I mind at Glasgow they went off b4 this and the crowd started singing Scotland songs as they had just drawn England in the EC play off. Mani played part of it with the CU Jimmy hat on
@madeofstone95.... not at all fella, had about 100 people singin along with me after the first few lines, if i do say so myself i fuckin nailed it! breeze
i was at this gig...changed my life! it was an all nighter - they didnt come on stage til about midnight. you couldnt see from one end of the room to the other because of the smoke by the time they came on. i slept in my camper van in a side street by the academy afterwards, but kept getting woken up by police sirens rushing past every ten minutes!! thanks so much for putting this up because it was an experience far beyond music for me (and many others who were there i would imagine.)
i only wish i was old enough to have seen the roses, ave seen brown solo twice and the complete stone roses three time, but it would have been amazing to have seen them circa 90 - 91
The albums show where the lads were at, at the time of writing. Very very different places. I love both the same. I love Turns into Stone just as much...
This is the gig mentioned on the MSN home page as one of the best ever gigs, not just the Roses best ever but best ever gig by any other group... says it all really Reform the ROSES!
It's all cliches! New horizons/cups running over/etched in sand/all that ever mattered and all that ever will/more joy than watching you sleep etc etc. OK, nice words, they're not bad (jesus, they're better than Oasis's words) but I disagree that they are in any way amazingly deep or original or poetic words, using intelligent, interesting imagery. They are (like Good Times too) MOR words. I think Morrisey's lyrics were indeed more original and interesting, hence their appeal, over Marr's music
That line is a total cliche and is not new. Most of their lyrics on SC are also cliched and predictable. The 1st album has much better lyrics - see Bye Bye Badman for instance - with some originality and depth. And I think the Smiths might have something to say about being best lyricists of their generation!
From John Robb's "The Stone Roses: Resurrection of British Pop", page 224: "the lyrics, though, are the album's main weak point - they rely on the cliche and are nowhere near the class of the debut, when home-spun philosophy, dark jokes and revolutionary anger are mixed into what are pecevied as love songs. The 2nd Coming mayble tackles darker, heavier ground, but with a more simplistic manner...the roses are playing separately, all chasing those heaps of Squire's guitars".
You are completely missing the point. Yeah there are good lyrics on the 1 st album. But this song completely fuckin captures the excitement and fear of falling in love with somebody. 'are we etched in sone or just scratched in the sand?' Lyrically, this is the roses best song full stop. But then again John Robb, serial madchester hanger on of coattails and TV pundit(!)thinks differently. Well fuck, yu must be right! Try formin your own opinions. Unless of course you ARE John Robb
In your opinion, that is. In mine, those lyrics are cliched and the imagery is not new - etched in stone/scratched in sand/cups running etc it's all been said and used before a million times. Real poetry/imagery is more interesting and original, like Dylan's for instance. And the stuff on the first album is really good because it avoids cliches and has a lot of clever, biblical references about agnostism (like Love Spreads' good words). The fact Robb and others agree with me only adds weight
Why does John Robb agreeing with you add weight? The guy is mediocre author/journalist with a moderately entertaining writing style. Who used etched in stone/scratched in sand? Not that it matters. Great songwriting is about conveying emotion and connecting to the listener. It doesn't always take Sartre to do this. I'm not knockin you personally but it bores me when people are dismissive about things because they are not overwrought. I don't get why you value critics opinions so much?
Fair point, I suppose it doesn't actually matter at all at a subjective level, emotion and connection are all personal. But discussions on music tend to veer into the "so so are the best ever etc" which then leads to objective criticism, which has its place too, comparing bands' abilities/legacies etc (eg. a simple example, I think the Roses are more talented than the Spice Girls). So in this respect, those who are professional critics and who are paid to voice opinion have some weight (contd)
Music is art not science. We can always strive to be objective about it but there are no units to measure therefore evrything depends upon personal preference/opinion. I do not question Robb's knowledge of music -fuck, I like pretty much exactly the same bands he does. I just don't always agree with the specifics. John Robb is paid for his opinions because he chose to pursue what he does as a career not because his opinions are more valuable than aybody elses. We will have to agree to disagree!
