Vanessa you are a star. You are a great actress and nice human being. Others, Jewish or not will try to stop you but they will not succeed and how would they? No one can stop the sun to shine and no one can stop the truth to come out. Thanks Van I wish you all the best
LOL vanessa redgrave was a good actress infact one of the best once but then she had to go and be a supporter and apologist for everything wrong in the world whether it be the Pali fake cause or Chechen terrorists, she should rename this to Poems from Terrorists with love the Loony Left brigade actors should stay away from politics
Can we not take this opportunity to have an actual discussion? Whatever our personal beleifs and predjudices can we please try to be open minded? To talk civily, and with respect? I have no problem with homosexuality (eg), but that's just how I was brought up, in places ALL OVER the world I might have turned out rabidly homophobic- we need to talk, not throw insults and nurse our hatreds. That is neither strong, nor honourable- and nothing will ever change.
Why does Hollywood always feel the need to get involved with issues they have no knowledge of? Sorry Vanessa Redgrave, but you wouldn't know a national security threat if it were staring you in the face.
That is a ridiculous generalization. No poll comes back 100% on ANYTHING! What you are basically saying is "there are no good muslims", and that is a nazi type statement. You are just demonizing people and lying, because if you had any idea what you're talking about, you'd know that most muslims would never advocate such an extreme position.
By the way, donkeyassman, am I to take it that christianity or judaism is not intolerant of gays? How about you? Are you a big "gay rights" advocate? Let me hear you say it. I'm just curious, because I have this feeling you can't bring yourself to advocate gay rights.
Iran does not kill homosexuals, you're thinking of Saudi Arabia, which has had a cozy relationship with the US government for a long time now. We give huge amounts of money to several arab countries which just happen to be dictatorships, like egypt and syria, for instance. You want to hear of one muslim country that tolerates homosexuality, Turkey! But honestly I'm sick of defending islam to extremist bigots such as yourself, on the basis that they are bigots no less.
Why do you Leftists defend Islamic radicals who wish to kill all homosexuals, oppress all women and destroy all of the civil liberties you always scream bloody murder about?
I do not defend anybody who wants to kill homosexuals or oppress women or destroy civil liberties. It may come as a shock to you that not all muslims are the same, and the countries where those things are done (in the name of religion) are fascist dictatorships, most of them supported by the US. Could it possibly be that fascism, and not religion, is the real culprit? If you claim that muslims are nazis simply because they are muslims, then it is you who is the nazi.
Now, here's a question for you, do you really believe the innocent human rights worker, who wrote the poem featured in this video is a nazi? Could you explain to us what exactly makes him a nazi, could it be the fact that he was a human rights worker, or is it the fact that he's being tortured?
Oh, and one more thing, intolerance to gays and mistreatment of women, and (believe it or not) disdain for civil rights can also be found in christianity, but we don't have to worry about those things here, do you know why? Because we aren't ruled by a monarch or dictator who uses religion as an excuse to put his boot on the neck of the people and oppress them.
There has been no "inhuman" treatment of these murderous prisoners. That is nothing but a BIG LIE. Why do you Leftists defend Islamic radicals who wish to kill all homosexuals, oppress all women and destroy all of the civil liberties you always scream bloody murder about?
Would you be so worried about the "rights" of Nazi POW's during World War 2?
Yes, she's murdering people because she read a poem written by an innocent double amputee human rights worker who is being held without trial and tortured for the rest of his life for the crime of being an arab! Her name is so appropriate, isn't it, donkeyassman?
This woman and her admirers are mentally ill. There is nothing poetic or morally redeeming about Islamic Nazis. These monsters wish to destroy freedom, kill all homosexuals and subjugate all women. How Liberals can sympathize with them is beyond all sanity.
No one has been tried yet - that is what people are protesting as well as the inhuman treatment of the prisoners. You are jumping the gun my friend!!!
How many arabs have you met during your life time? How many times have you been to the middle east? How much do you even know about what has been done to arabs during the past 100 years?
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Doesn't this stupid bitch know that the assholes in Gtmo are terrorists and killers like Kaleed Sheik Muhammed? Anyone who agrees with this self-serving crap has their head straight up their ass. I hope they make the guys in Gtmo eat the cock-meat sandwich.
That's your own concience that has to speak out to answer you. No one else shall take that assesment but you and with that choice you put in the middle also your believes, your past, your family, your inheritage...Yourself.For in the end you alone shall be in front of God to justify yourself and what you did according to your education and values. No one else. Hence: be strong believer of what you claim, for in the end only you shall defend it, reached the moment...
Class. Class. Class. She is class and it is a joy and a sadness to see her in the Camelot clip "Lusty Month of May". What a talent and gorgeous beauty. I thought I was watching Natasha. I'm crying inside. We're missing out on that beautiful talent, like her mother. Vanessa Redgrave is sheer elegant class that puts prestige on ANYTHING she says or touches.
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She's a naive, and self-righteous, idiot. I'm sure she means well, but. this is why actors should stay out of politics. Being an actor doesn't qualify an understanding of history or politics, quite the contrary.
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don't forget all of the drug fields in his home town.
thank goodness for all of the abuse to the shit bags in our jails. fuck them. they should've used duck tape to close off their faces so they would die. fuck those people.
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pathetic sick woman. she never met a radical left wing cause she didn't embrace, even to the detriment of bringing up her children. they went through straightened financial times, while she gave huge amounts of money to finance the palestinians. she and her brother Corin are a couple of real nutters.
I second that. If she was supporting Israel she would be considered a saint. Just because she helps innocent Palestinians she's sick? No I don't think so.
When commenting on where the detainees will go once Guantanamo is closed the Dutch Foreign Minister, Maxime Verthagen said, Dont forget these inmates are not kittens-its a risk for us to bring them into Europe. It seems a number of the detainees home countries dont want them either. Perhaps you could volunteer to let these lovely poets live with you. I doubt if Vanessa Redgrave will be extending them an invitation.
I am happy that here fucking bitch daughter has died away. Hope soon will be your will be next. God will here my prey
. I and all 400.000 ethnically cleansed from Chechnya will pry for it. She support Nazi ethnic cleansing in Chechnya. Fucking old bitchI now, Fucking old bitch, your tern to suffer!!!!
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These animals in camp delta should have been exectued. They get to write poems!!!!. Damn what is this country coming to. America loves her lifestyle, and included is the liberal left, they take our world trade centers down (3300 dead) in a act of war, we round these assholes up only to detain them, then let them go to kill again. I only hope they kill the ones that had sympathy for them. They should have executed one by one, with a 45 acp cell by cell, game over.
The voice of Fox News audience demographics. The typical stupid American who doesn't know much about politics. 99% of Guantanamo detainees didn't commit a single crime. They were labeled terrorists by the biggest terrorist the world has ever known.. George W. Bush"!
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Mr.Cuulmann tell that to the dead woman that was killed by a detainee in Indonesia. Let em go, hope they get you first, You are nothing to them, labeled as a satan. You bunch of liberals will never learn, but will only understand when you are vaporized by a terrorists nuclear device. Ali Akabar Mr. Culmann
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Well, the bad guys don't think that they are doing anything wrong. So yes, according to them, 99% of them did nothing jail worthy. Fuck you and fuck them.
When commenting on where the detainees will go once Guantanamo is closed the Dutch Foreign Minister, Maxime Verthagen said, Dont forget these inmates are not kittens-its a risk for us to bring them into Europe. It seems a number of the detainees home countries dont want them either. Perhaps you could volunteer to let these lovely poets live with you. I doubt if Vanessa Redgrave will be extending them an invitation.
19999ytr: Have a look at how your own govt is treating your 'heroes'... you know, the ones who invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Look at the tens of thousands of ex-soldiers who have been dumped after they have been used up. This should give you an idea of who you're rooting for. LOL
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cytuber, You must be from a foreign country. This ole boy has not been used up or dumped, nor has my U.S. Army friend with 1 arm missing from the Iraq war. You would not know what freedom was if it hit you in the ass. Your comment could not have come from an American citizen, probably from one of those comunist country's. If you are american you are speaking on a blog because of your freedom to do so, try doing it North Korea and see what happens. Where do they get em!!!!!.
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Are you still yearning for acceptance from the rich Brahmin parents you referred to above? Could the lack of love from your parents be leading to the anger and the anti-Semitism you spew? Is this unhappiness the cause of many of the delusional posts? You are quite the case study. Seriously, get some professional help. I am not kidding nor am I trying to get your goat. Get some help. That anger will only eat you alive and you will wind up old, sick and alone. If that happens remember this post.
I never needed to ask for acceptance from my parents. It was there from day one. There's no anti-Semetism in what I write. You, Homer, are the "case study".
When someone disagress with your all-too-predictable bourgeois attitude do you alway go for the "get some help" since my view does not concur with your own.
How eccumenical.
You'd know something about being "alone", "old", and "sick" I suspect now wouldn't you.
