Is the bible God's? Ahmed Deedat vs Anis Sorrosh 29 of 29

[irtezaa]

I have seen Deedat debates for the first time in my 35 years of life. I am a shia Muslim from Pakistan. I am weeping for him and missing him a lot. Allah bless him.

[0110214]

Anis Sarrosh went to jail and see a whore and he went in her...lol

[lovemyself71]

Another thing,who is the best of best of planner,if not Allah the Almighty.

Aniss Sorros was charged with Arson and was sentenced to serve jail terms.Did he planned or was he the best planner,otherwise my brother,he would be free.I hope he did not learn this(Arson) from the Bible !!!.And don't we forget,it was he carry the Sin,not Isa a.s. .

[lovemyself71]

I would like to thank all parties, involved,therefore in the Glorious Quran

said and told us that not a Single human has the ability to produce all the Surahs like the Quran did.It was Truly from the God The Almighty,Allah.Subhanallah.

[msdanduae]

i never seen in my life any chri.scholor even knowledge about their own book. i myself meet many scholors who have no knowledge about bible but they have knowledge about homos.lesbian,gay,hetros. soever vulgarity.they have problem our women in veil but have not problem with nude women?

[aref9494]

wow nice video, loved it. u already know who is telling the truthhhhh. peace to all!

[esh1]

This wasn't a good debate. I dont think Shorosh is a good representative of Christianity.

[mdmuneerkhan]

I wonder how did Anis Shorrosh get his doctorate? And he got owned buy some old dude who had minimal secondary education? damn. Dats gotta hurt dude!

[Tchado1000]

How on earth do Christians and shorrosh believe that they won this debate ? When using the bible itself to prove the bible wrong ( check out Deedats 2nd rebuttal , when he used 2 Tim 3:16)...nothing can surpass this kind of ownage !

Christianity and its bible never gave me one logical reason to believe in it....yet alone try to give me a logical reason to leave Islam , the true religion that saved me .

[iamvladtheimpaler]

shorosh is a joke. he debated out of text, answered out out of context, and never answer key question post by deedat. deedat was not silenced on his deathbed, read out wikipedia under 'deedat', he even silenced all the priests (who visited and trying to convert him in his final hour) without even muttering a single word of english. He died a highly respectable muslim, unlike his opponents, swaggard- arrested with a prostitute, shorosh - arrested for arson, - better to die a muslim, Allahuakbar !

[tewfiksherif]

I don't know where did he got his Doctor Degree. Is it from serial box. He can't keep his point in line. Amazing like a kid who is trying to hide his mistake he is every where like most ppl said. What a west of time.

[52hogg]

haha time after time deedat made sorrosh make a fool of himself QURAN ALLAH word he protect it from evil people so we can learn it ALLAHU AKBAR

[sith24773]

I like how deedat asked God to mute the liar and he ended up agonizing trying to speak on his deathbed, AND its on youtube 4 all the world to see

[letsknow]

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (Al Qur'an Surah Baqarah Ch:2 verse:256)

"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

(Al Qur'an Surah Isra Ch: 17 verse: 81)

[markhuda]

May Allah s Mercy to be upon Ahmed Deedat,he uncovered the devilish people,who use the religeon to get their own benifits and to misguide the average people .and i agree with most of the comments that Shorrosh is a shameless and disgusting. and if i was a christians i would be ashamed to have such a sick person in my religeon.i pray to ALLAH(SWT) to grant Ahmed Deedat the best rewards for all good deeds he has done in his life.Amen

[watcher4234]

I don't understand how or where in your Qur'an it gives you the right to insult Christians, on a public forum for all eyes to see.

Is that the way of Islam? Who gives you that right? Allah? Mohommed?

That is one reason why I would never want to become Muslim - I don't like the idea of putting down people.

[hashir]

This debate was carried on as a challenge made by "annish sorrosh"

and this is not 'insulting' or 'letting down' christians. it's plainly describing what the bible says in clear english. if this strikes as an insult or offence, then i guess it has shaken your own belief you have on the bible. (assuming you follow the bible). if you are strong in your belief then you'd never feel insulted or offended coz you know the bible is right and the word of god. but i guess it's quite the contrary here.

[watcher4234]

You're guess is about 110% wrong. Assumptions usually are.

I was talking about the comments made by some people regarding this video.

It appears they have given themselves the right to call Shorrosh "shamless" "disgusting". Talk about judgemental?! That's one of the reasons I could never be a Muslim. I don't like calling other people names.

[arebeqa]

Dear watcher4234, i think you are a Christian? Aren't you? if you are, are you ready to abandon your Christian faith for the wrong doings of other Christians? Like for instance; Hitler who not only killed, but incinerated six million Jews? Mosoloni , Starlin... and so on. Let's not blame the whole society for mistakes made by a handful of people.

