f-22 win because americans are best make fighter jets but russians can't make fighter jets like usa ! usa technology is more more higher than russian technology!
russians make good air defence systems like s-500 s-400
@willbertdsgc aerodinamics of PAK FA is much better than Su-35C (SU-37)...as soon as PAK FA will pass all tests it can be used over 5G...then we look through how much maneuvrable it can be.
Unlike the F-22, which uses stealth technology, 85 percent of the surface of Russian T-50 is covered with unique nanotechnological materials that decrease both the visibility of the plane and the air drag. The technical specifications of the missiles for the jet exceed the analogues of the US aircraft. In addition, the T-50 can fire the missiles hidden in internal departments at hypersonic speed. The US fifth-generation aircraft can not do this and has to decelerate for the purpose.
The Russian fifth-generation aircraft can be compared to the USA's F-22.
"One may say that the T-50 exceeds the foreign analogues on certain specifications, the maneuverability, first and foremost. The artificial intellect system will also surprise the competitors,"
If you want to see facts about the T-50 please read this:
1) he official press release says that the T-50 will combine the functions of the assault aircraft and fighter jet. The aircraft is equipped with a new complex of avionics which integrates the electronic function and a prospective phased-array radar. The new equipment gives the pilot an opportunity to concentrate more on the execution of combat tasks,
@ReDDDgo First I dont think they stole it cause if that was the case then wheres the evidence, and the germans and russians would have made it first when they got the chance.
The so-called technology a stealth is senseless in global war. The USSR understood it, therefore didn't give attention. In the USSR Peter Ufimtsev has made mathematical model of diffraction of radio-waves. Really the USSR wouldn't pay to this attention if it was so important. And today Russia does PAK-FA in a greater degree for a foreign market. Especially uses much cheaper and more effective technologies of building a stealth.
@ReDDDgo actually Russians invented stealth technology.. something many americans dont know .they copied the works of Peter Ufimtsev.. and developed their F117 with his discoveries. he is for nothing called the father of steath. Unfortunately Soviet Union collapsed when he was trying to get his works noticed.
@Vann7 Look, Peter Ufimtsev had theories. Obviously they did not work because even Russia had to go another way and rely on planform alignment (first seen on the YF-22 and YF-23) as well as a series of other American innovations just to produce their first "semi stealth" aircraft 20 years after the US began using stealth planes in combat (F-117). Also, the SR-71 and U-2 were in service while Ufimtsev was still doing research. Davenchi theorized about airplanes, but he's not the inventor is he?
@AeroSharkTech U2 -SR71 were not stealth planes their ability was to flight very fast and very high out of range of Soviets anti-air systems. Peter Ufimtsev theories DO worked. but soviets didnt though in the 60's a plane could be made with those theories. so they went safer designs. all 5th generation jets today including F22 and F35 were made thanks t his discoveries . watch on youtube the story of stealh. ( aJ98lBR9tgY ) . he also is behind of Anti-stealth radars..btw..
@Vann7 Yes, I saw that pro Soviet propaganda. And the majority of that video is total crap . The U-2 and SR-71 were reduced cross section aircraft. They were not "stealth" but they were difficult for then modern radar to detect. The U-2 in particular did not rely on speed as it was sub sonic. The F-117 relied heavily on obtuse angles more so than Ufimtsev's shakey theories, which the majority have been debunked over the last 20 years. I can tell you Ufimtsev had 0% to contribute to the F-22.
@AeroSharkTech Dude watch the video again.. the CIA guy ,he himself told the Ufimtsev works STILL are used as the base for their next generation stealth planes. you don't reinvent the wheel once discovered no ? Thats why stealth technonology will be sooner or later seen everywhere ,just like nuclear reactors ,since the core science is not secret. He gave lectures everywhere . all stealth planes F22/F35 and others are based on his revolutionary discoveries in the early 60's .
@AeroSharkTech second reply. all said.Americans deserve the credit to be first to develop stealth planes using Ufimtsev's theories , but since he gave the science to the whole scientific community sooner or later everyone will have it too. Even Iranians and chinesse have now stealth planes. There are different sciences for stealth however that scientist are working. Russians are now working on the next big thing. stealth plasma planes but thats decades away in the future.
@F22raptor46 Germany applied radio absorbing materials in days of WWII to periscopes of submarines. Go to school, the ignoramus. Your illiteracy is tiresome
@ReDDDgo You read the specs and then let me know cause i have, and if i was illiterate i wouldn't be typing like this. I have read the specs of both the planes, and i know what there capabilities are.
It's really sad people don't know their history truth is Russia can't touch the U.S they are scared lil bitches, we rule the Sky's and the seas, how about we just send a B-2 bomber over there and fuck all yall up simple as that, don't forget who drop the first atomic weapon, not one but two, for fuck sake's man the U.S is a Military Country we have weapons that our own people don't even know about, fuck a russia and their bull shit planes that always have flaws plus our pilots are way better
Come on guys you must not know your history, The russian migs were better than the F-4 Phantom and still got there ass kicked lol because we have way better pilots, there is always a flaw in russian jets, what makes you think a 200 million dollar f-22 can't beat some peice of shit scarp metal from russia? The U.S makes way better jets than russia. We flew over russia air space with out SR 71 Blackbird and russia couldn't even shoot it down lmao and that was in the 60's it's 2012 now good luck
The instantaneous turn rate of the Raptor is astonishing but I think when the Ruskies finally start putting their bird through its paces, it will surpass even the Raptor. If the stealth is working as it's designed to then medium to long range is rarely going to happen and probably only visual encounters will occur leaving the most agile victorious. Whatever Russia is doing they certainly are now building beautiful fighters and that all started with the Fulcrum in my opinion.
Sad to say, but the end of piloted fighter aircraft is coming to a close because of drone technology with hypersonic stealth. Scamjet speeds to Mach 7 and G-forces the human body can never endure are making this the last days of the "Gunfighter" ...
the su-50 PAK FA is SUPER STEALTH and the f-22 is just stealth :) russia just past the U.S by a little notice i didn't america lyk most people say it its because america is not the U.S, u.s is in america and north ameica just like canada learn get use to sayin US not america :)
@jorge227able1 Ehhhh... got it backwards there. Raptor is focused on extreme stealth and strong agility, PAK is focused on strong stealth and extreme agility. Raptor has the edge at long range, but the PAK will outmaneuver the Raptor in a close range dogfight... which is likely to be the battlefield for future stealth fighters. Though, pilot ability will be a huge factor. Russia has passed us up a bit, I agree. But enjoy that while you can, we'll catch back up once we fix our country! :P
@Ariana321 Well to fix your country the first it need to do is focus on school and not military stuff like the U.S wastes more than a million of $ for each pilot to be trained now how much do they use on school make calculations second it is true what ur saying about agility and yea but who knows probably this time the U.S will accept that they didn't really touch the moon any ways the technology of russia in any concept is a decade is ahead of the U.S
@jorge227able1 You are out of touch. Get your facts straight. On the Moon, no question about it. Yes we have school problems but but we spend more on students than anybody. I think more of an attitude proble with our students. Our left wingers are more into entitlements and free ride attitudes.
In our days kings of the sky is SU-35 and MiG-35\OVT, in next 50 years king of the sky should be T-50. But in this video T-50 flying like A-380 because it first flights and all skills are not showed.
Just another peice of Russian shit! The video clips of the aerial display on the T-50 was very shitty. The F-22 rules! You guys who are making so much claim to your experience on the technical side of this arguement are just a bunch of no pussy getting closet fags. Stop trying to sound so smart when you are sitting in your mom, or mum's basement with a thumb tucked up your cherry ass. Tuck your legs behind your head, and suck your own dicks! Suck a fart out of my ass!
@hussur I know that's not the real name (doesnt have one) and it doesnt work with the way NATO names fighters but I thought it sounded cool and mysterious like the PAK FA
F-22A Raptor is a joke hes topsecretpaint kant stand rain lolz... .50kailber kan shoot it down lolz krap and yes 356Milijon dollar for one and now teh stopt the production f22 is no danger at all for non of the worlds airforces XD
US F-22 Pilot: Sweet my plane is best in world and super stealth, let's fly over Russia, their SU-PAK FA and S-400 will never detect my plane HHHAAHHHAA. WARNING!!!!!
