There are many examples which show that the Rhomaoi (Byzantine Greeks) also called themselves 'Graikoi' or 'Hellenes' and considered themselves the descendants of the classical Greeks. Their language (Greek) was called 'rhomaika' (roman). Only the Greeks called themselves Romans (Rhomioi). Also, the Byzantines where called Greeks by the Arabs (Yunan) and Latins (Greaci). I wouldn't call the modern Greeks Romans though. It's like calling the modern Greek language Roman. Wouldn't be right.
Now I'm hooked on history. I cannot learn it fast enough. I'd read of the Byzantines waaayy back in High School..but it was only a footnote. It is pathetic that such history is left in the dust. We could be so much more if we'd truly learn and appreciate about our past. Learn about the struggles, courage and intellect that got us to our current era. Education today? They teahc about Madonna and self esteem... We have regressed 1000 years in ignorance.
Pls, excuse my Eng. I'm the first Bg to post in this distinguished forum. And I'm anxious to say to my Greek brother that my heart is bleeding even stronger for the fall of the Empire. But do not discharge us. Come to Sf, and you will meet me at the "Света София" church /wherefrom the city has taken its name/ and you will understand why my slav brother from /I'm almoust sure/ Serbia wrote an year ago in this very forum - we are from the Bolkans, we must keep together
PETRO?? Do you mean PETROVIĆ (Пetpoвић) - that traditionall Serbian surname? Well, It looks like you’ve “forgotten” the surname suffix –ić? (-_o) hehehe
You see, boy… you can brainwash your “audience”, your little “gay community members”, here on youTube with your false videos about the false history of your false nation, but YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT GUY’S SURNAME AND ORIGIN - don’t you boy??! You worship a SERB… how do you feel about that, boy? NA KOLENA PRED SRBE croAPE!!!
I do not understand the seperation between Roman and Byzantine Empire!When Russia transfered it 's capitol to Moscow,stoped to be Russia?Roman emperor Constantine transfered the capitol to the east of Roman Empire.Western barbarians-Franks,Goths,Germans-create this ''byzantine'' name,to degrate Constantinople to the level of the small ancient city of Byzantion.Since all Popes after 800 AD are Franks the road for their own ''Roman'' empire was open...Pope Leo crowned Charlatan...
@eraser695 Your mentality is 100% based on despotism/authoritarianism. You see even the Church in the light of secular/political/diplomatic matters. The Church is not NATO or EU, to have a member-state as leader/predominant. The Church always consisted of a lot of autonomous local dioceses, with each one having a bishop, the priests & the laity around him.
The Patriarch of Moscow celebrated the liturgy along with the Patriarch of Constantinople some months ago. How can he consider him heretic?
@eraser695 Being a sinner & being heretic are 2 totally different things.
Every man is a sinner and the more you believe such thing for yourself the better for you, because you become more humble. Moralism is a heresy, because it exaggerates the outward appearance & views God's grace mechanistically.
Heretic means "believing in something false", not being sinner. Heretics and Orthodox cannot celebrate Mass together.
The oecumenical patriarch invited pope, but didn't celebrate mass with him.
A secular society is a dead society. Look around. Is crass materialism making us happier, fulfilled, or even more sane? These freedoms we profess, borne out of a liberalism that places the individual as autonomous & sovereign, has merely replace God with junk at the center of our lives. Everybody is their own god & shows no respect for others. Belligerence & rudeness everywhere. The most basic social group, the family, flies apart.
Wow... you make it sound like people who doesn't believe your god are empty puppets lacking purpose.
Honestly... that really isn't the case. It's not the lack of a god that makes people unhappy and rude. I've seen many religious people being more rude than any atheist. And there are just as many atheists who are happy with their lives as there are religious people who are.
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Anyhow, to comment on the actual video; the byzantines were freaking manly. =D
What about the thousands killed under the revolutionary Robespierre? Or the cynical enlightened Napoleon? Or the millions under the race crazed Hitler? Or under the secular Lenin? Or ideological Stalin?
The human animal is one nasty piece of work. We are moral beings without proportion. At least Christianity appeals to our higher angels. No Tzar was ever as brutal as the communist dictators who followed. No Kaiser as craven as the Nazis. Both symptomatic of the nihilism of our age.
Hieronimus Wolfe, a German historian in the 15th century, gave the Eastern Roman Empire the name Byzantine, in his attempt to record the Medieval history of the Greeks without having to refer to ancient or the later Roman times. In Byzantium the language of the people was always Greek, and from the 6th cent. AD it replaced Latin as the official too.
The map is incorrect it was all Italy(including Rome) that was reconquered not all Hispania that remain in hands of Suevi and Visigoths. Spania Province was as far as the Empire went it was still a big part of ancient Hispania.
anybody who wants to see a bad comment, just look at the one 'machetee100 posted (in uploader comments). Byzantium was a great civilisation with great culture.
The Byzantine Empire had some nice artwork. But why did the Western European Christians attacked Constantinople in 1204 and they were christians also and the Byzantine were the protectors of christianity?
@98bigbutt first of all iam catholic and secons because they were greedies =D, come on we are seeing from a modern point of view now we must unite and attack those scum bags fkng muslims
@DoubleJSto,Don't judge the Muslims like that because the Koran also mentions Jesus Christ,Abraham and Moses. But to the Muslims,Jesus Christ is mentioned as a prophet.
@98bigbutt By 1204, Western Europeans and the Byzantines were very distinct with each other in culture, economy, religion and politics. To the Byzantines, Western Europeans were barbarians and the Byzantines were seen as weaklings by Western Europeans. Western Europeans were Roman Catholic Christians and the Byzantines were Eastern Orthodox Christians. To Western Europeans, Roman Catholicism was the only true Christian faith and other forms were heretical.
@MrLantean The Western Europeans were indeed very hostile towards the Romans (Contra Errores Graecorum etc).
I disagree with the names of the 2 churches though. Of course, these terms are in general use and it's strange for someone to disagree, but scientists agree that the "true" Romans were the so-called Byzantines. Therefore, the Orthodox Church IS the Roman Church (Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi is called by the Turks even today) while Papists were the ones who broke away for political reasons.
@Lhein33 After the fall of Rome in 476, Western Europe lacked a stable political entity like the one at Constantinople. That void was filled by the Roman Catholic Church. The Pope also began to use the titles that were usually only reserved to the Roman Emperors. In Constantinople, Roman instituitions were maintained and elements of the old Roman Empire were preserved. Both the emperor and the patriarch had equal authorities on religious issues.
@MrLantean It's usual for the Church to fill the political gap.The same thing was done after 1453: the Patriach of Constantinople (and all the bishops to some extent) had political powers. The sultan himself considered the Patriach as the political leader of the Rum (enslaved Romans).
The problem with the West is that the Franks tried to "impersonate" the true Romans and, when they took over the Patriarchate of Rome, they created some heresies to alienate it from the whole Church.
@Lhein33 The influence of the Roman Empire was so great that Germanic peoples who conquered Western Europe tried to imitate many aspects of Roman ideology. In 800AD, Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope as Emperor of the Romans. Pope Leo III saw the throne at Constantinople as vacant although it was occupied by the ruling Empress Irene. This action had infuriated the Byzantines and caused another schism and rift between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.