[aref9494]

he didn't say to shorosh shamesless, u should check the debate again. he said to the people who wrote the book. u see when deedat give refs, he quotes it and he does it right.. peace..

[haadi13]

ALAHU AKBAR

[mjoe1111211]

Muslims. Why you guys argue with our Christian brothers and fight. Simply ask them to send thier best to our best and we will see who is right. Ahmed Deedat is not between us anymore. But the Quran and Followers for Quran are always there.

[hashir]

so you do see this as a fight and not a debate? have you not seen how debates are conducted?

this is clear 'reasoning' and thats all, and not an attack to anyone. dont know why you dont see it.

[reformedtheologian00]

Thank God for Video Editing. We can keep what we like, and throw away those things we didn't like. We are very stupid.

[muslimgiga]

HAHAHA ANis Shorrosh should stop humaliatiing himself like this. Seriously i would faint if i was in his position right now. I wouldn't wanna show my face to sociaty in humiliation!! What a fool

[Mohsin77]

looool thanks for this video. No one, and I mean NO ONE can stand up to Muslim scholars like Dr Zakir Naik, Malcolm X, Hussain Yee, Ahmed Deedat and Hamza Yusuf ... and many more

Their weak arguments are always destroyed :)

Mash Allah!!

I hope Ahmed Deedat rests in peace and will go to Paradise, he suffered so much :(

[Enigmaprod]

You know hes in jail now right

[pakifighter]

Shorrosh got owned again.

[capo1genovese]

This is why Allah came with the Koran. The christians changed the bible in a piece of lie. They betray Jesus and after that they call him God. Hahahahah liers

[mjoe1111211]

Brother or sister whoever u may be.. ITs QURAN.. not Koran.

[capo1genovese]

In dutch its Koran. But it doesn´t matter how you write it. Its all the same

[capo1genovese]

Allah create us to worship him. Not to do what we want. Same like you make a robot. You want the robot does anything you want. So everyone is witness that the Koran is the right book. Sorrosh is atacking the islam. He didn+t get eny fact from the koran what is copyed of the bible. Why do Muslims love Jesus as well and christians deny Mohamed(bpuh)??? This is the problem. They are full of hate. Allahu Akbar. Everyone is created apart. So everyone will die apart. And goes apart to God.

[iLanas007]

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

[Kite207]

Christians are so funny.

[quickfixyz]

well. Saroosh was trying to be devilish and try to say lies about quran, well allah made him a real devil ,now he was arrested for some tax record burning crimes and for endangering others. most of the these evengilicals have been made devils , this is another guy in line.

[poochkutty]

Can any Christain DEFINE GOD according to your scriputure? In Islam sura 112 1-4 suffix it. GOOgle it and see, once you can define according to your BIBLE, then we can discuss all other things. NOT Personal defenition but from jesus mouth IE from BIBLE!!!

[cocosofli]

oh now there are comment allowed im sorry naliakbar i was on # 19 when i wrote to you lol. but im kinda confused i thought the bible was b= basic i= instructions b= before l= leaving e= earth! how come deedat used only scripts that werent complete? and why is sorrosh talking so fast i cant understand him really any way HELPPPPP SO DOSE THIS MEAN MY LORD AND SAVIOR IS A LIAR OR THAT MY BIBLE IS TRASH WHY CANT THEY BOTH BE THE WORD OF GOD?

[abushtayyah]

The Quran is good to apply for any time any place. In order to know that we must see what's realy inside the Quran, could any human bring a book with all the miracles in it? Google miracles in the Quran and we see the things could never be brought from any human it must be a work a highier power. Even if the whole Arabia work together to come with a book as powerful as the Quran they will never be able to do that. We'll never find a single mistake. May God guide us to the truth Amen.

[njdtalk]

Unlike Koran, the Bible makes no claim of having 100% letter accuracy. But, says it's prophetic message is INSPIRED. Truly, there is no change in this inspired MAIN DOCTRINE of the Bible, which is "salvation by blood a blameless Lamb of God" (The PASSOVER LAMB)-which starts from Exodus 4:23; 11:4, 5; 12:12,29,30, repeats in Ps 105:36; Ps 78:51; Ps 135:8; Ps136:10-"First born" of Egypt killed, repeats in Hebrew 11:28; & (Matt 26:28; Mark 14:12)-"Passover Lamb". Again blood in-(Rev 5:6; Rev 12:11)

[njdtalk]

2) "Main Inspired message of the Koran" is just opposite to this "Main Message of the Bible". Koran mentions only 9-miracles of Moses, but strangely skips ONLY this 10th. and most important miracle of Moses which sets the main pattern of "Salvation by blood alone". Koran wants to change this BLOOD DOCTRINE, that too, some 1700 years after Moses established it. Koran is blood shy so tries to deny death of Jesus (His blood), and so naturally also must deny that Jesus was Son of God...

