This is the closest that Science Fiction ever came to presenting an allusion to PROCREATIONAL AS APPOSED TO RECREATIONAL REPRODUCTION.and this was within the confines of space movies. It's not just to reproduce the same old obsolete human image, but a better, more lasting and more effective image into physical creation that was noted in this clip.
I don't want to start an argument with this, but V'Ger can't have any connection with the Borg. The level of technology of the machine planet is far too advanced for the Borg, etc., etc. It's really stretching too far and warping too many things to connect V'Ger or what re-fitted it with the Borg. V'Ger is not part organic, even if it is self-aware. There are just some superficial similarities with the Borg. Let V'Ger stand or fall on it's own terms.
@DaveM599 Perhaps there is no connection but Spock says "Resistance is futile, captain" or "would be", can't remember which. It's possible V'Ger had some kind of influence when the Borg were being made for the Star Trek universe. The same synths (in the music) that were used to represent the Borg in First Contact were also used to represent V'Ger. Honestly, connecting the Borg with the machine planet would be pretty interesting in my opinion.
@Snargifer The synths are similar because Goldsmith scored both movies and I think he may have used the Blaster Beam again in First Contact, although very subtlely that time as it's not clear if it's the actual B.B. or a synth equivalent.
@DaveM599 yeh that's right ,I don't know why they say v'ger has a connection to the borg , v'ger is way more advanced , if the borg had that technology they would conquer the universe. I think roddenberry himself started the rumor off, but he was joking .
Despite how this one was too ambient for my taste, I still like this Star Trek a lot but I do prefer the more adult ones like Wrath Of Khan, Search For Spock and The Undiscovered Country and The Next generation Treks.
This is definitely my favorite Star Trek movie. Unfortunate that the movie was on such a strict deadline and that the version in theaters was really a rough draft and that the finished version was the director's cut released on DVD. Underrated and never got the appreciation it deserved. It had the best special effects and music of the six movies with the original cast, and the story was better than people think. I also like the 2001 elements in the movie.
@norsemustang I completely agree. although the wrath of khan is excellent. The Motion Picture is epic in story, scope and vision. Great soundtrack too.
@hcm9999 So I'm NOT the only one who's heard that V'Ger and the Borg are connected somehow...though I will politely disagree that V'Ger itself eventually evolved into the Collective; the implication was that when Decker and V'Ger/Ilia merged, that they both literally evolved into a higher state of being-- which would explain why V'Ger just suddenly goes 'poof' at the end, leaving Enterprise alone in space.
can`t understand why this film was panned, for me, its the best star trek film, the story was an embellishment, of the changling episode but without loop holes in the plot
This could have been one of greatest science fiction films ever if it wasn't for the star trek elements dragging it down. The story is mind boggling, the effects are great, the soundtrack is a masterpiece and Persis Khambatta is incredibly sexy. Robert Wise, a pacifist at heart, was a genius.
It's more likely that this was the beginning of the Q than the Borg, since V'ger's quest was to grasp an understanding of things beyond logical comprehension while the Borg have no interest in such matters.
@AxelIngleson That's what I thought too. A creature as advanced as V'ger + Human Emotion and ideas could have easily zipped back in time and became the Q Continuum. They HAVE always taken an interest in humans, after all.
@w4wxp Funny...according to what I've heard, most people draw a connection between V'Ger and the Borg, not V'Ger and the Q-- or at least, the same race of sentient machines that reshaped Voyager into what it was in this movie at least had a hand in the creation of the Collective; I don't think they ARE the Collective, because at heart, V'Ger's directive was only to gather knowledge, unlike the Borg, which is to assimilate everyone and everything into themselves.
Spock said that it ammassed so much data on its journey that it gained consciousness and wanted to fulfill its programming. Decker simply wanted to go to the next level. Is this where 'The Borg' took on human form? After all, Spock did say that we may be witnessing another step in human evolution, to which Kirk said he hopes they got it off to a good start.
I would assume that V'Ger easily encountered Borg ships on its journey throught the galaxy and absorbed them too, just like everything else it encountered. I am sure that most every alien soecies is in 'V'Ger in some fashion due to absorbtion.
