@marco116d non direi proprio che la benetton era migliore della Mclaren, la benetton nel periodo 1992-1993-1994-1995 era la vettura migliore assieme alla williams, nel 1992, 1993 ha dovuto accodarsi per via delle sospensioni attive usate dal team inglese, ma una volta bandite nel 1994, non è stata più frenata
@ricbonoto and now you probably want to tell me that Ford engine was 90hp weaker than the ones his opponents had..... :-)) seriously: I don't doubt Ayrton's driving talent, but if it had been the other way round - with Mika in the faster McLaren and with Aryton in the slower Lotus - the pass would have taken place anyway.
Good to see how the drivers were gentleman-like in leaving enough space. Here Häkkinen gave the best possible show without having his face slapped like Eddie Irvine.
@mutao29 todos vão dar um joinha, meu caro, o Senna foi o melhor de todos e vai ser sempre, ele é melhor que todos e o Schumacher tem mais campeonatos porque no começo da carreira usava recursos proibidos e não tinha ninguém a altura, já o Senna, teve como rivais Nelson Piquet, Prost, Mansel, Damon Hill e muitos outros espetaculares, agora se ele ainda fosse vivo teria que ter um coração de ferro para não sofrer infarto vendo o rubinho e o massa abraço
Here you see, Hakkinen was same fast like Senna, without experience and with not a very fast car. He was brave. In the straight it was a different game...
@slicktires2011 The same was true of Gerhard Berger. But Senna immediately outran Berger in the race...which is the same thing that happened at Estoril in 1993.
schumacher's car the benetton in 1994 that won the world championship had illegal traction control........senna complained about this in his last season
@telephonic I ask something: Senna knew there was illegal control in Benetton. Senna told it to the team. Why did Williams nothing? Maybe I know the answer: Williams had some illegal aids too (which probably caused the death of Senna), and if they had complained about Benetton, they would have been penalised too. Just think about it.... It makes Schumi's final victory in 1994 much more clean. But these are obviously just assumptions.
@racemise Senna knew that B194 was illegal because he was the best driver ever and could see a lot of things. Williams did refused to go to FIA for political reason. In the same way, but here, in another professional plan, Senna was also very aware of his buisness and knew before Williams that Benetton was going to have the Renault and was disappointed by the weak political power of Williams. And no illegal stuff caused the accident of Senna anyone who knows F1 would tell you steering column
@racemise There is no doubt that this is the steering column. It was obvious for many people just days after (I remember Alesi) and the evidences are here :the telemetry showed that there was no steering movement.Senna had to jump on the clutch & the throttle after his amazing braking (Patrick Head said perfect braking) in order to try to change the angle of impact.Moreover the steering wheel was moving abnormally before accident. The only reason it was not official is cause of consequences
@GTAGIS Sorry, I got you wrong, I know it is the steering column, what I said actually is that it had been the steering column with some kind of illegal (no aid but) set up. But that's what noone will ever know...
@racemise Ok, I understand what you mean. Well, to my knowledge, the only thing that was special on this column was the fact that the modifications to shorten the length were not reliable, the diameter wasn't appropriate. Prost himself said that if he stayed another year (he had a 2 years contract) he would have asked for changes in the direction to be more comfortable. The change was done prior to Imola to my knowledge but I don't know how it was done on the others FW-16 chassis produced
@23deniro23 : Idiot, slowly but steady all this "shoemaker-hater" are really kids. Are you 12 years old? Have you saw Senna in Formula 3? He was ridicolous too, but nevertheless a genius driver. Please let this kidding with this is a cheater and the other is god or anything such bullshitt
What's so special about overtaking a 690hp-Lotus-Ford with a 780hp-McLaren-Honda? Even without Hakkinen's slipstream, Senna probably was more than 10kph faster on the Kemmel straight. This isn't "overtaking", this ist just "passing by".
@vellotrol Yes, I have - you too? 90hp make over 12 kph difference in topspeed (comparable aerodynamics presumed). The Kemmel straight is 1100 meters long, which means the extrapower (at approx. 300 vs 312 kph) gives Senna an advantadge of over 40(!) meters. The only thing you need to have the balls for is to follow the man in front of you through Eau Rouge with less than 30 meters distance (or less than 0,4 seconds). Which I presume is an easy thing for a professional (with a better car!).
@TheColinChapman Isn't it all you said comes to what I said before? Skills and balls? If you said you raced before you must agree with me all these fancy numbers are blow to space if you don't have the skills and sometimes balls to take chances. If you know Senna's career he didn't always have the best car but he was very skilled and ballsy. Anyway I appreciate your reply, if you still race have fun and be safe out there.
@vellotrol of course Senna didn't always have the best car in the field (at least in 1991 he became World Champion even though Mansell and Patrese had better cars), but I hope you don't want to state that Häkkinen's Lotus was better than Senna's McLaren. I still do enjoy Go-Kart-Racing - I hope you are also having fun on the race track. hit it! :-)
@TheColinChapman The FW14 in '91, as opposed to the FW14B of '92, was woefully unreliable for a fair chunk of the '91 season. Those who maintain that the MP4/6 and the MP4/8 were off the ultimate pace are deluded. The '93 McLaren Ford was probably the most refined iteration of the gizmo'd F1 machine.
The '94 Williams was also a lot more competitive than many think. It may have been a little difficult to use under certain conditions but had more ultimate pace than the B194 Benetton.
@stevibhoy1 you're right in stating that the McLaren MP4/6 was better than many (especially Ayrton Senna) stated. Indeed, the Williams FW14 was unreliable during the first half of the 1991 season, which made Ayrton win the first 4 races. But I still tend to think that it was mostly the driver who made the difference. Think yourself 21 years back, put Ayrton in an FW14 and Patrese and Mansell in an MP 4/6- who do you think would have become Champion? I think Ayrton would have made it either way.
@TheColinChapman My point is that the FW 14, along with Newey's other early '90s concepts, was not necessarily as easy a drive as many think, only properly effective when run in conjunction with the reactive ride as in '92/'93.
The '91 car had, like the '94 machine, ultimately more downforce than it's competitors but had a very narrow window of optimisation.
To illustrate, his '90 March didn't qualify in Mexico over the bumps, yet finished on the podium in the next race at a smooth Ricard.
I'd even go as far as to state that the '94 car, conceptually a direct descendant of the '91 Williams, was compromised by the shift to passive suspension.