[njdtalk]

3) So Bible has not changed (as it's Main Doctrine of "Blood" is well preserved by God). Even if we remove dozens of verses or even pages-this Bible Doctine will not change). So devoting so much time on the errors of letters or verses etc. is irrevelent. So stop using harsh words in debates brothers, but understand, be humble and repent. However, One is free to accept or reject this "salvation by blood alone"-which is still offered by the God of the Bible in His message of love to all.

[alazghari]

Sourat Al Maiida (5:73)--> Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

[alazghari]

Sourat Al Maiida (5:72)--> Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode[]. And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no helpers.

[alazghari]

Sourat Al Taouba(9:32)--> They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allâh's Light (with which Muhammad SAW has been sent - Islâmic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allâh will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kâfirûn (disbelievers) hate (it).

[alazghari]

-BonjourNuit9- Shame on you! You are a Satan not a Human being. Who are you to talk about The Holy Quraan & Muhamed (SLW)!! Even you can see the truth clear as the sun, you still deny it!

[ebabajan]

He is not even an honourable man. the person who is in jail for fraud.. how can be respected? it seems that he has been paid by some people (Anti Islams) because his native language is Arabic to make an arguement but he is dumb as hell... money wasted on surosh

[KUS25]

bonjournuit9..how dare u call our Holy Quran came from satan...shame on u...u cant even provide evidences just like Anis Shorrosh...no evidence but all lies...the video says it all...did u really pay attention to this video or u just dreaming?Anis Shorrosh didnt even answer the question from the audiences...all he did was provoking the audience...hm guess it shows how pathetic ur religion is...no evidence but all lies...there is no truth in ur religion...bible is fabricated etc. END

[BonjourNuit9]

To Deedat,Naik and to Muhammad and all their supporters,the Bible is not God's word but to God it is the Koran that is not God's words but Satan's

Sixty years ago the Jews returned to Israel from all over the world as prophecied in the Bible that means God continues to fulfill his promises he made in the bible despite the existence of the deceiving Muslims who do not honour even Muhammad who said don't fight over the religions,yet there over a 1000 sites by Deedat lying about Christianity

[Babrai]

this sorrosh guy have no idea wha he talking about lol,,Instead of rebuttling with Shaikh Deedat he should have accepted the Holy Religion of Islam. he is completely lost in christianity and struggling as he is picking up different books when answering the questions and have no idea wha to say and he will never answer coz he is on the wrong path. he doesnt know about his own bible so how dare he can say that there is a mistake in the Holy Quran.

[Babrai]

naliakbar,,Jazakumullah khairan fee darain,,You have upload a wonderful videos and may ALLAH bless you including all Muslims. Ameen. I have downloaded all of them and may ALLAH grant Ahmad Deedat Janat al Ferdaws.

[okridiculous]

Okay so how does one enter into eternal life according to Islam? If being a good person and doing right and feeding the poor and loving my neighbour is all it takes and if Allah is the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob like Muslims claim he is then I praise and pray to him too. So I guess I'm going to heaven then.....I don't believe in the quran or Mohammad. Is that what will send me to hell? If so then Mohammad has become YOUR Jesus Christ. You can have him then. I'll just keep trusting mine.

[decentknight]

To okridiculous

1- Mohammed is not our Jesus christ.

2- We believe that both are prophets of Allah, we can't differentiate between any two of Allah's prophets and we believe in them all.

3- In fact u r not trusting Jesus, u r trusting ur religion basics that are away from GOD like trinity and crucifixion and so on.

4-If u search for the truth really, i urge u to pray like jesus as u trust him, try to direct ur speech to who created the universe and ask him to guide you to the truth. try it!

[medaa25]

Shorrosh argued his point like a small child.

I enjoyed watching Deedat teaching the true meaning of the bible to Christians. Few will see the light and understand but those who are blind will feel the truth but fail to see it.

Allah Knows Best!

[BonjourNuit7]

When Muhammad said man falsified both the Jewish and the Christian Bibles,what Muhammad really was saying was God's words in the Bible were not longer valid in order to promote Islam

But no prophet was to come after Jesus except false prophets

Muhammad claimed the Koran was to completion of the faiths and that Muhammad was the seal of the prophets when Muhammad was a false prophet and only the return of Jesus completes all the faiths including Islam

[salekh01]

god of the bible is a gay a fag

[tuber153]

brother we dnt need to say this islam does not teach us this :-)

[BonjourNuit3]

Muhammad falsified the bible by his own claims but the Dead Sea Scrolls proves the bible was unchanged 500 years before the time of Muh.

Muh could not accept he was a false prophet so he claimed the bible was corrupted.

[koolkid8787]

muhhamed did not claim that u morron dont spread lies. muhhamed never claimed sucha thing.