I keep hearing about this T50 look you could put in f 14 tomcat in the air and the us would take down most of these other countries planes because of our pilots! So you can have a very fast car but if you don't know how to drive it then ur most likely going to end up wrecking it. We have great pilots and I don't think no country will be bringing down an f 22, truth is you could fly that thing to the moon and back and still kick ass lol
Once we came out with the Raptor it was over with for any country trying to get in the air and win a battle. I mean the F15 eagle is one bad ass plane but it's old now and time has finally got to it. Hence why we made the raptor by far the best jet in the air, I mean who would be crazy enough to get in the air and take on a raptor I recall hearing 2 raptors take out 15 f 15's and the pilots of the f 15's said they never even seen it coming, trust that this plane will insure us victory everytime
@KINGPACER Yes. But F-15 have only x-diapason radar. Russian Su-35 and T-50 (Su-51/55 - not oficial) have x+l -diapason radar. It`s mean that they see stealth. Sorry, my English is not good )))
@Anteus007 Your English is fine. I don't think your facts are.The F-15 is Generation 3, partial stealth like everyone elses latest generation. No one has seen Raptor stealth on radar. . It's only at risk when seen visually. I have seen the raptor do it's routine and it is incredible. I guess we will wait and see about Su-35. Regards
@tophiloliver You wrong in the begining. First - F-15 is Generation 4 actualy. Second - you know what is X-diaposon / L-diaposon ??? Google it. In L-diapason Raptor can bee seen. PAK FA have a new combination radar X+L-diapason (it`s like DVD/CD-RW). USA has no such radars.
@Anteus007 Not necessarily, longwave L band radars which can 'see stealth' are very inaccurate so it is very unlikely that they would track something like an F-22.
@TheTequilaShooter once again, you are nothing to even respond to me..and such uneducated persons shouldn`t teach when they are retard themselves...U can`t even teach 1st grade kids, just because these kids would grow retards like you. Gl moron :D ...Owned.
@DirtyThing20 Instead of making stupid-ass comments yourself, educate us all, and tell us why you believe "Author of this vid is probably retarded..F22 is incompetent to contend with PAK50". If you can't back up what you say with proof then STFU.
guys relax, russia and china are wasting their money when drone technology is the future. we have stealth drones and now they have their first "stealth" planes. we started developing the F-117 in the 70s. now they have stealth. america wins again.
I'd say out of all the stealth fighters today,(comparing China's and Russia's)the F-22 is the most awesome looking of them all, as if they had an artist do this. I wouldn't know much about the specifications of it or of the other aircraft nor do anyone else in youtube know actual information. So fighting over who would beat who is just stupid. Enjoy mankind's masterpiece's, with the demonstration's of these aircraft we know the future is going to have some cool technology.
@clutchpimp do some research yourself before you criticize others on a lack of knowledge. This is very basic knowledge for any fighter aviation buff, and especially for someone who's been around fighters and those associated with them for years
@3dimon3 While I'm not a pilot, I have read what many have had to say about the cobra. When dogfighting it is not a wise move to bleed energy, which is exactly what the cobra does. The fighter tries to keep their energy by doing rolls and so forth. Plus, with today's off-sight weapons, it's not necessary to point your nose upward to get a shot. I have read GOAF's prior posts, and he seems objective to me. Is there something in particular that you don't agree with?
@3dimon3 The F-22 can do the cobra no sweat, and its pilots will tell you that its not smart because of the loss of energy. In other words, when you pull your nose updward you instantly lose speed (energy), and you're a sitting duck.
No worries about your English. You give it your best shot and that's all that matters.
@3dimon3 You don't think the US pilots practice against that with the F-22's acting as bait? Dude, the last thing you want to do is stop all your energy because you become an easy target. Speed and energy keep you alive.
@3dimon3 I just watched the video. It mentions nothing about the cobra or its usefulness to support your opinion. As I mentioned earlier, you'll find that fighter pilots believe the best way to stay alive to to keep your energy up by not performing bleeding manuevers like the dobra. All it does is slow you you down, which makes an easy target.
@JFMUFC26 an f16 can perform the cobra manuever, which btw is a combat situation is uterly useless and will get pilots killed, you dont need thrust vectoring, you do have to burn speed though
F-22 remains the dominant 5th gen fighter, and realistically the only fifth gen fighter in production for that matter, because it's so damned expensive nobody else can afford to develop/produce one. Heck, we couldn't even afford to produce and develop it, we just did it anyway.
This pice of shit are the worst plane ever made in the planet earth!F22 CRAPTOR misses the mark from the very beginning of his production, just a waste of money and nothing else, let alone the superior fighter! Here are a few days ago the USAF announced that all copies of F22 unusable due to problems in electrical installations, supply of oxygen in the cabin and the biggest problem CORROSION !!!!!!! If you do not believe me go to the official site and check! This shit is PAK FA destryer HAHHAA!!
@Suyamu Her production has been cancelled but there are still F-22A's coming off the assembly line. I believe there 7~9 ordered F-22As that havent been delievered yet. Just an FYI
@1978BHO - you're an idiot. the F-22 was designed and built by an Australian company Lockheed Martin. the U.S. secured the contract for the Raptor but it was not designed nor built by us.
Where do we find these people? Lockheed Martin is an Australian company? Are you just trolling or are you so ignorant that you actually believe this? Two of the three American companies which merged to form Lockheed Martin, those two would be Lockheed and Martin Aircraft, are literally legendary American warplane manufacturers since long before World War 2. Australian? If you don't know what you are talking about why waste the bandwidth and my time?
@Cubitascubano back on US Military hardware. P-51 arguably the best plane in WWII, the USS Nautilus 1st nuclear powered vessel and 1st nuclear powerd sub, USS George Washington, 1st sub capable of launching a SLB from under water, AIM-4 Falcon, 1st radar and infrared guided missile, Hiroshima 1st and only use of nuke in war, D-Day, largest sea invasion in history, B-2 1st large stealth bomber, F-14 and F-15 1st Gen 4 fighters, and many many many more!!! The US is ALWAYS on the forefront
@flamoclanlead I thought I had put that in. Oh ok I meant to just put the 1st use. I know we bombed Nagasaki too, I know military history. Thank's for paying attention
@Cubitascubano Thrust Vectoring fighters (X-31, F/A-18 HARV, F-16 VISTA & F-15 ACTIVE/,MTV) heat seeking and radar guided missiles. Russia didnt get there missiles until after a Taiwanese AIM-9B hit a Chinese Communist MiG-17 without exploding, the missile lodging itself in the airframe of the MiG after which the pilot was able to bring both plane and missile back to base. The result, K-13/R-3S missile (NATO reporting name AA-2 'Atoll'), a reverse-engineered copy of the Sidewinder. Lets look
@GOAF2014 - actually the only fighters in existence with thrust vectoring technology are the F-22 and the F-35 JSF. The russian MiG was a way better jet than anything the world had until the birth of the F-15. until that time the US didn't care about speed and maneuverability in the air they only cared about firepower but as we were getting completely dominated we needed a faster and more agile fighter. you should read up on these things that you argue about more!
F-22, F-35B, Harrier, Su-30MKI, Su-35S, PAK FA T-50, MiG-35, YAK 141.
The MiG before the F-15 was the MiG-25 and it was a peice of junk. The Eagle came along to beat it and then Russia responded with the MiG-29 and Su-27. Also, before the F-15, firepower played 2nd fiddle to speed. This is apperent in the Century Series of fighters. Not until the F-4 did firepower come into the equation, and even then manueverability wasn't on the board. You should
@GOAF2014 ...you have not to compare mig 25 ti f15 . the mig 25 is a recognition and interceptor jet who was the response to the XB70 VALKYRIE,now it's replaced by the powerfull mig 31 , the f15 is for air superiority who came 8 years after(64-72) , it's not the same thing . the mig 29 was the response to f16 and f 18, the first fly of the su 27 was in 1977 also commissioned in 1985. so that lead to say the f15 was with no real challenger during 13 years since it was commissioned .
@Cubitascubano name, ranks and unit. Ill find him and we'll settle this entire ordeal. Oh and btw, incase you didnt know, the Soviet Union DOES NOT EXSIST ANYMORE MORON! The Soviet Army was the largest group of mass murderes in history, The USSR under Stalin killed more Russians than the Red Army killed Nazis. The US since WWII has ALWAYS been at the forefront of weapons tech. Launchable ICBMs from underwater, superconic aircraft, supersonic fighters, thrust vectoring (we invented it), TVC fight
@Cubitascubano On what planet are you living on? Ive been to various military bases (living there) and Ive seen countless units got o war and its done with gusto and enthusism. They aren't happy but they are pumped up and ready for anything. We are talking about a force that downed the 3rd largest army on earth in a week. The US Military surpasses every military on earth. We Are The Force To be Reckoned With!!! Also, as for your father, if he's really a Raptor pilot as you say, then tell me his
Fights between the F-22A and the PAK-FA will be close, high, fast and lethal. The F-22A may get ‘first look’ with the APG-77, the Advanced Infra Red Search and Track (AIRST) sensor having been deleted to save money, but the PAK-FA may get ‘first look’ using its advanced infrared sensor.The outcome will be difficult to predict as it will depend a lot on the combat skills of the pilots and the capabilities of the missiles for end-game kills. There is no guarantee for an F22 first kill
@Cubitascubano You mean him. And yes I am. Never find him, psh another way of saying he doesnt exsist. The only people I cant find are Spec Ops and the dead
@Cubitascubano Let's just say I know a few Raptor pilots and anyone with common sense knows your BSing. I still want you father's info so I cant find him
@Cubitascubano 4th, the Raptor is easy to fly in a dogfight. Its massive flight surfaces and the moveable distance they exibit along with refigned aerodynamics and thrust vectoring allows the Raptor to out-turn nearly everything else out there. All of this stuff is easily found online, extremely basic research. i mean a 1st grader would know this stuff. 4000ft, hard to turn in a dogfight, psh! Man you made me laugh!
