hello i'm looking for the similar model of the "pdr ir 1600". Do u have document or manual, to show me how to use the infra red and all thing around the rework station, like the camera, the vacuum etc..bye
in french :
Bonjour, je recherche le modèle équivalent du "pdr IR 1600", Avez vous un document ou manuel d'utilisation, pour me montrer comment utiliser l'infra rouge et toute chose autour de la station de reprise (station de refusion)
3. If you heat a PBGA like the chipset processor on soldering temperature by an IR system an you have an electrolytic capacitor directly beside, then the capacitor will blow. Conclusion: The PBGA was not hot - the video is a fake!
4. The Jovy equipment is a cheap copy of ERSA Rework systems - and NOT reversed!
1. What do you think? The board temperature is at 105 C and then they remove the BGA?? Nonsense! This process video is a fake!
2. Smoke is normal - can be from by remaining flux residues. But take a close look on this video! The smoke neither comes from the chip and nor from the board. It comes from somewhere in front of the PCB table! So the smoke is a fake! Additionally you can see a cut in the video and it suddenly starts to smoke where was no smoke before.
@JSchreck31 the pcb is 105 is just the motherboard not the chipset. they have to preheat the motherboard at 100 to 120 then the ir lamp at 220 but they didn't show that, plus south bridge is very easy to remove and this is using lead as it's quite old
Come on - do you really think that the TC beside the PBGA measures a totally different temperature than the temperature of the PBGA??
If they show a process then they should show the WHOLE process and not just the half.
They also don't use an IR lamp, they use a medium wavelength IR heater. And this heater has a diffuse heating field and this means that it heats up also the area around the PBGA. One more proof that the TC should read a higher temperature.
@Tda7000 You sound like you know your stuff... Can you recommend a good BGA station for under $2K? I have been doing oven reflows for a while now and want to go legit but there are so many confusing choices out there.
First off just want to say, the part about the flux is definitely stupid, of course the smoke is the flux burning off, this is not an issue!
Unfortunately I don't have one of these BGA rework stations yet, so I can't give any specific recommendation. I would advise you to read online reviews and check other Youtube videos - There seem to be cheap systems around on eBay etc which work pretty well.
The main thing I think it comes down to is power, most machines list a maximum IC size they can rework. Make sure this is adequate for your needs.
Practice well the techniques, whichever machine you get. Do a reballing on an old motherboard, graphics card, whatever, and make sure it still works afterwards. Reballing is harder (but results are better) than a reflow.
@Tda7000 Thanks for the reply. I want to purchase a rework station soon. Gotta come up with a little more cash first. I'll probably buy it from thebgastore. And another question about what to do with this thing. What is the bread and butter of this business? I see a lot of these machines for sale that include templates for xbox 360... are people still making money reflowing these things?
@AlabamaRiverMan Yeah I would say so. PS3 as well (but it's more difficult to do) and then there's quite a few models of laptops\GPUs which have issues.
And who knows what the next generation of consoles will be like...
So what about success rate using a BGA machine... Someone posted in another area that they only have about a 50% success rate reballing. Also... I am reflowing dv6000 laptops now that have the nvidia issue. My success rate is about 90%. Could I reasonably expect better and longer term results with a BGA machine?
@Tda7000 Thanks for the reply. I had thought it may be easier to replace the nvidia chips on the laptops I work on. I see them for sale here and there for around $20/$25 or so.
The machine I am looking at is the bauer bga v4 station. I still need to do a little more research before I plunk down all that cash for one
I have to agree with the smoking board sentiment which may unnecessarily stress the board (let alone the part. I would like to have seen a closer view of the pads of this board after the part was lifted off. Not to say that your system does not work, but perhaps for different applications.
what the hell is with the crappy music. Its not the hard core random techno I'm use to on these videos.
jayshiz 4 months ago
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jamaldjabou 1 year ago
go with hotair people... infrared systems are crap.
TheHardcorePwnage 1 year ago
Does anyone know the song?
verdirameaugusto 1 year ago
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hello i'm looking for the similar model of the "pdr ir 1600". Do u have document or manual, to show me how to use the infra red and all thing around the rework station, like the camera, the vacuum etc..bye
in french :
Bonjour, je recherche le modèle équivalent du "pdr IR 1600", Avez vous un document ou manuel d'utilisation, pour me montrer comment utiliser l'infra rouge et toute chose autour de la station de reprise (station de refusion)
jamaldjabou 1 year ago
@jamaldjabou
The PDR system works totally different compared to the Jovy. Also, PDR is a good quality system while Jovy is a very cheap low cost system.
PDR is a short wave IR system with focussing optics, Jovy is a medium wavelength system.
It's FAR AWAY from being similar.
JSchreck31 1 year ago
How much to do my PS3?
hustletv 1 year ago
3. If you heat a PBGA like the chipset processor on soldering temperature by an IR system an you have an electrolytic capacitor directly beside, then the capacitor will blow. Conclusion: The PBGA was not hot - the video is a fake!
