THE FLOOD IN NOAH'S DAY WAS REGIONAL FROM EGYPT TO MT ARARAT IN TURKEY. It was not global. Noah was only the 10th generation of mankind, hardly enough time to populate the world. Moses said of it, THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS was flooded. Joshua wrote four times in chapter 24 saying ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD meaning people in his day knew where the boundaries of the flood was which they used to communciate boundaries. THE FLOOD WAS REGIONAL. Its not a myth. Search the Middle East.
"Joshua said THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. Flood is the old English King James version translation, it is a mistranslation in modern English."-InternetDarkJesuit
>You know full well, you bible scholar jesuit cretin, that this passage of scripture is referring to the Euphrates River.
@MegaSage007 "Joshua wrote four times in chapter 24 saying ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD meaning people in his day knew where the boundaries of the flood was which they used to communciate boundaries."-MegaDummy007
>Joshua is referring to the Euphrates River in this passage of Scripture.
"The other side of the flood" is talking about the boundary of the Euphrates.
The archaic word "flood" meaning river in these particular verses. -EVERYBODY PLEASE BE AWARE "MegaSage007" IS OUT TO DECEIVE.
@InternetDarkLord more absurd is you thinking that genesis is saying that Noah should bring every species on the face of the planet on the ark. obviously it was a localized flood so Noah would have brought the animals around him for both consumption on the ark, and for the animal sacrifice that genesis describes after the flood. Also, if you used common sense you would know that obviously Noah wasn't scouting around for every minute animal, including the ones that dont have genders. sighh...
@jamaicanification No, many religious fanatics insist the Flood was literal and global, those are the people I am addressing. Tell Behe, Hovind, Ham.....that the flood was local.
Speaking of common sense, why build an ark or save any animals from a local flood? Common sense says you can walk to safety!
@jamaicanification What evidence is there that the flood was localized? And why build a boat if you can just walk to safety? Migration would be easier. And creationists like Hovind say the flood was global, not me.
@InternetDarkLord well stop listening to creationists like hovind. They dont represent the majority opinion. There are many people for instance that happen to be atheists that believe an alien is held in area 51. Should i listen to them and say that represents atheism? No i would be ignorant to do that. And the evidence is from the fact that that region has had a series of localized floods to the overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates
@jamaicanification Actually, there are millions of people in America who believe the global flood was real, they probably are a majority of American Christians. That is why I battle them.
@InternetDarkLord Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I'll fight you both together if you want. I'll fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!
"And the evidence is from the fact that that region has had a series of localized floods to the overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates"-jamaicanificationBYweed
>If you put down your jamaican blunt and let your eyes clear, you may then be able to see "the fact" the the "region" stretches across the entire globe. (Lol, and shaking my head at the ignorance of people)
"What evidence is there that the flood was localized?"-InternetDarkJesuit
>None, when geologists take off there tunnel vision blinders & proceed to gaze across the entire surface of the globe. (Lol, & shaking my head at the ignorance of people)
"And why build a boat if you can just walk to safety? Migration would be easier."-InternetDarkJesuit
>Dohh, 'dats a gud one!
"And creationists like Hovind say the flood was global, not me."-InternetDarkJesuit
@InternetDarkLord "Speaking of common sense, why build an ark or save any animals from a local flood? Common sense says you can walk to safety!"-InternetDarkJESUIT
>Good 'ol "common sense", doesn't seem to very common these days! - EVERYBODY BE AWARE - "InternetDarklord" - IS OUT TO DECEIVE-
"1. Some animals don't have 2 genders."-InternetDarkJESUIT
>Some animals TODAY don't. But who's to say this was the case four thousand years ago?
"2. Everything would not only be inbred, unclean would be 7 times as inbred."-InternetDarkJESUIT
>The Animals On The Arc Weren't Related. Who told you they were BROTHERS & SISTERS, dummy? ( ( ( ( - EVERYBODY BE AWARE - "InternetDarklord" - IS OUT TO DECEIVE - ) ) ) )
@InternetDarkLord DNA today shows we (homo-sapians) are descended from at the very least 10,000 people not from a couple on Noahs Ark. DNA would clearly show evidence for Noahs Ark. But it doesnt. It shows the opposite. Same for other animals in order for the animals to interbreed there would need to be a high mutation rate which we would still have today.
@Sevenfold120 Don't forget, Genesis said the ark had 7 pairs of clean animals, but only 4 pairs of humans. LOL! We would be more inbred than many farm animals!
there was no need to cover mt evrest fool no one lived there. trhe mountains that got covered were the ones that held animals and humans that needed to be destroyed. other animals might have been guided to cetrain mountains to live allowed. now do the math sherlock.
the ark's dimentions is way to small for it to hold all it's supposed to do along with food and water for all onboard, and to make a ship big enoth to hold all that would be to big, it would crush itself by it's extreme weight, and to be able to build it in that timeframe you would need the help of the whole country or superman. it's just impossible, and if it now happend then all life on the planet is inbreed freaks against nature, there is more as well making noah's ark impossible
@Theldras Its obvious your research has been minimal at best.
"The ark's dimentions is way to small for it to hold all it's supposed to do along with food and water for all onboard,"-Theldras
>The arc of Noah had a space capacity of 560 railroad cattle cars; # of animals aboard 16,000 (approx.); animals took up 36% of arc space, leaving plenty for supplies, food/water.
"and to be able to build it in that timeframe you would need..."-Theldras
"and if it now happend then all life on the planet is inbreed freaks against nature, there is more as well making noah's ark impossible"-Thaldras
>Where do you get this bunkum? Who tells you this garbage and more importantly why do you suck it up and believe it? -There was no "inbreeding". There may be inbred freaks like you running around today spouting nonsense, but that has nothing to do with the first humans or animals.
Adam & Eve were not brother and sister dumb ass. (sigh)
How come no one has yet to find any sort of construction site for the ark. The ark would have been huge required alot of materials . And wherever it was supposed to build would have let some sort materials behind like tools and tents and some sort of frame used to help hold the ark together as it was being build. Yet christians don't have anything close to anything of these things to support the ark story.
"How come no one has yet to find any sort of construction site for the ark."-DoktorSick
>Do you actually think that if the real arc of Noah were ever found (which it likely has), it's discovery would actually be aired on network news or ever published? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
You must not have a clue of the nature of world machinations and who controls the "spin". If you only knew what's going on.
You guys will believe the history books that are taught in school, but you do not receive the Bible? How? Were you there when Abe Lincoln was elected President of the United States? No, but you believe it because of documentation and first hand witnesses passing down writings. What do you think the Bible is??
@spacitydrummer4JC It has nothing to do with actually being there ! Are you really that much of a moron. It's about credible sources and evidence to supports whether or not abe lincoln existed. There is a wealth of credible evidence to support that in fact abe lincoln did in fact exist. There pictures ,government documents etc etc. There is nothing to support that noah or his ark ever existed.
"There is a wealth of credible evidence to support that in fact abe lincoln did in fact exist. There pictures government documents etc etc. There is nothing to support that noah or his ark ever existed."-DoktorSick
>You want proof of the arc? Just look in a mirror and pinch yourself and there you have your proof. Your "existence" is proof and "support that noah or his ark ever existed".
the holy ghost came to me last night, (or maybe it was the tooth fairy, it was dark i couldn't tell for sure.) anyway he said in a deep echoing voice.
"go out and spread the word of BOB." BOB i said, he said "yes, spread the word of BOB." so i said "i'm ready, i'm ready." he said "that's perfect." then he disappeared back into the closet.. oh man, that;s one crazy ghost.
Hm, yeh. I'll buy the Noah's Ark story as litteral. God isn't in the business of writing books. -_- I mean, c'mon. about 300 flood myths and legends all dating around 6,000 years ago? I bet it happened after the melt-down of the last Ice Age (10,000 yrs ago.)
The flood is nonsense: Genesis is is fiction, allegory. From the 106 schools that make up the " Christian College Coalition" only 5 teach that Genesis has to be taken litterally and that the "global flood" really happened.
"From the 106 schools that make up the " Christian College Coalition" only 5 teach that Genesis has to be taken litterally and that the "global flood" really happened."-lizaloon
>And do you know who's been in charge of this Movement?
Answer: the Jesuit Order
And would you like to know the reason why they are directing it and society into this direction?
EVERYONE should be Asking this Question and Wanting to Know. ANYONE that is, who still cares about FREEDOM and their Families.
Noah's Ark????? hilarious. What, did he then get a jet plane to Australia and collect all the marsupials and then take them all back again after the flood?
Did Noah go to the Gallapagos islands and gather all those different unique species of finch? And then take them back again?
Noah`s Ark is childish nonsense. One of the great miracles of modern times, that there are still supposedly educated people who still believe this nonsense happened.
@lizazoon "Noah`s Ark is childish nonsense."-lizaloon
>Those well placed cartoonish storybook depictions of Noah hanging up on your grade school walls on a little bitty toy boat stuffed full of cartoon character animal heads stretching out little cubby hole windows had a tremendous impact on your innocent undeveloped sponge-like mind, DIDN'T IT?