@Cubitascubano WOW youre full of shit!! 1st off the F-22 has been around for an entire decade before PAK FA. The YF-22 prototype flew in 1990, PAK FA T-50 had her 1st flight in 2010. Thats a 20 year difeerence. 2nd off, i doubt yourfather flies the Raptor. If Im wrong, give me his name, rank and unit and Ill look him up. 3rd, whatever moron told you the Raptor flies at 4000ft needs to be beaten senseless along with yourself. The Raptor flies at above 50,000 ft, possibly 65,000+ ft like the F-15.
@750Vlad really a prototype that has taken off and landed is better than a 5th gen fighter in use since 2005, sure troll, the t50 doesnt even have 5th gen engines yet, they are still developing them and there is no guarentee they will be built, the raptor is yrs ahead on development and pilot training, when the t50 becomes operation in 2015 if the russians are lucky, it will not yet be able to contend with even legacy fighters for many months why problems are worked out, think before you speak
@packr72 I will answer you on this, the PAK FA was developed primarily as a murderer of F-22. Weapons designed for a long time ago, in the inner compartments for a 10 suspension points. In addition to a 2 outer hangers-range ultra-2 missiles to destroy aircraft such as AWACS. Given that the new engines will be developed for him in 2013, as well as maneuverability PAK-FA, the presence of optical-radar stations which have no F-22 and the visibility the same as in the F-22 in combat chances no F-22
@750Vlad the f22 is far more stealth, even the f35 is more stealth than the t50, the russians may say it can take on a raptor, good luck, usaf pilots get 200 flight hrs per yr, while russian pilots get about 60, the raptors aim120d are the best bvr missile around and the f22 raptor has supermanueverablity, your statements are foolish
@packr72 Your arguments are no less stupid missiles you are talking about are not the best long and not so good they are, as noted above all your experts. Missile launches on stelssamoletam at long distances is not effective. Given that the maneuverability of American fighters are always inferior to the Soviet and Russian, the chances of a melee in the F-22 is not enough. Your arguments are not only not
@750Vlad Progress your argument is typical of the arrogant American or European. The reasoning I have seen in the past about the quality of the SU-27 and F-15. However, when Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia in 1993, conducted training battles between the Russian pilots in Su-27 and U.S. on F-15, the results were not in favor of the Americans 8:1
@750Vlad yeah russian planes are more manueverable, that's why the f15 made a career out of shooting down migs in dogfights, bvr missiles aren't effective huh. thats why 2/3 of all aerial kills in desert storm were made with the old aim7 sparrow, and the older amraams have performed well at long range, the d has a range of 180km, excedding the best russian air to air missile in range, and has a speed of mach4.5 also excedding its russian counterpart, and anti radiation missiles
@packr72 Yes, really brought down the Iraqi and Serbian aircraft, but it happened because of the large numerical superiority of NATO aircraft, AWACS aircraft and the use of outdated equipment used by the Air Force of Serbia and Iraq. The only type missiles with ranges of 180 km is the missile launch Phoenix, taken from the U.S. Air Force weapons and that's the whole secret of success. U.S. Air Force has never fought with an equal opponent.
@packr72 Yes, really brought down the Iraqi and Serbian aircraft, but it happened because of the large numerical superiority of NATO aircraft, AWACS aircraft and the use of outdated equipment used by the Air Force of Serbia and Iraq. The only type missiles with ranges of 180 km is the missile launch Phoenix, taken from the U.S. Air Force weapons and that's the whole secret of success. U.S. Air Force has never fought with an equal opponent.
@packr72 i think the whole idea of calling the f22 a 5th gen is stupid, it's not vastly superior than the 4th gen, planes are only good for one thing, bombing and shooting down other aircraft, and since the only enemy the US are fighting are poor and don't even have air-crafts, it's pretty useless, gunships are way more effective when it comes to warfare.
@blodstainer the f22 is vastly superior to 4th gen fighters and what if god forbid we go to war with a country with a modern airforce, the f22 will pay dividens
@packr72 the main reason is stealth... BUT listen, 4th gen aren't slower, and they don't got less firepower and MOST OF THEM can detect stealth, hell the Swedish JAS got the Blackbird in missile lock, and it's considered a 4th Gen, what I'm saying is Stealth is unnecessary in such battles, in the end it's still about the pilot and how quickly he can get his lock on and fire. The thing is that 4th gen are still fast and pack the same firepower = same destrucion
@blodstainer the blackbird wasn't really a stealth plane, it was a spy plane built to fly at the edge of the atmosphere out of range of ground radar and SAMs. yes you can detect stealth, but not at long to even medium ranges, the f22 can aquire targets at 150 miles and prepare a missile lock at about 120 miles with the new aim120d missile, and its not just stealth, the f22 has advanced engines capable of supercruise, the f22 can see first,shoot first and kill first
@packr72 not true, there are many different ways of getting missle locks, infrared, heat, etc etc. Stealth technique isn't new, it's older than the pc and there are many ways of counter it. Just as the SR-71 relied on altitude and speed, the F-22 relies on stealth
@blodstainer infared requires close range attack, mainly heat seeking missiles, like the aim9 sidewinder, and thanks to the raptors thrust vectoring engines, it gives away very little heat signature, many ways to counter stealth, sure that's why only one stealth aircarft has every been lost to enemy fire, and it was a bomber
@packr72 Thrust vectors doesn't stop, heat signature, it makes it hard, but not impossible to track, and there are ways to shoot down f-22, trust me, just look at emp guns, they can't operate without electricity. The thing is, aircrafts and gunships are highely evolved due to the fact that they are very efficiant against the type of enemy the US are fighting now, but they FAR from unbeatable, and they aren't vastly superior to anti aircraft guns other rich countries in Eu and asia have.
@blodstainer emp guns? dude are you stoned, those like rail guns are far from every reaching a battlefield, and i never said that thrust vectoring elimantes heat signiture, it just lessens it. anti aircraft guns are really only effective at low altitudes used to help defend against helicopters and as a screen for sams which are vulnerable at low altitudes
@packr72 EMP and rail guns aren't the same, I dont' know much 'bout rail guns but you try make f-22 sound like a "perfect" aircraft which can outsmart, outgun and outrun anything else in the entire world. And they'd still have a hard time in a airfight against a JAS or PAK, and frankly if there was a big war between a country equal US, than they would simply nuke your aircraft stations
@blodstainer well once again i never said emp and rail guns were the same, but they are so called advanced super weapons that are really just pipe dreams at this moment, but the f22 is the best air dominance fighter in the world, and will be for the for see able future
@packr72 and i say that that EMP guns was tested in the 60th, and the F-22 costs too much and against a bunch of other planes for the same price they would be outmatched. and against anti-aircraft weapons it doesnt' stand a chance
@packr72 holy shit your ignorant! have you head of the ols radar a heat signature censer that makes the f22 stealth capabilities crap. look im not here to shit talk but the pak fa is cheaper, better agility, better radars, bigger missile bay, longer rang, has thrust vectoring....fuck the su 35 is better! stop being so dam ignorant!
@humanequilibrium really better radar, well the t50 is the first russian plane to use AESA radar, and nothing so far has proven it can defeat stealth, the f22 has thrust vectoring, 2D to limit the effectiveness of infared sensors, and the t50s engines are having major problems and with the us much higher GDP the f22 is actually incredibly cheap, suckhois are nothing even compared to legacy fighters, it;s DAMN not dam, learn how to insult people you inbred fuck
@packr72 wow you know nothing! do you realize the amount of heat that two jet engines produce? stealth is drastically limited! so when you com-pair both fighters one is superior in detection capabilities and maneuverability ( pak fa) as well as longer rang on missiles and longer flight rang. all the F-22 has on the pak fa is....hmm let me asses this correctly ....NOTHING! and the su 35 has been shooting down f-35s in simulated fight tests by the Australians ....btw im american, not inbred :}
@humanequilibrium simulated tests against the f35, well show's how much you know, the f35 isn't even combat ready and hasn't even left the us, so how could it be getting dominated by the su35, that wasn't even a simulation, it was a thinktank report created by RAND for one reason, the aussies want the f22, longer range missiles, the aim120d has a range of over 180km excedding the range of the r27 and the raptor will see the t50 first, it has more senors and overall it's stealth shape is sueprior
@packr72 But the F-22 has more advantages over PAK FA, T-50 isnt as stealthy as F-22 due to shapes and engines, T-50 cant carry as many weapons as F-22 and the T-50 isnt as agile as F-22 cause of huge body.
