@Elberiver11 You are sick and need medical treatment. It is you who want war as you want to get back "Danzig". You are a demagogic LIAR. Everyone can read me and there is nothing dangerous or rascist. Read YOUR texts where you offended the Poles. You are dangerous also because you don't understand the written text.
I regret to say that Elberiver11 does not know the meaning of the sentences. For the others I would like to explain that in my opinion the revision of the borders in Europe is not possible but by the war. Germany lost their territories in consequence of each world war. Do they want to loose more?
@Elberiver11 You are lucky that you cancelled your last comment. Your ID number has already been established. There are penalties for such unfounded personal slurs. However you may avoid the penalty, only because you had proved you're mentally ill!
I don't suggest anything, and have/had some polish/half-polish friends myself, who shared my views.
Further, since germany is the EUs biggest payer -and was the strongest supporter of polands membership- and since poland got the biggest share of that money for years, hate and furious nationalism becomes even more ridicoulus.
Since germans where the overwhelming majority there, many parts of poland will always be part of our history.
See movie Wole Miasto Gdansk for accurate portrayal of how NDSAP turned German Danziger (even some Kazuby!) into vicious haters of Poles and Poland and formented war.
Moi dziadkowie urodzili się w Gdańsku, Ojciec też, ja także ale czuje się GDAŃSZCZANINEM i bardziej NIEMCEM niż Polakiem Gdańsk w czasach swojej świetności nigdy nie był Polski!
@MrTreeds Gdańsk stał sie najbogatszym miastem w europie i jednym z najbogatszych na świecie pod POLSKĄ koroną!!!!!Przez zdecydowana większośc istnienia był Polski.
Kiedyś to było piękne miasto, tak naprawdę Niemieckie, potem czerwoni splądrowali, zniszczyli i spalili co się dało, niby miasto zostało odbudowane ale tak naprawdę nie da się odbudować pewnych rzeczy, za komuny powstały szpecące miasto blokowiska takie jak Przymorze, Morena, Żabianka. Stare miasto zamieszkuje obecnie szlam (co drugie drzwi złodziej albo diler), do tego społeczeństwo nieciekawe...
Pozazdrościć osobie,która jest w posiadaniu tego filmu,serce bije mi jak młot?..kowalski,jakie to wielkie dla mnie przeżycie,móc obejrzeć Gdańsk przedwojenny,wspaniałe uczucie,pozdrawiam:)
... once again :..Exause me, but there are already some mistakes again...From League was only allowed a small Polish guards. The permission was limited to two Polish officers, 20 noncommissioned officers and a smaller crew contingent. (Not over 200 soldiers how you self told ...) Also it was given to Poland but no Polish territory, so it was irregular ....
@Nazi-Joker... Ty nieźle poje...ny jesteś nazistowska przebłędo zza Łaby.
Znajdź sobie jakieś odpowiednie zajęcie, zamiast zaśmiecać internet, np. pozbieraj pety na przystankach tramwajowych albo psie kupy z chodników... Wtedy twoje życie wreszcie nabierze jakiegoś sensu...
Bardzo fajny film . Pewnie z początku lat 30 bo nigdzie nie widać jeszcze flag ze swastykami . Które jak wiadomo wisiały w późniejszym okresie na każdym budynku prawie .
Yaht... Germans a lot of times broke deciding the Treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations in priorities (the militarization of state and Ruhr teritory, annexation of Austria, annexation and the occupation of Czechoslowakia)... Poles only prepared Westerpllate crew against German aggression... German-Soviets attack on Poland in 1939 and II WW, there were a real effect of the pact Ribentrop-Molotow (Nazi Germany - USSR) in 1939.
Yachtboy700 - It looks like you are a German and you dislike an idea that the whole paroxysm of the WW2 and what was next under Soviet occupation. I understand it. It is not funny to have such ancestors how to get with it with speakers from different nations around the world.
So let's try to turn all around: It is Poland who started to behave irresponsibly, it is Poland who is guilty for destroying all these fantastic cities from Gdansk to Warsaw and from Smolensk to Hamburg and Dresden.
Svantobor ....Exause me, but there are already some mistakes again...From League was only allowed a small Polish guards. The permission was limited to two Polish officers, 20 noncommissioned officers and a smaller crew contingent. (Not over 200 soldiers how you self told ...) Also it was given to Poland but no Polish territory, so it was irregular ....
Svantobor ....Partly true .... In 1924, the Westerplatte was irregular passed against the will of the administration of the city of Danzig to Poland. In 1930, the depot was irregular turned into a fortress.
@Yachtboy...You are telling fairy tales. WTS came into existence according to the League of Nations and FSD opinion (disabled creature formed by the League of Nations) was unimportant. Westerplatte (WTS) wasn't a fortress. "Fortress Westerplatte" is Nazi German fairy tales , which are supposed to explain, why Germans could not defeat 200 Polish soldiers for 7 days...
Westerplatte and the building of the Polish Post were a modest consolation for Poland for the loss of northern pearl. Though Poland return from the grave, where it drove in us thee Kingdom of Prussia, they hid their own booty.
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...the destroying began already with the irregular stationing from amunition depot through Poland (... even if many Poles see it differently ..) on the Westerplatte and later by Britisch bombers , once in June 1942 ! And later in 1945 ...of course by Russians and Germans ...unfortunately ...
Polish Military Transit Storehouse (WST)on Westerplatte was built in accordance with the law and with international arrangements. Not-including of Gdańsk to Poland after First World War and creatured the FSD - there were big mistakes...
@Yachtboy... Military Transit Storehouse (WST) on Westerplatte came into existence in 1926 in accordance with the law. The League of Nations decided in 1924 passing on the Weterplatte Peninsula to the Polish base of the trans-shipment of the weapon and the ammunition (since 1926).
it were the red army and the polish ppl after the war.
"Kennst du die Stadt am Bernsteinstrand..." The National hymn of the so called "Freistaat Danzig" was clearly pro german.
Over 96% of its inhabitants called themselves german. So there was no need to destroy anything for the Wehrmacht, because Danzig became German as it always was, after the fast Polish defeat in 1939, and remained it until the devastation, murderers and expulsions began in 1945.
@entenkrieger Are you suggesting that Wehrmacht was not defending Gdansk in 1945 ?
same as Königsberg or Wroclaw, Gdansk was defended by Germans, against Red Army. and destroyed badly, not as mach as Berlin or Wroclaw but still was destroyed by Germans.
Poles came to the city in 1946 and 47. Last 10 years city is beautiful again. I suggest you go and visit !!
Gdansk was part of Poland till 1790! remember that!
Its not like Germans would derstroy german cities, anyway - The only things which get destroyed by a defending army are streets and ammunition factories, for example. the historical buildings, the civilians, the stores and finally the peoples lives were taken by the conquerors.
its the same the other way round regarding the Nazi-dictatorship in eastern europe,even though they failed in the End, which allies did not.
@arka67 nope. I suggested nothing. If they were not criminals like the Nazis themselves, they maybe would have avoided raping, destroying, marauding, expelling or killing innocent people for revenge, but that's history and everybody knows that these crimes have been committed, also committed by order.
for every action, there is a reaction..... It's obvious crimes have been committed, but you Germans (your elites) knew well before 1939 that Hitler is "fucked up" guy !! and you allowed him to "concur the World".
Now, today in Poland we celebrate our Polish Gdansk and Wroclaw!!
@arka67 I won't start going back in history, it would take too long..
There were crimes and discriminations decades earlier on polish side,but that's not what you want to hear.
How about celebrating the new white russian cities?Or katyn?If you want to celebrate Stalin, go on.
