Just to think Liverpool the reigning double winners and yet not even 30,000 could be bothered to turn up surely the train fare couldn't have cost that much for the plastic Liverpool fans in the south back then lol
It was Liverpool that were ignored. In 1985, Manchester United were top of the league at christmas and the media crowned them champions. At Christmas? They finished 4th. The reason was, the vastly over-rated Bryan Robson, who according to the media was world class was yet again injured and the rest of the team and including Robson were all drunk, Now you cannot win anything when you've got a team of alcoholics. And United did, however the media never mentioned this.
What caused Liverpools hatred of Manchester United was down to two things. One being Alex Ferguson, the other being the media. When Liverpool ruled English football and will do again shortly, the media fawned over Manchester United, they got nothing but sympathy, having players knighted for surviving a plane crash didn't help matters either.
@alslevie1986 I don't recall it being like that. The Media had their tongues so firmly in ring of Liverpool that Man U were largely ignored, along with everyone else. And I'm a Spurs fan, so I have no bias here. Not sure you're right on the Knighthood thing either...check their credentials again and don't be bitter.
@MrRee1000 This was during the 80s when football was at a low ebb due to the years of trouble and low investment by clubs.Every team's gates were poor at this time. It's difficult to imagine in these days of wall to wall coverage that there was a time when football really wasn't all that popular.
Know your facts before posting tripe. Anfield held 45,000 then - does the ground look half full? Clubs back then would under state their crowds for the tv games to boost the compensation they would get from the tv company. This was a golden age of football. Hooliganism wa snot as rife as you would think. The fans were real fans back then, mostly local and not tourists form all over. Real passion & noise and you could pay cash to go and see the game. It was cheap.
Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.
@Moss235 absolutely certain. 25,856 to be fair. there were 29,245 at stamford bridge for the corresponding fixture that season. that's where we were when we were shit!
@rgtteacher Liverpool weren't shit then though, although the 86/87 season seemed to be a sign of things to come, looking at the ground though it seemed quite full so I refuse to believe that 25000 was all that was there, I will look it up now as I'm intruiged by this
2 weeks before Xmas and the game is live on tv- the crowd would always be low. But as i've said tv crowds were always understated for tv compensation and all crwods were understated to avoid taxes. The returning game at Chelsea was a beautiful sunny way in May, Rush's last game. Liverpool i'm sure had a higher average attendance over the whole season despite some areas of the city having 25% unemployment thanks to Maggie
@rgtteacher I stand corrected I have looked it up and you are right! How come LIverpool had so few in attendance then, I always thought they got big crowds for every game back in the 80s
@rgtteacher Oh ok, I did notice whilst looking through that they were very inconsistent e.g one of Liverpools games a few weeks later got 40000.
I was 7 years old at this time and only just beginning to notice football so crowd numbers werent as noticable to me back then only the result, I believe this season for Liverpool was almost a sign of things to come
@Moss235 haha well i wouldn't worry about that. west ham can talk, they're the first team to sing 'where were you when you were shit' to chelsea, but i've been at upton park when there's no more than 16,000 people there a good few times!
@Blueyy LOL thanks, I'm not sure whether Chelsea can ever be as big as Liverpool/Man United, I think you need to build up a history as the two big clubs has
@Moss235 to be honest I don't think any real Chelsea fan claims to be as big as Man Utd or Liverpool (at least re fanbase), but ask a fan of any club and they all have their own history even if that doesn't equate to trophies. My most enjoyable days at Chelsea were in the mid 80's when getting top 5 was a massive achievement. All the success my team are getting now is just a bonus mate
@Moss235 COUNTLESS TIMES LIVERPOOL GOT GATES UNDER 30.000 IN THE 19.80s. LIVERPOOL HAD WON THE DOUBLE SEASON BEFORE WAS ABOUT £4 TO STAND ON COP. ABOUT 3.000 WERE CHELSEA FANS A PATHETIC GATE. IF CHELSEA GOT 25.856 AFTER WINNING DOUBLE WHAT WOULD LIVERPOOL FANS SAY OK FOR THEM LIVERPOOL GREAT SUPPORT A TOTAL MYTH
You fucking blert. You obviously know absolutely nothing about football in the 80's. Read some history and you may get some understanding of the economic and social reasons behind the poor gates AT EVERY GROUND at this time. But then if you 'support' a bunch of chav rentboys you will have no knowledge of history.
