Dogfights-Thunderbolt 2/5

[s2korpionic]

Not that I'm undermining the Thunderbolt's ruggedness, but I've had different experiences with the IL-2 sim. The Focke-Wulf has cannons that could put the B-17 to a shivering fear.

[mistajshortee]

How many g-forces are there at 430 mph?

[willbitch6]

here are my favorite planes:p-51,p-47,p-38,me-109,f­w-190,japanese zero,p-40,b-17,b-24,b-25,b-29,­hellcat

[vanrooyen100]

Does one need the background music? Is not the subject matter interesting enough without the orchestra in the background?

[tinheartx50]

@etornel79 u mad?......a german.......

[etornel79]

@tinheartx50

lol...no...i was drinking at the time......i removed it....lol...sorry....

[VetUSArmy]

The Jug is a huge airplane. The P-51 looks like a miniature next to it. I worked for the CAF for 9 years and got to see them and all the WWII aircraft.

[spraynpray]

Why did the Axis air forces mount those 7-8mm rifle caliber machine guns on their planes?! They still thinking it's WW1?

[fortcon]

@spraynpray Because they usually mounted them in tandem with 20mm cannons.

[ClanTwat]

That German dude has some serious respect! At least he was a nice guy in the end!

[dcrasta]

@ClanTwat He ran outta ammo..

[johanmoo]

whats the name of the german (with honor)???

[homoKaliptus]

the german could come from the top to hit the cabine and kill the pilot

[homoKaliptus]

beautiful camouflage on the misserscmitt

[ZLIgari]

@homoKaliptus

Thats FW 190

[chucklingchicken]

@homoKaliptus Its not a messerschmitt, its a Foke-Wulf 190 which is made by the company Focker no messerschmitt

[MechaWolf0]

The only thing that saved Johnson was the fact that Mayer had only machine gun ammo left. He had used up his cannon ammo on bombers.

[ninjacouncilguild]

didnt the fw190s have canon...

[adobo777]

@ninjacouncilguild Cannons run out of ammo fast.

[aitouammi]

how can those old men remember all of these details 

[dan77b1]

Довольно хороший самолет. но его жизнь до 3000. ну а там ЯК, ЛАГГ ,Ме. по пиару вам равных нет

[MrJp990]

so the german.... rocked his wings in salute to the wounded p-47? wow

[andromedarr]

@MrJp990 Yeah, Germans had honor too :)

[MrJp990]

@andromedarr he saluted an enemy? ok

[anything1134]

@andromedarr Yeah, that's Pretty honorable saluting an enemy after you blew all your ammo trying to shoot him down . rofl

[Salguine]

@anything1134 If I were Johnson I'd have saluted back and then rammed the bastard before he could bank away.

[anything1134]

@Salguine haha that woulda been funny!

[Salguine]

@anything1134 Think about it...he's right there flying alongside you, and he probably damn sure wouldn't be expecting it. And I'd bet that the P-47 would take the collision way better than the 109. Think how pissed you'd be after all that.

On the other hand, if the P-47 couldn't withstand the collision, you're screwed, since we already know he couldn't bail out. It's miraculous that it withstood as much damage as it did; no sense pushing your luck by this point. I'd have thought about it though.

[HalcyonSkies]

@Salguine Actually, he was flying a Focke Wulf 190, which is also a fairly rugged plane. Not as much as the P-47, but its way more rugged than the 109. The 190 would probably fair just as well as the badly wounded P-47, that is to say, both planes wouldn't be flying home. :)

[Salguine]

@HalcyonSkies My God, you're right. How did I miss that? I wasn't paying very close attention, I guess. I'd have still thought about trying to catch his wing with my prop, though.

[HalcyonSkies]

@Salguine I think its a mental thing. Sometimes its easy to confuse the numbers 109 and 190, even on a subliminal level. Sometimes when i'm typing, i'll mean to type one and i'll type the other. It probably just was a momentary lapse in concentration and getting the two numbers confused.

If it was me I doubt i'd want a mid-air collision at all. Trying to catch someones wing with your prop would be highly dangerous and very, very hard to do. You're flying at 400 mph after all.

[Salguine]

@HalcyonSkies I know, I'm just talking about the impulse you'd have after the a**hole who'd been tormenting you for many terrifying minutes is just sitting there next to you.

[HalcyonSkies]

@Salguine Yeah, the rush or air combat, the instinct that takes over you when you're against a tough enemy like that. I get the same feeling sometimes just flying a flight simulator. I know what you mean :)

[ferdieloverboy]

its a tough aircraft, amazin.. P47

[Jonno2summit]

I read Robert Johnson's book many years ago. An excellent book! When initially hit his 47 was hit right behind the cockpit by 30mm. When they show his plane in the photo (at 2:41) you can see the shredded metal, and why his canopy was jammed. He also lost a cylinder from his engine, which is why the windscreen was covered in oil. Amazing story.

[haters123]

That german idiot was a cocky motherfucker when he pulled up next to Johnson, and shaking his head, like he' s gonna shoot him down... Retard ran out of ammo... Good job American engineering. P-47 was the best airplane ever built, next to the P-51

[Mattessj]

@haters123 he also had the courtesy of not calling out his location....

[DonTheCritic]

@haters123 Egon Mayer was a gentleman and a fine pilot. You're just demonstrating your ignorance.

[Warblade118]

God. Imagine taking all those hits and still flying. The mustang will always be my favorite, but this made me fall in love with the thunderbolt too. I can only imagine what that German was thinking. “I can’t even shoot this thing down and he’s just flying straight?!” Bet the German wished he had a P-47!