[jorsak]

calling someone a moron that you disagree with does little to futher your argument and I seriously doubt that your faith would support the usage of such language.

It is no big deal to disagree but let is try to have a civil discussion; not a name calling challenge.

[FahadKhan1988]

And it has been proved billions of times. So maybe he is a true prophet after all?

[bakib20]

There is one more shameless liar here trying to argue without bringing any evidence but based on what his forefathers taught them about Islam .. BonjourNuit3 it is neither Muhammad (SWH) nor Islam brought changes to your Bible .. you miserable liars are doing whatever you want to do with the Bible yet calling it words of God .. I am asking which God of yours permitted you to do that ..

[BonjourNuit9]

bakib the only shameless liars are Muslims like Deedat,Naik

here are over a 1000 sites attacking Christianity with their lies as it began with Muh who claimed he was a prophet,an apostle and a messenger when an a prophet could only come from Isaac's lineage,an apostle witnessed the living or risen Jesus and a messenger could only be an angel

Where was Muh's proof that Jesus didn't die on the cross?

He had no proof because Jesus did die on the cross for claiming he was and is God

[BonjourNuit3]

The plans of God remain true and in the bible and no Muslim can alter God's promises He has for all the world.

You have no choice but to believe in Muh but you haven't the right to put down Judaism or Christianity when the bible proves Muhammad was a false prophet

[bakib20]

BonjourNuit3 .. Give us the equivocal verse from the Bible that says .. "Muhammad is a false prophet" .. unless you liars added it later on in the name of NEW RECTIFIED VERSION OF THE BIBLE :) .. and we are aware that you guys love to play with your SO CALLED WORDS OF GOD ..

[BonjourNuit3]

Anyone can tell Muhammad was a false prophet except Muslims because Muslims were commanded to obey Muhammad in fear of reprisals from other Muslims.

That has blinded them to proof.The proof is before their eyes,it is in their own hearts but fear of the truth has blinded them

Muh taught so many contradictions,

he claimed the Bible of both the Jews and Christians were falsified because they both proved he was a false prophet so he had the Jews and Christians killed.

[positron66]

Quran contradicts with the Holy Bible. It failed miserably to convince any born again Christians. Muslims do not believe in Quran too in many verses that are literal. For example Sura 19:71 None of you (Muslims) shall but to enter hell. Muslims will say, no there is a bridge to cross from hell to paradise. But Quran never says there is a bridge to cross.

[BonjourNuit3]

Positron indeed Muh claimed he wanted to give his people the bible in his own language but the Koran is nothing of the Bible. What a lie

Muhamamd taught Jesus didn't die on the cross.What a lie

Muslims are afraid of other Muslims otherwise they could be killed by them.

[bakib20]

BonjourNuit3 .. Muhammad claimed he wanted to give his people the Bible .. LIAR! .. even your big-feet church people dont claim that .. how do you then .. I AM ASKING GIVE US A PROOF .. BRING US EVIDENCE from where you got that ..

"Koran is nothing of the Bible" .. lol .. did you read the Quran?

[BonjourNuit9]

bakib you asked which God permitted me to say the truth, God who created the universe and all humankind permits me to say the truth because he hates liar,which differs from your god Satan who loves lies

It is alright that Muslims can attack other religions but it is not alright that older religions than Islam can easily prove Muhammad was deceived thus the world's only false prophet

[BonjourNuit9]

bakib Muh said the koran had no contradictions:lets view some:he said he wanted to give the bible to his people in their own language,yet the Koran is nothing like the bible and teaches nothing then Muh said conquer the world for Islam,

Like Muhammad you give no proof

because you have none and that is because Islam is not from God,it merely claims to be from God and proof is Muslims are willing to slaughter others like only Satan woould do

[ebabajan]

I think you are diluded like all other christians. you think you know your religion but you dont have a clue about any thing and how would you. most of the time you are drunk in churches you drink wine, in funerals so I dont blame you to be thick as hell

[BonjourNuit10]

ebabajan when no prophet was to come after Jesus,for the Jews rejected their Messiah then God would never send Muhammad who didn't know their languages,couldn't read their Bible yet claimed their Bible was falsified because it proved he was a false prophet

then it is YOU MUSLIMS who are diluded

[youcef13200]

You are younger to speak say comment about such deep subjects

Go and read about your religion that's enough and when you are ready for debates you can expose to the media and show your ideas lol lol

[BonjourNuit8]

you don't know how old I am

and you have a nerve to tell me to read about my religion when I have studied it for 30 years

I am here because you Muslims fight over the religions when you were told not to by Muhammad

You people lie about my religion and the reason you do is because the Bible and even the Quran proves Muhammad was a false prophet

So because you cannot contradict Muh you attack my religion when only your religion begins with the world's only false prophet

[youcef13200]

Listen, see how many people convert from Christianity to Islam and vice versa.