@MrLantean The word Roman was synonymous to the ecumenical state. Romans had the "right" to rule all the known world. So, if Charlemagne wanted to "legalize" his rule, he had to be named (Roman) Emperor. The title "Emperor" itself was only for the Roman Emperor; that's why Nikephoros Phokas was so offended when Liutprand said he brought him a message from the "Emperor" Otto II.
It was for the same reason that the Franks gave to Γραικός a scornful meaning and stopped calling Byzantines Romans.
@Lhein33 From Charlemagne's empire, a Holy Roman Empire was created and its rulers were named emperors. Of course, the Roman emperors at Constantinople were offended by Frankish kings trying to gain equal status with them. However, Emperor Alexei sent envoys to Rome, requesting military assistance to regain Anatolia from the Turks who defeated the Byzantines at the battle of Manzikert in 1071. This of course triggered the First Crusade.
@MrLantean The one doesn't exclude the other. The Byzantine Empire had a very flexible diplomacy and thanks to this it managed to survive for 1,100 years. One of the basic principles of their diplomacy was "noone is so mortal enemy so that we cannot use him against another adversary". Alexios wanted the Pope to give him some mercenary troops to fight against the Seljuqs who had defeated Rhomania in Mantzikert; it was the Pope who made the plan for a whole Crusade for his own ends.
@Lhein33 Mastery the art of diplomacy is one of the reasons why the Byzantine Empire lasted for more than 1000 years. They treated every enemies as potential alliesand vice versa. They sent spies to every known civilizations to learn their language, culture, religion and politics. They made an effort to know their enemies better than enemies themselves. As a result, the empire had gathered a very good deal of intelligence. It is something that the West failed to understand.
Well done. Shows the level to which Constantinople embodied Roman law and might, Greek learning, and Christian morality & charity.
Fell on this date, May 29th, 1453.
Christendom - esp. Latin Christianity - continues to fragment. Western culture has turned to secularism, nihilism and narcissism as a ersatz remedy for its loss of faith. To build families & rear children on such a parody cannot last but a generation.
Forget revivals or reformations. Pray for another Constantine.
@98bigbutt You say "the reality is that all religions are bullshit & people need to move on from that." With all due respect, move on to what?
G.K. Chesterton observed: "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything."
Apart from the absolute & universal the individual becomes his own god. Morality becomes subjective & arbitrary. The good is defined by self-advancement, order by self-aggrandizement. When God dies so dies humanity.
Fantastic video! Congratulations from Greece! Time for all us Europeans to find again and honour our greek-roman legacy, which is our common european legacy!
The Byzantines were Greeks, they called themselves Romans back then but they're the same people that we see in modern Greece. Any Arab or Italian who says otherwise can fuck off.
@Christos2255 I AM ITALIAN AND I AM TELLING YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR HISTORY. WHY WOULD GREEKS CALL THEMSELVES ROMANS AND NOT ROMANS CALL THEMSELVES ROMANS "BACK THEN" ?
STOP MAKING DOOGY POOP UP, BEFORE YOU POST GATHER YOUR FACTS. I WILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO DO YOUR RESEARCH.
@ARomanVenus How am I making up dog poop?. The Byzantine emperor is universally accepted as being Greek. They spoke Greek and they were Greek Orthodox, how can you even deny it?. The last emperor was called Konstantinos XI Dragases Palaiologos. How is that Italian?. The only reason it's called a roman emperor is because they knew themselves as romans, up untill 100 years ago the Greeks called themselves Romaoi.
@Christos2255 Dragatsis was digenis his mother was Serbian and the name means Dragon.The name Greeks Slavs Bulgars Syrians Aigyptians Palestinians etc was inpliment from the great powers because they afraid the Romioi as expresion, remindes lost memorys and was afraid a new Byzantine empire who was in the same position as Othoman empire and affect again the opium and spice trade(East indian companys)
@Christos2255 Italian and Roman isnt the same thing. Is like calling a German from Cologne or Englishman from London Romans just because the Roman Empire was there. Hold on they arent the same thing in Lombardy they probaly have more Lombard blood than Roman in Sicily they have Norman blood! So look what with that nation-states concepts in conenction with comic book history Italians have big part of influence from Roman but so have Spaniards French etc
And for big part of Roman History in east greek was lingua franca and main language that Romans used when Christ was crucified Pilatos and its Roman garrison spoke Greek not Latin as day to day basis altough they probaly knew Latin (PIlatos surely did since was from Western Half of the Empire) there was in way "two roman empires" since Alexander the Great Hellenic Civilization remain strong in East even with the Roman Empire but that doesnt mean they werent Romans regarless
@ImperialGuard9001 The real Romans are Italians though. We used to call ourselves Romans but we're not because we're obviously Greek. Spaniards and French aren't romans, they were just subjects to them. You like MGS good for you.
@Christos2255 This is why maybe Greeks should be called Romans instead! They are indeed the last of the Romans! Since the Roman Empire estabalished there they were Romans! The Roman Civlization is build on Greek bases so no wonder the two cultures mixed. All great emperors or roman leaders spoke greek fluently. Hadrian is one good example of a man fascinated by Greek culture. There were many more when West colapse the East remain Roman and strong as ever.
@ARomanVenus The Greek as word in Byzantine days become synonymous with Paganist for some strange reason All about philosofy tecnology etc remains intact.But the Romioi is not mean entire Roman is very diferent thing it is like an ideology like today America.
@Christos2255 They where greek but remember that Byzantine empire was roman for over 1000 years so it was a roman/greek. And as far as i know people from whole meditaranian even today are very simular.
@titoli1 I know what you mean, if course it was roman as well but some people say it isn't even slightly greek which is stupid because whoever they were modern greeks are descendants of them. You're right Greeks/Romans were basically the same back in the day and that's why even now Greeks are always associated with Italians despite differences in language and the issue over us not believing in the pope.
@Christos2255 haha typical greek!!! hahaha rhodes island and the dodecanese is an italian colony..haha !! you greeks always talk about 3000 years ago...how old..haha.. i think greece was better under ottoman.haha
@Christos2255 The Greek of today descended from them is true they were mainly greek speakers but they were Roman alrigth in East Greek never was replaced by Latin as in Western Roman empire since it already had cultural dominance there with its great philosophy and science that Romans themselfs were influenced by the Roman Elite such as Ceasar were biligual and spoke both Latin and Greek many of his great phrases were in Greek not in latin.But they were Romans withoud doubt.
The Byzantine empire was culturally converted to greek.
Yet the term ''byzantine'' apeared after the Fall of COnstantinopole.
The inhabitants themselves called themselves as romani and wrote on their maps Romania. This is the real name used by byzantines, Romania. I read this in an a academical document, you can see on wiki also.
@ZamolxisGebeleizis After 1000AD the empire begun to transform from a Greco Roman empire to a fully Greek empire.The emperors of Nicaea took the tittle emperors of the Greeks,Constantine paleologos said Constantinople is the hope and the joy of every Greek.Pletho Gemistus also said we are descendants of Greeks while Emperor Ioannes Vatatzes said I am comming from Greek desent and i am proud of my origins. etc etc.Because all of these Byzantium/Eastern Roman empire is considered a Greek empire.
@Zorro11144 No. They did not call themselves Greeks, and Emperors did not call themselves "Emperors of Greeks". Hellene was a word for ancient Greek Pagans. All citizens of the Empire were Romans by Roman law.
