesus is God, also The New Testament canon, ALL CATHOLIC TEACHING, but reject the Eucharist,purgatory, The Virgin Mary, and the saints???
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins (Romans 5:8). Isaiah 53:5 declares, “But He was pierced for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed.” Jesus suffered our sins so that we could be delivered from suffering. To say we must also suffer for our sins is to say that Jesus’ suffering = insufficient. To say that we must atone for our sins in Perg. denies the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
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@DonMiguel1810 St.Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master. Jesus did not eliminate the consequences of sin, death proves that, there is punishment for every sin we commit, Jesus said be perfect, NOT ACCEPT ME AND LOOK AT THE WALL, NOTHING UNCLEAN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@MysticalCity Why do I believe in "The Holy Trinity, also that Jesus is God, also The New Testament canon" but not " the Eucharist, purgatory, The Virgin Mary, and the saints".... SIMPLY this: Those that I believe in are biblical, those that are in the list I don't believe in are UNbiblical. btw, of course there are saints - we are the saints. And I have great respect for Mary, she was a God-fearing woman who did His will. So there, you asked a question, and I answered.
DonMiguel1810 5 months ago
@DonMiguel1810 so you just admitted how ignorant you are of scripture, and told me you cherry pick what you want to believe in from The Catholic Church? EVERYTHING The Catholic Church teaches is biblical, what happens when you believe what you want? you get 30,000 different sects contradicting each other, if you are open minded, i can send you verses on everything, if you are interested, if not you are only hurting yourself, without The Catholic Church i would be in hell.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy I'll listen to the Catholic Church Second, the fact that the KJV has errors just bolsters my argument that you need an authority to tell you what translations are correct and what translations are erroneous. Since the Catholic Church wrote, translated, and handed down the Bible to us, I defer to her judgments on what translation is the best. Based on these historical facts, what gives you the authority to determine which translations are correct and which are not?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy U Mad Bro?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy Matt. 17:1-3 – deceased Moses and Elijah appear at the Transfiguration to converse with Jesus in the presence of Peter, James and John. Nothing in Scripture ever suggests that God abhors or cuts off communication between the living in heaven and the living on earth. To the contrary, God encourages communication within the communion of saints. Moses and Elijah’s appearance on earth also teach us that the saints in heaven have capabilities that far surpass our limitations on earth.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy 1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy 1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy the textus receptus is a corrupt text, first of all, king james was a sodomite politician, what authority does he have to order a bible? his wife obviously figured it out because she became Catholic!
also the corrupt kjv copied the NT of the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible!(THE MOST ACCURATE TRANSLATION)
did you know this martin luther? or are you avoiding it? compare Genesis 3:15 and St.Luke 1:28 with the DRV and the corrupt kjv to see.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy The prayers to my blessed Mother are working great, matter fact watch the video on my channel, a texas fire stopped right in front of a Virgin Mary Statue. coincidence? I THINK NOT! and you ignoramus God is the God of the living NOT DEAD, Moses and Elijah talked to Jesus? but wait, in your eyes there "dead? *fail*
so using your logic, if someone tells you to pray for him/her, you would tell that person NO, you have Jesus! as your mediator! Pray to him??? is this what you would say?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
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@Simple2easy Exodus 32:11-14, 30-34; 34:9; Num. 14:17-20; 21:7-9 - these are many examples of God's response to Moses' saintly intercession. Now do you realize what intercession is? are you going to tell me 15,000 saints from The Catholic Church were all possessed? performing miracles? The only verse protestants know is satan can make himself an angel of light, yes because when satan is an angel of light he is telling people to go pray, and repent right?(sarcasm)
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy Exodus 32:11-14, 30-34; 34:9; Num. 14:17-20; 21:7-9 - these are many examples of God's response to Moses' saintly intercession. Now do you realize what intercession is? are you going to tell me 15,000 saints from The Catholic Church were all possessed? performing miracles? The only verse protestants know is satan can make himself an angel of light, yes because when satan is an angel of light he is telling people to go pray, and repent right?(sarcasm)
