Zeitgeist debunked by islam......debunked....

[notunki]

its a good video....all the miracles mentioned are from hadith not from Quran and that is why as a muslim i don't believe in hadith including the 12 imams of shias with sun rays on their heads typically pagan

[2012GreenGhost420]

Religion is Bullshit

[megapad100]

secondly im not sure we claim that he knever performed any miracles at all, but i know it wasnt preffered - i think, becuase people start worshipping the person instead and so on...

[megapad100]

snt the 12 imams the people after the prophet and its 12 because we lost track of the lineage thereafter, and secondly is this all you came up with to disprove Islam? venus project follows some islamic philosophies establishe d1400 years earlier such as no interest.

[fuckinick]

12 imams are not adopted by most of the muslims, period. But, I should say that, I like the idea of the Venus Project..

[anonymouz1221]

LOL! Islam is the only thing that is different... Sorry Zeitgeist... Keep on Researching about the history of Islam and you'll find NOTHIN like "Sun God" watsoever! Prophet Mohammad (Peace be with him) wasn't born in a Miracle Birth, he was a human and did not perform miracles, wasn't crucified and wasn't resurrected after 3 days whatsoever.

[probokator]

12 imam is from shiah, and not one single verse in quran or hadidt say about it. Also historically the prophet did not have 12 iman or diciple or anything. He have many companions

[goldstead]

Religion is the greatest FRAUD in all history. The Qoran is a plagiarized copy of the Bible and Torah. Mohammed was a thief, fraudster, mass-murderer - instructing that other religious people should be put to death for not believing his angel talk story.

[megapad100]

@goldstead quran isnt plageurized, the bible and torah were also books of god that were mauiplulated, they are fraudelent with scietific hisotoricall error, for example the bible says the earth is flat it also refers to the people before the pharoah as there ruler a pharoah, but the quran refers to him as king which is more historically accurate. how come muhammad PBUH could filter continued...

[megapad100]

continued.. out all these errors, even though he was known in the community as the trustworthy, also he couldnt read,no write yet theres so much in the quran he would be bigger than einstaein yet he doesnt claim the work what was his motives also destorying his reputation, scondly saying that he killed people. well if people re killing youre people you fight back, and diplomacy didnt work just as west is saying for democracy they are muder he nver unjustly did infact there was lot of forgiveness

[shq007pk]

BTW, The 12 disciples thing is a part of Shia Islam

And shias are ony 10-15% of total Muslims

[gordonculp]

islam was created by rome to conquer jerusalem.

[shq007pk]

@gordonculp

Thats is the silliest thing I've heard on my 15month stay on the internet

[benhoshinji]

Basically all religion needs to be banned..it is crazy stories created by primitive people thousands of years ago which have been exaggerated and adapted, very much like what people do today.. for example your friend witnesses a street fight. really 1 man just got punched in the face and it was over. your friend explains the story to you instead saying he was knocked out, blood everywhere etc. same principles. except the dumb stories made up back then easy to implement due to high superstition

[shadowq8]

book 58 volume 10 ? wtf is this guy smoking ? obviously he researched shit

[ZeAwakening]

@shadowq8

Sahih al-Bukhari perhaps seem familiar? I used a "trusted" hadith. I could have used reference like

Surah 54: 1-2. But it was more a matter of exposing the lack of knowledge about peoples own religion. Obviously some have shit for brains.....

[shadowq8]

@ZeAwakening I would respond to you but we have a saying that only a retard responds to a retard

[papasmurfXXX]

zeitgeist has the list

[papasmurfXXX]

zeitgeist proves the lies of our enemies, and it's like a precursor to the illuminati. annunaki and nibiru....

[ALITECH1]

Zeitgeist has some points which are correct but there was much of the movie that was incorrect.

Pertaining to this video, Where does it say Muhammad (saw) had 12 disciples??? The Prophet's (saw) had what is referred to as companions. And these companions are numerous, well into the thousands.

[YourFriendlyAlan]

I researched alot. All your quotes are from the Quaran. Isn't that a bit bias seeing as that is what is being questioned?

There are a few things in Zeitgeist which are a little bit out of proportion but I think that's just to make an argument. From what I've found alot of it is true.