@vonVince The emperors of Nikaea took the title Emperors of the Greeks. Secondly there was the Byzantine theme of Hellas. The official language was Greek. All foreigners called the empire as Imperium Graecorum.
@vonVince The scholar, teacher, and translator, John Argyropoulos, addressed John VIII Palaiologos as "Sun King of Hellas" and urged the last Emperor, Constantine XI, to proclaim himself "King of the Hellenes". During the same period, the neo-platonic philosopher George Gemistos Plethon boasted "We are Hellenes by race and culture," and proposed a re-born Byzantine Empire following a utopian Hellenic system of government centered in Mystras.
@vonVince According to the historian George Sphrantzes, on the eve of the Fall of Constantinople, the Last Emperor urged his soldiers to remember that they were the descendants of Greeks.In a letter to Pope Gregory IX, the Byzantine emperor John Vatatzes claimed to have received the gift of royalty from Constantine the Great, and put emphasis on his "Hellenic" descent, exalting the wisdom of the Greek people.
@vonVince He was presenting Hellenic culture as an integral part of the Byzantine polity in defiance of Latin claims. Byzantine Greeks had always felt superior for being the inheritors of a more ancient civilisation, but such ethnic identifications had not been politically popular up until then.
The division caused its collapse. Orthodox unity will bring it back: Armenian, Serbian, Russian, Assyrian, Greek, Bulgaria, and others. We are still suffering from turanism, the time for unity is NOW.
The Roman and the Byzantine Empire was for more than thousand years the bulwark against niggers, and sandniggers. Without them, the Romans and the Greeks, Europe today wouldn't be the center of civilization and economy, but Arabia, northern Africa and Turkey. No matter what kind of European you are, Celt, Slav, or German, you must always hold the Romans and Greeks in high respect, because they are the very creators of Europe.
@powersmalik 90%percent of black people in the US use that word everyday and I find it rather childish that non blacks cant use it,grow up you Crybaby .The English Dictionary belongs to all English speaking peoples,if you dont like it, learn Swahili you pathetic sooty basterd
Byzantine was wery advanced compered to western europe at that time but come on, primitive midle ages?
And it was not only byzantine who saved europe from arab invations, the arabs were aslo stopped by the germanic franks in the west when they advanced north trhough spain. And they were eventualy driven out from spain.
@Nortrix87 Well the Byzantines fought with the Goths. They repelled them in the Balkans and then Belisarius counterattacked them in Africa and in Italy. But you know the Byzantines later cooperated with the Rus vikings and one of the best guards were the Varangians. And there is a story of some Goths in Asia minor who were called as Gotthograekoi and they fought for the emperor too.
The byzantine never fought the germans, there was no germans before 19th century.
The germanic people however. The east roman ampire suffered great defets to the germanic but the germanic consentrated on the western roman empire. And the eastern empire had greater defencive fortofications around the capital.
However later the byzantine empire and germanic became allied as the Vikings who served as the Emperors elite forces:
@megalolamogio I cut them than I convert into right format, than put on professional program for video making and than make the video to upload here :)
You cant realy say that the byzantine empire was pure greek. The Official languages was greek and latin spoken by the aristocracy but more than 40% of the population spoke and many other languages. The population was made by many nationalities who was united by Christianity.So you cant argue about the true descendants of the the byzantine empire. The descendants are NOT only greek.
ps. the word "greek" is from a turkish word and u can translate it "infidel"
@Kostantinho none of them,no one is worth a name of the great Rome
I have nothing against the Greeks, I was last year with a motorcycle in Greece and I will again, 8) it is just my opinion(About Byzantium and Roman empire), I just love history ... 8)
@FaberOSK I respect ur opinion. Not because u was last year with a motorcycle in Greece (lol) but 'cause i was thinking. How can u naming ur empire Roman when u change your religion from polytheism to Christianity when you change your capital from Rome to Byzantium (Costantinoupoli)... and when the most things have changed in your empire you r still using the same name for something nearly different!
@Kostantinho thanks mate! 8) then it was Roman empire, during this period christianity, but I'm talking about the fall of the Roman Empire,after that Byzantium was not worth the name of Rome,it was Byzantium,remains of the Eastern Roman Empire.Constantin was a roman emperor,and first Christian emperor.and yes he moved capital to east.8)
the byzantine empire became small after 600 a.d. they were not the most powerful force for a 1000 years. greater empires in west africa,east asia,the arabs, and some east africns were the most powerful force .sorry euro-centrics but europe was not the most powerful force in the middle ages. it was the africans and asia.read a history book
@CELL111able it was more powerfull for 1000 years by economy, development, art, architecture, research and civilization standards, there was no empire or kingdom of that time who would match byzantine empire by this standards. Millitary was another issue.
@CroPETROforever no it was not. reaseach. the great empires of christian nubia,axum,islamic golden age,the moors,china ,other great african civilizations like the mande,ghan,mali empire etc.
@CELL111able Hahaha, my color skin friend, your arab countries were primitive copy civilization, you hadn't inventions, you simple copy the indian and chinese inventions. Barbarian shepherd nomad was the majority of Arabs
@CELL111able right, which is why half these empires, such as the Umayyads, Abassids, Ottomans, cracked and crumbled at a moments notice whereas European empires (such as the Byzantines here) have stood the lengthy tests of time. Don't make me laugh. Guess who still calls the shots in the world today? Oh, that's right.. the West. Sure, empires that stretched the middle east and africa might have been powerful militarily, but they all fell relatively quickly which tells you something about em.
CroPetro- do some more historic videos about heroic Romans and Byzantines and Slavic Christians. Keep ''em coming. Slavic nations - hope of future Christian Europe - to the rescue of Romano-Germanics from arab invasion. BOZHE, SPASAI SLAVYANE!!
Το Βυζαντιο βασικα αποτελει τον συνδετικο κρικο του αρχαιου κοσμου με τα μετεπειτα χρονια. Δεν ειπα οτι ηταν αμιγως Ελληνικο αλλα θεωρειται Ελληνικη αυτοκρατορια επειδη το Ελληνικο στοιχειο ηταν κυριαρχο. Και πρεπει να καταλαβουμε οτι εμεις οι Ελληνες ειμαστε οι κληρονομοι του Βυζαντιου!
@EnlightenedShqiptar Byzantium was a Greek empire because the oficial language was the Greek and it's culture was Greco Roman. Great personalities like Anthemius and Isidorus and Cyril with Methodius were Greeks as well. And many emperors as well. The emperors of Nikea take the title emperors of the Greeks. The Byzantine aristocracy was Greek. So mostly for these reasons the Byzantine empire is considered Greek.
@EnlightenedShqiptar It had a Greco Roman culture because thr Byzantines called themselves Romioi and we Greeks even today we still use that word and means Greek orthodox. And it is consider a Greek empire as I explained previously.
The word Byzantine created in 17th cent. by historians, in middle ages the "byzantines" called each other Romaioi or Romans. But the people of this empire was a mix of many nations, but mainly Greeks.
They were keepers/quards of Roman glory and Greek knowledge.
Iconaclasm started at 800 was resolved at 900. So what? In Europe the Catholics burnt Witches since 16th century. This tell us how backward was Europe at that time.