I led enough discussions like these.. farewell, live well in these cities without any polish culture. feel at home were no homes are,only homes for the ones who can't see the difference between polish and german culture.
you do not want to talk about history, but you bring Stalin, Katyn and Polish couture. YOU still do not get it, You Germans made that war, and WW1, you also made Poland disappeared in 1800, I am not sure what exactly do you expect ? Poland is not going anywhere! we are here to stay for long time !! get used to it !!
@arka67 There's no historical fact in this useless,contentless accusation.
THAT'S why I do not want to continue this discussion -it is none, and it will not be one,until you look facts up and stop concentrating on the things you want to believe.
BTW:The German Burgeoise always supported the Polish wish for indepence in its true borders, the linguistic border, which excluded only parts of Posen(poznan) as polish territories in a german state.This changed cause of Polish behaviour at last in 1919.
about German elites supporting Polish independence..... you mean in 1800 ?? be more specific ??
Bismarck made so mach damage in our Polish-German relations.... that basically till today we pay the consequences... Polish uprising 1848 was the beginning of our "hate". Problem started in 1795 !
@entenkrieger useless,contentless accusation..... I am accusing you of anything .... there are historical facts, which Poles and you Germans looks completely different at.... for Poles. Silesian 1919-21 uprisings was patriotic straggle gains German tyranny... for German... polish bandits and criminals killing innocent German woman and children.... we will never agree on many things !
@entenkrieger Learn history german fuck.Gdańsk was founded by Polish king.Throughout history it was for 750 years Polish and for 270 Prussian.So it was always Polish city stolen by Prusacks.It was Royal city for ages.Study german bitch study!!!
@Elberiver11 I am afraid, we will never give you GDAŃSK back you german sons of the bitches. I am sorry. And you must remember, that GDAŃSK is the only one correct name of OUR city.
@Elberiver11 Slaughter from 1308 of real citizens of Gdańsk and german immigration on their place, doesn't make this city german. Thru over 700 from 1000 years history of this town, it was part of Poland.
@LemurekPL LOL Polish mathematics. You are a country of idiots and criminals.
And the city was 97 percent Poles, right? LOL it was a German city. You stole it, and you commited a massmurder of Danzig children, women and elderly people in 1945, with your mongolian Rapist Red-Army friends. Learn history, Dupa.
@Elberiver11 LOL You are hypocrite. You are calling Poles as murderers, just after German killed 600000 of citizens of Poland, but you don't show me any events or mass graves as evidence? You can't! What you did with citizens of Gdynia and villiges around it? Germans killed them in Piaśnica. After all Germans became majority of town after similar event, massacre of citizens of Gdańsk by Teutonic Knights. So who is criminal?
@Elberiver11 Hahaha! Wishful thinking. You will never come back to Gdansk. Learn from the past history - when Posen/Poznan was given back to Poland in 1919 the Germans could not agree and started another war 1939 and... lost Breslau/Wroclaw and Stettin/Szczecin 1945. What are you going to loose next time? Maybe Rostock Cottbus or even Leipzig and Dresden?
hahaha "learning from history", from whose history, from Hollywood-propaganda written by BurgerKing in USA and Communist dictatorship Poland? lol
According to Polish history, Dresden, Berlin (and maybe Hamburg and Paris and London) are all "native slavic cities"! Polish argumentation: "We had one great Polish pig-sty and 3 great slavic latrines there 2000 years ago". Wow! What a an argumentation.
And Berlin is "great Polish city", too. Come on and take it lol
@Elberiver11 Just try to take Gdansk and you will loose more. Are you retarded? Did I write Berlin or Dresden was Polish? It was a warning for Germans who would like to get i.e. Gdansk back. You WILL LOOSE MORE. I'll bet my money on a bobtail nag... and so one. You are funny.
@SerskiGuslar Danzig, Königsberg or Breslau were100 percent German city, but Dresden, Berlin or Leipzig was NEVER Polish city.
Difference.
You Poles lie by delibarete omission.
Prof. Dr. Robert Higgs, who also proved that your American friends are guilty of both starting war on Germany AND Japan, proves how Allies (your side of war) falsify history by picking out one truth, while HIDING another part.
Read about how the USA are guilty of PEARL HARBOUR - and not Japan.
@SerskiGuslar Likewise, the Poles claim that Danzig or Breslau were "Polish", without a single Pole living there!
Danzig had 3 percent Polish guest workers and 97 percent Germans. A "Polish city"? These Germans descended from a slavic-german mixed population, but they clearly stated in 1919 that they did NOT want to join Polish.
Poles forced millions of Germans in 1919 to become "Polish", against their will. Do not complain about Hitler, when you behave like Hitler yourself.
@SerskiGuslar haha if you Poles knew how all of Europe is laughing about you! lol
Last time you had the same stupid big mouth, and tried to take "great Polish city" of Dresden and Berlin, we conquered your backward country of thieves at the edge of Europe in only 4 weeks, hahaha! Your military leader Rydz-Smigley ran away from the fight! And you lost ! hahaha
Polish cowards haha have a big mouth and want to fight, and then they lose the war they started, they cry like babies lol
@SerskiGuslar hahaha, you lost war after 4 weeks. Polish thieves ran away from the fight lol
You were unable to defend your own country lol Red Nazi Dictator Stalin won the war for you lol But '"Great Slavic brother" Russia fucked you and placed you under Communist terror rule.
I think Poles deserved being fucked by Stalin, Poles were main culprits of German-Polish conflict = main source for world war two.
@SerskiGuslar Polish criminals in 1930ies even claimed that Berlin is "great slavic city". LOOOOOOOOL Funny funny Poles! London and Paris is "great slavic city", right? Maybe you invaded England and France?
Did you Poles have a "Great Slavic toilet" in New York. too? Then New York city is great Polish land! hahahaha
Poland is a country of mad insane lunatics and aggressive warmongers. Go visit psychiatric hospital, Serski Dupa. You are psychotic person, przyjaciel hahaha
Nie mogę oglądać takich zdjęć bo płacze i jednocześnie jestem strasznie w***wiony że nie tylko Gdańsk ale dziesiątki miast równie pięknych już nie istenija JAK MOGLIŚMY DO TEGO DOPUŚCIĆ ???
Cracow was in Hanseatic League. Hans Frank had reasons, to choose Cracow as the abode of own residence. Decide at last, whether lasting eight hundred years the membership to the crown is essential, whether not.
Do not joke. Who came to Poland and settled in Poland, had to sit down the obedience to the Polish of king. We were glad very much from the presence of Germans. The architectural daintiness possess.
połowy z pokazywanych budynków już nie ma a te co są to marne kopie oryginałów. Na nieszczęście zafajdany adamowicz (prez Gdańska) zamiast odtwarzać to co było piekne, zezwala na stawianie na Głównym i Starym Mieście nowoczesnej zabudowy ze szkła i aluminium (Szeroka, Długie Pobrzeże, Wartka, Sukiennicza,Karmelicka, Rajska,Targ Rybny,Lastadia,Grodzka). Jeszcze kilka takich inwestycji i Starówka będzie miała mało starówkowy charakter.... wszystko dzięki temu bydlakowi.
Dokłdnie jak się patrzy na te nowoczesne budynki to normalnie rzygać się chce. To są baraki w porównani do pięknych renesansowychy i neorenesansowych budynków. Marzy mi się własnie dokładne zrekonstruawanie Głównego i Starego Miasta. Szczególnie odbudowa budynku Nadprezydentury, Landeshausu i Danziger Hofu. Sądzę, że wtedy Gdańsk byłby najpiękniejszym miastem w Polsce.
nie licz na to. Był plan odbudowy Danziger Hoffu ale już się wyleczyli. Na Targu Siennym (a to już jako ciekawostkę podaję) planują nową inwestycję... padło magiczne słowo apartamentowce. I jak znam życie vis a vis ABW będzie stało gó..o ze szkła im. Adamowicza (wystarczy spojrzeć co stawiają na Szafarni. To biedne miasto jest dymane w du..ę tylko po to by adamowicz ze świtą mogli wyszarpać jak najwięcej kasy.