The quickest machine on the grid under perfect conditions, yet recalcitrant over the bumps of Tamburello.
The tragedy at Imola was not caused by component failure, but a result of the driver having to push the FW16 beyond it's capabilities to stay ahead of a Schumacher/Benetton combination which was proving more consistent.
The idea that Benetton'd run traction/launch control at any time during the '94 season is simply laughable. Not only would it have been clearly audible, but Ford Motor Company, a major partner of the team at the time (not to mention one of the biggest corporations in the world) would never have allowed an illegal system to be enabled in a software package developed by themselves in conjunction with Cosworth and Benetton.
@rossiwilton A metal fatigue failure on a Williams steering column was the conclusion arrived at by a shambles of an inquiry thirteen years after the fact, despite colossal irregularities in the handling of scene and evidence.
It would never have done for the FIA's post '93 rule changes to be seen as having actually made the '94 machines more inherently unstable and thus more dangerous. Too much of a risk to the gravy train by bringing the sport into terminal disrepute. Yes, clear evidence of a shear in the alloy despite these components having slammed into the Tamburello retaining wall at a three figure velocity - pfff.
@stevibhoy1 yes, colossal irregularities like the black boxes vanishing for an hr or two, the missing last couple of secs of video... which to me sounds like a cover up for the fact sennas steering column started disintegrating going into tamburello,and thats not even mentioning the flex observed just b4 the accident on the wheel. how do yo think it would have looked in 94 if williams staff got charged with it?? couldnt have been allowed at the time .however - 13 yrs l8r....
@stevibhoy1 I think it would be fair to say that the FW16B was certainly a quicker overall car than the B194. Under perfect conditions the earlier FW16 might have been able to steal poles from the B194, but it was sufficiently difficult to drive that it couldn't hope to match the B194 over a race distance.
@vellotrol 90 hp makes a huge difference in F1. It doesn't necessarily mean more straight line speed, but that's only because it often is offset by running more downforce, resulting in quicker cornering. Quite frankly, the Kemmel Straight was probably the easiest place in F1 to overtake at that time and the McLaren had a lot more power and was a superior handling car. What I want to know is why Hakinnen was ahead of Senna in the first place, since there's no way that should have happened.
@PsilocybeBRA I don't remember that particular race, so I don't know why Mika was ahead of Senna. How does my point of view suggest Senna shouldn't have won anything in 1993? Mika was a 2nd year driver with a team that was on it's way down in 1992 against a 3x champ many say is the best ever in a good car. It would have been the same as Paul di Resta being in front of Vettel this year. A great driver in a good car is going to have some success, and Senna did in 1993.
@TheColinChapman There you're right but if you look more close at this action, you will see that Mr. Senna didn't "pass by" until both started to brake before the turn in. I can sure tell that Senna's car was for once faster than the concurrent one's, but Senna WAS just half of a length of a car in front of Häkkinen before the braking.
To resume the whole action, BOTH DRIVERS ARE GREAT INDEED, but Senna braked a little later and that made THE biggest difference.
@sl4ck27 Because the cars are much more equal in terms of their performance.
The other major reason is that the cars produce more downforce, therefore the air behind them is untidy or "dirty", denying the car behind of it's own downforce.
its a scandal to compare Senna and Schumacher /watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y and more /watch?v=CJf6ZkSMWHY that's because of stuff like this its impossible to put Senna and Schumacher in the same sentence.
You might say that Häkkinen did in fact learn well to try even crazier move on M.Sch. 8 years later on this part of the circuit, what a brilliant overtake it was...
Ah cmon.. Schumacher is no Idiot...he is 7Time F1 Champion.. 7Time.. spell that backwards an then forward again..
Nowdays F1 is ruled by sudden changes.. new rules every year..his team just couldn´t handle these rules ..he will be getting closer..MSC is no quitter ya know he raced on the day his mother died and won..
o seus pau mole cade esses mokorongos da formula 1 ? sera que eles nao tenheem vergonha de nunca ganhar porra nemuma nunca + vai existir outro senna perdi até o tesao de ver formula 1
Who won this GP? And who accomplished his first full season on third place? Who was best of the rest in 1992? Who is seven times champion? Who reanimate Ferrari?
@MrHelmestar omg u are such an idiot. Schumacher may have won 7 titles nut he didnt have the carisma of >senna, and his speed and senna raced against the best f1 drivers ever, schumacher when he had a good rival (alonso, or hill for example) he lost
@SennaHamilton4ever I have the exactly same opinion with you my friend! Also don't forget Mika Hakkinen. Schumacher has the best car most of the times. Now he is nothing with this car. Senna was simply the best for me and second best driver was Hakkinen. Schumacher was a good driver but only this.
@IcemanAthens Schumacher has the best car most of the times. Now he is nothing with this car ? really? I would of liked to have seen senna ,prost etc with a way inferior car taking a title ! no chance ... besides schu is 42 & hadn't raced in 3 yrs ! do u understand what 3 yrs abcence is in f1 with all the changes & to come back at that age ? obviously not ... By the way , Senna himself once mentioned to another driver at a race regarding schu ' this guy is very good '.
@mrsyd01 If Schumacher cannot race again in the age of 42 then he is an idiot for his comeback. He thought that he could win guys like Hamilton and Alonso but he has done a mistake. Also I can say something about what you said for an inferior car, Hamilton hasn't the best car in 2008 but he took the title! Also Alonso with Renault! I can say the same for Hakkinen! Schumacher has lost many times the title from better drivers. He has the best team, car and partners (Todt - Brawn).
@MrHelmestar omg u are such an idiot. Schumacher may have won 7 titles but he didnt have the carisma of >senna, and his speed and senna raced against the best f1 drivers ever, schumacher when he had a good rival (alonso, or hill for example) he lost
I dont know why still discussing about who is the best - Senna or Schummy. Its clearly that is SENNA! Shuey win more titles but SENNA is "hors concours"! No need titles!
apart from anything else senna raced in an era where it was a good season if nobody was killed that is what puts him above schumaker the cars where incredibly powerful and fast but your average man could put his hand straight through the shell and the spaceframes couldnt withstand a slight shunt without crumpling to fuck all eg senna prost fangio and the old crowd = balls of steel and heads of ice
@sparkythefinn I think you will find Schumacher was racing when the cars were just as unsafe, Schumacher won the world title the year Senna died, I'm by no means pro Schumacher, but thats something you need to remember, they did race against each other for a few years.
