I am a Muslim and I find the death penalty appalling. Allah is our judge and Allah alone.Allah will decide our punishment on judgement day, we know this.NO man has the right to judge.I am proactive as a human rights campaigner against the death penalty, Muslim or non Muslim. Please do not respond and lecture me about sharia law or any other law.
I don't like Sharia law in western countries. And R.I.P. for the woman that was executed in Virginia just because she was mentally disabled. Sharia law should not be applied in western countries.
2011 An Eritrean Christian is facing the death penalty in Saudi Arabia after being arrested for sharing his faith with Muslims.
Mussie Eyob was detained by the authorities at a mosque in Saudi’s second largest city, Jeddah, on 12 February. He had gone there to meet and talk with local Muslims after speaking about Christianity at the Eritrean Embassy for three days. Eyob was arrested for preaching to Muslims, an offence that carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia.
Asia Bibi is a wonderful hard working 45 year old Mom. Her children are in tears pleading for their Mom’s life. Her husband is working tirelessly to try to gain his wife’s freedom. Her only crime: Being a Christian in a “moderate muslim” nation of Pakistan.
A court in Saudi Arabia increased the punishment for a gang-rape victim after her lawyer won an appeal of the sentence for the rapists, the lawyer told CNN.
The 19-year-old victim was sentenced last year to 90 lashes for meeting with an unrelated male, a former friend from whom she was retrieving photographs. The seven rapists, who abducted the pair, received sentences ranging from 10 months to five years in prison.
Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
This man is so dumb it is amazing. All around the Muslim world apostates are condemned to death, and in Pakistan people are killed for criticizing Islam, actually telling the truth.
This guy is a hypocritical non thinking bigot, incredible tool for evil!
1] adultry for unmarried person is lashes 80 for male. 50 female
2] for married person death penalty. both male and female.
They say women that got raped must be stoned according to the law - This is a total LIE by media. Nowhere in sharia
They can say death penalty is wrong in any case. But logically, it reduces crime rate. Public will fear of wrongdoing. Plus all religious rules say it erases sin. Moreover, why r they so much against it if they don't intend to commit these sins?
Ah, the good ole United States of America. you like to believe you are better than other countries. you stand around with your noses in the air thinking you are morally supreme to more oppressive regimes, like Iran,hypocritical because you launched a “heavy propaganda" campaign against the case of an Iranian woman who had been sentenced to death but failing to react with outrage over the imminent execution of Lewis in Virginia
I'm against death penalty in any case, so, I would say american law and sharia law are both wrong.I do see however some kind of double satandard, when a muslim country put someones to death it has more negative reaction than when america does it (maybe that is because of 'how' it is done)...I do consider it hipocrit for a american how suports death penalty in usa to condemn a muslim country for doing it.
@Danihc2525 : ok that means I can kill as many as I want and I wont be killed at the end, sounds fair to me, I can be in prison forever , and that won't stop people from killing each other, the death penalty will stop people thinking like that from doing it at the first place, that is the idea, penalties in Islam are more for preventing people from doing the crimes, not as penalty itself, and I will think 100 times more if I knew I will be dead 3 days FOR SURE after I make my crime directly :)
@hgbtester Killing people to show to people that killing is wrong is absolutly ridiculous in my opinion.So it's ok to have penalty that goes against basic human rights just cause they are "more for preventing people from doing the crimes"?No, I don't think death penalty is a good idea, and the facts also show that death penalty DOES NOT prevent people from commiting violent crimes.
Subhana'Allah, i do agree with you on this. That's why the sharia law is so unique compared to other man made laws, that are doomed to fail. You will never find true justice elsewhere than the Sharia law, the law of Allah azza wa jall. The Creator knows his own creation more than we know ourselves, subhana'Allah. Jazaka'Allah khair for reminding us to reflect on such an important matter.
So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess."
Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. -->continue
"A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "-->continue
The prophet sws said: the pen (the pen which records all deeds which we will be held accountable for) is lifted from three people: the child before he reaches puberty, the sleeping person, and the MENTALLY DISABLED PERSON.
I hope it answered your question.
May Allah guide you, me and all those who follow in the path of righteousness until the last day.
Aslam Alikom, dear brother. all the humanity know that who build something know what it's secrets and no one else do!! ALLAH did this universe .. so obviously ALLAH knows it's secrets!! that's why Islam is the PERFECT system dealing with these situations.
the Western system uses Laws .. and we all know that if the evidence are there the rest is on the lawyers skills .. just like football game.
In contrast, Islam doesn't depend on anyone skills .. it deals with it by Quran and Sunna.
The death penalty is a barbaric practice, biblical justice based on vengeance. Most civilised societies have, quite rightly, abolished the practice.
Sharia has the most primitive and cruel examples of capital punishment. In some cases, (adultery), a thing that is not even a crime, can be punished with death by stoning. The victim of a crime can sometimes be executed, because it is very difficult to prove her innocence in the face of male biased rules on evidence.
@6Untitled9 It is not a crime to YOU. And to say it is "barbaric" is completely asinine.
Say someone broke into your house, raped your wife and children, and then killed them all. You don't think that person would deserve to die? OF COURSE NOT, so what the hell are you talking about?
@1manmafia > ["to say it is "barbaric" is completely asinine."]
No. But your suggested scenario is.
["so what the hell are you talking about?"]
I was commenting on the content of this video. I think it's barbaric to execute a person, who was not responsible for their actions due to illness. Much better to treat the illness by medication.
As for sharia, it's use of capital punishment to deal with broken relationships is completely inappropriate, a perfect example of medieval barbarism.
@6Untitled9 No, you said the death penalty is a barbaric act(which is not true). And how is my suggested scenario asinine? How is that even relevant to my point?
@6Untitled9 Yes, it happens quite often, suprisingly.
I stated that "provocative" metaphor to show you that the death penalty IS often just given the severity of the crime and the pain and suffering said crime causes. That is why I don't think it's barbaric. But again, I emphasize that not EVERY given situation is the same, so giving the death penalty to every cookie jar thief is not something I really agree with.
@6Untitled9 Oh untitled one you are confused, because we all live with the death penalty. You will not live forever, and you will not know the moment you die.
Most 'civilized' societies are in decline for many various reasons. Most of all they deny the truth, and rule by mans laws. Give it time and you will see that the Qur'an contains the truth.
It tells what was happening then, and what the signs will be as the end time approaches. I'm here to tell you that the reckoning time is soon!
@Jesus2point3 >[ "Oh untitled one you are confused, "]
Actually. I think that you're trying to muddy the waters a bit. To be clear, we're not discussing death by natural causes here, or accidental death. We're discussing the barbaric practice, of the deliberate putting to death of an offender.
I'm waiting to hear from a religious enthusiast. Their reasons for thinking that killing a perpetrator, is more civilised than the alternatives. i.e. Is not a barbaric vestige from a savage age.
@6Untitled9 We are discussing the truth. The truth is that we all must die. Nobody knows when that time will come, but come it will - and you cannot deny that reality.
What is a natural cause of death? Heart attack? Why would you spend loads of money avoiding the inevitable,when you could use the resources helping the poor?
Instead, you fear what must happen, and you are willing to go to any lengths to stop it. So what if the pharmaceutical companies make a bundle, while the poor still starve?
@6Untitled9 But my little untitled one, death is inevitable & it can't be avoided. I don't mind helping anyone, as long as i know them. In reality we should remove all patents & copyrights & trademarks too. There's no reason to have them if you're trying to help out each other.
While I've only recently recited the Shahada, that's because I've only recently discovered the signs in my life. I've known what the truth was for quite a long time, & I've voted Libertarian all of my life! Understand?
@Jesus2point3 > [ "death is inevitable & it can't be avoided."]
Yes, but that does not mean that we should not strive to preserve, prolong and improve the quality of our lives. Perhaps one day, scientists will even find a cure for old age : )
[ "......I've known what the truth was for quite a long time, & I've voted Libertarian all of my life! Understand?"]
@6Untitled9 I don't mind you doing whatever you want, as long as you do it with your own resources. Knock yourself out see if I care. I'm already having the time of my life and I'm not hurting anyone.
What more do you need?
If you don't understand why not visit one of my blogs?
But it's as simple as accepting responsibility for what you think & do.
Thinking takes place in the mind my friend,
& doing takes place in both time & space.
