Happy Confederate Heroes Day 2012. It doesn't matter what the yankees have transformed this day into, it will still always be a tribute to the brave americans who had the courage to stand up against yankee aggression
@TheFlamingbrownie either way both camps treated thier prisoners like shit and also which ever way you look at it the southern camps would give prisoners heat stroke or die of dehidration and the northern camps would give prisoners frost bite or just freeze to death so either way you all look at it both armies equally where tide at being d-bags to thier prisoners EVERYONE STOP FIGHTING OVER IT ITS FUCKING OVER!!!!!!!! 150+ years ago :P
darthroden you are worthless Sherman was not above randomly executing innocent civilians as part of his (and Lincoln’s) terror campaign. In October of 1864 he ordered a subordinate, General Louis Watkins, to go to Fairmount, Georgia, "burn ten or twelve houses" and "kill a few at random," and "let them know that it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon."
"The statement of these gentlemen (Forrest and Gordon) are full and explicit...the evidence fully sustains them."
It also reveals that neither did Forrest people are just too lazy to visit the Library of Congress as their own investigation in 1871 proved his name was used without his permission and that there was no massacre at Fort Pillow. That is if you want to believe the union commanders who were there in the opposition but yet testified on his (Forrest) behalf.
Congressional records show that Gen. Forrest was absolved of all complicity in the founding or operation of the Ku Klux Klan, and he was certainly never a "Grand Wizard". These committees had the utmost evidence and living witnesses at their disposal. The evidence precluded any Guilt or indictment of Gen. Forrest and the matter was closed before that body of final judgment in 1872.
The following findings in the Final report of this committee of Congress concluded,
The following article appeared in the New York times June 27th, "Washington, 1871. Gen Forrest was before the Klu Klux Committee today, and his examination lasted four hours. After the examination, he remarked than the committee treated him with much courtesy and respect."
Forrest: 'It was a matter I knew very little about. All my efforts were addressed to stop it, disband it, and prevent it....I was trying to keep it down as much as possible.'
Forrest: 'I talked with different people that I believed were connected to it, and urged the disbandment of it, that it should be broken up.'"
Asked if he knew of any men or combination of men violating the law or preventing the execution of the law: Gen Forest answered emphatically, 'No.' (A Committee member brought up a document suggesting otherwise, the 1868 newspaper article from the "Cincinnati Commercial". That was their "evidence", a news article.) Forrest stated '...any information he had on the Klan was information given to him by others.'
Forrest took the witness stand June 27th, 1871. Building a railroad in Tennessee at the time, Gen Forrest stated he 'had done more , probably than any other man, to suppress these violence and difficulties and keep them down, had been vilified and abused in the (news) papers, and accused of things I never did while in the army and since. He had nothing to hide, wanted to see this matter settled, our country quite once more, and our people united and working together harmoniously.'
The primary accusation before this board is that Gen. Forrest was a founder of The Klan, and its first Grand Wizard, So I shall address those accusations first. In 1871, Gen. Forrest was called before a congressional Committee along with 21 other ex-Confederate officers including Admiral Raphael Semmes, Gen. Wade Hampton, Gen. John B.
Gordon, and Gen. Braxton Bragg. Forrest testified before Congress personally over four hours.
The outcome of the 1871 investigation was twofold. The committee found no evidence that Forrest had participated in the formation of the Klan and that even the use of his name may well have been without his permission. They also found that there was no credible evidence that Forrest had ever participated in or directed any actions of the Klan.
"The reports of Committees, House of Representatives, second session, forty-second congress," P. 7-449.
"In 1871 a Congressional investigation was convened to look into Forrest's alleged involvement with the Klan and to revisit the Ft. Pillow "massacre." The investigation was chaired by Forrest's old enemy, William Tecumseh Sherman, who told the press that, "We are here to investigate Forrest, charge Forrest, try Forrest, convict Forrest, and hang Forrest."
Sherman who led the investigation stated "he would have loved to found hin (Forrest) guilty but with the testimony of the negros and soldiers from Pillow testifying on his behalf along with numerous Union authorites vouching for his honor there was little he could do".
Hungarygator I don't think you have the sense of goose: Here is the direct reponse from the Library of the Congress (Try to keep in mind this was a time when honor was everything and a man who killed a fellow officier with a pen knife over honour.