This kind of motion picture screen writing absorbs well beyond TV, radio, internet, recordings, and the like: holding death at bay and presenting a second chance at life.
How many times in the Star Trek timeline was Earth directly attacked? lets see 1.Borg First contact,-2063 2.Xindi prototype-2153 3.Xindi superweapon-2154 4.Terra Prime-2155 5.Earth/Romulan War-2156-2160??? 6.V'Ger incident-2272 7.Alien Probe-2286 8.Borg Cube-2367 9.Second Borg Cube-2373 10.Breen Confederacy-2375 11.Failed attempt by Praetor Shinzon-2379.
I don't think V'Ger could possilby have any connection with the Borg. It's a likely as Decker & Ilia being the basis of the Q's coming into existence.
@dafmurray That's what I've always wondered. Such an insanely powerful creature as V'ger, given a human element of emotion and imagination, could have easily gone back in time and became the Q Continuum. Temporal Loop.
The original cinema/VHS release featured the Blaster Beam as the V'Ger ship dissovles in that beautiful light show from which the Enterprise emerges and the effect was much better than the DVD version of the cue.
Because having a girlfriend is one thing, deliberately evolving into a new life form (thus giving up your starfleet pension) is something else. Even as a kid I thought Decker was a shmuck, and I guess it has something to do with his decision being inadequately motivated in the context of the action. Of course, as a kid I just thought the whole movie was lousy...
You have a good point. I agree with you that there really wasn't a good motivation presented to the audience. I guess in my mind I thought that he felt that having his girlfriend turned into an unfeeling drone was a bad deal and that, in addition to the prospect of playing second fiddle for the rest of his Starfleet career, maybe he didn't have anything else to live for as a human being.
In reality though, it feels like a cop-out on his part.
@goback3spaces think of him as just another redshirt; except he had a bigger role and his shirt was blue. he was the only non-main cast in the away party(ilia was an essential character to the story), he had crappy decision making skills, and was an arrogant young man(or a "mr. adventure" if you will)
@jar0fdirt63 Yeah, sure, I'm willing to agree with that, but I'll go farther. With the exception of some of VOYAGER and maybe some of the animated series of the 70s (as far as I remember it), the entire STAR TREK output after TOS (including the well-received movie of last year) is a complete waste of time. It's just a lot of multi-colored goo flying at you, without the magic of TOS.
@goback3spaces hmm. well i like TOS and TNG and that's pretty much it. TNG was had class, good characters, and brain candy like TOS, along with good effects that gene never had in the original series. but the new movie wasn't that bad, the lens-flares rlly bothered me though. lol ****LENZ FLARE!!***** ahh my eyes
@jar0fdirt63 Screw the effects. STAR TREK isn't about effects. It's about human drama and human comedy. The cast and the writing of TOS could not be improved upon, particularly in our post-literate, effects-drunk age. The first ST movie was the beginning of the end, and the deterioration continues to this day.
@goback3spaces jeez calm down, man! i know i know, back then effects actually enhanced the story and now it's just for show. research shows that the average human has a shorter attention span than that of back then, so i guess "lens flares" and cgi will be expected from now on AND EVERYTHING WILL SUCK AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. jeez it's not THAT bad, we can rebuild! our way of thinking can change and along with that the entertainment industry.
@jar0fdirt63 perhaps someone will come along and make a great old-school science fiction motion picture with lighting tricks and mirror/perspective tricks and puppets and claymation and models and most importantly, a good story. we're coming around, everybody is finally realising their faulty ways and are looking for ways to improve themselves
@goback3spaces or we trekkies could try to get jobs as writers for paramount, and set up a website for trekkie suggestions for new episodes/movies! everyone online is talking about ideas for a new TNG movie in which Q brings Data back. the thing is brent spiner wouldn't want to be data again because he's "too old". BUT he might agree to using "performance capture" (like in avatar) to make him look younger. patrick stewart and ian mckellen did that in one of the xmen movies and it worked!
