"The best way to move voters is...to have conversations with them person to person at their doors in their neighborhoods..."
This tactic is an imposition on someone's time and an invasion of personal privacy. Maybe even trespassing.
Don't put someone in an awkward position. Maybe you have the right to marry, but you sure as hell don't have the right to drag someone else into the fight.
Don't come to my property unless you are an invited guest, EMT, cop, or postal carrier.
If you would like to accept Jesus as Lord pray with me right now: Father, I know that I am a sinner and cannot obtain salvation in and of myself. I come to you in the name of Jesus asking that you forgive me of my sins, and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness and guilt. I trust and believe that Jesus died and rose again to pay my sin penalty. I accept this free gift of salvation, and from this day forward, turn my life completely over to the Lord
EQCA. great at legislation. shamefully inadequate at running a ballot initiative. it's time for new leadership to step in and do what EQCA and NCLR and LAGLC couldn't. And it is time for Geoff and his cadre to do what is right and focus on what they know, and leave this effort to those who can actually make it happen.
if you want to get married... go to a state that will allow it. CA voters have already said twice they don't want it in CA, yet homosexual couples STILL want it. Its such a double standard, its only equal if they say it is, forget about the majority.
"Equality" is a distinct category from "majority rule." Something an be "supported by the majority," yet still not be "equal." It's NOT a double standard. There are right written into the constitution to protect minority populations from being run roughshod over by the majority, such as the equal protection clause. These things were put into our constitution to protect minorities because we realize that the majority is not always right. Majority rule; minority rights!
The minority you are referring to is ethnic/gender, not sexual orientation. The law states that marriage is between a man and a woman... the people voted that way, TWICE, the court has upheld it, TWICE, as constitutional but YOU don't like it and want it changed.
Courts all over this country have ruled that the 14th amendment's does NOT just apply to ethnic and gender issues. It has also ruled that separate is inherently unequal. So regardless of what the people of California have voted, carving out an exception to equal protection is wrong on both counts. It's not equal protection, and the fact that it's separate suggests that it's unequal. People of CA be damned, their vote still has to pass muster w/ the US Constitution.
@ronpartain By your reasoning, I can discriminate based on religion and pass a law so that it is illegal for any christian to be married (as Jewish marriage has been around long than Christian marriage we have to agree to default to that as the definition of marriage).
And the court, which upholds the law as it was written, ruled the same way the majority voted. What you want to do is CHANGE the law so it goes in your favor.
Moreover, what you want to do is change the law using voters to do it. If the majority voted in your favor, you would you that as leverage to strive influencing the courts to come down on your side since its what the "people" voted for. You cant have it both ways.
you're absolutely right. i don't think anyone's argument can possibly be about what the people want. to me, there is equality of human beings or there is not and the voters should not get to decide such things because they're rooted in morality. the law is arbitrary on this point necessarily, which is why the terrorists of california can take away people's rights by the flick of a prop 8.
i don't believe in moral relativism. i think that whatever we can derive of morality together, it's discoverable presently. therefore, it would not be a case of forcing morality on someone unless it were an arbitrary source of morality, such as a religion. i should clarify also: by voters not being able to decide, i mean it in the same way that slavery should not be put to the ballot box; we can decide these things by disregarding dogma, idiocy, and terrorism.
I strongly encourage everyone to support the Courage Campaign not EQCA at being the leader of the Campaign. Gavin Newsom said Join the tireless efforts of the Courage Campaign so I say Lets support a team that will WIN us back Marriage not the team that lost trying!
Thank you Geoff Kors for your advocacy but its time for new leadership at overturning Prop 8 Win Marriage Back!
Equality California wants to Win Marriage Back, Geoff Kords - Executive Director had his chance and raised Millions of Dollars from the LGBT Community. Well Geoff Kords and his campaign advisors had their chance and LOST! EQCA is amazing at developing legislation but should not be the leader of the movement to Campaign at Overturning Proposition 8.
While you spelled Geoff's name incorrectly, you are right.
Great with legislation, shamefully inadequate running a ballot initiative campaign. time for new leadership. EQCA should stick to what it knows and have the dignity to allow us to accomplish what they could not.
Legislation to approve something that is so wrong is only a mask to hide the fact. Getting this approved in some court of law is a cheesy way of saying, "look, it's okay to behave this way, the law says even we can be married". Let your hate comments flood in after my statement. It only proves that the issue here is rebellion in the human heart. How are we so blind to miss this obvious unnatural behavior? My gosh, if our supposed evolutionary family were gay, where would we be?
"The best way to move voters is...to have conversations with them person to person at their doors in their neighborhoods..."
This tactic is an imposition on someone's time and an invasion of personal privacy. Maybe even trespassing.
Don't put someone in an awkward position. Maybe you have the right to marry, but you sure as hell don't have the right to drag someone else into the fight.
Don't come to my property unless you are an invited guest, EMT, cop, or postal carrier.
amperro 2 years ago
Make it happen california! Show america what california is really about.... EQUALITY FOR ALL
JoeyBoya 2 years ago
UNEQUAL IS UNAMERICAN.