How many physical resources will you use to do it?
@6Untitled9 Nope. In reality you don't have to do anything but die. Not even taxes are inevitable! You make all the choices in your life. Unless you cross me. As long as you don't lie, cheat, or steal - I'm cool with you.
You got some sort of problem with me?
An eye for an eye, a life for a life,
unless I feel particularly generous at the moment.
@Jesus2point3 > [" I don't mind helping anyone, as long as i know them."]
It appears that you are lacking in empathy.
[" In reality we should remove all patents & copyrights & trademarks too." ]
In reality we have to pay our way to live. Why shouldn't the ones who exercise their talents in useful ways be rewarded for their efforts? I don't see why you think they should give away for free, what they work hard to invent. Don't you expect to be paid for your labours?
@6Untitled9 Not lacking in empathy at all. I have limited resources at my disposal, and I choose to use them wisely. Nor do I lay claim to your resources. You may do as you please, just stay out of my way if you don't want to cooperate.
In reality we think, & we do. If we think we are hungry, we must do something to fill that need.
Everyone should be responsible for meeting their own needs, both physical & conceptual. If you think there's something wrong with this world - have at it.
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Most 'civilized' societies are in decline" ]
Don't confuse evolving with declining. Most early great civilisations, were unable to change and adapt to new challenges.
Religions come and go over time and the religions we see today, are no different in that respect. Of the big three, (despite the hubristic claims of fastest growing), I'd say that Islam is the most likely to decline first, because of its seeming inability to adjust itself to the changes of the modern world.
@6Untitled9 wrong again my untitled one. Are you 69ing yourself? People are born & die, in between they live. That has never changed and never will. Time marches on, and yet this never changes. Islam is the destiny of the world, for they acknowledge the truth. If you want a world of harmony, then you must be in harmony with nature.
We are but creatures trying to survive, nothing more & nothing less. Everything else is a distraction. What do you want before you die? I have all that I need.
@Jesus2point3 > ["Understanding the truth that we are born to die,"]
How long have you been aware of that little nugget of wisdom?
Rather than statements of the blinding obvious. Don't you think that a discussion on the ethics of capital punishment would be more interesting, productive and in keeping with the topic of this video?
["But you refuse to cooperate with me. Why is that so?"]
@6Untitled9 I've been aware for quite some time. When will you begin to understand what it freakin' means?
If you'd cooperate maybe you'd start to think and then the discussion can progress.
There are no ethics to the capital punishment. If one being takes the life of another, it forfeits it's rights to it's own. What can't you understand about that simple plan?
If you don't kill anybody, don't freakin' worry about it.
@Jesus2point3 > ["There are no ethics to the capital punishment."]
There most certainly are. Consider the very many miscarriages of justice, wrongful convictions, where the innocent are needlessly executed creating double anguish for the families concerned. Further more, in the case of sharia law, death is prescribed for things that are not even crimes, such as blasphemy, apostasy and adultery.
["An eye for an eye, a life for a life,"]
Should blackmailers be blackmailed and rapists be raped?
@Jesus2point3 > ["I don't favor miscarriages of justice,"]
I'm glad to hear that. I hope you will also agree, miscarriages of justice should be rectified asap, the wrongly convicted freed and where applicable, compensated. None of this would be possible if they had been executed. A good argument against the death penalty, given the prevalence of human error and the available nonfatal alternatives.
[ "You say that blasphemy, apostasy, & adultery are not crimes." ]
@6Untitled9 I do agree with you concerning the rectifying of miscarriages & wrongly convicted people.
But that isn't a good reason to be against the death penalty. Argue with yourself all you want, but I won't conceded the point! You are under a death penalty, of which you cannot avoid!
Don't lie, cheat, or steal, and you can avoid miscarriages of justice & wrongful convictions. That's how I've done it anyway!
Given the prevalence in the error of your thought, are you ready to give up?
@Jesus2point3 > [ " I do agree with you concerning the rectifying of miscarriages" ]
Yes I know, and you also favour the death penalty. That position is untenable, because it is illogical, since either position negates the possibility of the other. Unless, you can tell us how, a person wrongly convicted and executed for a crime, could later be recompensed and set free, in the light of new exonerating evidence.
@6Untitled9 You are mistaken, now think this through. We don't capture many criminals, they just slip away in the dark. Should we not bother having a justice system because of this injustice?
And now you say we may convict an innocent person, and I would never deny that possibility. Yet, we still need to administer justice, miscarriage or not.
We are only human's you do know this don't you?
Don't worry about the details- unless it concerns you.
@Jesus2point3 > [ "we still need to administer justice"]
That's not in dispute. I'm waiting for a reasoned argument in favour of the 'Death Penalty'.
[ "miscarriage or not." ]
A miscarriage of justice is not justice, it's a travesty. Any system of justice that cannot put right it's mistakes, is not fit for purpose. This is self evident, it's almost a definition of justice.
@6Untitled9 You claim to desire a system to administer justice, and I'm telling you that the death penalty is the ultimate justice when it is administered to someone who deserves it. What is in dispute? I'm not talking about closing down a house of ill repute, for only the pimps are the criminals there. They prey on the folly of men, and the need for some women to survive.
@Jesus2point3 > [ "I'm telling you that the death penalty is the ultimate justice"]
For the last time. The 'death penalty' is a penalty, it's not the 'ultimate justice' as you say, but the ultimate, and most final penalty. Are you able to explain why you think the death penalty is morally justified, in the face of the available alternatives?
[ "when it is administered to someone who deserves it."]
So, how do you decide who deserves it? and What do you do in the event of getting it wrong?
@6Untitled9 I'm not diverting anything. I'm trying to understand your motivation.
why would you care what i think, when you don't seem to care about me?
Why do you care about a few miscarriages of justice? You don't know those people do you?
I have no interest in your personal priorities whatsoever. Do anything you want, just don't lie, cheat, or steal. In reality it's as easy as that. If you do any of those things, you'll need to be punished. I don't care if they put you to death!
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Why do you care about a few miscarriages of justice? "]
Hmm!...I think, anyone following our exchange over the past several days, would easily see, that you are either unable or unwilling to engage in focused discussion. If you were being sincere, you'd know that what you ask is part of my case against using the 'death penalty'.
I take it, that you are unable to present a coherent argument in favour of the 'death penalty'.
@6Untitled9 No my little one, your are unable to understand what I'm telling you.
You are already under a penalty of death, and only GOD knows when your time is up.
That doesn't give you the right to rush it along when it comes to my life. I'll defend it will all that I've got. If you get the better of me, well - I guess that means you win.
If I get the better of you my friend, I may just claim all of your belongings.
@Jesus2point3 > [ "just don't lie, cheat, or steal. In reality it's as easy as that." ]
That's another debate altogether. But I'd just like to say. Although it's a very good rule of thumb to start out, in reality it's not quite as easy as that. I suggest you add just a few more things; Never make a mistake, always control your emotions, don't get used by clever manipulative people.
It's a bit more to remember, but if you're serious about not getting into trouble, worth it : )
@Jesus2point3 > ["You are under a death penalty, of which you cannot avoid!"]
I've given several good reasons why the 'death penalty' is illogical, immoral, and barbaric.
You come up with; "we're all going to die anyway" so killing people is ok, even if it was for crimes they didn't commit or things not even criminal. By your own warped logic, why bother punishing murder? they could've died by a myriad other ways anyway.
I don't expect you to concede any point, just to present a decent case.
@6Untitled9 You have only given reasons in your mind untitled one, and none of them are very good. I told you already I'm all for punishing those who truly commit crimes! YOU are the one who has the problem with punishment, get that through your head!
I'm presenting the logical & moral case, you just don't understand it. You say you know that we all must die, but then you prove you don't know what that means, when you defend a murderers life.
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Give it time and you will see that the Qur'an contains the truth" ]
If it contained the truth, it would be logical and would not contain anything, that conflicted with known facts about observed reality. In both, it fails, and 1400 years of time past, has only worsened matters.
Because you're a big fan of this book, you overlook its faults. For this reason, I think you also overlook the problems of using the death sentence as punishment. So I ask, that you think about it.
@6Untitled9 But my one with the little mind, you are mistaken. The Qur'an is well reasoned, and logical to its core. No problems with the death sentence, because we are all living with one. You deny this truth at your own expense.