[ZeAwakening]

This was a reply to the flick "Zeitgeist debunked by Islam". One of the arguments was that Muhammad did not perform miracles. This was the reply, showing the argument was flawed. Arguments and debates about religion is not a Zeitgeist issue. This debate have lasted since the creation of religion. So, debunking a religious claim does not have to refer to the Zeitgeist movie.

[khaji93]

"So, debunking a religious claim does not have to refer to the Zeitgeist movie. "

And yet you would go through the trouble of making this video.

Prophet Mohammad did not preform and of JESUS' miracles, is what the other video is trying to say.

[Morenob]

Yeah right everyone has 12 disciples according to Zeitgeist. just like Horus while he only had 4 and 16 human followors, when he was 12 he was a weakling and was not teaching. Christians should be careful of who they listen to Zeitgeist is either a Atheist or a Muslim and they both hate Christians.

Zeitgeist almost had me on 12 Zodiacs but come to think of it it was ment for Jesus before his birth Jesus Christ is the real one. and nobody did it like him Horus did not walk on water.

[khaji93]

Mohammad did not take his role as a prophet when he was 30 as Zeitgeist mentioned jesus did. And the fact that u call the 12 Imams his DISCIPLES, good luck with that arguemnt since by the time the 3rd imam was a young man, the prophet had passed away from the world. Thus this video is irrelevant to the video "Zeitgeist Debunked by islam".

[Eternalsummersong]

@Morenob: Not all muslims want to harm christians I have a friend that is muslims and where pretty much best friends.

[rikk06]

bah, good luck with that whole life after death crap =P

[xmuneebx]

lol for ur info MOHAMMAD WENT ON A UNICORN TO MEET GOD AND HE CLIMBED 7 SKIES AND HE MET MOSES

U KNOW WHAT I THINK THAT IS

BULLSHIT!

[DoubbleClick]

You didn't read the description of that video

It says "Mohammad (SAW) preformed miracles , but NOT the same as the video mentioned"

[Ps1locyb1n]

Mohamed was presented with the stories of miraculous proportions in order to increase the legitimacy and power of the newly created religious institution of Islam. Thus the Islamic state began controlling (and still controls) its people. If he had not been magical, people would not believe that he was a messenger of God. This tactic has been used on countless occasions throughout time. But these are stories created in the Quran by the same people who run the religion. It is all for power.

[frasernater13]

muhamid didn't have 12 iams, there was 11 and they were like the bibles mathew, mark, luke and john. the 12th was the islam messiah so for the solar messiah rule to aply there must be 11 constalations.

[hanzaninja3]

maybe they left Virgo out because they hate women.... ? not meant to be provocative, just throwing it out there

[scottpastry]

WAKEY WAKEY PEOPLE!!!

u are all arguing about the supposed similarities between jesus and mohammed?

WATCH THE ORIGINAL VIDEO OF ZEITGEIST AGAIN!!! MOHAMMED IS NOT ON THE LIST!!!! U HAVE TAKEN THE WORLD OF A RELIGOUS ZEALOT WITHOUT EVEN CHECKING THE BASIS OF HIS CLAIM!!!

cmon guys... wakey wakey hand off snakey....

[ZeAwakening]

It is not about the zeitgeist movie. Muhammed is a know historical figure, and this flick is not about any supposed Zeitgeist claims. This is only a response as stated in start of flick, to the claims of the debunking movie connected to the Zeitgeist movie. Do you, that are so awake see any claims or arguments on similiarities between jesus and muhammed perhaps...Sounds like some think religious debate came with the Zeitgeist movie. Forgetting that it is as old as religion itself.

[scottpastry]

ZeAwakiening, Do you, who seems to have an amswer to everything, see any mention of ANYTHING out of ur video? loooooool .... i was referring to posted comments.....

hard to believe, i know, but not everything is about u.........

[ZeAwakening]

"u are all arguing about the supposed similarities between jesus and mohammed?"

When did a argument about textual facts in the Quran have anything to do with your comment? Your comment are what is commonly know as out of context. If such concepts are to hard to grasp, nothing usefull will come out of a discussion like this.

[scottpastry]

which part of this dont u understand?

u are debunking a video that claims mohammed is on zeitgeists' list of many prophets that show similarities in one way or another with jesus....

but mohammed is not on the list in the zeitgeist movie....

so......

my original comment, and all following, were totally in context, becauce people are arguing about a topic featured in ur video, which is zeitgeist based... which YOU said this video is related to, not me...