@jar0fdirt63 I disagree with that approach. It's a constructive suggestion, but it's not to my taste. See, this franchise is so popular that they have almost unlimited funds to do whatever they want, and it doesn't necessary have to be objectively "good." Remember that TMP was a terrible film, yet it made a fortune. The execs know this. They don't care what they do as long as the beast is fed, as it were. So I say, just trash the whole thing by refusing to show up. And keep watching TOS.
@goback3spaces hey tmp had some brain candy, the relatiponship with machine and man and how machines are our kind of children. yes, it stole from a bit of asimov's book i,robot, but he was the science consultant. and boycotting new star trek may kill the whole franchise forever! have you seen the "new voyages" series? people were tired of having no more tos and decided to make their own. they have a real life full-scale set and tons of the original stars have made appearances on their show.
@jar0fdirt63 Yeah, I've heard about that, and I'm a bit curious about it, but haven't gotten around to check it out yet. You're clearly very knowledgeable, and I respect you for that (how many shmuck ST fans today even know who Asimov was?) but I'm more interested in drama than science fiction, and Star Trek for me was essentially a drama with comedic overtones. I'm not enthralled by perennial SF themes like Man vs. Machine. I say, purify the battlefield by wiping all this crap away.
@goback3spaces Star trek: phase II and new voyages are great. they have way better writing than the abrams version(and better casting).although i was impressed by karl urban's mccoy(urban's a hard-core trekkie and knew what he was doing). Star Trek REALLY got me into science fiction(although i was already star wars and jules verne fan beforehand). i listened to talks that roddenberry gave at cons/universities and became even MORE inspired. he's bffs w/ asimov and bradbury and other scifi writers
@jar0fdirt63 I went through a Verne phase myself. Let me make a recommendation to you: on youtube type in SPOCK'S BRAIN LIVE AT THE IMPROV to see a stage version of the first two scenes of "Spock's Brain," as done for laughs by professional actors. It's an inspired parody, while at the same time a respectful "homage," to use a word that people generally overuse!
@goback3spaces haha that was hilarious! have you seen the "trekkies" movies? they mention tons of trek-inspired things like this, including hysterical star trek adaptation of romeo and juliet.
@jar0fdirt63 I know of the "trekkies" documentary, but I'm almost afraid to watch it because I'm one of "them." Back in grade school, I was hardcore. I fashioned my bedroom to resemble the bridge, and rattled off lines from TOS so fluently (and without context) that nobody knew what I was talking about. When I was a kid, STAR TREK was my life! I still think it's the greatest TV show ever. Maybe that's why I'm so intolerant/disappointed by all the films/series that followed.
@goback3spaces i grew up w/ the star wars prequels and 90's cartoons. later i did more research and came to appreciate the classics even more. the 90's were a great time to grow up, but sometimes i think i was born half a century late. back when television was new and children still played outside. we played indiana jones, starwars, pirates of the caribbean, and army =). if we had known about star trek earlier we would have had a blast! now i'm known as the only artist/trekkie girl of the school
@jar0fdirt63 plus trekkies is worth watching. it gives you a similar sense a trekkie pride as the feeling of going to science fiction convention. knowing you're not the only one is great
@goback3spaces haha lol that's ok, i'm used to it. and that's awesome that you made up your room to look like the bridge, we've been working on a huge star trek mural for the basement, based on mid-century comic book style drawing.
@jar0fdirt63 Good for you! The stuff I had as a kid: all the Star Trek Mego toys of the '70. Tricorder, phaser, communicator, bridge console, bridge model, etc. Then there were all the books: ST Concordance, Enterprise blueprints, The Making of Star Trek (which I bought from a friend for five bit-o-honey candies), etc. I still have one or two of these items.
@goback3spaces cool! i wish i was alive when star trek was new. now old merch is vintage and expensive and you can't open it and play with it. sometimes i'll keep new stuff in the box but i get the feeling it will never be valueable
@jar0fdirt63 Well, I was born in '66, so I'm too young to remember it when it was new, but my parents used to tell me how amazing it was in those days, how it was head and shoulders beyond anything anyone had ever seen. I watched the show from a very young age. As for the merchandise, if it's valuable to you, then it IS valuable.