Ahh yes, the power of suggestion on the young lingers long.
"One of the great miracles of modern times there are still supposedly educated people..."
@amaxamon "You don't need an event for a legend to be created. There is no need for a flood at all."-amaxamon
>"It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings (over 25,000) have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
"Watch "the Truth Behind Noah's Ark" It is JUST A STORY!!!"-xebrain
>"I know of no finding in archaeology that`s properly confirmed which is in opposition to the Scriptures. The Bible is the most accurate history textbook the world has ever seen."
-Dr Clifford Wilson, director of the Australian Institute of Archaeology
Find out what REALLY destroyed the ancient Earth and what these "flood" stories are really all about. This is something that neither geologists or religious folks do not want you to see.
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Animals the God wanted on the otherside of the flood obeyed Gods voice and entered the ark. Simple but true.
Why do you think dinosaurs are found, fossiled. God did not choose these animals to remain alive after the flood. They would, of course, terrorize the people.
Stop, you can't be that stupid. Dinosaurs died millions of years before people existed. Just stop being an idiot and read a science book or watch the Discovery channel.
All science and evidence we have today points to the Earth being BILLIONS of years old. There is not a single shred of evidence that even suggests the Earth is 6000 years old.
"All science and evidence we have today points to the Earth being BILLIONS of years old."-deludeddakota
>CORRECTION: All JESUIT sponsored junk-science Evo-Hoaxes and fabricated evidence points minds into believing "the Earth being BILLIONS of years old" fairy tale.
There is not a single shred of evidence that even suggests the Earth is "BILLIONS" years old.
@LiamXaoh •Cmon my brother, Science today exclude God and the Bible out of the geological picture.
When you do that, of course youre going to come up with some outrageous figures.
I also realize that most people dont believe the way I believe but there is a sizeable amount who do, as you can see on UTube. I pays to check out both sides of the coin. Somebody is lying and somebody is telling the truth.
If you want to learn from God, PRAY. Ask for wisdom. Not as the world gives
@Splovengates7 - to be accurate science excludes those claims that are better explained by other means. Go & talk to a geologist about HOW they determine things. The methods are very robust and there are numerous cross checks. The bible viewpoint is it all happened & no other arguments are valid, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
The number of people who believe in something is not the same as the weight of opposing evidence.
@LiamXaoh "The number of people who believe in something is not the same as the weight of opposing evidence."-LiamX
>The fact remains that 2 this day, science hasn't found any "opposing evidence".
-The only thing "Science" has that opposes any gospel truth of the historical biblical account of earths history, is empty & false theories created under the direction of the Jesuit Order for the Roman papal Caesar dynasty seeking global dominion to rule the hearts & minds of men and lord over Man.
"Go & talk to a geologist about HOW they determine things."-LiamX
They say the only real scientist is a peer reviewed one. And what is a peer? Why a peer is anyone who believes in a particular “ism” as deeply as you do. “Peer review” is nothing more than a pat on the back from those who share your deeply held religious beliefs. You see, if you deny global warming then you are not a peer. Only those scientists who agree are credible “peers”. That is how we get “junk science.”
@kccalden - all the 'evidence" is faith based. The evidence you speak of requires divine intervention and the suspension of the laws of physics. Any twat can preach facts on YT. I have invisible pet unicorns - disprove it.
I live in the real world you live in the world of faith. Get over it.
@LiamXaoh "all the 'evidence" is faith based."-LiamX
>Are you saying it takes faith in order to believe there is a Grand Canyon? It takes "faith" to believe there is an Ayers Rock? It takes "faith" to believe there is a Monument Valley? It takes "faith" to believe if Tree Ring Record data? It takes "faith" to believe the fossil record deposit by rapid burial? It takes "faith" to believe in the world's Coal & Oil Deposits?
I live in the real world you live in the world of faith. Get over it.
"I have invisible pet unicorns - disprove it."-Liam
>Don't confuse the horse "unicorn" fairy tale depictions of the Brothers Grimm or in the paintings of the Brothers Hildebrand, with the extinct (non-horse) animal called unicorn in the historical account found in the biblical record. It is not uncommon in that people often mistakenly do.
Hope this helps clear up any confusion you may have. peace
"all the relevant sciences have confirmed the earth is nearly 5 billion years old."-LiamX
>CORRECTION: All the junk-science created under Jesuit direction, using the false theory hoaxes ofVatican shills Charles Lyell, Erasmus & Charles Darwin and Richard Owen have confirmed these lies of deception in the minds of millions that the earth is nearly 5 billion years old.
And the purpose of this jesuitical manipulation? To undermine the bible in the minds of Man and rid the world of God.
"Animals the God wanted on the otherside of the flood obeyed Gods voice and entered the ark. Simple but true."-Sploven
>Nearly spot on. Except God set to have every single one of his creations saved.
"Why do you think dinosaurs are found, fossiled. God did not choose these animals to remain alive after the flood. They would, of course, terrorize the people."-Sploven
>The biblical account says "every". Post-flood conditions & man drove most so-called "dinosaurs" in2 extinction
No the ark was not found. As if a world shaking artifact would be reported on some internet blog or trailer trash church and ignored by the world community of archeologists. Sure it has been claimed to be found, by many people in many locations, but not one claim has ever held up to scrutiny by even trained religious archeologists or scientists.
@sgmarshall "As if a world shaking artifact would be reported on some internet blog..."-sgmarshall
>If arc of Noah were ever located (which it likely has), the last place it would ever be reported is on Network news or World news. The discovery wouldn't even reach as far as the editors desk.
(people don't have a clue as to the structured nature of the world in which we exist or even the vaguest idea of What's Going On?)
"how could the koalas get to the ark without a compass?-ukidding?
>Dummy, Because todays oceans were created by and comprised of the 2348 B.C. Deluge water, Australia did not exist as an island continent pre-flood.
So all these common fantastic notions that the koalas and kangaroos had to swim to the Arc of Noah is pure nonsense and short=sighted malarky by folks who do not possess the mental acuity to see past their nose.
There were no land divides- all animal reps were close.
There is nothing funnier (or scarier?) than watching GROWN men debate about the existence of Noah's Ark and the flood. Why is it so hard for adult humans to let go of these myths? Even children can see through the BS of these Bronze Age stories.
@tommo1313 "it's not that people are stupid, it's that people want to believe."-tommo1313
>No, it is that people are stupid. Because their brains have been filled w/the junk-science theory hoaxes created by the Jesuit Order which spread like a virus in the early 1800's through the halls & rooms of Academia, indoctrinating the minds of millions w/a contrived "prehistoric" fairy tale world.
The mind of an evolutionist has been brainwashed into believing in a story book world that never existed.
Actually, in the times of Joshua, Jericho wasn't actually there. It had already been abandoned. The bible places the battle around 1400 BCE; the abandoment of the city took place before 1600 BCE.
Never heard about evidence of a significant event at Mr Sinai, though.
@Lawlzerzzz Actually it's not myth. This entire planet is covered in a 1/2 mile of sedimentary rock containing trillions of fossils, sedimentary rock only forms under water! Watch a video series called drama in the rock on youtube.
@micah1116 Or you could actually look at the rock layers yourself and see that the creationists are lying to you. I could cover a huge number of data points that show the fact that a global flood did not happen, but the quickest and easiest way is to discuss salt. Shall I continue?
@micah1116 Glad you asked! The vast majority of these deposits form limestone which is composed of coccolithophores ( a type of marine plankton). As an example, Austin Chalk, which underlies Dallas, is a 400-foot thick limestone bed made of the remains of microscopic animals, called coccolithophores or coccoliths. It is about 70% coccoliths. The coccolithophore is a small spherical animal, between 5 and 60 micrometers in diameter, each having about 16 coccoliths that separate upon the death.
@micah1116@micah1116 According to Stokes Law these animals would fall through the water at a rate of .1 millimeter per second. To fall through a 100 foot (33 meter) depth of water would take 4 days. The time required to form the Austin Chalk is far longer than one year. The coccolith skeleton, when pressed flat, is about 1 micron or one millionth of a meter thick. A deposit of coccoliths 400 feet thick must represent many thousands of years of deposits.
@micah1116 One hundred twenty-one million coccoliths could be stacked up like coins across the four hundred feet. Now conditions such as a red tide could produce enough coccolithophores to produce a layer under extremely favorable conditions. A 100 foot water depth, filled to the maximum with coccospheres, would only generate a thickness of six feet of chalk!
@micah1116 The four hundred feet of chalk of the Austin formation would require 66 such blooms. If it required two weeks between each bloom to recharge the nutrients and one week for the bloom to occur, it would take 4 years to deposit the chalk. And these values are wildly optimistic for the deposition of chalk. This size bloom is not possible. The amount of carbonate required would be toxic to everything else in the water. And this is just one formation.