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A great man once said he'd rather 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent imprisoned. He never dealt with these kind of terrorists. If in fact this man is truly innocent, I'm sorry for him and his family. As far as poor medical treatment, I call bullshit. That camp is under the microscope. If they really wanted to treat them poorly, they could take away their prayer time. Closing Gitmo is a mistake America will probably pay for later...
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You said it! This page has a few posts insinuating that we rounded up some innocent ice cream salesmen in Iraq just for the hell of it. Often that post is made by someone in the US who is enjoying the freedom provided by the military while at the same time trashing it. They sit on their high horses and have academic discussions about legal points and for them it is easy because they discount the actions of the terrorist. Hopefully this decision won't come back on us but like you I am concerned.
"They sit on their high horses and have academic discussions.."
Well someone needs an intellectual discussion since irresponsible brute force has gotten us into our present predicament for the last eight years.
By the way a decision can't hope. Never begin a sentence with "hopefully" unless you follow it with the pronoun "I". But all things considered grammatically it's best to avoid the word all together.
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Shubael claims not to be an anti-Semite even though he uses terms like "Zionist hoodlums." Shuabel is a fraud who evidently denies even his own words and feelings. Given the nature of his hate who can blame him. I suspect in his inner heart he hates himself most of all.
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Typical hateful response. By the way there is no need to correct any typos you make. I am not as anal nor as childish to critique you the way you do others. Concentrate on working on other skills other than your spelling.
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Vanessa defends terrorists, but outside the borders of Guantanamo base, there is a country named Cuba & Castro has taken away every single civil & human right for half a century, the cruelest tyranny in this hemisphere, 50 long years that Cubans have been deprived of democratic elections, right of free speech, association, etc. A country where prostitution rules, fear, executions; more than 2 million Cubans have left their beautiful island because of this tyrant. Redgrave approves the tyrant.
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"Shubael1809" Please get your information straight, do not make such a fool of yourself. It is in the Cuban internet news Granma & get your information. Vanessa visited Cuba several weeks ago, praised the tyrant Castro & the communist revolution. You can Google & find all details, something that Cubans can't do there. Get the information, please, do not guess, doesn't make you look good.
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That Shubael is one angry guy. He curses and name calls if you disagree with him. He misstates facts. He doesn't read the replies but drones on "BUSH is evil". When you ask him a question he ignores it unless the answer is "BUSH is evil". He knows it all especially if it relates to "BUSH is evil". He is more noble then everyone especially that "evil BUSH". He hates the country especially that "evil BUSH." He praises terrorists and their supporters. Did you know he thinks "BUSH is evil"?
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Shibael claims to be a well educated man with a fancy degree. Note the courteous and well thought out language he uses in the post above when answering a person who disagrees with him.
I don't recall ever saying I had a "fancy degree".
I said I had a doctorate from Christ Church Oxford. I do. Why's that fancy? Is anything over a third grade education considered too East Coast for you?
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When commenting about closing Gitmo, President Obama said 10 days ago on ABC "it is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize" and that "many" of the enemey combatants are "very dangerous". So I guess this situation is not as simplistic as Redgrave thinks. For example no country has agreed to contain KSM (the admitted planner of 9/11) while we figure out a legal process that satisfies the ACLU and Redgrave. Maybe he could live with her and read her his poems?
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Shuabel claims not to be an anti-Semite but in the post above he cheers a person on who is rooting for the destruction of Israel and the Zionist. What is the matter Shuabel didn't they teach you the meaning of anti-Semitism in that fancy college you went to?
When commenting on where the detainees will go once Guantanamo is closed the Dutch Foreign Minister, Maxime Verthagen said, Dont forget these inmates are not kittens-its a risk for us to bring them into Europe. It seems a number of the detainees home countries dont want them either. Perhaps you could volunteer to let these lovely poets live with you. I doubt if Vanessa Redgrave will be extending them an invitation.
When commenting on where the detainees will go once Guantanamo is closed the Dutch Foreign Minister, Maxime Verthagen said, Dont forget these inmates are not kittens-its a risk for us to bring them into Europe. It seems a number of the detainees home countries dont want them either. Perhaps you could volunteer to let these lovely poets live with you. I doubt if Vanessa Redgrave will be extending them an invitation.
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Here is Shubael trying to act like a tough guy. I know that is a stretch for you Shuabel. Are you trying to show your rich dad that you can be a man. I guess after this particular post even Shuabel could not keep up the charade and end it with a fancy foreign phrase to show off his supposed high IQ.
What, pray tell, would prohibit me from actually BEING a "tough guy"? What ever are you suggesting?
I have no need to prove my gender to my father. And don't you think it would be a bit odd if I whipped out my schlong in front of him simply to satisfy some boob on YouTube? No. I'm sure he saw it when I was a tot.
I can keep up anything as long as I like (if you get my drift).
I'm just a bit bored with your mediocre retorts. :-) But fire away if you want.
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Your gender (male) has nothing to do with being a man. A man does not curse or show anger when someone disagrees with him. A man does not use racist terms. A man does not act like a martyr. A man is discreet in his public conversations. Your sexuality is your business. So no I don't need to "see your schlong" or hear about your durablity. I would like to see an adult, civil reply. See if you are man enough to accomplish that.
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"hilarycutter" You have said it so well! This woman reminds me those that fall in love with murders & rapists. There is no love in her, but admiration towards those criminals. People of her kind justify sick minds, child molesters, abusers, etc., never expect any thing different from her kind. She is a hypocrite that lives in a free country & enjoy the best of life without sharing a bit with the one in need. They are as evil as the bombers.
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Its ironic to see the compassion, sense of justice & love that Miss Redgrave feels for terrorists & bomb-suicidal, but no compassion for the rest of that society, specially the terrorized women by the Islam. No denounce for the use & training of children for those attacks on her part. Those fanatics that celebrated in the streets the criminal 9/11 attacks deserve her support because she has a huge conscience, Wow! Thats great to you. No I do not like Bush, but I dont like Vanessa either.
Redgrave's compassion extends to all those who are incapable of defending themselves (she's a global Ambassado for UNICEF TOO did you know?). You misread Redgrave anna since she focuses on those who cannot defend themselves. She realizes all terrorist aren't "foreign looking" and wear turbans. She knows by her own words many are in our midst (Blair, Bush, Cheney, etc.)
9/11 was an atrocity but payback has been disproportionate and directed at the wrong foe. And yes her compassion is vast.
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Today the charges against Abd al-Nashiri, a prisoner at Gitmo accused of planning the bombing of the Cole were dismissed as the first step towards complying with President Obama's order to close Gitmo. It's ironic that the sailors who loss their life in the attack were on the ship to help secure the freedom of Ms. Redgrave to cry her crocodile tears. Do you have a practical suggestion on how to handle the case of any prisoner who is refused re-entry to their homeland?
No. No I don't personally have a practical suggestion on how to handle the case of any prsoner who is refused re-entry to his homeland. But I can tell you that any and all efforts by the present Administration to shut down that sadistic hole in Cuba (where American legal ethics are cast to the wind) is, in my view, a worthwhile endeavor.
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Unfortunately the president does not have the luxury to let the details fall into place. He has to come up with an answer. Since you admittedly dont have a suggestion, would you at least concede it is not a simplistic problem? You are correct, it is only an accusation at this point. Do you have any objection to holding a trial and in your opinion should Al-Nashiri be given the same constitutional rights as a United States citizen?
The previous resident of the Oval Office didn't have the luxury to place detainees there without benefit of due process either.. but that's irrelevant to you?
Certainly hold the trial. High time. Get to the truth. If we've detained Al-Nashiri he should be given the same INTERNATIONAL rights as any other foreign detainee.
To date he's not been (along with a multitude of others).
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So by shouting international I assume you are in agreement that the detainees should not have the same level of due process as a US citizen? Our society will be risking that there may be future mayhem from a released detainee which I think is a necessary price we pay to ensure our own individual freedoms. I just think it is fair that we acknowledge that risk before we go back to the comfort of our freedoms which in part has been provided for by military means. These poems do none of this.
That was emphasis. And yes I do by the terms of Internatinal law not American.
There's been enough mayhem at the hands of a reactionary petulant Bush Administration over the last eight years which has taken the lives of ten thousand innocent American soldiers and 80 thousand innocent Iraqis - all directed against the wrong enemy.
There is no "comfort in our freedoms". Bush saw to that.
These poems illustrate that we're ALL human. Why is that lost on you?
@Shubael1809 Well it has been over a year since your overly simplistic post. What a shock, you were wrong. The details have not fallen into place and Gitmo is still open. Since you can no longer blame Bush or the neocons I was wondering what your thoughts are now. Could it be that President Obama broke his promise to close Gitmo because he realized the danger in releasing the remaining inmates?
@brandywineraceway Yes. I can blame Bush and Cheney. And I do too. Not everything, dear brandyswine, can be done in a moment's notice. Could it be that you're as impatient as all the other Bushites who rallied behind him as he created this economic mess and perpetuated Guantamemo? Yup. It sure could be. Now you just shut the fuck up and sit back and realize this shit takes time to undo you moron.