If i read about something for 30 years why i stay here in youtube where everybody can use it i mean everyone can say his comment here even if he has poor knowledge i advice you to produce a book or debate if you really studied for 30 years.

[BonjourNuit12]

youcef you have to understand each person is part of God and each person means so much to God,God doesn't want to loose anyone,no person is insignificant to God

I have researched and wrote a book for 11 years until Sept.11,2001 occurred when I saw man take judgment out of God's hands then I could no longer write my book on Judgment for modern times,but coming here I get to have a greater understanding of Muslims and how to re-write considering them

Thank YOU for your great advice!

[bakib20]

FYI BonjourNuit3 .. Jews always called, calls and will call Yashua/Isa (I dont know how he got that J in the name .. Jesus ? .. Bible was written in Hebrew and there is no letter J in Hebrew :p) false prophet .. how are you guys taking care of them ..

[BonjourNuit9]

bakib we don't need your dirty nose in our bible that Muhammad claimed was falsified and at the same time said he was in the bible when he wasn't yet Muhammad could not read the many languages of the Bible to prove to himself his own claim

Jesus is Jesus in English we don't speak Hebrew or Arabic and in those languages are those names you fool

[BonjourNuit3]

Deedat being a devout Muslim,wants to believe Muh is the Ahmad(Holy Spirit) because of the He gender as well as other reasons but

the Holy Spirit means the Loving Presence of God

God alone is Omnipresent

God alone is with each person on earth to guide him or her

A True Prophet would have known that and he was to remind people of this fact for Abraham knew this

Muh thought he was the Ahmad or Holy Spirit that LIVES in all people on earth proving Muhammad was a false prophet John 14:15-21

[BonjourNuit3]

Muhammad failed the test proving he was not guided by God.

To have passed the test Muhammad would have to acknowledge Jesus was/is God and that Muhammad could not do

Muhammad failed the test because only those who understand the scriptures know the test of the spirit was that the spirit was to acknowledge Jesus as God otherwise the person was guided by an evil spirit as was Muhammad

[naliakbar]

was Any of the test that jesus set forth that says that the prophet has to acknowledge that jesus is god? no the only test we are left with is, that the prophet acknowledges that jesus is FROM god, and is the messiah. the quran is all i have to give you to show you we accept that in islam. so basically you dont even understand the test so how can you apply it?

[BonjourNuit3]

naliakbar Jesus claimed he is God

and Jesus proved He is God

Only Christians were to be anointed with the Holy Spirit not non Christians,said in simple terms only Christians were to become aware of God's own presence who is Jesus

and they were to test the spirit to make sure it wasn't their own imaginations

The Spirit of Truth or Comforter is Jesus,the test didn't even apply to Muh who was a false prophet anyway.

So it was Muh who do not understand the test

[naliakbar]

i know i can read english and the verse of 1 John 4:1 says:

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

test the spirit because many false prophets have gone out into the world, so a spirit and prophet are interchangable words. you dont have to accept your bible but that is up to you.

[BonjourNuit3]

nailiakbar no a spirit and a prophet are different,where does it say they are the same?

I do accept my bible and it proves as in this test that Muhammad failed it,because if he was guided by God he would have known Jesus is God.That is the test and Muh failed it because he was a false prophet

[positron66]

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God...

He who came from America are called Americans. So He who proceeded forth and came from God, is God indeed.

[positron66]

Jesus said God is His Father and He is one with His Father. If they are one, then both of them is God.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Rev 1:8) In other words, Jesus is the Almighty God.

[BonjourNuit3]

When Muslims want to claim Muhammad was mentioned in the Bible then Muslims command us to obey our own Bible but when the people of the book prove Muhammad was never mentioned in the Bible but instead that the Bible of both the Jews and the Christians proves Muhammad was a false prophet then of course the Bible to Muslims become no longer valid

[Dvsblue]

jorsak why do Christians still try to deny the Quran is perfect and irrefutable even when they see this proved in countless debates? You cannot try to prove something countless more knowlagable theologians have failed to do! Ahmad Deedat has proved the lies of the Bible. You are also forgetting Muslims do not disagree with Biblical events, we just disagree on how they actually happened!

[jorsak]

To quote (loosely) a Pastor that Deedat debated on the subject "Is Jesus God" Mr. Sjoberg "This mans assertions have been answered literally hundreds of times by hundreds of different people and yet he has no care or concern for the truth. He keeps repeating his arguments as if they have never been answered."

I have had the same experience here with NUMEROUS different Muslims. I have completely, line by line, word by word, answered a question to which they had NO rebuttal and yet...

[jorsak]

Did the person acknowledge it had been answered? Did they even say, "I understand your position and can provide no rebuttal but I don't agree." EVEN THAT I could respect. No, what did they do? The STANDARD Muslim thing... change to a new question without in any way shape or form acknowledging the previous discussion.