[ZeAwakening]

Perhaps this is a misunderstanding. I comment some of the HISTORICAL FACTS that are presented in a flick that is related to the Zeitgeist movie. By now you should have understood that I do NOT argue about anything related to religion. That is not my field. I do not promote, nor do I refute any religious theory or belief. I can not really understand why you make accepting FACTS.

If it is the Zeitgeist movie you want to discuss, perhaps you should navigate to such a flick. This is about FACTS.

[scottpastry]

a misunderstanding indeed zeawakening... i do not refute anything in your video... and yes ur knowledge in this area seems quite broad...

my issue is that the video ur debunking is based on the premise that mohammed is one of the prophets compared to jesus in zeitgeist... but its not the case at all...

good luck in ur quest for the truth.. and keep up the good work!!!!

[hanzaninja3]

well said mate...

[Xalgucennia]

@scottpastry

1)Whoever made this video, is pretty ignorant about his religion, Islam is about 700 years more contemporary than Christianity and Judaism, so the sequence is naturally different

2)Islam is clearly applies as much as the others, similarities include great flood, saviours, Martyrdom, (which was a Christian concept that predates Islam, and is named after Justin Martyr in the video), Circumcision and not eating pork (with Jews) not to mention that Jesus is a figure in Islam

[Xalgucennia]

@scottpastry

Obviously I meant the original, but the Author there was too much of a coward to enable the comments, and I wanted to vent

[ZeAwakening]

Muslim leaders used a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it. The Crescent moon and star predates Islam and Christianity. The city of Byzantium adopted it, for reasons not exactly clear. Cresent moon was used as symbol for many. One example is Diana/Artemis in greek mythology ca. 800 BC. Over thousand years before Islam. Other example is the Sassanid Empire. Ottoman Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol.

[johnblack03]

Can someone draw me a cartoon of Muhammed please? Nothing saucy just him and his 9 y.o .wife.

[frasernater13]

who he married when he was six had had sex with when she was nine.

[Muslim4Dawah]

ZeAwekening, whats is the symbol of islam and who chose it to be the symbol of islam?

[Thorsten41]

Just think about khadija mohammends wife she was 40 and he was 25 when they married - She was roman catholik and held nearly the hole economic in her hand she was super rich... maybee she has something to do with the origins of islam?? He could neither read or write and the koran was finshed 20 years after his death.. and it has the same pagan symbolic like roman catholik bout instead of the sun its the moon.. It was only about to defeat tru christianity an rc did a good job!!

[Thorsten41]

ah come on everyone knows islam is founded by roman catholic church - it´s just a bad copy of it.. they tried to make jesus a simple man.. islam claimes mohammed is greater than jesus but on the otherway they say that jesus or isa will come back at the end of time and that he was born by a virgin.. Read ur book and find ur pagan roots - al uzza etc. one of the 3 daughters of allah the ancient moon god - is there a connection between moongod and splitting the moon?? just think about it..

[esgietheqroue]

All of you nonbelievers: please watch this video again!!!! What part of MUHAMMED SPLIT THE MOON didn't you understand???? HE ACTUALLY SPLIT THE MOON!!! PEACE UPON MUHAMMED AND HIS HOLY FLYING DONKEY WITH A WOMANS FACE!!!!

[ZeAwakening]

This "flick" is not to step on someones faith, it is just a comment on objective reality. I will leave this comment here to show that a "door surely swing both ways". Stupid is what stupid writes, no further comment needed.

[shukshuk]

you're rude

[Arabsys]

the 12 imams was coming from the persian religion,but Mohammed (peace be upon his holy (soul or ghost)) had myriad, Islam is surely coming from the creator and sth else, mohammed is a humain being, a man "who eat and walk on the markets" not divine like the pagan gods

you know due to zeitgeist i know why there is some stupide people who think that we worship the moon god lol => because christian worship the sun god !! and they call us mohammedin like christian !!

they ignore Islam very deeply.

[ZeAwakening]

Of course Mohammed is known as a historical figure. But as far as I know the Quran in the form you have was compiled by Uthman and his council about 20 years after the death of Mohammed.

Have you ever wondered why Islam would adopt a symbol more ancient than Islam itself ? I do not claim to know the truth, but I seek knowledge. And I try to be a bit humble when it comes to be the holder of infinite truth. I find the excavations at Hazor in Palestine very interesting though.