And have you really been waiting a YEAR to post that? LOL ... time for a life.
A moments notice? The current president promised he would have Gitmo closed in a year nearly two years ago. I was only holding him to his own timetable. As far as waiting one year to reply to you I was hoping for a change in your boorish behavior. Oh well, just another example where Hope and Change was an empty promise. If Gitmo is closed in the next 365 days why don’t you invite one of the inmates over for some tea and lady fingers? I will send you a post next November. Have a grand year.
@brandywineraceway blah, blah, blah.. and the last President said there was no question that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. So what else is new? At least this President didn't lie about 9/11 to a blood-hungry American public the way Bush did and his intentions are HONORABLE. What is it with you warmongers that think Ghengis Khan ought to be President rather than a true Statesman much in that same way Jefferson was? Bush was the one who chose to bail out Wall Street idiot!
Last week the Democratic controlled Congress voted overwhelmingly to de-fund any effort to shut down Gitmo. Even Obama has ceased pretending it will be closed. Instead he has increased the drone attacks in Afghanistan. Drones don’t take prisoners or ask questions. Your “statesman” is in favor of killing suspects. Why no outcry against the current administration by you? Perhaps outrage and name calling directed only toward the previous administration allows you to maintain your naïve opinions.
@brandywineraceway You, sir, are the one who suffers from naïveté. You have no sense of proportion or nuance. You're Johnny one note and for you to imagine our President solely able to control every campaign promise he proferred I'd ask you to recall the line "read my lips. NO NEW TAXES". Stop obsessing over me. We are ENTIRELY different men with very different priorities. I leave you to yours. George Walker Bush has not been maligned by me nearly to the degree he might. He exposes himself.
@Shubael1809 I applaud Obama’s change in position. We live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going do it? You? You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want our military on that wall! Our fighting men do not have the time or the inclination to apologize to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it!
@brandywineraceway You appear to need someone to be the enemy. And you see things only in black and white. You are a very different sort of man than I. NEVER FORGET those they now call the "Founding Fathers" were traitors to their government. Your "patriotism" is based in dissent. When this country goes astray it is your civil duty (and mine) to civilly disobey. Those "Founding Fathers" would never have approved of your modus operandi I assure you.
@Shubael1809 Another year has gone by and Gitmo is still not closed.I guess you were wrong (shocker) again. BTW, over the last year Bin Laden thankfully was hunted down and killed without any due process. As Otter asked in Animal House, “I put it to you, Shuabel: is this an indictment of our entire American society? “ I included a reference this year, since you did not realize that last year’s post was straight out of the movies, and you responded (as usual) in anger. RU at Occupy Wall Street?
@brandywineraceway Yeah? And under whose direction has Bin Laden and his second in command been killed? OBAMA that's who. Actually you pointless waste of human space, I've been to Occupy Boston. Boston's always first in righting the wrongs in this country. Yes, by-in-large, (like you) this American Society is nothing short of a bunch of non-thinkings robotic religionists who're only interested in THEIR OWN welfare. Yupt the notion of Palin and Perry in charge makes a fella kind of angry.
@Shubael1809 I am Shubael. I sit in a park tilting at windmills and think I am accomplishing something. I am Shubael. I make inconsistent arguments. I am Shubael. I support lack of due process when it is carried out by OBAMA and deride it when it is carried out by others. I am Shubael. I am a self-absorbed child who pretends to relate to 99% of people but in fact has nothing but contempt for those 99%. I am Shubael. I am a robot. I am Shubael. I am angry. I am Shubael. LOL.
@brandywineraceway You're not "Shubael". You're simply another member of the ignorant American masses. You've proved that time and time again with your anti-intellectual postings.
@Shubael1809 You wouldn't know an intellectual if you tripped over one. Speaking of tripping, be careful when you are walking around Occupy. Make sure you don't trip over any of the buckets that the campers use to defecate in. Just a question. Do you have to squat when you pee into a bucket?
@brandywineraceway Well, you're obviously bright and well-schooled. First you end a sentence with a preposition.Next your arsenal of insults is so limited that you resort, in your last sentence, to the predictable, hackneyed, stereotypical gay slur. Yes. I'm convinced all right. You're an immensely informed former Rhodes Scholar with a monumental grasp of the nature of humankind and the subtlies which make truly bright indiviudals a pleasure to know. Heterosexual men are easily threatened .
@Shubael1809 Perhaps I should have used "LMAO" instead which is ironic because you are such a humorless little man. I hope my tax dollars aren't paying for your Risperdal, Seroquel or Thorazine.
@Shubael1809 Shubael. For full effect, make sure you read the other post using the voice of HAL in 2001. Just a question. If you and your fellow occupiers represent 99% of the people why aren’t those 99% sitting around in the park with you? News flash. Those 99% are the true backbone of this country and they have busy meaningful days. They have responsibilities. Their taxes help pay for the city services needed to babysit the occupiers. Have a good year and don’t forget to take your meds.
@brandywineraceway This country has a "backbone". You'll find them camped out against corporate greed in major cities all over this country. But that "backbone" of which you speak stops with them and those who support them. Seen the pepper spray video yet? Fascists all.
@Shubael1809 If the backbone of this country was made up of those “who are camped out against corporate greed in major cities all over the country” it would be a pretty small backbone. Thankfully as usual you are mistaken. The backbone of the country is made up of adults who don’t just sit in a park, don’t defecate in a park, and don’t use drugs in a park. Did you see the “Burn down Macy’s video”? The backbone you refer to is just a horse’s ass.
@brandywineraceway Your grammar is appalling. Troubling that you believed it when your daddy told you that "real men" are in charge and must show a "backbone" (odd use contextually) when they interact socially. Irony is that you're an invertebrate even by your own standard if what you write is representative. "Thankfully" needs a verb to modify. Also; Avoid adverbs like "thankfully", and "hopefully", since more often than not they should be followed by a comma, then the proposition "I'.
"Today the charges against Abd al-Nashiri, a prisoner at Gitmo accused of planning the bombing of the Cole were dismissed as the first step towards complying with President Obama's order to close Gitmo"
...key word "accused".
You illustrate the problem with Guantanamo Bay perfectly.
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You sure do have a knack for obfuscation, generalization and overstatement. I would suggest that many people disagree with you about the level of freedom in our country. Witness the thousands that come here each year. Perhaps they have a perspective of America that you do not appreciate. Is it possible that their opinion about the country is right and you may be wrong? Here is a freedom you could exercise; move to whatever nirvana-like country you think is better.
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Secondly, the level of American soldier deaths during Bushs term was far below 10,000. I am not sure where your figure comes from or if it includes any deaths that occurred in fighting whoever you have deemed to be our enemy. Is Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan included in your definition of the right enemy?
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Lastly, just because someone disagrees with you on policy doesnt mean they are unaware that everyone is human. So take a chill pill Captain Obvious and try and tone down your sense of martyrdom/persecution/anger. These poems are as one-sided as you are.
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How is it a lie? I was only commenting on your (now admitted) overstatement of American deaths. I made no mention of the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of your Iraqi death totals. Nor was I discounting them, although you obviously have no concern for the multitude of Shia and Kurds killed by Saddam Hussein because I dont ever see a mention of them in your numerous rants.
"was only commenting on your (now admitted) overstatement of American deaths."
I see a minimalization of the near- 100,000 dead who are not American in Iraq. Rants? I'll stop ranting when Am. Imperialism stops playing altruistic and concerns itself with atrocities in (for example) African countries where worse attrocities occur daily.
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If diplomatic avenues are exhausted would you be ok with using force to stamp out atrocities. If we had to sacrifice 4,000 American soldiers, kill 90,000 civilians and jail hundreds of suspects would you be ok with that providing it lead to the end of atrocities in Darfur?
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Finally some agreement. How far should we take the military action in Afghanistan? Should we use force that may lead to collateral damage or do you think that is not a good trade-off in pursuing Al-Qaeda?
It's a great pity that we now, after early successes in Afghanistan, wasted to much human life and money to fight a war against the wrong enemy. Now Pres. Obama is in the uneviable postion of making the decision to finally right things by persuing the real culprits. It's a tough call. But I don't live my life in fear of terrorism. Recall; Europeans have LIVED WITH WAR - we have not. I see Americans as often arrogant in their naiveité. Where's your concern for the dead civilian Iraqis?
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Thank you for toning down the anger. Now lets see if we can make progress on actually having a dialog. I asked if you thought collateral damage was a necessary price in the pursuit of Al-Qaeda. I did not see a direct response to that question in your reply. You imply your ok with it but that might just be my perception.
"You sure do have a knack for obfuscation, generalization and overstatement."
And you have a knack for seeing things in one dimension; that of an American Imperialist.