@zacharyyyskeet and Schumacher's team were cheating with their traction control system weren't they ;-). Personally I believe Ayrton Senna was the fastest, most talented racing driver of the modern era, that's not a sentimental statement, I just believe he had a speed nobody could match.....he may not have been the most politically correct (like Prost) but nobody can deny he was truly magnificent......Monaco 88 (despite his crash) and Donington 93 are my 2 favourite memories of Ayrton.
@zacharyyyskeet Benneton (Schumacher's car) was accused to have illegally kept the traction control which was banned the same year which omitted the spinning of the car.....thts the reason Senna spun out in the first two races with no points....then came IMOLA....the most tragic moment in F1 racing....there is no ways you can compare a legend like Senna with schumacher...had Senna been alive I dont see schumacher win 7 chamionships...
@kadamprathmesh make you right fella theres no way shuey would have won as many titles as he did if senna hadnt of been killed ........................
@ProfessorIgor completely false. Senna had a contract for 1994 and 1995 with Williams + a pre contract was already set up with Luca Di Montezemello for a 3 years +2 years options, ie, 5 years. This contract was the one used as base for the Schumacher contract in 1995( joining Ferrari in 96). Moreover, Senna declared to his Italian friend journalist ( forgotten his name, a close friend like Lionel Froissart that he'll race up to 2000 !) So stop spreading false things if you don't know.
@ProfessorIgor which movie ? The movie about Senna ? i've already seen it. But I don't see what does it changes in what I told you. Especially when you know the context, and you know what happened for instance in Jerez 90. Senna was happy with the car, fact. He was disgusted after the death of Ratzenberger,especially since he was on site & has been blamed by the FIA for witnessing. Sunday morning he was amazing and ultra motivated. Journalist try to give a certain sense by exaggerating.
@ProfessorIgor Senna had a plan for his career. He was many times close to join Ferrari. He said a lot about his will to finish his career there. He have seen Enzo in 86 but it was more a clash than a discussion.He signed in 1990 for 91 & 92 with Cesare Fiorio but Ferrari was in a war between clans. he then became a goof friend of Luca Di Montezemello and all these occasions of discussion provided the construction of a contract that has just to be sign : 3 years + 2 years options.
@ProfessorIgor Some others informations that you might be interested in : Senna helped Berger to join the Scuderia for 93. In late august, September, 1993, being in discussions with Williams, he clearly made some statements and his interest for Ferrari, just to put pressure on Williams, but teh fact he was close to Ferrari and Ferrai wanted him, scared Alesi despite his contract. He made the same in July 93 for Benetton and Schuey was scared that Senna joined him as teammate.
@ProfessorIgor Early 1994, before Williams and all the F1 family, he was aware that benetton has signed with Renault for 95. He was angry that the Williams team wasn't abble to lead political war, which Briatore did with great efficient. moreover, he was aware of the cheating of Benetton, and he had to press Williams so they saw analyse that and that they complain to FIA, which Williams refuses, despite they found that Benetton was cheating. So Senna renewed contacts with Ferrari in early 94
@ProfessorIgor Despite Senna had a door open at Ferrari ( with almost all teams even with Benetton and his ennemy Briatore , they dislike each others but Briatore was clear that Senna was the best driver ever , he confirmed that some years ago ) it would have been tough for Senna to join Ferrari in95 but for 1996, the world of F1 has no doubt about that. The thing was to know how long and some informations say 3 years + 2 years options = 5
@GTAGIS because "a door is open" doesn't always mean someone is going to step into it. In an Alain Prost biography Senna himself said that racing had started to become unenjoyable. Senna was without any shadow of a doubt, the best driver that has ever walked the earth. I have a Senna helmet tattoo on my leg in fact. He could have gotten a ride with any team of his choosing and had he lived long enough to sign with big red, who knows how he'd have done. I suspect very well. We will never know :(
@ProfessorIgor I do understand your point, but in the same time, many points show how struggling and motivated Senna was : he has shortened his period in Brazil, has started soon testing, including on the FW15 (without active suspensions), he pushed hard Patrick Head, Adrian Newey and David Brown for improving the FW-16 ( lack of grip because of the rear suspension, aerodynamic problem at the front) , he had explode completely Hill in term of speed and his spleen of Saturday was comprehensible.
@ProfessorIgor The emphasis has been made on some aspect because of the context : Senna died on Sunday, so, everything was en-lighted to that and people started to increase some points. of course, he was disgusted as he was disgusted in Jerez & even more cause someone died and he was told to shut up.At Adelaide 89 he was also close to stop F1 and his season was really unpleasant, so was 90 because of JM Balestre and FIA pressure but he keep on racing, because, driving was in his blood cheers
@GTAGIS this is very true.. professorlgor dosnt know what hes on about! in fact senna was looking at a further 2 years with williams and then finishing his career with ferrari and he in fact went to montezemello and said to him that he would drive for ferrari one day and he replied to senna saying anytime you wana join then ferrari would be ready for him .......................
@zacharyyyskeet Just a simple anotation : from 1983 to today, only two driver had die on the track during a race weekend - this is excluding practice that are not on the race week-end, because the FIA not followed as closely by the operation during free testing, but even there it's one guy (Elio de Angelis in 1986) which is the exception to the San Marino weekend... So, put it like that: 2 (or 3) guy dead in 481 races, with an expected of 18 to 26 car on track. Schumacher was relatively safe.
The F1 world voted and Senna won. Even Michael voted for Senna. So instead of you shooting shit in the comment box, look up SPA 95 or BARCELONA 96 and tell me that was not raw talent. Besides, why can't people just enjoy watching history..
Hakkinen was able to compete with to top 4 (Williams, Senna and Schu), and was cleary in front of the others.
And for the lack of power of the engine, what about Andretti coming from last to 3rd in the most demanding track, Monza ?
Whant about Schumacher's performances ? 1.1s faster than his teammate in average in qualif ? And the same in race ? Watch Spa for example. He was able to compete with the Williams, a huge achievement.
When we put the performance of Schumi's teammates, the only answers you gave is "he's Briatore protegee", "his teammates weren't allow to go fast", etc. Empty arguments. That the Williams was head and shoulder above the others in 1993, yes, of course. But how you explain Patrese's performances ? Often competing with Sauber, Ligier or Ferrari, even behind the Footwork sometimes and never able to chalenge to the front ?