NO man can be a GOD, a truth to be found in the Qur'an.
Some believe that he can, some think that they've been specially chosen,
and still others don't think at all. All of this is in the Qur'an.
Do you want to be happy? The Qur'an tells you how.
and when we dare to mention the word of shariah, every ignorant and islamophobic people show you as an extremist as a monster who take pleasure to kill people because of their sins ! But what can we say about teresa condamnation ? Subhan Allah, i believe that really everyone can be the best Judge on people except Allah ! The Most Merciful !
If the question is one of the death penalty, then the answer is all quite easy. An eye for an eye is what's been proscribed, and in reality that is the truth. If it can be proven beyond any doubt that one individual has caused the death of another, then the person causing that death foreits the right to live any longer.
It is up to the judge, and the agrieved family, to decide the actual punishment. Since we all must die in this world you see, & it doesn't effect you - mind your own business.
@sirataalmustaqeem Criminals effect those who they perpetrate their crimes against, but they do not effect me. For a society to succeed it must have some basic rules, and these rules must be understood. Where do we keep the rules? In our thoughts, & then we begin to speak them. Words disappear in thin air, never to be heard exactly the same again.
Therefore, we create documents to set them in stone. The constitution is just such a document, but created by man.
@Jesus2point3 Of course these crimes effect society and everyone in it. 9/11 changed laws all around the world, security increased, people went crazy and are buying guns and security devices, etc. A murder happens in your neighborhood, people become scared, by security systems, more guns.
The Quran speaks of this... Punish those who create mischief in the land. We need to remind ourselves of Allah's words. Criminals need to be punished
Yes Quran is the guidance and word of Allah. 100% Agree.
@sirataalmustaqeem Dear sir, what you say is all quite true, but you don't quite say it in the right way. In Sharia law none of those changes would happen. The guilty party would pay the price, and life would go on just the same.
All the changes that you mention are done by frightened people. If you put your trust in ALLAH, then you have no reason to be afraid. Except for your place come the Day of Judgement, and even I worry about what hand my record will be placed in.
Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatulah wa barakatuh ! I agree with u bro, and i have wrote an article about that (in french) to underline the big difference of the manner that teresa lewis was judged to death and other woman like sakined mohamadi an iranian woman, who was condemned to prison and medias claimed that she was condemned to lapidation ! so i just wanted to put on light what you have told on ur video, the fact that this justice is all except an equality justice !
If we get onto the issue of stoning at any point while i do not agree in this either I would like to point out that this was also mentioned up until about 200 years ago in the holy bible as punishment. It was removed for modern editions but you can still find it in some versions. People forget that Islam and the christian faith are middle eastern in origin and this was the acceptable punishment at the time the texts where revealed.
By putting people to death we are commiting a terrible sin against ourselves and we cannot rectify the evil in the world by using the death sentance. I'm not defending anyone who commits murder in anyway, I just don't see the point of the death sentance when God has a far more suitable punishment in wait for them.
Hi,:) She probably didn't have a decent lawyer just like Aileen Wuornos. Personally, I hate the death penalty I'm against it totally. We are told frequently in the qur'an to have faith in God and that those who plot, scheme, do evil, non believers will be condemned to the fire forever. Therefore my view is have faith in God that those who do wrong will be punished after all he knows all what they do and think, whereas we do not.
assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh....sharia is acting as a measurment of percussion...explanation: if somebody knows that he will be killed for rape,then he will not commit rape....so if u look into that logic,sharia law is there to PROTECT potential victims...while western laws r there not as percussion but to SOLVE problem once it happens,so if u ask me that is basic difference between those 2 law systems(i was going to law school for 2 years)..only criminals dont want sharia
Sharia Law is justice as Allah banned unjustice for himself & for people & ordered to avoid it as in Hadith Qudsi & unjustice is darknesses on judgment day & this killing someone without right will come on judgement day on his forehead is written -desperate of allah mercy- as meant in hadiths
I think they should do away with death penalty in the west as for Sharia law the penalty for killing.
as minimum fedyah( financial compensation) as for maximum penalty will be execute the killer (the one who did the killing) . these are the limit of Allah law.
Shiara Law is the best law there is, only if it is implimented 100%. You can't pick and choose what you want to accept or reject, then it is no longer shiria law but man made. We muslims are deserving of our fate now and if we don't go back to ALLAH we will be the losers. We conformed our religion out of fear of the west. When wake up, then people will see how great islam truly is.
ASSALAAMMU 'ALEIKOM muslims, yes i value the shariah..ofcourse brother, what kind of question is that..not to sound rude or anything but of course its a better system..SYSTEM OF ALLAH ya know
@fkk69 wa alaikum salaam, well it could sound rude yes, but just as you great Muslims, my videos are for Muslims and non-muslims. And of course YT posts are not the best way to communicate, many misunderstandings happen.
Asalamu alaikum. I've recently watched a lecture given by "Hamza Tzortzis" called "Is Sharia law barbaric or misunderstood" and where he compares the liberal individual values with what is propagated under sharia.
Great watch, maybe you already seen it..just a suggestion :) peace
This verse, which must have been revealed during the migration to Abyssinia, teaches Muslims how they should behave toward the People of the Book. In fact, this manner is the general way in which the Muslims must behave in their relationship with the followers of other faiths. They must convey Islam with gentle words and in a mild manner. If, however, those addressed show a harsh reaction, then the Muslims must avoid disputation with them.
46. Do not argue with those who were given the Book save in the best way, unless it be those of them who are given to wrongdoing (and, therefore, not accessible to courteous argument).16 Say (to them): "We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God and our God is one and the same. We are Muslims wholly submitted to Him."
@frid9999 I'm going to delete this one. You have been around long enough to know my simple rule, no insults to Allah or the Prophet. Repost if you want but without the "Stupid" part.
@sirataalmustaqeem Osama bin Laden proudly lives up to islamic beliefs too. Good luck to both of you in your attempts to consistently mimic the savageness, silliness, backwardness and oppressiveness ordered by the quran.
@frid9999 See you are being ignorant. Where have I ever preached death to anyone or any culture, where have I limited myself to "Jihad" in Islam.
Just like you I only state that I disagree with things. Difference is you criticize my way of life and provide nothing better and at the same time do not care to listen to the possibility that Islam can provide something better.
If you can give me a better way of life, I'm willing to listen...
am Muslim from africa, and i dont agree with sharia law in wester country's. even in Muslim country's they dont practice it because they are not full Islamic emirate empire....
you know in britain to keep someone in prison for a year cost almost £30,000 that almost 5 time the average income a year for the majority of the people.
is it better to support a criminal than someone who's done nothing and may need the support money?
@badsha01 What about making them pay for at least part of it, by cutting some privileges in the case they don't? And the cost to KILL someone in an HUMAN(?!) condition (NOT hanging, NOT stoning), including all ways and forms to defend and attack, in USA(I'm from Brazil) go above the million of dollars, while life in prison would cost less than a million, up to my knowledge.
@TemporalOnline USA's prison system is different compared to UK, i wouldnt know how things work in USA, but what im sure about and that in all the places in the world most people that get sentenced merely get it because they come from a poorer and less privileged background making them an easy target to remove from society.
@TemporalOnline more innocent people get punished than these that commit the act. and thats a fact and that the human mentality and in a way its a must if the rich and powerful get the same penalty as the poor than who would control us. i know this is out of the topic and i apologise.
Are you trying to compare one whom was taken an IQ test, then persecuted, has gone to the TV and CONFESS (in HER WORDS, NOT BLURRY), has been on trial and has been PROVEN that she was the master of the thing, and I can go to google and probably would be able to find the thing with some effort, and has been killed with LETHAL INJECTION, with someone whom was being persecuted for adultery and LATER has been said that was murder too, when she wasn't even MARRIED. By STONNING? Sorry, no match.
@TemporalOnline Actually this video is not about comparison of Sharia vs Western laws. I specifically asked, how is this justice when you execute the person who they are saying is not very smart and possible disabled mentally and she gets the death penalty but the two who actually committed the murders don't get the punishment.
What was the reason that she got the death penalty and others don't? Thats what I am interested in...
US legal system allows the practice of "dealing with key witness". The two accomplice may be given lesser a sentence for testifying against the woman.