The old "America Love it or Leave it" slogan? Please. This country was founded in dissent and my ancestors were among those who made certain you'd not speak with an English accent.
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No one is saying you don't have the right to dissent. Nor was I saying you must "love it or leave it". I was just asking why you choose to live in what you think is a very imperfect country and why is it that so many global citizens disagree with you? Again is it possible you may be wrong about the country and the millions (including our ancestors) who decided to come here see this as the best country in the world? See if you can answer without name calling or Bush bashing and without anger.
This is what you said: "Here is a freedom you could exercise; move to whatever nirvana-like country you think is better"
That's tantamount to "America Love it or Leave it". My ancestors came here in the 17th century to escape religous persecution. Then immediately they began to impose it on others. What transpired during the subsequent generations was a Renaissance of Amer. thinking embodied in Sam Adams, Jefferson, Tom Payne, etc.
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I respectfully disagree. I didnt say you should leave I just asked why you choose not to. I think those are two different (albeit subtly thoughts. Then you go on as usual to assume you know what is in the hearts and souls of millions of humans. Listen carefully, the millions who have come here have shown by their actions (your opinion not withstanding) that they think this country is a good place.
"I didnt say you should leave I just asked why you choose not to"
Spin it however you like in retrospect but the gist of the thing was if you're dissatified with the way this country does things go find one you like better.
Don't shit an old shitter.
I know what's in the hearts and minds of those in OTHER countries since I visit yearly. They think we're a caricature of a once-great country.
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I dont know what is greater your lack of tolerance, your level of pomposity, your level of anger or your overall naïveté. I will give one example of each even though I know you wont read them carefully and you will already be crafting your response. Dont bother. I will save you the trouble. Everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot because you know everything. You feel America is evil. There, I think I captured the substance in all its complexity.
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Your lack of tolerance: This one page is filled with you classifying in a negative way everyone who disagrees with you. In your daily life if someone were to attack your views or your lifestyle wouldnt you expect that they be more tolerant? Why dont you try and extend that courtesy to others? Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to dismiss their thoughts. They are not evil (or necessarily wrong) they just disagree with you.
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Your level of pomposity: You go overseas and talk to some foreigners and you actually believe that this makes you an authority about what everyone does or should think. Millions have immigrated here because they believe the US has far more good things than bad. So for the third time, that is the proof that many do not share your view of the country. I know it is hard for you to accept that they disagree with the all-knowing Shubael.
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Your overall naïveté: You fool yourself that it is possible to wage a war without collateral damage. Maybe this makes you think you are nobler than the soldiers around the world who actually have to fight a war. It is a fact that many soldiers have had to die and do some tough things to secure your freedom. I know, according to you Bush destroyed ALL our freedoms. Many in the world would die for the freedoms you dismiss. That is why they come here in such great numbers.
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Your level of anger: Why so angry? The cursing and the name calling are sophomoric at best and perhaps speak to some deep-seeded issue that you havent come to terms with. Seriously, get some professional help otherwise that anger is going to eat you alive. Have a nice life!
With any luck you'll cease ranting endlessly about only your point of view and shut the Christ up with your dated imperalist non-humanitarian rhetoric.
You couldn't respond to one legitimate claim I made. Stuff it Mary.
I love how effortlessly Vanessa says that amputee's name...
bradley583 3 weeks ago
Lovely work. Now I'd like to see Vanessa dig up some poems written by the victims of the Guantanamo detainees and read them.
goback3spaces 1 month ago
when i get old, i wanna be like her :)
sorry for my bad english.
takemeamerica 8 months ago
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devindevon59 1 year ago
i hope you like my new poem called richard stevens spend spend spend poem.wmv you find this on you tube
MrBumlicker 1 year ago
i hope you like my new poem called richard stevens spend spend spend poem.wmv
MrBumlicker 1 year ago
Horrible fuckin bitch!
theblackmafia71 1 year ago
I hope she joins Lynn and Corin very soon.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
dumb fucking bitch......rooting for guantamo terrorists ......
jpandyaraja 1 year ago
Vanessa you are a star. You are a great actress and nice human being. Others, Jewish or not will try to stop you but they will not succeed and how would they? No one can stop the sun to shine and no one can stop the truth to come out. Thanks Van I wish you all the best
Cosmeticsurgery1 1 year ago
How can the world stand by while such injustices exist. There is indeed evil in the world, it's called apathy.
Thank you Vanessa.
apoetRune 1 year ago
Who the fuck is she doing this for? ... who is she reaching, whos opinion is swayed?
M0THERKN0WSBEST 1 year ago
@M0THERKN0WSBEST
Not for the assassins, not for the sionists...only for the liberty
Cosmeticsurgery1 1 year ago
LOL vanessa redgrave was a good actress infact one of the best once but then she had to go and be a supporter and apologist for everything wrong in the world whether it be the Pali fake cause or Chechen terrorists, she should rename this to Poems from Terrorists with love the Loony Left brigade actors should stay away from politics
FreeSecularIran2009 1 year ago
A very moving reading by Mrs Redgrave highlighting the ongoing abuse of detainees at camp BUSH,CHENEY,RUMSFELT ETC ETC!
A bloody disgrace to any right thinking person....................
simey44 1 year ago
Can we not take this opportunity to have an actual discussion? Whatever our personal beleifs and predjudices can we please try to be open minded? To talk civily, and with respect? I have no problem with homosexuality (eg), but that's just how I was brought up, in places ALL OVER the world I might have turned out rabidly homophobic- we need to talk, not throw insults and nurse our hatreds. That is neither strong, nor honourable- and nothing will ever change.
AbsolutelyEmerald 2 years ago
The Redgraves have always been a bunch of assholes.
wheelmaster176 2 years ago
It sounds to me you speak from personal experience?????
simey44 1 year ago
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simey44 1 year ago
@wheelmaster176
Yeah how could they not support the Sionist jewish...can you believe that I think she is a terrorist and she should join them in Guantanamo
Cosmeticsurgery1 1 year ago
Why does Hollywood always feel the need to get involved with issues they have no knowledge of? Sorry Vanessa Redgrave, but you wouldn't know a national security threat if it were staring you in the face.
powerbookg 2 years ago
I am not a Christian or a Jew. I am an agnostic.
I have supported gay rights since the 1960's.
The poll was 100%. You are an ignoramus.
You are a liar and an Islamist apologist.
Go to Hell.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
n8glenn
YOU ARE A LIAR!
Do A Google image search and you will find pictures of Iranian homosexuals who are being hanged by the Hitlerian Islamic fascist Iranian government.
In the 1980's, after the Iranian Islamic revolution, gays were taken out into the street and shot.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
According to a PEW poll done in England, 100% of the Muslims who were asked the question: 'Should homosexuality be accepted by society' answered NO.
Not one Muslim said YES.
Many Imans in the U.S. are teaching that Gays should be killed. That is what the Koran dictates.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
That is a ridiculous generalization. No poll comes back 100% on ANYTHING! What you are basically saying is "there are no good muslims", and that is a nazi type statement. You are just demonizing people and lying, because if you had any idea what you're talking about, you'd know that most muslims would never advocate such an extreme position.
n8glenn 2 years ago
By the way, donkeyassman, am I to take it that christianity or judaism is not intolerant of gays? How about you? Are you a big "gay rights" advocate? Let me hear you say it. I'm just curious, because I have this feeling you can't bring yourself to advocate gay rights.
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn
You are a liar!
The U.S. does not support Muslim fascist dictatorships like Iran, where homosexuals are murdered by the government.
Some Christians may disapprove of homosexuality, but they do not believe in killing them.
Show me one Muslim run country that tolerates homosexuality?
donkeyassman 2 years ago 2
Iran does not kill homosexuals, you're thinking of Saudi Arabia, which has had a cozy relationship with the US government for a long time now. We give huge amounts of money to several arab countries which just happen to be dictatorships, like egypt and syria, for instance. You want to hear of one muslim country that tolerates homosexuality, Turkey! But honestly I'm sick of defending islam to extremist bigots such as yourself, on the basis that they are bigots no less.
n8glenn 2 years ago
n8glenn AND manu0033
DON'T TRY TO PULL DIVERSIONARY TACTICS.
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Why do you Leftists defend Islamic radicals who wish to kill all homosexuals, oppress all women and destroy all of the civil liberties you always scream bloody murder about?
manure0033
The only Nazis operating today are Islamic Nazis.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
I do not defend anybody who wants to kill homosexuals or oppress women or destroy civil liberties. It may come as a shock to you that not all muslims are the same, and the countries where those things are done (in the name of religion) are fascist dictatorships, most of them supported by the US. Could it possibly be that fascism, and not religion, is the real culprit? If you claim that muslims are nazis simply because they are muslims, then it is you who is the nazi.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Now, here's a question for you, do you really believe the innocent human rights worker, who wrote the poem featured in this video is a nazi? Could you explain to us what exactly makes him a nazi, could it be the fact that he was a human rights worker, or is it the fact that he's being tortured?
n8glenn 2 years ago 2
Oh, and one more thing, intolerance to gays and mistreatment of women, and (believe it or not) disdain for civil rights can also be found in christianity, but we don't have to worry about those things here, do you know why? Because we aren't ruled by a monarch or dictator who uses religion as an excuse to put his boot on the neck of the people and oppress them.
n8glenn 2 years ago
donkeyassman wer do u get ur imformation from?.......CNN OR BBC?.....i wud like to knw.....cuz u sound like a nazi urself.......
manu0033 2 years ago
There has been no "inhuman" treatment of these murderous prisoners. That is nothing but a BIG LIE. Why do you Leftists defend Islamic radicals who wish to kill all homosexuals, oppress all women and destroy all of the civil liberties you always scream bloody murder about?