I just found out my grandmothers grandfather and his brother were in that place, I had no idea. Thank God they made it out. Captured at Cumberland Gap in Sept 9 of 1863 they got out in the end in 1865. Pledged an Oath to the US. Crazy I've never even heard of this place in any history in school etc.
The Confederate Mound at Camp Douglas is the largest mass grave in the western hemisphere. Over 1/4 of the POW's there died due to artic cold, primitive medical care and the barbarity of the captors. Prisoners were tortured, brutality was tolerated and corruption was widespread. The handling of the dead rivals stories of Nazi Germany. The book To Die in Chicago tells the horrors of Camp Douglas...no wonder the government doesn't want to build a monument showing their atrocities.
@jhvenus2004 there is of course no evidence that the victims of these war crimes ever committed any crimes themselves. One has to be awfully sick in the head to think mass murder justified.
@jhvenus2004 Look I know you want to troll and all and you think this somehow 'fun" but in reality its just boring and you're not worth my time. See ya.
Damn right! Most of these men where poor farmers and laborers themselves who had no beef with slavery....and if this jerk had bothered to find out the whole story of Camp Douglass he would of known that Black Confederates (black men who served in some way in the Confederate army) who came to Camp Douglass were shot dead when they entered by the Union guards for wearing the gray on "free soil"....so much for the whole "those committing atrocities against black people" theory huh?
If you are trying advance the idea that poor rebel boys didn't mean no offence and frolicked with their little black cousins back on the plantation, try peddling that manure somewhere else, will ya'?
Whether or not the stories of systematic murder of black prisoners taken with Confederates are accurate or not (there is one documented murder at the gate, to be fair) , to say that "Blacks fought for the Confederacy, too" is apocryphal half-truth.
@dogstar7 To those literalistic hecklers out there, I would never claim that NO black freemen fought for the Confederacy, nor am I suggesting that aristocratic Confederate officers didn't dragoon their personal retinue of slaves and put them into uniforms. What I'm saying is the miniscule number of blacks that fought for rebel forces IN NO WAY indicates any level of Slave Support for the Confederate cause.
Inhumanity by the Northern Troops is no form of justification for the rebellion, either.
I can only speak for my OWN ancestor, a poor white farmer from northern Alabama who had a wife and four kids in 1860. He owned no slaves, nor did he give a damn about slaveowners who lived in plantation houses...and I doubt from what I knew of him he would have cared about either the slaves or the owners very much.
I'm sure your "ancestor" was a fine man by the standards of his day. Nobody can dispute that those who went off to become soldiers during the rebellion weren't motivated by their own personal sense of honor. Their sacrifice is worthy of the esteem of their countrymen, both North and South.
If you are comforted by the idea that many Confederate soldiers were indifferent to slavery, that's your prerogative.
Your skepticism is allowed.....your assault on the ancestry of these men and what they suffered at the hands of men charged with watching over them is definitely NOT allowed sir.
Uh.....er.....ohhhh.......dude, I hate to break this to you but I did not serve in the WBTS. I had NO SIDE in it.
I think maybe you are a bit confused.....either that or you are intent on re-winning a war that ended a hell of a long time ago. And "we" Southerns are supposedly the obsessed ones? Really? LMFAO!
Once again, you came here. I didn't seek you out to talk over the rebellion with you. As for "sides", it's obvious where you sympathies lie as regards the Confederacy. If you wish to denounce any affection or loyalty, be my guest.
I denounce nothing pal, you seem to be the one who is deflecting here. All I did was say I honored the men who died there, you were the one who started with the attacks.
I would also point out that the US Government and the US Dept. of Veterans Affairs recognizes Confederate soldiers as American Veterans, with equal status for these men as much as any other soldier from the USA who served in wartime.
@dogstar7 In What They Fought For James McPherson reported on more than 25,000 letters and 100 diaries of soldiers who fought. He concluded that Confederates "fought for liberty and independence from what they regarded as a tyrannical government." The letters and diaries of many Confederate soldiers "bristled with the rhetoric of liberty and self government," writes McPherson, and spoke of a fear of being "subjugated" and "enslaved" by a tyrannical federal government. Sound familiar?