@getaranjiwaramlee Yes, same here in Canada, however this doesn't address her mental state. Executing a mentally disabled women when she didn't even pull the trigger. To me thats something wrong with the system. Being devils advocate here, thats all... :)
wow and this wasnt breaking news? .. where are all those youtube vids on this , no1 is screaming that a mentally disable woman was executed? .... jz proves how blind the american public is. They follow everything and anything fox or cnn tells them and nothing else.
If she was really mentally disabled she would not be executed under sharia law but then again, what kind of mentally disabled person masterminds a murder ? Also, the family of a victim has the right to pardon.
@0Idskool Well thats was just something I said from a controversial stand point. How can she be the mastermind and mentally disabled at the same time.
She was involved but the belief is that she was manipulated because of her disability.
@zakuk77 Sharia law is, the "famous woman" was tried twice for the same crime, that's called double jeopardy and that's illegal. Sharia doesn't take into account special circumstances, it's black and white, kill someone no matter the situation or circumstance, and you receive death as punishment.
@CountHektor thats in ur democratic system,but in shariah low the person has to be connvicted with out a doubt,in most cases u need 4 HONEST& well known witnesses for thier poiuty to be able to convict a person2-sharia low dosent depend on a jury system in most cases r people with no knowlege of low,very emotional,in sharia low a guodge that isnt angry,hungry,upset in any way for what ever reason to be able to make the right call&to let 1000 criminal go free is better to convict an innocent
@CountHektor - Actually shari'ah does take account of exceptional circumstances, but because you do not have the sincerity nor bothered to learn about Islam, you make such innocently inaccurate remarks. Also note that Iran is a shia state and its "Shari'ah" varies from orthodox Islam.
@CountHektor Actually she (Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani) was tried for adultery and murder, two separate crimes...
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani has been on trial for two years, before we got wind of it. If Sharia legal prosecution was so black and white, why is she still alive, why is she still going through the legal system?
@CountHektor It only got national attention because of the fact that she is Muslim and going to be executed in a Muslim country in a way that wester values don't agree with. People are executed all the time in the US and they don't get anywhere near as much attention.
@CountHektor Right and wrong is not what the video is about since I do my best to avoid the right and wrong aspect of these discussions for a simple reason...
We (humanity) will never agree on anything 100% of the time. There are so many factors that lead to difference of opinion, especially on those things related to life and death (execution, abortion, war, etc.)
I agree with you, all they see is a woman 'stoned to death', all they see is two planes flying into a building. They don't look at the background, circumstances, and CAUSES. They are the most hypocritical people on earth!
You say that critics of islam have jumped to conclusions about the latest woman in Iran who has been sentenced to be stoned to death. Like what? What conclusions have we jumped to?
One of the nice things about being an atheist is we can use science and thoughtful reasoning when it comes to moral questions rather than just flipping through a book looking for our orders. I have concluded that the death penalty should only be used in the rarest of circumstances - basically only for serial killers.
@CountHektor That is one advantage of not executing serial killers. One advantage of executing them is it ensures they can never harm another person ever. There is a case here in Canada of a notorious serial killer taunting the families of his victims with letters for years after; and abusing the legal system to gain publicity, interesting day trips to court and again taunt his victims' families from the defendants table.
I am a Muslim and I find the death penalty appalling. Allah is our judge and Allah alone.Allah will decide our punishment on judgement day, we know this.NO man has the right to judge.I am proactive as a human rights campaigner against the death penalty, Muslim or non Muslim. Please do not respond and lecture me about sharia law or any other law.
Allahumdoolilah
lismorehassi 1 month ago
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I honestly don't see how you can compare Sharia to ANY legal system. Sharia calls for stoning & flogging people for having sex.
sheri226 5 months ago
@sheri226 Is that all sharia is or is that all you know about it?
sirataalmustaqeem 5 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem It's *all I need to know* about it.
sheri226 5 months ago
@sirataalmustaqeem narrow vision keeps you blind from the truth,
Salaam - Peace
sirataalmustaqeem 5 months ago
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sheri226 5 months ago
I don't like Sharia law in western countries. And R.I.P. for the woman that was executed in Virginia just because she was mentally disabled. Sharia law should not be applied in western countries.
89990000 7 months ago
You are a retardo dude!...It's not the punishment..It's who doles it out, the circumstances, and the system employed..Get some meds..please!
truthsewer 9 months ago
2011 An Eritrean Christian is facing the death penalty in Saudi Arabia after being arrested for sharing his faith with Muslims.
Mussie Eyob was detained by the authorities at a mosque in Saudi’s second largest city, Jeddah, on 12 February. He had gone there to meet and talk with local Muslims after speaking about Christianity at the Eritrean Embassy for three days. Eyob was arrested for preaching to Muslims, an offence that carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia.
Thedickknows 9 months ago
Asia Bibi is a wonderful hard working 45 year old Mom. Her children are in tears pleading for their Mom’s life. Her husband is working tirelessly to try to gain his wife’s freedom. Her only crime: Being a Christian in a “moderate muslim” nation of Pakistan.
Thedickknows 9 months ago
A court in Saudi Arabia increased the punishment for a gang-rape victim after her lawyer won an appeal of the sentence for the rapists, the lawyer told CNN.
The 19-year-old victim was sentenced last year to 90 lashes for meeting with an unrelated male, a former friend from whom she was retrieving photographs. The seven rapists, who abducted the pair, received sentences ranging from 10 months to five years in prison.
Thedickknows 9 months ago
Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
Thedickknows 9 months ago
This man is so dumb it is amazing. All around the Muslim world apostates are condemned to death, and in Pakistan people are killed for criticizing Islam, actually telling the truth.
This guy is a hypocritical non thinking bigot, incredible tool for evil!
Thedickknows 9 months ago
if the west saw how mentally disabled people are treated in muslims countries they will wish to be one
LieExtinguisher 1 year ago
sharia law;
1] adultry for unmarried person is lashes 80 for male. 50 female
2] for married person death penalty. both male and female.
They say women that got raped must be stoned according to the law - This is a total LIE by media. Nowhere in sharia
They can say death penalty is wrong in any case. But logically, it reduces crime rate. Public will fear of wrongdoing. Plus all religious rules say it erases sin. Moreover, why r they so much against it if they don't intend to commit these sins?
La19000 1 year ago
@La19000 Sadly bad things happen but people need to separate what happens from what should happen according to the teachings.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Ah, the good ole United States of America. you like to believe you are better than other countries. you stand around with your noses in the air thinking you are morally supreme to more oppressive regimes, like Iran,hypocritical because you launched a “heavy propaganda" campaign against the case of an Iranian woman who had been sentenced to death but failing to react with outrage over the imminent execution of Lewis in Virginia
glennirish 1 year ago
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wa alaikum salaam, I agree with you totally.
abqskinhead 1 year ago
@abqskinhead alhamdulillah
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Forbidding the penalty of death in some western countries because of human rights is the most aggressive deed against human rights.
Where is the right of the victims? or anyone could kill and his punishment is to live.
emaaan100 1 year ago
Maybe the 2 men did a plea bargain i dont know the case but that would be my assumption.
InocenciaRubia 1 year ago
@InocenciaRubia Probably and that is a whole another injustice in it self. Another topic of course.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Al salamou alikom..جزاك الله خيراً
fosfatg2 1 year ago
@fosfatg2 wa alaikum salaam, wa iykaum
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
I'm against death penalty in any case, so, I would say american law and sharia law are both wrong.I do see however some kind of double satandard, when a muslim country put someones to death it has more negative reaction than when america does it (maybe that is because of 'how' it is done)...I do consider it hipocrit for a american how suports death penalty in usa to condemn a muslim country for doing it.
Danihc2525 1 year ago
@Danihc2525 Yes I agree, people need to start with what they believe in and apply it to their lives.
If you believe in the death penalty then support it globally, then move on to the next issue, like the form in which it is done.
Now if you don't, same rule applies. Condemn death penalty in any way shape or form.
Basically if you believe in something be true to it. Also on these moral issues we have to remember there are going to be differences of opinion.