[colddrake80]

@Warblade118 That was the limitation of rifle caliber machine guns. The German ace had probably run out of cannon ammo. A few rounds of 30 mm could have wrecked the P-47.

[Warblade118]

@colddrake80 I could just as easily surmise that he was using 30mm. The fact is neither of us were there so we’ll never know. Maybe I’m not reading your comment right but it kidna seems like you might be making excuses for the German rather than acknowledging the P-47’s astounding durability. How many aircraft can take being hit by, presumably, hundreds, if not thousands of rounds of any cal. wing tip to wing tip, while being unable to evade and (albeit, with some luck) still get the pilot home?

[skippydeenice]

@Warblade118 Egon Mayer was eventually KIA by a Thunderbolt of the 358th

[BlackDHbatman]

@Warblade118 DO YOU LIKE MY GLOWING GREEN BALLS?

[TheBaseball145]

@BlackDHbatman What the hell?

[norseleague]

Incredible! But I loved it tha ta P-47 could fly virtually no matter what.

[beezaboy63]

I love WWII aircraft. I had had my favourites, which were all British; But My God, I been converted! The "Jug" was the most amazing and durable aircraft-possibly in history!

[MadDawgAce03]

God was certainly watching over Robert that day.

[garibay711cod]

IF THE U.S. AND GERMANY WOULD HAVE BEEN 2GETHER IN WW2 THWY WOULD HAVE BEEN UNSTOPALE

[FunGuy133]

stuck a feather in his hat and called in macaroni!

[legendarytoyou]

i remember an old WW2 veteran during basic training told us the P-47 was like the Chevy Pickup of fighter airplanes; incredibly tough, can take alot of punishment and keep flying and a baddass engine. after seeing this i believe =D. he said about the only aircraft that was more durable was an SBD Dauntless Fighter/Bomber used in the Pacific Theatre

[tengothenight]

Mayer 102 kills,Johnson 27....yes,thats a diffrence.

[mrnipplechopps]

@tengothenight if you knew anything about US pilots its that they rotate home and train recruits. They don't fly 1/10 of the time German, Russian ect pilots had to. That's one of the reasons the US would never run out of fresh trained pilots. Other countries did not pull there's out of combat they flew until they died or were lucky enough to make it to the end of the war. That's also why we build our aircraft with pilot safety in mind, we can always replace a plane not a pilot.

[burjegol]

@tengothenight johnson's 5th victory was a 200+ kills ace on the eastern front. he was made ace while flying as a wingman

[tengothenight]

Mayer and Johnson...real aces !!!

[birdmanofbooze]

Ahh Leiben..Was ist das. Einin Thunderbolt !! Ich Sheist my Leiderhosen !!!!

[BasicModelling]

Johnson flew with the 56th Fighter Group.. the highest scoring Fighter Group in the ETO..

[88Thyra]

yankee doodle went to town , riding on a pony...

[justforever96]

Although they show the wing-guns (which are 20mm cannons) firing, if those had really been cannon-shells, that guy would have been toast. A plane can soak up a lot of bullets, but even then it's amazing that no incendiaries hit his fuel tanks. His engine is supposed to be out, right?. I guess the P-47 has a higher stall-speed than the Focke-Wulf; otherwise I'd say he should just slow down as much as he can, make the other guy fight to go slow enough to stay on his tail. Are his controls shot up?

[mzdamx3rs]

cant slow down then your going to lose altitude to quick and be guarnteed to be captured in enemy territory his only hope was altitude and speed

[justforever96]

That's more or less what I was saying. It's all in the wing loading. Every plane has a certain minimum speed that they can possibly fly and maintain altitude at the same time. The P-47 has a higher wing loading than the 190 does. Presumably you can fly slower in a 190 and still hold altitude than in a P-47. As for altitude and speed, I'm not sure, but I think the P-47 is dead-engine. He can't speed up without loosing altitude, and he can't climb without slowing down, and the 190 can fly slower.

[burjegol]

Johnson, the pilot thought as well that his engine was toast, and was just gliding along towards the coast. in the middle of the channel, air sea rescue radioed him to climb up as he was getting faint on the radar. to his surprise, the engine responded when he applied power. the tally? 21 20 mm cannon holes, more than a hundred .30 cal bullets holes. needless to say, the plane has done its job well, it brought back the pilot, to become the second highest scoring air to air kills ETO.

[justforever96]

21 20mm hits? Holy shit! Now that IS impressive. One thing I always kind of wondered when I hear these "hole counts" is how they define each hole. I mean, if a bullet goes in one side and out the other, do they only count the entrance hole, or do they see a hole on each side and count 2 holes? In any case, the actual number of holes is less important than what the bullets hit inside the fuselage (or wings). One good thing about the P-47 is the empty space inside, with all it's piping, etc.

[FireXtheRipper]

highest scoring ALLIED pilot... thats a diffrence

[burjegol]

@FireXtheRipper yessir, a real difference. comparing johnson with other noted aces, he bagged 27 victories in just 90+ combat missions. Hans marseilles got his 27th kill after about 125 missions, and erich hartman got his 27th kills after more than 150 missions. and remember, those german pilots were veterans of aerial combat whereas johnson was never really qualified as a combat fighter pilot ( his training was bombers, and his gunnery score is 4.5, whereas passing grade is 5.0 )

[FireXtheRipper]

well lets sy that german pilots diddnt had so many targests in the beginning...but yes ok...im not the expert...i just think that germany had the best pilots

[EDquetrabalhamuito]

Egon Mayer

[rifleman101]

P-47 is awesome. Nuff said.