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A nice of the city of Danzig. German forever to its immortal soul. The city of Danzig was finely restored by Poland with European Union German taxpayers' money of course. The original inhabitants (99 % Germans) still live in exile or died. The razen graves in Danzig however state clearly: "We remain German!"
it was only in 1930s, when the crazy idiots from NSDAP and German nationalist movement started to associate nationality in Gdansk with belonging to a state. Therefore, they argumented, when there is a German majority, the city must belong to Germany. It was WRONG idea, which was proven very fast. Nazis started the unprecedented - UNKNOWN BEFORE - policy of "ethnic cleansing" and hostility towards minorities in Gdansk.
OldWaysFollower, you're view is correct. The promlem is that few people knows the facts, either in Germany or Poland. The history of Gdansk/Danzig is being distorted - with groundless hatred. In fact, regardless of their ethnic/religious backgrounds, the residents in Gdansk/Danzig had for centuries loved each other until the NSDAP's manoeuvring infiltrated there to agitate against Poland and Poles in the 1930s.
Gdańsk IS Polish city, whether one likes it (as me) or not (as some people here). For most part of its history, Gdansk DID belong to Poland, for some - to Prussia, while for some years it was a "Free City" or "City-State".
Anyway, state membership did not depend on nationalities of Gdansk's inhabitants. There were many Poles, Germans, Jews, also Swedes, Danish, Dutch people, Scots, Irish, even English.
read many books and I wrote some. And once again I have to repeat: Polish people, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Germans all fought for Gdansk, Lwow, Wilno. These cities cannot belong to one nation, they are cities belonging to one, united Europe. You asked about UPA. UPA fought for a free Ukraine the same way AK fought for a free Poland. Both guerilla forces committed inexcusable crime against other nations.
You are right. But then Germans, Lithuanians and Ukrainians also died defending these cities. That is why I believe these cities can not belong to one nation, they belong to one Europe.
Look at Gdańsk now... Elbląg, Toruń, Warsaw etc. and compare to... Kaliningrad. There are much things to do still, but most of the real historic look of those cityies was preserved and restored, what i cannot say about Kaliningrad.
The Russians in Königsberg do not receive the billions from German taxpayers' purses like the EU entry of Poland did. Danzig, Elbing, Thorn etc. are a bit restored. But like Allenstein etc. I have an elderly friend from our student fraternity born there in 1936, in Allenstein, he says actually not that much is restored. The German graveyards are still desecrated, destroyed. Not even one memorial. Only Ermland bishop Dr. Edmund Picsz did good work for reconciliation.
HAHA, don`t even try to speak about €U like that, when Poland entered it? WHEN? Those 16bln € a year are a 'pocket money' for a country like Poland with $620,9 bln GDP, even our emigres in GB are investing more only in HOUSING market here. Thorn... another, i`ve looked up its coins, every got "Civitas Torunensis" and of course a Polish King... names like 'Thorn', 'Danzig' are just made up after partitions, a German spellings of those cityies names. I know very little about Olsztyn at now.
Made up after Partitions? That is a vile lie, a Pan-Slavic propaganda story for bedtime created by yourself. Thorn, Danzig, Bromberg are names already in Dutch (Amsterdam and Nijmegen) archives with documents of 1240, from the Hanseatic League time. DO NOT TRY TO SELL LIES from POLISH IMPERIALISTS!!! And you suddenly do not remember the German history of Allenstein and other cities started by the Teutonic Order? Nothing bout Sw. Lipka/Heiligelinde in Ermland?
Hahah, you`re lacking sources and pushing your miserable German spellings as a real names, while i can show you originall documets (coins are such as well) with the real names. I`m not even saying that it was really Gdańsk, or Gduńsk (Kashubian), but "Gedanum". "Bromberg"... it had no coins, it was not a royal city, it`s Latin name was "Bydgostia", of course referring to the native Polish name "Bydgoszcz".
Imperialism... you`re really funny. Yes, Allenstein is an original name.
Bromberg was an Hanseatic League city. It was forbidden for ethnic Poles and Jews to enter it. Danzig was German speaking too. You know Colbergensis Civitas and the Civitas Hirschbergensis? And of course Slavic rudimentary forms were taken over by the German Monastics and Bishops who prepared the East Settlement of Germans, Dutch, Flemings, Danes and French into the empty West Slavic territories formally part of "Poland" previously.
In this matter we will agree . Not only German and Polish tax-payers are robbed taxes. Remaining of 25 countries also. Every grant-in-aid is many times diminished for salaries, prizes and bonuses for clerks. Grant-in-aids would not be necessary with low taxes.
First of all the name "Dazig" appears after Prussia stole it, before that it was "Gedanum" eventually "Datsike".
Kashubians are Poles, the same as Masurians, Masovians, Kuyavians etc. are and Germans NEVER were majority in Pommerelia, only in Gdańsk and few other cityies, while the rest was predominatelly Polish.
And what a was 1793? What was legal in that? This is only your pangermanic POV... The Kingdom was also Republic (1st republic), see my background "Res Publica sine status Regni"
I invite you to read the names of the City councilmen in 1219 in the "Stadtebuch der Stad Danzig" (1755). I am not Pan-Germanic. And the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was not a Republic in the modern sense. Res publica means public matter, state.
So what does 'Repubic' means if not that? No, not in the present, but in the 'Plato' sense. I know much more Germans in Poland or polonised Germans, who contributed in developement of this state and especially my city... i know also what Germans did to thier heritage. For example near to Warsaw old town is Mariensztat(Marien-Stadt), whole "antique" neighborhood. Still those councils doesn`t make majority of the citisens, you just cannot proove this claim, so don`t use such general statemants.
All Councilmen of Danzig in 1220 for instance were German-named. Bernhard, Gerhard, Thietmar, Bodo, Richardus, Georgius, Johannes Hartmannus, all German names. They were representative of Danzig's citizens, elected.
So? Elected by whom? By citisens? That was not egalitar democracy, even the Polish-Lithuanian Republic wasn`t egalitar democracy (until constitution and decalration of Połaniec, but soon destroyed by absolutist neighbors). I tell you, i don`t care, German, Dutch, Polish, Czech, whatever... Polish citisen is a Polish citisen and "Prussian confederation" called itselve like that.
Poland had rights to Gdańsk to the year 1793? Why? Many times you spoke that Gdańsk had been of German always. And not from XVIII century. Decide . Why to 1793? We sold? We presented? Little cherry-tree on the layer cake? The pearl north?
Yes, they were not innocent. It was an anti-German genocide in fact. I do not blame modern Poles, Lemkos, Ukrainians etc. now living in Breslau, Danzig, Stettin of course. But I want Poland to stop the false historical falsification that these cities were "ancient Polish". They were not. They independent and founded as Cities by Germans. Only by Germans. Sometimes inside Polish Kingdom (Danzig), sometimes inside Silesian Piast Bohemian independence.
LusitiaPax... that`s no lie what was written in the "Life of Saint Adalbert of Prague". Issueing a Magdeburg or Lubeck city rights doesn`t make a city, makes only its law. And since there are no pre-XXc etchnic censuses, hold your imagination in this case.
No problem what the first name was. By 1900 96 % of the inhabitants of Danzig were Germans, and in 1700 90 % were, with 10 % Jews. That is the reality. The Germans came peacefully, but they were deported like cattle in 1945 and murdered like pigs by Poles, Soviets nad Czechs. Those were war crimes too. In times of "peace" (after 8 May, 1945!). Until 1949.
Again... you wasn`t able with me, so you choosed other to make fools from them... In 1700 noone was makeing etchnic censuses, noone was interested in it, so you can only GUESS how looked like etchnicy of Gedanum. Germans came peacefully, German merchants and colonists, but not the Hohenzollerns and noone made them to declare a subjects of the Poland in the thirteen years war.