@SchumiSutil I never wrote that Michael was a bad driver but he wasn't in the same level as Senna, simple About Andretti´s third place hehehe you remember how many cars were left in the end of the race??
Schumacher vinceva il gp del Belgio con un' auto inferiore alla Mclaren di Senna
marco116d 4 days ago
@marco116d non direi proprio che la benetton era migliore della Mclaren, la benetton nel periodo 1992-1993-1994-1995 era la vettura migliore assieme alla williams, nel 1992, 1993 ha dovuto accodarsi per via delle sospensioni attive usate dal team inglese, ma una volta bandite nel 1994, non è stata più frenata
Sammy95kor 13 hours ago
IGUAL ..TANTO UM COMO O OUTRO ERAM BONS
eduprecaro 2 weeks ago
@eduprecaro época de ouro tava no fim...
korujaratm123 1 week ago
mikas car is bloody quick up aue rouge
lostwill86 2 weeks ago
@lostwill86 yeah
serginietor 2 weeks ago
Foi a primeira vitória do Schumacher, na formula um. Me lembro dessa corrida.
MrBrunoDuque 2 weeks ago
Bons tempos isso sim que eram maquinas
REDLINE5208 3 weeks ago
Да Ивановыхх на выс нету пяныхх
Cosmych 3 weeks ago
@Cosmych Quem nao intendeu isso da joinha,
Soliid007 3 weeks ago
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@TheColinChapman
Of corse that honda engine did have 90hp more than Ford, just in your imagination.
If you don't believe in Ayrton Senna talent, watch the video: Senna in Donington Park 1993
Where he overtake 5 respect pilots in the first lap on the wet track and with a poor Ford Engine Vs a Powerfull Renault.
ricbonoto 1 month ago
@ricbonoto and now you probably want to tell me that Ford engine was 90hp weaker than the ones his opponents had..... :-)) seriously: I don't doubt Ayrton's driving talent, but if it had been the other way round - with Mika in the faster McLaren and with Aryton in the slower Lotus - the pass would have taken place anyway.
TheColinChapman 1 month ago
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ricbonoto 1 month ago
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ricbonoto 1 month ago
Caramba, que narração e vídeo raros...parabéns por disponibilizar...bons tempos viu
fuckyou1214 1 month ago
So DRS is also "great overtaking"?
Toaster0107 1 month ago
belgium 1992 schumachers first win
rossymuz 1 month ago
I thought the sparks were pretty aweasome!!
burton0078 1 month ago
Nice battle.
fateola 2 months ago
no wonder hakkinen is a double champ,. show no respect for anyone in a track.
no soft compounds here ; )
WeLWets 2 months ago
5 Títulos aí nesse vídeo
fuckyou1214 2 months ago
Oh ye wops forgot
LIAMATTHURSO 3 months ago
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Speaking of Lap Records at Spa:
Schumacher 2002 Lap Record : 1:47.176 (Same circuit layout as 1993)
Vettel 2009 Lap Record : 1:47.263
Raikkonen 2005 Circuit Lap Record : 1:45.108
Senna Qualifying time in 1993 : 1:47.813 -- What?
Moral : 17 years of enormous technological evolution and it still wouldn't have been enough against Senna.
Who knows how fast he might have gone in today's F1 cars?
srinitaaigaura 3 months ago
@SlickTires2011, They Were Never Team Mates
LIAMATTHURSO 3 months ago
@LIAMATTHURSO Yes they was. 3 last races on season 1993 in McLaren.
christian86a 3 months ago
@LIAMATTHURSO /watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GEKvTyppn-I#t=80s
christian86a 3 months ago
Good to see how the drivers were gentleman-like in leaving enough space. Here Häkkinen gave the best possible show without having his face slapped like Eddie Irvine.
TheyCallTheSandman 3 months ago
adesso capisco da chi ha imparato hakkinen a sorpassare a spa!!!!!
C'era lo zampino di magic dietro quel sorpasso del 2000.
ligabueroma2010 3 months ago
Micheal's rule!
marco116d 4 months ago
QUEM TEM CERTEZA QUE O SENNA É MUITO MELHOR QUE O SCHUMACHER DA UM JOINHA !!!!
mutao29 4 months ago 49
@mutao29
Senna é muito melhor, sem dúvida
Mas se bem me lembro essa é a corrida de 1992, da 1a vitória do Schumacher,
semanas antes do Manssell - grrrrrrrrr!!! que raiva! - ser campeão
fabiooliveira73 3 months ago
@mutao29 todos vão dar um joinha, meu caro, o Senna foi o melhor de todos e vai ser sempre, ele é melhor que todos e o Schumacher tem mais campeonatos porque no começo da carreira usava recursos proibidos e não tinha ninguém a altura, já o Senna, teve como rivais Nelson Piquet, Prost, Mansel, Damon Hill e muitos outros espetaculares, agora se ele ainda fosse vivo teria que ter um coração de ferro para não sofrer infarto vendo o rubinho e o massa abraço
MrViniciusmoratta 1 month ago
caralho soh tem gringo aki
Senna rules!!!!!
ricardo2yt 4 months ago
Give way, Mika ! It's the man with the yellow helmet! :-)
TheBigHase 4 months ago
If there's not fire or sparks coming out of some end of the car you know it ain't a Finn driving it. ;)
Rosvolainen 4 months ago 14
Here you see, Hakkinen was same fast like Senna, without experience and with not a very fast car. He was brave. In the straight it was a different game...
samothsamothsamoth 4 months ago
@samothsamothsamoth First time Hakkinen drove for McLare, he outqualified Senna
slicktires2011 3 months ago
@slicktires2011 The same was true of Gerhard Berger. But Senna immediately outran Berger in the race...which is the same thing that happened at Estoril in 1993.
altroval 1 month ago
Esse assoalho raspando no chão, saindo faísca, deixa ainda mais impressionante, essa e outras ultrapassagens dessa época.!!!!!!