(contd) as logically they must have some knowledge/understanding of music objectively in order to get a publishing deal etc. I didn't mean to annoy you as if this song means something to you, then that's great and all that really matters. It was just that I think the Roses have done much better songs, they are an amazingly talented group but I think, critically, TSR is by far the more creative, influential, more innovative record. Still, I like TSC and I love Squire, though a bit OTT guitar!!
The song isn't about chasing the dragon. Squire likes the white stuff, not the brown. I don't see how you can think etched in stone...scratched in the sand etc is about smokin heroin. Anyway if you like heroin and you dig this song then fair play mate. Keep it up
believe its about PCP, acttually - as is the vast bulk (probably all) of TSC.
and "Made Of Stone" is about a naturally occurring (not drug induced) psychological phenomenon which mimics these effects. You know which came first....
Sorry to resurrect the debate but whatever fuckin drugs you 2 are on can I have some? What the fuck are you talkin about??? Then again loadsa a white kids in manchester were on PCP when i were a lad
Dont know if its a good or bad thing - the Roses getting back together.But what I do know is I will happily sell a kidney to be at the front if they ever do !
wow this is their best song and a highlight of second coming, what a fanatastic live atmosphere at this gig i hope they get back together, mani has claimed he is gonna get spuire and brown to meet to spark a reunion.
two words..........fucking mint!!!!
jennyorgan1977 3 months ago
@jennyorgan1977 Bang on jenny
thefrontline23 2 weeks ago
wooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! the second coming!!!!!! my life is complete!!!!!!
modmutha 3 months ago in playlist The Stone Roses
is that reni on bass?
invictorium 3 months ago
@invictorium Mani. Reni is the original drummer who'd left by this point
zoso7889 3 months ago
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GettingPsychedelic 5 months ago
fucking amazing song !!!! are we etched in stone!!
funster53 6 months ago
Ace!
JonSadleir 8 months ago
my goldleaf triptych angel she knows just what to do....
modmutha 9 months ago
beautiful
mrbolovski 9 months ago
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modmutha 10 months ago
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modmutha 10 months ago
Have you got anymore????
mrgrinderman1 11 months ago
4 c*nts need their ears checked
elMick 1 year ago
i never saw them live, but i remember a boy saying this song was the highlight.. in Aberdeen.
silverrocket79 1 year ago
Fuck I'm an idiot. Why wasn't I there? I was 19 at the time and living in London. Fuck.
mikegalsworthy 1 year ago
I mind at Glasgow they went off b4 this and the crowd started singing Scotland songs as they had just drawn England in the EC play off. Mani played part of it with the CU Jimmy hat on
bigmarky 1 year ago
@bigmarky haha, that's class man !
dannyb1314 8 months ago
So fucking amazing...Just look at them all-together...Amazing song...
You should have been an angel, it would have suited you...
(you know)
haradwatch 1 year ago
one of their best songs
campbelllovescock 1 year ago
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campbelllovescock 1 year ago
shmokin a fag and letting the crowd sing his tunes.... ian brown is one cool cat
mileyoreilly07 1 year ago 3
@mileyoreilly07 I'd be surprised if that is a fag he is smokin...
giddygiraffe 1 year ago
Saw em at the aberdeen music hall 94 or 95....best gig i ever went to. I salute you........
Dirtybaz1 2 years ago
love this song! oh, if only mani had waited to quit, what if there where vids of the whole real band playing 2nd coming live!?!? oh I wish
lazyitus 2 years ago
@lazyitus it was reni who quit , but who's being picky
purdy1985 2 years ago
heh heh... yeah, one too many drinks that night.
lazyitus 2 years ago
ian sounds mint here
MaDFuRiT86 2 years ago 2
His hat is cool
stoneroses22 2 years ago 2
top Roses gig
carlos7217 2 years ago
Amazing!!!! What a crowd man!!
manchester1000 2 years ago
just booked my tickets for dec 09 cant wait!
petalsinthesnow2 2 years ago
Are we etched in stone? Or just scratched in the sand?