Vainailla 2 years ago 3
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2009ForJesus 2 years ago
EQCA. great at legislation. shamefully inadequate at running a ballot initiative. it's time for new leadership to step in and do what EQCA and NCLR and LAGLC couldn't. And it is time for Geoff and his cadre to do what is right and focus on what they know, and leave this effort to those who can actually make it happen.
johnsonego 2 years ago
if you want to get married... go to a state that will allow it. CA voters have already said twice they don't want it in CA, yet homosexual couples STILL want it. Its such a double standard, its only equal if they say it is, forget about the majority.
ronpartain 2 years ago
"Equality" is a distinct category from "majority rule." Something an be "supported by the majority," yet still not be "equal." It's NOT a double standard. There are right written into the constitution to protect minority populations from being run roughshod over by the majority, such as the equal protection clause. These things were put into our constitution to protect minorities because we realize that the majority is not always right. Majority rule; minority rights!
ethanstjoe 2 years ago
The minority you are referring to is ethnic/gender, not sexual orientation. The law states that marriage is between a man and a woman... the people voted that way, TWICE, the court has upheld it, TWICE, as constitutional but YOU don't like it and want it changed.
ronpartain 2 years ago
Courts all over this country have ruled that the 14th amendment's does NOT just apply to ethnic and gender issues. It has also ruled that separate is inherently unequal. So regardless of what the people of California have voted, carving out an exception to equal protection is wrong on both counts. It's not equal protection, and the fact that it's separate suggests that it's unequal. People of CA be damned, their vote still has to pass muster w/ the US Constitution.
ethanstjoe 2 years ago
@ronpartain By your reasoning, I can discriminate based on religion and pass a law so that it is illegal for any christian to be married (as Jewish marriage has been around long than Christian marriage we have to agree to default to that as the definition of marriage).
want2bakid 2 years ago
equality simply means being treated equally under the law... not that the majority can get what it wants.
kz10863 2 years ago
And the court, which upholds the law as it was written, ruled the same way the majority voted. What you want to do is CHANGE the law so it goes in your favor.
ronpartain 2 years ago
Moreover, what you want to do is change the law using voters to do it. If the majority voted in your favor, you would you that as leverage to strive influencing the courts to come down on your side since its what the "people" voted for. You cant have it both ways.
ronpartain 2 years ago
you're absolutely right. i don't think anyone's argument can possibly be about what the people want. to me, there is equality of human beings or there is not and the voters should not get to decide such things because they're rooted in morality. the law is arbitrary on this point necessarily, which is why the terrorists of california can take away people's rights by the flick of a prop 8.
mysweetgb 2 years ago
"there is equality of human beings or there is not and the voters should not get to decide such things because they're rooted in morality"
So you want to force your morality on me?
IssuesAndJustice 2 years ago 2
i don't believe in moral relativism. i think that whatever we can derive of morality together, it's discoverable presently. therefore, it would not be a case of forcing morality on someone unless it were an arbitrary source of morality, such as a religion. i should clarify also: by voters not being able to decide, i mean it in the same way that slavery should not be put to the ballot box; we can decide these things by disregarding dogma, idiocy, and terrorism.
mysweetgb 2 years ago
If you're Mormon and supported/voted for Prop 8 you are a hypocrite, apostate and heretic! Doctrine & Covenants Section 134, Verse 4. READ IT!
lynnctd 2 years ago
I strongly encourage everyone to support the Courage Campaign not EQCA at being the leader of the Campaign. Gavin Newsom said Join the tireless efforts of the Courage Campaign so I say Lets support a team that will WIN us back Marriage not the team that lost trying!
Thank you Geoff Kors for your advocacy but its time for new leadership at overturning Prop 8 Win Marriage Back!
MrBriankenny 2 years ago
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MrBriankenny 2 years ago
Equality California wants to Win Marriage Back, Geoff Kords - Executive Director had his chance and raised Millions of Dollars from the LGBT Community. Well Geoff Kords and his campaign advisors had their chance and LOST! EQCA is amazing at developing legislation but should not be the leader of the movement to Campaign at Overturning Proposition 8.
MrBriankenny 2 years ago
While you spelled Geoff's name incorrectly, you are right.
Great with legislation, shamefully inadequate running a ballot initiative campaign. time for new leadership. EQCA should stick to what it knows and have the dignity to allow us to accomplish what they could not.
johnsonego 2 years ago
Legislation to approve something that is so wrong is only a mask to hide the fact. Getting this approved in some court of law is a cheesy way of saying, "look, it's okay to behave this way, the law says even we can be married". Let your hate comments flood in after my statement. It only proves that the issue here is rebellion in the human heart. How are we so blind to miss this obvious unnatural behavior? My gosh, if our supposed evolutionary family were gay, where would we be?
billyjfelger 2 years ago
Thank you guys for all that you do. This will happen eventually. I'm with you 110%.
maveric99 2 years ago 2
This has *got* to be reposted with better audio.
Bravissimo24 2 years ago
Eliza Dushku tweeted this just one hour ago: "Shame on California Supreme Court!"
I couldn't agree more.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 2 years ago