@goback3spaces lol lucky, i wish i was a life-long trekkie, the first star trek movie i ever saw was first contact (saw the last few mins on hbo one late night w/ my parents) the deepest memories of that first time were of the character data and the first contact scene itself. i really liked it! now i can recite it practically by heart, along with most other trek movies (never cared much for V)
The original theatrical version of this scene looks like a bit of more slowly pieced. This one here is like chewed at some moments and I don't like it that.
On the other hand, the entire final scene with V'ger is a rare masterpiece in almost every possible direction and especially the music theme by Jerry Goldsmith.
It's amazing, one of the best sci-fi scenes of all times. Jerry Goldsmith's music is pure beauty, and the meld between Decker, Ilia and V'Ger is....wonderful. I love it!
btw, at 3.00, was that the sound of the enterprise's main engines coming back on line, or the sound of the v'ger spacecraft "exploding", or was it just simply a part of Goldsmith's original score?
If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a star ship is your first best destiny. Anything else, is a waste of material.
I agree, a beautiful sequence. I remember seeing this on TV a while back, and I remember there being a slightly different scene as they show the discharge of energy above the earth. I could swear there was a bit more between that part and the part where the enterprise glides towards the screen! Am I imagining this?
This is the closest that Science Fiction ever came to presenting an allusion to PROCREATIONAL AS APPOSED TO RECREATIONAL REPRODUCTION.and this was within the confines of space movies. It's not just to reproduce the same old obsolete human image, but a better, more lasting and more effective image into physical creation that was noted in this clip.
YeOldClipper 2 days ago
The circle of lights at the 2:51 mark, possibly the true form of the Q?
AxelIngleson 2 months ago
V'ger wouldn't just totally pwn the borg, but everybody else in the entire quadrant.
sibeliandrift 2 months ago
looks like he was in "7th heaven" lolz.
agricola 4 months ago
Decker and Ilia is one of the best love stories in film history.
octopusmagnificens 6 months ago
The visuals are absolutely beautiful and moving at 1:49 to 1:54. No CGI today can match this!
Nowhereman10 7 months ago 6
I don't want to start an argument with this, but V'Ger can't have any connection with the Borg. The level of technology of the machine planet is far too advanced for the Borg, etc., etc. It's really stretching too far and warping too many things to connect V'Ger or what re-fitted it with the Borg. V'Ger is not part organic, even if it is self-aware. There are just some superficial similarities with the Borg. Let V'Ger stand or fall on it's own terms.
DaveM599 7 months ago
@DaveM599 Perhaps there is no connection but Spock says "Resistance is futile, captain" or "would be", can't remember which. It's possible V'Ger had some kind of influence when the Borg were being made for the Star Trek universe. The same synths (in the music) that were used to represent the Borg in First Contact were also used to represent V'Ger. Honestly, connecting the Borg with the machine planet would be pretty interesting in my opinion.
Snargifer 7 months ago
@Snargifer The synths are similar because Goldsmith scored both movies and I think he may have used the Blaster Beam again in First Contact, although very subtlely that time as it's not clear if it's the actual B.B. or a synth equivalent.
Numinous20111 3 months ago
@DaveM599 yeh that's right ,I don't know why they say v'ger has a connection to the borg , v'ger is way more advanced , if the borg had that technology they would conquer the universe. I think roddenberry himself started the rumor off, but he was joking .
TheGlenn9 7 months ago
Ilia is the first Borg Queen, notice the Bald Head!
JENDALL714 8 months ago
I don't get it because I haven't watched the movie in years. What's happening to the guy? Is he like turning into the computer or something? LOL
tall32guy 8 months ago
Despite how this one was too ambient for my taste, I still like this Star Trek a lot but I do prefer the more adult ones like Wrath Of Khan, Search For Spock and The Undiscovered Country and The Next generation Treks.
TonyShow82 9 months ago
Decker finally gets his Ilia. The ending is so romantic. Great musical score too!