SuperAllyPurvey 2 years ago
I love that lyric ;)
squirehendrix 2 years ago
my vision was complete..
accio197 2 years ago
would have loved to be there.
DocTrayzie505 2 years ago 2
brilliant..one of my favourite songs ever..
takemethere219 2 years ago
Fucking amazing
1977JJT 2 years ago
Fuck me - this is so good, so sweet to see again - thanks for the post....Boz
vacillateallday 2 years ago 8
a piece of magic. i sang this to my missus on her 50th. no backin. awesome. cheers ian. breeze
alibee73 2 years ago
@alibee73 that sounds cringing.
madeofstone95 1 year ago
@madeofstone95.... not at all fella, had about 100 people singin along with me after the first few lines, if i do say so myself i fuckin nailed it! breeze
alibee73 1 year ago
PURE MAGIC
rapperzondernaam 2 years ago
magic
rapperzondernaam 2 years ago
There is a bootleg CD and Video of it floating around
stoneroses22 2 years ago
anyone know if they will ever release this '95 Brixton gig on cd? sure would be nice to have...
s2khawk 2 years ago 3
Is Reni still about at this stage?
Hatter1990 3 years ago
unfortunately his last roses gig was glasgow green, 1990.
Cressa leaving was the beginning of the end, really.
1poorbaby 3 years ago
Aaaaaaahhh... puts a smile on my face every time...!
weespaghetti 3 years ago 12
@weespaghetti
mmm888777 1 year ago
i was at this gig...changed my life! it was an all nighter - they didnt come on stage til about midnight. you couldnt see from one end of the room to the other because of the smoke by the time they came on. i slept in my camper van in a side street by the academy afterwards, but kept getting woken up by police sirens rushing past every ten minutes!! thanks so much for putting this up because it was an experience far beyond music for me (and many others who were there i would imagine.)
rjshare 3 years ago 3
love this.
bella77a 3 years ago
Best song off Second Coming. Show's that when squire wasn't going mad on the guitar, they could still turn out something special
markymark1980 3 years ago
The crowd singing it at the start is brilliant
Enderwiggan1 3 years ago
i only wish i was old enough to have seen the roses, ave seen brown solo twice and the complete stone roses three time, but it would have been amazing to have seen them circa 90 - 91
purdy1985 3 years ago
The albums show where the lads were at, at the time of writing. Very very different places. I love both the same. I love Turns into Stone just as much...
drovesouth 3 years ago
John Robb is an idiot - long live the roses
Moonhead45 3 years ago
This is the gig mentioned on the MSN home page as one of the best ever gigs, not just the Roses best ever but best ever gig by any other group... says it all really Reform the ROSES!
sorenotes 3 years ago
pray tell who wrote it first? Cliche is a matter of perspective.
The smiths were a great band but never got close to the roses.
Head for new horizons mate.
drovesouth 4 years ago
This must have been from 95 not 89, Squire playing a different syle of guitar and Tightrope is off the second album
6025rich 3 years ago
It's all cliches! New horizons/cups running over/etched in sand/all that ever mattered and all that ever will/more joy than watching you sleep etc etc. OK, nice words, they're not bad (jesus, they're better than Oasis's words) but I disagree that they are in any way amazingly deep or original or poetic words, using intelligent, interesting imagery. They are (like Good Times too) MOR words. I think Morrisey's lyrics were indeed more original and interesting, hence their appeal, over Marr's music
219970 3 years ago
Beautiful....just like you x
mancman21562 4 years ago
AWSOME,LOVE IT
mancman21562 4 years ago
Is it just me or does that track get a lot worse once Ian starts singing?
mturner76 4 years ago
its not just you mate
baileybonce 3 years ago
the greatest roses tune off all time Fookin mega video..... long live king monkey
budge1611 4 years ago 2
I dont comment on many vids but fuck me,that was amazing.The hairs on the back of my neck stood up..Great clip!!!!
bassplayer38 4 years ago
fucking hell that's amazin' !