Tell you what homeboy, I will stop getting my facts from Gone With The Wind if you stop getting yours from Roots....neither movie or mini-series is historically accurate anyhow.
Furthermore, don't you dare accuse Union Soldiers of ANYTHING resembling the Massacre of over 300 surrendering black Union Soldiers AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN at Fort Pillow, Tennessee - at the order of and witnessed by Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest - on April 12, 1864
Oh no....I would not accuse Union soldiers of "massacring" anyone....except maybe Black slaves running after Sherman's army when one of his generals destroyed a bridge behind his army trapping them on the other bank and watching them drown trying to swim across.
Though I could accuse them (and justifiably) of expelling Jewish Americans from the Mississippi area under the order of Grant himself in 1862, and of 400 women and girls from Georgia in 1864.
@darthroden The documented evidence is that somewhere between 65,000 and 90,000 blacks served in the Confederate Army. Their reasons varied from patriotism, to wanting to better their station in life to ties of family and friendship to needing a job in an economy that had to be totally dedicated to the war effort. Wars are complex things and so are human beings.
You call me and hungarygator "Klan apologists" yet you share the same POV about the Confederate soldier that a member of said group does....I for one do not.
So tell me...buddy....what does THAT say about you?
@dogstar7 The supposed Fort Pillow "massacre" was wartime propaganda. There was no evidence for it and Forest was never charged with anything by the Congressional investigation that looked into it. Even the federal soldiers' own accounts did not support the fantastical newspaper claims in the North during the war.
@dogstar7 LOL! Ahh, now out it comes. The "Klan" BS claim. Hey you forgot to accuse me of being a Nazi too since I had the temerity to disagree with you "buddy". How pathetic you are.
@dogstar7 it is you who disputes the congressional archives. Look at the Congressional investigation. Forest was never even charged. Look at the testimony of federal soldiers and civilians who were there. ...not the 1864 propaganda but the postwar congressional investigation. I just not how you are so insecure you have to resort to the ad hominem if anybody disagrees with you. Pathetic.
Anyone living near here that can take a photo of my great, great uncle's name for me and maybe do a pencil transfer on a white sheet of paper also (like they do at Vietnam Memorial) I would gladly pay for and this would be a great act of kindness to me. His name is Jesse W. Duyck Sincerely Ron: animalcapture@usa.com 8/21/2010
I saw your video and it was great. Camp Douglas was a living hell as Andersonville. There should be more research to do a story about what happened there.
I walked the throughout as well as perimeter of the site. There are no markers there at all.
I would like to follow up with an interview with the Griffin family who ran a funeral home on the site. Look up "Civil War Talk - Griffin Funeral Home (Chicago) Built On Site Of Camp Douglas Closing At End Of Year" 12Nov2007
Ernest Griffin, who died in 1995, was the driving force behind the memorial and the Civil War memorabilia that fill the funeral home. He became fascinated with the war after learning about Camp Douglas, and then learning his own grandfather, Charles H. Griffin, joined the Union Army at Camp Douglas in 1864.
That realization came after the Griffins bought the former Camp Douglas land....
@dogstar7 The collection has not been on display since the funeral home closed in 2008. I'm hoping the family will be forthcoming if this video is successful.
Yeah Mr Griffin was a black man who ran a funeral home at the site, and he actually flew a Confederate battle flag out of respect for those men who died there...a rare thing outside the South.
The camp had been built just above the University of Chicago.
There is a Confederate monument in a cemetery near there where the graves of many of the Southern soldiers who died there are buried. Not all of them are buried there though, some of them went "missing" death unreported.
In just a quick look around the web for more information, I'm not sure if there has ever been a comprehensive archeological survey of the site. Most of the information about the plots that I could find came from contemporary illustrations from newspapers and pamphlets. Scaffolding had been erected for pedestrian traffic traversing to the southern rail-head of the city an viewing platforms overlooking the camp charged a penny for a peek through a field glass.
@dogstar7 Thats sad that there are no monuments at camp Douglas. Andersonville was more important. the men who were imprisoned there and suffered: their story must be told.