@EnlightenedShqiptar When I've said west middle age europe I was not refering to italians cities, or cities in italian peninsula, I was refering on today france, germany, england, spain etc...
Byzantium was a Greek empire all the way but some people just cant accept it. The Byzantine empire was so great that lasted more than 1000 years it defended Europe and when it fell passed its legacy to Europe by triggering the Renaissance age.
@EnlightenedShqiptar The first advance in Italy begans when Venice makes trade with the Byzantine empire. Also at Ferara many ideas were exchanged and this was the spark of the enlightment. And the Renaissance age is triggered by the Byzantines as well if you see the books of the 15th century in italy they are just translated books from Greek to latin and most of these books are about the ancient Greece. And of course Byzantium had advanced technology take for example the Greek fire.
@EnlightenedShqiptar The Byzantine music wasnt monolithic in fact the Arabs borrowed some elements of the Byzantine music. The Byzantine empire was far ahead of it's time Constantinople was the only capital at that time with 1.000.000 citizens. And please dont twist the facts. The Byzantines created the cyrilic while the Byzantine art expanded in eastern Europe and in Italy. And dont forget the Byzantine philosophers such as Plethon Gemistus and many others.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Can you tell me about the western prospective? When does it starts? After they sacked constantinople I am sure. After 1204 because they were thieves. And Byzantine music wasnt monophonic in any case. And it had 1000000 citizens in its prime time untill 1050 at least. Byzantium had philosophers when Europe had only bards and Alchemistes who were believed to be wizards back then.
@EnlightenedShqiptar The west evolves after 1204 and 1453. Before that in Europe were only bards and Alchemists. Aghia sophia the Greek fire and many more achievements prove how far ahead were the Byzantines from Europe. And the Byzantines were defeated because it was attacked from the west and the east as well.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Well if you dont accept that the Byzantines triggered Renaissance age then you agree with the historians who say that the Arabs triggered the Renaissance age. I tell it to you just toknow what are you doing right now.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Carolingan renaissance what about it? Did it achieved anything? Can we compare it with Rennaissance age? No we cant. Carolingian art can we compare it with Byzantine art? No we cant. Only some laws were made just not to behave as animals. Yes Boethius the last remnants of Rome.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Do you know that the Franks were feudalists backward lords who had the population enslaved in the land. While the Byzantines had a commercial economy. And that the silk in Byzantium was the first industry in Europe. Just look how primitive is the Carolingian art and you will understand.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Byzantium didnt have feudals only after 1204. The emperor didnt allow feudals in the empire. These guilds in venice evolve when they make commerce with Byzantium. And yes the Byzantines made slave trade in a degree but there werent Feudals and peasants living in awful conditions.
@EnlightenedShqiptar I am telling once more it wasnt feudal but a commercial economy. The European navy was very primitive compared the Byzantine Galleys. The Venecian navy was the same with the Byzantine because they had close relations.
@EnlightenedShqiptar Yes in which naval battle they defeated the Byzantines? In the siege of Constantinople 200 Ottoman ships lost only from the 7 ships.
@EnlightenedShqiptar And The Byzantines defeated the Saracens many times at sea holding them back for centuries. The Saracens were repelled by the Byzantines in south Italy in Dalmatia in the Aegean and in the east.
There are many examples which show that the Rhomaoi (Byzantine Greeks) also called themselves 'Graikoi' or 'Hellenes' and considered themselves the descendants of the classical Greeks. Their language (Greek) was called 'rhomaika' (roman). Only the Greeks called themselves Romans (Rhomioi). Also, the Byzantines where called Greeks by the Arabs (Yunan) and Latins (Greaci). I wouldn't call the modern Greeks Romans though. It's like calling the modern Greek language Roman. Wouldn't be right.
Dianatomia 4 days ago
yea exactly you must proud to be lived under TURKS for more than 500 years gayreeks
cCcTuraniacCc 1 week ago
Now I'm hooked on history. I cannot learn it fast enough. I'd read of the Byzantines waaayy back in High School..but it was only a footnote. It is pathetic that such history is left in the dust. We could be so much more if we'd truly learn and appreciate about our past. Learn about the struggles, courage and intellect that got us to our current era. Education today? They teahc about Madonna and self esteem... We have regressed 1000 years in ignorance.
MrGchiasson 2 weeks ago
Hey CroPETROforever you had another video about Byzantine Empire,did you deleted it or YT did ? Can you tell me the song names if you remember them ?
SunPwnzZ 1 month ago
@SunPwnzZ I had to delete it because of copyrights on audio, I really don't remember exact songs from that video, I'm sorry.
CroPETROforever 1 month ago
Wonderful video! +BB+BB+
Hellasfe1 1 month ago
Pls, excuse my Eng. I'm the first Bg to post in this distinguished forum. And I'm anxious to say to my Greek brother that my heart is bleeding even stronger for the fall of the Empire. But do not discharge us. Come to Sf, and you will meet me at the "Света София" church /wherefrom the city has taken its name/ and you will understand why my slav brother from /I'm almoust sure/ Serbia wrote an year ago in this very forum - we are from the Bolkans, we must keep together
stokn1 2 months ago
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PETRO?? Do you mean PETROVIĆ (Пetpoвић) - that traditionall Serbian surname? Well, It looks like you’ve “forgotten” the surname suffix –ić? (-_o) hehehe
You see, boy… you can brainwash your “audience”, your little “gay community members”, here on youTube with your false videos about the false history of your false nation, but YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT GUY’S SURNAME AND ORIGIN - don’t you boy??! You worship a SERB… how do you feel about that, boy? NA KOLENA PRED SRBE croAPE!!!
thedgudge 2 months ago
I do not understand the seperation between Roman and Byzantine Empire!When Russia transfered it 's capitol to Moscow,stoped to be Russia?Roman emperor Constantine transfered the capitol to the east of Roman Empire.Western barbarians-Franks,Goths,Germans-create this ''byzantine'' name,to degrate Constantinople to the level of the small ancient city of Byzantion.Since all Popes after 800 AD are Franks the road for their own ''Roman'' empire was open...Pope Leo crowned Charlatan...
dkio50 2 months ago
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Alexander29854 3 months ago
Anything Proud before God is Always Crushed...
The Russia... New Byzantine Empire will repeat the History.
eraser695 3 months ago
@eraser695 Russia is not the new Byzantine Empire (by the way, the right name is Roman empire or Rhomania & not Byzantine).
Well, Byzantium was based on:
1.Christianity in its authnetic form (Orthodoxy).
2.Roman multinational but monocultural political ideology-pax romana.
3.Roman law.
4.Greek/hellenized/hellenistic culture (philosophy, poetry, history etc).
5.Greek language.
6.Internationally powerful gold coinage (solidus,hyperpyron).
Russia lacks all of these except for the 1st, I think.
Lhein33 3 months ago
@Lhein33 I prefer you to Fight among the Patriarchates of Constantinole, Moscow, Serbia and Greece. Then decide who is the Champion.
The Russian Orthodox have declared the Patriarch of Constantinople a Heretic.
eraser695 3 months ago
@eraser695 Your mentality is 100% based on despotism/authoritarianism. You see even the Church in the light of secular/political/diplomatic matters. The Church is not NATO or EU, to have a member-state as leader/predominant. The Church always consisted of a lot of autonomous local dioceses, with each one having a bishop, the priests & the laity around him.