Would you be so worried about the "rights" of Nazi POW's during World War 2?
donkeyassman 2 years ago
You are lost.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Red-Grave. How appropriate.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
Yes, she's murdering people because she read a poem written by an innocent double amputee human rights worker who is being held without trial and tortured for the rest of his life for the crime of being an arab! Her name is so appropriate, isn't it, donkeyassman?
n8glenn 2 years ago
This woman and her admirers are mentally ill. There is nothing poetic or morally redeeming about Islamic Nazis. These monsters wish to destroy freedom, kill all homosexuals and subjugate all women. How Liberals can sympathize with them is beyond all sanity.
donkeyassman 2 years ago
No one has been tried yet - that is what people are protesting as well as the inhuman treatment of the prisoners. You are jumping the gun my friend!!!
DevaRupa 2 years ago
How many arabs have you met during your life time? How many times have you been to the middle east? How much do you even know about what has been done to arabs during the past 100 years?
n8glenn 2 years ago
In the end what Vanessa proposes is that we cannot combat Evil with evil actions.
immantiat 2 years ago
Most of the people in guantanimo are innocent.
n8glenn 2 years ago
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Doesn't this stupid bitch know that the assholes in Gtmo are terrorists and killers like Kaleed Sheik Muhammed? Anyone who agrees with this self-serving crap has their head straight up their ass. I hope they make the guys in Gtmo eat the cock-meat sandwich.
fggoodman 2 years ago
If someone offered me $5000 USD to arrest someone, would you suggest I do it?
GalenLW 2 years ago
That's your own concience that has to speak out to answer you. No one else shall take that assesment but you and with that choice you put in the middle also your believes, your past, your family, your inheritage...Yourself.For in the end you alone shall be in front of God to justify yourself and what you did according to your education and values. No one else. Hence: be strong believer of what you claim, for in the end only you shall defend it, reached the moment...
immantiat 2 years ago
Only if they are guilty of some crime.
n8glenn 2 years ago
Class. Class. Class. She is class and it is a joy and a sadness to see her in the Camelot clip "Lusty Month of May". What a talent and gorgeous beauty. I thought I was watching Natasha. I'm crying inside. We're missing out on that beautiful talent, like her mother. Vanessa Redgrave is sheer elegant class that puts prestige on ANYTHING she says or touches.
JDUB88S 2 years ago
I can't stand this liar.
Politeama 2 years ago
So, let me get this straight -
Binyam Mohamed comes to Britain from Ethiopia
He claims political asylum - political differences with his own government
He is refused asylum but allowed to stay in UK anyway
He becomes a junkie
To kick the habit, he takes a holiday in Afghanistan, heroin capital of the world, just before Al-Qaeda strike New York
After a year of taking in the hotspots on his Club Kabul break, he was arrested with a false passport in Karachi
Must be innocent ..
herringfly 2 years ago
I love Vanessa Redgrave. I'm so glad she did this. I'm even more thrilled that Obama is closing down Guantanamo.
My heart goes out to her and her family in their times of sorrow.
kathCT 2 years ago 15
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My Guantanamo poem:
Part 1:
I sought asylum in Britain
'cos Ethiopia's shit
And now on my passport it's written
that I am a true-blue Brit
I saved most of my Giro money
for a nice holiday in the sun
I set off on my epic journey
and made for northwest Pakistan
herringfly 2 years ago
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Part 2:
My chillout vacation was through
when arrested in Afghanistan
I'd gone the wrong way in Bajur,
inadvertently joined the Taliban
Now I'm a national hero,
the toast of the British nation
For my time spent in sunny Guantanamo
I'll be getting some vast compensation
Do you think I'll make Poet Laureate?
herringfly 2 years ago
No chance
ekydami 2 years ago 3
Bit harsh.
herringfly 2 years ago
How's about ?
Literary vomit
with all the intellectual intensity of George Bush,
and dignity of Paris Hilton - in flagrante delicto?
ParArdua 2 years ago 3
ParArdua
What's the relevance of "in flagrante delicto"? Free speech isn't an offence in Britain quite yet, not even bad poetry.
Teneo vestri thema.
herringfly 2 years ago
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She's a naive, and self-righteous, idiot. I'm sure she means well, but. this is why actors should stay out of politics. Being an actor doesn't qualify an understanding of history or politics, quite the contrary.
scotty123123 2 years ago
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She's a self-righteous idiot. This is why actors should stay out of politics. Being an actor doesn't qualify an understanding of history or politics.
scotty123123 2 years ago
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don't forget all of the drug fields in his home town.
thank goodness for all of the abuse to the shit bags in our jails. fuck them. they should've used duck tape to close off their faces so they would die. fuck those people.
DrewDawg50 2 years ago
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pathetic sick woman. she never met a radical left wing cause she didn't embrace, even to the detriment of bringing up her children. they went through straightened financial times, while she gave huge amounts of money to finance the palestinians. she and her brother Corin are a couple of real nutters.
thirstyducks 2 years ago
Well if she gave money to the Palestinians to fight the nazi jews, then she's just found another admirer
cytuber 2 years ago 3
I second that. If she was supporting Israel she would be considered a saint. Just because she helps innocent Palestinians she's sick? No I don't think so.
helenmirrenfan4ever 2 years ago 19
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brandywineraceway 2 years ago
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I am happy that here fucking bitch daughter has died away. Hope soon will be your will be next. God will here my prey
. I and all 400.000 ethnically cleansed from Chechnya will pry for it. She support Nazi ethnic cleansing in Chechnya. Fucking old bitchI now, Fucking old bitch, your tern to suffer!!!!
0Tanja0 2 years ago
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These animals in camp delta should have been exectued. They get to write poems!!!!. Damn what is this country coming to. America loves her lifestyle, and included is the liberal left, they take our world trade centers down (3300 dead) in a act of war, we round these assholes up only to detain them, then let them go to kill again. I only hope they kill the ones that had sympathy for them. They should have executed one by one, with a 45 acp cell by cell, game over.
1999vfr 2 years ago
The voice of Fox News audience demographics. The typical stupid American who doesn't know much about politics. 99% of Guantanamo detainees didn't commit a single crime. They were labeled terrorists by the biggest terrorist the world has ever known.. George W. Bush"!
Cuulmann 2 years ago 6
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Mr.Cuulmann tell that to the dead woman that was killed by a detainee in Indonesia. Let em go, hope they get you first, You are nothing to them, labeled as a satan. You bunch of liberals will never learn, but will only understand when you are vaporized by a terrorists nuclear device. Ali Akabar Mr. Culmann
1999vfr 2 years ago
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Well, the bad guys don't think that they are doing anything wrong. So yes, according to them, 99% of them did nothing jail worthy. Fuck you and fuck them.
DrewDawg50 2 years ago
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brandywineraceway 2 years ago
19999ytr: Have a look at how your own govt is treating your 'heroes'... you know, the ones who invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Look at the tens of thousands of ex-soldiers who have been dumped after they have been used up. This should give you an idea of who you're rooting for. LOL
cytuber 2 years ago 3
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cytuber, You must be from a foreign country. This ole boy has not been used up or dumped, nor has my U.S. Army friend with 1 arm missing from the Iraq war. You would not know what freedom was if it hit you in the ass. Your comment could not have come from an American citizen, probably from one of those comunist country's. If you are american you are speaking on a blog because of your freedom to do so, try doing it North Korea and see what happens. Where do they get em!!!!!.
1999vfr 2 years ago
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Are you still yearning for acceptance from the rich Brahmin parents you referred to above? Could the lack of love from your parents be leading to the anger and the anti-Semitism you spew? Is this unhappiness the cause of many of the delusional posts? You are quite the case study. Seriously, get some professional help. I am not kidding nor am I trying to get your goat. Get some help. That anger will only eat you alive and you will wind up old, sick and alone. If that happens remember this post.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
I never needed to ask for acceptance from my parents. It was there from day one. There's no anti-Semetism in what I write. You, Homer, are the "case study".
When someone disagress with your all-too-predictable bourgeois attitude do you alway go for the "get some help" since my view does not concur with your own.
How eccumenical.
You'd know something about being "alone", "old", and "sick" I suspect now wouldn't you.