CosmicLoveful 1 year ago
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Goldsmith's score is both, epic and evocative. It's an integral part of this movie.
clonard 1 year ago
Goldsmith's is both, epic and evocative. It's an integral part of this movie.
clonard 1 year ago
This is definitely my favorite Star Trek movie. Unfortunate that the movie was on such a strict deadline and that the version in theaters was really a rough draft and that the finished version was the director's cut released on DVD. Underrated and never got the appreciation it deserved. It had the best special effects and music of the six movies with the original cast, and the story was better than people think. I also like the 2001 elements in the movie.
norsemustang 1 year ago 2
@norsemustang I completely agree. although the wrath of khan is excellent. The Motion Picture is epic in story, scope and vision. Great soundtrack too.
clonard 1 year ago
i love this scene in the movie!
nait08 1 year ago
The Borg is born! Ilia became the Borg queen and Decker her first drone.
hcm9999 1 year ago
@hcm9999 So I'm NOT the only one who's heard that V'Ger and the Borg are connected somehow...though I will politely disagree that V'Ger itself eventually evolved into the Collective; the implication was that when Decker and V'Ger/Ilia merged, that they both literally evolved into a higher state of being-- which would explain why V'Ger just suddenly goes 'poof' at the end, leaving Enterprise alone in space.
DorianMichaelsIII 1 year ago
@DorianMichaelsIII
Don't worry! Without the Borg we wouldn't have Seven of Nine!
hcm9999 1 year ago
She looks at him like: " I have you now my man!"
KJOSCOT 1 year ago
Apotheosis....
Man, woman and a machine with infnite knowledge... joined... and a new life form is born...
One of the BEST finales ever ... and the music from the late Maestro Jerry Goldsmith is simply AMAZING !
Thank God I was alive to see this in theatre, at home and now, at the Internet.
It brings tears to my eyes, everytime I see this...
Hope the new generations learn to appreciate this.
Pendragonn4691 1 year ago
I was twelve when I saw this. I wanted what Decker had.
nightflight83 1 year ago
can`t understand why this film was panned, for me, its the best star trek film, the story was an embellishment, of the changling episode but without loop holes in the plot
sirpico123 1 year ago
This could have been one of greatest science fiction films ever if it wasn't for the star trek elements dragging it down. The story is mind boggling, the effects are great, the soundtrack is a masterpiece and Persis Khambatta is incredibly sexy. Robert Wise, a pacifist at heart, was a genius.
WildWongoDriveIn 1 year ago
It's more likely that this was the beginning of the Q than the Borg, since V'ger's quest was to grasp an understanding of things beyond logical comprehension while the Borg have no interest in such matters.
AxelIngleson 1 year ago
@AxelIngleson That's what I thought too. A creature as advanced as V'ger + Human Emotion and ideas could have easily zipped back in time and became the Q Continuum. They HAVE always taken an interest in humans, after all.
w4wxp 1 year ago
@w4wxp Funny...according to what I've heard, most people draw a connection between V'Ger and the Borg, not V'Ger and the Q-- or at least, the same race of sentient machines that reshaped Voyager into what it was in this movie at least had a hand in the creation of the Collective; I don't think they ARE the Collective, because at heart, V'Ger's directive was only to gather knowledge, unlike the Borg, which is to assimilate everyone and everything into themselves.
DorianMichaelsIII 1 year ago
decker mustve gotten that behavior from his father, in doomsday machine
xxjpxxdeluxe 1 year ago
Spock said that it ammassed so much data on its journey that it gained consciousness and wanted to fulfill its programming. Decker simply wanted to go to the next level. Is this where 'The Borg' took on human form? After all, Spock did say that we may be witnessing another step in human evolution, to which Kirk said he hopes they got it off to a good start.
dave929 2 years ago
I would assume that V'Ger easily encountered Borg ships on its journey throught the galaxy and absorbed them too, just like everything else it encountered. I am sure that most every alien soecies is in 'V'Ger in some fashion due to absorbtion.
TRAVISJAMES03 2 years ago
Look people!!! I think I just witnessed Brittney Spears and Kevin Federlion's wedding event!!! It even freaked out Captain Kirk and crew.
AJGreene007 2 years ago
This kind of motion picture screen writing absorbs well beyond TV, radio, internet, recordings, and the like: holding death at bay and presenting a second chance at life.
jhol1177 2 years ago
Love the music, definately an underrated classic.