This has happened to me so many times that I feel it must be some sort of schooling you receive on how to address comments you cannot refute.

To date only TWO of literally...

[jorsak]

hundreds of different people that I've spoken the same arguments too have been man enough to admit that I answered their question.

Not that they had to agree but they they at least understood the position and would consider what I had said.

THIS is why!

His assertions are often flat out false and/or easily dismissed. He often argues points that are not just old but CENTURIES old and have LONG since been dismissed.

For example,...

[jorsak]

one of his favorite arguments is John 5:19 (as Deedat quotes it) "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself," to show that Jesus is not God and yet it is an excellent example of how Jesus IS God.

But to specifically answer your questions, "why do Christians still try to deny the Quran is perfect and irrefutable even when they see this proved in countless debates? ...theologians have failed to do! "

We do not believe it has been proved or that they have failed.

Continued...

[jorsak]

"Ahmad Deedat has proved the lies of the Bible."

No he has not. He has put forth assertions that range from flat out false to deceptive and his John 5:19 argument is a great example of deception. He intentionally argues the point from where the sentence ends in a comma (not a period) and demonstrates he intentionally does not want to discuss the REST of the sentence. To quote him, "If it was out of ignorance - then it is inexcusable. If it is intentional - then it is devilish!"

Continued..

[jorsak]

I would point out the argument to you, however it is in one of the numerous series that I have watched of Mr. Deedat. Hopefully you are familiar with the verse and argument.

If not, I apologize for not having a l;ink to the exact video for you.

Finally you assert, "You are also forgetting Muslims do not disagree with Biblical events, we just disagree on how they actually happened!"

Really? I never once stated anything contrary to that. I am quite familiar with the Muslim view of the Bible.

[ryanbest]

the bible is God's divine inspired word and no one can twist that truth.. even the most intelligent person alive.. they're just expanding their imagination by their limits and none ever reach to His ultimate wisdom as to why and how did everything occur. Many just create their own book to counterfeit the word of God, the Bible!

[ryanbest]

the bible is God's divine inspired word and no one can twist that truth.. even the most intelligent person alive.. they're just expanding their imagination by their limits and none ever reach to His ultimate wisdom as to why and how did everything occur. Many just create their own book to counterfeit the word of God, the Bible!

[vvernando]

Injil ''Bible'' is God's words..

But, Bible ''Bible'' is after the major 5 changes..

In Conclusion, the bible in the present time may contain maximum of 10% from the god's words.. the rest is just useless(nonproved)..and thats just my opinion anf if iam incorrect please correct me..

While, the Quraan comes and corrects the previous books.. MIRACLE

[ryanbest]

the bible is 100% God's word and nothing can twist that.. my friend. in that point, i'm going to correct you.

[koolkid8787]

how is it 100% gods word when it was written by 40 diff authors lol. prove to me that it hasnt been changed and that verses havent been taken out and put back in or permanently taken out. because deedat just proved that it has been. and he isnt talking just from hes own research. the fact that its been changed is approve by actual Christian scholars. so prove otherwise and i will convert.

[jorsak]

"how is it 100% gods word when it was written by 40 diff authors lol."

So your God is limited to communicating his message through one human? WOW! The Christian God can actually speak to and through anyone he wants. Maybe your God is just getting the hang of it.

Now, if you want to have a conversation, leave your arrogant snide comments behind and have a civil conversation or your will get comments like that made back at you.

[koolkid8787]

my god is ur god. and the point isnt that god cannot speak to 40 diff ppl he can my point is that if u read the bible its not written as the quran is written str8 from god is written as a story like a narrative story and its not direct from god otherwise it wudnt have contradictions in it. u wudnt have to take out verses or add verses previously taken out. another point is why didnt jesus say that he will inspire paul or john or mathew while he was alive. coz paul and john shape ur religion

[jorsak]

"my god is ur god."

We disagree. I do not believe that the God of the qur'an is the God of the Bible.

"its not direct from god otherwise it wudnt have contradictions in it. "

This is a common assertion. Exgetical study of scripture reveals it is untrue. feel free to show your "Best" contradiction and i will be happy to explain it from standard Christian theology.

"u wudnt have to take out verses or add verses previously taken out."

Also a false statement. It is commonly...

[jorsak]

asserted that there are these great lengths of passages that have been inserted and taken out. It is simply untrue.

The absolute BEST example is the comma johanneum - which is debated and that is a single portion of a single verse. Apart from that, there is nothing.

"another point is why didnt jesus say that he will inspire paul or john or mathew while he was alive. coz paul and john shape ur religion"

John, being one of the three closest of the disciples and "the one whom Jesus...

[koolkid8787]

u wudnt have to take out verses or add verses previously taken out."