"Physician heal thyself"
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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A great man once said he'd rather 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent imprisoned. He never dealt with these kind of terrorists. If in fact this man is truly innocent, I'm sorry for him and his family. As far as poor medical treatment, I call bullshit. That camp is under the microscope. If they really wanted to treat them poorly, they could take away their prayer time. Closing Gitmo is a mistake America will probably pay for later...
vr4operator 3 years ago
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You said it! This page has a few posts insinuating that we rounded up some innocent ice cream salesmen in Iraq just for the hell of it. Often that post is made by someone in the US who is enjoying the freedom provided by the military while at the same time trashing it. They sit on their high horses and have academic discussions about legal points and for them it is easy because they discount the actions of the terrorist. Hopefully this decision won't come back on us but like you I am concerned.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"They sit on their high horses and have academic discussions.."
Well someone needs an intellectual discussion since irresponsible brute force has gotten us into our present predicament for the last eight years.
By the way a decision can't hope. Never begin a sentence with "hopefully" unless you follow it with the pronoun "I". But all things considered grammatically it's best to avoid the word all together.
Make a note.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
"He never dealt with these kind of terrorists."
And the Iraqis have never dealt with terrorists like the Americans... nor the Palestinians terrorists like the Zionist hoodlums.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Shubael claims not to be an anti-Semite even though he uses terms like "Zionist hoodlums." Shuabel is a fraud who evidently denies even his own words and feelings. Given the nature of his hate who can blame him. I suspect in his inner heart he hates himself most of all.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
I know some fucked up Christians too.. and those Isralis attacking Gaza are Zionist hoodlums nothing more. Zionism is a form of facism.
I suspect in your "inner heart" (is there an outer one?) you're one-dimensional.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
**Israelis
Shubael1809 3 years ago 2
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Typical hateful response. By the way there is no need to correct any typos you make. I am not as anal nor as childish to critique you the way you do others. Concentrate on working on other skills other than your spelling.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
Look raceway dude...
You and I have no use for one another. I think you're a dumb fucking hick and you think I'm an elitist snob.
I'm right you're wrong.
Buh bye bucko.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Vanessa defends terrorists, but outside the borders of Guantanamo base, there is a country named Cuba & Castro has taken away every single civil & human right for half a century, the cruelest tyranny in this hemisphere, 50 long years that Cubans have been deprived of democratic elections, right of free speech, association, etc. A country where prostitution rules, fear, executions; more than 2 million Cubans have left their beautiful island because of this tyrant. Redgrave approves the tyrant.
Politeama 3 years ago
"Redgrave approves the tyrant"?
Guantamo has nothing to do with Cuba's regime other than it's located on the Island!
You haven't a fucking clue. She's a pacifist. She no more believes in Communism than she does Fascism.
Try knowing what you're talking about Pollyanna.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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"Shubael1809" Please get your information straight, do not make such a fool of yourself. It is in the Cuban internet news Granma & get your information. Vanessa visited Cuba several weeks ago, praised the tyrant Castro & the communist revolution. You can Google & find all details, something that Cubans can't do there. Get the information, please, do not guess, doesn't make you look good.
Politeama 3 years ago
Pollyanna?
Again this isn't about Cuba it's about the abuses of G.W. Bush's dictatorship.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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That Shubael is one angry guy. He curses and name calls if you disagree with him. He misstates facts. He doesn't read the replies but drones on "BUSH is evil". When you ask him a question he ignores it unless the answer is "BUSH is evil". He knows it all especially if it relates to "BUSH is evil". He is more noble then everyone especially that "evil BUSH". He hates the country especially that "evil BUSH." He praises terrorists and their supporters. Did you know he thinks "BUSH is evil"?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Shibael claims to be a well educated man with a fancy degree. Note the courteous and well thought out language he uses in the post above when answering a person who disagrees with him.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
I don't recall ever saying I had a "fancy degree".
I said I had a doctorate from Christ Church Oxford. I do. Why's that fancy? Is anything over a third grade education considered too East Coast for you?
Shubael1809 3 years ago 2
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When commenting about closing Gitmo, President Obama said 10 days ago on ABC "it is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize" and that "many" of the enemey combatants are "very dangerous". So I guess this situation is not as simplistic as Redgrave thinks. For example no country has agreed to contain KSM (the admitted planner of 9/11) while we figure out a legal process that satisfies the ACLU and Redgrave. Maybe he could live with her and read her his poems?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
To Israel and Zionist terrorists:
War on two fronts is what you wanted and that is what you have achieved.
All the Land of others is what you wanted, but this will NOT be achieved.
For whom the bell tolls,
it tolls for thee.
Your end by your own hand is near.
Many will not mourn this time because your butchery has been so great.
ParArdua 3 years ago 3
well-stated ParArdua
Shubael1809 3 years ago 2
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Shuabel claims not to be an anti-Semite but in the post above he cheers a person on who is rooting for the destruction of Israel and the Zionist. What is the matter Shuabel didn't they teach you the meaning of anti-Semitism in that fancy college you went to?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
That is quite perfect, ParArdua. Say it loudly, please, and say it often.
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brandywineraceway 2 years ago
So according to Zionists, to stand for
Peace, mutual respect, and a negotiated settlement, is to be a Nazi!
Very bizarre.
So hilary, remember that Austrian father Fritzl who held captive and raped his daughter and grandchildren?
Well his wife said she 'knew nothing'.
To my mind, Israel is like Fritzl, committing the most abomnible crimes on civilians for an election result,
while the US is the co-dependent spouse, providing succour and warmth to a vile and unrepentent perpetrator.
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brandywineraceway 2 years ago
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she is friends with the dark prince
she is friends with suicide bombers
she is an enemy of the free world and should be forced to live in a muslim country where she will be murdered for speaking her mind.
for a british woman where does she get off
I hope she rides a bus where a suicide bomber detonates.
hilarycutter 3 years ago
she is a friend
of Peace, and
of Freedom from Fascism and tyranny.
to believe otherwise indicates the success of Zionist propoganda
of which only Goebbels could feel proud.
Countries of world (outside of the US) are now being 'asked'
to pick up the pieces of US 'foreign policy'.
they are entitled to comment, inter alia on the savagery of Gitmo, Iraq, and Israeli WMD.
chitchant 3 years ago 2
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chitchant, anyone who says they are against zionism is a nazi.
There is some nazi footage you can view on you tube, so take a look at what your people have done to the jewish people, (gods children).
hilarycutter 3 years ago
"chitchant, anyone who says they are against zionism is a nazi."
I believe the term uses was "ZIONIST TERRORISTS"!
We're all "God's children". Zionist hoodlums need to cut the fucking shit.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Here is Shubael trying to act like a tough guy. I know that is a stretch for you Shuabel. Are you trying to show your rich dad that you can be a man. I guess after this particular post even Shuabel could not keep up the charade and end it with a fancy foreign phrase to show off his supposed high IQ.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
What, pray tell, would prohibit me from actually BEING a "tough guy"? What ever are you suggesting?
I have no need to prove my gender to my father. And don't you think it would be a bit odd if I whipped out my schlong in front of him simply to satisfy some boob on YouTube? No. I'm sure he saw it when I was a tot.
I can keep up anything as long as I like (if you get my drift).
I'm just a bit bored with your mediocre retorts. :-) But fire away if you want.
Shubael1809 3 years ago 3
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Your gender (male) has nothing to do with being a man. A man does not curse or show anger when someone disagrees with him. A man does not use racist terms. A man does not act like a martyr. A man is discreet in his public conversations. Your sexuality is your business. So no I don't need to "see your schlong" or hear about your durablity. I would like to see an adult, civil reply. See if you are man enough to accomplish that.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
From a personal integrity point of view I agree with you about gender. I was making a point which seems lost on you (or you're avoiding it).
I see you as angry.
Talking about sex is "adult" if one doesn't think of sex as something shameful. Don't try to make me into you. Won't work.
You've been accusatory during this entire volley. Pot meet kettle....
See if you a man enough to think globally not locally. Now that's the test of a REAL human being irrespective of gender.
Shubael1809 3 years ago 3
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"hilarycutter" You have said it so well! This woman reminds me those that fall in love with murders & rapists. There is no love in her, but admiration towards those criminals. People of her kind justify sick minds, child molesters, abusers, etc., never expect any thing different from her kind. She is a hypocrite that lives in a free country & enjoy the best of life without sharing a bit with the one in need. They are as evil as the bombers.
Politeama 3 years ago
Poiteama you're a disgrace.
Redgrave has a social conscience where you have none. "People like her" get places like Guantanamo CLOSED!
She's no hypocrite.
You're just one of Bush's sheep.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Its ironic to see the compassion, sense of justice & love that Miss Redgrave feels for terrorists & bomb-suicidal, but no compassion for the rest of that society, specially the terrorized women by the Islam. No denounce for the use & training of children for those attacks on her part. Those fanatics that celebrated in the streets the criminal 9/11 attacks deserve her support because she has a huge conscience, Wow! Thats great to you. No I do not like Bush, but I dont like Vanessa either.