@micah1116 So rather than provide data and refute my evidence you run to AiG? Funny shit, that. I'll check it out. But are you ready to look at some salt and pollen data?
@micah1116 Had a chance to to read and fully understand that AiG link. It seems that they agree with old-earthers for the mechanisms but for one little factor-deposition rate. Stokes Law holds regardless of what portion of the bible you might read. in fact, the rate will only be at it's highest in totally calm conditions (lateral motion from, oh say, a flood, slows the rate). So, once again, FAIL. I'd have given you points for trying, except you didn't think through the data. (continued)
@micah1116 Now it's my turn: The Opeche Shale, a formation that streches from the Dakotas to Texas is of Permian age and has an interesting feature near the center: salt. The area of salt deposition is 188400 sq km with a max thickness of 91 meters at the center. Dividing by 2 to get an average of 45 m, you are left with approx 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl. The density of salt is 2160 kg/cu m, so this equates to 540k cu km of seawater. (continued)
@micah1116 So, to evaporate this much water requires an input of heat energy, 10^24 joules. That much heat energy is enough to reaise the earth's atmosphere to more than 100 deg C, twice over! Noah et al would've been cooked like a loberster in a pot. Now consider that this is just one formation. For example, under Detroit there is over 1600 feet of Salina salt in a formation streching from Ontario to Kentucky. Just too much heat.
@NorthForkFisherman So if it was too hot and this happened, why didn't everything die? Aren't you saying it got this hot in the past? The rock layers form under water, sediments stack up. Why didn't all marine life die? Surely fish would die with a jolt of heat like that.
@micah1116 Wrong. The total heat remains the same, that's a fuction of the chemistry involved. It's the rate that becomes the variable. More heat=less time, and vice versa. Terrencje has a great collection of videos that cover these particular issues that YECers aviod: watch?v=cKnMorRj00s So, would you like to look at some pollen data now?
@micah1116 Of course, none of this matters with out data to back it up: Wilgus, Cheryl K. and William T. Holser, 1984. "Marine and Nonmarine Salts of Western Interior, United States," AAPG Bulletin. p. 765-766, and for the chemistry info, feel free to refer to any college chemistry text. It'll have all the table for heat of formation and evaporative processes. And this is just one evaporite deposit we've examined. BTW 3100ft NaCl under Detroit is the correct data.
@Lawlzerzzz LOL! Typical misinformation. Mt everest didn't exist until after the flood, there were probably very few mountains, the bible says the mountains arose during the flood, your assuming mt everest was around 4,000 years ago. Next, most of the water came from within the earth, a small percentage of it was rain. The bible says the fountains of the deep broke open. Ever seen the mid atlantic ridge? There's still water coming out of this giant crack that covers the entire planet.
@micah1116 Oh your bible says all that? Well that's funny, cause my geology textbook says Mt. Everest was formed about 60 million years ago. Looks like we have quite a discrepancy here. I'll go with my book -- the one that actually forms its opinions on evidence and not faith. See, that is how logical people come to conclusions. It's called the scientific method. Reseach it; it may help you.
@Lawlzerzzz Show me your best evidence of that claim. And please explain how there are thousands of giant clams and sea shells on top of mount everest while your at it. Actually they are on top of every mountain range in the world, supporting the claim that the mountains arose during the flood.
@gregrutz I find it funny how your troll around and comment on every video I comment on, yet your too afraid to actually debate me in skype about it. So, I'll extend the offer again. Your assuming the water was salt water to begin with. From what I've heard you can transition freshwater fish to saltwater in a tank in 10 years, by slowly increasing the salinity to what it is in the ocean, and the fish have no problem. Evos claim this transition took thousands of years, you guys make me laugh.
@micah1116 in skype, what the shit is that. There is nothing to debate, geologists proved there was never a flood. The first people to look realized it was just a story. 200 years ago, try and keep up
The saltwater fish would have all died in the fresh rain or all the mud in the water. Silly story.
@gregrutz LOL. So there wasn't a flood, yet the earth is covered in an average of a half mile of sedimentary rock which forms in moving water, and inside this rock there are trillions of fossils of organisms that got buried quickly, and 95% of these fossils are marine fossils, but nope there wasn't a flood because you said so. Do you see why evolution is so silly? You have to be smarter than this. Either debate me in skype or stop trolling me, and you can figure out what skype is.
@gregrutz I'll just assume you have a learning disability and cut you a break. There are secular sources that say 1.55 KM, which one do you prefer 1/2 mile or 1.55 KM? Secondly, do you even know how sandstone forms? This is so hilarious, you know that not only does it form by wind, but it also forms in water and I would safely assume that most sandstone is marine sandstone. Secondly the footprints in the formation prove it was formed in water, maybe you should take a look at those, lol.
@micah1116 Marine Sandstone??!!?? That's funny. What about the desert animal fossils in it? Nice try but the fossils prove you wrong again. Those pesky fossils, no wonder creationist won't look at them.
@gregrutz what fossils? Amphibian tetrapods? What about the footprints? Secondly, I'm talking about the entire planet, ofcourse aeolian processes occur. Is it logical to think that footprints would remain in sand?
@Lawlzerzzz i dunno, because the theology and concepts pf the bible are, whether you like it or not is integral to our culture. and some people want to dig into the bible dechipher it
devbates over biblical areas occur all the time, this is fine, itsdone using references to research, and expiditions, its not a sermon, its a logical debate. which is fine by me, the more discussion on all topics means you learn more.
@elgostine ''itsdone using references to research, and expiditions'' WHAT? They all have only one souce, the bible. It was divinely inspired and they still can't agree as to what it say.
@gregrutz well the original source is the bible true, but curious people wanted to find it,
like david rohl tried to correlate passages to reallife sites to the location of the garden of eden,
they have sources, i.e information from archaeological digs such as the egyptian stele mentioning israel. that sort of thing. these guys arnt exactly going at this blind.
theyre following the same technique Heinrich Schliemann and arthur evans used to discover troy and the minoan palace at knossos
@elgostine But in the end, it's quite irrelevant. As the "Noachian Flood" never occurred, there is no ark. Now the bible my make an excellent resource for data like the Illiad did, it is not a geology textbook. Simply stated, the rock record shows no such thing happened.
@elgostine But logic and the YECer have very little to do with each other. I understand what you are getting at, and really this is an issue that has been answered with an examination of the epic of Gilgamesh I believe. My forte is geology more than ancient texts so I can only go from that, and as such, it's just that the evidence directly shows no global flood. I'm sure that local and regional floods have gotten conflated thru time, but the literal interpretation of Genesis is clearly wrong.
@NorthForkFisherman ill def agree with the first point, some of them are quite skilled and intelligent, but embracing an idea of faith and trying to passs offas science is really a bad idea.
i heard theres a recording by one pastor who contends the original hebrew doesnt neccessarily indicate a global flood in the first place, by saying the word trandlated as 'earth' or the earth in the KJ version really should read the land i,.e the land their living in.
@elgostine And that certainly does seem to be much more of an accurate way to view the world. It's only recently that most people would have the means to venture more than 25 miles from their place of birth. And consider, if the original telling comes from the flooding of the Black Sea in Paleolithic times what kind of impact that would make. Little wonder that it gets the "fish story" treatment with time. But for people to say that it's a literal part of history? Oy vey.
@NorthForkFisherman well the same recording suggests the flood occured in an area surrounded by mountains, with an aquifer that wasfairly easy to overflow.
@elgostine You might also want to read up on some of the flooding in the Oregon Scablands as well. Glacial dams collapsing and being rebuilt over time have created some fascinating geology in the American West. And the Ballard expeditions to the Black Sea have produced some interesting findings too. A great deal of human prehistory is lost on the continental shelves and in Beringia. And I'll check out that reference as well. Thank you.
@NorthForkFisherman " A great deal of human prehistory is lost on the continental shelves and in Beringia."
>There is no such thing as "HUMAN PREHISTORY".
The term jesuitical term "prehistoric" is fallacy, and a word created to indoctrinate a "fairy tale" time period in the minds of men.
The Jesuit Order's "pre-historic" hoax agenda originated in the early 1800's w/vatican shills Charles Lyell, the Darwin Boys - Erasmus & Charles and Sir Richard Owen who coined the word "dinosaur" in 1842.
@elgostine "look up Noah's flood wasn't worldwide - Pastor Bernard Comparet (Part 1) itsd interesting to lsten to"-NorthForkFishy
>For someone who's spent so much time trudging over the observable physical evidence of Judgement on foot, it amazes me that you can't see it.
Instead of "looking up" shit by "bernards" & getting pulled by your nose that you don't haven the liquid intelligence to see past, why not take your blinders off & LOOK at what's in front of you next time your out 'Scabing'.
"And consider, if the original telling comes from the flooding of the Black Sea in Paleolithic times what kind of impact that would make.-NorthDorkFishy
>And consider, if the original Jesuit Evolution Hoax theory comes from flooding false-science fabrications into the minds of men, what kind of impact that would make.-Wisdom
"Little wonder that it gets the "fish story" treatment with time"-N.D.F.