Ayrton éra fora de serie!!!!!
gratarakinol 4 months ago
louco corajoso vencedor,o cara e bom showwwwwww ou ganha ou ganha nao tinha outra saida
genilson505 4 months ago
Mika Hakkinen is the best racer ever
IzzyHypno 5 months ago
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car7000 5 months ago
Que saudades do Ayrton !
diagocortez 5 months ago
schumacher's car the benetton in 1994 that won the world championship had illegal traction control........senna complained about this in his last season
telephonic 5 months ago
@telephonic I ask something: Senna knew there was illegal control in Benetton. Senna told it to the team. Why did Williams nothing? Maybe I know the answer: Williams had some illegal aids too (which probably caused the death of Senna), and if they had complained about Benetton, they would have been penalised too. Just think about it.... It makes Schumi's final victory in 1994 much more clean. But these are obviously just assumptions.
racemise 5 months ago
@racemise Senna knew that B194 was illegal because he was the best driver ever and could see a lot of things. Williams did refused to go to FIA for political reason. In the same way, but here, in another professional plan, Senna was also very aware of his buisness and knew before Williams that Benetton was going to have the Renault and was disappointed by the weak political power of Williams. And no illegal stuff caused the accident of Senna anyone who knows F1 would tell you steering column
GTAGIS 5 months ago
@GTAGIS Anyone assumes...
racemise 5 months ago
@racemise There is no doubt that this is the steering column. It was obvious for many people just days after (I remember Alesi) and the evidences are here :the telemetry showed that there was no steering movement.Senna had to jump on the clutch & the throttle after his amazing braking (Patrick Head said perfect braking) in order to try to change the angle of impact.Moreover the steering wheel was moving abnormally before accident. The only reason it was not official is cause of consequences
GTAGIS 5 months ago
@GTAGIS Sorry, I got you wrong, I know it is the steering column, what I said actually is that it had been the steering column with some kind of illegal (no aid but) set up. But that's what noone will ever know...
racemise 5 months ago
@racemise Ok, I understand what you mean. Well, to my knowledge, the only thing that was special on this column was the fact that the modifications to shorten the length were not reliable, the diameter wasn't appropriate. Prost himself said that if he stayed another year (he had a 2 years contract) he would have asked for changes in the direction to be more comfortable. The change was done prior to Imola to my knowledge but I don't know how it was done on the others FW-16 chassis produced
GTAGIS 5 months ago
The GREATEST of ALL TIME....
gixxerboy555 5 months ago
Shoemaker the greatest cheat ever !
23deniro23 6 months ago
@23deniro23 : Idiot, slowly but steady all this "shoemaker-hater" are really kids. Are you 12 years old? Have you saw Senna in Formula 3? He was ridicolous too, but nevertheless a genius driver. Please let this kidding with this is a cheater and the other is god or anything such bullshitt
samothsamothsamoth 5 months ago
@axledante that's a fair point .
thehitchrules 6 months ago
What's so special about overtaking a 690hp-Lotus-Ford with a 780hp-McLaren-Honda? Even without Hakkinen's slipstream, Senna probably was more than 10kph faster on the Kemmel straight. This isn't "overtaking", this ist just "passing by".
TheColinChapman 6 months ago 38
@TheColinChapman Like to see you try it !!!
thehitchrules 6 months ago
@TheColinChapman Which, unfortunately, is exactly what "overtaking" is today.
carsismeZ06 2 months ago
@TheColinChapman
You clearly never been in any type of race have you?
Those 90hp more Senna had on his favor doesn't help
much when you talk about F1 my dear friend, you still
need to be quite skilled to perform that kind of overtaking.
Peace brother.
vellotrol 2 months ago
@vellotrol Yes, I have - you too? 90hp make over 12 kph difference in topspeed (comparable aerodynamics presumed). The Kemmel straight is 1100 meters long, which means the extrapower (at approx. 300 vs 312 kph) gives Senna an advantadge of over 40(!) meters. The only thing you need to have the balls for is to follow the man in front of you through Eau Rouge with less than 30 meters distance (or less than 0,4 seconds). Which I presume is an easy thing for a professional (with a better car!).
TheColinChapman 2 months ago
vellotrol 2 months ago
@vellotrol of course Senna didn't always have the best car in the field (at least in 1991 he became World Champion even though Mansell and Patrese had better cars), but I hope you don't want to state that Häkkinen's Lotus was better than Senna's McLaren. I still do enjoy Go-Kart-Racing - I hope you are also having fun on the race track. hit it! :-)
TheColinChapman 2 months ago
@TheColinChapman
Moroso, Florida USA you have a friend here let
me know if you ever around, it will be a pleasure. :)
vellotrol 2 months ago
@TheColinChapman The FW14 in '91, as opposed to the FW14B of '92, was woefully unreliable for a fair chunk of the '91 season. Those who maintain that the MP4/6 and the MP4/8 were off the ultimate pace are deluded. The '93 McLaren Ford was probably the most refined iteration of the gizmo'd F1 machine.
The '94 Williams was also a lot more competitive than many think. It may have been a little difficult to use under certain conditions but had more ultimate pace than the B194 Benetton.
stevibhoy1 2 months ago
@stevibhoy1 you're right in stating that the McLaren MP4/6 was better than many (especially Ayrton Senna) stated. Indeed, the Williams FW14 was unreliable during the first half of the 1991 season, which made Ayrton win the first 4 races. But I still tend to think that it was mostly the driver who made the difference. Think yourself 21 years back, put Ayrton in an FW14 and Patrese and Mansell in an MP 4/6- who do you think would have become Champion? I think Ayrton would have made it either way.
TheColinChapman 1 month ago
@TheColinChapman My point is that the FW 14, along with Newey's other early '90s concepts, was not necessarily as easy a drive as many think, only properly effective when run in conjunction with the reactive ride as in '92/'93.
The '91 car had, like the '94 machine, ultimately more downforce than it's competitors but had a very narrow window of optimisation.
To illustrate, his '90 March didn't qualify in Mexico over the bumps, yet finished on the podium in the next race at a smooth Ricard.
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
I'd even go as far as to state that the '94 car, conceptually a direct descendant of the '91 Williams, was compromised by the shift to passive suspension.
The quickest machine on the grid under perfect conditions, yet recalcitrant over the bumps of Tamburello.
The tragedy at Imola was not caused by component failure, but a result of the driver having to push the FW16 beyond it's capabilities to stay ahead of a Schumacher/Benetton combination which was proving more consistent.
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 true.
TheColinChapman 1 month ago
@TheColinChapman
Clocking your username, I thought you might like this vid.
Punch this into search:
1983 - Lotus F1 goes the turbo way
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
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Bruce10000 1 month ago
The idea that Benetton'd run traction/launch control at any time during the '94 season is simply laughable. Not only would it have been clearly audible, but Ford Motor Company, a major partner of the team at the time (not to mention one of the biggest corporations in the world) would never have allowed an illegal system to be enabled in a software package developed by themselves in conjunction with Cosworth and Benetton.