@F22raptor46 we dont know which is more agile since the t50 is still in testing, plus most likely the planes can handle more gs than the average pilot so agility may not be much of a deciding factor, the t50 due to 360 thrust vectoring engines makes its more vulnerable to heat seeking and infared tracking
@packr72 if to install onto F-22A AN/APG-81 then without electr warfare it can see PAK FA out to (203,5/100^(1/4))=64,35~64km..if there`re hindrances then AN/APG-81 can see PAK FA out to ONLY(203,5/100^(1/2))=20,35km..as for PAK FA-if there are NO hindrances then IRBIS-E can see F-22A out to (450/300^(1/4))=108.1 km..having EW against IRBIS-E can see F-22A out to only (450/300^(1/2))=25,98~26 km...but anyway each of them can effectively launch the missles only out to 30-50 km.
@Wickedsicked8 That is nothing more than conjecture on your part. The maneuverability of the PAK FA has yet to be proven. I can tell you this though, the sides of the F-22 have less than 0.01sq m Radar Cross-Section(RCS), there are no surfaces which could reflect back radar waves. The minimum edges that do exist have been coated with multiple layers of RAM. Unfortunately the story is not so rosy for the PAK FA. With the protruding engines, side RCS reaches as high as 1.0.
@philonetic Russians unfortunately haven't thought about their own IR signature AT ALL. The nozzles are the same nozzles used on the AL-31F engines. When the PAK FA hits its afterburners it can be seen from a distance by the naked eye and can not only be tracked by IR from long range, but can also be easily targeted from the ground. The F-22 is tuned for stealth specifically against targets like the PAK FA.
@Wickedsicked8 The rear of an aircraft is where the fun lies. The PAK FA's most outstanding feature is it's IR search and tracking system. A stealth aircraft might be invisible to the radar at long distances, but it can't escape the close range IR seeker. Americans have thought about it already. F-22's nozzles are shaped in such a way that not only does it reduce the chances of radar detection but also allows mixing of cold air which cools the exhaust air lowering IR signature.
Respond to this video... continued and if there is a radar that can detect stealth, why aren't they selling like hot cakes, the fact is that the raptor is far superior than the t50, the raptor's rcs is .04m, while the t50 is 3m that's even higher than the f117 nighthawk, the raptor can aquire over 100 targets and can act as a mini AWACS
@packr72 did you read what i wrote?? or did you just skip it because it blew your argument out of the water! you realize that the f22 and pak fa produce a really big heat signature ? stealth is drastically limited by heat! ..like really really limited....i think i should through another really in there...STEALTH is really really REALLY limited by heat! did you hear me this time? so when you close the gap in distance, a fighter jet with better radar and agility would dominate!
@humanequilibrium and if you read my first post you would've seen that the f22 2d thrust vectroing engines are designed to limit IR signiture, the f22 ir signiture is almost non existent, and besides IR radar is limited by range, 20 miles at best
@packr72 ok im sorry i feel like a teenage arguing about something that is clearly irrelevant :) have a great day! thepak t-50 and F-22 are modern day Marvell's ....by now!
You are full of shit. The 120D has a range of 80km...100 less than what you claim. Google The DEW Line and you will see the PAKs engines are coming along nicely. Su-35s are using AESA radars now. Suckhois? LOL If the F-22 is so great come come they are continually grounded...most recently for like, 4 months. Thats not a quality aircraft. Plus there is rust/corrosion issues, problems with rain etc etc
@Internetbutthurt PS-Su35S does not have an AESA radar, its a PESA with AESA like properties.
-Irbis-E is an advanced multi-mode passive electronically scanned array radar system developed by Tikhomirov NIIP for the Su-35BM multi-purpose fighter aircraft. NIIP developed the new radar based on the Bars radar system provided to Su-30MKI/MKM/MKA aircraft.-
f-22 win because americans are best make fighter jets but russians can't make fighter jets like usa ! usa technology is more more higher than russian technology!
russians make good air defence systems like s-500 s-400
superman6327 2 hours ago
pointing out a winner would be rather pointless for me.I'm thinking about waiting until the T-50 enters service...
gtamodman122 1 month ago
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Vann7 1 month ago
F22 has it in maneuverability... just... dont see the T50 skidding around quite like the 22, but im sure the T50 will be an awesome combat machine.
willbertdsgc 1 month ago
@willbertdsgc aerodinamics of PAK FA is much better than Su-35C (SU-37)...as soon as PAK FA will pass all tests it can be used over 5G...then we look through how much maneuvrable it can be.
dobrovolets777 4 weeks ago
Unlike the F-22, which uses stealth technology, 85 percent of the surface of Russian T-50 is covered with unique nanotechnological materials that decrease both the visibility of the plane and the air drag. The technical specifications of the missiles for the jet exceed the analogues of the US aircraft. In addition, the T-50 can fire the missiles hidden in internal departments at hypersonic speed. The US fifth-generation aircraft can not do this and has to decelerate for the purpose.
Omar142118 1 month ago
The Russian fifth-generation aircraft can be compared to the USA's F-22.
"One may say that the T-50 exceeds the foreign analogues on certain specifications, the maneuverability, first and foremost. The artificial intellect system will also surprise the competitors,"
Omar142118 1 month ago
If you want to see facts about the T-50 please read this:
1) he official press release says that the T-50 will combine the functions of the assault aircraft and fighter jet. The aircraft is equipped with a new complex of avionics which integrates the electronic function and a prospective phased-array radar. The new equipment gives the pilot an opportunity to concentrate more on the execution of combat tasks,
Omar142118 1 month ago
f-22 craptor
ReDDDgo 1 month ago
@ReDDDgo Go to HELL for that!!!!!
F22raptor46 1 month ago
@F22raptor46
Germans have started to apply the first in days of WWII radio absorbing материалв
Russian engineer Peter Ufimtsev the first has made a mathematical method of diffraction of radio-waves.
The USA it is banal have stolen it :)
ReDDDgo 1 month ago 2
@ReDDDgo First I dont think they stole it cause if that was the case then wheres the evidence, and the germans and russians would have made it first when they got the chance.
F22raptor46 1 month ago
@F22raptor46
The so-called technology a stealth is senseless in global war. The USSR understood it, therefore didn't give attention. In the USSR Peter Ufimtsev has made mathematical model of diffraction of radio-waves. Really the USSR wouldn't pay to this attention if it was so important. And today Russia does PAK-FA in a greater degree for a foreign market. Especially uses much cheaper and more effective technologies of building a stealth.
ReDDDgo 1 month ago
@ReDDDgo actually Russians invented stealth technology.. something many americans dont know .they copied the works of Peter Ufimtsev.. and developed their F117 with his discoveries. he is for nothing called the father of steath. Unfortunately Soviet Union collapsed when he was trying to get his works noticed.
Vann7 1 month ago
@Vann7 Look, Peter Ufimtsev had theories. Obviously they did not work because even Russia had to go another way and rely on planform alignment (first seen on the YF-22 and YF-23) as well as a series of other American innovations just to produce their first "semi stealth" aircraft 20 years after the US began using stealth planes in combat (F-117). Also, the SR-71 and U-2 were in service while Ufimtsev was still doing research. Davenchi theorized about airplanes, but he's not the inventor is he?
AeroSharkTech 1 month ago
@AeroSharkTech U2 -SR71 were not stealth planes their ability was to flight very fast and very high out of range of Soviets anti-air systems. Peter Ufimtsev theories DO worked. but soviets didnt though in the 60's a plane could be made with those theories. so they went safer designs. all 5th generation jets today including F22 and F35 were made thanks t his discoveries . watch on youtube the story of stealh. ( aJ98lBR9tgY ) . he also is behind of Anti-stealth radars..btw..
Vann7 4 weeks ago
@Vann7 Yes, I saw that pro Soviet propaganda. And the majority of that video is total crap . The U-2 and SR-71 were reduced cross section aircraft. They were not "stealth" but they were difficult for then modern radar to detect. The U-2 in particular did not rely on speed as it was sub sonic. The F-117 relied heavily on obtuse angles more so than Ufimtsev's shakey theories, which the majority have been debunked over the last 20 years. I can tell you Ufimtsev had 0% to contribute to the F-22.