Thanks for the post
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago 3
@Danihc2525 : ok that means I can kill as many as I want and I wont be killed at the end, sounds fair to me, I can be in prison forever , and that won't stop people from killing each other, the death penalty will stop people thinking like that from doing it at the first place, that is the idea, penalties in Islam are more for preventing people from doing the crimes, not as penalty itself, and I will think 100 times more if I knew I will be dead 3 days FOR SURE after I make my crime directly :)
hgbtester 1 year ago
@hgbtester Killing people to show to people that killing is wrong is absolutly ridiculous in my opinion.So it's ok to have penalty that goes against basic human rights just cause they are "more for preventing people from doing the crimes"?No, I don't think death penalty is a good idea, and the facts also show that death penalty DOES NOT prevent people from commiting violent crimes.
Danihc2525 1 year ago
Subhana'Allah, i do agree with you on this. That's why the sharia law is so unique compared to other man made laws, that are doomed to fail. You will never find true justice elsewhere than the Sharia law, the law of Allah azza wa jall. The Creator knows his own creation more than we know ourselves, subhana'Allah. Jazaka'Allah khair for reminding us to reflect on such an important matter.
HimetaruHohoemi 1 year ago
@HimetaruHohoemi wa iyakum
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
As you may know the sahaba Abdullah bin Salam (raa) is jew converted to islam.
idriss0007 1 year ago
a very good point bro :)
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wa-salaam
Exshinrasoldier 1 year ago
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So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess."
idriss0007 1 year ago
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Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. -->continue
idriss0007 1 year ago
Elsalamo Alaikom w rahmato allah w barakatohe,
Absolutely right ,by the way read this:
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
"A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "-->continue
idriss0007 1 year ago
The prophet sws said: the pen (the pen which records all deeds which we will be held accountable for) is lifted from three people: the child before he reaches puberty, the sleeping person, and the MENTALLY DISABLED PERSON.
I hope it answered your question.
May Allah guide you, me and all those who follow in the path of righteousness until the last day.
darklight254 1 year ago
@darklight254 Jazak Allahu khair, I know this, just trying to get others to think as well.
Ameen, May Allah reward you for your deeds, Ameen
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@darklight254 : This is correct answer.
IbrahimSiddiqConlon 1 year ago
@darklight254 JazakAllah .. but reference i would like to have a reference if you can provide for this Hadees.
fizakhanz 1 year ago
It's not that I think, I know I agree with you.
hipgang2007 1 year ago
Aslam Alikom, dear brother. all the humanity know that who build something know what it's secrets and no one else do!! ALLAH did this universe .. so obviously ALLAH knows it's secrets!! that's why Islam is the PERFECT system dealing with these situations.
the Western system uses Laws .. and we all know that if the evidence are there the rest is on the lawyers skills .. just like football game.
In contrast, Islam doesn't depend on anyone skills .. it deals with it by Quran and Sunna.
Battl3Ghost 1 year ago
As salam alaikum, from my understanding the pen is lifted from the insane and Allahu Alim.
VoyageIslam 1 year ago
The death penalty is a barbaric practice, biblical justice based on vengeance. Most civilised societies have, quite rightly, abolished the practice.
Sharia has the most primitive and cruel examples of capital punishment. In some cases, (adultery), a thing that is not even a crime, can be punished with death by stoning. The victim of a crime can sometimes be executed, because it is very difficult to prove her innocence in the face of male biased rules on evidence.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 It is not a crime to YOU. And to say it is "barbaric" is completely asinine.
Say someone broke into your house, raped your wife and children, and then killed them all. You don't think that person would deserve to die? OF COURSE NOT, so what the hell are you talking about?
1manmafia 1 year ago
@1manmafia > ["to say it is "barbaric" is completely asinine."]
No. But your suggested scenario is.
["so what the hell are you talking about?"]
I was commenting on the content of this video. I think it's barbaric to execute a person, who was not responsible for their actions due to illness. Much better to treat the illness by medication.
As for sharia, it's use of capital punishment to deal with broken relationships is completely inappropriate, a perfect example of medieval barbarism.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 No, you said the death penalty is a barbaric act(which is not true). And how is my suggested scenario asinine? How is that even relevant to my point?
1manmafia 1 year ago
@1manmafia > [ "And how is my suggested scenario asinine?"]
It seems a little far fetched and deliberately provocative. Was it based on a real life incident you'd heard of?
["How is that even relevant to my point?"]
How was your statement relevant to my original point, that you were answering?
I've given a couple of reasons, for why I consider capital punishment barbaric. Why don't you explain why you think the death penalty is not barbaric?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Yes, it happens quite often, suprisingly.
I stated that "provocative" metaphor to show you that the death penalty IS often just given the severity of the crime and the pain and suffering said crime causes. That is why I don't think it's barbaric. But again, I emphasize that not EVERY given situation is the same, so giving the death penalty to every cookie jar thief is not something I really agree with.
1manmafia 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Oh untitled one you are confused, because we all live with the death penalty. You will not live forever, and you will not know the moment you die.
Most 'civilized' societies are in decline for many various reasons. Most of all they deny the truth, and rule by mans laws. Give it time and you will see that the Qur'an contains the truth.
It tells what was happening then, and what the signs will be as the end time approaches. I'm here to tell you that the reckoning time is soon!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 >[ "Oh untitled one you are confused, "]
Actually. I think that you're trying to muddy the waters a bit. To be clear, we're not discussing death by natural causes here, or accidental death. We're discussing the barbaric practice, of the deliberate putting to death of an offender.
I'm waiting to hear from a religious enthusiast. Their reasons for thinking that killing a perpetrator, is more civilised than the alternatives. i.e. Is not a barbaric vestige from a savage age.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 We are discussing the truth. The truth is that we all must die. Nobody knows when that time will come, but come it will - and you cannot deny that reality.
What is a natural cause of death? Heart attack? Why would you spend loads of money avoiding the inevitable,when you could use the resources helping the poor?
Instead, you fear what must happen, and you are willing to go to any lengths to stop it. So what if the pharmaceutical companies make a bundle, while the poor still starve?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["Heart attack? Why would you spend loads of money avoiding the inevitable"]
If it can be avoided, it's not inevitable, is it? You might as well ask; 'Why help people who are ill?'
[ "when you could use the resources helping the poor?"]
False dichotomy.We can deal with both issues.
[ "Are you 69ing yourself?" ]
Hmmm! That would be impossible.
[ "The Qur'an is well reasoned, and logical"]
Based on your comments, I'd say, you're hardly in any position to judge that.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 But my little untitled one, death is inevitable & it can't be avoided. I don't mind helping anyone, as long as i know them. In reality we should remove all patents & copyrights & trademarks too. There's no reason to have them if you're trying to help out each other.
While I've only recently recited the Shahada, that's because I've only recently discovered the signs in my life. I've known what the truth was for quite a long time, & I've voted Libertarian all of my life! Understand?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "death is inevitable & it can't be avoided."]
Yes, but that does not mean that we should not strive to preserve, prolong and improve the quality of our lives. Perhaps one day, scientists will even find a cure for old age : )
[ "......I've known what the truth was for quite a long time, & I've voted Libertarian all of my life! Understand?"]
No, I don't understand your meaning at all.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 I don't mind you doing whatever you want, as long as you do it with your own resources. Knock yourself out see if I care. I'm already having the time of my life and I'm not hurting anyone.
What more do you need?
If you don't understand why not visit one of my blogs?
But it's as simple as accepting responsibility for what you think & do.
Thinking takes place in the mind my friend,
& doing takes place in both time & space.
How many physical resources will you use to do it?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["If you don't understand why not visit one of my blogs?"]
Nope! Still don't get it...............I don't have to buy the DVD do I?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Nope. In reality you don't have to do anything but die. Not even taxes are inevitable! You make all the choices in your life. Unless you cross me. As long as you don't lie, cheat, or steal - I'm cool with you.
You got some sort of problem with me?
An eye for an eye, a life for a life,
unless I feel particularly generous at the moment.
Do you freakin' understand yet?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [" I don't mind helping anyone, as long as i know them."]
It appears that you are lacking in empathy.
[" In reality we should remove all patents & copyrights & trademarks too." ]
In reality we have to pay our way to live. Why shouldn't the ones who exercise their talents in useful ways be rewarded for their efforts? I don't see why you think they should give away for free, what they work hard to invent. Don't you expect to be paid for your labours?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Not lacking in empathy at all. I have limited resources at my disposal, and I choose to use them wisely. Nor do I lay claim to your resources. You may do as you please, just stay out of my way if you don't want to cooperate.