The Patriarch of Moscow celebrated the liturgy along with the Patriarch of Constantinople some months ago. How can he consider him heretic?
Lhein33 3 months ago
@Lhein33 Then if the Patriarch of Constantinople visited Rome and Invited the Pope to Istanbul.
Why the Patriarch of Moscow hesitate to do so? Celebrating Mass together is a Different thing. If the Sinners ans Saints both are Invited to the Mass.
Whatever you are I hate all the Russian, Serbian, Greek Patriarchs Except the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.
eraser695 3 months ago
@eraser695 Being a sinner & being heretic are 2 totally different things.
Every man is a sinner and the more you believe such thing for yourself the better for you, because you become more humble. Moralism is a heresy, because it exaggerates the outward appearance & views God's grace mechanistically.
Heretic means "believing in something false", not being sinner. Heretics and Orthodox cannot celebrate Mass together.
The oecumenical patriarch invited pope, but didn't celebrate mass with him.
Lhein33 3 months ago
@machetee100 The Byzantine Empire was Rome. Rome lasted until 1453...
vasilisv 4 months ago
A secular society is a dead society. Look around. Is crass materialism making us happier, fulfilled, or even more sane? These freedoms we profess, borne out of a liberalism that places the individual as autonomous & sovereign, has merely replace God with junk at the center of our lives. Everybody is their own god & shows no respect for others. Belligerence & rudeness everywhere. The most basic social group, the family, flies apart.
Take away our toys and we are left with nothing.
MrZadokthePriest 5 months ago
@MrZadokthePriest
Wow... you make it sound like people who doesn't believe your god are empty puppets lacking purpose.
Honestly... that really isn't the case. It's not the lack of a god that makes people unhappy and rude. I've seen many religious people being more rude than any atheist. And there are just as many atheists who are happy with their lives as there are religious people who are.
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Anyhow, to comment on the actual video; the byzantines were freaking manly. =D
UltimaShadow 3 months ago
What about the thousands killed under the revolutionary Robespierre? Or the cynical enlightened Napoleon? Or the millions under the race crazed Hitler? Or under the secular Lenin? Or ideological Stalin?
The human animal is one nasty piece of work. We are moral beings without proportion. At least Christianity appeals to our higher angels. No Tzar was ever as brutal as the communist dictators who followed. No Kaiser as craven as the Nazis. Both symptomatic of the nihilism of our age.
MrZadokthePriest 5 months ago
Hieronimus Wolfe, a German historian in the 15th century, gave the Eastern Roman Empire the name Byzantine, in his attempt to record the Medieval history of the Greeks without having to refer to ancient or the later Roman times. In Byzantium the language of the people was always Greek, and from the 6th cent. AD it replaced Latin as the official too.
Hellercor 6 months ago
The map is incorrect it was all Italy(including Rome) that was reconquered not all Hispania that remain in hands of Suevi and Visigoths. Spania Province was as far as the Empire went it was still a big part of ancient Hispania.
ImperialGuard9001 7 months ago
@machetee100 The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire the ROMAN EMPIRE(thus was its name) was Roman an Empire and Holy!
ImperialGuard9001 7 months ago
anybody who wants to see a bad comment, just look at the one 'machetee100 posted (in uploader comments). Byzantium was a great civilisation with great culture.
conor845 7 months ago
@machetee100 As Voltaire said: The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
Lavard14 8 months ago
@machetee100
Are you kidding us ?
Who has taken centuries to reclaim their own country from the Arabs ?
Who has wiped out the Incas and Aztecs ?
Who has killed millions of indigenous people in America ?
Of course, the fine Spaniards and your friends from Portugal.
And you call Byzantine a crummy and outdated civilisation.
Rather applies to you.
Oesterreich1156 8 months ago
@Oesterreich1156 actually this guy machetee100 is a Turk not a Spaniard
PyriphIegethon 5 months ago
@PyriphIegethon
it's not my problem, in his channel spain is his home county.
Oesterreich1156 5 months ago
The Byzantine Empire had some nice artwork. But why did the Western European Christians attacked Constantinople in 1204 and they were christians also and the Byzantine were the protectors of christianity?
98bigbutt 8 months ago
@98bigbutt Go ask POPEs!!! :D
lolagras 8 months ago
@98bigbutt first of all iam catholic and secons because they were greedies =D, come on we are seeing from a modern point of view now we must unite and attack those scum bags fkng muslims
DoubleJSto 7 months ago
@DoubleJSto,Don't judge the Muslims like that because the Koran also mentions Jesus Christ,Abraham and Moses. But to the Muslims,Jesus Christ is mentioned as a prophet.
98bigbutt 5 months ago
@98bigbutt By 1204, Western Europeans and the Byzantines were very distinct with each other in culture, economy, religion and politics. To the Byzantines, Western Europeans were barbarians and the Byzantines were seen as weaklings by Western Europeans. Western Europeans were Roman Catholic Christians and the Byzantines were Eastern Orthodox Christians. To Western Europeans, Roman Catholicism was the only true Christian faith and other forms were heretical.
MrLantean 5 months ago
@MrLantean The Western Europeans were indeed very hostile towards the Romans (Contra Errores Graecorum etc).
I disagree with the names of the 2 churches though. Of course, these terms are in general use and it's strange for someone to disagree, but scientists agree that the "true" Romans were the so-called Byzantines. Therefore, the Orthodox Church IS the Roman Church (Rum Ortodoks Patrikhanesi is called by the Turks even today) while Papists were the ones who broke away for political reasons.
Lhein33 5 months ago
@Lhein33 After the fall of Rome in 476, Western Europe lacked a stable political entity like the one at Constantinople. That void was filled by the Roman Catholic Church. The Pope also began to use the titles that were usually only reserved to the Roman Emperors. In Constantinople, Roman instituitions were maintained and elements of the old Roman Empire were preserved. Both the emperor and the patriarch had equal authorities on religious issues.
MrLantean 5 months ago
@MrLantean It's usual for the Church to fill the political gap.The same thing was done after 1453: the Patriach of Constantinople (and all the bishops to some extent) had political powers. The sultan himself considered the Patriach as the political leader of the Rum (enslaved Romans).
The problem with the West is that the Franks tried to "impersonate" the true Romans and, when they took over the Patriarchate of Rome, they created some heresies to alienate it from the whole Church.
Lhein33 5 months ago
@Lhein33 The influence of the Roman Empire was so great that Germanic peoples who conquered Western Europe tried to imitate many aspects of Roman ideology. In 800AD, Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope as Emperor of the Romans. Pope Leo III saw the throne at Constantinople as vacant although it was occupied by the ruling Empress Irene. This action had infuriated the Byzantines and caused another schism and rift between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.
MrLantean 5 months ago
@MrLantean The word Roman was synonymous to the ecumenical state. Romans had the "right" to rule all the known world. So, if Charlemagne wanted to "legalize" his rule, he had to be named (Roman) Emperor. The title "Emperor" itself was only for the Roman Emperor; that's why Nikephoros Phokas was so offended when Liutprand said he brought him a message from the "Emperor" Otto II.
It was for the same reason that the Franks gave to Γραικός a scornful meaning and stopped calling Byzantines Romans.
