Thanks Cesar for all your beautiful work you do to help all these dogs beeing frustrated of human treatment. I have seen more than 150 of his shows on TV an they helped me alot to help special dogs and it's owners. I have changed my life completely (I am living in a pack) and now what's left is calm an peace... (see rudelführer.ch)
Comments from "nonknowers but fasttalkers" like MSLabMom is the proof of the fact, that Cesar may help every dog, but not every dog owner..
Dogs, cats, and other non-human animals live much more in the present moment than humans do. We have rational minds that distort and filter life in the present, so we need to learn the truth of life with our rational minds to live more clearly and openly. When we learn the truth of life, pets will become even more popular. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the truth of life.
@MsLabMom ...if you can comment like that, then you EXACTLY KNOW what will you do in this case, in your OWN NON-ABUSIVE WAY... mere talk doesnt count you know
@MsLabMom Mom shoud read his books b4 posting. It's obvious, that you do not understand Cesars philosophy at all. I am living his philosophy in my own pack of about 12 dogs for now more than 2 years. As a dog sitter I've learned, that about 10% of the dogs (the packleaders) are different than the rest of them (followers) and THEY take our communication VERY SERIOUSLY. Unfortunately u will never be able to help the 10% dogs/owners with human nor mom's psychology...Shame on your comment!
No one asked for advice on how to spend marathon hours on mom's computer, playing video games without going catatonic, son. This is about dog training.
ROFL @ "unique strategy"... wtf he PULLS the dog with a traditional collar, THEN he does some useless stuff like putting a water bowl... endless FAIL from this guy, and a bad mistake by NatGeo...
A consortium of 26 animal welfare organisations including the RSPCA, the Australian Veterinary Association, the Kennel Club and the British Veterinary Association, has written an open letter warning that Millan’s methods will lead to “pain and fear”, and are “not only unacceptable from a welfare perspective, but not necessary for the modification of dog behaviour”.
@rockstarofredondo Cesar says that's dogs have very sensitive hearing, it could be that your dog just does not like the amplification of the sound of the rain and since the dog was never taught not to be ok with this certain sound then that may be the issue. You have to lead your dog and harness your calm assertive energy and go slow don't let your dog lose trust in you and don't lose your patience when it doesn't go your way, work at your dogs pace.
My dog hates water; rain, baths, the pool, even wet sidewalks & grass. I noticed Cesar uses water a lot to calm dogs but my dog does not feel calm with water. How do I get her to enjoy it, or at least not be bothered by it?
wrong methods?? hahahahahaha u moron.. he has a show ! he has a book out.. are u trying 2 say that the 90percent of the people who think he's using the right methods are wrong and the 10percent of u unsuccessful "scientific" idiots who base everything on your love 4 animals wrong.. who ever said he was being harmful has 2be by far the weakest chicken shit alive. come 2 my hood see how dog's are treated and say that u idiot's.
In today's human psychology,it's known that the strongest method to overcome what you fear is facing with it.So here Cesar is helping the dog to face with what he fear.Cause some people here don't know about psychology,they make wrong comments.The best method for overcoming a fear is to face with it.
But maybe Cesar might use a treat(if the dog can be fooled) rather than pulling him into the car.But the result is same,the dog has to face with his fear.
@hakan999999999 It is funny the way you refer to psychology as if it was a precise science like math, when even the psychologists themselves are divided into 3 different camps, all of them arguing which one is the right. So far, psychology has not proved shit either way.
@Crejaksiann4ever you may study health care I study what really matters in this case, behavior. I don't idolize anyone, that is against my religion. Cesar barely talks about wolves you are wrong about that I should know, I know him personally. None of your opinions really matter to me I am here to spread the facts of what I see before me. So if one of my studies get sick give me your # I can ask you to look after their health. Leave the behavior part to the professionals.
@MsLabMom In the case of the learned helplessness study the animal was threatened by electrocution then debilitated with fear = learned helplessness. Cesar is leading this canine through the fear, much like a scared child's 1st visit to a dentist.
@MsLabMom do you really know what learned helplessness is?? Do you know how it was performed?? The study that was done holds no grounds with what is happening here, electrocution was the main source for the learned helplessness theory. If you were in my study you would understand, learned helplessness is when a canine has no leadership at all and is continually threatened.
@MsLabMom@Crejaksiaan4ever The study is humane. You may not like it but all canis familiaris in the unscheduled environment have shown us various negative behaviors. The other half of the canis familiaris group have almost no negative behaviors. Are balanced and happy, despite uncomfortable moments like fear.
@CalmAssMizPrezidant (I study animal health care), Ceasar (and many people) still think that dogs their behaviour is the same as the behaviour of wolfs in the wild, that they live in packs and with a hierarchie , this is proven wrong, and the theorie of dominance ain't correct , so ceasar milan doesn't use the right methodes , I know its annoying that some people say your idol is doing it wrong, but you should just look it up for yourself
@MsLabMom@Crejaksiaan4ever You 2 cretins know almost nothing! Everything you said is totally wrong. I am in a study which I am conducting as we speak about the canis familiaris using methods similar to Cesar's with daily exercise, ritual discipline, affection and various breed specific jobs on a schedule. The other half are in unscheduled environments, minimal stimuli minimal exercise and no leadership skills and excess affection similar to an average household. Experts and humans are invo
@Keckvan66.... where do you live? In England? And yes, unfortuantely anyone can drive one of these cars, even a 16 year old teenager who barely got their driver's license. I lived in England and actually liked the fact that not just anyone can drive a big vehicle, they actually have to have alot of experience.
On his TV show, the main method Millan uses for aggression is aversives (leash jerks, kicks, snaps of the hand against the neck, and restraint, among others) applied non contingently. The aversives are non contingent because they are so frequent that they're not connected to any particular behavior on the part of the dog—the dog gets popped pretty much constantly. This results in a state called learned helplessness, which means the animal hunkers down and tries to do as little as possible.
Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways.
@keckvan66 The vehicle shown is not a "normal car" in the US or any country. It is a truck. In this case, a 4-wheel drive utility vehicle designed for rugged off-road use. There are miles and miles of mountainous trails for recreation in that part of California. This model is a Toyota FJ Cruiser. It is similar to a Land Rover, which is common in many countries.
The first time, he dragged the dog up by the throat because it was physically impossible to propel upwards with the hind legs once the front paws were on the bumper and the feet directly underneath. Getting my windpipe squeezed prior to landing in the car would not be a great motivator for me either. So the box idea is a no brainer, duh.
This is an example of classical stimulus-response conditioning. Olive was pulled - not painfully - into the car and then rewarded. The dog now associates entering the car with a reward. This is nothing more than classical conditioning techniques.
Cesar uses the term "submissive," and in that way he attributes his success here to a certain theory on wolf pack behavior. But the trick he uses in this video does not require the dog's submission, it only requires common sense animal handling. Even a 7 year old who knows nothing about theories could have done this using common sense.
@rooflee To me, it's not about Cesar, it's about the fact that he claims to be using a certain theory on wolf-pack behavior when in fact his successes are due entirely to classical S-R conditioning techniques which have been around for decades.
@rooflee Alpha male is a myth. There is no alpha male in a wolf pack. But yes, if a wolf uses aggression successfully on another wolf it will take this as negative reinforcement.