AeroSharkTech 4 weeks ago
@AeroSharkTech Dude watch the video again.. the CIA guy ,he himself told the Ufimtsev works STILL are used as the base for their next generation stealth planes. you don't reinvent the wheel once discovered no ? Thats why stealth technonology will be sooner or later seen everywhere ,just like nuclear reactors ,since the core science is not secret. He gave lectures everywhere . all stealth planes F22/F35 and others are based on his revolutionary discoveries in the early 60's .
Vann7 4 weeks ago
@AeroSharkTech second reply. all said.Americans deserve the credit to be first to develop stealth planes using Ufimtsev's theories , but since he gave the science to the whole scientific community sooner or later everyone will have it too. Even Iranians and chinesse have now stealth planes. There are different sciences for stealth however that scientist are working. Russians are now working on the next big thing. stealth plasma planes but thats decades away in the future.
Vann7 4 weeks ago
@F22raptor46 Germany applied radio absorbing materials in days of WWII to periscopes of submarines. Go to school, the ignoramus. Your illiteracy is tiresome
ReDDDgo 1 month ago 4
@ReDDDgo You read the specs and then let me know cause i have, and if i was illiterate i wouldn't be typing like this. I have read the specs of both the planes, and i know what there capabilities are.
F22raptor46 1 month ago
It's really sad people don't know their history truth is Russia can't touch the U.S they are scared lil bitches, we rule the Sky's and the seas, how about we just send a B-2 bomber over there and fuck all yall up simple as that, don't forget who drop the first atomic weapon, not one but two, for fuck sake's man the U.S is a Military Country we have weapons that our own people don't even know about, fuck a russia and their bull shit planes that always have flaws plus our pilots are way better
KINGPACER 1 month ago
@KINGPACER LOL))) BUTTHEART DETECTED )))
Anteus007 1 month ago
Come on guys you must not know your history, The russian migs were better than the F-4 Phantom and still got there ass kicked lol because we have way better pilots, there is always a flaw in russian jets, what makes you think a 200 million dollar f-22 can't beat some peice of shit scarp metal from russia? The U.S makes way better jets than russia. We flew over russia air space with out SR 71 Blackbird and russia couldn't even shoot it down lmao and that was in the 60's it's 2012 now good luck
KINGPACER 1 month ago
Raptor suck anyway, Black Widow II was better
masses686 1 month ago
@masses686 But more expensive and less agile than raptor.
F22raptor46 1 month ago
The instantaneous turn rate of the Raptor is astonishing but I think when the Ruskies finally start putting their bird through its paces, it will surpass even the Raptor. If the stealth is working as it's designed to then medium to long range is rarely going to happen and probably only visual encounters will occur leaving the most agile victorious. Whatever Russia is doing they certainly are now building beautiful fighters and that all started with the Fulcrum in my opinion.
mustanglead 1 month ago
Sad to say, but the end of piloted fighter aircraft is coming to a close because of drone technology with hypersonic stealth. Scamjet speeds to Mach 7 and G-forces the human body can never endure are making this the last days of the "Gunfighter" ...
Wildkkat1 1 month ago
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agapitov 2 months ago
the su-50 PAK FA is SUPER STEALTH and the f-22 is just stealth :) russia just past the U.S by a little notice i didn't america lyk most people say it its because america is not the U.S, u.s is in america and north ameica just like canada learn get use to sayin US not america :)
jorge227able1 2 months ago
@jorge227able1 Ehhhh... got it backwards there. Raptor is focused on extreme stealth and strong agility, PAK is focused on strong stealth and extreme agility. Raptor has the edge at long range, but the PAK will outmaneuver the Raptor in a close range dogfight... which is likely to be the battlefield for future stealth fighters. Though, pilot ability will be a huge factor. Russia has passed us up a bit, I agree. But enjoy that while you can, we'll catch back up once we fix our country! :P
Ariana321 2 months ago
@Ariana321 Well to fix your country the first it need to do is focus on school and not military stuff like the U.S wastes more than a million of $ for each pilot to be trained now how much do they use on school make calculations second it is true what ur saying about agility and yea but who knows probably this time the U.S will accept that they didn't really touch the moon any ways the technology of russia in any concept is a decade is ahead of the U.S
jorge227able1 2 months ago
@jorge227able1 You are out of touch. Get your facts straight. On the Moon, no question about it. Yes we have school problems but but we spend more on students than anybody. I think more of an attitude proble with our students. Our left wingers are more into entitlements and free ride attitudes.
tophiloliver 1 month ago
@Ariana321 Wrong again.
tophiloliver 1 month ago
In our days kings of the sky is SU-35 and MiG-35\OVT, in next 50 years king of the sky should be T-50. But in this video T-50 flying like A-380 because it first flights and all skills are not showed.
Kostet91 2 months ago
The Raptor is the king of the sky for the next 50 yrs............raptor rules.
a2004togia 2 months ago
raptor is beautiful!
kolombi4 2 months ago
Raptor rules all manned aircraft and x47b rules all aircraft..
ClarksonsinUSA 3 months ago
russia!
erickardito10 3 months ago
@erickardito10 Glory to RUSSIA!!!
MaoistLeninistMarx 2 months ago
@MaoistLeninistMarx
Glory to RUSSIAA!!
erickardito10 2 months ago
Just another peice of Russian shit! The video clips of the aerial display on the T-50 was very shitty. The F-22 rules! You guys who are making so much claim to your experience on the technical side of this arguement are just a bunch of no pussy getting closet fags. Stop trying to sound so smart when you are sitting in your mom, or mum's basement with a thumb tucked up your cherry ass. Tuck your legs behind your head, and suck your own dicks! Suck a fart out of my ass!
mrjoeleo1977 3 months ago
"Firefox" - ????
hussur 3 months ago 2
@hussur I know that's not the real name (doesnt have one) and it doesnt work with the way NATO names fighters but I thought it sounded cool and mysterious like the PAK FA
GOAF2014 3 months ago
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@GOAF2014 So the next version of Firefox should be called PAK FA? =)
agapitov 2 months ago
For Christ sakes! How much US Tech must Russia and China copy?
WakeUpDummies 3 months ago
F-22A Raptor is a joke hes topsecretpaint kant stand rain lolz... .50kailber kan shoot it down lolz krap and yes 356Milijon dollar for one and now teh stopt the production f22 is no danger at all for non of the worlds airforces XD
KRAJISNIK21 3 months ago
@KRAJISNIK21 despite your stupid spelling i agree its only just really started to come around and its already outdated
XP3RIAN 2 months ago
Buncha moronic "aeronautical engineers" wannabes on this video as well. When will those imbeciles understand?
The PAK FA T-50 prototype cannot be compared to the F-22 Raptor.
IauthenticI 4 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=XyIrdrBmZtU
buddacafe 4 months ago
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US F-22 Pilot: Sweet my plane is best in world and super stealth, let's fly over Russia, their SU-PAK FA and S-400 will never detect my plane HHHAAHHHAA. WARNING!!!!!
INCOMING MISSILE!!!!!!! DANGER!!!!!!!!! INCOMING MISSILE!!!!!!!! DANGER!!!
US F-22 Pilot: Shit. and BBBOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMPPPPHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
019Srb 4 months ago
Russians make the best weapons!!!
pycckiey 4 months ago
well, i say the american plane looks nicer then the russian. However, I dont know which one will preform better.
MrBat000 5 months ago
se nota que los rusos le copiaron el modelo del f-22 a los gringos para moldear su avion pak fa.....
jordan42662 5 months ago
i will take an sr71 leave you all behind
animalcorvair 5 months ago
I keep hearing about this T50 look you could put in f 14 tomcat in the air and the us would take down most of these other countries planes because of our pilots! So you can have a very fast car but if you don't know how to drive it then ur most likely going to end up wrecking it. We have great pilots and I don't think no country will be bringing down an f 22, truth is you could fly that thing to the moon and back and still kick ass lol
KINGPACER 5 months ago
Once we came out with the Raptor it was over with for any country trying to get in the air and win a battle. I mean the F15 eagle is one bad ass plane but it's old now and time has finally got to it. Hence why we made the raptor by far the best jet in the air, I mean who would be crazy enough to get in the air and take on a raptor I recall hearing 2 raptors take out 15 f 15's and the pilots of the f 15's said they never even seen it coming, trust that this plane will insure us victory everytime
KINGPACER 5 months ago
@KINGPACER Yes. But F-15 have only x-diapason radar. Russian Su-35 and T-50 (Su-51/55 - not oficial) have x+l -diapason radar. It`s mean that they see stealth. Sorry, my English is not good )))
Anteus007 1 month ago
@Anteus007 Your English is fine. I don't think your facts are.The F-15 is Generation 3, partial stealth like everyone elses latest generation. No one has seen Raptor stealth on radar. . It's only at risk when seen visually. I have seen the raptor do it's routine and it is incredible. I guess we will wait and see about Su-35. Regards
tophiloliver 1 month ago
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Anteus007 1 month ago
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@tophiloliver You wrong in the begining. First - F-15 is Generation 4 actualy. Second - you know what is X-diaposon / L-diaposon ??? Google it. In L-diapason Raptor can bee seen. PAK FA have a new combination radar X+L-diapason (it`s like DVD/CD-RW). USA has no such radars.