It is not about the Hohenzollern dynasty, but about Danzig's citizens who were Germans. Just look to 1200 Council Men lists. Is Thietmar de Gorlize and Bernhardus Steinmacherus a typical Polish or Slavic name?
Yeah, you`ll now referre to the German sources saying about what`s an 'originall' name? Be serious... Thietmar is medieval and at his time there were few Germans on east of Elbe, not to mention some Pommeriania or Silesia.
So if it`s about the Gedanum citisens, what`s the difference it it`s a "Res Publica sine status Regni" holdeing it, or a German "Empire"? For it`s citisens it was a difference as they faced 7 times higher taxes and complete marginalization. WHO CARES WHO THEY WERE?
Most Kashubians who had served in the German Army in World War One and World War Two were expelled by the Poles of Bierut in 1946. Of course many remained. But many were deported to the west like the Germans.
Bullshit, no Kashubians were expelled, those who could proove thier partly German ancestry fled from communism many years after war, when west Germany invited them. Sadly there was no "western Poland" to which we could flee...
Then why were also the maternal line Kashubian ancestors of leftist German writer Günter Grass expelled? Well, Mr Grass in retrospect should have been left behind with the Communists which he later on supported constantly. I would have gladly accepted Polish refugees from Communist tyranny. I am not anti-Polish. Neither was West Germany ever. But History cannot be falsified. Not by SS Himmler, not by Poles, not by Soviets, not by Czechs.
You know what Gunter Grass confessed recently? West Germany? East-West... what`s a difference, Germans always claimed our inferiority... so why they were migrateing through centuries to Silesia, Pommeriania, Pommerelia etc? Noone was denyeing that. Why you put only the Poles and Czechs as a nations to your last sentence and not Germans and Russians? Nazis and Soviets were some 'virtual' people or wahat? and we choosed our fate during and after WWII?? THIS is falsification.
I do not blame all Poles, but I do blame the Polish state of 1945 and Polish MILICIANS for the Genocide and Expulsion of Germans. And I do blame all Poles who deny the German heritage and the anti-German genocide. But not the Polish nation. Not all Czechs. Of course not. I have got Polish and Czech friends. Catholics who admit the crimes of the past. Who do not try to sell cheap Pan-Slavic or Communist anti-German propaganda stories about Breslau, Danzig or Brünn.
But you say "don`t twist the history according to Poles, Czech, some nazis, some soviets"... you really don`t see the difference? After 1945 there was no free Polish state and the real Polish goverment worked in London till 1991. Noone denyies the German (and others) heritage, you thinks that why those cityies are rebuilded to thier ORIGINALL status? Sorry, 'Breslau' is another German spelling, originall name was 'Wratislavia', city founded by the Great Moravian Duke, Wratislav.
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Elberiver11 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar is insane crazy person from psychiatric hospital. Careful, dangerous person !
He wants war and murder, this person is racist and dangerous.
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 You are sick and need medical treatment. It is you who want war as you want to get back "Danzig". You are a demagogic LIAR. Everyone can read me and there is nothing dangerous or rascist. Read YOUR texts where you offended the Poles. You are dangerous also because you don't understand the written text.
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
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Elberiver11 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar oh, i do understand the fraudulent text very well, prszyjaciel!
You insinuated Poles wanted to rob LEIPZIG and DRESDEN. Your country officially claimed in 1931 BERLIN is "native Polish city". Ha!
You foolishly revealed how Polish aggressors are the cause of war, thanks for unmasking yourself and your country's intentions of THEFT.
Leipzig, Dresden. Danzig, Berlin might have been slavic 2000 years ago, but not in 1945.
ALL these cities were, are, and always will be German.
Elberiver11 1 week ago
I regret to say that Elberiver11 does not know the meaning of the sentences. For the others I would like to explain that in my opinion the revision of the borders in Europe is not possible but by the war. Germany lost their territories in consequence of each world war. Do they want to loose more?
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 You are lucky that you cancelled your last comment. Your ID number has already been established. There are penalties for such unfounded personal slurs. However you may avoid the penalty, only because you had proved you're mentally ill!
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
Danzig niemec na zawsze.
Elberiver11 4 months ago
Między wojną a wojną był wolnym miastem.
TheMateusz998 4 months ago
interesting how aggressive reactions are here.
I don't suggest anything, and have/had some polish/half-polish friends myself, who shared my views.
Further, since germany is the EUs biggest payer -and was the strongest supporter of polands membership- and since poland got the biggest share of that money for years, hate and furious nationalism becomes even more ridicoulus.
Since germans where the overwhelming majority there, many parts of poland will always be part of our history.
.THE END.
entenkrieger 5 months ago
@entenkrieger Are YOU a payer? This could explain this friendship...
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
See movie Wole Miasto Gdansk for accurate portrayal of how NDSAP turned German Danziger (even some Kazuby!) into vicious haters of Poles and Poland and formented war.
IanHunedoara8 5 months ago
Moi dziadkowie urodzili się w Gdańsku, Ojciec też, ja także ale czuje się GDAŃSZCZANINEM i bardziej NIEMCEM niż Polakiem Gdańsk w czasach swojej świetności nigdy nie był Polski!
MrTreeds 6 months ago
@MrTreeds Wypierdalaj do Niemiec.
jozek655 6 months ago
@jozek655 Pozdrawiam z Berlina.
MrTreeds 6 months ago
@MrTreeds Dziękuję za pozdrowienia z Berlina. Ja pozdrawiam Cię z Krakowa.
jozek655 6 months ago
@MrTreeds Gdańsk stał sie najbogatszym miastem w europie i jednym z najbogatszych na świecie pod POLSKĄ koroną!!!!!Przez zdecydowana większośc istnienia był Polski.
MrThorn88 5 months ago
@MrTreeds Więc ucz się historii szwabie jebany zamiast pierdolić bzdety
MrThorn88 5 months ago
Kiedyś to było piękne miasto, tak naprawdę Niemieckie, potem czerwoni splądrowali, zniszczyli i spalili co się dało, niby miasto zostało odbudowane ale tak naprawdę nie da się odbudować pewnych rzeczy, za komuny powstały szpecące miasto blokowiska takie jak Przymorze, Morena, Żabianka. Stare miasto zamieszkuje obecnie szlam (co drugie drzwi złodziej albo diler), do tego społeczeństwo nieciekawe...
MrTreeds 6 months ago
@MrTreeds Tak na prawde to jesteś idiotą
MrThorn88 5 months ago
Na bramie sa teraz zdjęcia jak to było zrujnowane.. po wojnie az dziw bierze ze dało się cokolwiek odbudować... to była całkowita ruina..
TequilAndLime 6 months ago
gdansk is always polen,poland,polski!
43irek 1 year ago 2
Red Army destroyed Gdansk, not Wehrmaht!
pierosio64 1 year ago
@pierosio64 ........ But Germany started this war... right.... or maybe I'm wrong...?
TequilAndLime 6 months ago
Pozazdrościć osobie,która jest w posiadaniu tego filmu,serce bije mi jak młot?..kowalski,jakie to wielkie dla mnie przeżycie,móc obejrzeć Gdańsk przedwojenny,wspaniałe uczucie,pozdrawiam:)
lotniskoful 1 year ago
@lotniskoful moja babcia urodzila sie w gdansku chociaz rodzice jej z duisburga opowiadala mi o tym
tommi59tk 6 months ago
It's amazing how precisely it was re-built by Poles - in the most part Gdańsk looks like this now.
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... once again :..Exause me, but there are already some mistakes again...From League was only allowed a small Polish guards. The permission was limited to two Polish officers, 20 noncommissioned officers and a smaller crew contingent. (Not over 200 soldiers how you self told ...) Also it was given to Poland but no Polish territory, so it was irregular ....