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 yeh right!
rossiwilton 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 FACT-senna`s accident WAS caused by a badly bodged steering column-NOT by having to overdrive the car to "stay ahead" . unreal.
rossiwilton 1 month ago
@rossiwilton Actually that's not a fact, but a theory.
c32amgftw 1 month ago
@rossiwilton A metal fatigue failure on a Williams steering column was the conclusion arrived at by a shambles of an inquiry thirteen years after the fact, despite colossal irregularities in the handling of scene and evidence.
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
It would never have done for the FIA's post '93 rule changes to be seen as having actually made the '94 machines more inherently unstable and thus more dangerous. Too much of a risk to the gravy train by bringing the sport into terminal disrepute. Yes, clear evidence of a shear in the alloy despite these components having slammed into the Tamburello retaining wall at a three figure velocity - pfff.
stevibhoy1 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 yes, colossal irregularities like the black boxes vanishing for an hr or two, the missing last couple of secs of video... which to me sounds like a cover up for the fact sennas steering column started disintegrating going into tamburello,and thats not even mentioning the flex observed just b4 the accident on the wheel. how do yo think it would have looked in 94 if williams staff got charged with it?? couldnt have been allowed at the time .however - 13 yrs l8r....
rossiwilton 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 I generally agree with you...but the FW14 of 1991 was a faster car than the MP4/6 at most of the tracks.
altroval 1 month ago
@stevibhoy1 I think it would be fair to say that the FW16B was certainly a quicker overall car than the B194. Under perfect conditions the earlier FW16 might have been able to steal poles from the B194, but it was sufficiently difficult to drive that it couldn't hope to match the B194 over a race distance.
altroval 1 month ago
@vellotrol 90 hp makes a huge difference in F1. It doesn't necessarily mean more straight line speed, but that's only because it often is offset by running more downforce, resulting in quicker cornering. Quite frankly, the Kemmel Straight was probably the easiest place in F1 to overtake at that time and the McLaren had a lot more power and was a superior handling car. What I want to know is why Hakinnen was ahead of Senna in the first place, since there's no way that should have happened.
gturner38 2 months ago
@gturner38 no doubt mclaren was a superior car, but cmon, u dont know why hakkinen was ahead of senna?
by ur point of view senna shouldnt have won or had any pole in 93 since he didnt had the best car.... and he was racing against prost
PsilocybeBRA 2 months ago
@PsilocybeBRA I don't remember that particular race, so I don't know why Mika was ahead of Senna. How does my point of view suggest Senna shouldn't have won anything in 1993? Mika was a 2nd year driver with a team that was on it's way down in 1992 against a 3x champ many say is the best ever in a good car. It would have been the same as Paul di Resta being in front of Vettel this year. A great driver in a good car is going to have some success, and Senna did in 1993.
gturner38 2 months ago
you are a moron.
serchmarc 1 month ago
@TheColinChapman There you're right but if you look more close at this action, you will see that Mr. Senna didn't "pass by" until both started to brake before the turn in. I can sure tell that Senna's car was for once faster than the concurrent one's, but Senna WAS just half of a length of a car in front of Häkkinen before the braking.
To resume the whole action, BOTH DRIVERS ARE GREAT INDEED, but Senna braked a little later and that made THE biggest difference.
Have a nice day
keviin05 1 month ago
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ricbonoto 1 month ago
Anyone see Webber and Alonso on Eau Rouge on Sunday . My heart was in my throat . !!
thehitchrules 6 months ago
@thehitchrules It's a moot but good point .
thehitchrules 6 months ago
ARREPIA!
ARREPIA COMO SE FOSSE HOJE...
sanchodubstylee 6 months ago
I'm a newbie in F1 but why nowadays the cars do not pass the other ones?
sl4ck27 6 months ago
@sl4ck27 because f1 sucks today
NOXXism 6 months ago
@NOXXism this is not truth.
stefanorunnertube 6 months ago
@sl4ck27 Because the cars are much more equal in terms of their performance.
The other major reason is that the cars produce more downforce, therefore the air behind them is untidy or "dirty", denying the car behind of it's own downforce.
wks1978 4 months ago
I have seen this race. Hakkinen had a great race with great driver skills. Watch full race, Hakkinen was not on the best car in that season.
Senna did not win because of choosing wrong type tires.
streamC 6 months ago
why was his car sparking soo much down the straight?
chioska14 6 months ago
@chioska14 If you are out of the ideal line, the surface has more irregularities, then the car touches more the bottom than the regular line.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@GTAGIS Thanks :)
chioska14 6 months ago
its a scandal to compare Senna and Schumacher /watch?v=Ad6l2yHTS0Y and more /watch?v=CJf6ZkSMWHY that's because of stuff like this its impossible to put Senna and Schumacher in the same sentence.
krayziegus 6 months ago
to watch old f1 races go to classicgrandprixclub
foginabog 6 months ago
You might say that Häkkinen did in fact learn well to try even crazier move on M.Sch. 8 years later on this part of the circuit, what a brilliant overtake it was...
SjonniTh 7 months ago
come on everybody give hakkinen a break, he is a NEW driver during this vid is taken.
freezaxp 7 months ago
Essa ái cabe aquele ditado popular(Essa briga sai faísca)Senna vc é sempre o maior piloto da f1!!!
picasso452 7 months ago
Ah cmon.. Schumacher is no Idiot...he is 7Time F1 Champion.. 7Time.. spell that backwards an then forward again..
Nowdays F1 is ruled by sudden changes.. new rules every year..his team just couldn´t handle these rules ..he will be getting closer..MSC is no quitter ya know he raced on the day his mother died and won..
Spionsilver 7 months ago 26
@Spionsilver yeah yeah..But SENNA IS THE BEST EVER!!!!!!STFU!!
jesidao1 6 months ago
@jesidao1 nahhh you STFU+1..
Senna was one of the best in his era..winning 3Titles..makes you the best..
there were good ones before him..there were good ones after him..every era has it´s best ones..
Senna would probably slap you for calling him the best ever..if he was around today..
Spionsilver 6 months ago
@Spionsilver If he was around today a lot of things will be diferent........specially u
jesidao1 5 months ago
@jesidao1 right id be wearing my handsigned Senna Cap when attending some races..instead i war my handsigned Hakkinen Cap;)
Spionsilver 5 months ago
@Spionsilver oh yeah? That's inhuman for Godsake!
azwris 5 months ago
senna kept slick tyres when it was raining and when rain stopped cars with wet tyres was disavantaged and had to run on wet track !
amortlessionistes 8 months ago
*sigh* those were the days...
rashmi3415 8 months ago
on the outside <3 R.I.P.