Anteus007 1 month ago
@Anteus007 Not necessarily, longwave L band radars which can 'see stealth' are very inaccurate so it is very unlikely that they would track something like an F-22.
Hello6761 1 month ago
@Hello6761 OK. How I said - my English is not good. I can`t explain details (what I mean). But in Goggle many diferent information for that question.
Anteus007 1 month ago
@Hello6761 Or, if you speack russian, I with pleasure will explain what i mean.
Anteus007 1 month ago
ya'll are a bunch of fucking nerds for arguing on youtube over a bunch of jets anyhow... get a fucking job pussies!
clutchpimp 5 months ago
F-35+F-22=America #1 World Power
addiction2bowhunting 5 months ago
Author of this vid is probably retarded..F22 is incompetent to contend with PAK50
DirtyThing20 6 months ago
@DirtyThing20 Once again I see you're making comments on something that you know little about.
TheTequilaShooter 5 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter once again, you are nothing to even respond to me..and such uneducated persons shouldn`t teach when they are retard themselves...U can`t even teach 1st grade kids, just because these kids would grow retards like you. Gl moron :D ...Owned.
DirtyThing20 5 months ago
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@DirtyThing20 Instead of making stupid-ass comments yourself, educate us all, and tell us why you believe "Author of this vid is probably retarded..F22 is incompetent to contend with PAK50". If you can't back up what you say with proof then STFU.
TheTequilaShooter 5 months ago
guys relax, russia and china are wasting their money when drone technology is the future. we have stealth drones and now they have their first "stealth" planes. we started developing the F-117 in the 70s. now they have stealth. america wins again.
chillaxer1993 6 months ago
I'd say out of all the stealth fighters today,(comparing China's and Russia's)the F-22 is the most awesome looking of them all, as if they had an artist do this. I wouldn't know much about the specifications of it or of the other aircraft nor do anyone else in youtube know actual information. So fighting over who would beat who is just stupid. Enjoy mankind's masterpiece's, with the demonstration's of these aircraft we know the future is going to have some cool technology.
jarhead1145 6 months ago
@clutchpimp do some research yourself before you criticize others on a lack of knowledge. This is very basic knowledge for any fighter aviation buff, and especially for someone who's been around fighters and those associated with them for years
GOAF2014 6 months ago
the T-50 doesn't have thrust vectoring.... a clear disadvantage over the F-22. doesn't appear to be as fast either. no wonder it costs less!
clutchpimp 6 months ago
it has taken the americans 5 generations to get a plane to do the cobra maneouver
JFMUFC26 6 months ago
@JFMUFC26 An airshow maneuver useless in combat. Also, it took 4 generations as the F-15 ACTIVE/MTD and F/A-18 HARV HARV performed the manuever.
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@GOAF2014 cobra maneouver is combat maneouver like culbit , learn more about aviation and have objective opinion ;)
3dimon3 4 months ago
@3dimon3 While I'm not a pilot, I have read what many have had to say about the cobra. When dogfighting it is not a wise move to bleed energy, which is exactly what the cobra does. The fighter tries to keep their energy by doing rolls and so forth. Plus, with today's off-sight weapons, it's not necessary to point your nose upward to get a shot. I have read GOAF's prior posts, and he seems objective to me. Is there something in particular that you don't agree with?
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter that posts is from yours , western pilots , becouse they cant do this moves , i cant explane because of my bad english sorry ;)
3dimon3 4 months ago
@3dimon3 The F-22 can do the cobra no sweat, and its pilots will tell you that its not smart because of the loss of energy. In other words, when you pull your nose updward you instantly lose speed (energy), and you're a sitting duck.
No worries about your English. You give it your best shot and that's all that matters.
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter cobra move , when you have enemy on your tale , and dop cobra plane stands on one plase and not see on radars for seconds
3dimon3 4 months ago
@3dimon3 You don't think the US pilots practice against that with the F-22's acting as bait? Dude, the last thing you want to do is stop all your energy because you become an easy target. Speed and energy keep you alive.
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter that way think when create planes 3 rd generation ;)
3dimon3 4 months ago
@3dimon3 Nah, it also applies to aircraft today; although, high off-boresight missiles are a game changer.
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@3dimon3 Did you get my link that I sent to your Channel page because the comment disappeared?
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter look in my fave videos suckhoi development from first part , its on english ;)
3dimon3 4 months ago
@3dimon3 I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time understanding you. I think we've beat this topic to death, anyway. C ya.
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@3dimon3 I just watched the video. It mentions nothing about the cobra or its usefulness to support your opinion. As I mentioned earlier, you'll find that fighter pilots believe the best way to stay alive to to keep your energy up by not performing bleeding manuevers like the dobra. All it does is slow you you down, which makes an easy target.
TheTequilaShooter 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter stay with your opinion ;)
3dimon3 4 months ago
@TheTequilaShooter look all that film from 1 to 8
3dimon3 4 months ago
@JFMUFC26 an f16 can perform the cobra manuever, which btw is a combat situation is uterly useless and will get pilots killed, you dont need thrust vectoring, you do have to burn speed though
packr72 5 months ago
F-22 can also do a cobra maneuver
tubernery 6 months ago
German Lippisch P13a Supersonic Ramjet Fighter footage WW2
YUSKHAN 6 months ago
since when is the T-50 nicknamed the firefox? lol
ForgotteMemories101 6 months ago
that be cool if the actually dogfight no missiles gun only
tylepo123456789 6 months ago
F-22 remains the dominant 5th gen fighter, and realistically the only fifth gen fighter in production for that matter, because it's so damned expensive nobody else can afford to develop/produce one. Heck, we couldn't even afford to produce and develop it, we just did it anyway.
1978BHO 6 months ago
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This pice of shit are the worst plane ever made in the planet earth!F22 CRAPTOR misses the mark from the very beginning of his production, just a waste of money and nothing else, let alone the superior fighter! Here are a few days ago the USAF announced that all copies of F22 unusable due to problems in electrical installations, supply of oxygen in the cabin and the biggest problem CORROSION !!!!!!! If you do not believe me go to the official site and check! This shit is PAK FA destryer HAHHAA!!
019Srb 6 months ago
@1978BHO
the F-22 is no longer in production and production has been cancelled a good while already.
Suyamu 6 months ago
@Suyamu Her production has been cancelled but there are still F-22A's coming off the assembly line. I believe there 7~9 ordered F-22As that havent been delievered yet. Just an FYI
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@1978BHO - you're an idiot. the F-22 was designed and built by an Australian company Lockheed Martin. the U.S. secured the contract for the Raptor but it was not designed nor built by us.
clutchpimp 6 months ago
@clutchpimp
Where do we find these people? Lockheed Martin is an Australian company? Are you just trolling or are you so ignorant that you actually believe this? Two of the three American companies which merged to form Lockheed Martin, those two would be Lockheed and Martin Aircraft, are literally legendary American warplane manufacturers since long before World War 2. Australian? If you don't know what you are talking about why waste the bandwidth and my time?
1978BHO 6 months ago 10
@clutchpimp Are you fucking stupid? Lockheed Martin is American you noob!
buddacafe 5 months ago
@Cubitascubano of weapons technology. F-22A Raptor, 1st active 5th Gen fighter!!!