Lhein33 5 months ago
@Lhein33 From Charlemagne's empire, a Holy Roman Empire was created and its rulers were named emperors. Of course, the Roman emperors at Constantinople were offended by Frankish kings trying to gain equal status with them. However, Emperor Alexei sent envoys to Rome, requesting military assistance to regain Anatolia from the Turks who defeated the Byzantines at the battle of Manzikert in 1071. This of course triggered the First Crusade.
MrLantean 5 months ago
@MrLantean The one doesn't exclude the other. The Byzantine Empire had a very flexible diplomacy and thanks to this it managed to survive for 1,100 years. One of the basic principles of their diplomacy was "noone is so mortal enemy so that we cannot use him against another adversary". Alexios wanted the Pope to give him some mercenary troops to fight against the Seljuqs who had defeated Rhomania in Mantzikert; it was the Pope who made the plan for a whole Crusade for his own ends.
Lhein33 5 months ago
@Lhein33 Mastery the art of diplomacy is one of the reasons why the Byzantine Empire lasted for more than 1000 years. They treated every enemies as potential alliesand vice versa. They sent spies to every known civilizations to learn their language, culture, religion and politics. They made an effort to know their enemies better than enemies themselves. As a result, the empire had gathered a very good deal of intelligence. It is something that the West failed to understand.
MrLantean 5 months ago
Well done. Shows the level to which Constantinople embodied Roman law and might, Greek learning, and Christian morality & charity.
Fell on this date, May 29th, 1453.
Christendom - esp. Latin Christianity - continues to fragment. Western culture has turned to secularism, nihilism and narcissism as a ersatz remedy for its loss of faith. To build families & rear children on such a parody cannot last but a generation.
Forget revivals or reformations. Pray for another Constantine.
MrZadokthePriest 9 months ago 2
@MrZadokthePriest,The reality is that all religions are bullshit and people needs to move on from that.
98bigbutt 5 months ago
@98bigbutt You say "the reality is that all religions are bullshit & people need to move on from that." With all due respect, move on to what?
G.K. Chesterton observed: "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing — they believe in anything."
Apart from the absolute & universal the individual becomes his own god. Morality becomes subjective & arbitrary. The good is defined by self-advancement, order by self-aggrandizement. When God dies so dies humanity.
MrZadokthePriest 5 months ago
@MrZadokthePriest,Oh really? Then what about the millions of people that were killed under the name of god?
98bigbutt 5 months ago
@MrZadokthePriest,Remember the George Carlin quote-"More people were killed under the name of god than for any other reason."
98bigbutt 5 months ago
Fantastic video! Congratulations from Greece! Time for all us Europeans to find again and honour our greek-roman legacy, which is our common european legacy!
kallimaxos 9 months ago
Don't fight let's say empire was both Roman and Greek. Like it or not spaniards, greeks and italians have too much in common.
Boromir33 9 months ago
I would even say Greeks were more Romans than Italians. The Roman Empire and Civ lasted until 476 in Italy in Greece it lasted until 1461!
ImperialGuard9001 7 months ago 2
The Byzantines were Greeks, they called themselves Romans back then but they're the same people that we see in modern Greece. Any Arab or Italian who says otherwise can fuck off.
Christos2255 9 months ago 23
@Christos2255 I AM ITALIAN AND I AM TELLING YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR HISTORY. WHY WOULD GREEKS CALL THEMSELVES ROMANS AND NOT ROMANS CALL THEMSELVES ROMANS "BACK THEN" ?
STOP MAKING DOOGY POOP UP, BEFORE YOU POST GATHER YOUR FACTS. I WILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO DO YOUR RESEARCH.
ARomanVenus 9 months ago
@ARomanVenus How am I making up dog poop?. The Byzantine emperor is universally accepted as being Greek. They spoke Greek and they were Greek Orthodox, how can you even deny it?. The last emperor was called Konstantinos XI Dragases Palaiologos. How is that Italian?. The only reason it's called a roman emperor is because they knew themselves as romans, up untill 100 years ago the Greeks called themselves Romaoi.
Christos2255 9 months ago 7
@Christos2255 Dragatsis was digenis his mother was Serbian and the name means Dragon.The name Greeks Slavs Bulgars Syrians Aigyptians Palestinians etc was inpliment from the great powers because they afraid the Romioi as expresion, remindes lost memorys and was afraid a new Byzantine empire who was in the same position as Othoman empire and affect again the opium and spice trade(East indian companys)
knighttemplar6 8 months ago
@Christos2255 Italian and Roman isnt the same thing. Is like calling a German from Cologne or Englishman from London Romans just because the Roman Empire was there. Hold on they arent the same thing in Lombardy they probaly have more Lombard blood than Roman in Sicily they have Norman blood! So look what with that nation-states concepts in conenction with comic book history Italians have big part of influence from Roman but so have Spaniards French etc
ImperialGuard9001 7 months ago
And for big part of Roman History in east greek was lingua franca and main language that Romans used when Christ was crucified Pilatos and its Roman garrison spoke Greek not Latin as day to day basis altough they probaly knew Latin (PIlatos surely did since was from Western Half of the Empire) there was in way "two roman empires" since Alexander the Great Hellenic Civilization remain strong in East even with the Roman Empire but that doesnt mean they werent Romans regarless
ImperialGuard9001 7 months ago
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@ImperialGuard9001 The real Romans are Italians though. We used to call ourselves Romans but we're not because we're obviously Greek. Spaniards and French aren't romans, they were just subjects to them. You like MGS good for you.
Christos2255 6 months ago
@Christos2255 This is why maybe Greeks should be called Romans instead! They are indeed the last of the Romans! Since the Roman Empire estabalished there they were Romans! The Roman Civlization is build on Greek bases so no wonder the two cultures mixed. All great emperors or roman leaders spoke greek fluently. Hadrian is one good example of a man fascinated by Greek culture. There were many more when West colapse the East remain Roman and strong as ever.
ImperialGuard9001 1 week ago
@ARomanVenus The Greek as word in Byzantine days become synonymous with Paganist for some strange reason All about philosofy tecnology etc remains intact.But the Romioi is not mean entire Roman is very diferent thing it is like an ideology like today America.
knighttemplar6 8 months ago
@Christos2255 They where greek but remember that Byzantine empire was roman for over 1000 years so it was a roman/greek. And as far as i know people from whole meditaranian even today are very simular.
titoli1 3 months ago
@titoli1 I know what you mean, if course it was roman as well but some people say it isn't even slightly greek which is stupid because whoever they were modern greeks are descendants of them. You're right Greeks/Romans were basically the same back in the day and that's why even now Greeks are always associated with Italians despite differences in language and the issue over us not believing in the pope.
Christos2255 3 months ago
@Christos2255 you greeks make me sick!! fuck talk about your greece of today
pompei1968 2 months ago
@pompei1 Fuck you Napoli is a greek colony u greaseball
Christos2255 2 months ago
@Christos2255 haha typical greek!!! hahaha rhodes island and the dodecanese is an italian colony..haha !! you greeks always talk about 3000 years ago...how old..haha.. i think greece was better under ottoman.haha
pompei1968 2 months ago
@pompei1968 Haha!! what a moral...haha typical asshole, haha..!! open a fucking book sometime otherwise you are nothing but an ape with a keyboard
pss469 2 months ago
@pss469 αχαχαχαχχαχα typical asshole.ακομα γελαω ρε φυλε.
panosmel97 2 months ago
@Christos2255 I think all Europe are Romans ..... not only Greece
FAAD80 2 months ago
@Christos2255 The Greek of today descended from them is true they were mainly greek speakers but they were Roman alrigth in East Greek never was replaced by Latin as in Western Roman empire since it already had cultural dominance there with its great philosophy and science that Romans themselfs were influenced by the Roman Elite such as Ceasar were biligual and spoke both Latin and Greek many of his great phrases were in Greek not in latin.But they were Romans withoud doubt.