@darthroden The sad part is that they died atrociously because they wanted to continue their peacetime atrocities against the black population. Crimes against humanity is always ugly. But I have no sorrow for ppl who deny others their humanity. For anyone who has ever supported the dehumanizing of others, may they rot in hell and be forgotten.
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Happy Confederate Heroes Day 2012. It doesn't matter what the yankees have transformed this day into, it will still always be a tribute to the brave americans who had the courage to stand up against yankee aggression
goodoldrebel8 1 month ago
God bless our southron fallen heros.DEO VINDICE.Anywhere but chicago land of obama
SOUTHERNANDPROUD1861 1 month ago
u always hear about how terrible Andersonville is but at least it was warm in the South where it was cold in the North
TheFlamingbrownie 6 months ago
@TheFlamingbrownie either way both camps treated thier prisoners like shit and also which ever way you look at it the southern camps would give prisoners heat stroke or die of dehidration and the northern camps would give prisoners frost bite or just freeze to death so either way you all look at it both armies equally where tide at being d-bags to thier prisoners EVERYONE STOP FIGHTING OVER IT ITS FUCKING OVER!!!!!!!! 150+ years ago :P
RaymondETV 4 months ago
You always hear about Andersonville - Camp Douglas was worse!!!
countessyasmin 8 months ago
Just think of Billy T. Sherman as a 19th Century cruise missile headed for Atlanta.
dogstar7 9 months ago
darthroden you are worthless Sherman was not above randomly executing innocent civilians as part of his (and Lincoln’s) terror campaign. In October of 1864 he ordered a subordinate, General Louis Watkins, to go to Fairmount, Georgia, "burn ten or twelve houses" and "kill a few at random," and "let them know that it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon."
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
@TheSouthron98
So now you resort to name calling....nice.
darthroden 9 months ago
"The statement of these gentlemen (Forrest and Gordon) are full and explicit...the evidence fully sustains them."
It also reveals that neither did Forrest people are just too lazy to visit the Library of Congress as their own investigation in 1871 proved his name was used without his permission and that there was no massacre at Fort Pillow. That is if you want to believe the union commanders who were there in the opposition but yet testified on his (Forrest) behalf.
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Congressional records show that Gen. Forrest was absolved of all complicity in the founding or operation of the Ku Klux Klan, and he was certainly never a "Grand Wizard". These committees had the utmost evidence and living witnesses at their disposal. The evidence precluded any Guilt or indictment of Gen. Forrest and the matter was closed before that body of final judgment in 1872.
The following findings in the Final report of this committee of Congress concluded,
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
The following article appeared in the New York times June 27th, "Washington, 1871. Gen Forrest was before the Klu Klux Committee today, and his examination lasted four hours. After the examination, he remarked than the committee treated him with much courtesy and respect."
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Forrest: 'It was a matter I knew very little about. All my efforts were addressed to stop it, disband it, and prevent it....I was trying to keep it down as much as possible.'
Forrest: 'I talked with different people that I believed were connected to it, and urged the disbandment of it, that it should be broken up.'"
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Forrest: 'No Sir, it is not.'
Asked if he had heard of the Knights of the white Camellia, a Klan-like organization in Louisiana,
Forrest: 'Yes, they were reported to be there.'
Senator: 'Were you a member of the order of the white Camellia?'
Forrest: 'No Sir, I never was a member of the Knights of the white Camellia.'
Asked about the Klan:
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Sen. Scott asked, 'Did you take any steps in organizing an association or society under that prescript (Klan constitution)?'
Forrest: 'I DID NOT' Forrest further stated that '...he thought the Organization (Klan) started in middle Tennessee, although he did not know where.
It is said I started it.'
Asked by Sen. Scott, 'Did you start it, Is that true?'
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Asked if he knew of any men or combination of men violating the law or preventing the execution of the law: Gen Forest answered emphatically, 'No.' (A Committee member brought up a document suggesting otherwise, the 1868 newspaper article from the "Cincinnati Commercial". That was their "evidence", a news article.) Forrest stated '...any information he had on the Klan was information given to him by others.'
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Forrest took the witness stand June 27th, 1871. Building a railroad in Tennessee at the time, Gen Forrest stated he 'had done more , probably than any other man, to suppress these violence and difficulties and keep them down, had been vilified and abused in the (news) papers, and accused of things I never did while in the army and since. He had nothing to hide, wanted to see this matter settled, our country quite once more, and our people united and working together harmoniously.'