In reality we think, & we do. If we think we are hungry, we must do something to fill that need.
Everyone should be responsible for meeting their own needs, both physical & conceptual. If you think there's something wrong with this world - have at it.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Most 'civilized' societies are in decline" ]
Don't confuse evolving with declining. Most early great civilisations, were unable to change and adapt to new challenges.
Religions come and go over time and the religions we see today, are no different in that respect. Of the big three, (despite the hubristic claims of fastest growing), I'd say that Islam is the most likely to decline first, because of its seeming inability to adjust itself to the changes of the modern world.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 wrong again my untitled one. Are you 69ing yourself? People are born & die, in between they live. That has never changed and never will. Time marches on, and yet this never changes. Islam is the destiny of the world, for they acknowledge the truth. If you want a world of harmony, then you must be in harmony with nature.
We are but creatures trying to survive, nothing more & nothing less. Everything else is a distraction. What do you want before you die? I have all that I need.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "People are born & die, in between they live. That has never changed and never will. Time marches on,"]
I quite agree with that. It's a reason why I believe the act of taking someone's life, is barbaric.
[ "Everything else is a distraction." ]
What do you mean by that? If you mean religion, again I agree.
[ "What do you want before you die?"]
To live very long and healthy, to learn as much as I can and enjoy living.
[ "I have all that I need." ]
How very nice for you.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Understanding the truth that we are born to die,
makes you realize how important every life is. But primarily mine!
I'd kill in an instant if it was my life or yours.
Otherwise, I'd rather cooperate with you.
But you refuse to cooperate with me. Why is that so?
Surviving the most efficient way possible is what I mean,
but you are distracted, and don't understand.
Define "very long" & "healthy",
I already enjoy life to the fullest my friend!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["Understanding the truth that we are born to die,"]
How long have you been aware of that little nugget of wisdom?
Rather than statements of the blinding obvious. Don't you think that a discussion on the ethics of capital punishment would be more interesting, productive and in keeping with the topic of this video?
["But you refuse to cooperate with me. Why is that so?"]
Cooperate? Aren't we simply having a discussion?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 I've been aware for quite some time. When will you begin to understand what it freakin' means?
If you'd cooperate maybe you'd start to think and then the discussion can progress.
There are no ethics to the capital punishment. If one being takes the life of another, it forfeits it's rights to it's own. What can't you understand about that simple plan?
If you don't kill anybody, don't freakin' worry about it.
it don't have nothin' to do with you!
you got any other problems?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["There are no ethics to the capital punishment."]
There most certainly are. Consider the very many miscarriages of justice, wrongful convictions, where the innocent are needlessly executed creating double anguish for the families concerned. Further more, in the case of sharia law, death is prescribed for things that are not even crimes, such as blasphemy, apostasy and adultery.
["An eye for an eye, a life for a life,"]
Should blackmailers be blackmailed and rapists be raped?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 You've confused two different things.
I favor the death penalty, I don't favor miscarriages of justice, wrongful convictions, or the needless execution of the innocent.
In reality they are 2 different things! Get that through your tiny little head.
Anguish is just an emotion tha will go away - if you put your mind to it.
You say that blasphemy, apostasy, & adultery are not crimes.
that's in your mind, not mine.
If I say I've done your mother & wife,
will you get upset?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["I don't favor miscarriages of justice,"]
I'm glad to hear that. I hope you will also agree, miscarriages of justice should be rectified asap, the wrongly convicted freed and where applicable, compensated. None of this would be possible if they had been executed. A good argument against the death penalty, given the prevalence of human error and the available nonfatal alternatives.
[ "You say that blasphemy, apostasy, & adultery are not crimes." ]
That's right, they're not.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 I do agree with you concerning the rectifying of miscarriages & wrongly convicted people.
But that isn't a good reason to be against the death penalty. Argue with yourself all you want, but I won't conceded the point! You are under a death penalty, of which you cannot avoid!
Don't lie, cheat, or steal, and you can avoid miscarriages of justice & wrongful convictions. That's how I've done it anyway!
Given the prevalence in the error of your thought, are you ready to give up?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ " I do agree with you concerning the rectifying of miscarriages" ]
Yes I know, and you also favour the death penalty. That position is untenable, because it is illogical, since either position negates the possibility of the other. Unless, you can tell us how, a person wrongly convicted and executed for a crime, could later be recompensed and set free, in the light of new exonerating evidence.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 You are mistaken, now think this through. We don't capture many criminals, they just slip away in the dark. Should we not bother having a justice system because of this injustice?
And now you say we may convict an innocent person, and I would never deny that possibility. Yet, we still need to administer justice, miscarriage or not.
We are only human's you do know this don't you?
Don't worry about the details- unless it concerns you.
Are you planning on killing anybody soon?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "we still need to administer justice"]
That's not in dispute. I'm waiting for a reasoned argument in favour of the 'Death Penalty'.
[ "miscarriage or not." ]
A miscarriage of justice is not justice, it's a travesty. Any system of justice that cannot put right it's mistakes, is not fit for purpose. This is self evident, it's almost a definition of justice.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 You claim to desire a system to administer justice, and I'm telling you that the death penalty is the ultimate justice when it is administered to someone who deserves it. What is in dispute? I'm not talking about closing down a house of ill repute, for only the pimps are the criminals there. They prey on the folly of men, and the need for some women to survive.
And what of the purpose you are here for?
Are you making any mistakes in your life?
Is it a travesty you are still alive?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "I'm telling you that the death penalty is the ultimate justice"]
For the last time. The 'death penalty' is a penalty, it's not the 'ultimate justice' as you say, but the ultimate, and most final penalty. Are you able to explain why you think the death penalty is morally justified, in the face of the available alternatives?
[ "when it is administered to someone who deserves it."]
So, how do you decide who deserves it? and What do you do in the event of getting it wrong?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "And what of the purpose you are here for?"]
Why are you trying to divert the conversation into my private space?
I have absolutely no interest in your personal priorities, or life choices and I fail to see, what possible interest you have in mine.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 I'm not diverting anything. I'm trying to understand your motivation.
why would you care what i think, when you don't seem to care about me?
Why do you care about a few miscarriages of justice? You don't know those people do you?
I have no interest in your personal priorities whatsoever. Do anything you want, just don't lie, cheat, or steal. In reality it's as easy as that. If you do any of those things, you'll need to be punished. I don't care if they put you to death!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Why do you care about a few miscarriages of justice? "]
Hmm!...I think, anyone following our exchange over the past several days, would easily see, that you are either unable or unwilling to engage in focused discussion. If you were being sincere, you'd know that what you ask is part of my case against using the 'death penalty'.
I take it, that you are unable to present a coherent argument in favour of the 'death penalty'.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 No my little one, your are unable to understand what I'm telling you.
You are already under a penalty of death, and only GOD knows when your time is up.
That doesn't give you the right to rush it along when it comes to my life. I'll defend it will all that I've got. If you get the better of me, well - I guess that means you win.
If I get the better of you my friend, I may just claim all of your belongings.
If I feel like doing it!
I don't expect anything more or less from you!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "just don't lie, cheat, or steal. In reality it's as easy as that." ]
That's another debate altogether. But I'd just like to say. Although it's a very good rule of thumb to start out, in reality it's not quite as easy as that. I suggest you add just a few more things; Never make a mistake, always control your emotions, don't get used by clever manipulative people.
It's a bit more to remember, but if you're serious about not getting into trouble, worth it : )
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 You add whatever you want to the rules and see where it will get you.
Make all the mistakes you want, but if you kill someone while you're making it - you don't deserve to live any longer.
It's as simple as that.
Unless you didn't in reality kill anyone, or it was self defense. Just don't lie.
Stay away from those clever manipulative people, like lawyers, politicians, religions leaders, & salesman of all sorts.
Try to think for yourself, & maybe you'll understand the truth.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > ["You are under a death penalty, of which you cannot avoid!"]
I've given several good reasons why the 'death penalty' is illogical, immoral, and barbaric.
You come up with; "we're all going to die anyway" so killing people is ok, even if it was for crimes they didn't commit or things not even criminal. By your own warped logic, why bother punishing murder? they could've died by a myriad other ways anyway.