ImperialGuard9001 1 week ago
@Tahuzilla It was a Roman empire in the first years then it transformed into a fully Greek empire.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
Trolololol Byzantine not Greek Empire. Lolololol.
PsikoTTrex 10 months ago
@PsikoTTrex The ottoman empire wasnt a Turkish empire. lol
Zorro11144 10 months ago
The Byzantine empire was culturally converted to greek.
Yet the term ''byzantine'' apeared after the Fall of COnstantinopole.
The inhabitants themselves called themselves as romani and wrote on their maps Romania. This is the real name used by byzantines, Romania. I read this in an a academical document, you can see on wiki also.
ZamolxisGebeleizis 11 months ago
@ZamolxisGebeleizis After 1000AD the empire begun to transform from a Greco Roman empire to a fully Greek empire.The emperors of Nicaea took the tittle emperors of the Greeks,Constantine paleologos said Constantinople is the hope and the joy of every Greek.Pletho Gemistus also said we are descendants of Greeks while Emperor Ioannes Vatatzes said I am comming from Greek desent and i am proud of my origins. etc etc.Because all of these Byzantium/Eastern Roman empire is considered a Greek empire.
Zorro11144 11 months ago
@Zorro11144 No. They did not call themselves Greeks, and Emperors did not call themselves "Emperors of Greeks". Hellene was a word for ancient Greek Pagans. All citizens of the Empire were Romans by Roman law.
vonVince 10 months ago
@vonVince The emperors of Nikaea took the title Emperors of the Greeks. Secondly there was the Byzantine theme of Hellas. The official language was Greek. All foreigners called the empire as Imperium Graecorum.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
@vonVince The scholar, teacher, and translator, John Argyropoulos, addressed John VIII Palaiologos as "Sun King of Hellas" and urged the last Emperor, Constantine XI, to proclaim himself "King of the Hellenes". During the same period, the neo-platonic philosopher George Gemistos Plethon boasted "We are Hellenes by race and culture," and proposed a re-born Byzantine Empire following a utopian Hellenic system of government centered in Mystras.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
@vonVince According to the historian George Sphrantzes, on the eve of the Fall of Constantinople, the Last Emperor urged his soldiers to remember that they were the descendants of Greeks.In a letter to Pope Gregory IX, the Byzantine emperor John Vatatzes claimed to have received the gift of royalty from Constantine the Great, and put emphasis on his "Hellenic" descent, exalting the wisdom of the Greek people.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
@vonVince He was presenting Hellenic culture as an integral part of the Byzantine polity in defiance of Latin claims. Byzantine Greeks had always felt superior for being the inheritors of a more ancient civilisation, but such ethnic identifications had not been politically popular up until then.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
@vonVince Byzantium was a Greek empire weather you like it or not.
Zorro11144 10 months ago
The division caused its collapse. Orthodox unity will bring it back: Armenian, Serbian, Russian, Assyrian, Greek, Bulgaria, and others. We are still suffering from turanism, the time for unity is NOW.
theforgottenorg 11 months ago
@1987naren I really cant remember the name but it was russian documentary I will try to find out...
CroPETROforever 11 months ago
@1987naren from documentary movies...
CroPETROforever 11 months ago
The Roman and the Byzantine Empire was for more than thousand years the bulwark against niggers, and sandniggers. Without them, the Romans and the Greeks, Europe today wouldn't be the center of civilization and economy, but Arabia, northern Africa and Turkey. No matter what kind of European you are, Celt, Slav, or German, you must always hold the Romans and Greeks in high respect, because they are the very creators of Europe.
TheMomemtum 1 year ago 38
@TheMomemtum yeah im black and you useing the word nigger is just your Ignorance talking and you didnt have to say Nigger
powersmalik 9 months ago
@powersmalik you are always welcome on my videos don't worry :)
CroPETROforever 9 months ago
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14mromegaman 8 months ago
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@powersmalik 90%percent of black people in the US use that word everyday and I find it rather childish that non blacks cant use it,grow up you Crybaby .The English Dictionary belongs to all English speaking peoples,if you dont like it, learn Swahili you pathetic sooty basterd
14mromegaman 8 months ago
@TheMomemtum I totally agree with you in every point....
and i thought I´m the only one with this opinion
TheDurex93 4 months ago in playlist history
Byzantine was wery advanced compered to western europe at that time but come on, primitive midle ages?
And it was not only byzantine who saved europe from arab invations, the arabs were aslo stopped by the germanic franks in the west when they advanced north trhough spain. And they were eventualy driven out from spain.
And in truth, byzantine grew into a greec empire.
Nortrix87 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Well the Byzantines fought with the Goths. They repelled them in the Balkans and then Belisarius counterattacked them in Africa and in Italy. But you know the Byzantines later cooperated with the Rus vikings and one of the best guards were the Varangians. And there is a story of some Goths in Asia minor who were called as Gotthograekoi and they fought for the emperor too.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
@Nortrix87 Germanic Franks in middle 8th century stopped MAURS from Spain, maurs is not same as arabic. :)
CroPETROforever 11 months ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 11 months ago
@CroPETROforever Yeah i know, we have a habit calling all muslims arabic, don`t know why =P
Nortrix87 11 months ago
The byzantine never fought the germans, there was no germans before 19th century.
The germanic people however. The east roman ampire suffered great defets to the germanic but the germanic consentrated on the western roman empire. And the eastern empire had greater defencive fortofications around the capital.
However later the byzantine empire and germanic became allied as the Vikings who served as the Emperors elite forces:
The Varangian guard.
Nortrix87 1 year ago 2
Thanks for this wonderful video -- my ancestors were of Byzantium.
We will get our lands and Holy Wisdom back!!!!!!!!!
It is not over!!!!!!!
realnyc123 1 year ago 3
@realnyc123 thank you for nice commment :)
CroPETROforever 11 months ago
@realnyc123 sorry guys but unfortunately it's over:(((
ufukoktay 10 months ago
Nice historian
TurkishIsTurkic 1 year ago
@TurkishIsTurkic thank you :)
CroPETROforever 1 year ago
Rome died 476, this fucks even renamed Empire + majority of population were greeks and other couquered ppl in that Eastern medit.
That was not Roman Empire it was something else.
Praventore 1 year ago
@Praventore well it was the eastern part of th roman empire making it roman
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
I didn't saw that coming but I should have known better :)
You 'balanced' professionally on the relation between Byzantium-Rome-Greece and as a Greek I must tell....not many people do that :)))
ps. I still think the videos are great!
megalolamogio 1 year ago
Great!
Do you make these animations yousrelf or do you cut them from other vids??
megalolamogio 1 year ago
@megalolamogio I cut them than I convert into right format, than put on professional program for video making and than make the video to upload here :)
CroPETROforever 1 year ago
@CroPETROforeve
Congrats! I take that's you studied directing.