>Little wonder dimwits get "hooked" by evo-treatment with time.-WiseOne
@SpencerBenedict2nd Blanket statements made without proof are dismissed just as quickly. Additionally, arguments using ad hominem are also discarded. Since you seem to still have nothing further to say of any real import, or with any supporting data, you will be ignored.
@NorthForkFisherman "My forte is geology more than ancient texts"-NorthDorkFishy
>Let me tell you what your "forte" really is half-wit.
Your "forte" is Jesuit Geology.
A sub-"species" branch of geology that 'evolved' in the 1800s through the Jesuit infiltration of academia & incorporporation of the junk-science jesuit theory hoaxes of Charles Lyell, Erasmus Darwin & Richard Owen into the "education" system in order 2 undermine the biblical gospel truth of the historic account called Bible.
"I'm sure that local and regional floods have gotten conflated thru time, but the literal interpretation of Genesis is clearly wrong."-NorthDorkFishy
>I can assure you with 100% accuracy and certainty that the only thing thats been "conflated" thru time, is the moldy web of jesuit evo-deluding lies that make up the hopeless morass of your unmitigated brainwashed mind.
@elgostine "however, i do like people who go 'if this happened THIS is how it would occur, how far.... etc' and doing so in a logical way."-elgostine
>A very apt description for the deluded evolutionist indeed! THANKS FOR SHARING!.
@Lawlzerzzz "Why is it so hard for adult humans to let go of these myths? Even children can see through the BS of these Bronze Age stories."-Lawlzerzzz
>It is obvious your grey matter lacks in liquid intelligence and easily influenced. Do you have a history of getting pulled by the nose, believing everything you read? Be honest now.
The Mesopotamians agreed with the Hebrews: man was a sinner and the world was filled with much bloodshed and violence. They disagreed as to why. Before man was created the gods slew each other, raped goddesses, incest with mothers and daughters, lied, broke oaths. Man, made in the image of the gods, could be no different. Man was an immoral sinner because the gods were immoral sinners. The earth was full of violence and bloodshed before man's creation.
Enlil is outraged: all humans should be dead! Ishtar and Enki accuse Enlil of unjustly sending the flood, killing innocent humans. Enlil's punishment of man was unjust, too severe. A lighter punishment should have been executed. Enlil agrees with them. He blesses the Flood's survivor bestowing immortality on him and his wife. Story Moral: Unjust gods sent a flood to destroy innocent humankind protesting grievous toil in the gods' gardens of edin (edin is the uncultivated land of Sumer).
Enlil the god of Nippur had created man to replace the rebelling Igigi gods whose noise had been ignored by him night and day for 40 years protesting their grievous toil in his city-garden of edin. When man is created, the Igigi's noise is transferred to man. Man's noise is the protesting night and day of the grievous labor they bear in edin's garden at Nippur. Enlil sends the flood to destroy noisey man for violating his and other gods' rest.
The Mesopotamian flood account was a tongue-in-cheek satire on the gods' stupidity. The gods failed to realize if all mankind was destroyed no one would provide for the gods life's necessities: food, clothing, shelter. They grew hungry during the 7 day flood. Man's noise disturbing the gods' rest by day, sleep by night caused the flood to be sent. On the 7th day, all the gods rested, silence reigned, man's noise was gone, except for survivors on the boat. Hungry gods realized their error.
Why are so-called educated people here in the west still discussing this subject, it's 2011 & time to put these outdated myths to rest.
ACCSESS247 4 months ago 2
@ACCSESS247 Because most Americans are fawking ignorant.
Sevenfold120 3 months ago
There is not a NOAH'S flood!...The flood was DEUCALION FLOOD and happened in the Mediterranean ,and Aegean see!THAT'S THE REAL FLOOD!!!
nixter888 8 months ago
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@nixter888 "The flood was DEUCALION FLOOD and happened in the Mediterranean ,and Aegean see!THAT'S THE REAL FLOOD!!!"
>A localized flood of bunkum deluged your brain. You may want to adjust your levee gates to alleviate some of your indoctrinated delusions.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
THE FLOOD IN NOAH'S DAY WAS REGIONAL FROM EGYPT TO MT ARARAT IN TURKEY. It was not global. Noah was only the 10th generation of mankind, hardly enough time to populate the world. Moses said of it, THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS was flooded. Joshua wrote four times in chapter 24 saying ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD meaning people in his day knew where the boundaries of the flood was which they used to communciate boundaries. THE FLOOD WAS REGIONAL. Its not a myth. Search the Middle East.
MegaSage007 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 Joshua said THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
Flood is the old English King James version translation, it is a mistranslation in modern English.
Read the Biblical Hebrew Portal.
InternetDarkLord 8 months ago
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@InternetDarkLord
"Joshua said THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. Flood is the old English King James version translation, it is a mistranslation in modern English."-InternetDarkJesuit
>You know full well, you bible scholar jesuit cretin, that this passage of scripture is referring to the Euphrates River.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd So?
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
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@MegaSage007 "Joshua wrote four times in chapter 24 saying ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FLOOD meaning people in his day knew where the boundaries of the flood was which they used to communciate boundaries."-MegaDummy007
>Joshua is referring to the Euphrates River in this passage of Scripture.
"The other side of the flood" is talking about the boundary of the Euphrates.
The archaic word "flood" meaning river in these particular verses. -EVERYBODY PLEASE BE AWARE "MegaSage007" IS OUT TO DECEIVE.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
More absurdity:
Genesis says that the ark held 1 pair of each unclean, 7 of each clean animal, "male and female."
1. Some animals don't have 2 genders.
2. Everything would not only be inbred, unclean would be 7 times as inbred. Any evidence?
InternetDarkLord 9 months ago
@InternetDarkLord more absurd is you thinking that genesis is saying that Noah should bring every species on the face of the planet on the ark. obviously it was a localized flood so Noah would have brought the animals around him for both consumption on the ark, and for the animal sacrifice that genesis describes after the flood. Also, if you used common sense you would know that obviously Noah wasn't scouting around for every minute animal, including the ones that dont have genders. sighh...
jamaicanification 9 months ago
@jamaicanification No, many religious fanatics insist the Flood was literal and global, those are the people I am addressing. Tell Behe, Hovind, Ham.....that the flood was local.
Speaking of common sense, why build an ark or save any animals from a local flood? Common sense says you can walk to safety!
InternetDarkLord 9 months ago
@InternetDarkLord when i say localized i mean in the region. And why not build a boat if the whole region might be flooded?
jamaicanification 7 months ago
@jamaicanification What evidence is there that the flood was localized? And why build a boat if you can just walk to safety? Migration would be easier. And creationists like Hovind say the flood was global, not me.
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
@InternetDarkLord well stop listening to creationists like hovind. They dont represent the majority opinion. There are many people for instance that happen to be atheists that believe an alien is held in area 51. Should i listen to them and say that represents atheism? No i would be ignorant to do that. And the evidence is from the fact that that region has had a series of localized floods to the overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates
jamaicanification 7 months ago
@jamaicanification Actually, there are millions of people in America who believe the global flood was real, they probably are a majority of American Christians. That is why I battle them.
InternetDarkLord 7 months ago
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@InternetDarkLord Put 'em up, put 'em up! Which one of you first? I'll fight you both together if you want. I'll fight you with one paw tied behind my back. I can fight you standing on one foot. I can fight you with my eyes closed. Oh, pull an axe on me, eh? Sneaking up on me, eh? Why, I'll... Ruff!
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd paranoid schizophrenia
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
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@jamaicanification
"And the evidence is from the fact that that region has had a series of localized floods to the overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates"-jamaicanificationBYweed
>If you put down your jamaican blunt and let your eyes clear, you may then be able to see "the fact" the the "region" stretches across the entire globe. (Lol, and shaking my head at the ignorance of people)
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@InternetDarkLord
"What evidence is there that the flood was localized?"-InternetDarkJesuit
>None, when geologists take off there tunnel vision blinders & proceed to gaze across the entire surface of the globe. (Lol, & shaking my head at the ignorance of people)
"And why build a boat if you can just walk to safety? Migration would be easier."-InternetDarkJesuit
>Dohh, 'dats a gud one!
"And creationists like Hovind say the flood was global, not me."-InternetDarkJesuit
>",not me."- Dohh!
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@SpencerBenedict2nd paranoid schizophrenia
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
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@InternetDarkLord "Speaking of common sense, why build an ark or save any animals from a local flood? Common sense says you can walk to safety!"-InternetDarkJESUIT
>Good 'ol "common sense", doesn't seem to very common these days! - EVERYBODY BE AWARE - "InternetDarklord" - IS OUT TO DECEIVE-
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd So answer the question.
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
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@InternetDarkLord
"1. Some animals don't have 2 genders."-InternetDarkJESUIT
>Some animals TODAY don't. But who's to say this was the case four thousand years ago?