@rooflee What dominant wolf? Where's the dominant wolf in the pack? Who told you there's always an alpha male, and why do you choose to believe in it?
@Mal1234567 Firstly...I don't really give a shit. Secondly, wild dogs are pack animals (in case you never realised). Pack animals ALWAYS have a pecking order. There is ALWAYS an alpha dog. I also liked the positive reinforcement Ceasar used with the water. But that doesn't mean punishing bad behaviour doesn't work too. I bet u wouldn't argue with Ceasar, he would make u look like a bitch with just 3 words.
@rooflee I didn't ask you if you gave a shit. TMI. Caesar is using standard training techniques and claiming some special alpha-male theory. Also, his alpha-roll is a despicable method. I bet you don't even know what that is. I can tell you it is a great way of making a dog totally scared of humans, useless, and neurotic. If I wanted my pet to just hide in the corner and snarl at everybody that came too close, I would use Caesar's alpha-roll technique.
@Mal1234567 Cesar doesn't use an 'alpha-roll' - he takes his hands off the dog as soon as he can. He does the bite to the neck to make the dog relax so that it can change its reaction to a certain situation and its only as a last resort. 95% of Cesar's philosophy is about using your energy to change the dogs behaviour - being calm and/or assertive depending on the situation. People forget that the dogs on his show are the worst cases of obsession, aggression and fearfulness.
@miusqui Check this out, particular the part about alpha roll, but there is a lot of information here. The page also validates my claims where it says that Cesar uses reward training but he does not present them as such. Everything he does he claims to be based on alpha-male theory. hubpages.com/hub/Cesar-Milan-Dog-Training-the-Dog-Whisperer
@rooflee I've seen a couple Cesar videos where he failed. In this video he succeeded. I liked his idea of using a box as a step up. After some more practice Olive won't need the box anymore. I'm just pointing out the fact that the water was used as a positive reinforcement. He elevated the dog's mood by providing water before trying anything, that's good too. But what does alpha-male wolf pack theory have to do with any of it?
@Zhainn Incorrect. Cesar clearly pulls the dog into the car using a collar. But he must do this carefully in order to avoid causing the dog discomfort, otherwise the s-r conditioning won't work. After Olive enters the car the dog is rewarded, this is also part of routine dog training techniques which have been around for decades. I am not criticizing his technique, only the fact that he falsely claims to be using some theory of wolf-pack behavior.
@eazyduzitjacob He explains that in some episodes. He uses the leash at the uppeer neck of the dog to control the atention of the dog. He is not choking but he is directing the dog to what he wants.
One more thing all you so called fucking dog trainers become scared of the dog or it bites you and your done. Cesar doesnt care the dog bit him he unlike you finish the job he gets paid for that why he is here becase dog trainers suck and fail at life so he gotta step in
All right all thses haters what way would you hve put the dog in the fucking car? If you ask me thays the only way! Okay another thing its the human not te dog!!Okay another thing cesar isnt a dog trainer he helps people with problems they are having thats why in this one episode he took the dog to a dog trainer
So...know what the fuck you are talking about before you say shit!
I don't know why you even bother trying. Can't you see your not convincing anyone? Stop trying it's no use! If some people believe in your''methods'', then they should go on your site!! Leave Cesar alone you dog whisperer hater!!!!
I believe dogs sweat through their feet, therefore cool surface feels good. Also explains laying in the dirt, this provides cool contact to a larger portion of the body to cool the blood and thus lower body temperature.
You are dead wrong orang. You probably want a TV spot. You so called "dog trainers" have failed so many times - thats why Caesar steps in on behalf of his clients - because you people say the dog is untrainable and should be put down
Huh, sometimes my pooch has the opposite anxiety. Sometimes, when my family is up north, I'll be helping to take groceries or something out from the back seat of the car, when all of a sudden, my pooch decided to jump in and not come out. He thinks that we're leaving, and he's afraid of being left behind. I literally have to try to pick him up and pull him out, as he'll snap at my hand if I try to lead him out by the collar. Crazy border.
Well, our pooch has seperation issues, he can't stand to be left alone, and thinks that anyone walking out the front dor is abandoning him lol.
Also, the cottage is his Disneyland, he literally mopes for a whole day when we come home from it. Seriously, he won't do anything except his business and pout while hiding under a bed.
with all due respect......are you blind? the dog got a little coax up then he stepped into car himself.apparently you haven'tseen dogs that really dig heels in and refuse to budge, or you haven't seen a dog pitch a fit about something. i stress, again, you just have to see the whole show. and shoving a human out of an airplane is not good for the human. so u r wrong to compare. getting this dog in a car with his pack is good for the pack. pos. reinforc. encourages the bad behavior in this case.
Positive conditioning and time spent building confidence would have got this dog in the car with out the fear expressed in the vid I have seen the whole episode and the dogs confidence was not tackeled before hand this quick fix will not build confidence.I have personaly taught dogs to overcome fear of getting in the car many times using motivational methods and it always works.
You are dead wrong orang. You probably want a TV spot. You so called "dog trainers" have failed so many times - thats why Caesar steps in on behalf of his clients - because you people say the dog is untrainable and should be put down
i no dont you hate how many people hate on him especially trainers he doesnt really train dogs most of his cases are dogs that you cant help givivg a treat they think if you have a treat in hand the dog will listen i hope there would be a way to test these dumb people
my dog was car sick since he was a pup and use 2 hate even being near a runnin car or open door of a car. i was told to give them treats or toys while sitting in it non-moving, then we moved up to just sittin in the car while it was runnin. He's finally over being scared or puking, it was at drooling but now he loves sitting at my feet or on my lap sleeping.
kgreej......you'd have to see the contrast of what it was like for this dog when the owners would put the dog in the car. severe ptsd or anxiety and the transformation is remarkable. this was a very good episode!
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i didn't see any evidence of that in this clip--though perhaps there was some improvement in the full episode.
even if there was improvement, or something that looked like improvement, the fact still holds that millan pretty much abused this dog to get him to do something that is completely fixable with positive reinforcement.
i don't know about you, but if i was afraid of heights i would not appreciate being pushed off an airplane. because that is essentially what millan is doing.
@jimmyjam08061991: of course she is still scared, she only just learned to "overocome" a fear. If you are scared of something big time, you don´t try it a few times and then automaticly jump for joy. It will take a few days or even weeks untill she is all whooped about it!
He could have got that dog in the car isntanlty without even touching the dog.the prep would have taken a little longer but the fear would have been dispersed straight away.I would work with the dogs energy rather than against it.
if she had overcome fear as you say then by definition she would not be expressing fear.your statment is contradictory.Always put thinking first before speaking??
id love to see him raising his kids! i love cesar, hes so good with the animals. there was a great episode where he rehabilitated a cat as well as a dog. brilliant!
this dog wasn't going to be put down, this dog was afraid of getting in a car. there are so many kinder, gentler ways than dragging him up by a choke chain and flooding him in a scary environment. the dog learned to get in the car not because he was confident, but because willingly getting in the car was better than being forcibly dragged into it. i saw no calmness in that dog, despite what CM said. his ears were still back. his tail was still between his legs. he was still backed away from them
that is why you have to keep being repetitive to show them that what is happening isn't going to hurt them. animals will stay in the same loop over and over again if someone does not snap them out of it. I adopted a terribly abused cat, and i had to mix patience with some tough love to show her that I wasn't like the other humans. Now she's a cuddle ball and won't leave you alone. she loves people.
animals aren't like humans. they don't comprehend. they just get stuck in a mode.