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MrJoker5140 2 years ago
@Nazi-Joker... Ty nieźle poje...ny jesteś nazistowska przebłędo zza Łaby.
Znajdź sobie jakieś odpowiednie zajęcie, zamiast zaśmiecać internet, np. pozbieraj pety na przystankach tramwajowych albo psie kupy z chodników... Wtedy twoje życie wreszcie nabierze jakiegoś sensu...
Svantobor 2 years ago
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MrJoker5140 2 years ago
@Nazi-Joker... Nie krzycz na swoją matkę...!
Svantobor 2 years ago
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Nie problem być bystrzejszy od ciebie dzieciaku neo... Woda w klozecie to przy tobie wodospad...
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POLEN...entschuldigen uns für 1939 ;(
Deutschlandalles 2 years ago
Bardzo fajny film . Pewnie z początku lat 30 bo nigdzie nie widać jeszcze flag ze swastykami . Które jak wiadomo wisiały w późniejszym okresie na każdym budynku prawie .
Yakuzapl 2 years ago
POLSKA
Husar966 2 years ago 8
POLSKIE KRÓLEWSKIE MIASTO GDAŃSK na zawsze !!!
Polish Royal City Gdańsk forever!!!
Die Polnische Königs Stadt Gdańsk für immer!!!
Польский Королевский Город Гданьск навсегда!!!
Svantobor 2 years ago 3
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That would be to have no justification for Germany to attack Poland, but it is for the history not without significance .....
yachtboy700 2 years ago
Yaht... Germans a lot of times broke deciding the Treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations in priorities (the militarization of state and Ruhr teritory, annexation of Austria, annexation and the occupation of Czechoslowakia)... Poles only prepared Westerpllate crew against German aggression... German-Soviets attack on Poland in 1939 and II WW, there were a real effect of the pact Ribentrop-Molotow (Nazi Germany - USSR) in 1939.
Svantobor 2 years ago
Yachtboy700 - It looks like you are a German and you dislike an idea that the whole paroxysm of the WW2 and what was next under Soviet occupation. I understand it. It is not funny to have such ancestors how to get with it with speakers from different nations around the world.
So let's try to turn all around: It is Poland who started to behave irresponsibly, it is Poland who is guilty for destroying all these fantastic cities from Gdansk to Warsaw and from Smolensk to Hamburg and Dresden.
marqoz44 2 years ago
Svantobor ....Exause me, but there are already some mistakes again...From League was only allowed a small Polish guards. The permission was limited to two Polish officers, 20 noncommissioned officers and a smaller crew contingent. (Not over 200 soldiers how you self told ...) Also it was given to Poland but no Polish territory, so it was irregular ....
yachtboy700 2 years ago
Svantobor ....Partly true .... In 1924, the Westerplatte was irregular passed against the will of the administration of the city of Danzig to Poland. In 1930, the depot was irregular turned into a fortress.
yachtboy700 2 years ago
@Yachtboy...You are telling fairy tales. WTS came into existence according to the League of Nations and FSD opinion (disabled creature formed by the League of Nations) was unimportant. Westerplatte (WTS) wasn't a fortress. "Fortress Westerplatte" is Nazi German fairy tales , which are supposed to explain, why Germans could not defeat 200 Polish soldiers for 7 days...
Svantobor 2 years ago
Westerplatte and the building of the Polish Post were a modest consolation for Poland for the loss of northern pearl. Though Poland return from the grave, where it drove in us thee Kingdom of Prussia, they hid their own booty.
AZsaturn 2 years ago 2
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...the destroying began already with the irregular stationing from amunition depot through Poland (... even if many Poles see it differently ..) on the Westerplatte and later by Britisch bombers , once in June 1942 ! And later in 1945 ...of course by Russians and Germans ...unfortunately ...
yachtboy700 2 years ago
Polish Military Transit Storehouse (WST)on Westerplatte was built in accordance with the law and with international arrangements. Not-including of Gdańsk to Poland after First World War and creatured the FSD - there were big mistakes...
Svantobor 2 years ago
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@Svantobor ....It was forbidden to store Muniton ...that `s the point ...
yachtboy700 2 years ago
@Yachtboy... Military Transit Storehouse (WST) on Westerplatte came into existence in 1926 in accordance with the law. The League of Nations decided in 1924 passing on the Weterplatte Peninsula to the Polish base of the trans-shipment of the weapon and the ammunition (since 1926).
Svantobor 2 years ago
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97% wanted to be German ...Poland bears the responsibility for his destruction of this city !!! You can tell what you want ...
yachtboy700 2 years ago
Yahtboy... Poland rebuilt the City, which was destroyed by Soviets and Germans, and now City is Polish in 100 %...
Svantobor 2 years ago
I thought Red Army with Wehrmacht destroyed city !
arka67 2 years ago 11
@arka67
it were the red army and the polish ppl after the war.
"Kennst du die Stadt am Bernsteinstrand..." The National hymn of the so called "Freistaat Danzig" was clearly pro german.
Over 96% of its inhabitants called themselves german. So there was no need to destroy anything for the Wehrmacht, because Danzig became German as it always was, after the fast Polish defeat in 1939, and remained it until the devastation, murderers and expulsions began in 1945.
entenkrieger 1 year ago
@entenkrieger Are you suggesting that Wehrmacht was not defending Gdansk in 1945 ?
same as Königsberg or Wroclaw, Gdansk was defended by Germans, against Red Army. and destroyed badly, not as mach as Berlin or Wroclaw but still was destroyed by Germans.
Poles came to the city in 1946 and 47. Last 10 years city is beautiful again. I suggest you go and visit !!
Gdansk was part of Poland till 1790! remember that!
arka67 1 year ago
@arka67 Defenders do not destry cities.
The enemy's artillery and bombers do so.
Its not like Germans would derstroy german cities, anyway - The only things which get destroyed by a defending army are streets and ammunition factories, for example. the historical buildings, the civilians, the stores and finally the peoples lives were taken by the conquerors.
its the same the other way round regarding the Nazi-dictatorship in eastern europe,even though they failed in the End, which allies did not.
entenkrieger 1 year ago
@entenkrieger
are you suggesting that Red Army should stop advancing in to Germany 1944. So the German cities can be saved ??
arka67 1 year ago
@arka67 nope. I suggested nothing. If they were not criminals like the Nazis themselves, they maybe would have avoided raping, destroying, marauding, expelling or killing innocent people for revenge, but that's history and everybody knows that these crimes have been committed, also committed by order.
entenkrieger 1 year ago
@entenkrieger
for every action, there is a reaction..... It's obvious crimes have been committed, but you Germans (your elites) knew well before 1939 that Hitler is "fucked up" guy !! and you allowed him to "concur the World".
Now, today in Poland we celebrate our Polish Gdansk and Wroclaw!!
arka67 1 year ago
@arka67 I won't start going back in history, it would take too long..
There were crimes and discriminations decades earlier on polish side,but that's not what you want to hear.
How about celebrating the new white russian cities?Or katyn?If you want to celebrate Stalin, go on.
I led enough discussions like these.. farewell, live well in these cities without any polish culture. feel at home were no homes are,only homes for the ones who can't see the difference between polish and german culture.
entenkrieger 1 year ago
@entenkrieger
you do not want to talk about history, but you bring Stalin, Katyn and Polish couture. YOU still do not get it, You Germans made that war, and WW1, you also made Poland disappeared in 1800, I am not sure what exactly do you expect ? Poland is not going anywhere! we are here to stay for long time !! get used to it !!
arka67 1 year ago
@arka67 There's no historical fact in this useless,contentless accusation.
THAT'S why I do not want to continue this discussion -it is none, and it will not be one,until you look facts up and stop concentrating on the things you want to believe.