4. The Jovy equipment is a cheap copy of ERSA Rework systems - and NOT reversed!
JSchreck31 2 years ago
1. What do you think? The board temperature is at 105 C and then they remove the BGA?? Nonsense! This process video is a fake!
2. Smoke is normal - can be from by remaining flux residues. But take a close look on this video! The smoke neither comes from the chip and nor from the board. It comes from somewhere in front of the PCB table! So the smoke is a fake! Additionally you can see a cut in the video and it suddenly starts to smoke where was no smoke before.
JSchreck31 2 years ago
@JSchreck31 the pcb is 105 is just the motherboard not the chipset. they have to preheat the motherboard at 100 to 120 then the ir lamp at 220 but they didn't show that, plus south bridge is very easy to remove and this is using lead as it's quite old
and lead melts at 189c
2handtrailers 1 year ago
@2handtrailers
Come on - do you really think that the TC beside the PBGA measures a totally different temperature than the temperature of the PBGA??
If they show a process then they should show the WHOLE process and not just the half.
They also don't use an IR lamp, they use a medium wavelength IR heater. And this heater has a diffuse heating field and this means that it heats up also the area around the PBGA. One more proof that the TC should read a higher temperature.
JSchreck31 1 year ago
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JSchreck31 1 year ago
It looks like that the ERSA Tools equipments originates from this model !
tbn0307 2 years ago
@tbn0307
Be sure that the ERSA rework systems are the original systems. Jovy copied ERSA.
JSchreck31 1 year ago
For a start this video shows removal of the SOUTH-bridge, not the North-bridge as the intro title reads.
Also, removal of the battery probably wouldn't be a bad idea before you start desoldering things
And last but probably more importantly - what's up with the smoke? I hope that's flux burning off and not something else....
Tda7000 2 years ago 4
@Tda7000 You sound like you know your stuff... Can you recommend a good BGA station for under $2K? I have been doing oven reflows for a while now and want to go legit but there are so many confusing choices out there.
AlabamaRiverMan 1 week ago
@AlabamaRiverMan Wow, my previous comment is 2 years old!
First off just want to say, the part about the flux is definitely stupid, of course the smoke is the flux burning off, this is not an issue!
Unfortunately I don't have one of these BGA rework stations yet, so I can't give any specific recommendation. I would advise you to read online reviews and check other Youtube videos - There seem to be cheap systems around on eBay etc which work pretty well.
Tda7000 1 week ago
@AlabamaRiverMan
The main thing I think it comes down to is power, most machines list a maximum IC size they can rework. Make sure this is adequate for your needs.
Practice well the techniques, whichever machine you get. Do a reballing on an old motherboard, graphics card, whatever, and make sure it still works afterwards. Reballing is harder (but results are better) than a reflow.
Tda7000 1 week ago
@Tda7000 Thanks for the reply. I want to purchase a rework station soon. Gotta come up with a little more cash first. I'll probably buy it from thebgastore. And another question about what to do with this thing. What is the bread and butter of this business? I see a lot of these machines for sale that include templates for xbox 360... are people still making money reflowing these things?
AlabamaRiverMan 1 week ago
@AlabamaRiverMan Yeah I would say so. PS3 as well (but it's more difficult to do) and then there's quite a few models of laptops\GPUs which have issues.
And who knows what the next generation of consoles will be like...
Tda7000 1 week ago
@Tda7000
So what about success rate using a BGA machine... Someone posted in another area that they only have about a 50% success rate reballing. Also... I am reflowing dv6000 laptops now that have the nvidia issue. My success rate is about 90%. Could I reasonably expect better and longer term results with a BGA machine?
AlabamaRiverMan 1 week ago
@AlabamaRiverMan You should have a high success rate if you know what you're doing, and understand the limitations of whichever machine you're using.
For example If your heating profile is bad, or the pre-heater is too small you can warp the board, cook the IC or cause other problems.
And of course with nvidia GPUs for example, not all can be fixed by a reball, as they just fail and the whole IC needs to be replaced.
Tda7000 6 days ago
@Tda7000 Thanks for the reply. I had thought it may be easier to replace the nvidia chips on the laptops I work on. I see them for sale here and there for around $20/$25 or so.
The machine I am looking at is the bauer bga v4 station. I still need to do a little more research before I plunk down all that cash for one
AlabamaRiverMan 6 days ago
I have to agree with the smoking board sentiment which may unnecessarily stress the board (let alone the part. I would like to have seen a closer view of the pads of this board after the part was lifted off. Not to say that your system does not work, but perhaps for different applications.
eclectro 3 years ago
@eclectro smoke is just burned flux, it's totally normal and safe
2handtrailers 1 year ago
smoking board with a "professional station"... =_="
rexsham 3 years ago
Music sucks and this is a slow process, I could do an easy board like the one shown in half the time with a hot air system
crazychapman 3 years ago
Very Good and efficient
Raheeeeb 4 years ago
@Raheeeeb
Very good and efficient is different....
JSchreck31 1 year ago