@MrKit3n Not only that, but hes treating them like the dogs they are, retards who think this is abuse are the type of people who have bad behaving dogs because they treat them like humans.
The more times I watch this farce, the more I hear that is ludicrous: "you have to create a negative/positive.' How absurd. Why would you ever need to create a negative to impart a positive? Milan later feels compelled to say the dog is not drooling due to anxiety but due to being hot. Another ridiculous notion. A careful observation readily discloses that this dog is anxious during the entire sequence. Milan should really go back to grooming dogs; perhaps he had some knowledge in that.
Pack animals, Den animals, Hierarchical Social Structure, Opportunistic Omnivores - all these terms apply to both wolf and dog. Domestication is the key difference between wolf and dog
Dogs can be readily submissive to their owners, but show various degrees of aggression toward strangers or territorial interlopers. They form long-term bonds with humans, as they would often do in a pack or with mates, and show cooperative and altruistic behavior, sacrificing for humans just as they would for kin
That said, they share certain fundamental physiological traits and behaviors. Replicable research that has been formally described in peer-reviewed journals indicates that Extrapolations Between Dogs and Wolves are Appropriate
Until other research that has undergone similar scrutiny indicates the contrary, I'll choose to believe that much about dog behavior can be learned from the study and research of wolves' behavior
It is quite evident that you have no college education, as the huge chip on your shoulder is obviously crushing you. I'm sorry you choose to not pursue higher education; you might have actually learned something of value. I certainly don't deem a college education as necessary for all, but it is certainly required if one promotes oneself (as Milan does) as a dog behaviorist. Milan also choose not to pursue higher education --- and it shows in both of you.
google "non linear dogs". on that website, there is a fantastic scientific study about how dog behavior and pack structure is absolutely different from wolf behavior and pack structure.
With so many of the dog whisperer scenarios, it's not how smart Cesar is, it's how incredibly STUPID the dog owners are! Sometimes it's hard to believe how clueless people are about animals....
Keeg we understand everything you say we just dont agree with it! Part of being an adult is to learn that not all people hold the same point of veiw as you! You need to learn to agre to disagree!! I haveused some of ceasers methods and for my dogs it has worked my JRT is now a much happier dog and i am being consistant with the training of my Akita/ rotty cross with regards to his dog aggression. I can now walk past other dogs with him without a big commotion and thats with using cesars way!!
That's right, Chelly... you tell'im!! Everyone has the right to thier own opinion... Even if it's completely wrong like Keeg's. Not to mention just because something is "outdated" doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Example? Well, pencils work just fine.
It's worth repeating here that "keeg" is the sound dogs make when they take a shit.
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how can u say keeg's theory is wrong? do u have evidence that he's wrong? youre just one case if he wrong about that, what about the general cases. using a pencil is a bad comparison and is irrelevant to the point. As far as im concerned keeg is winning this one. mostly because people follow the bible, which is authored by a bunch of mentally retarded cultists. to this day there is NO evidence of a so called "God", dont give me the bullshit that he lives in our hearts, or u just have to believe
The evidence is in the video. You are also putting my statement to good use as you are entitled to your lunitic, albeit wrong opinions. The point of the pencil IS the point- sorry you missed it. Win? How? Look- Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics- even if you win, you're still retarded. This is Youtube- not life.
As far as the bible- you have my pity. Not so much for your
even if my opinion is wrong to u, ur only believing that im wrong in ur eyes to make urself feel like ur right and superior to me, lol of the day
i did get the pencil analogy, sure they've been around but to put it in a more literal sense, its a SIMPLE analogy that you think is a damn innovation
the bible, i didnt try to be insulting, if you took it that way, then obviously i was, anyways, for the bible, the bible is a alpha dog, ur just the sheep
Since you've tried, and failed twice- I'll explain the pecil:
Yes they've been around- the point is- it still works. It doesn't rely on a bunch of other crap, (i.e. Electricity, environment, circuits, etc.) It just works. "The point" is a pun. Maybe you should stick to computers so you don't put your eye out... Though it would complete your handicap- blind physically to go with blind mentally and spiritually. You should be glad for religion- it keeps us from culling idiots like you.
By the way- the simpler you keep something- the better and more reliably it works. That should be easy enough for you. If you live your life waiting for "proof" you'll find it at the end. That's why it's called "faith." You should be a bookmaker in Vegas- you're already gambling the most precious thing you have on really long odds. Really intelligent people hedge their bets. Fools throw caution to the wind.
zomg ur a fuckin genius, i live my life how i want to, i plan for the present, not ideally like u do, ill make an analogy, see if ur mind can keep up, take game theory as the way you live your life, and that is your argument in a nutshell, simple enough? yes. I did make a connection between hedging and game theory, especially since they are intertwined with each other
No i dont throw caution to the wind you moron have you been listening? i dont take stupid risks, i listen to rationality
You are a serious idiot. The simpler you keep something the better and more reliably is works? Boy, you would have been a perfect hackney for the inquisition. You deny all scientific knowledge unless it happens to be something you use --- like the computer you use to make your ignorant comments. A fairly complex piece of machinery, and incredibly reliable. But wht not stick with your pencil and paper moron? To believe in the supernatural is ridiculous and those that do deserve no respect.
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I am not wrong about Milan's lack of qualifications or his unreliable methods. Behavioral science has taught us much about how canine's learn and Milan's methods directly contradict that knowledge. Any moron that advocates 'alpha rolls' or speaks of dominance or leadership in relation to canines, is clearly uneducated in the best science available about canine behavior (even wolves don't do alpha rolls). As soon as he gets his Ph.D. in animal ethology, I'll listen to him.
Cesar learned how to handle dogs by watching dogs together. Not from a human telling him how dogs think. Just the fact that he gets great results should tell you he knows what he is talking about. He deals with and 'fixes' dogs that most people would put to sleep without a second thought.
And BTW I have Alaskan Huskies which are a breed extremely close to wolves. And when they fight, they do alpha roll eachother. Can you tell me one good reason his methods dont work? What Ph.D do you have?
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You are not observing an alpha roll since there is no such thing. Read David Mech--THE wolf expert. You have observed appeasement behaviors that are offered, not coerced. You don't have very good observational skills, and have drawn the same erroneous conclusions drawn by watching UNRELATED wolves in captivity in the 30s. Sorry--you're as wrong as you can be. And btw, dogs are nearly genetically identical to the grey wolf (all dogs).
I am aware that dogs are genetically close to wolves. I mean behaviorally. Sled dogs are some of the most primitive behaving dogs because of how they live.
Now the alpha roll as cesar does it does not exist, you're right. Dogs do not knock one and other down and hold them thier until they relax. However, subbmissive dogs take on this position them selves and dogs DO knock eachother down. Putting these toghether is the alpha roll and way of dominating that works for humans.