BTW:The German Burgeoise always supported the Polish wish for indepence in its true borders, the linguistic border, which excluded only parts of Posen(poznan) as polish territories in a german state.This changed cause of Polish behaviour at last in 1919.
entenkrieger 1 year ago
@entenkrieger
historical facts ?? what exactly do you mean ??
about German elites supporting Polish independence..... you mean in 1800 ?? be more specific ??
Bismarck made so mach damage in our Polish-German relations.... that basically till today we pay the consequences... Polish uprising 1848 was the beginning of our "hate". Problem started in 1795 !
arka67 1 year ago
@entenkrieger useless,contentless accusation..... I am accusing you of anything .... there are historical facts, which Poles and you Germans looks completely different at.... for Poles. Silesian 1919-21 uprisings was patriotic straggle gains German tyranny... for German... polish bandits and criminals killing innocent German woman and children.... we will never agree on many things !
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@entenkrieger Learn history german fuck.Gdańsk was founded by Polish king.Throughout history it was for 750 years Polish and for 270 Prussian.So it was always Polish city stolen by Prusacks.It was Royal city for ages.Study german bitch study!!!
MrThorn88 5 months ago
@arka67 Because they did.Poles rebuilt it
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Svantobor 2 years ago
Simplified History of Gdańsk - summary:
ab. 750 years - Poland
ab. 3 centuries - stateless Slavic
ab. 270 years - Germany
ab. 27 years - Free City
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Svantobor 2 years ago
Gdansk belongs to Germany. Polish are just a tourists?
EUcitizenLT 2 years ago
Gdańsk był, jest i zawsze będzie Polski!
seweryn79 2 years ago 5
jesteś idiotą gdańsk był ogólnie narodowy
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MrJoker5140 2 years ago
@seweryn79 False. Danzig was German city. But all people murdered and expelled by Polish criminals in 1945.
Danzig was a German city, and Poland will have to give it back one day. I am sorry :)
Elberiver11 4 months ago
@Elberiver11 I am afraid, we will never give you GDAŃSK back you german sons of the bitches. I am sorry. And you must remember, that GDAŃSK is the only one correct name of OUR city.
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Elberiver11 1 week ago
@pl91josh Nobody in Europe says "Gdansk" lol What a fucking ugly word lol
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 Slaughter from 1308 of real citizens of Gdańsk and german immigration on their place, doesn't make this city german. Thru over 700 from 1000 years history of this town, it was part of Poland.
LemurekPL 4 months ago
@LemurekPL LOL Polish mathematics. You are a country of idiots and criminals.
And the city was 97 percent Poles, right? LOL it was a German city. You stole it, and you commited a massmurder of Danzig children, women and elderly people in 1945, with your mongolian Rapist Red-Army friends. Learn history, Dupa.
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 LOL You are hypocrite. You are calling Poles as murderers, just after German killed 600000 of citizens of Poland, but you don't show me any events or mass graves as evidence? You can't! What you did with citizens of Gdynia and villiges around it? Germans killed them in Piaśnica. After all Germans became majority of town after similar event, massacre of citizens of Gdańsk by Teutonic Knights. So who is criminal?
LemurekPL 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 Hahaha! Wishful thinking. You will never come back to Gdansk. Learn from the past history - when Posen/Poznan was given back to Poland in 1919 the Germans could not agree and started another war 1939 and... lost Breslau/Wroclaw and Stettin/Szczecin 1945. What are you going to loose next time? Maybe Rostock Cottbus or even Leipzig and Dresden?
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar
hahaha "learning from history", from whose history, from Hollywood-propaganda written by BurgerKing in USA and Communist dictatorship Poland? lol
According to Polish history, Dresden, Berlin (and maybe Hamburg and Paris and London) are all "native slavic cities"! Polish argumentation: "We had one great Polish pig-sty and 3 great slavic latrines there 2000 years ago". Wow! What a an argumentation.
And Berlin is "great Polish city", too. Come on and take it lol
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@Elberiver11 Just try to take Gdansk and you will loose more. Are you retarded? Did I write Berlin or Dresden was Polish? It was a warning for Germans who would like to get i.e. Gdansk back. You WILL LOOSE MORE. I'll bet my money on a bobtail nag... and so one. You are funny.
SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar Danzig, Königsberg or Breslau were100 percent German city, but Dresden, Berlin or Leipzig was NEVER Polish city.
Difference.
You Poles lie by delibarete omission.
Prof. Dr. Robert Higgs, who also proved that your American friends are guilty of both starting war on Germany AND Japan, proves how Allies (your side of war) falsify history by picking out one truth, while HIDING another part.
Read about how the USA are guilty of PEARL HARBOUR - and not Japan.
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar Likewise, the Poles claim that Danzig or Breslau were "Polish", without a single Pole living there!
Danzig had 3 percent Polish guest workers and 97 percent Germans. A "Polish city"? These Germans descended from a slavic-german mixed population, but they clearly stated in 1919 that they did NOT want to join Polish.
Poles forced millions of Germans in 1919 to become "Polish", against their will. Do not complain about Hitler, when you behave like Hitler yourself.
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar haha if you Poles knew how all of Europe is laughing about you! lol
Last time you had the same stupid big mouth, and tried to take "great Polish city" of Dresden and Berlin, we conquered your backward country of thieves at the edge of Europe in only 4 weeks, hahaha! Your military leader Rydz-Smigley ran away from the fight! And you lost ! hahaha
Polish cowards haha have a big mouth and want to fight, and then they lose the war they started, they cry like babies lol
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SerskiGuslar 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar hahaha, you lost war after 4 weeks. Polish thieves ran away from the fight lol
You were unable to defend your own country lol Red Nazi Dictator Stalin won the war for you lol But '"Great Slavic brother" Russia fucked you and placed you under Communist terror rule.
I think Poles deserved being fucked by Stalin, Poles were main culprits of German-Polish conflict = main source for world war two.
Come on, take Berlin. "great Polish city" , Dupa
Lunatic lol
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@SerskiGuslar hahahaha Polish army of cowards wanted war, and LOST in only 4 weeks.
Pedophiles and cowards,. losers! Your communist Red-Nazi grandfather ran away from the fight hahahaha weaklings
Poland = First to fight.... and first to lose hahahaha
Elberiver11 1 week ago
@SerskiGuslar Polish criminals in 1930ies even claimed that Berlin is "great slavic city". LOOOOOOOOL Funny funny Poles! London and Paris is "great slavic city", right? Maybe you invaded England and France?
Did you Poles have a "Great Slavic toilet" in New York. too? Then New York city is great Polish land! hahahaha
Poland is a country of mad insane lunatics and aggressive warmongers. Go visit psychiatric hospital, Serski Dupa. You are psychotic person, przyjaciel hahaha
Elberiver11 1 week ago
Nie mogę oglądać takich zdjęć bo płacze i jednocześnie jestem strasznie w***wiony że nie tylko Gdańsk ale dziesiątki miast równie pięknych już nie istenija JAK MOGLIŚMY DO TEGO DOPUŚCIĆ ???
MateuszKC 2 years ago
zgadzam się z Tobą
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FREIE STADT !!
LGchwm 2 years ago
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SIEG DANZIG
dyziodamian 2 years ago
Very interesting film. I was particularly interested to see the opposite side from Długie Pobrzeże which appeared to be huge warehouses.
alanheath 2 years ago 4
Gdańsk always was Polish. From a lot of years. Gdańsk was very importet and the biggest harbor in Poland!!!
Tomerpl 2 years ago 7
Gdańsk has over 1000 years history...
Gdańsk was/is in Polish State or was slav duchy over 800 years. Gdańsk was always Golden Gate of Poland...
Kashubians are Poles. They are descendants of polish slav triable Pomeranians.