@redmachine7 fair enough but why all the bollocks about what great support you had years later. why did liverpool cut capacity to 45.000 in 82 what excuse now! man utd got far bigger gates than liverpool even when man utd were shit and not winning the title. economics clearly didnt affect man utd in the same way so a very poor excuse you pathetic cunt. i know my team didnt win titles to gates of under 30.000 like liverpool when the kop was less than £2 to get into you PATHETIC CUNT
@redmachine7 thats why i had a season ticket and mised 1 home game 83 onwards you clueless clown. thats why i went liverpool every chelsea game played at liverpool in the 80s. your a pathetic c luless cunt who knows fuck all. ive won so many bets and proved so many people wrong over the years ive lost count thats how much i know nothing you PRICK
@redmachine7 if man utd won what liverpool won in the 80s man utd would have got even bigger gates than the big gates man utd got. most prob would have got 50k every home game. i dont call man utd gates poor. 85/86 liverpool did the double average gate 31k yet man utd 45k clearly economics didnt affect man utd so proves what you say is a pathetic excuse. the fact you try to proves its an issue that dont sit well with lpool fans. for lpool won gates were shit fuck economics you prick
Know your facts. Liverpool's economy was on its arse yet they still had the second highest attendance after Man U (36k average n 1986/87). Man Utd only had bigger crowds coz all the glory hunters from all over followed them. They were the glamour club which all started after the Munich air crash. Different era but it was much better thna today's mediocre corporate run business.
@distantvoices ''Glory Hunters from all over followed them'' lol How were they glory hunters? They hadn't won the league in 20 years and only won 3 FA Cup's since winning the European Cup in 1968. Oh, and I thought Uniteds glory hunters only started supporting them in the 1990's. And another myth ''all started after the Munich air crash'' what rubbish, check Uniteds attendances in the 1940's/50's, and no they weren't travelling up from Devon back then!
Glory does not necessarily mean trophies. Man U always had large nationwide support going back to Munich. Then you had the legacy of the 60s and Best, Law, Charlton.
In the 70s in the second division they averaged 50,000.
The 1980s saw them as the media darlings in the UK and every kid all over the UK seemed to support them. Liverpool were often overlooked and derided as boring & a 'Red Machine'. All this lead to hostility between both fans.
@Sunstroker the only good thing about city potentially being the top team in europe is seeing united get the biggest crowds in england, no matter how good city might get.
The hostility between Man Utd and Liverpool really started happening after Liverpool won back to back European Cups in 1977 and 1978.
Man Utd didn't really hate Liverpool before Liverpool won the European Cup. Then when Liverpool became the first English club to win the European Cup twice the animosity set in and when Liverpool won it again and again the Mancs hated it.
Compare the 1977 F.A cup vs the 1979 F.A Cup semi.
They also hated the media fawning over the Spion Kop
""The 1980s saw them as the media darlings in the UK and every kid all over the UK seemed to support them.""
No.
More kids in my school in London supported Liverpool rather than Man Utd. These kids have now grown up and that's why Liverpool are so well supported countrywide.
@LaughingGravy31 So true....I grew up in Ireland....Liverpool fans far outnumbered United fans at my school......any gloryhunting kid in the 80's would have started following Liverpool.
fuck u ! i grew up in dublin! Utd had more fans in my school in cabra early eighties than loonypool. It was Utd first liverpool second then in the distance arsenal or spurs....dont try that shite on with me....
@73reider LOL "try that shite on with me" I'm a United fan! I went to primary school in the North of Ireland during the late 1980's and Liverpool were the best supported team in my class and I won't forget it because I got endless abuse for being a United fan!
You fucking blert. You obviously know absolutely nothing about football in the 80's. Read some history and you may get some understanding of the economic and social reasons behind the poor gates AT EVERY GROUND at this time. But then if you 'support' a bunch of chav rentboys you will have no knowledge of history.