ElectronicaFan83 2 years ago
Great FX and music in that scene.
garymakin01 2 years ago
megacide84 2 years ago
I don't think V'Ger could possilby have any connection with the Borg. It's a likely as Decker & Ilia being the basis of the Q's coming into existence.
dafmurray 2 years ago
@dafmurray That's what I've always wondered. Such an insanely powerful creature as V'ger, given a human element of emotion and imagination, could have easily gone back in time and became the Q Continuum. Temporal Loop.
w4wxp 1 year ago
No, but it's how a whole franchise, just as deadly, came into being. I know not what others may say, but as for me, give me TOS, or give me death!
goback3spaces 2 years ago
TMP is not the best Star Trek-Movie, but (in terms of size & scope) its the most epic one.
kuribayashi84 2 years ago
The original cinema/VHS release featured the Blaster Beam as the V'Ger ship dissovles in that beautiful light show from which the Enterprise emerges and the effect was much better than the DVD version of the cue.
dafmurray 2 years ago
Even after all these years Decker's decision nauseates me.
goback3spaces 2 years ago
Why?
naomi45 2 years ago
Because having a girlfriend is one thing, deliberately evolving into a new life form (thus giving up your starfleet pension) is something else. Even as a kid I thought Decker was a shmuck, and I guess it has something to do with his decision being inadequately motivated in the context of the action. Of course, as a kid I just thought the whole movie was lousy...
goback3spaces 2 years ago
You have a good point. I agree with you that there really wasn't a good motivation presented to the audience. I guess in my mind I thought that he felt that having his girlfriend turned into an unfeeling drone was a bad deal and that, in addition to the prospect of playing second fiddle for the rest of his Starfleet career, maybe he didn't have anything else to live for as a human being.
In reality though, it feels like a cop-out on his part.
naomi45 2 years ago
@goback3spaces think of him as just another redshirt; except he had a bigger role and his shirt was blue. he was the only non-main cast in the away party(ilia was an essential character to the story), he had crappy decision making skills, and was an arrogant young man(or a "mr. adventure" if you will)
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 Yeah, sure, I'm willing to agree with that, but I'll go farther. With the exception of some of VOYAGER and maybe some of the animated series of the 70s (as far as I remember it), the entire STAR TREK output after TOS (including the well-received movie of last year) is a complete waste of time. It's just a lot of multi-colored goo flying at you, without the magic of TOS.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces hmm. well i like TOS and TNG and that's pretty much it. TNG was had class, good characters, and brain candy like TOS, along with good effects that gene never had in the original series. but the new movie wasn't that bad, the lens-flares rlly bothered me though. lol ****LENZ FLARE!!***** ahh my eyes
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 Screw the effects. STAR TREK isn't about effects. It's about human drama and human comedy. The cast and the writing of TOS could not be improved upon, particularly in our post-literate, effects-drunk age. The first ST movie was the beginning of the end, and the deterioration continues to this day.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces jeez calm down, man! i know i know, back then effects actually enhanced the story and now it's just for show. research shows that the average human has a shorter attention span than that of back then, so i guess "lens flares" and cgi will be expected from now on AND EVERYTHING WILL SUCK AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE. jeez it's not THAT bad, we can rebuild! our way of thinking can change and along with that the entertainment industry.
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 perhaps someone will come along and make a great old-school science fiction motion picture with lighting tricks and mirror/perspective tricks and puppets and claymation and models and most importantly, a good story. we're coming around, everybody is finally realising their faulty ways and are looking for ways to improve themselves
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 I like your optimism. To do my part, I propose a boycott of all future incarnations of the STAR TREK franchise.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces or we trekkies could try to get jobs as writers for paramount, and set up a website for trekkie suggestions for new episodes/movies! everyone online is talking about ideas for a new TNG movie in which Q brings Data back. the thing is brent spiner wouldn't want to be data again because he's "too old". BUT he might agree to using "performance capture" (like in avatar) to make him look younger. patrick stewart and ian mckellen did that in one of the xmen movies and it worked!
