Outstanding. I was a fan of the series you placed on LessWrong, and that is where I found this link. An excellent explanation of the paradox, and using a medium that most think is nothing more than a cartoon. Great find!
Not the meaning of life. Not the beginning of existence. Not the answer as to whether man is meaningful to the Creators or mere pets taken care of by His/Her hands. Not even the answer whether we have souls or are merely husks of what we think we may be.
the statement "this statement is false" is truly false because it takes up mans time and mind for pointless things that serve no tangible benefit to the world. the statement "this statement is false" is false because man could be spending that time answering the question on healing the sick and freeing slaves. so the entire question itself is a false statement because it provokes time to be spent dealing with it as a pointless paradox rather than spending time on repainging the world.
you just dont understand it. i wasnt directly answering the question, i was stating the mere fact that the paradox itself is pointless, serving no real purpose and is thus false(hood)
Just gonna pop in for a sec to say there's no need for a causal relationship between truth and productivity. While it's true that improving the world might be productive, and most lies and deceptions can be distractions from true things that could be more productive, the connection is correlational at best and not causal. That's like saying making bigmacs for a living is more true than reading Plato's Republic b/c one is tangibly productive and the other is intellectual masturbation. Get it?
To danndan6- Hey buddy... there's no need for a causal relationship between truth and productivity. While it's true that improving the world might be productive, and most lies and deceptions can be distractions from true things that could be more productive, the connection is correlational at best and not causal. That's like saying making bigmacs for a living is more true than reading Plato's Republic b/c one is tangibly productive and the other is intellectual masturbation. Get it?
no, that is not like what i was saying. reading platos republic includes decent content that can be of benefit to the world. saying "the statement is false" without ever having made the original statement is just a waste of time. it's like that funny joke where a soccer match begins and all the philosophers are standing over the ball. one says "is this ball real", the other says "am i real", another says "maybe i am the ball", meanwhile some rational human gets the ball and scores. there is life
To danndan6- Also, though your statement is actually false in that it's completely illogical, the fact that it took time to read your statement and could be construed as totally counterproductive does not negate the value of stumbling upon truth in the act of deconstructing your proposition. This is the nature of art (the lie that helps us see the truth) and any progress "I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have
succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work." -Edison
circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because...
Its not a true paradox because "this statement" refers not to any concrete object, but just to an idea.
Its best to think of the fact that any statement has no weight on its own. It wouldnt actually consider it a statement, because it is entirely dependant upon a nonsequitor, just like "Weighing the same as gandalf."
Just as gandalf has no weight, that statement has no objective truth in any case.
Incidentally, if you want to give proper credit, this is by "Tom The Fish" on AnimeMusicVideos(dot)org.
(No, I'm not him, either, but I was at Anime Weekend Atlanta the year he entered this in their AMV contest... and thus, I got to watch it on a projection screen. Yeah, everyone's mind was screwed by the end...)
@VictorLepanto No, that's the opposite of correct. It is devoid of meaning, neither true nor false. It signifies nothing, and the answer to it is nothing. "This statement is false" is neither true nor false. Full stop.
@soldierofkazus: A statement is either true or it is not, if it is NOT a statement of actual fact, it thus neceesarily false. Only a gramatically meaningless noise can be neither true or false. If the statement, This statement is true, doesn't reference an actual object of fact it is false. For there is nothing which can make it true. Only an actual fact referenced can make a statement true. If I say, I'm wearing a red shirt, that is false whether I wear a white shirt or no shirt.
@VictorLepanto You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
The meaning of a "fact" is something that can be proven true OR false. There are true facts, there are false facts, and there are non-facts. Opinions, for instance, are neither true nor false.
That said, the idea that "This statement is false" is grammatically meaningless is precisely my contention, as it contains nothing to evaluate on the basis of truth or falsehood.
that's the only false part
pietrolunz 2 months ago
obviously this sentence isn't
pietrolunz 2 months ago
You've used rhetorical language to write the video description.
Although, region-wise, it's only correct to say that you've written it in English.
DragoSonicMile 8 months ago
English? (video description)
UltimasIsland 8 months ago
You could just do a normal video instead of making this so freaky!
mi9worm 9 months ago
@mi9worm But then I couldn't use it to torment people.
Ayanami555 5 months ago
Logic, what have you done?
CrimsonVermillioneye 10 months ago
I don't get it, sorry.
KiraShikaku 10 months ago
Shinji's face right there? It looks like mine after I watched this video and went mad from the revelation
babypanda8u 1 year ago
I think I've gone insane
XPDGladnor 1 year ago
Have yoo ever been sick with a very high fever and had dreams like this.
EverithingNormalhere 1 year ago
MIIIIIIINNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKKKKK!
saymana11 1 year ago
PANDA FTW
991woot119 1 year ago
by stateing that the staement is false, that is true within the literal translation of the statement.
it's a circular riddle.
greenguygirl 1 year ago
Outstanding. I was a fan of the series you placed on LessWrong, and that is where I found this link. An excellent explanation of the paradox, and using a medium that most think is nothing more than a cartoon. Great find!
Gawainster 1 year ago
I think...I saw the truth...
Not the meaning of life. Not the beginning of existence. Not the answer as to whether man is meaningful to the Creators or mere pets taken care of by His/Her hands. Not even the answer whether we have souls or are merely husks of what we think we may be.
Just...the truth...