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I don't yet have my doctorate. I am in a doctoral program and my research area is canine ethology, specifically the behavioral/emotional evolution of dogs due to human association/influence. I received a B.S. in biochemistry and an M.S. in behavioral ecology...ok..is that enough for you? Cesar's methods are NOT new --- they are just an extreme version of aversive training (traditional training) -- they arose from erroneous conclusions derived from early captive wolf studies
However you did not tell me why you believe his methods don't work. What would you suggest we do instead? I am intrested in learning all ways of training (not abusive ones, I will never cause an animal physical harm) and them putting them together to create a style that works for me. And I'd just like to metion that while Cesar's methods are not new, he did not get 'taught' by anyone, he made his style by finding things that works for him and the dogs.
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Dominance theory is completed misunderstood by most dog trainers. Milan is not a behaviorist as is touted--he has no credentials. Aversive methods DO result in behaviors wanted; however, they work by the dog trying to avoid pain, thus they are notorious for later blowback and for their transient nature. Why would anyone need to 'find things that work for him' when there is a massive amount of data that shows how dogs learn and that supports positive reinforcement methods (as opposed to Milans)
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If you truly want to know what you say you want to know, then the number one best way to start to get a grasp of what dogs really are and how dogs really learn, then I suggest you read The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson (an actual formally educated behaviorist and the director of the SFSPCA's academy for dog trainers). I also strongly suggest Karen Pryor's seminal work, Don't Shoot The Dog, as well as anything by Ian Dunbar. But The Culture Clash can explain the basics better than I can.
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Thanks Cesar for all your beautiful work you do to help all these dogs beeing frustrated of human treatment. I have seen more than 150 of his shows on TV an they helped me alot to help special dogs and it's owners. I have changed my life completely (I am living in a pack) and now what's left is calm an peace... (see rudelführer.ch)
Comments from "nonknowers but fasttalkers" like MSLabMom is the proof of the fact, that Cesar may help every dog, but not every dog owner..
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it hard for dogs to go that high especially if older atheritis so wouldn,t you think to easy it for them in the first place?
7466309change 3 months ago
ur so good. cesar. i love what u r doin. you helped lots of fella
jugersreyes 5 months ago
get in the car u little cunt
TROLL4x4 6 months ago
i have a similar problem with my dog and her kennel she would go in if i escort her but she wont stay there for more than a minute
simon199418 6 months ago
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Dogs, cats, and other non-human animals live much more in the present moment than humans do. We have rational minds that distort and filter life in the present, so we need to learn the truth of life with our rational minds to live more clearly and openly. When we learn the truth of life, pets will become even more popular. Search "Truth Contest" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the truth of life.
AllThatYouSense 6 months ago
He doesn't train dogs, he abuses them. Choking, kicking, pinching, punching, yanking, pulling, and slapping a dog is not training. It is abuse!
MsLabMom 6 months ago
@MsLabMom ...if you can comment like that, then you EXACTLY KNOW what will you do in this case, in your OWN NON-ABUSIVE WAY... mere talk doesnt count you know
1986leriegirl 6 months ago
@MsLabMom if u have proof then go report him. otherwise just back off lady.
jennychongshiai 3 months ago
@MsLabMom dose commands alone works for your dog then you must be related to each other.
192422RD 3 months ago
@MsLabMom Mom shoud read his books b4 posting. It's obvious, that you do not understand Cesars philosophy at all. I am living his philosophy in my own pack of about 12 dogs for now more than 2 years. As a dog sitter I've learned, that about 10% of the dogs (the packleaders) are different than the rest of them (followers) and THEY take our communication VERY SERIOUSLY. Unfortunately u will never be able to help the 10% dogs/owners with human nor mom's psychology...Shame on your comment!
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Get in the car... more like DRINK THE WATER!!! 0:25
TheMachinimaFilms 7 months ago
Cesar ur d man ! :))
rJoFmALaBoN 8 months ago
wish i had a dog :(
deeeeecoy 8 months ago
@deeeeecoy u can foster one temporarily
ssips720 7 months ago
cesar is a freaking genius :)
Fenrir2901 8 months ago
keep moving, keep moving! just steps! And then he pulls the leach on the dog!!! bheuuuuww deuhhhhwwww bwweeuuuggghhhh!
good dog, you're inn!!!
periesicsd 8 months ago
I love it how he drags the dog into a car with a choker...
cheerfulchip197 9 months ago
"gameinvaders"
No one asked for advice on how to spend marathon hours on mom's computer, playing video games without going catatonic, son. This is about dog training.
Stick to your field of expertise.
Redshield666 9 months ago
ROFL @ "unique strategy"... wtf he PULLS the dog with a traditional collar, THEN he does some useless stuff like putting a water bowl... endless FAIL from this guy, and a bad mistake by NatGeo...
gameinvaders 9 months ago
Cdw
DaPlayhouse 10 months ago
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A consortium of 26 animal welfare organisations including the RSPCA, the Australian Veterinary Association, the Kennel Club and the British Veterinary Association, has written an open letter warning that Millan’s methods will lead to “pain and fear”, and are “not only unacceptable from a welfare perspective, but not necessary for the modification of dog behaviour”.
tallykita 10 months ago
when my dog gets in the car, he always wants to come up to the front, but there's no room!
xxbabigrl94 10 months ago
@rockstarofredondo Cesar says that's dogs have very sensitive hearing, it could be that your dog just does not like the amplification of the sound of the rain and since the dog was never taught not to be ok with this certain sound then that may be the issue. You have to lead your dog and harness your calm assertive energy and go slow don't let your dog lose trust in you and don't lose your patience when it doesn't go your way, work at your dogs pace.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 11 months ago
My dog hates water; rain, baths, the pool, even wet sidewalks & grass. I noticed Cesar uses water a lot to calm dogs but my dog does not feel calm with water. How do I get her to enjoy it, or at least not be bothered by it?
rockstarofredondo 11 months ago
why's he chokin the dog, man?
melissacarl2002 11 months ago 2
1:25 hilary swank!
liesje9876 11 months ago
@Tarenaccount lol well as I have said in another post walking is so last century.
How do you know when your dog just doesn't need you anymore??
Simple. After continually fighting for the drivers side seat they run away to the local DMV.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 11 months ago
wrong methods?? hahahahahaha u moron.. he has a show ! he has a book out.. are u trying 2 say that the 90percent of the people who think he's using the right methods are wrong and the 10percent of u unsuccessful "scientific" idiots who base everything on your love 4 animals wrong.. who ever said he was being harmful has 2be by far the weakest chicken shit alive. come 2 my hood see how dog's are treated and say that u idiot's.
central848 1 year ago
my dog loves to ride in a car. Its too lazy to walk XD
Tarenaccount 1 year ago
In today's human psychology,it's known that the strongest method to overcome what you fear is facing with it.So here Cesar is helping the dog to face with what he fear.Cause some people here don't know about psychology,they make wrong comments.The best method for overcoming a fear is to face with it.
But maybe Cesar might use a treat(if the dog can be fooled) rather than pulling him into the car.But the result is same,the dog has to face with his fear.
hakan999999999 1 year ago
@hakan999999999 It is funny the way you refer to psychology as if it was a precise science like math, when even the psychologists themselves are divided into 3 different camps, all of them arguing which one is the right. So far, psychology has not proved shit either way.
megaDudeMegaDude 7 months ago
Is that dog a ridgeless rhodesian?