Danny2604 4 years ago
That is absolutly brilliant. One of best vids i have seen of them..... quality.
flizzbelly 4 years ago
foookin awesome. best guitarist lyrics & of a generation. 'Can there be more in this world than the joy of just watching you sleep'
Earlsixteen16 4 years ago
That line is a total cliche and is not new. Most of their lyrics on SC are also cliched and predictable. The 1st album has much better lyrics - see Bye Bye Badman for instance - with some originality and depth. And I think the Smiths might have something to say about being best lyricists of their generation!
219970 4 years ago
Set to that music it's new, who gives a fuck anyway.
I hadnt heard that line before nd the rest of the lyrics are extraordinary.
Not the least bit predictable.
bornslippy 4 years ago
From John Robb's "The Stone Roses: Resurrection of British Pop", page 224: "the lyrics, though, are the album's main weak point - they rely on the cliche and are nowhere near the class of the debut, when home-spun philosophy, dark jokes and revolutionary anger are mixed into what are pecevied as love songs. The 2nd Coming mayble tackles darker, heavier ground, but with a more simplistic manner...the roses are playing separately, all chasing those heaps of Squire's guitars".
219970 4 years ago
John Robb said that!
Fuck me I take it all back.
Lol.
bornslippy 4 years ago
You are completely missing the point. Yeah there are good lyrics on the 1 st album. But this song completely fuckin captures the excitement and fear of falling in love with somebody. 'are we etched in sone or just scratched in the sand?' Lyrically, this is the roses best song full stop. But then again John Robb, serial madchester hanger on of coattails and TV pundit(!)thinks differently. Well fuck, yu must be right! Try formin your own opinions. Unless of course you ARE John Robb
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
In your opinion, that is. In mine, those lyrics are cliched and the imagery is not new - etched in stone/scratched in sand/cups running etc it's all been said and used before a million times. Real poetry/imagery is more interesting and original, like Dylan's for instance. And the stuff on the first album is really good because it avoids cliches and has a lot of clever, biblical references about agnostism (like Love Spreads' good words). The fact Robb and others agree with me only adds weight
219970 3 years ago
Why does John Robb agreeing with you add weight? The guy is mediocre author/journalist with a moderately entertaining writing style. Who used etched in stone/scratched in sand? Not that it matters. Great songwriting is about conveying emotion and connecting to the listener. It doesn't always take Sartre to do this. I'm not knockin you personally but it bores me when people are dismissive about things because they are not overwrought. I don't get why you value critics opinions so much?
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
Fair point, I suppose it doesn't actually matter at all at a subjective level, emotion and connection are all personal. But discussions on music tend to veer into the "so so are the best ever etc" which then leads to objective criticism, which has its place too, comparing bands' abilities/legacies etc (eg. a simple example, I think the Roses are more talented than the Spice Girls). So in this respect, those who are professional critics and who are paid to voice opinion have some weight (contd)
219970 3 years ago
Music is art not science. We can always strive to be objective about it but there are no units to measure therefore evrything depends upon personal preference/opinion. I do not question Robb's knowledge of music -fuck, I like pretty much exactly the same bands he does. I just don't always agree with the specifics. John Robb is paid for his opinions because he chose to pursue what he does as a career not because his opinions are more valuable than aybody elses. We will have to agree to disagree!
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
(contd) as logically they must have some knowledge/understanding of music objectively in order to get a publishing deal etc. I didn't mean to annoy you as if this song means something to you, then that's great and all that really matters. It was just that I think the Roses have done much better songs, they are an amazingly talented group but I think, critically, TSR is by far the more creative, influential, more innovative record. Still, I like TSC and I love Squire, though a bit OTT guitar!!