Also we were playing a shit team bottom of the league, we had so many important games then that we sometimes didn't show up in force for games agaisnt the small teams.
The crowd for that game was probably nearer 35,000 (does the ground loook half empty to you?) Only Man Utd had bigger crowds back then as they had national support. Football had its place back then not like today's 24/7 bullshit
@simon1970100 and to think Liverpool had a much better team then and it was far more affordable, people will pay almost £40 to watch players like Lucas, wheras they couldn't sell out when players like Hansen/Rush played
An entire new middle class football fan was marketed after euro 96 who is happy to pay out 45 quid to watch average footballers in a souless stadium.
Just to think Liverpool the reigning double winners and yet not even 30,000 could be bothered to turn up surely the train fare couldn't have cost that much for the plastic Liverpool fans in the south back then lol
1life1love1clubCFC 14 hours ago
@HitmeQuick.
It was Liverpool that were ignored. In 1985, Manchester United were top of the league at christmas and the media crowned them champions. At Christmas? They finished 4th. The reason was, the vastly over-rated Bryan Robson, who according to the media was world class was yet again injured and the rest of the team and including Robson were all drunk, Now you cannot win anything when you've got a team of alcoholics. And United did, however the media never mentioned this.
alslevie1986 1 day ago
I remember this like it was yesterday. You have to say, YouTube is a fucking class idea.
HitMeQuick 2 days ago
United 4 life !!!
NIKIMBO 1 week ago
chelsea emblem looked different :)
ManUnitedMedia 1 week ago
What caused Liverpools hatred of Manchester United was down to two things. One being Alex Ferguson, the other being the media. When Liverpool ruled English football and will do again shortly, the media fawned over Manchester United, they got nothing but sympathy, having players knighted for surviving a plane crash didn't help matters either.
alslevie1986 2 weeks ago
@alslevie1986 I don't recall it being like that. The Media had their tongues so firmly in ring of Liverpool that Man U were largely ignored, along with everyone else. And I'm a Spurs fan, so I have no bias here. Not sure you're right on the Knighthood thing either...check their credentials again and don't be bitter.
HitMeQuick 2 days ago
"European Cup Winners' Cup", that competition sure confused the &$*% out me growing up in America.
the2ndmills 2 weeks ago
If Anfield was half full for this game then I have a 15 inch cock.
There are at least 40,000 there.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
Back when English players still dominated. Sad the way football was hijacked by the middle class.
FallFanCan 1 month ago
The golden age of football- real players and real fans. Listen to that noise. You wont get that today as the real fans are priced out of the game.
distantvoices 1 month ago in playlist Liverpool
@distantvoices i agree young lads on the dole could afford to to goodison/anfield back in the 80s
TheCasao86 1 month ago
Liverpool only got a crowd of 25k for this game truly pathetic when you consider that this match took place in their glory era.
MrRee1000 1 month ago
@MrRee1000 This was during the 80s when football was at a low ebb due to the years of trouble and low investment by clubs.Every team's gates were poor at this time. It's difficult to imagine in these days of wall to wall coverage that there was a time when football really wasn't all that popular.
linara21 1 month ago
@MrRee1000
Know your facts before posting tripe. Anfield held 45,000 then - does the ground look half full? Clubs back then would under state their crowds for the tv games to boost the compensation they would get from the tv company. This was a golden age of football. Hooliganism wa snot as rife as you would think. The fans were real fans back then, mostly local and not tourists form all over. Real passion & noise and you could pay cash to go and see the game. It was cheap.
distantvoices 1 month ago in playlist Liverpool
@MrRee1000 ? maybe cause there fans are FROM liverpool and not africa
conzj484 3 weeks ago
Only 1 sub? o.o
busteddon 2 months ago
Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:12
JesusChristusDominus 2 months ago
who is beglin?