Svantobor 2 years ago 23
...tribe Pomeranians..
Svantobor 2 years ago
Moje Ty ukochane miasto ! !
justap19 2 years ago 6
Moje też miasto
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a ile twoja rodzina pokoleń mieszkała!!
MrJoker5140 2 years ago
yyyy duuuuuuużo xD
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@IustitiaPax
Cracow was in Hanseatic League. Hans Frank had reasons, to choose Cracow as the abode of own residence. Decide at last, whether lasting eight hundred years the membership to the crown is essential, whether not.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
@ElbeRiver
Dresden never was within Poland. Perfectly you know about this.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
@ElbeRiver
Never polish? Never? Lasting eight hundred years the national status is an only insignificant curiosity? Be serious.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
@ElbeRiver
Do not joke. Who came to Poland and settled in Poland, had to sit down the obedience to the Polish of king. We were glad very much from the presence of Germans. The architectural daintiness possess.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
połowy z pokazywanych budynków już nie ma a te co są to marne kopie oryginałów. Na nieszczęście zafajdany adamowicz (prez Gdańska) zamiast odtwarzać to co było piekne, zezwala na stawianie na Głównym i Starym Mieście nowoczesnej zabudowy ze szkła i aluminium (Szeroka, Długie Pobrzeże, Wartka, Sukiennicza,Karmelicka, Rajska,Targ Rybny,Lastadia,Grodzka). Jeszcze kilka takich inwestycji i Starówka będzie miała mało starówkowy charakter.... wszystko dzięki temu bydlakowi.
LasloGdansk 3 years ago 2
Dokłdnie jak się patrzy na te nowoczesne budynki to normalnie rzygać się chce. To są baraki w porównani do pięknych renesansowychy i neorenesansowych budynków. Marzy mi się własnie dokładne zrekonstruawanie Głównego i Starego Miasta. Szczególnie odbudowa budynku Nadprezydentury, Landeshausu i Danziger Hofu. Sądzę, że wtedy Gdańsk byłby najpiękniejszym miastem w Polsce.
Matisek99 3 years ago
nie licz na to. Był plan odbudowy Danziger Hoffu ale już się wyleczyli. Na Targu Siennym (a to już jako ciekawostkę podaję) planują nową inwestycję... padło magiczne słowo apartamentowce. I jak znam życie vis a vis ABW będzie stało gó..o ze szkła im. Adamowicza (wystarczy spojrzeć co stawiają na Szafarni. To biedne miasto jest dymane w du..ę tylko po to by adamowicz ze świtą mogli wyszarpać jak najwięcej kasy.
LasloGdansk 3 years ago 2
nic a nic sie nie zmienilo moze poza renowacjami budynki sa kolorowsze motława odnowiona
Viktoria26Gdansk 3 years ago
widac ze nic a nic nieznasz gdanska obejzyj filmik byl sobie gdansk jest tez ksiazka!
kali28faktor 3 years ago
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A nice of the city of Danzig. German forever to its immortal soul. The city of Danzig was finely restored by Poland with European Union German taxpayers' money of course. The original inhabitants (99 % Germans) still live in exile or died. The razen graves in Danzig however state clearly: "We remain German!"
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Gdansk was restored long before Poland joined EU. It was done for Polish taxpayers ONLY.
Maciekqbn 2 years ago 4
it was only in 1930s, when the crazy idiots from NSDAP and German nationalist movement started to associate nationality in Gdansk with belonging to a state. Therefore, they argumented, when there is a German majority, the city must belong to Germany. It was WRONG idea, which was proven very fast. Nazis started the unprecedented - UNKNOWN BEFORE - policy of "ethnic cleansing" and hostility towards minorities in Gdansk.
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bloke003 3 years ago
OldWaysFollower, you're view is correct. The promlem is that few people knows the facts, either in Germany or Poland. The history of Gdansk/Danzig is being distorted - with groundless hatred. In fact, regardless of their ethnic/religious backgrounds, the residents in Gdansk/Danzig had for centuries loved each other until the NSDAP's manoeuvring infiltrated there to agitate against Poland and Poles in the 1930s.
bloke003 3 years ago
Gdańsk IS Polish city, whether one likes it (as me) or not (as some people here). For most part of its history, Gdansk DID belong to Poland, for some - to Prussia, while for some years it was a "Free City" or "City-State".
Anyway, state membership did not depend on nationalities of Gdansk's inhabitants. There were many Poles, Germans, Jews, also Swedes, Danish, Dutch people, Scots, Irish, even English.
OldWaysFollower 3 years ago
It is where AK was killing Unrainians
paulmattt 3 years ago
if you like to read about every village were ukrainians killed Polish your live would be to short to do that!
FightingforTRUE 3 years ago
Sahryn is a village in Poland
paulmattt 3 years ago
Read about Sahryn.
paulmattt 3 years ago
read many books and I wrote some. And once again I have to repeat: Polish people, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Germans all fought for Gdansk, Lwow, Wilno. These cities cannot belong to one nation, they are cities belonging to one, united Europe. You asked about UPA. UPA fought for a free Ukraine the same way AK fought for a free Poland. Both guerilla forces committed inexcusable crime against other nations.
paulmattt 3 years ago
The only way to prevent future hostilities is to recognize everyone's ownership of these territories.
paulmattt 3 years ago
fuck of from Poland. Maybe you will declare you own home as everyone theritory??
FightingforTRUE 3 years ago
So Berlin should belong to Russia and Poland because we fought for Berlin in WWII
take your hands of from hour cities you ignorant.
ukrainians did not fight.
They murder innocent civilians in Wolyn.
Ak, was trying to stop it...
FightingforTRUE 3 years ago
You are right. But then Germans, Lithuanians and Ukrainians also died defending these cities. That is why I believe these cities can not belong to one nation, they belong to one Europe.
paulmattt 3 years ago
Gdansk/Danzig is an European city. Vilnius, Lwow, Wroclaw, Stettin just do not belong to one nation, they belong to all of us...
paulmattt 3 years ago
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Gdansk/Danzig always was and will be more german than polish, it is something like Hamburg
MTVPrezes 3 years ago
Look at Gdańsk now... Elbląg, Toruń, Warsaw etc. and compare to... Kaliningrad. There are much things to do still, but most of the real historic look of those cityies was preserved and restored, what i cannot say about Kaliningrad.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
The Russians in Königsberg do not receive the billions from German taxpayers' purses like the EU entry of Poland did. Danzig, Elbing, Thorn etc. are a bit restored. But like Allenstein etc. I have an elderly friend from our student fraternity born there in 1936, in Allenstein, he says actually not that much is restored. The German graveyards are still desecrated, destroyed. Not even one memorial. Only Ermland bishop Dr. Edmund Picsz did good work for reconciliation.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
HAHA, don`t even try to speak about €U like that, when Poland entered it? WHEN? Those 16bln € a year are a 'pocket money' for a country like Poland with $620,9 bln GDP, even our emigres in GB are investing more only in HOUSING market here. Thorn... another, i`ve looked up its coins, every got "Civitas Torunensis" and of course a Polish King... names like 'Thorn', 'Danzig' are just made up after partitions, a German spellings of those cityies names. I know very little about Olsztyn at now.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
Made up after Partitions? That is a vile lie, a Pan-Slavic propaganda story for bedtime created by yourself. Thorn, Danzig, Bromberg are names already in Dutch (Amsterdam and Nijmegen) archives with documents of 1240, from the Hanseatic League time. DO NOT TRY TO SELL LIES from POLISH IMPERIALISTS!!! And you suddenly do not remember the German history of Allenstein and other cities started by the Teutonic Order? Nothing bout Sw. Lipka/Heiligelinde in Ermland?