I must Contemplate Navels to justify this
TehKensu 1 year ago
The Epimenides Paradox and Liars Paradox are 2 different thing.
Epimenides Paradox: this statement is false.
Lars Parodox: the flowing statement is true.
the previous statement is false.
watev4 2 years ago
Who applauded that?
theMoporter 2 years ago
true false???? i just don't care hahaha!
jessikita77 2 years ago
I have no idea why, but this made me laugh so horribly hard.
RosemaryOfTheWilis 2 years ago
This near drove me conkers! XD
rollermaul22 2 years ago
the statement "this statement is false" is truly false because it takes up mans time and mind for pointless things that serve no tangible benefit to the world. the statement "this statement is false" is false because man could be spending that time answering the question on healing the sick and freeing slaves. so the entire question itself is a false statement because it provokes time to be spent dealing with it as a pointless paradox rather than spending time on repainging the world.
danndan6 2 years ago
Congratulations, your comment made less sense than the paradox. You won!
ZergRushJohnny 2 years ago 3
you just dont understand it. i wasnt directly answering the question, i was stating the mere fact that the paradox itself is pointless, serving no real purpose and is thus false(hood)
danndan6 2 years ago
@ZergRushJohnny: a golden comment.
kovacsandras 2 years ago
Just gonna pop in for a sec to say there's no need for a causal relationship between truth and productivity. While it's true that improving the world might be productive, and most lies and deceptions can be distractions from true things that could be more productive, the connection is correlational at best and not causal. That's like saying making bigmacs for a living is more true than reading Plato's Republic b/c one is tangibly productive and the other is intellectual masturbation. Get it?
PetePancreas 2 years ago 3
To danndan6- Hey buddy... there's no need for a causal relationship between truth and productivity. While it's true that improving the world might be productive, and most lies and deceptions can be distractions from true things that could be more productive, the connection is correlational at best and not causal. That's like saying making bigmacs for a living is more true than reading Plato's Republic b/c one is tangibly productive and the other is intellectual masturbation. Get it?
PetePancreas 2 years ago
no, that is not like what i was saying. reading platos republic includes decent content that can be of benefit to the world. saying "the statement is false" without ever having made the original statement is just a waste of time. it's like that funny joke where a soccer match begins and all the philosophers are standing over the ball. one says "is this ball real", the other says "am i real", another says "maybe i am the ball", meanwhile some rational human gets the ball and scores. there is life
danndan6 2 years ago
To danndan6- Also, though your statement is actually false in that it's completely illogical, the fact that it took time to read your statement and could be construed as totally counterproductive does not negate the value of stumbling upon truth in the act of deconstructing your proposition. This is the nature of art (the lie that helps us see the truth) and any progress "I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have
succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work." -Edison
PetePancreas 2 years ago
this is a stupid video but i am really digging the bagpipe music
bloodyfivehovel 2 years ago 3
@bloodyfivehovel
I dig it too, howover, show this to a bunch of matix fans, they would applausse too :)
strictoses 2 years ago
circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because...
fotbolspelare190 2 years ago
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My dick is true; your mom's vagina is false.
VirtualBilly 2 years ago
I was wondering when the average youtuber would start commenting here! thx
DavidtheDuke 2 years ago 2
Its not a true paradox because "this statement" refers not to any concrete object, but just to an idea.
Its best to think of the fact that any statement has no weight on its own. It wouldnt actually consider it a statement, because it is entirely dependant upon a nonsequitor, just like "Weighing the same as gandalf."
Just as gandalf has no weight, that statement has no objective truth in any case.
enderwiggin42 2 years ago
cute ako ikaw monggoloid
acs26 2 years ago
Incidentally, if you want to give proper credit, this is by "Tom The Fish" on AnimeMusicVideos(dot)org.
(No, I'm not him, either, but I was at Anime Weekend Atlanta the year he entered this in their AMV contest... and thus, I got to watch it on a projection screen. Yeah, everyone's mind was screwed by the end...)
codeman38 2 years ago 2
However, this statement contains nothing by which to define its truth or falsehood and is therefore meaningless.
soldierofkazus 2 years ago 21
@soldierofkazus: & if it is "meaningless" then it is false, for a meaningless statement can not be true. Thus it is true, &.......
VictorLepanto 11 months ago
@VictorLepanto No, that's the opposite of correct. It is devoid of meaning, neither true nor false. It signifies nothing, and the answer to it is nothing. "This statement is false" is neither true nor false. Full stop.
soldierofkazus 10 months ago
@soldierofkazus: A statement is either true or it is not, if it is NOT a statement of actual fact, it thus neceesarily false. Only a gramatically meaningless noise can be neither true or false. If the statement, This statement is true, doesn't reference an actual object of fact it is false. For there is nothing which can make it true. Only an actual fact referenced can make a statement true. If I say, I'm wearing a red shirt, that is false whether I wear a white shirt or no shirt.
VictorLepanto 10 months ago
@VictorLepanto You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
The meaning of a "fact" is something that can be proven true OR false. There are true facts, there are false facts, and there are non-facts. Opinions, for instance, are neither true nor false.
That said, the idea that "This statement is false" is grammatically meaningless is precisely my contention, as it contains nothing to evaluate on the basis of truth or falsehood.
soldierofkazus 10 months ago
Best Contemplate Our Navels ever!
CannibalSmith 2 years ago 8
This is clearly a deleted scene from "Einstein on the Beach".
dclayh 2 years ago 2