Also a false statement.????????????????

mate wer have u been living. that statement is approved byy christian scholars. how many versions are there of the bible. why try defend something which u cant. dont spread lies mate

[jorsak]

"that statement is approved byy christian scholars."

False. Feel free to demonstrate.

There is ONE verse that is debated and that is the Comma Johanneum or 1 John 5:7. While majority scholarship asserts that PART of the verse is an interpolation, it is hardly a settled matter.

Outside of that verse it is attempted by some scholars that Mark 16:9-20 is added. However, any honest study of the arguement quickly shows that the verses are in over 99% of the manuscripts.

NOTHING...

[jorsak]

Additionally, instead of asserting that someone is a liar, produce your contradictory evidence. Until then, the statements stand and most certainly aren't a lie.

You might want to look up the term slander (or libel since it is in print) and see how those two behaviors square with your faith.

In mine, they are not a godly trait.

[jorsak]

The Qur'an contains numerous examples grammatical error, Contradiction, and twisting of historical events.

There is not one single historical event in the Bible that has been disproved.

The bible contains over 1500 detailed fulfilled prophecies.

Archaeological evidence continually supports the Bible.

In closing, You state, "While, the Quraan comes and corrects the previous books.. MIRACLE"

Doesn't it appear as "Convenient" to you that the book you follow "corrects" that which...

[jorsak]

Wow! Sorry for the multiple replies!

I was saying, isn't it convenient that the book that you follow "corrects" the one that proceeded it by 500+ years?

I will give you something to consider:

The Bible warns that Satan comes masquerading as an angel of light. It is a WARNING to be careful and aware that Satan attempts to fool people by appearing as a "good" angel.

Now, Mohamed receives a message from "Jibril" that is from God and it is the CORRECT version!

[jorsak]

Yet... this "Correct" version that follows some 500+ years results in

Jesus not being God and NOT dying on the cross to save humanity.

Hmmm... very interesting! This NEW message contradicts the old and the result is a belief that would (according to the prior message) lead you straight to hell!

I think it becomes evident to see who the source of the message is.

Be warned! Satan masquerades as an angel of light!

[jorsak]

The Qur'an contains numerous examples grammatical error, Contradiction, and twisting of historical events.

There is not one single historical event in the Bible that has been disproved.

The bible contains over 1500 detailed fulfilled prophecies.

Archaeological evidence continually supports the Bible.

In closing, You state, "While, the Quraan comes and corrects the previous books.. MIRACLE"

Doesn't it appear as "Convenient" to you that the book you follow "corrects" that which...

[dredwerkz]

The words of ALLAH is beautiful....Its hard to translate in the fulll perfect grammar...You can bring the best, the supreme lecturer, the best in the world or people like soorroosh to copy or write the same surah or verse same like Quran..with your own words...

The world of Allah..You cant..You cant beat how beautiful words of Allah is...

[jorsak]

The Qur'an contains numerous examples grammatical error, Contradiction, and twisting of historical events.

There is not one single historical event in the Bible that has been disproved.

The bible contains over 1500 detailed fulfilled prophecies.

Archaeological evidence continually supports the Bible.

In closing, You state, "While, the Quraan comes and corrects the previous books.. MIRACLE"

Doesn't it appear as "Convenient" to you that the book you follow "corrects" that which...

[dredwerkz]

Because it was written by a fulll grown english man geez...or many many man i dont know :D

[forzaitalia2]

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)...

from Qur'an 9:5

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book...

this is the word of your god. Praise be to Jesus Christ

[samari10]

good good,,its a first step..you said i am right and God doesnt make mistakes..well you say Muhammad pbuh is a false prophet..that can not been taken seriously because the bible isnt credible because of its many many errrors/contradictions

for example:

Matthew 24:36 - Jesus was not all-knowing.

John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 - Jesus was helpless.

2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 - 22 or 42 years old?

Ezra 2:65 and Nehemiah 7:67 - 200 or 245 singers?

only a few.bible is NOT from God

[samari10]

you people live in a world of denial..i dont take the bible serious because there are too many contradictions in it, in fact if there was only contradiction i even would not take it serious and like you say it is Gods word, wich is impossible, God dont and can not make many many errors/contradictions,,for He (Allah SWT) is allwise and dont make mistakes (charachteristic of God) sorry mate..but i am just telling the truth..

John 5:30 and 6:38 - Jesus and God had different wills. BIBLE!!!!!

[samari10]

everything you say doesn't make any sence..what is your source of knowledge..

you have to listen to mr. Ahmed Deedat if you want eternal salvation...just listen to him..because your bible has to many contradictions and errors..so dont rely on that book..read the koran..not 1 error i can tell you..because it is all clear..word of Allah SWT nobody else..

not like you who say the bible is the word of jesus..and jesus is God in humanform..doesnt make sence at all my friend..ciao

[BonjourNuit]

When Muslims want to claim Muh was mentioned in the bible,then bible becomes authenic but when the bible proves Muhammad was a false prophet then the bible in the eyes of Muslims become falsified.