FernandoNINETorres 3 months ago
@FernandoNINETorres Jim beglin - google images him up. he had to retire at an early age due to injury.
carpdiem88 2 months ago
@carpdiem88 works on itv. had some bad injuries. thanks
FernandoNINETorres 2 months ago
@FernandoNINETorres jim begglin
kisamakara 2 months ago
@FernandoNINETorres Jim Beglin is an ex Irish International and Liverpool player, he occasionally appears on Gilette Soccer Saturday nowdays.
MeBenHalpin 1 month ago
Hell of an intro!
zekeboy24 4 months ago
lol the intro!
AliasLykken 5 months ago
2:58 1 sub!! haha i'd forgotten all about that, i remember when they introduced two subs and everyone was made up!
dwinCeffyl 6 months ago
love barry davies commentating
asmartcunt 6 months ago
@asmartcunt
So stylish was the coverage back then. A 5 minute intro not like the endless American style hype we have today thanks to Sly Sports.
distantvoices 1 month ago
chin on him
lfc011 10 months ago
Spackman & Speedie joined the reds.
RTWUROTTS 1 year ago
those were the days
monsopiadpogunon 1 year ago
all you can hear is chelsea fans
bluegraham1 1 year ago
@bluegraham1
TBH i can DEFINITELY hear Liverpool fans @ 4:32 when Dublin touches the ball...
--____--
supahdupahguy81 1 year ago
@bluegraham1
er no.. Whelan & McMahon's name are chanted along with Liverpool, Liverpool..blue n white shite..and ..you're going down with United.
Don't let your ears deceive you
distantvoices 1 month ago
COME ON CHELS!
templarx122 1 year ago
this game was 14th December 1986 for sure. crowd of 25,856 at anfield.
how many were chelsea?
enough to win the fight!!
rgtteacher 1 year ago
@rgtteacher are you sure only 25,000 Anfield could hold 45000 then, I cant imagine in those days fans wouldnt turn up
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 absolutely certain. 25,856 to be fair. there were 29,245 at stamford bridge for the corresponding fixture that season. that's where we were when we were shit!
rgtteacher 1 year ago
@rgtteacher Liverpool weren't shit then though, although the 86/87 season seemed to be a sign of things to come, looking at the ground though it seemed quite full so I refuse to believe that 25000 was all that was there, I will look it up now as I'm intruiged by this
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235
2 weeks before Xmas and the game is live on tv- the crowd would always be low. But as i've said tv crowds were always understated for tv compensation and all crwods were understated to avoid taxes. The returning game at Chelsea was a beautiful sunny way in May, Rush's last game. Liverpool i'm sure had a higher average attendance over the whole season despite some areas of the city having 25% unemployment thanks to Maggie
distantvoices 1 month ago
@rgtteacher I stand corrected I have looked it up and you are right! How come LIverpool had so few in attendance then, I always thought they got big crowds for every game back in the 80s
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 attendances on the whole were down in the 80s all over the country. due to loads of factors, the violence being a significant one of them.
rgtteacher 1 year ago
@rgtteacher Oh ok, I did notice whilst looking through that they were very inconsistent e.g one of Liverpools games a few weeks later got 40000.
I was 7 years old at this time and only just beginning to notice football so crowd numbers werent as noticable to me back then only the result, I believe this season for Liverpool was almost a sign of things to come
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 i was exactly the same age! i was at this game and inconsistency was definietly the story throughout the 80s in terms of attendance.
there were the glamour ties and then there were the games most people dare not seem to go to.
rgtteacher 1 year ago
@rgtteacher Like the West Ham game on monday night, although I cant say much as it was the first time I'd been to Anfield since 1996
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 haha well i wouldn't worry about that. west ham can talk, they're the first team to sing 'where were you when you were shit' to chelsea, but i've been at upton park when there's no more than 16,000 people there a good few times!
rgtteacher 1 year ago
@rgtteacher
I guess you are a Chelsea fan then, I know a lot of Chelsea fans who say that a lot of home fans sing that to the jolly come lately's.