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
The primary accusation before this board is that Gen. Forrest was a founder of The Klan, and its first Grand Wizard, So I shall address those accusations first. In 1871, Gen. Forrest was called before a congressional Committee along with 21 other ex-Confederate officers including Admiral Raphael Semmes, Gen. Wade Hampton, Gen. John B.
Gordon, and Gen. Braxton Bragg. Forrest testified before Congress personally over four hours.
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
The outcome of the 1871 investigation was twofold. The committee found no evidence that Forrest had participated in the formation of the Klan and that even the use of his name may well have been without his permission. They also found that there was no credible evidence that Forrest had ever participated in or directed any actions of the Klan.
"The reports of Committees, House of Representatives, second session, forty-second congress," P. 7-449.
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
"In 1871 a Congressional investigation was convened to look into Forrest's alleged involvement with the Klan and to revisit the Ft. Pillow "massacre." The investigation was chaired by Forrest's old enemy, William Tecumseh Sherman, who told the press that, "We are here to investigate Forrest, charge Forrest, try Forrest, convict Forrest, and hang Forrest."
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Sherman who led the investigation stated "he would have loved to found hin (Forrest) guilty but with the testimony of the negros and soldiers from Pillow testifying on his behalf along with numerous Union authorites vouching for his honor there was little he could do".
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
Hungarygator I don't think you have the sense of goose: Here is the direct reponse from the Library of the Congress (Try to keep in mind this was a time when honor was everything and a man who killed a fellow officier with a pen knife over honour.
TheSouthron98 9 months ago
I just found out my grandmothers grandfather and his brother were in that place, I had no idea. Thank God they made it out. Captured at Cumberland Gap in Sept 9 of 1863 they got out in the end in 1865. Pledged an Oath to the US. Crazy I've never even heard of this place in any history in school etc.
staclynn72 10 months ago
The Confederate Mound at Camp Douglas is the largest mass grave in the western hemisphere. Over 1/4 of the POW's there died due to artic cold, primitive medical care and the barbarity of the captors. Prisoners were tortured, brutality was tolerated and corruption was widespread. The handling of the dead rivals stories of Nazi Germany. The book To Die in Chicago tells the horrors of Camp Douglas...no wonder the government doesn't want to build a monument showing their atrocities.
hungarygator 1 year ago 2
@hungarygator Good.
jhvenus2004 9 months ago
@jhvenus2004 Find somewhere else to spew your lies and propaganda as well as vent your mental illness.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator Karma.
jhvenus2004 9 months ago
@jhvenus2004 War Crimes
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator Peacetime Crimes.
jhvenus2004 9 months ago
@jhvenus2004 there is of course no evidence that the victims of these war crimes ever committed any crimes themselves. One has to be awfully sick in the head to think mass murder justified.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator Complicit manure.
jhvenus2004 9 months ago
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@jhvenus2004 Look I know you want to troll and all and you think this somehow 'fun" but in reality its just boring and you're not worth my time. See ya.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator
Amen to that!
darthroden 9 months ago
@hungarygator
Damn right! Most of these men where poor farmers and laborers themselves who had no beef with slavery....and if this jerk had bothered to find out the whole story of Camp Douglass he would of known that Black Confederates (black men who served in some way in the Confederate army) who came to Camp Douglass were shot dead when they entered by the Union guards for wearing the gray on "free soil"....so much for the whole "those committing atrocities against black people" theory huh?
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden
If you are trying advance the idea that poor rebel boys didn't mean no offence and frolicked with their little black cousins back on the plantation, try peddling that manure somewhere else, will ya'?
Whether or not the stories of systematic murder of black prisoners taken with Confederates are accurate or not (there is one documented murder at the gate, to be fair) , to say that "Blacks fought for the Confederacy, too" is apocryphal half-truth.
Documentation suggests otherwise
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7 To those literalistic hecklers out there, I would never claim that NO black freemen fought for the Confederacy, nor am I suggesting that aristocratic Confederate officers didn't dragoon their personal retinue of slaves and put them into uniforms. What I'm saying is the miniscule number of blacks that fought for rebel forces IN NO WAY indicates any level of Slave Support for the Confederate cause.