TheNalagirl1 1 year ago
@Crejaksiann4ever you may study health care I study what really matters in this case, behavior. I don't idolize anyone, that is against my religion. Cesar barely talks about wolves you are wrong about that I should know, I know him personally. None of your opinions really matter to me I am here to spread the facts of what I see before me. So if one of my studies get sick give me your # I can ask you to look after their health. Leave the behavior part to the professionals.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 1 year ago
@MsLabMom In the case of the learned helplessness study the animal was threatened by electrocution then debilitated with fear = learned helplessness. Cesar is leading this canine through the fear, much like a scared child's 1st visit to a dentist.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 1 year ago
@MsLabMom do you really know what learned helplessness is?? Do you know how it was performed?? The study that was done holds no grounds with what is happening here, electrocution was the main source for the learned helplessness theory. If you were in my study you would understand, learned helplessness is when a canine has no leadership at all and is continually threatened.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 1 year ago
@MsLabMom @Crejaksiaan4ever The study is humane. You may not like it but all canis familiaris in the unscheduled environment have shown us various negative behaviors. The other half of the canis familiaris group have almost no negative behaviors. Are balanced and happy, despite uncomfortable moments like fear.
CalmAssMizPrezidant 1 year ago
@CalmAssMizPrezidant (I study animal health care), Ceasar (and many people) still think that dogs their behaviour is the same as the behaviour of wolfs in the wild, that they live in packs and with a hierarchie , this is proven wrong, and the theorie of dominance ain't correct , so ceasar milan doesn't use the right methodes , I know its annoying that some people say your idol is doing it wrong, but you should just look it up for yourself
I 'll give you 3 links in another reaction...
Crejaksiaan4ever 1 year ago
@MsLabMom @Crejaksiaan4ever You 2 cretins know almost nothing! Everything you said is totally wrong. I am in a study which I am conducting as we speak about the canis familiaris using methods similar to Cesar's with daily exercise, ritual discipline, affection and various breed specific jobs on a schedule. The other half are in unscheduled environments, minimal stimuli minimal exercise and no leadership skills and excess affection similar to an average household. Experts and humans are invo
CalmAssMizPrezidant 1 year ago
1) He simply pulls the dog up into the car, even if the dog doesn't want's to , he will just pull a little harder! --'
2) watch the signals the dog showes us , tail between the legs, ears flat, the dog is very scared...
3) conlcusion : wrong methodes , again !
Crejaksiaan4ever 1 year ago 2
@Crejaksiaan4ever then, dont watch it
DoggyDoggyStyle 1 year ago
@Keckvan66.... where do you live? In England? And yes, unfortuantely anyone can drive one of these cars, even a 16 year old teenager who barely got their driver's license. I lived in England and actually liked the fact that not just anyone can drive a big vehicle, they actually have to have alot of experience.
cmy81685 1 year ago
On his TV show, the main method Millan uses for aggression is aversives (leash jerks, kicks, snaps of the hand against the neck, and restraint, among others) applied non contingently. The aversives are non contingent because they are so frequent that they're not connected to any particular behavior on the part of the dog—the dog gets popped pretty much constantly. This results in a state called learned helplessness, which means the animal hunkers down and tries to do as little as possible.
MsLabMom 1 year ago
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TheShavedMonkey1 1 year ago
Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways.
MsLabMom 1 year ago
@MsLabMom so people should just beat and yell and starve dogs huh? your a dumbass whitey
L0zer797 1 year ago
But sometimes the relationship goes very wrong, and it is time to call on a professional.
Labloverification 1 year ago
Are these normal cars in the US?? We cannot even buy these enormous vehicles, and for a good reason... I think!!
keckvan66 1 year ago
@keckvan66 The vehicle shown is not a "normal car" in the US or any country. It is a truck. In this case, a 4-wheel drive utility vehicle designed for rugged off-road use. There are miles and miles of mountainous trails for recreation in that part of California. This model is a Toyota FJ Cruiser. It is similar to a Land Rover, which is common in many countries.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
The first time, he dragged the dog up by the throat because it was physically impossible to propel upwards with the hind legs once the front paws were on the bumper and the feet directly underneath. Getting my windpipe squeezed prior to landing in the car would not be a great motivator for me either. So the box idea is a no brainer, duh.
bupkes 1 year ago 3
This is an example of classical stimulus-response conditioning. Olive was pulled - not painfully - into the car and then rewarded. The dog now associates entering the car with a reward. This is nothing more than classical conditioning techniques.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
Cesar uses the term "submissive," and in that way he attributes his success here to a certain theory on wolf pack behavior. But the trick he uses in this video does not require the dog's submission, it only requires common sense animal handling. Even a 7 year old who knows nothing about theories could have done this using common sense.
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Mal1234567 1 year ago
Why are people bad mouthing Ceasar? He gets the job done and seems like a great guy. WTF?
rooflee 1 year ago
@rooflee To me, it's not about Cesar, it's about the fact that he claims to be using a certain theory on wolf-pack behavior when in fact his successes are due entirely to classical S-R conditioning techniques which have been around for decades.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 Well yeah, but doesn't the dominant wolf uses S-R techniques to train his pack also?
rooflee 1 year ago
@rooflee Alpha male is a myth. There is no alpha male in a wolf pack. But yes, if a wolf uses aggression successfully on another wolf it will take this as negative reinforcement.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@rooflee What dominant wolf? Where's the dominant wolf in the pack? Who told you there's always an alpha male, and why do you choose to believe in it?
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 Firstly...I don't really give a shit. Secondly, wild dogs are pack animals (in case you never realised). Pack animals ALWAYS have a pecking order. There is ALWAYS an alpha dog. I also liked the positive reinforcement Ceasar used with the water. But that doesn't mean punishing bad behaviour doesn't work too. I bet u wouldn't argue with Ceasar, he would make u look like a bitch with just 3 words.
rooflee 1 year ago
@rooflee I didn't ask you if you gave a shit. TMI. Caesar is using standard training techniques and claiming some special alpha-male theory. Also, his alpha-roll is a despicable method. I bet you don't even know what that is. I can tell you it is a great way of making a dog totally scared of humans, useless, and neurotic. If I wanted my pet to just hide in the corner and snarl at everybody that came too close, I would use Caesar's alpha-roll technique.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 Cesar doesn't use an 'alpha-roll' - he takes his hands off the dog as soon as he can. He does the bite to the neck to make the dog relax so that it can change its reaction to a certain situation and its only as a last resort. 95% of Cesar's philosophy is about using your energy to change the dogs behaviour - being calm and/or assertive depending on the situation. People forget that the dogs on his show are the worst cases of obsession, aggression and fearfulness.
miusqui 1 year ago
@miusqui Check this out, particular the part about alpha roll, but there is a lot of information here. The page also validates my claims where it says that Cesar uses reward training but he does not present them as such. Everything he does he claims to be based on alpha-male theory. hubpages.com/hub/Cesar-Milan-Dog-Training-the-Dog-Whisperer
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@rooflee I've seen a couple Cesar videos where he failed. In this video he succeeded. I liked his idea of using a box as a step up. After some more practice Olive won't need the box anymore. I'm just pointing out the fact that the water was used as a positive reinforcement. He elevated the dog's mood by providing water before trying anything, that's good too. But what does alpha-male wolf pack theory have to do with any of it?