I don't expect you to concede any point, just to present a decent case.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 You have only given reasons in your mind untitled one, and none of them are very good. I told you already I'm all for punishing those who truly commit crimes! YOU are the one who has the problem with punishment, get that through your head!
I'm presenting the logical & moral case, you just don't understand it. You say you know that we all must die, but then you prove you don't know what that means, when you defend a murderers life.
I'm not talkin' 'bout the innocent.
why are you?
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 > [ "Give it time and you will see that the Qur'an contains the truth" ]
If it contained the truth, it would be logical and would not contain anything, that conflicted with known facts about observed reality. In both, it fails, and 1400 years of time past, has only worsened matters.
Because you're a big fan of this book, you overlook its faults. For this reason, I think you also overlook the problems of using the death sentence as punishment. So I ask, that you think about it.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 But my one with the little mind, you are mistaken. The Qur'an is well reasoned, and logical to its core. No problems with the death sentence, because we are all living with one. You deny this truth at your own expense.
NO man can be a GOD, a truth to be found in the Qur'an.
Some believe that he can, some think that they've been specially chosen,
and still others don't think at all. All of this is in the Qur'an.
Do you want to be happy? The Qur'an tells you how.
& Society - Qur'an!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
and when we dare to mention the word of shariah, every ignorant and islamophobic people show you as an extremist as a monster who take pleasure to kill people because of their sins ! But what can we say about teresa condamnation ? Subhan Allah, i believe that really everyone can be the best Judge on people except Allah ! The Most Merciful !
FightForTruth73 1 year ago
If the question is one of the death penalty, then the answer is all quite easy. An eye for an eye is what's been proscribed, and in reality that is the truth. If it can be proven beyond any doubt that one individual has caused the death of another, then the person causing that death foreits the right to live any longer.
It is up to the judge, and the agrieved family, to decide the actual punishment. Since we all must die in this world you see, & it doesn't effect you - mind your own business.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 Criminals do effect us, the entire world. Hence the harsh punishments.
And yes the judge and family ultimately decide the final punishment. If the family so chooses to forgive.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Criminals effect those who they perpetrate their crimes against, but they do not effect me. For a society to succeed it must have some basic rules, and these rules must be understood. Where do we keep the rules? In our thoughts, & then we begin to speak them. Words disappear in thin air, never to be heard exactly the same again.
Therefore, we create documents to set them in stone. The constitution is just such a document, but created by man.
The Qur'an is a creation of GOD.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 Of course these crimes effect society and everyone in it. 9/11 changed laws all around the world, security increased, people went crazy and are buying guns and security devices, etc. A murder happens in your neighborhood, people become scared, by security systems, more guns.
The Quran speaks of this... Punish those who create mischief in the land. We need to remind ourselves of Allah's words. Criminals need to be punished
Yes Quran is the guidance and word of Allah. 100% Agree.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Dear sir, what you say is all quite true, but you don't quite say it in the right way. In Sharia law none of those changes would happen. The guilty party would pay the price, and life would go on just the same.
All the changes that you mention are done by frightened people. If you put your trust in ALLAH, then you have no reason to be afraid. Except for your place come the Day of Judgement, and even I worry about what hand my record will be placed in.
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 We have a duty to speak out if we see evil... Many Hadith and verses from the Quran tell us this, they are the best of reminders.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatulah wa barakatuh ! I agree with u bro, and i have wrote an article about that (in french) to underline the big difference of the manner that teresa lewis was judged to death and other woman like sakined mohamadi an iranian woman, who was condemned to prison and medias claimed that she was condemned to lapidation ! so i just wanted to put on light what you have told on ur video, the fact that this justice is all except an equality justice !
FightForTruth73 1 year ago
Good point brother.Jazak Allah khair
ghumzeda 1 year ago
@ghumzeda wa iyakum
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
I don't think though most people will ever agree what is acceptable for the punishment of a crime. Its a very controversial area. Take care, Scott
gingercatni 1 year ago
@gingercatni Yes like many things there will always be disagreement but honest polite discussion is always good.
Thanks for the posts
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@gingercatni peole will agree on something as long as they can make good money from it. haha
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
@MatrixOfDynamism yes that happens, agreement due to financial influence. :)
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
If we get onto the issue of stoning at any point while i do not agree in this either I would like to point out that this was also mentioned up until about 200 years ago in the holy bible as punishment. It was removed for modern editions but you can still find it in some versions. People forget that Islam and the christian faith are middle eastern in origin and this was the acceptable punishment at the time the texts where revealed.
gingercatni 1 year ago
By putting people to death we are commiting a terrible sin against ourselves and we cannot rectify the evil in the world by using the death sentance. I'm not defending anyone who commits murder in anyway, I just don't see the point of the death sentance when God has a far more suitable punishment in wait for them.
gingercatni 1 year ago
Hi,:) She probably didn't have a decent lawyer just like Aileen Wuornos. Personally, I hate the death penalty I'm against it totally. We are told frequently in the qur'an to have faith in God and that those who plot, scheme, do evil, non believers will be condemned to the fire forever. Therefore my view is have faith in God that those who do wrong will be punished after all he knows all what they do and think, whereas we do not.
gingercatni 1 year ago
assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh....sharia is acting as a measurment of percussion...explanation: if somebody knows that he will be killed for rape,then he will not commit rape....so if u look into that logic,sharia law is there to PROTECT potential victims...while western laws r there not as percussion but to SOLVE problem once it happens,so if u ask me that is basic difference between those 2 law systems(i was going to law school for 2 years)..only criminals dont want sharia
DontBeSleeper 1 year ago
Sharia Law is justice as Allah banned unjustice for himself & for people & ordered to avoid it as in Hadith Qudsi & unjustice is darknesses on judgment day & this killing someone without right will come on judgement day on his forehead is written -desperate of allah mercy- as meant in hadiths
bicyclist7610 1 year ago
westerners carry on about islam that its evil and stone women to death i see no difference he when you executed western style
FUCKZIONISM666 1 year ago
I think they should do away with death penalty in the west as for Sharia law the penalty for killing.
as minimum fedyah( financial compensation) as for maximum penalty will be execute the killer (the one who did the killing) . these are the limit of Allah law.
falcon02012 1 year ago
I think they all should have got the death penalty.
daedaehott 1 year ago
under Sharia law if that woman is mentally NOT ok then she wont be sent to death !
no one put a crazy person to death under Sharia law those mentally sick people always end up in a mental house.
TheFreedomwings 1 year ago
Shiara Law is the best law there is, only if it is implimented 100%. You can't pick and choose what you want to accept or reject, then it is no longer shiria law but man made. We muslims are deserving of our fate now and if we don't go back to ALLAH we will be the losers. We conformed our religion out of fear of the west. When wake up, then people will see how great islam truly is.
nessim4 1 year ago
ASSALAAMMU 'ALEIKOM muslims, yes i value the shariah..ofcourse brother, what kind of question is that..not to sound rude or anything but of course its a better system..SYSTEM OF ALLAH ya know
fkk69 1 year ago
@fkk69 wa alaikum salaam, well it could sound rude yes, but just as you great Muslims, my videos are for Muslims and non-muslims. And of course YT posts are not the best way to communicate, many misunderstandings happen.
Jazak Allahu khair
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
this was a very interesting and thought provoking video
fokmi 1 year ago 2
@fokmi well thanks
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
Asalamu alaikum. I've recently watched a lecture given by "Hamza Tzortzis" called "Is Sharia law barbaric or misunderstood" and where he compares the liberal individual values with what is propagated under sharia.
Great watch, maybe you already seen it..just a suggestion :) peace
DroppinTruth 1 year ago
@DroppinTruth I am looking into it now, Insha'Allah,
Jazak Allahu khair
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
100% true, the western justice system is messed up.
If you murder someone in the UK you'll probably get 5 years... how messed up is that!
keeplarge 1 year ago
This verse, which must have been revealed during the migration to Abyssinia, teaches Muslims how they should behave toward the People of the Book. In fact, this manner is the general way in which the Muslims must behave in their relationship with the followers of other faiths. They must convey Islam with gentle words and in a mild manner. If, however, those addressed show a harsh reaction, then the Muslims must avoid disputation with them.