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Hahah, you`re lacking sources and pushing your miserable German spellings as a real names, while i can show you originall documets (coins are such as well) with the real names. I`m not even saying that it was really Gdańsk, or Gduńsk (Kashubian), but "Gedanum". "Bromberg"... it had no coins, it was not a royal city, it`s Latin name was "Bydgostia", of course referring to the native Polish name "Bydgoszcz".
Imperialism... you`re really funny. Yes, Allenstein is an original name.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago 2
Bromberg was an Hanseatic League city. It was forbidden for ethnic Poles and Jews to enter it. Danzig was German speaking too. You know Colbergensis Civitas and the Civitas Hirschbergensis? And of course Slavic rudimentary forms were taken over by the German Monastics and Bishops who prepared the East Settlement of Germans, Dutch, Flemings, Danes and French into the empty West Slavic territories formally part of "Poland" previously.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
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AZsaturn 3 years ago
@IustitiaPax
In this matter we will agree . Not only German and Polish tax-payers are robbed taxes. Remaining of 25 countries also. Every grant-in-aid is many times diminished for salaries, prizes and bonuses for clerks. Grant-in-aids would not be necessary with low taxes.
AZsaturn 3 years ago 2
Zoppot/Sopot was mostly German and a bit Kashubian, Danzig was totally German.
Poland did not have any rights in 1919 and 1945 to occupy the Polish Corridor in Pomerelia ("Gdansk Pomerania") or Kashubia.
Poland had the rights until 1793, not afterwards anymore. The Kingdom had the rights, not the modern Polish Republic (2nd and 3rd).
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
First of all the name "Dazig" appears after Prussia stole it, before that it was "Gedanum" eventually "Datsike".
Kashubians are Poles, the same as Masurians, Masovians, Kuyavians etc. are and Germans NEVER were majority in Pommerelia, only in Gdańsk and few other cityies, while the rest was predominatelly Polish.
And what a was 1793? What was legal in that? This is only your pangermanic POV... The Kingdom was also Republic (1st republic), see my background "Res Publica sine status Regni"
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
I invite you to read the names of the City councilmen in 1219 in the "Stadtebuch der Stad Danzig" (1755). I am not Pan-Germanic. And the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was not a Republic in the modern sense. Res publica means public matter, state.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
So what does 'Repubic' means if not that? No, not in the present, but in the 'Plato' sense. I know much more Germans in Poland or polonised Germans, who contributed in developement of this state and especially my city... i know also what Germans did to thier heritage. For example near to Warsaw old town is Mariensztat(Marien-Stadt), whole "antique" neighborhood. Still those councils doesn`t make majority of the citisens, you just cannot proove this claim, so don`t use such general statemants.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
All Councilmen of Danzig in 1220 for instance were German-named. Bernhard, Gerhard, Thietmar, Bodo, Richardus, Georgius, Johannes Hartmannus, all German names. They were representative of Danzig's citizens, elected.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
So? Elected by whom? By citisens? That was not egalitar democracy, even the Polish-Lithuanian Republic wasn`t egalitar democracy (until constitution and decalration of Połaniec, but soon destroyed by absolutist neighbors). I tell you, i don`t care, German, Dutch, Polish, Czech, whatever... Polish citisen is a Polish citisen and "Prussian confederation" called itselve like that.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
@IustitiaPax
Poland had rights to Gdańsk to the year 1793? Why? Many times you spoke that Gdańsk had been of German always. And not from XVIII century. Decide . Why to 1793? We sold? We presented? Little cherry-tree on the layer cake? The pearl north?
AZsaturn 3 years ago
Yes, they were not innocent. It was an anti-German genocide in fact. I do not blame modern Poles, Lemkos, Ukrainians etc. now living in Breslau, Danzig, Stettin of course. But I want Poland to stop the false historical falsification that these cities were "ancient Polish". They were not. They independent and founded as Cities by Germans. Only by Germans. Sometimes inside Polish Kingdom (Danzig), sometimes inside Silesian Piast Bohemian independence.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
LusitiaPax... that`s no lie what was written in the "Life of Saint Adalbert of Prague". Issueing a Magdeburg or Lubeck city rights doesn`t make a city, makes only its law. And since there are no pre-XXc etchnic censuses, hold your imagination in this case.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
@IustitiaPax
You ask about de trop. Cconstruction of the city aground of the ill at ease country, does not give the right to the announcement of the secession.
AZsaturn 3 years ago
No problem what the first name was. By 1900 96 % of the inhabitants of Danzig were Germans, and in 1700 90 % were, with 10 % Jews. That is the reality. The Germans came peacefully, but they were deported like cattle in 1945 and murdered like pigs by Poles, Soviets nad Czechs. Those were war crimes too. In times of "peace" (after 8 May, 1945!). Until 1949.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
"and in 1700 90 % were, with 10 % Jews"
Again... you wasn`t able with me, so you choosed other to make fools from them... In 1700 noone was makeing etchnic censuses, noone was interested in it, so you can only GUESS how looked like etchnicy of Gedanum. Germans came peacefully, German merchants and colonists, but not the Hohenzollerns and noone made them to declare a subjects of the Poland in the thirteen years war.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
It is not about the Hohenzollern dynasty, but about Danzig's citizens who were Germans. Just look to 1200 Council Men lists. Is Thietmar de Gorlize and Bernhardus Steinmacherus a typical Polish or Slavic name?
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Yeah, you`ll now referre to the German sources saying about what`s an 'originall' name? Be serious... Thietmar is medieval and at his time there were few Germans on east of Elbe, not to mention some Pommeriania or Silesia.
So if it`s about the Gedanum citisens, what`s the difference it it`s a "Res Publica sine status Regni" holdeing it, or a German "Empire"? For it`s citisens it was a difference as they faced 7 times higher taxes and complete marginalization. WHO CARES WHO THEY WERE?
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
Most Kashubians who had served in the German Army in World War One and World War Two were expelled by the Poles of Bierut in 1946. Of course many remained. But many were deported to the west like the Germans.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
Bullshit, no Kashubians were expelled, those who could proove thier partly German ancestry fled from communism many years after war, when west Germany invited them. Sadly there was no "western Poland" to which we could flee...
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
Then why were also the maternal line Kashubian ancestors of leftist German writer Günter Grass expelled? Well, Mr Grass in retrospect should have been left behind with the Communists which he later on supported constantly. I would have gladly accepted Polish refugees from Communist tyranny. I am not anti-Polish. Neither was West Germany ever. But History cannot be falsified. Not by SS Himmler, not by Poles, not by Soviets, not by Czechs.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
You know what Gunter Grass confessed recently? West Germany? East-West... what`s a difference, Germans always claimed our inferiority... so why they were migrateing through centuries to Silesia, Pommeriania, Pommerelia etc? Noone was denyeing that. Why you put only the Poles and Czechs as a nations to your last sentence and not Germans and Russians? Nazis and Soviets were some 'virtual' people or wahat? and we choosed our fate during and after WWII?? THIS is falsification.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago
I do not blame all Poles, but I do blame the Polish state of 1945 and Polish MILICIANS for the Genocide and Expulsion of Germans. And I do blame all Poles who deny the German heritage and the anti-German genocide. But not the Polish nation. Not all Czechs. Of course not. I have got Polish and Czech friends. Catholics who admit the crimes of the past. Who do not try to sell cheap Pan-Slavic or Communist anti-German propaganda stories about Breslau, Danzig or Brünn.
IustitiaPax 3 years ago
But you say "don`t twist the history according to Poles, Czech, some nazis, some soviets"... you really don`t see the difference? After 1945 there was no free Polish state and the real Polish goverment worked in London till 1991. Noone denyies the German (and others) heritage, you thinks that why those cityies are rebuilded to thier ORIGINALL status? Sorry, 'Breslau' is another German spelling, originall name was 'Wratislavia', city founded by the Great Moravian Duke, Wratislav.
mikolajoskierko 3 years ago