Still Chelsea have always been a fairly big club just now they will obviously be building a fanbase that will make them very big in 10 years time,
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 - good to see someone who talks some sense mate
Blueyy 1 year ago
@Blueyy LOL thanks, I'm not sure whether Chelsea can ever be as big as Liverpool/Man United, I think you need to build up a history as the two big clubs has
Moss235 1 year ago
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@Moss235 to be honest I don't think any real Chelsea fan claims to be as big as Man Utd or Liverpool (at least re fanbase), but ask a fan of any club and they all have their own history even if that doesn't equate to trophies. My most enjoyable days at Chelsea were in the mid 80's when getting top 5 was a massive achievement. All the success my team are getting now is just a bonus mate
Blueyy 1 year ago
@Moss235 COUNTLESS TIMES LIVERPOOL GOT GATES UNDER 30.000 IN THE 19.80s. LIVERPOOL HAD WON THE DOUBLE SEASON BEFORE WAS ABOUT £4 TO STAND ON COP. ABOUT 3.000 WERE CHELSEA FANS A PATHETIC GATE. IF CHELSEA GOT 25.856 AFTER WINNING DOUBLE WHAT WOULD LIVERPOOL FANS SAY OK FOR THEM LIVERPOOL GREAT SUPPORT A TOTAL MYTH
razer4660 1 year ago
@razer4660
You fucking blert. You obviously know absolutely nothing about football in the 80's. Read some history and you may get some understanding of the economic and social reasons behind the poor gates AT EVERY GROUND at this time. But then if you 'support' a bunch of chav rentboys you will have no knowledge of history.
redmachine7 1 year ago
@redmachine7 fair enough but why all the bollocks about what great support you had years later. why did liverpool cut capacity to 45.000 in 82 what excuse now! man utd got far bigger gates than liverpool even when man utd were shit and not winning the title. economics clearly didnt affect man utd in the same way so a very poor excuse you pathetic cunt. i know my team didnt win titles to gates of under 30.000 like liverpool when the kop was less than £2 to get into you PATHETIC CUNT
razer4660 1 year ago
@razer4660
""why did liverpool cut capacity to 45.000 in 82""
Doh!
The put SEATS in the Anfield road end and the main stand Paddock.
Wakey wakey.
Previously, too much of Anfield was standing so they put more seats in.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@redmachine7 thats why i had a season ticket and mised 1 home game 83 onwards you clueless clown. thats why i went liverpool every chelsea game played at liverpool in the 80s. your a pathetic c luless cunt who knows fuck all. ive won so many bets and proved so many people wrong over the years ive lost count thats how much i know nothing you PRICK
razer4660 1 year ago
@redmachine7 if man utd won what liverpool won in the 80s man utd would have got even bigger gates than the big gates man utd got. most prob would have got 50k every home game. i dont call man utd gates poor. 85/86 liverpool did the double average gate 31k yet man utd 45k clearly economics didnt affect man utd so proves what you say is a pathetic excuse. the fact you try to proves its an issue that dont sit well with lpool fans. for lpool won gates were shit fuck economics you prick
razer4660 1 year ago
@razer4660
Know your facts. Liverpool's economy was on its arse yet they still had the second highest attendance after Man U (36k average n 1986/87). Man Utd only had bigger crowds coz all the glory hunters from all over followed them. They were the glamour club which all started after the Munich air crash. Different era but it was much better thna today's mediocre corporate run business.
distantvoices 1 month ago
@distantvoices ''Glory Hunters from all over followed them'' lol How were they glory hunters? They hadn't won the league in 20 years and only won 3 FA Cup's since winning the European Cup in 1968. Oh, and I thought Uniteds glory hunters only started supporting them in the 1990's. And another myth ''all started after the Munich air crash'' what rubbish, check Uniteds attendances in the 1940's/50's, and no they weren't travelling up from Devon back then!
Sunstroker 1 month ago 4
@Sunstroker
Glory does not necessarily mean trophies. Man U always had large nationwide support going back to Munich. Then you had the legacy of the 60s and Best, Law, Charlton.
In the 70s in the second division they averaged 50,000.
The 1980s saw them as the media darlings in the UK and every kid all over the UK seemed to support them. Liverpool were often overlooked and derided as boring & a 'Red Machine'. All this lead to hostility between both fans.
distantvoices 1 month ago
@distantvoices even before munich united had the biggest crowds, people always say its because of munich but its not.