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy dead people are more alive then you are, its called interceding you ignoramus, Jesus said he can call upon the assistance of 12 legions of angels, and we are suppose to imitate him, so that means i can pray to any saint i want to. Also 2 Cor. 9:14 - St.Paul says that the earthly saints pray for the Corinthians. They are subordinate mediators in Christ.Psalm 141:2 - King David asks that his prayer be counted as incense before God. The prayers of the saints have powerful effects.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy what? Saint Jerome translated The Bible into Latin after Pope Damasus commissioned him to, The OT was in Hebrew, NT was in Greek, The translation was known as The Latin Vulgate, and The Book of St.Matthew was written in Aramaic, please stop changing subjects, im beginning to think you have brain damage, don't forget to thank the Catholic Church for giving you The Bible.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy you do realize the corrupt king james bible copied The New Testament from The Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible right? Just a little history because i know your ignorant. Where were you when The Catholic Church was putting an end to the arian heresy? or agnosticism? would you even know about The Holy Trinity if it wasn't for The Catholic Church? would you know Jesus is God if it wasn't for The Catholic Church??? don't forget to thank us for giving you The Holy Bible.
MysticalCity 5 months ago 4
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@Simple2easy you send me a garbage message, and then block me?? how miserable are you man? i was only trying to help you out with the truth, i didn't know providing scripture was going to make you suicidal?anyway check your channel page for the truth.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
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MysticalCity 5 months ago
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MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy can you please remove your friend block, so i can send you messages?
MysticalCity 5 months ago
@Simple2easy omgoodness, where do i start? is that all you protest-ants say Jesus' suffering was enough? if so read the bible, Colossians 1:24 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh and I complete what is lacking in Christ's affliction for the sake of his body, that is, the church" Jesus died to save us from hell, how was it a money making "scheme" if its in the Bible? St.Monica told her son, St.Augustine to pray for her when she died, in the 4th century.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
And also to MysticalCity. Your last comment about HeidyfromNorway saying your opinion will send you to hell. Take a look at this verse.
Luke 6:37 : “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;" Do you not know what you are doing to yourself when you say such things? Why do you both speak with your carnal mind? You are clearly insulting each other. Where is the love of Christ in your hearts brothers and sisters!?!
raeraerae3 6 months ago
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@raeraerae3 is that the only verse you non-Catholics know? judge not be judged? nice cop out, i'm trying to help my brothers and sisters see the true faith, i don't want them going to hell for interpreting scripture based on their own opinion.
Private interpretation of scripture is forbidden by the bible itself (2 St. Peter 1:20).
Some people misinterpret scripture to their own condemnation (2 St. Peter 3:16).
MysticalCity 6 months ago
To Mystical city. The bible is clear here as to how much God truly values his earthly mother. Of course he loved her but it was an equal love to what he has for us this verse proves it. To say she is higher is idolatry , MATTHEW 12: 48 He replied to him “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
raeraerae3 6 months ago
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@raeraerae3 how about when you respond, you put "reply" so i can see it in my inbox, don't be scared to debate, you can learn a thing or two, anyway you and all non-Catholics are ignorant of scripture, anyway to answer your question, Matt. 12:48; to argue that Jesus rebuked his Blessed Mother is to argue that Jesus violated the Torah, here, the 4th commandment. This argument is blasphemous because it essentially says that God committed sin by dishonoring His Mother.
MysticalCity 6 months ago 2
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@raeraerae3 Matt. 12:48; when Jesus asks, "Who are my mother, and sisters and brothers?," some Protestants argue that Jesus is rebuking Mary in order to denigrate her. To the contrary, when Jesus' comments are read in light of Luke 8:5-15 and the parable of the sower which Jesus taught right before His question, Jesus is actually implying that Mary has already received the word as the sower of good ground and is bearing fruit. Jesus is teaching that others must receive the word and obey it.
MysticalCity 6 months ago