Mal1234567 1 year ago
That dog is completely terrified. He's flooding her, not "miraculously curing her".
TVSheShe 1 year ago
Cesar is brilliant. I love this guy.
SweetPotatoBun 1 year ago
Omg its a dog get in the.... wait a min...
PlasticCoffee 1 year ago
Seriously, I hope he charged this guy a ton of money. Good Grief.
JeffOehlsen 1 year ago
do you see what he is doing?
hes choking the dog into doing what he wants it to do
eazyduzitjacob 1 year ago
@eazyduzitjacob oh shutup >.<
miacat10 1 year ago
@miacat10 haha, im just sayin, he is choking the dog to do what he wants, but it looks effective...
maybe i should try it....
eazyduzitjacob 1 year ago
@eazyduzitjacob omg, he had to control the dog, to go into the car. that's not choking, he explains a million times that he only directs the dog.
Zhainn 1 year ago
@Zhainn Incorrect. Cesar clearly pulls the dog into the car using a collar. But he must do this carefully in order to avoid causing the dog discomfort, otherwise the s-r conditioning won't work. After Olive enters the car the dog is rewarded, this is also part of routine dog training techniques which have been around for decades. I am not criticizing his technique, only the fact that he falsely claims to be using some theory of wolf-pack behavior.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@eazyduzitjacob: If he choked the dog, you would see a whole other reaction.
boudjeuh 1 year ago
@boudjeuh i dont mean hes wrapping his hands around the dogs throat and squeezing the breath out of him, hes forcing him by the neck
eazyduzitjacob 1 year ago
is the dog a ridgeback??? or a pitbull mix????
joshkarthikeyan 1 year ago
@joshkarthikeyan i dont know
eazyduzitjacob 1 year ago
@eazyduzitjacob He explains that in some episodes. He uses the leash at the uppeer neck of the dog to control the atention of the dog. He is not choking but he is directing the dog to what he wants.
PinguimMarco 1 year ago
nice job
nikoloza113 1 year ago
nice
hoyun 1 year ago
One more thing all you so called fucking dog trainers become scared of the dog or it bites you and your done. Cesar doesnt care the dog bit him he unlike you finish the job he gets paid for that why he is here becase dog trainers suck and fail at life so he gotta step in
ejoydancer 2 years ago 3
All right all thses haters what way would you hve put the dog in the fucking car? If you ask me thays the only way! Okay another thing its the human not te dog!!Okay another thing cesar isnt a dog trainer he helps people with problems they are having thats why in this one episode he took the dog to a dog trainer
So...know what the fuck you are talking about before you say shit!
ejoydancer 2 years ago
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He is the DogRetardShow, see how his conflicted attraction for trannies comes out in rampant homophobia.
AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
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I don't know why you even bother trying. Can't you see your not convincing anyone? Stop trying it's no use! If some people believe in your''methods'', then they should go on your site!! Leave Cesar alone you dog whisperer hater!!!!
2007catira 1 year ago
Che schifezze di lavori che fà.... santo cielo!!!
lorelai3 2 years ago
Crap...
Kengouru 2 years ago
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AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
bleah..troppo aggressivo secondo me!
kiccaa92 2 years ago
thats a nice truck
SWAT487 2 years ago
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I count 3 dogs that were killed after Millan 'rehabilitated" them. The man is a useless shit and dogs are dying from people trying to copy him
AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
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I am The Dog Whipper! Come see how I break down AboutDogTranny3 using only Ceaser's methods!
TheDogWhipperShow 2 years ago
why do dogs like wet floor?
drewrg 2 years ago
I believe dogs sweat through their feet, therefore cool surface feels good. Also explains laying in the dirt, this provides cool contact to a larger portion of the body to cool the blood and thus lower body temperature.
Azhreii 2 years ago
You dog trainers have labelled many cases "euthenasia". Caeser has shut your trap.
biophysman 2 years ago 11
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You are dead wrong orang. You probably want a TV spot. You so called "dog trainers" have failed so many times - thats why Caesar steps in on behalf of his clients - because you people say the dog is untrainable and should be put down
biophysman 2 years ago
Huh, sometimes my pooch has the opposite anxiety. Sometimes, when my family is up north, I'll be helping to take groceries or something out from the back seat of the car, when all of a sudden, my pooch decided to jump in and not come out. He thinks that we're leaving, and he's afraid of being left behind. I literally have to try to pick him up and pull him out, as he'll snap at my hand if I try to lead him out by the collar. Crazy border.
ButtersStotch7000 2 years ago
Right or wrong, it seems that is almost a dominant dog action. "Claiming" the truck, and then defending the territory it has now claimed.
Azhreii 2 years ago
Well, our pooch has seperation issues, he can't stand to be left alone, and thinks that anyone walking out the front dor is abandoning him lol.
Also, the cottage is his Disneyland, he literally mopes for a whole day when we come home from it. Seriously, he won't do anything except his business and pout while hiding under a bed.
Crazy Border Collies.
ButtersStotch7000 2 years ago
with all due respect......are you blind? the dog got a little coax up then he stepped into car himself.apparently you haven'tseen dogs that really dig heels in and refuse to budge, or you haven't seen a dog pitch a fit about something. i stress, again, you just have to see the whole show. and shoving a human out of an airplane is not good for the human. so u r wrong to compare. getting this dog in a car with his pack is good for the pack. pos. reinforc. encourages the bad behavior in this case.
dblood804 2 years ago
Positive conditioning and time spent building confidence would have got this dog in the car with out the fear expressed in the vid I have seen the whole episode and the dogs confidence was not tackeled before hand this quick fix will not build confidence.I have personaly taught dogs to overcome fear of getting in the car many times using motivational methods and it always works.
orangcurl 2 years ago
You are dead wrong orang. You probably want a TV spot. You so called "dog trainers" have failed so many times - thats why Caesar steps in on behalf of his clients - because you people say the dog is untrainable and should be put down
biophysman 2 years ago
i no dont you hate how many people hate on him especially trainers he doesnt really train dogs most of his cases are dogs that you cant help givivg a treat they think if you have a treat in hand the dog will listen i hope there would be a way to test these dumb people
badabingrockford 2 years ago
my dog was car sick since he was a pup and use 2 hate even being near a runnin car or open door of a car. i was told to give them treats or toys while sitting in it non-moving, then we moved up to just sittin in the car while it was runnin. He's finally over being scared or puking, it was at drooling but now he loves sitting at my feet or on my lap sleeping.
Kayababe 2 years ago 24
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Dear Kayababe. Hurray!
Thats the way to do it, and nobody gets hurt, or strangled.