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 I disagree with that approach. It's a constructive suggestion, but it's not to my taste. See, this franchise is so popular that they have almost unlimited funds to do whatever they want, and it doesn't necessary have to be objectively "good." Remember that TMP was a terrible film, yet it made a fortune. The execs know this. They don't care what they do as long as the beast is fed, as it were. So I say, just trash the whole thing by refusing to show up. And keep watching TOS.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces hey tmp had some brain candy, the relatiponship with machine and man and how machines are our kind of children. yes, it stole from a bit of asimov's book i,robot, but he was the science consultant. and boycotting new star trek may kill the whole franchise forever! have you seen the "new voyages" series? people were tired of having no more tos and decided to make their own. they have a real life full-scale set and tons of the original stars have made appearances on their show.
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 ooh and star trek: phase II is great too
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 Yeah, I've heard about that, and I'm a bit curious about it, but haven't gotten around to check it out yet. You're clearly very knowledgeable, and I respect you for that (how many shmuck ST fans today even know who Asimov was?) but I'm more interested in drama than science fiction, and Star Trek for me was essentially a drama with comedic overtones. I'm not enthralled by perennial SF themes like Man vs. Machine. I say, purify the battlefield by wiping all this crap away.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces Star trek: phase II and new voyages are great. they have way better writing than the abrams version(and better casting).although i was impressed by karl urban's mccoy(urban's a hard-core trekkie and knew what he was doing). Star Trek REALLY got me into science fiction(although i was already star wars and jules verne fan beforehand). i listened to talks that roddenberry gave at cons/universities and became even MORE inspired. he's bffs w/ asimov and bradbury and other scifi writers
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 I went through a Verne phase myself. Let me make a recommendation to you: on youtube type in SPOCK'S BRAIN LIVE AT THE IMPROV to see a stage version of the first two scenes of "Spock's Brain," as done for laughs by professional actors. It's an inspired parody, while at the same time a respectful "homage," to use a word that people generally overuse!
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces haha that was hilarious! have you seen the "trekkies" movies? they mention tons of trek-inspired things like this, including hysterical star trek adaptation of romeo and juliet.
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 I know of the "trekkies" documentary, but I'm almost afraid to watch it because I'm one of "them." Back in grade school, I was hardcore. I fashioned my bedroom to resemble the bridge, and rattled off lines from TOS so fluently (and without context) that nobody knew what I was talking about. When I was a kid, STAR TREK was my life! I still think it's the greatest TV show ever. Maybe that's why I'm so intolerant/disappointed by all the films/series that followed.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces i grew up w/ the star wars prequels and 90's cartoons. later i did more research and came to appreciate the classics even more. the 90's were a great time to grow up, but sometimes i think i was born half a century late. back when television was new and children still played outside. we played indiana jones, starwars, pirates of the caribbean, and army =). if we had known about star trek earlier we would have had a blast! now i'm known as the only artist/trekkie girl of the school
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 plus trekkies is worth watching. it gives you a similar sense a trekkie pride as the feeling of going to science fiction convention. knowing you're not the only one is great
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 You're a girl? The whole time I thought you were a guy. Gee, I'm glad I didn't say anything sexist.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces haha lol that's ok, i'm used to it. and that's awesome that you made up your room to look like the bridge, we've been working on a huge star trek mural for the basement, based on mid-century comic book style drawing.
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 Good for you! The stuff I had as a kid: all the Star Trek Mego toys of the '70. Tricorder, phaser, communicator, bridge console, bridge model, etc. Then there were all the books: ST Concordance, Enterprise blueprints, The Making of Star Trek (which I bought from a friend for five bit-o-honey candies), etc. I still have one or two of these items.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces cool! i wish i was alive when star trek was new. now old merch is vintage and expensive and you can't open it and play with it. sometimes i'll keep new stuff in the box but i get the feeling it will never be valueable
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 Well, I was born in '66, so I'm too young to remember it when it was new, but my parents used to tell me how amazing it was in those days, how it was head and shoulders beyond anything anyone had ever seen. I watched the show from a very young age. As for the merchandise, if it's valuable to you, then it IS valuable.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
@goback3spaces lol lucky, i wish i was a life-long trekkie, the first star trek movie i ever saw was first contact (saw the last few mins on hbo one late night w/ my parents) the deepest memories of that first time were of the character data and the first contact scene itself. i really liked it! now i can recite it practically by heart, along with most other trek movies (never cared much for V)
jar0fdirt63 1 year ago
@jar0fdirt63 You ARE a lifelong trekkie, my friend. But stick to the original series. Someday you'll be sharing it with your own kids.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
Jim, I want this. As much as you wanted the Enterprise, I WANT THIS.