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano back on US Military hardware. P-51 arguably the best plane in WWII, the USS Nautilus 1st nuclear powered vessel and 1st nuclear powerd sub, USS George Washington, 1st sub capable of launching a SLB from under water, AIM-4 Falcon, 1st radar and infrared guided missile, Hiroshima 1st and only use of nuke in war, D-Day, largest sea invasion in history, B-2 1st large stealth bomber, F-14 and F-15 1st Gen 4 fighters, and many many many more!!! The US is ALWAYS on the forefront
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@GOAF2014 actually we bombed nagasaki as well as hiroshima with nuclear warheads.
flamoclanlead 6 months ago
@flamoclanlead I thought I had put that in. Oh ok I meant to just put the 1st use. I know we bombed Nagasaki too, I know military history. Thank's for paying attention
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano Thrust Vectoring fighters (X-31, F/A-18 HARV, F-16 VISTA & F-15 ACTIVE/,MTV) heat seeking and radar guided missiles. Russia didnt get there missiles until after a Taiwanese AIM-9B hit a Chinese Communist MiG-17 without exploding, the missile lodging itself in the airframe of the MiG after which the pilot was able to bring both plane and missile back to base. The result, K-13/R-3S missile (NATO reporting name AA-2 'Atoll'), a reverse-engineered copy of the Sidewinder. Lets look
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@GOAF2014 - actually the only fighters in existence with thrust vectoring technology are the F-22 and the F-35 JSF. The russian MiG was a way better jet than anything the world had until the birth of the F-15. until that time the US didn't care about speed and maneuverability in the air they only cared about firepower but as we were getting completely dominated we needed a faster and more agile fighter. you should read up on these things that you argue about more!
clutchpimp 6 months ago
@clutchpimp Thrust Vectoring Fighters
F-22, F-35B, Harrier, Su-30MKI, Su-35S, PAK FA T-50, MiG-35, YAK 141.
The MiG before the F-15 was the MiG-25 and it was a peice of junk. The Eagle came along to beat it and then Russia responded with the MiG-29 and Su-27. Also, before the F-15, firepower played 2nd fiddle to speed. This is apperent in the Century Series of fighters. Not until the F-4 did firepower come into the equation, and even then manueverability wasn't on the board. You should
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@GOAF2014 ...you have not to compare mig 25 ti f15 . the mig 25 is a recognition and interceptor jet who was the response to the XB70 VALKYRIE,now it's replaced by the powerfull mig 31 , the f15 is for air superiority who came 8 years after(64-72) , it's not the same thing . the mig 29 was the response to f16 and f 18, the first fly of the su 27 was in 1977 also commissioned in 1985. so that lead to say the f15 was with no real challenger during 13 years since it was commissioned .
DragonlordXV 5 months ago
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DragonlordXV 5 months ago
@Cubitascubano name, ranks and unit. Ill find him and we'll settle this entire ordeal. Oh and btw, incase you didnt know, the Soviet Union DOES NOT EXSIST ANYMORE MORON! The Soviet Army was the largest group of mass murderes in history, The USSR under Stalin killed more Russians than the Red Army killed Nazis. The US since WWII has ALWAYS been at the forefront of weapons tech. Launchable ICBMs from underwater, superconic aircraft, supersonic fighters, thrust vectoring (we invented it), TVC fight
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano On what planet are you living on? Ive been to various military bases (living there) and Ive seen countless units got o war and its done with gusto and enthusism. They aren't happy but they are pumped up and ready for anything. We are talking about a force that downed the 3rd largest army on earth in a week. The US Military surpasses every military on earth. We Are The Force To be Reckoned With!!! Also, as for your father, if he's really a Raptor pilot as you say, then tell me his
GOAF2014 6 months ago
Fights between the F-22A and the PAK-FA will be close, high, fast and lethal. The F-22A may get ‘first look’ with the APG-77, the Advanced Infra Red Search and Track (AIRST) sensor having been deleted to save money, but the PAK-FA may get ‘first look’ using its advanced infrared sensor.The outcome will be difficult to predict as it will depend a lot on the combat skills of the pilots and the capabilities of the missiles for end-game kills. There is no guarantee for an F22 first kill
Phuzekhemisi 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano You mean him. And yes I am. Never find him, psh another way of saying he doesnt exsist. The only people I cant find are Spec Ops and the dead
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano you are so full of BS its sad. I still want his info so I can contact him?
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano Let's just say I know a few Raptor pilots and anyone with common sense knows your BSing. I still want you father's info so I cant find him
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano 4th, the Raptor is easy to fly in a dogfight. Its massive flight surfaces and the moveable distance they exibit along with refigned aerodynamics and thrust vectoring allows the Raptor to out-turn nearly everything else out there. All of this stuff is easily found online, extremely basic research. i mean a 1st grader would know this stuff. 4000ft, hard to turn in a dogfight, psh! Man you made me laugh!
GOAF2014 6 months ago
@Cubitascubano WOW youre full of shit!! 1st off the F-22 has been around for an entire decade before PAK FA. The YF-22 prototype flew in 1990, PAK FA T-50 had her 1st flight in 2010. Thats a 20 year difeerence. 2nd off, i doubt yourfather flies the Raptor. If Im wrong, give me his name, rank and unit and Ill look him up. 3rd, whatever moron told you the Raptor flies at 4000ft needs to be beaten senseless along with yourself. The Raptor flies at above 50,000 ft, possibly 65,000+ ft like the F-15.
GOAF2014 6 months ago
Russian PAK FA realy better
750Vlad 6 months ago
@750Vlad really a prototype that has taken off and landed is better than a 5th gen fighter in use since 2005, sure troll, the t50 doesnt even have 5th gen engines yet, they are still developing them and there is no guarentee they will be built, the raptor is yrs ahead on development and pilot training, when the t50 becomes operation in 2015 if the russians are lucky, it will not yet be able to contend with even legacy fighters for many months why problems are worked out, think before you speak
packr72 5 months ago 10
@packr72 I will answer you on this, the PAK FA was developed primarily as a murderer of F-22. Weapons designed for a long time ago, in the inner compartments for a 10 suspension points. In addition to a 2 outer hangers-range ultra-2 missiles to destroy aircraft such as AWACS. Given that the new engines will be developed for him in 2013, as well as maneuverability PAK-FA, the presence of optical-radar stations which have no F-22 and the visibility the same as in the F-22 in combat chances no F-22
750Vlad 5 months ago
@750Vlad the f22 is far more stealth, even the f35 is more stealth than the t50, the russians may say it can take on a raptor, good luck, usaf pilots get 200 flight hrs per yr, while russian pilots get about 60, the raptors aim120d are the best bvr missile around and the f22 raptor has supermanueverablity, your statements are foolish
packr72 5 months ago
@packr72 Your arguments are no less stupid missiles you are talking about are not the best long and not so good they are, as noted above all your experts. Missile launches on stelssamoletam at long distances is not effective. Given that the maneuverability of American fighters are always inferior to the Soviet and Russian, the chances of a melee in the F-22 is not enough. Your arguments are not only not
750Vlad 5 months ago
@750Vlad Progress your argument is typical of the arrogant American or European. The reasoning I have seen in the past about the quality of the SU-27 and F-15. However, when Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia in 1993, conducted training battles between the Russian pilots in Su-27 and U.S. on F-15, the results were not in favor of the Americans 8:1
750Vlad 5 months ago
@750Vlad yeah russian planes are more manueverable, that's why the f15 made a career out of shooting down migs in dogfights, bvr missiles aren't effective huh. thats why 2/3 of all aerial kills in desert storm were made with the old aim7 sparrow, and the older amraams have performed well at long range, the d has a range of 180km, excedding the best russian air to air missile in range, and has a speed of mach4.5 also excedding its russian counterpart, and anti radiation missiles
packr72 5 months ago
@packr72 Yes, really brought down the Iraqi and Serbian aircraft, but it happened because of the large numerical superiority of NATO aircraft, AWACS aircraft and the use of outdated equipment used by the Air Force of Serbia and Iraq. The only type missiles with ranges of 180 km is the missile launch Phoenix, taken from the U.S. Air Force weapons and that's the whole secret of success. U.S. Air Force has never fought with an equal opponent.
750Vlad 5 months ago
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@packr72 Yes, really brought down the Iraqi and Serbian aircraft, but it happened because of the large numerical superiority of NATO aircraft, AWACS aircraft and the use of outdated equipment used by the Air Force of Serbia and Iraq. The only type missiles with ranges of 180 km is the missile launch Phoenix, taken from the U.S. Air Force weapons and that's the whole secret of success. U.S. Air Force has never fought with an equal opponent.
750Vlad 5 months ago
Respond to this video... continued are useless against fast moving targets, the raptor will see the t50 first, shoot first, and kill first
packr72 5 months ago
@packr72 i think the whole idea of calling the f22 a 5th gen is stupid, it's not vastly superior than the 4th gen, planes are only good for one thing, bombing and shooting down other aircraft, and since the only enemy the US are fighting are poor and don't even have air-crafts, it's pretty useless, gunships are way more effective when it comes to warfare.