LeoTheHood 2 years ago
kgreej......you'd have to see the contrast of what it was like for this dog when the owners would put the dog in the car. severe ptsd or anxiety and the transformation is remarkable. this was a very good episode!
dblood804 2 years ago 9
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i didn't see any evidence of that in this clip--though perhaps there was some improvement in the full episode.
even if there was improvement, or something that looked like improvement, the fact still holds that millan pretty much abused this dog to get him to do something that is completely fixable with positive reinforcement.
i don't know about you, but if i was afraid of heights i would not appreciate being pushed off an airplane. because that is essentially what millan is doing.
kgreej 2 years ago
Im proud of you Cesar. You are a good example of a mexican reaching his goals. Buen trabajo paisano!
shahidmexico 2 years ago 5
@shahidmexico his not mexican
83912daniela 8 months ago
@83912daniela Are you kiddin me? César Millán Culiacán, Sinaloa, México, 27 de agosto de 1969. Or what? You think he is German?
shahidmexico 8 months ago
@83912daniela yes
83912daniela 8 months ago
yay happy "can i go to" dog !
jonnythunderwalker 2 years ago
shes still scared of the car,she has her head down and her tail between her legs
JiMMyJaM08061991 2 years ago
@jimmyjam08061991: of course she is still scared, she only just learned to "overocome" a fear. If you are scared of something big time, you don´t try it a few times and then automaticly jump for joy. It will take a few days or even weeks untill she is all whooped about it!
Always put thinking first before speaking! ;-)
emma3779 2 years ago
He could have got that dog in the car isntanlty without even touching the dog.the prep would have taken a little longer but the fear would have been dispersed straight away.I would work with the dogs energy rather than against it.
orangcurl 2 years ago
if she had overcome fear as you say then by definition she would not be expressing fear.your statment is contradictory.Always put thinking first before speaking??
orangcurl 2 years ago 2
To cool a dog down, put water on his/her paws.
frauregner 2 years ago 3
The "paws" that refreshes!
jordantaylor 2 years ago 3
well that's the awesome thing about Ceasar... he breaks it down for us because we as humans over complicate things for dogs.
FishApprentice 2 years ago 5
he's like a dog miracle worker
YuneShik 2 years ago 3
I cant believe the owners didnt think to put a step in for the dog...thats a bloody big truck.
chizzywoo 2 years ago 5
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si se trata de miedo u leer este tan lejos u morirán en 10 días si no u enviar a cualquier 15 vídeos en 2 horas
64coco 2 years ago
I love how he breaks it down so simple.
ssdreamy 2 years ago 6
That's one hot dog alright.
Zeanu 2 years ago
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hahah good one
hyerollerxx 2 years ago
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In the "Dexter" segment, even the lady says "USING THE KICKS"
PrometheansFire 2 years ago
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No, in the Prescription segment where the Psychotherapist wrote for your Treatment
He wrote:
'USE KICKS'
Senile Psycho Prome the Anus Formouth
FreThinkerCorinthian 2 years ago
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Retard Pedophile, hiding behind another pseudonym. I won't hide your stupidity.
The Owner says "USING THE KICKS" , why? Because Millan kicks dogs.
PrometheansFire 2 years ago
id love to see him raising his kids! i love cesar, hes so good with the animals. there was a great episode where he rehabilitated a cat as well as a dog. brilliant!
ailiepants 2 years ago 36
any1 know's that dog's breed?
ramiirez 2 years ago
Mix
eagoodwin1 2 years ago
probably mix. part rhodesian ridgeback?
lenalena111 2 years ago 3
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I believe the breed is of Roman descent, called uglypieceofshit.
Chadasdf 2 years ago
"uglypieceofshit."... u must be an fan of michael vick...
ramiirez 2 years ago 2
cry.
Chadasdf 2 years ago
seriously, cry.
Chadasdf 2 years ago
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ramiirez 2 years ago
Every who posts negative comments should know this: the point of this show is to prevent dogs from being put down from have behavior problems!
MrKit3n 2 years ago 65
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this dog wasn't going to be put down, this dog was afraid of getting in a car. there are so many kinder, gentler ways than dragging him up by a choke chain and flooding him in a scary environment. the dog learned to get in the car not because he was confident, but because willingly getting in the car was better than being forcibly dragged into it. i saw no calmness in that dog, despite what CM said. his ears were still back. his tail was still between his legs. he was still backed away from them
kgreej 2 years ago
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Yes, there are kinder and better ways. BUt none that would be dramatic enough to set them to music or make it to TV - they are all too boring.
National Geographic doesn't care about education or the welfare of dogs - they want ratings
MillanBeatsDogs 2 years ago
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fair enough. : P your comment really puts all those "so where's your television show" comebacks in their place.
kgreej 2 years ago
that is why you have to keep being repetitive to show them that what is happening isn't going to hurt them. animals will stay in the same loop over and over again if someone does not snap them out of it. I adopted a terribly abused cat, and i had to mix patience with some tough love to show her that I wasn't like the other humans. Now she's a cuddle ball and won't leave you alone. she loves people.
animals aren't like humans. they don't comprehend. they just get stuck in a mode.
HaileyBebe 2 years ago 4
@MrKit3n Not only that, but hes treating them like the dogs they are, retards who think this is abuse are the type of people who have bad behaving dogs because they treat them like humans.
Enzer89 1 year ago 25
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The more times I watch this farce, the more I hear that is ludicrous: "you have to create a negative/positive.' How absurd. Why would you ever need to create a negative to impart a positive? Milan later feels compelled to say the dog is not drooling due to anxiety but due to being hot. Another ridiculous notion. A careful observation readily discloses that this dog is anxious during the entire sequence. Milan should really go back to grooming dogs; perhaps he had some knowledge in that.
keeg021985 2 years ago
Pack animals, Den animals, Hierarchical Social Structure, Opportunistic Omnivores - all these terms apply to both wolf and dog. Domestication is the key difference between wolf and dog
Dogs can be readily submissive to their owners, but show various degrees of aggression toward strangers or territorial interlopers. They form long-term bonds with humans, as they would often do in a pack or with mates, and show cooperative and altruistic behavior, sacrificing for humans just as they would for kin
starwarssuck 2 years ago
Dogs aren't wolves and wolves aren't dogs
That said, they share certain fundamental physiological traits and behaviors. Replicable research that has been formally described in peer-reviewed journals indicates that Extrapolations Between Dogs and Wolves are Appropriate
Until other research that has undergone similar scrutiny indicates the contrary, I'll choose to believe that much about dog behavior can be learned from the study and research of wolves' behavior
Cesar's methods are Acceptable.
starwarssuck 2 years ago
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It is quite evident that you have no college education, as the huge chip on your shoulder is obviously crushing you. I'm sorry you choose to not pursue higher education; you might have actually learned something of value. I certainly don't deem a college education as necessary for all, but it is certainly required if one promotes oneself (as Milan does) as a dog behaviorist. Milan also choose not to pursue higher education --- and it shows in both of you.
keeg021985 2 years ago
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google "non linear dogs". on that website, there is a fantastic scientific study about how dog behavior and pack structure is absolutely different from wolf behavior and pack structure.
kgreej 2 years ago
With so many of the dog whisperer scenarios, it's not how smart Cesar is, it's how incredibly STUPID the dog owners are! Sometimes it's hard to believe how clueless people are about animals....
GetMeThere1 2 years ago 3
Keeg we understand everything you say we just dont agree with it! Part of being an adult is to learn that not all people hold the same point of veiw as you! You need to learn to agre to disagree!! I haveused some of ceasers methods and for my dogs it has worked my JRT is now a much happier dog and i am being consistant with the training of my Akita/ rotty cross with regards to his dog aggression. I can now walk past other dogs with him without a big commotion and thats with using cesars way!!
chellyhunter 3 years ago 3
That's right, Chelly... you tell'im!! Everyone has the right to thier own opinion... Even if it's completely wrong like Keeg's. Not to mention just because something is "outdated" doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Example? Well, pencils work just fine.