Politeama 3 years ago
Redgrave's compassion extends to all those who are incapable of defending themselves (she's a global Ambassado for UNICEF TOO did you know?). You misread Redgrave anna since she focuses on those who cannot defend themselves. She realizes all terrorist aren't "foreign looking" and wear turbans. She knows by her own words many are in our midst (Blair, Bush, Cheney, etc.)
9/11 was an atrocity but payback has been disproportionate and directed at the wrong foe. And yes her compassion is vast.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Today the charges against Abd al-Nashiri, a prisoner at Gitmo accused of planning the bombing of the Cole were dismissed as the first step towards complying with President Obama's order to close Gitmo. It's ironic that the sailors who loss their life in the attack were on the ship to help secure the freedom of Ms. Redgrave to cry her crocodile tears. Do you have a practical suggestion on how to handle the case of any prisoner who is refused re-entry to their homeland?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
No. No I don't personally have a practical suggestion on how to handle the case of any prsoner who is refused re-entry to his homeland. But I can tell you that any and all efforts by the present Administration to shut down that sadistic hole in Cuba (where American legal ethics are cast to the wind) is, in my view, a worthwhile endeavor.
The details will fall into place.
Gitmo is a plague on American History.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Unfortunately the president does not have the luxury to let the details fall into place. He has to come up with an answer. Since you admittedly dont have a suggestion, would you at least concede it is not a simplistic problem? You are correct, it is only an accusation at this point. Do you have any objection to holding a trial and in your opinion should Al-Nashiri be given the same constitutional rights as a United States citizen?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
The previous resident of the Oval Office didn't have the luxury to place detainees there without benefit of due process either.. but that's irrelevant to you?
Certainly hold the trial. High time. Get to the truth. If we've detained Al-Nashiri he should be given the same INTERNATIONAL rights as any other foreign detainee.
To date he's not been (along with a multitude of others).
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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So by shouting international I assume you are in agreement that the detainees should not have the same level of due process as a US citizen? Our society will be risking that there may be future mayhem from a released detainee which I think is a necessary price we pay to ensure our own individual freedoms. I just think it is fair that we acknowledge that risk before we go back to the comfort of our freedoms which in part has been provided for by military means. These poems do none of this.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
That was emphasis. And yes I do by the terms of Internatinal law not American.
There's been enough mayhem at the hands of a reactionary petulant Bush Administration over the last eight years which has taken the lives of ten thousand innocent American soldiers and 80 thousand innocent Iraqis - all directed against the wrong enemy.
There is no "comfort in our freedoms". Bush saw to that.
These poems illustrate that we're ALL human. Why is that lost on you?
Shubael1809 3 years ago
@Shubael1809 Well it has been over a year since your overly simplistic post. What a shock, you were wrong. The details have not fallen into place and Gitmo is still open. Since you can no longer blame Bush or the neocons I was wondering what your thoughts are now. Could it be that President Obama broke his promise to close Gitmo because he realized the danger in releasing the remaining inmates?
brandywineraceway 1 year ago
@brandywineraceway Yes. I can blame Bush and Cheney. And I do too. Not everything, dear brandyswine, can be done in a moment's notice. Could it be that you're as impatient as all the other Bushites who rallied behind him as he created this economic mess and perpetuated Guantamemo? Yup. It sure could be. Now you just shut the fuck up and sit back and realize this shit takes time to undo you moron.
And have you really been waiting a YEAR to post that? LOL ... time for a life.
Shubael1809 1 year ago
A moments notice? The current president promised he would have Gitmo closed in a year nearly two years ago. I was only holding him to his own timetable. As far as waiting one year to reply to you I was hoping for a change in your boorish behavior. Oh well, just another example where Hope and Change was an empty promise. If Gitmo is closed in the next 365 days why don’t you invite one of the inmates over for some tea and lady fingers? I will send you a post next November. Have a grand year.
brandywineraceway 1 year ago
@brandywineraceway blah, blah, blah.. and the last President said there was no question that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction. So what else is new? At least this President didn't lie about 9/11 to a blood-hungry American public the way Bush did and his intentions are HONORABLE. What is it with you warmongers that think Ghengis Khan ought to be President rather than a true Statesman much in that same way Jefferson was? Bush was the one who chose to bail out Wall Street idiot!
Shubael1809 1 year ago
Last week the Democratic controlled Congress voted overwhelmingly to de-fund any effort to shut down Gitmo. Even Obama has ceased pretending it will be closed. Instead he has increased the drone attacks in Afghanistan. Drones don’t take prisoners or ask questions. Your “statesman” is in favor of killing suspects. Why no outcry against the current administration by you? Perhaps outrage and name calling directed only toward the previous administration allows you to maintain your naïve opinions.
brandywineraceway 1 year ago
@brandywineraceway You, sir, are the one who suffers from naïveté. You have no sense of proportion or nuance. You're Johnny one note and for you to imagine our President solely able to control every campaign promise he proferred I'd ask you to recall the line "read my lips. NO NEW TAXES". Stop obsessing over me. We are ENTIRELY different men with very different priorities. I leave you to yours. George Walker Bush has not been maligned by me nearly to the degree he might. He exposes himself.
Shubael1809 1 year ago
@Shubael1809 I applaud Obama’s change in position. We live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going do it? You? You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want our military on that wall! Our fighting men do not have the time or the inclination to apologize to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it!
brandywineraceway 1 year ago
@brandywineraceway You appear to need someone to be the enemy. And you see things only in black and white. You are a very different sort of man than I. NEVER FORGET those they now call the "Founding Fathers" were traitors to their government. Your "patriotism" is based in dissent. When this country goes astray it is your civil duty (and mine) to civilly disobey. Those "Founding Fathers" would never have approved of your modus operandi I assure you.
Shubael1809 1 year ago
@Shubael1809 Another year has gone by and Gitmo is still not closed.I guess you were wrong (shocker) again. BTW, over the last year Bin Laden thankfully was hunted down and killed without any due process. As Otter asked in Animal House, “I put it to you, Shuabel: is this an indictment of our entire American society? “ I included a reference this year, since you did not realize that last year’s post was straight out of the movies, and you responded (as usual) in anger. RU at Occupy Wall Street?
brandywineraceway 2 months ago
@brandywineraceway Yeah? And under whose direction has Bin Laden and his second in command been killed? OBAMA that's who. Actually you pointless waste of human space, I've been to Occupy Boston. Boston's always first in righting the wrongs in this country. Yes, by-in-large, (like you) this American Society is nothing short of a bunch of non-thinkings robotic religionists who're only interested in THEIR OWN welfare. Yupt the notion of Palin and Perry in charge makes a fella kind of angry.
Shubael1809 2 months ago
@Shubael1809 I am Shubael. I sit in a park tilting at windmills and think I am accomplishing something. I am Shubael. I make inconsistent arguments. I am Shubael. I support lack of due process when it is carried out by OBAMA and deride it when it is carried out by others. I am Shubael. I am a self-absorbed child who pretends to relate to 99% of people but in fact has nothing but contempt for those 99%. I am Shubael. I am a robot. I am Shubael. I am angry. I am Shubael. LOL.
brandywineraceway 2 months ago
@brandywineraceway You're not "Shubael". You're simply another member of the ignorant American masses. You've proved that time and time again with your anti-intellectual postings.
Shubael1809 2 months ago
@Shubael1809 You wouldn't know an intellectual if you tripped over one. Speaking of tripping, be careful when you are walking around Occupy. Make sure you don't trip over any of the buckets that the campers use to defecate in. Just a question. Do you have to squat when you pee into a bucket?
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Shubael1809 2 months ago
@brandywineraceway Well, you're obviously bright and well-schooled. First you end a sentence with a preposition.Next your arsenal of insults is so limited that you resort, in your last sentence, to the predictable, hackneyed, stereotypical gay slur. Yes. I'm convinced all right. You're an immensely informed former Rhodes Scholar with a monumental grasp of the nature of humankind and the subtlies which make truly bright indiviudals a pleasure to know. Heterosexual men are easily threatened .
Shubael1809 2 months ago
Respond to this video... You didn't actually put "LOL" at the end of this post did you? There goes your credibility right down the crapper.
Shubael1809 2 months ago
@Shubael1809 Perhaps I should have used "LMAO" instead which is ironic because you are such a humorless little man. I hope my tax dollars aren't paying for your Risperdal, Seroquel or Thorazine.
brandywineraceway 2 months ago
@Shubael1809 Shubael. For full effect, make sure you read the other post using the voice of HAL in 2001. Just a question. If you and your fellow occupiers represent 99% of the people why aren’t those 99% sitting around in the park with you? News flash. Those 99% are the true backbone of this country and they have busy meaningful days. They have responsibilities. Their taxes help pay for the city services needed to babysit the occupiers. Have a good year and don’t forget to take your meds.
brandywineraceway 2 months ago
@brandywineraceway This country has a "backbone". You'll find them camped out against corporate greed in major cities all over this country. But that "backbone" of which you speak stops with them and those who support them. Seen the pepper spray video yet? Fascists all.