JAF1970 2 years ago 13
From True Love emerges beauty... Decker and illia loved each other... the merged... and THAT Enterprise emerged :D
all13Doctors 2 years ago 2
The original theatrical version of this scene looks like a bit of more slowly pieced. This one here is like chewed at some moments and I don't like it that.
On the other hand, the entire final scene with V'ger is a rare masterpiece in almost every possible direction and especially the music theme by Jerry Goldsmith.
YourPreciousOne 2 years ago
This scene sent chills up my spine
john6380 3 years ago 2
this piece of score is just amazing!!
hansenb1 3 years ago 3
I want to be Decker.
nightflight83 3 years ago 2
LOL!!! The special effects were ahead of their time back then but today they are laughable! LOL
tall32guy 3 years ago
I think the effects in this scene are pretty awesome for any movie.
klingondude 3 years ago 2
Best thing about this film was the score. By far the best of all 6. Star Trek 2 had a great score. But nothing like this.
bdweightexer 3 years ago 4
It's amazing, one of the best sci-fi scenes of all times. Jerry Goldsmith's music is pure beauty, and the meld between Decker, Ilia and V'Ger is....wonderful. I love it!
Chockys 3 years ago 3
this music is brilliant. it's simply beautiful.
klingondude 3 years ago 2
the music is amazing!!
hansenb1 3 years ago 7
yeah! I really love it...
mironair 3 years ago
@mironair thats because its jerry goldsmiths
sirpico123 10 months ago
The novel explained this perfectly: "It became too lovely for them to comprehend, and so it was gone without ever really leaving."
Btw, the music is incredible!
Superare1 3 years ago
btw, at 3.00, was that the sound of the enterprise's main engines coming back on line, or the sound of the v'ger spacecraft "exploding", or was it just simply a part of Goldsmith's original score?
thanks!
zenithomega19 3 years ago
Almost sure it is the score.
bdweightexer 3 years ago
"Jim, I want this. As much as you wanted the Enterprise, I want this..."
So true. So very very true. It was always about what Kirk wanted. Too bad he didn't learn until after Spock passed away in Wrath of Khan.
zenithomega19 3 years ago 2
If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a star ship is your first best destiny. Anything else, is a waste of material.
bdweightexer 3 years ago 4
scared Captain sir...as in out of my WITS
zenithomega19 3 years ago
This is beautiful scene. Love the Meld score by Goldsmith.
Mikligard 3 years ago 3
I agree, a beautiful sequence. I remember seeing this on TV a while back, and I remember there being a slightly different scene as they show the discharge of energy above the earth. I could swear there was a bit more between that part and the part where the enterprise glides towards the screen! Am I imagining this?
dominokat07 3 years ago
the Directors Edition was probobly what you saw on TV
Regular Edition > Directors Edition
klingondude 3 years ago
Edit:
LOL, I mean:
Regular Edition < Directors Edition
WilliamTheFloydian 3 years ago
I can't help wondering who involved in this film had met and united with their twin soul! The union of souls from which emerges pure beauty!
all13Doctors 3 years ago 4
What a ridiculous thing to do..
amadmaninlove 3 years ago
How so? Two lives for the sake of the entire Earth and quite possibly all beyond?
all13Doctors 3 years ago
It is a great film, this one, and arguably one of the greatest love stories ever written.
all13Doctors 3 years ago 6
i agree
zenithomega19 3 years ago
The voices seem a bit off, but still, a beautiful sequence.
KingCharltonHeston 4 years ago
Excellent!
neumann1701 4 years ago
That's a beautiful sequence.
KingCharltonHeston 4 years ago 4
che emozione vedere queste scene, grazie mironair
stellanascente1 4 years ago 3