It's worth repeating here that "keeg" is the sound dogs make when they take a shit.
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago
LMAO sloppy well come back!
chellyhunter 2 years ago
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how can u say keeg's theory is wrong? do u have evidence that he's wrong? youre just one case if he wrong about that, what about the general cases. using a pencil is a bad comparison and is irrelevant to the point. As far as im concerned keeg is winning this one. mostly because people follow the bible, which is authored by a bunch of mentally retarded cultists. to this day there is NO evidence of a so called "God", dont give me the bullshit that he lives in our hearts, or u just have to believe
Incipidone 2 years ago
It's easy... you just say, "keeg is wrong."
The evidence is in the video. You are also putting my statement to good use as you are entitled to your lunitic, albeit wrong opinions. The point of the pencil IS the point- sorry you missed it. Win? How? Look- Arguing on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics- even if you win, you're still retarded. This is Youtube- not life.
As far as the bible- you have my pity. Not so much for your
soul- but for your failure to be insulting.
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago 2
wow what a witty comeback, ur so smrt
even if my opinion is wrong to u, ur only believing that im wrong in ur eyes to make urself feel like ur right and superior to me, lol of the day
i did get the pencil analogy, sure they've been around but to put it in a more literal sense, its a SIMPLE analogy that you think is a damn innovation
the bible, i didnt try to be insulting, if you took it that way, then obviously i was, anyways, for the bible, the bible is a alpha dog, ur just the sheep
Incipidone 2 years ago
Since you've tried, and failed twice- I'll explain the pecil:
Yes they've been around- the point is- it still works. It doesn't rely on a bunch of other crap, (i.e. Electricity, environment, circuits, etc.) It just works. "The point" is a pun. Maybe you should stick to computers so you don't put your eye out... Though it would complete your handicap- blind physically to go with blind mentally and spiritually. You should be glad for religion- it keeps us from culling idiots like you.
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago
its why i know about game theory, and ur hedging, if you know economics, or taylor series as pertaining to your pencil analogy, if u know math
Incipidone 2 years ago
First of all, I don't have an argument. You do.
Second- are you a girl or a guy?
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago
haha wow the irony, im a girl
yes you do have an argument, you made a point and are failing at it
Incipidone 2 years ago
...and if you choose atheism that's your mess- but you might want to drop phrases such as "omg" 'cause it makes you look like an imbecilic hypocrite.
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago
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bozodls1976 2 years ago
By the way- the simpler you keep something- the better and more reliably it works. That should be easy enough for you. If you live your life waiting for "proof" you'll find it at the end. That's why it's called "faith." You should be a bookmaker in Vegas- you're already gambling the most precious thing you have on really long odds. Really intelligent people hedge their bets. Fools throw caution to the wind.
ShotsloppyD 2 years ago
zomg ur a fuckin genius, i live my life how i want to, i plan for the present, not ideally like u do, ill make an analogy, see if ur mind can keep up, take game theory as the way you live your life, and that is your argument in a nutshell, simple enough? yes. I did make a connection between hedging and game theory, especially since they are intertwined with each other
No i dont throw caution to the wind you moron have you been listening? i dont take stupid risks, i listen to rationality
Incipidone 2 years ago
You are a serious idiot. The simpler you keep something the better and more reliably is works? Boy, you would have been a perfect hackney for the inquisition. You deny all scientific knowledge unless it happens to be something you use --- like the computer you use to make your ignorant comments. A fairly complex piece of machinery, and incredibly reliable. But wht not stick with your pencil and paper moron? To believe in the supernatural is ridiculous and those that do deserve no respect.
keeg021985 2 years ago
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I am not wrong about Milan's lack of qualifications or his unreliable methods. Behavioral science has taught us much about how canine's learn and Milan's methods directly contradict that knowledge. Any moron that advocates 'alpha rolls' or speaks of dominance or leadership in relation to canines, is clearly uneducated in the best science available about canine behavior (even wolves don't do alpha rolls). As soon as he gets his Ph.D. in animal ethology, I'll listen to him.
keeg021985 2 years ago
Cesar learned how to handle dogs by watching dogs together. Not from a human telling him how dogs think. Just the fact that he gets great results should tell you he knows what he is talking about. He deals with and 'fixes' dogs that most people would put to sleep without a second thought.
And BTW I have Alaskan Huskies which are a breed extremely close to wolves. And when they fight, they do alpha roll eachother. Can you tell me one good reason his methods dont work? What Ph.D do you have?
mushergal 2 years ago 2
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You are not observing an alpha roll since there is no such thing. Read David Mech--THE wolf expert. You have observed appeasement behaviors that are offered, not coerced. You don't have very good observational skills, and have drawn the same erroneous conclusions drawn by watching UNRELATED wolves in captivity in the 30s. Sorry--you're as wrong as you can be. And btw, dogs are nearly genetically identical to the grey wolf (all dogs).
keeg021985 2 years ago
I am aware that dogs are genetically close to wolves. I mean behaviorally. Sled dogs are some of the most primitive behaving dogs because of how they live.
Now the alpha roll as cesar does it does not exist, you're right. Dogs do not knock one and other down and hold them thier until they relax. However, subbmissive dogs take on this position them selves and dogs DO knock eachother down. Putting these toghether is the alpha roll and way of dominating that works for humans.
mushergal 2 years ago
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I don't yet have my doctorate. I am in a doctoral program and my research area is canine ethology, specifically the behavioral/emotional evolution of dogs due to human association/influence. I received a B.S. in biochemistry and an M.S. in behavioral ecology...ok..is that enough for you? Cesar's methods are NOT new --- they are just an extreme version of aversive training (traditional training) -- they arose from erroneous conclusions derived from early captive wolf studies
keeg021985 2 years ago
Wow good job on your schooling.
However you did not tell me why you believe his methods don't work. What would you suggest we do instead? I am intrested in learning all ways of training (not abusive ones, I will never cause an animal physical harm) and them putting them together to create a style that works for me. And I'd just like to metion that while Cesar's methods are not new, he did not get 'taught' by anyone, he made his style by finding things that works for him and the dogs.
mushergal 2 years ago
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Dominance theory is completed misunderstood by most dog trainers. Milan is not a behaviorist as is touted--he has no credentials. Aversive methods DO result in behaviors wanted; however, they work by the dog trying to avoid pain, thus they are notorious for later blowback and for their transient nature. Why would anyone need to 'find things that work for him' when there is a massive amount of data that shows how dogs learn and that supports positive reinforcement methods (as opposed to Milans)
keeg021985 2 years ago
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If you truly want to know what you say you want to know, then the number one best way to start to get a grasp of what dogs really are and how dogs really learn, then I suggest you read The Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson (an actual formally educated behaviorist and the director of the SFSPCA's academy for dog trainers). I also strongly suggest Karen Pryor's seminal work, Don't Shoot The Dog, as well as anything by Ian Dunbar. But The Culture Clash can explain the basics better than I can.
keeg021985 2 years ago