Liam2621 1 month ago
Best crowds in Manchester before Munich too and they weren't travelling from London, Devon, Surrey, Ireland, Norway back then!
Sunstroker 1 month ago
@Sunstroker the only good thing about city potentially being the top team in europe is seeing united get the biggest crowds in england, no matter how good city might get.
Liam2621 1 month ago
@Liam2621 and there all from the south
conzj484 3 weeks ago
@conzj484 whos from the south?
Liam2621 3 weeks ago
@Liam2621 the man united fans, none are from manchester
conzj484 3 weeks ago
@conzj484 "The myth that no United fans come from Manchester is encouraged by the media and City fans alike.
The media tray and portray little City as the locals club and United as the world wide beast.
The fact is two thirds of Mancunians support United and one third City.
No amount of media or City hype can cover that fact."
Anthony H Wilson - 2001
Sunstroker 1 week ago 2
@distantvoices
The hostility between Man Utd and Liverpool really started happening after Liverpool won back to back European Cups in 1977 and 1978.
Man Utd didn't really hate Liverpool before Liverpool won the European Cup. Then when Liverpool became the first English club to win the European Cup twice the animosity set in and when Liverpool won it again and again the Mancs hated it.
Compare the 1977 F.A cup vs the 1979 F.A Cup semi.
They also hated the media fawning over the Spion Kop
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@distantvoices
""The 1980s saw them as the media darlings in the UK and every kid all over the UK seemed to support them.""
No.
More kids in my school in London supported Liverpool rather than Man Utd. These kids have now grown up and that's why Liverpool are so well supported countrywide.
LaughingGravy31 3 weeks ago
@LaughingGravy31 So true....I grew up in Ireland....Liverpool fans far outnumbered United fans at my school......any gloryhunting kid in the 80's would have started following Liverpool.
Sunstroker 1 week ago
fuck u ! i grew up in dublin! Utd had more fans in my school in cabra early eighties than loonypool. It was Utd first liverpool second then in the distance arsenal or spurs....dont try that shite on with me....
73reider 1 week ago
@73reider LOL "try that shite on with me" I'm a United fan! I went to primary school in the North of Ireland during the late 1980's and Liverpool were the best supported team in my class and I won't forget it because I got endless abuse for being a United fan!
Sunstroker 1 week ago
@razer4660
You fucking blert. You obviously know absolutely nothing about football in the 80's. Read some history and you may get some understanding of the economic and social reasons behind the poor gates AT EVERY GROUND at this time. But then if you 'support' a bunch of chav rentboys you will have no knowledge of history.
Also we were playing a shit team bottom of the league, we had so many important games then that we sometimes didn't show up in force for games agaisnt the small teams.
redmachine7 1 year ago
@razer4660
The crowd for that game was probably nearer 35,000 (does the ground loook half empty to you?) Only Man Utd had bigger crowds back then as they had national support. Football had its place back then not like today's 24/7 bullshit
distantvoices 1 month ago
what a pathetic gate 25.856 just a few months after liverpool won the double. anfield wasnt soldout countless times in them days
simon1970100 1 year ago
@simon1970100 and to think Liverpool had a much better team then and it was far more affordable, people will pay almost £40 to watch players like Lucas, wheras they couldn't sell out when players like Hansen/Rush played
Moss235 1 year ago
@Moss235 agreed
monsopiadpogunon 1 year ago
@Moss235
An entire new middle class football fan was marketed after euro 96 who is happy to pay out 45 quid to watch average footballers in a souless stadium.
distantvoices 1 month ago
My mistake. sorry
hoot72 2 years ago
was there major aggro after the game how many did chelsea bring to anfield for this game
TheCasao86 2 years ago
Venison joined in 1986
FootballonDVD 2 years ago
Are you sure this is 86-87? Venison didn't join till much much later.
hoot72 2 years ago
Yep, 86/87
FootballonDVD 2 years ago
I hate that big chinned git.
BlinkandDie 2 years ago