Inhumanity by the Northern Troops is no form of justification for the rebellion, either.
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
I can only speak for my OWN ancestor, a poor white farmer from northern Alabama who had a wife and four kids in 1860. He owned no slaves, nor did he give a damn about slaveowners who lived in plantation houses...and I doubt from what I knew of him he would have cared about either the slaves or the owners very much.
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden
Thanks for sharing your family history.
I'm sure your "ancestor" was a fine man by the standards of his day. Nobody can dispute that those who went off to become soldiers during the rebellion weren't motivated by their own personal sense of honor. Their sacrifice is worthy of the esteem of their countrymen, both North and South.
If you are comforted by the idea that many Confederate soldiers were indifferent to slavery, that's your prerogative.
Allow me my skepticism .
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
Your skepticism is allowed.....your assault on the ancestry of these men and what they suffered at the hands of men charged with watching over them is definitely NOT allowed sir.
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden Assault??? More southern melodrama.
Listen, you began this little exchange venting your hostility.
Your side lost. Get over it.
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
"My side lost?"
Uh.....er.....ohhhh.......dude, I hate to break this to you but I did not serve in the WBTS. I had NO SIDE in it.
I think maybe you are a bit confused.....either that or you are intent on re-winning a war that ended a hell of a long time ago. And "we" Southerns are supposedly the obsessed ones? Really? LMFAO!
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden
Once again, you came here. I didn't seek you out to talk over the rebellion with you. As for "sides", it's obvious where you sympathies lie as regards the Confederacy. If you wish to denounce any affection or loyalty, be my guest.
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
I denounce nothing pal, you seem to be the one who is deflecting here. All I did was say I honored the men who died there, you were the one who started with the attacks.
I would also point out that the US Government and the US Dept. of Veterans Affairs recognizes Confederate soldiers as American Veterans, with equal status for these men as much as any other soldier from the USA who served in wartime.
End of Story.
darthroden 9 months ago
@dogstar7 In What They Fought For James McPherson reported on more than 25,000 letters and 100 diaries of soldiers who fought. He concluded that Confederates "fought for liberty and independence from what they regarded as a tyrannical government." The letters and diaries of many Confederate soldiers "bristled with the rhetoric of liberty and self government," writes McPherson, and spoke of a fear of being "subjugated" and "enslaved" by a tyrannical federal government. Sound familiar?
hungarygator 9 months ago
@dogstar7
There is plenty of documentation that says they did....including both Union sources and Southern ones.
darthroden 9 months ago
@dogstar7
Tell you what homeboy, I will stop getting my facts from Gone With The Wind if you stop getting yours from Roots....neither movie or mini-series is historically accurate anyhow.
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden
Furthermore, don't you dare accuse Union Soldiers of ANYTHING resembling the Massacre of over 300 surrendering black Union Soldiers AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN at Fort Pillow, Tennessee - at the order of and witnessed by Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest - on April 12, 1864
Any other comments?
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
Oh no....I would not accuse Union soldiers of "massacring" anyone....except maybe Black slaves running after Sherman's army when one of his generals destroyed a bridge behind his army trapping them on the other bank and watching them drown trying to swim across.
Though I could accuse them (and justifiably) of expelling Jewish Americans from the Mississippi area under the order of Grant himself in 1862, and of 400 women and girls from Georgia in 1864.
darthroden 9 months ago
@darthroden The documented evidence is that somewhere between 65,000 and 90,000 blacks served in the Confederate Army. Their reasons varied from patriotism, to wanting to better their station in life to ties of family and friendship to needing a job in an economy that had to be totally dedicated to the war effort. Wars are complex things and so are human beings.
hungarygator 9 months ago 2
@darthroden "Justifiably",eh?
Yup, we got a live one, here.
What's your claven? Who's your Cyclops?
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7
LMFAO!
You call me and hungarygator "Klan apologists" yet you share the same POV about the Confederate soldier that a member of said group does....I for one do not.
So tell me...buddy....what does THAT say about you?
darthroden 9 months ago
@dogstar7 The supposed Fort Pillow "massacre" was wartime propaganda. There was no evidence for it and Forest was never charged with anything by the Congressional investigation that looked into it. Even the federal soldiers' own accounts did not support the fantastical newspaper claims in the North during the war.
hungarygator 9 months ago 2
@hungarygator
"Supposed"???