[TaiQiDao]

ZeAwakening Great VID!!! all of the Coments seems to suck tho...

[alhussaini]

lol why does the Population of Sunnis keep rising? first it was 75 % now ppl are like 80,85,90 and that dumbass

nashenas786 is like 94%?

fucking retards somoones gonna be like Shia are .000000001 % of the population.

Dumbass Sunni stats.

[qasim88]

Haha it is the Shiahs who believe this, not Sunnis who equate for over 90% of the muslim population.

[erminatti]

Actually Islam calls people to reason their way toward belief. I challenge you to read the Qur'an in it's entirety.

[nashenas786]

no its not a debate. its a matter of belief. shias believe in 12 imams and sunnis dont. 94%of the islamic population is Sunni and they dont believe that. I just think thats important to consider. There is no right and wrong, people believe what they believe. How they want to reach enlightenment is their business.

[JSpot999]

with false information.if u claim to be so religious as u are, u should search for what is really the truth and not occupy urself with things that dont matter. Zeitgeist might be not entirely true, but the message in it is clear. we should not take everything so litterary and search for the message within religion, people who let themselves fool by every word written in those books are not wise, if u are a strong person u should know for yourself what the truth contains.

[JSpot999]

U shaheedway are really are blind for the things that really matter. If Mohammed was on that list it meant that they might made a mistake, if they corrected it, the better for u, if u fabricated it, i think ur crazy, if someone else fabricated it and u took it as right information and im pointing u on it, than u should be happy that i did so, that u are not occupying urself with

[JSpot999]

Eh, to shaheedway who is too much of a coward to unblock me on his own profile:

I don't think anything, I don't judge anything, I am just saying that U are basing urself on false information, it can be perfectly true that someone else fabricated the list, but at least u should be man enough to admit that u did make a mistake, i have that documentary since it was released,mohammed isnt on it and what if he even was? then u are just picking on a stupid detail.

[nashenas786]

Good job. It is true the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) and Jesus Christ (AWS), were believed to perform miracles from God, however theres one thing u are mistaken. Muhammad did not have 12 disciples according to Sunni Islam which is the majority sect of the religion. Only shias believe he had 12 disciples. Sunni islam was founded before shia islam and it is the original islamic faith, so maybe u should say according to shias he had 12 disciples. Other than that, awesome job. :D

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[shaheedWay]

to JSpot999

haahha you think i fabricated that list ?

omg your a funny

Tell me did i fabricated this guys videos too?

watch?v=Ba8ZvE_-h1U

[JSpot999]

let´s take a look to shaheedways new video, he has made up another lie. I have to original version on my computer and there is no updated version, and even if there was, it would have only meant that they corrected their mistake, and that would only be a good thing for islam, so what is the problem here? i know he is reading this and that he blocked me, but you can´t keep the truth from me..

[JSpot999]

ShaheedWay is a creep. he lies. he made a FAKE VIDEO. I posted the same comment to his video he selected it as spam and removed it, while all i am doing is telling the truth about his video, that MOHAMMED IS NOT ON THE LIST WITH NAMES IN THE ORIGINAL VIDEO. Can someone make a video from this please, to see it with your own eyes?

[JSpot999]

The video on which this video is a response, is fake. the guy who claims that Mohammed is on the list with names who have the same characteristics,is lying. Mohammed is not mentioned on the list,if you compare his list, and the original list, (18.04 on the movie on the internet) you can see that the list ends with prometheus of caucasus. there is no mohammed. this video is a sceam and it totally makes no sense. i hope you all will notice it, cause that lie is the most stupid one i´ve ever heard.

[lightmanx]

Wow, see how religion blinds people? OK muslim boy, here is what he is trying to say, Allahs miricles were performed through Muhammad. Just as God's were performed through Jesus. However you view it, they still came through them both. Therefore even though he was the vessel, he still performed them. It is a simple thing, but when confronted with facts, religious zealots will always refer to them as lies. Brainwashing?

[shaheedWay]

If you Agree then you should know that saying something only Allah can do would be Haraam to say man can do?

Praise Be to Allah(swt) who can do such things.

[shaheedWay]

you can have all the fake Islamic Propaganda you want but no one will believe you lies !

All miracles come from Allah(swt) Alone and im Glad your making people see this.

[shaheedWay]

The Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) never did any miracles, It was Allah(swt) who does all miracles.