"2. Everything would not only be inbred, unclean would be 7 times as inbred."-InternetDarkJESUIT
>The Animals On The Arc Weren't Related. Who told you they were BROTHERS & SISTERS, dummy? ( ( ( ( - EVERYBODY BE AWARE - "InternetDarklord" - IS OUT TO DECEIVE - ) ) ) )
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Bull Shit, I never said the animals on the ark were related, I said their descendants would be.
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
@InternetDarkLord Well their descendants wouldnt be able to propagate with their sisters and brothers right?
Sevenfold120 3 months ago
@Sevenfold120 Insert a hillbilly joke! I guess they could marry relatives, but the inbreeding would be amazing! DNA today would show the results.
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
@InternetDarkLord DNA today shows we (homo-sapians) are descended from at the very least 10,000 people not from a couple on Noahs Ark. DNA would clearly show evidence for Noahs Ark. But it doesnt. It shows the opposite. Same for other animals in order for the animals to interbreed there would need to be a high mutation rate which we would still have today.
Sevenfold120 3 months ago
@Sevenfold120 Don't forget, Genesis said the ark had 7 pairs of clean animals, but only 4 pairs of humans. LOL! We would be more inbred than many farm animals!
InternetDarkLord 3 months ago
Proof of the flood=
1.all geology is caused by water, even crossbedded sandstone and ash.
2.the animals ran half way up the hill, all fossils are found on the sides of hills.
3.there are shells on the top of the mountain, Closed shells OMG
4.they have found at least 6 Arks, one must be Noah's.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz 1. Some sedimentary rock is not formed by water.
2. Many fossils are not on hills.
3. Tectonic uplift.
4. Which one?
5. Are you a Poe?
InternetDarkLord 5 months ago
" I don't know .. I wasn't there " - :)) this guy is for real ?!?! :))), oooo yeah .. and " Christian missionaries telling about the flood "
eminescinescu 1 year ago
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there was no need to cover mt evrest fool no one lived there. trhe mountains that got covered were the ones that held animals and humans that needed to be destroyed. other animals might have been guided to cetrain mountains to live allowed. now do the math sherlock.
tdaonline 1 year ago
the ark's dimentions is way to small for it to hold all it's supposed to do along with food and water for all onboard, and to make a ship big enoth to hold all that would be to big, it would crush itself by it's extreme weight, and to be able to build it in that timeframe you would need the help of the whole country or superman. it's just impossible, and if it now happend then all life on the planet is inbreed freaks against nature, there is more as well making noah's ark impossible
Theldras 1 year ago
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@Theldras Its obvious your research has been minimal at best.
"The ark's dimentions is way to small for it to hold all it's supposed to do along with food and water for all onboard,"-Theldras
>The arc of Noah had a space capacity of 560 railroad cattle cars; # of animals aboard 16,000 (approx.); animals took up 36% of arc space, leaving plenty for supplies, food/water.
"and to be able to build it in that timeframe you would need..."-Theldras
>What? 90 or 120 years isn't long enough?
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@Theldras
"and if it now happend then all life on the planet is inbreed freaks against nature, there is more as well making noah's ark impossible"-Thaldras
>Where do you get this bunkum? Who tells you this garbage and more importantly why do you suck it up and believe it? -There was no "inbreeding". There may be inbred freaks like you running around today spouting nonsense, but that has nothing to do with the first humans or animals.
Adam & Eve were not brother and sister dumb ass. (sigh)
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
How come no one has yet to find any sort of construction site for the ark. The ark would have been huge required alot of materials . And wherever it was supposed to build would have let some sort materials behind like tools and tents and some sort of frame used to help hold the ark together as it was being build. Yet christians don't have anything close to anything of these things to support the ark story.
DoktorSick 1 year ago
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@DoktorSick
"How come no one has yet to find any sort of construction site for the ark."-DoktorSick
>Do you actually think that if the real arc of Noah were ever found (which it likely has), it's discovery would actually be aired on network news or ever published? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
You must not have a clue of the nature of world machinations and who controls the "spin". If you only knew what's going on.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
You guys will believe the history books that are taught in school, but you do not receive the Bible? How? Were you there when Abe Lincoln was elected President of the United States? No, but you believe it because of documentation and first hand witnesses passing down writings. What do you think the Bible is??
spacitydrummer4JC 1 year ago
@spacitydrummer4JC It has nothing to do with actually being there ! Are you really that much of a moron. It's about credible sources and evidence to supports whether or not abe lincoln existed. There is a wealth of credible evidence to support that in fact abe lincoln did in fact exist. There pictures ,government documents etc etc. There is nothing to support that noah or his ark ever existed.
DoktorSick 1 year ago
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@DoktorSick
"There is a wealth of credible evidence to support that in fact abe lincoln did in fact exist. There pictures government documents etc etc. There is nothing to support that noah or his ark ever existed."-DoktorSick
>You want proof of the arc? Just look in a mirror and pinch yourself and there you have your proof. Your "existence" is proof and "support that noah or his ark ever existed".
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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the holy ghost came to me last night, (or maybe it was the tooth fairy, it was dark i couldn't tell for sure.) anyway he said in a deep echoing voice.
"go out and spread the word of BOB." BOB i said, he said "yes, spread the word of BOB." so i said "i'm ready, i'm ready." he said "that's perfect." then he disappeared back into the closet.. oh man, that;s one crazy ghost.
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
Hm, yeh. I'll buy the Noah's Ark story as litteral. God isn't in the business of writing books. -_- I mean, c'mon. about 300 flood myths and legends all dating around 6,000 years ago? I bet it happened after the melt-down of the last Ice Age (10,000 yrs ago.)
MrZetterlund777 1 year ago
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@MrZetterlund777
"God isn't in the business of writing books."-MrZ
>No, I'm sure he's not. But i am just as sure that He saw to it, that it would be at the very top of the world wide Best Seller list.
" I mean, c'mon. about 300 flood myths and legends all dating around 6,000 years ago?"-MrZ
>4,359 years ago & 1 Account
"I bet it happened after the melt-down of the last Ice Age (10,000 yrs ago.)"-MrZ
>"Ice Ages" are a myth. The polar ice caps are a consequence of the 2348 BC deluge event.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
The flood is nonsense: Genesis is is fiction, allegory. From the 106 schools that make up the " Christian College Coalition" only 5 teach that Genesis has to be taken litterally and that the "global flood" really happened.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon
"From the 106 schools that make up the " Christian College Coalition" only 5 teach that Genesis has to be taken litterally and that the "global flood" really happened."-lizaloon
>And do you know who's been in charge of this Movement?
Answer: the Jesuit Order
And would you like to know the reason why they are directing it and society into this direction?
EVERYONE should be Asking this Question and Wanting to Know. ANYONE that is, who still cares about FREEDOM and their Families.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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Noah's Ark????? hilarious. What, did he then get a jet plane to Australia and collect all the marsupials and then take them all back again after the flood?
Did Noah go to the Gallapagos islands and gather all those different unique species of finch? And then take them back again?
Only a REAL moron could think this was true.
TheMonkeetimes 1 year ago
Noah`s Ark is childish nonsense. One of the great miracles of modern times, that there are still supposedly educated people who still believe this nonsense happened.
lizazoon 1 year ago
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@lizazoon "Noah`s Ark is childish nonsense."-lizaloon
>Those well placed cartoonish storybook depictions of Noah hanging up on your grade school walls on a little bitty toy boat stuffed full of cartoon character animal heads stretching out little cubby hole windows had a tremendous impact on your innocent undeveloped sponge-like mind, DIDN'T IT?
Ahh yes, the power of suggestion on the young lingers long.
"One of the great miracles of modern times there are still supposedly educated people..."
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
You don't need an event for a legend to be created. There is no need for a flood at all.
amaxamon 2 years ago
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@amaxamon "You don't need an event for a legend to be created. There is no need for a flood at all."-amaxamon
>"It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings (over 25,000) have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
-Dr. Nelson Glueck
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
Watch "the Truth Behind Noah's Ark" It is JUST A STORY!!! All just BS!!!
xebraone 2 years ago
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@xebraone
"Watch "the Truth Behind Noah's Ark" It is JUST A STORY!!!"-xebrain
>"I know of no finding in archaeology that`s properly confirmed which is in opposition to the Scriptures. The Bible is the most accurate history textbook the world has ever seen."
-Dr Clifford Wilson, director of the Australian Institute of Archaeology
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
Find out what REALLY destroyed the ancient Earth and what these "flood" stories are really all about. This is something that neither geologists or religious folks do not want you to see.
visit BEHOLDGIANTSDOTCOM
BEHOLDGIANTSDOTCOM 2 years ago
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cnhatton 2 years ago
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NEITHER of them DO NOT want us to see this? So then they both want us to see it?
cnhatton 2 years ago
What is the name of the flood layer of mud and bones?
gregrutz 2 years ago
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Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Blessings
Thanks Ben
2besavedcom 2 years ago
Animals the God wanted on the otherside of the flood obeyed Gods voice and entered the ark. Simple but true.