But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever,Psalms 33-11

[samari10]

Because the bible isnt anymore original...it isnt in the state is was first..thats why the bible has been replaced for the quran..the best book that has ever been written..not one mistake..wich proves it is definetely the word of God..because human make mistakes it can not be from human and thats why it is the word of ALLAH SWT..i really feel sorry for you, all brainwashed people..

[BonjourNuit]

Islam could only exist by sweeping aside the bible for the bible proved Muhammad was a false prophet.Muh claimed he was a descendent of Ishmael and instantly that made him a false prophet because God said only through Isaac will come the covenant thus prophets never through Ishmael Genesis 17:18-21

[arieyhanz]

Syatan Rasul want His ummah(people) to prevent or fight with Syatan?? What kind of brain do you have? Such a trash mouth..

What kind of false prophet who demolish the pagan idols?? And why false prophet want His people to respect all prophets including Jesus(PBUH)?? Where is your common sense?

Prophet Muhammad didn't marriage 6 years old girl, but 9! On His age, marriage is like that was permitted not only Him did that.. Many and so common.. Is that wrong?? Fool..

[hellviolence]

...hahaha christians got owned!!!go home n think carefully christians...=)

[thung1]

Why does Sorrosh get cut off so many times int this?... Muhammed al rasool shaytan... YaYasoo al Ibn Allah!

[ripper00769]

Hands down this debate was a success to Mr. Deedat and eye opener for many non Muslims as well.

Shorosh lied many times through out this debate as if he thinks that ALL Arabic people don't know English and ALL English people don't know Arabic.

A Liar! Shorosh is.

Allah will judge him at the day of Judgement Inshallah.

[sphilip88]

deedat is like a cheap joker, it is obvious that quran talks about Abraham all the way JESUS CHRIST and is therefore 75% the HOLY BIBLE. there is nothing new in quran. most of quran is plagiarised by mohmed from jews folk stories. islamists are the most coward people on the face of the earth becoz they do not open their country to the rest of the world. let them open their countries to all humanity and give them freedom to practice their faith and you will find no muslim left.

[amooballer]

prove it prove it prove it. hahahaha here is something new "DONT SAY TRINITY" what else do you want to talk about? marriage? inheritance? divorce? the truth maybe!??? THE FACTS ABOUT GOD? oh ya ok... what does bible say about RAPE? hmmmmm how to rape? what types of rape? what the rape cost is? 50 sheckels of silver. hahaha ok thats ur religion. shame on you.

[thung1]

This is obviously islamic propoganda... how you can follow a prophet that has sex with a nine year old girl is beyond me....muhammed al rasool shaytan!

[Kite207]

I dont know that holy bible have many version until now. how come chritians belive in the holySSSS BibleSSSS now?

[zazyfaraz5]

anyone who is reading dis comment (i meant de muslims)..let us all read al-fateha to almarhum sheikh ahmad deedat for his JIHAD for ISlam in a new way..may Allah bless him with the hightest blessings...ala hazihi niah as-solehah, al-fateha......syukran

[zayn7860]

Thank you brother naliakbar, i wish we all muslims could become deedats, the message of Islam would change the whole world. Ameen

[tajdar23]

i feel very sorry for anis Cu's he look all the time a helpless who could not do any thing he don't know how to react or how to respond to question may ALLAH guide him right path and us too

[husam78aliraqi]

lol i liked the chageing versons one !

[denoum]

poor shoroosh his ass got so owned today

[ohicham]

allahoma irham sheikh Ahmed Deedat.

[Firaun111]

Amazing to witness, the verses from the Glorious Qur'an, when Allah Robbul Alamin, talks about "sealed eyes, ears, hearts". What a Miracle and Proof from Allah the Almighty! Alhamdulillah. Thanks naliakbar for your contribution to Islam.

[GangFighta]

yaman

[Tereeb]

how you know

[madina55]

lolzzzz BIG SHAME ON ANIS SORROSH! WHY IS HE HERE FOR? LOLZZZZ!!!

[Tasebhant]

Nailakbar you are really the best. THank you so much for posting this, May ALlah reward you I learn so much from Sheik Ahmed Deedat Allahirahmoe, Thanks to you I know about his lectures. May ALlah rest his soul and grant him Jennat Firdaus.

[naliakbar]

ameen

[FahadKhan1988]

Ameen!

[JarmenKill001]

Ameen

[Sammer1111]

lol...sorrosh is a joke...May Allah guide him

[mfanaji]

may Allah bless the soul of Ahmed Deedat

and thank you brother for posting these videos from him.

[madina55]

Ameen.