TokyoXtremeDrifter 8 months ago
on straight line other drivers have no chance against the strongest car = the Mclaren of senna!
swallowAyrtonSenna 8 months ago
beautiful cars, great driving
OmegaPrime78 8 months ago
Wow...overtook him on speed with a faster car...what a legandary manoeuvre :s...This was Schumi's first GP-win, Senna in Schumi's shadow, I love it..
wimpiedimpie 8 months ago 2
@wimpiedimpie hakkinen had wet tyres and senna slick ! no comment man !
amortlessionistes 8 months ago
@amortlessionistes yes true but hakkinen was in a heap of shit of a car .
mrsyd01 8 months ago
hahaha, hakinnen got owned by senna.
m1357l 8 months ago
A great battle between two great champions.
UndignifiedPose 8 months ago
Mika is/was great, but then again, many were. Only one was Senna.
danthemanpatrick 9 months ago
grande Schumacher!!!!!
marco116d 9 months ago
o seus pau mole cade esses mokorongos da formula 1 ? sera que eles nao tenheem vergonha de nunca ganhar porra nemuma nunca + vai existir outro senna perdi até o tesao de ver formula 1
mirandda100 9 months ago
AYRTON SENNA, SIMPLY THE BEST FOREVER !!!
Laurindo837 9 months ago
AYRTON "MAGIC" SENNA "THE BEST" DA SILVA
swpuera 9 months ago 3
Who won this GP? And who accomplished his first full season on third place? Who was best of the rest in 1992? Who is seven times champion? Who reanimate Ferrari?
MrHelmestar 9 months ago 4
@MrHelmestar omg u are such an idiot. Schumacher may have won 7 titles nut he didnt have the carisma of >senna, and his speed and senna raced against the best f1 drivers ever, schumacher when he had a good rival (alonso, or hill for example) he lost
SennaHamilton4ever 9 months ago
@SennaHamilton4ever I have the exactly same opinion with you my friend! Also don't forget Mika Hakkinen. Schumacher has the best car most of the times. Now he is nothing with this car. Senna was simply the best for me and second best driver was Hakkinen. Schumacher was a good driver but only this.
IcemanAthens 8 months ago
@IcemanAthens Schumacher has the best car most of the times. Now he is nothing with this car ? really? I would of liked to have seen senna ,prost etc with a way inferior car taking a title ! no chance ... besides schu is 42 & hadn't raced in 3 yrs ! do u understand what 3 yrs abcence is in f1 with all the changes & to come back at that age ? obviously not ... By the way , Senna himself once mentioned to another driver at a race regarding schu ' this guy is very good '.
mrsyd01 8 months ago
@mrsyd01 If Schumacher cannot race again in the age of 42 then he is an idiot for his comeback. He thought that he could win guys like Hamilton and Alonso but he has done a mistake. Also I can say something about what you said for an inferior car, Hamilton hasn't the best car in 2008 but he took the title! Also Alonso with Renault! I can say the same for Hakkinen! Schumacher has lost many times the title from better drivers. He has the best team, car and partners (Todt - Brawn).
IcemanAthens 8 months ago
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@MrHelmestar omg u are such an idiot. Schumacher may have won 7 titles but he didnt have the carisma of >senna, and his speed and senna raced against the best f1 drivers ever, schumacher when he had a good rival (alonso, or hill for example) he lost
SennaHamilton4ever 9 months ago
@MrHelmestar Boom! Case closed.
petersims411 9 months ago
@MrHelmestar Martin Brundle?
Frentzen127 7 months ago
No DRS needed yo
maranello55 9 months ago 3
The two greatest drivers racing wheel to wheel :)
CharvelDude94 10 months ago
como diz um amigo meu: AYRTON "MAGIC" SENNA "THE BEST" DA SILVA!!!
17 anos de saudade!!! R.I.P!!!
NASADM 10 months ago
I dont know why still discussing about who is the best - Senna or Schummy. Its clearly that is SENNA! Shuey win more titles but SENNA is "hors concours"! No need titles!
GKOBE 10 months ago
haha isnt that the same corner where mika did the immortal overtaking move on the outside 8 years later xD
szewei85 11 months ago
apart from anything else senna raced in an era where it was a good season if nobody was killed that is what puts him above schumaker the cars where incredibly powerful and fast but your average man could put his hand straight through the shell and the spaceframes couldnt withstand a slight shunt without crumpling to fuck all eg senna prost fangio and the old crowd = balls of steel and heads of ice
sparkythefinn 11 months ago 3
@sparkythefinn I think you will find Schumacher was racing when the cars were just as unsafe, Schumacher won the world title the year Senna died, I'm by no means pro Schumacher, but thats something you need to remember, they did race against each other for a few years.
zacharyyyskeet 9 months ago 14
@zacharyyyskeet they did race together for a while, but, you never saw schu going round monaco one-handed with 1000bhp. oh, and turbo lag.
russ13b 9 months ago
@zacharyyyskeet and Schumacher's team were cheating with their traction control system weren't they ;-). Personally I believe Ayrton Senna was the fastest, most talented racing driver of the modern era, that's not a sentimental statement, I just believe he had a speed nobody could match.....he may not have been the most politically correct (like Prost) but nobody can deny he was truly magnificent......Monaco 88 (despite his crash) and Donington 93 are my 2 favourite memories of Ayrton.
FTMJarra 9 months ago
@zacharyyyskeet Benneton (Schumacher's car) was accused to have illegally kept the traction control which was banned the same year which omitted the spinning of the car.....thts the reason Senna spun out in the first two races with no points....then came IMOLA....the most tragic moment in F1 racing....there is no ways you can compare a legend like Senna with schumacher...had Senna been alive I dont see schumacher win 7 chamionships...
kadamprathmesh 7 months ago 3
@kadamprathmesh make you right fella theres no way shuey would have won as many titles as he did if senna hadnt of been killed ........................
rockypup1968 7 months ago
@rockypup1968 Senna would likely have retired after 1994. He had been quoted more than once that racing wasn't fun anymore.