Shubael1809 2 months ago
@Shubael1809 If the backbone of this country was made up of those “who are camped out against corporate greed in major cities all over the country” it would be a pretty small backbone. Thankfully as usual you are mistaken. The backbone of the country is made up of adults who don’t just sit in a park, don’t defecate in a park, and don’t use drugs in a park. Did you see the “Burn down Macy’s video”? The backbone you refer to is just a horse’s ass.
brandywineraceway 2 months ago
@brandywineraceway Your grammar is appalling. Troubling that you believed it when your daddy told you that "real men" are in charge and must show a "backbone" (odd use contextually) when they interact socially. Irony is that you're an invertebrate even by your own standard if what you write is representative. "Thankfully" needs a verb to modify. Also; Avoid adverbs like "thankfully", and "hopefully", since more often than not they should be followed by a comma, then the proposition "I'.
Shubael1809 2 months ago
"Today the charges against Abd al-Nashiri, a prisoner at Gitmo accused of planning the bombing of the Cole were dismissed as the first step towards complying with President Obama's order to close Gitmo"
...key word "accused".
You illustrate the problem with Guantanamo Bay perfectly.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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You sure do have a knack for obfuscation, generalization and overstatement. I would suggest that many people disagree with you about the level of freedom in our country. Witness the thousands that come here each year. Perhaps they have a perspective of America that you do not appreciate. Is it possible that their opinion about the country is right and you may be wrong? Here is a freedom you could exercise; move to whatever nirvana-like country you think is better.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Secondly, the level of American soldier deaths during Bushs term was far below 10,000. I am not sure where your figure comes from or if it includes any deaths that occurred in fighting whoever you have deemed to be our enemy. Is Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan included in your definition of the right enemy?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Lastly, just because someone disagrees with you on policy doesnt mean they are unaware that everyone is human. So take a chill pill Captain Obvious and try and tone down your sense of martyrdom/persecution/anger. These poems are as one-sided as you are.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"Secondly, the level of American soldier deaths during Bushs term was far below 10,000."
Lie.
Iraqi Civilians 90,558 - 98,889
US Soldiers: four thousand as of May of 2008 (my mistake .. though ANY is too many)
I suspect you see Iraqi Civilians as superfluous human beings.
Compared to 9/11? I think we've exacted our "pound of flesh" albeit against the wrong people.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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How is it a lie? I was only commenting on your (now admitted) overstatement of American deaths. I made no mention of the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of your Iraqi death totals. Nor was I discounting them, although you obviously have no concern for the multitude of Shia and Kurds killed by Saddam Hussein because I dont ever see a mention of them in your numerous rants.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"was only commenting on your (now admitted) overstatement of American deaths."
I see a minimalization of the near- 100,000 dead who are not American in Iraq. Rants? I'll stop ranting when Am. Imperialism stops playing altruistic and concerns itself with atrocities in (for example) African countries where worse attrocities occur daily.
Woops! No crude oil there....
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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If diplomatic avenues are exhausted would you be ok with using force to stamp out atrocities. If we had to sacrifice 4,000 American soldiers, kill 90,000 civilians and jail hundreds of suspects would you be ok with that providing it lead to the end of atrocities in Darfur?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
Condescion duly note but kindly don't instruct my level of acrimony at what's transpired.
No. No force unless absolutely necessary. We've seen where that gets us. No I'd not be "ok" with 94,000 deaths no matter what the cause.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
** condescension
Shubael1809 3 years ago
"Is Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan included in your definition of the right enemy? "
Yeah it is.
Funnies thing though it appeared not to be George's. Hmmmm.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Finally some agreement. How far should we take the military action in Afghanistan? Should we use force that may lead to collateral damage or do you think that is not a good trade-off in pursuing Al-Qaeda?
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
It's a great pity that we now, after early successes in Afghanistan, wasted to much human life and money to fight a war against the wrong enemy. Now Pres. Obama is in the uneviable postion of making the decision to finally right things by persuing the real culprits. It's a tough call. But I don't live my life in fear of terrorism. Recall; Europeans have LIVED WITH WAR - we have not. I see Americans as often arrogant in their naiveité. Where's your concern for the dead civilian Iraqis?
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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Thank you for toning down the anger. Now lets see if we can make progress on actually having a dialog. I asked if you thought collateral damage was a necessary price in the pursuit of Al-Qaeda. I did not see a direct response to that question in your reply. You imply your ok with it but that might just be my perception.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"I did not see a direct response to that question in your reply. You imply your ok with it but that might just be my perception."
You're posturing yourself as a Bill O'Reilly here. Hurling questions at people and not caring to listen to the response.
No. Colateral damage is never okay.
We abhored it during Sept. 11, 2001. Why should it acceptable simply because it's us doing it?
Shubael1809 3 years ago
"You sure do have a knack for obfuscation, generalization and overstatement."
And you have a knack for seeing things in one dimension; that of an American Imperialist.
The old "America Love it or Leave it" slogan? Please. This country was founded in dissent and my ancestors were among those who made certain you'd not speak with an English accent.
Stop following the heard and think globally.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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No one is saying you don't have the right to dissent. Nor was I saying you must "love it or leave it". I was just asking why you choose to live in what you think is a very imperfect country and why is it that so many global citizens disagree with you? Again is it possible you may be wrong about the country and the millions (including our ancestors) who decided to come here see this as the best country in the world? See if you can answer without name calling or Bush bashing and without anger.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
This is what you said: "Here is a freedom you could exercise; move to whatever nirvana-like country you think is better"
That's tantamount to "America Love it or Leave it". My ancestors came here in the 17th century to escape religous persecution. Then immediately they began to impose it on others. What transpired during the subsequent generations was a Renaissance of Amer. thinking embodied in Sam Adams, Jefferson, Tom Payne, etc.
Few global citizens disagree with me.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
Correction: Should read "few global citizens would DISAGREE with me".
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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I respectfully disagree. I didnt say you should leave I just asked why you choose not to. I think those are two different (albeit subtly thoughts. Then you go on as usual to assume you know what is in the hearts and souls of millions of humans. Listen carefully, the millions who have come here have shown by their actions (your opinion not withstanding) that they think this country is a good place.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"I didnt say you should leave I just asked why you choose not to"
Spin it however you like in retrospect but the gist of the thing was if you're dissatified with the way this country does things go find one you like better.
Don't shit an old shitter.
I know what's in the hearts and minds of those in OTHER countries since I visit yearly. They think we're a caricature of a once-great country.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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I dont know what is greater your lack of tolerance, your level of pomposity, your level of anger or your overall naïveté. I will give one example of each even though I know you wont read them carefully and you will already be crafting your response. Dont bother. I will save you the trouble. Everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot because you know everything. You feel America is evil. There, I think I captured the substance in all its complexity.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Your lack of tolerance: This one page is filled with you classifying in a negative way everyone who disagrees with you. In your daily life if someone were to attack your views or your lifestyle wouldnt you expect that they be more tolerant? Why dont you try and extend that courtesy to others? Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to dismiss their thoughts. They are not evil (or necessarily wrong) they just disagree with you.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Your level of pomposity: You go overseas and talk to some foreigners and you actually believe that this makes you an authority about what everyone does or should think. Millions have immigrated here because they believe the US has far more good things than bad. So for the third time, that is the proof that many do not share your view of the country. I know it is hard for you to accept that they disagree with the all-knowing Shubael.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Your overall naïveté: You fool yourself that it is possible to wage a war without collateral damage. Maybe this makes you think you are nobler than the soldiers around the world who actually have to fight a war. It is a fact that many soldiers have had to die and do some tough things to secure your freedom. I know, according to you Bush destroyed ALL our freedoms. Many in the world would die for the freedoms you dismiss. That is why they come here in such great numbers.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
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Your level of anger: Why so angry? The cursing and the name calling are sophomoric at best and perhaps speak to some deep-seeded issue that you havent come to terms with. Seriously, get some professional help otherwise that anger is going to eat you alive. Have a nice life!
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
"The cursing and the name calling are sophomoric at best and perhaps speak to some deep-seeded issue that you havent come to terms with."
How's that degree look on your wall?
Look buster you articulate the way you like and I'll do similarly.
The "anger" to which you refer is manifest on the part of warmonging aggressive male heterosexual bastards like you.
Your control issues ooze out of your every post.
End of story.
Shubael1809 3 years ago
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You couldn't craft a better reply that proves my point. Thanks for living down to my expectations.
brandywineraceway 3 years ago
Good.
With any luck you'll cease ranting endlessly about only your point of view and shut the Christ up with your dated imperalist non-humanitarian rhetoric.
You couldn't respond to one legitimate claim I made. Stuff it Mary.
Shubael1809 3 years ago