Why do you think dinosaurs are found, fossiled. God did not choose these animals to remain alive after the flood. They would, of course, terrorize the people.
Splovengates7 2 years ago
Stop, you can't be that stupid. Dinosaurs died millions of years before people existed. Just stop being an idiot and read a science book or watch the Discovery channel.
mjn132 2 years ago
I told you before, Natl Geo, Discovery etc are way of base. Earth is NOT millions of years old. But only about 6000 years old.
Splovengates7 2 years ago
All science and evidence we have today points to the Earth being BILLIONS of years old. There is not a single shred of evidence that even suggests the Earth is 6000 years old.
dakotadenverdexter 2 years ago
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@dakotadenverdexter A LESSON IN JESUITRY
"All science and evidence we have today points to the Earth being BILLIONS of years old."-deludeddakota
>CORRECTION: All JESUIT sponsored junk-science Evo-Hoaxes and fabricated evidence points minds into believing "the Earth being BILLIONS of years old" fairy tale.
There is not a single shred of evidence that even suggests the Earth is "BILLIONS" years old.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@Splovengates7 - all the relevant sciences have confirmed the earth is nearly 5 billion years old. That is a fact.
Only your faith says otherwise, as there is no supporting evidence. Get with the program.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
@LiamXaoh •Cmon my brother, Science today exclude God and the Bible out of the geological picture.
When you do that, of course youre going to come up with some outrageous figures.
I also realize that most people dont believe the way I believe but there is a sizeable amount who do, as you can see on UTube. I pays to check out both sides of the coin. Somebody is lying and somebody is telling the truth.
If you want to learn from God, PRAY. Ask for wisdom. Not as the world gives
Splovengates7 1 year ago
@Splovengates7 - to be accurate science excludes those claims that are better explained by other means. Go & talk to a geologist about HOW they determine things. The methods are very robust and there are numerous cross checks. The bible viewpoint is it all happened & no other arguments are valid, regardless of evidence to the contrary.
The number of people who believe in something is not the same as the weight of opposing evidence.
"Lying for God" is what creationism is about.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
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@LiamXaoh "The number of people who believe in something is not the same as the weight of opposing evidence."-LiamX
>The fact remains that 2 this day, science hasn't found any "opposing evidence".
-The only thing "Science" has that opposes any gospel truth of the historical biblical account of earths history, is empty & false theories created under the direction of the Jesuit Order for the Roman papal Caesar dynasty seeking global dominion to rule the hearts & minds of men and lord over Man.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@LiamXaoh
"Go & talk to a geologist about HOW they determine things."-LiamX
They say the only real scientist is a peer reviewed one. And what is a peer? Why a peer is anyone who believes in a particular “ism” as deeply as you do. “Peer review” is nothing more than a pat on the back from those who share your deeply held religious beliefs. You see, if you deny global warming then you are not a peer. Only those scientists who agree are credible “peers”. That is how we get “junk science.”
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@LiamXaoh
"Lying for God" is what creationism is about."-LiamX
>And protecting the Jesuit created false evolution theory cash cow is what the wrecking of ethics in the science community is about.
And too, the jesuit Global Warming Hoax? Follow the money. Science is for sale. Pass the offering plate.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
there is evidence...you get with the program
it has been presented publically as well....infact ryt here on YouTube, if you bother to search you will find it
kccalden 1 year ago
@kccalden - all the 'evidence" is faith based. The evidence you speak of requires divine intervention and the suspension of the laws of physics. Any twat can preach facts on YT. I have invisible pet unicorns - disprove it.
I live in the real world you live in the world of faith. Get over it.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
sorry dude...i did some fact checks and found out that it was all BS,
i guess guys talk trash on YT
but one thing i will say, i once was an atheist....i tried out church and it worked 4 me, thats all
kccalden 1 year ago
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LiamXaoh 1 year ago
@LiamXaoh oops. I meant to say "live in a world of facts" not "like in a world...". I was tired and that's my excuse for shite spelling.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
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@kccalden Keep the faith! and peace to you.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@LiamXaoh "all the 'evidence" is faith based."-LiamX
>Are you saying it takes faith in order to believe there is a Grand Canyon? It takes "faith" to believe there is an Ayers Rock? It takes "faith" to believe there is a Monument Valley? It takes "faith" to believe if Tree Ring Record data? It takes "faith" to believe the fossil record deposit by rapid burial? It takes "faith" to believe in the world's Coal & Oil Deposits?
I live in the real world you live in the world of faith. Get over it.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@LiamXaoh
"I have invisible pet unicorns - disprove it."-Liam
>Don't confuse the horse "unicorn" fairy tale depictions of the Brothers Grimm or in the paintings of the Brothers Hildebrand, with the extinct (non-horse) animal called unicorn in the historical account found in the biblical record. It is not uncommon in that people often mistakenly do.
Hope this helps clear up any confusion you may have. peace
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@LiamXaoh
"all the relevant sciences have confirmed the earth is nearly 5 billion years old."-LiamX
>CORRECTION: All the junk-science created under Jesuit direction, using the false theory hoaxes ofVatican shills Charles Lyell, Erasmus & Charles Darwin and Richard Owen have confirmed these lies of deception in the minds of millions that the earth is nearly 5 billion years old.
And the purpose of this jesuitical manipulation? To undermine the bible in the minds of Man and rid the world of God.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@mjn132
"Dinosaurs died millions of years before people existed."-mjn132
>If this were so, then answer why fossilized human footprints are found in Texan creek beds, right alongside dinosaur tracks?
"read a science book or watch the Discovery channel."-mjn132
>Stop! you can't be that stupid.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
Just like unicorns!
jeans1515 2 years ago
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@jeans1515 "Just like unicorns!"-jeans1515(duped/blind/ignorance)
New Living Translation (©2007)
Can you hitch a wild ox to a plow? Will it plow a field for you?
King James Bible
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
American Standard Version
Canst thou bind the wild-ox with his band in the furrow? Or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
King James version transalates "the unicorn" - ראים reeym, perhaps here, the ox or buffalo.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@Splovengates7
"Animals the God wanted on the otherside of the flood obeyed Gods voice and entered the ark. Simple but true."-Sploven
>Nearly spot on. Except God set to have every single one of his creations saved.
"Why do you think dinosaurs are found, fossiled. God did not choose these animals to remain alive after the flood. They would, of course, terrorize the people."-Sploven
>The biblical account says "every". Post-flood conditions & man drove most so-called "dinosaurs" in2 extinction
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
where?
TGGeko 2 years ago
how could it have lasted so long without disintegrating.. *facepalm*
YourDarkAccomplice 2 years ago
No the ark was not found. As if a world shaking artifact would be reported on some internet blog or trailer trash church and ignored by the world community of archeologists. Sure it has been claimed to be found, by many people in many locations, but not one claim has ever held up to scrutiny by even trained religious archeologists or scientists.
sgmarshall 2 years ago 9
@sgmarshall The negro churches are just as bad.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
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@sgmarshall "As if a world shaking artifact would be reported on some internet blog..."-sgmarshall
>If arc of Noah were ever located (which it likely has), the last place it would ever be reported is on Network news or World news. The discovery wouldn't even reach as far as the editors desk.
(people don't have a clue as to the structured nature of the world in which we exist or even the vaguest idea of What's Going On?)
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
where, when, and whom by ?
mcshundess 2 years ago
No, it was not.
rabbitt1979 2 years ago
how could the koalas get to the ark without a compass?
And since they don't have passports, how could they travel by airplane?
Anyway I hope they packed their carry-on with enough gum leaves in case they got hungry.
ukidding 2 years ago
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@ukidding
"how could the koalas get to the ark without a compass?-ukidding?
>Dummy, Because todays oceans were created by and comprised of the 2348 B.C. Deluge water, Australia did not exist as an island continent pre-flood.
So all these common fantastic notions that the koalas and kangaroos had to swim to the Arc of Noah is pure nonsense and short=sighted malarky by folks who do not possess the mental acuity to see past their nose.
There were no land divides- all animal reps were close.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
There is nothing funnier (or scarier?) than watching GROWN men debate about the existence of Noah's Ark and the flood. Why is it so hard for adult humans to let go of these myths? Even children can see through the BS of these Bronze Age stories.
Lawlzerzzz 2 years ago 24
it's not that people are stupid, it's that people want to believe.
tommo1313 2 years ago
@tommo1313 "it's not that people are stupid, it's that people want to believe."-tommo1313
>No, it is that people are stupid. Because their brains have been filled w/the junk-science theory hoaxes created by the Jesuit Order which spread like a virus in the early 1800's through the halls & rooms of Academia, indoctrinating the minds of millions w/a contrived "prehistoric" fairy tale world.