ProfessorIgor 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor completely false. Senna had a contract for 1994 and 1995 with Williams + a pre contract was already set up with Luca Di Montezemello for a 3 years +2 years options, ie, 5 years. This contract was the one used as base for the Schumacher contract in 1995( joining Ferrari in 96). Moreover, Senna declared to his Italian friend journalist ( forgotten his name, a close friend like Lionel Froissart that he'll race up to 2000 !) So stop spreading false things if you don't know.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@GTAGIS wait for the movie...
ProfessorIgor 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor which movie ? The movie about Senna ? i've already seen it. But I don't see what does it changes in what I told you. Especially when you know the context, and you know what happened for instance in Jerez 90. Senna was happy with the car, fact. He was disgusted after the death of Ratzenberger,especially since he was on site & has been blamed by the FIA for witnessing. Sunday morning he was amazing and ultra motivated. Journalist try to give a certain sense by exaggerating.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Senna had a plan for his career. He was many times close to join Ferrari. He said a lot about his will to finish his career there. He have seen Enzo in 86 but it was more a clash than a discussion.He signed in 1990 for 91 & 92 with Cesare Fiorio but Ferrari was in a war between clans. he then became a goof friend of Luca Di Montezemello and all these occasions of discussion provided the construction of a contract that has just to be sign : 3 years + 2 years options.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Some others informations that you might be interested in : Senna helped Berger to join the Scuderia for 93. In late august, September, 1993, being in discussions with Williams, he clearly made some statements and his interest for Ferrari, just to put pressure on Williams, but teh fact he was close to Ferrari and Ferrai wanted him, scared Alesi despite his contract. He made the same in July 93 for Benetton and Schuey was scared that Senna joined him as teammate.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Early 1994, before Williams and all the F1 family, he was aware that benetton has signed with Renault for 95. He was angry that the Williams team wasn't abble to lead political war, which Briatore did with great efficient. moreover, he was aware of the cheating of Benetton, and he had to press Williams so they saw analyse that and that they complain to FIA, which Williams refuses, despite they found that Benetton was cheating. So Senna renewed contacts with Ferrari in early 94
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor Despite Senna had a door open at Ferrari ( with almost all teams even with Benetton and his ennemy Briatore , they dislike each others but Briatore was clear that Senna was the best driver ever , he confirmed that some years ago ) it would have been tough for Senna to join Ferrari in95 but for 1996, the world of F1 has no doubt about that. The thing was to know how long and some informations say 3 years + 2 years options = 5
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@GTAGIS because "a door is open" doesn't always mean someone is going to step into it. In an Alain Prost biography Senna himself said that racing had started to become unenjoyable. Senna was without any shadow of a doubt, the best driver that has ever walked the earth. I have a Senna helmet tattoo on my leg in fact. He could have gotten a ride with any team of his choosing and had he lived long enough to sign with big red, who knows how he'd have done. I suspect very well. We will never know :(
ProfessorIgor 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor I do understand your point, but in the same time, many points show how struggling and motivated Senna was : he has shortened his period in Brazil, has started soon testing, including on the FW15 (without active suspensions), he pushed hard Patrick Head, Adrian Newey and David Brown for improving the FW-16 ( lack of grip because of the rear suspension, aerodynamic problem at the front) , he had explode completely Hill in term of speed and his spleen of Saturday was comprehensible.
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@ProfessorIgor The emphasis has been made on some aspect because of the context : Senna died on Sunday, so, everything was en-lighted to that and people started to increase some points. of course, he was disgusted as he was disgusted in Jerez & even more cause someone died and he was told to shut up.At Adelaide 89 he was also close to stop F1 and his season was really unpleasant, so was 90 because of JM Balestre and FIA pressure but he keep on racing, because, driving was in his blood cheers
GTAGIS 6 months ago
@GTAGIS this is very true.. professorlgor dosnt know what hes on about! in fact senna was looking at a further 2 years with williams and then finishing his career with ferrari and he in fact went to montezemello and said to him that he would drive for ferrari one day and he replied to senna saying anytime you wana join then ferrari would be ready for him .......................
rockypup1968 6 months ago
@zacharyyyskeet Just a simple anotation : from 1983 to today, only two driver had die on the track during a race weekend - this is excluding practice that are not on the race week-end, because the FIA not followed as closely by the operation during free testing, but even there it's one guy (Elio de Angelis in 1986) which is the exception to the San Marino weekend... So, put it like that: 2 (or 3) guy dead in 481 races, with an expected of 18 to 26 car on track. Schumacher was relatively safe.
therrydicule 4 months ago
same story again....SENNA - SCHUMMY....what I know is.Senna could be a driver of any category, that he could do well....from Rally to trucks
vsfodao 1 year ago 3
0:20 I bet he hurt his ass and gave it up ;)
cieslus1988 1 year ago
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1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
Yes he has talent, but not enough talent as Senna had.
1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
The F1 world voted and Senna won. Even Michael voted for Senna. So instead of you shooting shit in the comment box, look up SPA 95 or BARCELONA 96 and tell me that was not raw talent. Besides, why can't people just enjoy watching history..
cafedelmar99 1 year ago
@cafedelmar99 and at donnington in the rain in a inferior mcclaren !!
rockypup1968 6 months ago
Hakkinen was able to compete with to top 4 (Williams, Senna and Schu), and was cleary in front of the others.
And for the lack of power of the engine, what about Andretti coming from last to 3rd in the most demanding track, Monza ?
Whant about Schumacher's performances ? 1.1s faster than his teammate in average in qualif ? And the same in race ? Watch Spa for example. He was able to compete with the Williams, a huge achievement.
SchumiSutil 1 year ago
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1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
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1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
When we put the performance of Schumi's teammates, the only answers you gave is "he's Briatore protegee", "his teammates weren't allow to go fast", etc. Empty arguments. That the Williams was head and shoulder above the others in 1993, yes, of course. But how you explain Patrese's performances ? Often competing with Sauber, Ligier or Ferrari, even behind the Footwork sometimes and never able to chalenge to the front ?
SchumiSutil 1 year ago
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1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
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@SchumiSutil I never wrote that Michael was a bad driver but he wasn't in the same level as Senna ,simple.
1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
@SchumiSutil I never wrote that Michael was a bad driver but he wasn't in the same level as Senna, simple About Andretti´s third place hehehe you remember how many cars were left in the end of the race??
1PolitiCOW 1 year ago
@SchumiSutil Senna was faster than Michael ...fact!!
1PolitiCOW 1 year ago