12345678channelviews 1 year ago
very nice brother
46. Do not argue with those who were given the Book save in the best way, unless it be those of them who are given to wrongdoing (and, therefore, not accessible to courteous argument).16 Say (to them): "We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you, and your God and our God is one and the same. We are Muslims wholly submitted to Him."
12345678channelviews 1 year ago
@12345678channelviews Jazak Allahu khair
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem
:))
12345678channelviews 1 year ago
@frid9999 I'm going to delete this one. You have been around long enough to know my simple rule, no insults to Allah or the Prophet. Repost if you want but without the "Stupid" part.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem How islamic of you.
frid9999 1 year ago
@frid9999 Well I am a Muslim, so why are people surprised when I live up to my beliefs?
I would be a hypocrite otherwise.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Osama bin Laden proudly lives up to islamic beliefs too. Good luck to both of you in your attempts to consistently mimic the savageness, silliness, backwardness and oppressiveness ordered by the quran.
frid9999 1 year ago
@frid9999 See you are being ignorant. Where have I ever preached death to anyone or any culture, where have I limited myself to "Jihad" in Islam.
Just like you I only state that I disagree with things. Difference is you criticize my way of life and provide nothing better and at the same time do not care to listen to the possibility that Islam can provide something better.
If you can give me a better way of life, I'm willing to listen...
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
exxxactly
1986flawlys 1 year ago
SIGH -Good Topic !!!
Battmanss 1 year ago
Very interesting topic !!!
suad5 1 year ago
am Muslim from africa, and i dont agree with sharia law in wester country's. even in Muslim country's they dont practice it because they are not full Islamic emirate empire....
ALGfunk 1 year ago
@ALGfunk I agree, Sharia does not work when you try to implement parts of it.
A complete system is not a complete system if you pick and choose from it.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
BTW, noone should EVER be killed. Put in prison for the life? Yes. Killed? NO.
TemporalOnline 1 year ago
@TemporalOnline
you know in britain to keep someone in prison for a year cost almost £30,000 that almost 5 time the average income a year for the majority of the people.
is it better to support a criminal than someone who's done nothing and may need the support money?
badsha01 1 year ago
@badsha01 how on earth is that 5 times the average income of the uk. u think the average income is 6 grand???
ninjascroll6789 1 year ago
@ninjascroll6789 there is over 5million on benefits, and the average overall income is 6-11,000 a year.
you know how many people work in britain for less than the normal wage?
badsha01 1 year ago
@badsha01 What about making them pay for at least part of it, by cutting some privileges in the case they don't? And the cost to KILL someone in an HUMAN(?!) condition (NOT hanging, NOT stoning), including all ways and forms to defend and attack, in USA(I'm from Brazil) go above the million of dollars, while life in prison would cost less than a million, up to my knowledge.
TemporalOnline 1 year ago
@TemporalOnline USA's prison system is different compared to UK, i wouldnt know how things work in USA, but what im sure about and that in all the places in the world most people that get sentenced merely get it because they come from a poorer and less privileged background making them an easy target to remove from society.
badsha01 1 year ago
@TemporalOnline more innocent people get punished than these that commit the act. and thats a fact and that the human mentality and in a way its a must if the rich and powerful get the same penalty as the poor than who would control us. i know this is out of the topic and i apologise.
badsha01 1 year ago
Are you trying to compare one whom was taken an IQ test, then persecuted, has gone to the TV and CONFESS (in HER WORDS, NOT BLURRY), has been on trial and has been PROVEN that she was the master of the thing, and I can go to google and probably would be able to find the thing with some effort, and has been killed with LETHAL INJECTION, with someone whom was being persecuted for adultery and LATER has been said that was murder too, when she wasn't even MARRIED. By STONNING? Sorry, no match.
TemporalOnline 1 year ago
@TemporalOnline Actually this video is not about comparison of Sharia vs Western laws. I specifically asked, how is this justice when you execute the person who they are saying is not very smart and possible disabled mentally and she gets the death penalty but the two who actually committed the murders don't get the punishment.
What was the reason that she got the death penalty and others don't? Thats what I am interested in...
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
US legal system allows the practice of "dealing with key witness". The two accomplice may be given lesser a sentence for testifying against the woman.
getaranjiwaramlee 1 year ago
@getaranjiwaramlee Yes, same here in Canada, however this doesn't address her mental state. Executing a mentally disabled women when she didn't even pull the trigger. To me thats something wrong with the system. Being devils advocate here, thats all... :)
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
wow and this wasnt breaking news? .. where are all those youtube vids on this , no1 is screaming that a mentally disable woman was executed? .... jz proves how blind the american public is. They follow everything and anything fox or cnn tells them and nothing else.
blackb3ard911 1 year ago
@blackb3ard911 Well it was breaking news for a day or so, but daily for months like a Muslim case would be. i.e. Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
If she was really mentally disabled she would not be executed under sharia law but then again, what kind of mentally disabled person masterminds a murder ? Also, the family of a victim has the right to pardon.
0Idskool 1 year ago
@0Idskool Well thats was just something I said from a controversial stand point. How can she be the mastermind and mentally disabled at the same time.
She was involved but the belief is that she was manipulated because of her disability.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
American stinking double-standards!
zakuk77 1 year ago
An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor - justice is not blind.
zakuk77 1 year ago
@zakuk77 Sharia law is, the "famous woman" was tried twice for the same crime, that's called double jeopardy and that's illegal. Sharia doesn't take into account special circumstances, it's black and white, kill someone no matter the situation or circumstance, and you receive death as punishment.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor thats in ur democratic system,but in shariah low the person has to be connvicted with out a doubt,in most cases u need 4 HONEST& well known witnesses for thier poiuty to be able to convict a person2-sharia low dosent depend on a jury system in most cases r people with no knowlege of low,very emotional,in sharia low a guodge that isnt angry,hungry,upset in any way for what ever reason to be able to make the right call&to let 1000 criminal go free is better to convict an innocent
elnasser40 1 year ago
@CountHektor - Actually shari'ah does take account of exceptional circumstances, but because you do not have the sincerity nor bothered to learn about Islam, you make such innocently inaccurate remarks. Also note that Iran is a shia state and its "Shari'ah" varies from orthodox Islam.
zakuk77 1 year ago
@CountHektor Actually she (Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani) was tried for adultery and murder, two separate crimes...
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani has been on trial for two years, before we got wind of it. If Sharia legal prosecution was so black and white, why is she still alive, why is she still going through the legal system?
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Her case caught national attention, that's why.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor It only got national attention because of the fact that she is Muslim and going to be executed in a Muslim country in a way that wester values don't agree with. People are executed all the time in the US and they don't get anywhere near as much attention.
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem I'm not for the death penalty, you do have a point on cultural differences though, but that doesn't make it right.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor Right and wrong is not what the video is about since I do my best to avoid the right and wrong aspect of these discussions for a simple reason...
We (humanity) will never agree on anything 100% of the time. There are so many factors that lead to difference of opinion, especially on those things related to life and death (execution, abortion, war, etc.)
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
@sirataalmustaqeem Speaking of war, North Korea bombed South Korea early this morning.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor Yikes, scary, thanks for the heads up...
sirataalmustaqeem 1 year ago
I agree with you, all they see is a woman 'stoned to death', all they see is two planes flying into a building. They don't look at the background, circumstances, and CAUSES. They are the most hypocritical people on earth!
muslim9x9x 1 year ago
You say that critics of islam have jumped to conclusions about the latest woman in Iran who has been sentenced to be stoned to death. Like what? What conclusions have we jumped to?
One of the nice things about being an atheist is we can use science and thoughtful reasoning when it comes to moral questions rather than just flipping through a book looking for our orders. I have concluded that the death penalty should only be used in the rarest of circumstances - basically only for serial killers.
frid9999 1 year ago
@frid9999 I'd rather confine a serial killer and study them than have them executed.
CountHektor 1 year ago
@CountHektor That is one advantage of not executing serial killers. One advantage of executing them is it ensures they can never harm another person ever. There is a case here in Canada of a notorious serial killer taunting the families of his victims with letters for years after; and abusing the legal system to gain publicity, interesting day trips to court and again taunt his victims' families from the defendants table.
frid9999 1 year ago
@frid9999 Sounds like a new version of Albert Fish, who gave him mailing privileges to the family? It's an easy problem to fix.
CountHektor 1 year ago