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer the f22 is vastly superior to 4th gen fighters and what if god forbid we go to war with a country with a modern airforce, the f22 will pay dividens
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 the main reason is stealth... BUT listen, 4th gen aren't slower, and they don't got less firepower and MOST OF THEM can detect stealth, hell the Swedish JAS got the Blackbird in missile lock, and it's considered a 4th Gen, what I'm saying is Stealth is unnecessary in such battles, in the end it's still about the pilot and how quickly he can get his lock on and fire. The thing is that 4th gen are still fast and pack the same firepower = same destrucion
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer the blackbird wasn't really a stealth plane, it was a spy plane built to fly at the edge of the atmosphere out of range of ground radar and SAMs. yes you can detect stealth, but not at long to even medium ranges, the f22 can aquire targets at 150 miles and prepare a missile lock at about 120 miles with the new aim120d missile, and its not just stealth, the f22 has advanced engines capable of supercruise, the f22 can see first,shoot first and kill first
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 there are stationary anti aircrafts that can put locks on crafts at over 150 miles
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer those require radar locks, guess what you can't get a long range radar lock when going up against stealth planes,
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 not true, there are many different ways of getting missle locks, infrared, heat, etc etc. Stealth technique isn't new, it's older than the pc and there are many ways of counter it. Just as the SR-71 relied on altitude and speed, the F-22 relies on stealth
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer infared requires close range attack, mainly heat seeking missiles, like the aim9 sidewinder, and thanks to the raptors thrust vectoring engines, it gives away very little heat signature, many ways to counter stealth, sure that's why only one stealth aircarft has every been lost to enemy fire, and it was a bomber
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 Thrust vectors doesn't stop, heat signature, it makes it hard, but not impossible to track, and there are ways to shoot down f-22, trust me, just look at emp guns, they can't operate without electricity. The thing is, aircrafts and gunships are highely evolved due to the fact that they are very efficiant against the type of enemy the US are fighting now, but they FAR from unbeatable, and they aren't vastly superior to anti aircraft guns other rich countries in Eu and asia have.
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer emp guns? dude are you stoned, those like rail guns are far from every reaching a battlefield, and i never said that thrust vectoring elimantes heat signiture, it just lessens it. anti aircraft guns are really only effective at low altitudes used to help defend against helicopters and as a screen for sams which are vulnerable at low altitudes
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 EMP and rail guns aren't the same, I dont' know much 'bout rail guns but you try make f-22 sound like a "perfect" aircraft which can outsmart, outgun and outrun anything else in the entire world. And they'd still have a hard time in a airfight against a JAS or PAK, and frankly if there was a big war between a country equal US, than they would simply nuke your aircraft stations
blodstainer 4 months ago
@blodstainer well once again i never said emp and rail guns were the same, but they are so called advanced super weapons that are really just pipe dreams at this moment, but the f22 is the best air dominance fighter in the world, and will be for the for see able future
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 and i say that that EMP guns was tested in the 60th, and the F-22 costs too much and against a bunch of other planes for the same price they would be outmatched. and against anti-aircraft weapons it doesnt' stand a chance
blodstainer 4 months ago
@packr72 holy shit your ignorant! have you head of the ols radar a heat signature censer that makes the f22 stealth capabilities crap. look im not here to shit talk but the pak fa is cheaper, better agility, better radars, bigger missile bay, longer rang, has thrust vectoring....fuck the su 35 is better! stop being so dam ignorant!
humanequilibrium 4 months ago
@humanequilibrium really better radar, well the t50 is the first russian plane to use AESA radar, and nothing so far has proven it can defeat stealth, the f22 has thrust vectoring, 2D to limit the effectiveness of infared sensors, and the t50s engines are having major problems and with the us much higher GDP the f22 is actually incredibly cheap, suckhois are nothing even compared to legacy fighters, it;s DAMN not dam, learn how to insult people you inbred fuck
packr72 4 months ago
@packr72 wow you know nothing! do you realize the amount of heat that two jet engines produce? stealth is drastically limited! so when you com-pair both fighters one is superior in detection capabilities and maneuverability ( pak fa) as well as longer rang on missiles and longer flight rang. all the F-22 has on the pak fa is....hmm let me asses this correctly ....NOTHING! and the su 35 has been shooting down f-35s in simulated fight tests by the Australians ....btw im american, not inbred :}
humanequilibrium 4 months ago
@humanequilibrium simulated tests against the f35, well show's how much you know, the f35 isn't even combat ready and hasn't even left the us, so how could it be getting dominated by the su35, that wasn't even a simulation, it was a thinktank report created by RAND for one reason, the aussies want the f22, longer range missiles, the aim120d has a range of over 180km excedding the range of the r27 and the raptor will see the t50 first, it has more senors and overall it's stealth shape is sueprior
packr72 3 months ago 10
@packr72 But the F-22 has more advantages over PAK FA, T-50 isnt as stealthy as F-22 due to shapes and engines, T-50 cant carry as many weapons as F-22 and the T-50 isnt as agile as F-22 cause of huge body.
F22raptor46 1 month ago
@F22raptor46 we dont know which is more agile since the t50 is still in testing, plus most likely the planes can handle more gs than the average pilot so agility may not be much of a deciding factor, the t50 due to 360 thrust vectoring engines makes its more vulnerable to heat seeking and infared tracking
packr72 1 month ago
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@packr72 if to install onto F-22A AN/APG-81 then without electr warfare it can see PAK FA out to (203,5/100^(1/4))=64,35~64km..if there`re hindrances then AN/APG-81 can see PAK FA out to ONLY(203,5/100^(1/2))=20,35km..as for PAK FA-if there are NO hindrances then IRBIS-E can see F-22A out to (450/300^(1/4))=108.1 km..having EW against IRBIS-E can see F-22A out to only (450/300^(1/2))=25,98~26 km...but anyway each of them can effectively launch the missles only out to 30-50 km.
dobrovolets777 4 weeks ago
@packr72 t-50 has better vectoring and performance in most scenarios though compared to raptor
Wickedsicked8 5 days ago
@Wickedsicked8 That is nothing more than conjecture on your part. The maneuverability of the PAK FA has yet to be proven. I can tell you this though, the sides of the F-22 have less than 0.01sq m Radar Cross-Section(RCS), there are no surfaces which could reflect back radar waves. The minimum edges that do exist have been coated with multiple layers of RAM. Unfortunately the story is not so rosy for the PAK FA. With the protruding engines, side RCS reaches as high as 1.0.
philonetic 5 hours ago
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philonetic 5 hours ago
@philonetic Russians unfortunately haven't thought about their own IR signature AT ALL. The nozzles are the same nozzles used on the AL-31F engines. When the PAK FA hits its afterburners it can be seen from a distance by the naked eye and can not only be tracked by IR from long range, but can also be easily targeted from the ground. The F-22 is tuned for stealth specifically against targets like the PAK FA.
philonetic 5 hours ago
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@Wickedsicked8 The rear of an aircraft is where the fun lies. The PAK FA's most outstanding feature is it's IR search and tracking system. A stealth aircraft might be invisible to the radar at long distances, but it can't escape the close range IR seeker. Americans have thought about it already. F-22's nozzles are shaped in such a way that not only does it reduce the chances of radar detection but also allows mixing of cold air which cools the exhaust air lowering IR signature.
philonetic 5 hours ago
Respond to this video... continued and if there is a radar that can detect stealth, why aren't they selling like hot cakes, the fact is that the raptor is far superior than the t50, the raptor's rcs is .04m, while the t50 is 3m that's even higher than the f117 nighthawk, the raptor can aquire over 100 targets and can act as a mini AWACS
packr72 3 months ago
@packr72 did you read what i wrote?? or did you just skip it because it blew your argument out of the water! you realize that the f22 and pak fa produce a really big heat signature ? stealth is drastically limited by heat! ..like really really limited....i think i should through another really in there...STEALTH is really really REALLY limited by heat! did you hear me this time? so when you close the gap in distance, a fighter jet with better radar and agility would dominate!
humanequilibrium 3 months ago
@humanequilibrium and if you read my first post you would've seen that the f22 2d thrust vectroing engines are designed to limit IR signiture, the f22 ir signiture is almost non existent, and besides IR radar is limited by range, 20 miles at best
packr72 3 months ago
@packr72 ok im sorry i feel like a teenage arguing about something that is clearly irrelevant :) have a great day! thepak t-50 and F-22 are modern day Marvell's ....by now!
humanequilibrium 3 months ago
@packr72
You are full of shit. The 120D has a range of 80km...100 less than what you claim. Google The DEW Line and you will see the PAKs engines are coming along nicely. Su-35s are using AESA radars now. Suckhois? LOL If the F-22 is so great come come they are continually grounded...most recently for like, 4 months. Thats not a quality aircraft. Plus there is rust/corrosion issues, problems with rain etc etc
Internetbutthurt 3 months ago
@Internetbutthurt PS-Su35S does not have an AESA radar, its a PESA with AESA like properties.
-Irbis-E is an advanced multi-mode passive electronically scanned array radar system developed by Tikhomirov NIIP for the Su-35BM multi-purpose fighter aircraft. NIIP developed the new radar based on the Bars radar system provided to Su-30MKI/MKM/MKA aircraft.-
GOAF2014 3 months ago