The mind of an evolutionist has been brainwashed into believing in a story book world that never existed.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@Lawlzerzzz "Why is it so hard for adult humans to let go of these myths? "
Same stupid attitude was hold by some archeologists about Jericho or Mount Sinai until strong evidence was found.
mcfunthomas 1 year ago
@mcfunthomas
Actually, in the times of Joshua, Jericho wasn't actually there. It had already been abandoned. The bible places the battle around 1400 BCE; the abandoment of the city took place before 1600 BCE.
Never heard about evidence of a significant event at Mr Sinai, though.
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago
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@laflugantabastardo "the abandoment of the city took place before 1600 BCE."
Where to find the dating?
"Never heard about evidence of a significant event at Mr Sinai, though."
I found some vids here on YT. For example "Revealing God's Treasure - Mt. Sinai".
mcfunthomas 1 year ago
@Lawlzerzzz "Even children can see through the BS of these Bronze Age stories."
This is so called ARGUMENTUM AD RIDICULUM. Mustn't be accepted. Why thumb it up? Ridiculous.
mcfunthomas 1 year ago
@Lawlzerzzz Actually it's not myth. This entire planet is covered in a 1/2 mile of sedimentary rock containing trillions of fossils, sedimentary rock only forms under water! Watch a video series called drama in the rock on youtube.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 Or you could actually look at the rock layers yourself and see that the creationists are lying to you. I could cover a huge number of data points that show the fact that a global flood did not happen, but the quickest and easiest way is to discuss salt. Shall I continue?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Sure, Also explain how trillions of marine organisms are buried in solid rock where there isn't a drop of water.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 Glad you asked! The vast majority of these deposits form limestone which is composed of coccolithophores ( a type of marine plankton). As an example, Austin Chalk, which underlies Dallas, is a 400-foot thick limestone bed made of the remains of microscopic animals, called coccolithophores or coccoliths. It is about 70% coccoliths. The coccolithophore is a small spherical animal, between 5 and 60 micrometers in diameter, each having about 16 coccoliths that separate upon the death.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 @micah1116 According to Stokes Law these animals would fall through the water at a rate of .1 millimeter per second. To fall through a 100 foot (33 meter) depth of water would take 4 days. The time required to form the Austin Chalk is far longer than one year. The coccolith skeleton, when pressed flat, is about 1 micron or one millionth of a meter thick. A deposit of coccoliths 400 feet thick must represent many thousands of years of deposits.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 One hundred twenty-one million coccoliths could be stacked up like coins across the four hundred feet. Now conditions such as a red tide could produce enough coccolithophores to produce a layer under extremely favorable conditions. A 100 foot water depth, filled to the maximum with coccospheres, would only generate a thickness of six feet of chalk!
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 The four hundred feet of chalk of the Austin formation would require 66 such blooms. If it required two weeks between each bloom to recharge the nutrients and one week for the bloom to occur, it would take 4 years to deposit the chalk. And these values are wildly optimistic for the deposition of chalk. This size bloom is not possible. The amount of carbonate required would be toxic to everything else in the water. And this is just one formation.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman I'm sending you a link.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 So rather than provide data and refute my evidence you run to AiG? Funny shit, that. I'll check it out. But are you ready to look at some salt and pollen data?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 Had a chance to to read and fully understand that AiG link. It seems that they agree with old-earthers for the mechanisms but for one little factor-deposition rate. Stokes Law holds regardless of what portion of the bible you might read. in fact, the rate will only be at it's highest in totally calm conditions (lateral motion from, oh say, a flood, slows the rate). So, once again, FAIL. I'd have given you points for trying, except you didn't think through the data. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 Now it's my turn: The Opeche Shale, a formation that streches from the Dakotas to Texas is of Permian age and has an interesting feature near the center: salt. The area of salt deposition is 188400 sq km with a max thickness of 91 meters at the center. Dividing by 2 to get an average of 45 m, you are left with approx 9 trillion cu meters of NaCl. The density of salt is 2160 kg/cu m, so this equates to 540k cu km of seawater. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 So, to evaporate this much water requires an input of heat energy, 10^24 joules. That much heat energy is enough to reaise the earth's atmosphere to more than 100 deg C, twice over! Noah et al would've been cooked like a loberster in a pot. Now consider that this is just one formation. For example, under Detroit there is over 1600 feet of Salina salt in a formation streching from Ontario to Kentucky. Just too much heat.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman So if it was too hot and this happened, why didn't everything die? Aren't you saying it got this hot in the past? The rock layers form under water, sediments stack up. Why didn't all marine life die? Surely fish would die with a jolt of heat like that.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 Wrong. The total heat remains the same, that's a fuction of the chemistry involved. It's the rate that becomes the variable. More heat=less time, and vice versa. Terrencje has a great collection of videos that cover these particular issues that YECers aviod: watch?v=cKnMorRj00s So, would you like to look at some pollen data now?
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 All saltwater fish and whales would have died in the fresh water rain. It didn't happen.
gregrutz 1 year ago
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@micah1116 Of course, none of this matters with out data to back it up: Wilgus, Cheryl K. and William T. Holser, 1984. "Marine and Nonmarine Salts of Western Interior, United States," AAPG Bulletin. p. 765-766, and for the chemistry info, feel free to refer to any college chemistry text. It'll have all the table for heat of formation and evaporative processes. And this is just one evaporite deposit we've examined. BTW 3100ft NaCl under Detroit is the correct data.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@micah1116 Here is a fairly convincing, easy-to-follow argument against the flood using math alone. I suggest you watch it: watch?v=5svTzxVa-xQ
Lawlzerzzz 1 year ago
@Lawlzerzzz LOL! Typical misinformation. Mt everest didn't exist until after the flood, there were probably very few mountains, the bible says the mountains arose during the flood, your assuming mt everest was around 4,000 years ago. Next, most of the water came from within the earth, a small percentage of it was rain. The bible says the fountains of the deep broke open. Ever seen the mid atlantic ridge? There's still water coming out of this giant crack that covers the entire planet.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 Oh your bible says all that? Well that's funny, cause my geology textbook says Mt. Everest was formed about 60 million years ago. Looks like we have quite a discrepancy here. I'll go with my book -- the one that actually forms its opinions on evidence and not faith. See, that is how logical people come to conclusions. It's called the scientific method. Reseach it; it may help you.
Lawlzerzzz 1 year ago
@Lawlzerzzz Show me your best evidence of that claim. And please explain how there are thousands of giant clams and sea shells on top of mount everest while your at it. Actually they are on top of every mountain range in the world, supporting the claim that the mountains arose during the flood.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 There are no “shells on the tops of mountains”,
The whole top of the mountain is an OLD SEABED.
Plate Tectonics pushed the sea floor up and erosion made it into mountains.
And reefs did not grow in just a few months during a muddy flood.
Also, Floods don’t make distinct layers of different kinds of rocks with different fossils in them, which is what we find in nature.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I find it funny how your troll around and comment on every video I comment on, yet your too afraid to actually debate me in skype about it. So, I'll extend the offer again. Your assuming the water was salt water to begin with. From what I've heard you can transition freshwater fish to saltwater in a tank in 10 years, by slowly increasing the salinity to what it is in the ocean, and the fish have no problem. Evos claim this transition took thousands of years, you guys make me laugh.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 in skype, what the shit is that. There is nothing to debate, geologists proved there was never a flood. The first people to look realized it was just a story. 200 years ago, try and keep up
The saltwater fish would have all died in the fresh rain or all the mud in the water. Silly story.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz LOL. So there wasn't a flood, yet the earth is covered in an average of a half mile of sedimentary rock which forms in moving water, and inside this rock there are trillions of fossils of organisms that got buried quickly, and 95% of these fossils are marine fossils, but nope there wasn't a flood because you said so. Do you see why evolution is so silly? You have to be smarter than this. Either debate me in skype or stop trolling me, and you can figure out what skype is.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 '''yet the earth is covered in an average of a half mile of sedimentary rock which forms in moving water''
IT IS ?!? Who told you that??? Maybe you should go outside more often, and read a Geology book.
What good would it do to debate you if you come up with silly crap like this.
The Coconino Sandstone, the third layer down in the Grand Canyon, is from wind blown, desert sands.
We know this from the fossils in it. There are 44 Distinct layers of DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROCK.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I'll just assume you have a learning disability and cut you a break. There are secular sources that say 1.55 KM, which one do you prefer 1/2 mile or 1.55 KM? Secondly, do you even know how sandstone forms? This is so hilarious, you know that not only does it form by wind, but it also forms in water and I would safely assume that most sandstone is marine sandstone. Secondly the footprints in the formation prove it was formed in water, maybe you should take a look at those, lol.
micah1116 1 year ago
@micah1116 Marine Sandstone??!!?? That's funny. What about the desert animal fossils in it? Nice try but the fossils prove you wrong again. Those pesky fossils, no wonder creationist won't look at them.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz what fossils? Amphibian tetrapods? What about the footprints? Secondly, I'm talking about the entire planet, ofcourse aeolian processes occur. Is it logical to think that footprints would remain in sand?
micah1116 1 year ago
@gregrutz sandstone can only be formed once sand has been compressed this either occurs through being under water, or under other terrestrial layers.