219970 3 years ago
yes you definitely missed the point
cinemar 3 years ago
Sounds like your missing the point. Songs about chasing the dragon lol.
smig1973 3 years ago
The song isn't about chasing the dragon. Squire likes the white stuff, not the brown. I don't see how you can think etched in stone...scratched in the sand etc is about smokin heroin. Anyway if you like heroin and you dig this song then fair play mate. Keep it up
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
I could find so many referals in that song but too lazy to type here.
Just because they don't like doesn't mean to say they don't sing about it.
Shoot you down
Driving South
and more
smig1973 3 years ago
believe its about PCP, acttually - as is the vast bulk (probably all) of TSC.
and "Made Of Stone" is about a naturally occurring (not drug induced) psychological phenomenon which mimics these effects. You know which came first....
1poorbaby 3 years ago
Yeah I know that one. Used to think it was flash backs lol.
I have some school kids singing a version of this on my account.
Here is the thai school kids playlist so far.
Shoot You Down - Stone Roses
Tightrope - Stone Roses
Rocks - Primal Scream
and a nice version of you are my sunshine (football style)
smig1973 3 years ago
Sorry to resurrect the debate but whatever fuckin drugs you 2 are on can I have some? What the fuck are you talkin about??? Then again loadsa a white kids in manchester were on PCP when i were a lad
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
Just checked out the thai kids singin the scream and the roses. Fuckin bonkers
giddygiraffe 3 years ago
Glad you liked it. Done in an hour and a half and they still haven't heard the song.
smig1973 3 years ago
Such a brilliant feelgood song. Lyrics are pretty darn well-written as well.
degaulle30 3 years ago
my fav.....quality chooon....
mancman21562 4 years ago
none finer.
ianbrownshairdo 4 years ago
this video makes me wanna cry,i fill up with emotion every time.
ianbrownlegend 4 years ago
Great song, great album!! This is the song we used, to teach Walshie how to play the guitar in college.
barglancy 4 years ago
I was there at this gig. Just totally goosed me watching it again for thr first time in over 10 years.
Still the best concert I've ever been to. Madchester Lives
loza1965 4 years ago
fucking rite! up the ra!! and tightropes good too! fuck, i beat john would beat ian in a fight. ians voice here is stunning.
page7978 4 years ago
Dont know if its a good or bad thing - the Roses getting back together.But what I do know is I will happily sell a kidney to be at the front if they ever do !
RescueBusH221 4 years ago
yep in the roses top 5 for me. i wonder how many copies of second coming get sold these days.
1poorbaby 4 years ago
not as many as there should be. its a well underated album and took some stick when it was released. goodtimes-says it all
ostilad81 4 years ago
excellent
frenchtom 4 years ago
wow this is their best song and a highlight of second coming, what a fanatastic live atmosphere at this gig i hope they get back together, mani has claimed he is gonna get spuire and brown to meet to spark a reunion.
sparkygeorge 5 years ago
wit fuckin woo!
missjangles 5 years ago
amazin...nuff sed..
mancman21562 5 years ago
'one of the better later tracks'!? heehee!
i think second coming is farrrr better than their earlier stuff. just listen to this tears and begging you!
nigelquest 5 years ago
fuckin mega! UP THE RA!!
mcspeel 5 years ago
one of the best songs ever written. thank you boys
willieor 5 years ago
class....full stop
stoneroses69 5 years ago
Quality ! the crowd show the love we have for the roses !
chrisfreestoneUK 5 years ago
Beautiful ! It sound like TOMORROW NEVER NOWS of Beatles... less tripper and more beautiful.
feringel 5 years ago
Another one from me website. ;)
tenstorey 5 years ago
one of the better later tracks
stuarthowie 5 years ago
Is this Stuart Howie from Ayr
tateayr 5 years ago
no stuart howie from pollok
stuarthowie 5 years ago
The BEST track from The Second Coming. Top 3 Roses tracks ever!
sconnell1 5 years ago