"propaganda"???
My tolerance for this is over. I don't who you think you are or what your purpose is, but you're nothing but a Klan apologist now buddy.
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7 LOL! Ahh, now out it comes. The "Klan" BS claim. Hey you forgot to accuse me of being a Nazi too since I had the temerity to disagree with you "buddy". How pathetic you are.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator
I call 'em like I see 'em, cracker ass.
So you dispute the Congressional Archives, eh?
War Department hearings on Ft. Pillow were contrived?
Nathan Bedford Forest was a War Criminal and a Mass Murder
The only people who dispute that are the Klan and it's apologists.
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7 it is you who disputes the congressional archives. Look at the Congressional investigation. Forest was never even charged. Look at the testimony of federal soldiers and civilians who were there. ...not the 1864 propaganda but the postwar congressional investigation. I just not how you are so insecure you have to resort to the ad hominem if anybody disagrees with you. Pathetic.
hungarygator 9 months ago
@hungarygator Keep coming back. I've made enough off of you to buy a latte tomorrow morning. Care to pay for my bagel, too?
dogstar7 9 months ago
@dogstar7 OK
hungarygator 9 months ago
Anyone living near here that can take a photo of my great, great uncle's name for me and maybe do a pencil transfer on a white sheet of paper also (like they do at Vietnam Memorial) I would gladly pay for and this would be a great act of kindness to me. His name is Jesse W. Duyck Sincerely Ron: animalcapture@usa.com 8/21/2010
animalcapture1 1 year ago
I saw your video and it was great. Camp Douglas was a living hell as Andersonville. There should be more research to do a story about what happened there.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776
Yes there should, the record of the cruelty and the inhumanity done to those Southern boys there should never be forgotten.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden are there any memorials marking were camp douglas stood. it had to be a large prison
haynes1776 1 year ago
@haynes1776
I walked the throughout as well as perimeter of the site. There are no markers there at all.
I would like to follow up with an interview with the Griffin family who ran a funeral home on the site. Look up "Civil War Talk - Griffin Funeral Home (Chicago) Built On Site Of Camp Douglas Closing At End Of Year" 12Nov2007
dogstar7 1 year ago
@dogstar7 This is a great story, too:
Ernest Griffin, who died in 1995, was the driving force behind the memorial and the Civil War memorabilia that fill the funeral home. He became fascinated with the war after learning about Camp Douglas, and then learning his own grandfather, Charles H. Griffin, joined the Union Army at Camp Douglas in 1864.
That realization came after the Griffins bought the former Camp Douglas land....
dogstar7 1 year ago
@dogstar7 The collection has not been on display since the funeral home closed in 2008. I'm hoping the family will be forthcoming if this video is successful.
dogstar7 1 year ago
@dogstar7
Yeah Mr Griffin was a black man who ran a funeral home at the site, and he actually flew a Confederate battle flag out of respect for those men who died there...a rare thing outside the South.
The camp had been built just above the University of Chicago.
There is a Confederate monument in a cemetery near there where the graves of many of the Southern soldiers who died there are buried. Not all of them are buried there though, some of them went "missing" death unreported.
darthroden 1 year ago
@darthroden
In just a quick look around the web for more information, I'm not sure if there has ever been a comprehensive archeological survey of the site. Most of the information about the plots that I could find came from contemporary illustrations from newspapers and pamphlets. Scaffolding had been erected for pedestrian traffic traversing to the southern rail-head of the city an viewing platforms overlooking the camp charged a penny for a peek through a field glass.
dogstar7 1 year ago
@dogstar7 Thats sad that there are no monuments at camp Douglas. Andersonville was more important. the men who were imprisoned there and suffered: their story must be told.
haynes1776 1 year ago
@darthroden The sad part is that they died atrociously because they wanted to continue their peacetime atrocities against the black population. Crimes against humanity is always ugly. But I have no sorrow for ppl who deny others their humanity. For anyone who has ever supported the dehumanizing of others, may they rot in hell and be forgotten.
jhvenus2004 9 months ago