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine The third layer down in the Grand Canyon is sandstone from wind blown desert sand. And yes it is under other layers.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@Lawlzerzzz i dunno, because the theology and concepts pf the bible are, whether you like it or not is integral to our culture. and some people want to dig into the bible dechipher it
devbates over biblical areas occur all the time, this is fine, itsdone using references to research, and expiditions, its not a sermon, its a logical debate. which is fine by me, the more discussion on all topics means you learn more.
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine ''itsdone using references to research, and expiditions'' WHAT? They all have only one souce, the bible. It was divinely inspired and they still can't agree as to what it say.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz well the original source is the bible true, but curious people wanted to find it,
like david rohl tried to correlate passages to reallife sites to the location of the garden of eden,
they have sources, i.e information from archaeological digs such as the egyptian stele mentioning israel. that sort of thing. these guys arnt exactly going at this blind.
theyre following the same technique Heinrich Schliemann and arthur evans used to discover troy and the minoan palace at knossos
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine But in the end, it's quite irrelevant. As the "Noachian Flood" never occurred, there is no ark. Now the bible my make an excellent resource for data like the Illiad did, it is not a geology textbook. Simply stated, the rock record shows no such thing happened.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman i never said it did
however, i do like people who go
'if this happened THIS is how it would occur, how far it would cover etc' and doing so in a logical way.
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine But logic and the YECer have very little to do with each other. I understand what you are getting at, and really this is an issue that has been answered with an examination of the epic of Gilgamesh I believe. My forte is geology more than ancient texts so I can only go from that, and as such, it's just that the evidence directly shows no global flood. I'm sure that local and regional floods have gotten conflated thru time, but the literal interpretation of Genesis is clearly wrong.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman ill def agree with the first point, some of them are quite skilled and intelligent, but embracing an idea of faith and trying to passs offas science is really a bad idea.
i heard theres a recording by one pastor who contends the original hebrew doesnt neccessarily indicate a global flood in the first place, by saying the word trandlated as 'earth' or the earth in the KJ version really should read the land i,.e the land their living in.
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine And that certainly does seem to be much more of an accurate way to view the world. It's only recently that most people would have the means to venture more than 25 miles from their place of birth. And consider, if the original telling comes from the flooding of the Black Sea in Paleolithic times what kind of impact that would make. Little wonder that it gets the "fish story" treatment with time. But for people to say that it's a literal part of history? Oy vey.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman well the same recording suggests the flood occured in an area surrounded by mountains, with an aquifer that wasfairly easy to overflow.
elgostine 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman ill try and find it, its quite facinating'
elgostine 1 year ago
@elgostine You might also want to read up on some of the flooding in the Oregon Scablands as well. Glacial dams collapsing and being rebuilt over time have created some fascinating geology in the American West. And the Ballard expeditions to the Black Sea have produced some interesting findings too. A great deal of human prehistory is lost on the continental shelves and in Beringia. And I'll check out that reference as well. Thank you.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman " A great deal of human prehistory is lost on the continental shelves and in Beringia."
>There is no such thing as "HUMAN PREHISTORY".
The term jesuitical term "prehistoric" is fallacy, and a word created to indoctrinate a "fairy tale" time period in the minds of men.
The Jesuit Order's "pre-historic" hoax agenda originated in the early 1800's w/vatican shills Charles Lyell, the Darwin Boys - Erasmus & Charles and Sir Richard Owen who coined the word "dinosaur" in 1842.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman look up Noah's flood wasn't worldwide - Pastor Bernard Comparet (Part 1) itsd interesting to lsten to
elgostine 1 year ago
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@elgostine "look up Noah's flood wasn't worldwide - Pastor Bernard Comparet (Part 1) itsd interesting to lsten to"-NorthForkFishy
>For someone who's spent so much time trudging over the observable physical evidence of Judgement on foot, it amazes me that you can't see it.
Instead of "looking up" shit by "bernards" & getting pulled by your nose that you don't haven the liquid intelligence to see past, why not take your blinders off & LOOK at what's in front of you next time your out 'Scabing'.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman
"And consider, if the original telling comes from the flooding of the Black Sea in Paleolithic times what kind of impact that would make.-NorthDorkFishy
>And consider, if the original Jesuit Evolution Hoax theory comes from flooding false-science fabrications into the minds of men, what kind of impact that would make.-Wisdom
"Little wonder that it gets the "fish story" treatment with time"-N.D.F.
>Little wonder dimwits get "hooked" by evo-treatment with time.-WiseOne
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
@SpencerBenedict2nd Blanket statements made without proof are dismissed just as quickly. Additionally, arguments using ad hominem are also discarded. Since you seem to still have nothing further to say of any real import, or with any supporting data, you will be ignored.
NorthForkFisherman 6 months ago 3
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@elgostine
"by saying the word trandlated as 'earth' or the earth in the KJ version really should read the land i,.e the land their living in."-elgostine
>In what passage or verse do you refer? (thanks)
>
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@NorthForkFisherman "Logic" and minds heavily indoctrinated w/junk-science have very little to do w/each other.
"“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”-Communist dictator, Joseph Stalin (1934)
W/education being such a powerful weapon, it's not surprising Karl Marx's 10th plank of his Communist Manifesto called 4 a public school system.
(Exposing the evils of evolution & the fascist-style indoctrination of the public school system.)
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@NorthForkFisherman "My forte is geology more than ancient texts"-NorthDorkFishy
>Let me tell you what your "forte" really is half-wit.
Your "forte" is Jesuit Geology.
A sub-"species" branch of geology that 'evolved' in the 1800s through the Jesuit infiltration of academia & incorporporation of the junk-science jesuit theory hoaxes of Charles Lyell, Erasmus Darwin & Richard Owen into the "education" system in order 2 undermine the biblical gospel truth of the historic account called Bible.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@NorthForkFisherman
"I'm sure that local and regional floods have gotten conflated thru time, but the literal interpretation of Genesis is clearly wrong."-NorthDorkFishy
>I can assure you with 100% accuracy and certainty that the only thing thats been "conflated" thru time, is the moldy web of jesuit evo-deluding lies that make up the hopeless morass of your unmitigated brainwashed mind.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@elgostine "however, i do like people who go 'if this happened THIS is how it would occur, how far.... etc' and doing so in a logical way."-elgostine
>A very apt description for the deluded evolutionist indeed! THANKS FOR SHARING!.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@NorthForkFisherman
"Simply stated, the rock record shows no such thing happened."-NorthDorkFishy
>The "rock record"? Are you telling us your brain finally fossilized? Thanks for the update, you Old NorthforkFart.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
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@Lawlzerzzz "Why is it so hard for adult humans to let go of these myths? Even children can see through the BS of these Bronze Age stories."-Lawlzerzzz
>It is obvious your grey matter lacks in liquid intelligence and easily influenced. Do you have a history of getting pulled by the nose, believing everything you read? Be honest now.
SpencerBenedict2nd 6 months ago
The Mesopotamians agreed with the Hebrews: man was a sinner and the world was filled with much bloodshed and violence. They disagreed as to why. Before man was created the gods slew each other, raped goddesses, incest with mothers and daughters, lied, broke oaths. Man, made in the image of the gods, could be no different. Man was an immoral sinner because the gods were immoral sinners. The earth was full of violence and bloodshed before man's creation.
The Bible denies this and shifts the blame.
sapiensape 2 years ago
question?,,you dont believe in the bible dont you?
ShinobiOtaku21 2 years ago
That's right, I don't believe in the Bible. For the reasons "why"google mattfeld bibleorigins.
sapiensape 2 years ago
Enlil is outraged: all humans should be dead! Ishtar and Enki accuse Enlil of unjustly sending the flood, killing innocent humans. Enlil's punishment of man was unjust, too severe. A lighter punishment should have been executed. Enlil agrees with them. He blesses the Flood's survivor bestowing immortality on him and his wife. Story Moral: Unjust gods sent a flood to destroy innocent humankind protesting grievous toil in the gods' gardens of edin (edin is the uncultivated land of Sumer).
sapiensape 2 years ago
Enlil the god of Nippur had created man to replace the rebelling Igigi gods whose noise had been ignored by him night and day for 40 years protesting their grievous toil in his city-garden of edin. When man is created, the Igigi's noise is transferred to man. Man's noise is the protesting night and day of the grievous labor they bear in edin's garden at Nippur. Enlil sends the flood to destroy noisey man for violating his and other gods' rest.
sapiensape 2 years ago
The Mesopotamian flood account was a tongue-in-cheek satire on the gods' stupidity. The gods failed to realize if all mankind was destroyed no one would provide for the gods life's necessities: food, clothing, shelter. They grew hungry during the 7 day flood. Man's noise disturbing the gods' rest by day, sleep by night caused the flood to be sent. On the 7th day, all the gods rested, silence reigned, man's noise was gone, except for survivors on the boat. Hungry gods realized their error.
sapiensape 2 years ago