The final result looks pretty original and in my humble opinion the directing and music dressing is very well put together.
Keep up with the good job :)
megalolamogio 1 year ago
@megalolamogio I didn't study directing hehe :) I study history and archeology :)
CroPETROforever 1 year ago
You cant realy say that the byzantine empire was pure greek. The Official languages was greek and latin spoken by the aristocracy but more than 40% of the population spoke and many other languages. The population was made by many nationalities who was united by Christianity.So you cant argue about the true descendants of the the byzantine empire. The descendants are NOT only greek.
ps. the word "greek" is from a turkish word and u can translate it "infidel"
ps2. the Europe gave as that name.
Kostantinho 1 year ago
Byzantium after the fall of the Roman Empire,was not worth of the names Rome
p.s. kao i uvijek,lijep uradak!!! 8)
FaberOSK 1 year ago
@FaberOSK and who was worthy enough? Maybe is the one that the pope named Holy Roman empire after crowned Otto I Emperor of the Romans!!!
right? :P
Kostantinho 1 year ago
@Kostantinho none of them,no one is worth a name of the great Rome
I have nothing against the Greeks, I was last year with a motorcycle in Greece and I will again, 8) it is just my opinion(About Byzantium and Roman empire), I just love history ... 8)
FaberOSK 1 year ago
@FaberOSK I respect ur opinion. Not because u was last year with a motorcycle in Greece (lol) but 'cause i was thinking. How can u naming ur empire Roman when u change your religion from polytheism to Christianity when you change your capital from Rome to Byzantium (Costantinoupoli)... and when the most things have changed in your empire you r still using the same name for something nearly different!
am i right?
Kostantinho 1 year ago
@Kostantinho thanks mate! 8) then it was Roman empire, during this period christianity, but I'm talking about the fall of the Roman Empire,after that Byzantium was not worth the name of Rome,it was Byzantium,remains of the Eastern Roman Empire.Constantin was a roman emperor,and first Christian emperor.and yes he moved capital to east.8)
FaberOSK 1 year ago
the byzantine empire became small after 600 a.d. they were not the most powerful force for a 1000 years. greater empires in west africa,east asia,the arabs, and some east africns were the most powerful force .sorry euro-centrics but europe was not the most powerful force in the middle ages. it was the africans and asia.read a history book
CELL111able 1 year ago
@CELL111able it was more powerfull for 1000 years by economy, development, art, architecture, research and civilization standards, there was no empire or kingdom of that time who would match byzantine empire by this standards. Millitary was another issue.
CroPETROforever 1 year ago 14
@CroPETROforever no it was not. reaseach. the great empires of christian nubia,axum,islamic golden age,the moors,china ,other great african civilizations like the mande,ghan,mali empire etc.
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CELL111able 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar
lol, someone here likes to ignore time frames *cough cough mentioning examples which are all post 4th crusade cough cough*
Blueboy4440 11 months ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 11 months ago
@CELL111able Hahaha, my color skin friend, your arab countries were primitive copy civilization, you hadn't inventions, you simple copy the indian and chinese inventions. Barbarian shepherd nomad was the majority of Arabs
celebration81 1 year ago
@CELL111able right, which is why half these empires, such as the Umayyads, Abassids, Ottomans, cracked and crumbled at a moments notice whereas European empires (such as the Byzantines here) have stood the lengthy tests of time. Don't make me laugh. Guess who still calls the shots in the world today? Oh, that's right.. the West. Sure, empires that stretched the middle east and africa might have been powerful militarily, but they all fell relatively quickly which tells you something about em.
Blueboy4440 11 months ago
this is sparta xD
NoobSnoopy 1 year ago
CroPetro- do some more historic videos about heroic Romans and Byzantines and Slavic Christians. Keep ''em coming. Slavic nations - hope of future Christian Europe - to the rescue of Romano-Germanics from arab invasion. BOZHE, SPASAI SLAVYANE!!
DigitalTsar 1 year ago
@DigitalTsar I will
CroPETROforever 1 year ago
Το Βυζαντιο βασικα αποτελει τον συνδετικο κρικο του αρχαιου κοσμου με τα μετεπειτα χρονια. Δεν ειπα οτι ηταν αμιγως Ελληνικο αλλα θεωρειται Ελληνικη αυτοκρατορια επειδη το Ελληνικο στοιχειο ηταν κυριαρχο. Και πρεπει να καταλαβουμε οτι εμεις οι Ελληνες ειμαστε οι κληρονομοι του Βυζαντιου!
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Byzantium was a Greek empire because the oficial language was the Greek and it's culture was Greco Roman. Great personalities like Anthemius and Isidorus and Cyril with Methodius were Greeks as well. And many emperors as well. The emperors of Nikea take the title emperors of the Greeks. The Byzantine aristocracy was Greek. So mostly for these reasons the Byzantine empire is considered Greek.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar It had a Greco Roman culture because thr Byzantines called themselves Romioi and we Greeks even today we still use that word and means Greek orthodox. And it is consider a Greek empire as I explained previously.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
@Zorro11144 Ι absolutely agree!!!!
The word Byzantine created in 17th cent. by historians, in middle ages the "byzantines" called each other Romaioi or Romans. But the people of this empire was a mix of many nations, but mainly Greeks.
They were keepers/quards of Roman glory and Greek knowledge.
THAT'S THE TRUTH
Archangel106GR 1 year ago 4
Iconaclasm started at 800 was resolved at 900. So what? In Europe the Catholics burnt Witches since 16th century. This tell us how backward was Europe at that time.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar When I've said west middle age europe I was not refering to italians cities, or cities in italian peninsula, I was refering on today france, germany, england, spain etc...
CroPETROforever 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
Byzantium was a Greek empire all the way but some people just cant accept it. The Byzantine empire was so great that lasted more than 1000 years it defended Europe and when it fell passed its legacy to Europe by triggering the Renaissance age.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar The first advance in Italy begans when Venice makes trade with the Byzantine empire. Also at Ferara many ideas were exchanged and this was the spark of the enlightment. And the Renaissance age is triggered by the Byzantines as well if you see the books of the 15th century in italy they are just translated books from Greek to latin and most of these books are about the ancient Greece. And of course Byzantium had advanced technology take for example the Greek fire.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar The Byzantine music wasnt monolithic in fact the Arabs borrowed some elements of the Byzantine music. The Byzantine empire was far ahead of it's time Constantinople was the only capital at that time with 1.000.000 citizens. And please dont twist the facts. The Byzantines created the cyrilic while the Byzantine art expanded in eastern Europe and in Italy. And dont forget the Byzantine philosophers such as Plethon Gemistus and many others.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Can you tell me about the western prospective? When does it starts? After they sacked constantinople I am sure. After 1204 because they were thieves. And Byzantine music wasnt monophonic in any case. And it had 1000000 citizens in its prime time untill 1050 at least. Byzantium had philosophers when Europe had only bards and Alchemistes who were believed to be wizards back then.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar The west evolves after 1204 and 1453. Before that in Europe were only bards and Alchemists. Aghia sophia the Greek fire and many more achievements prove how far ahead were the Byzantines from Europe. And the Byzantines were defeated because it was attacked from the west and the east as well.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Well if you dont accept that the Byzantines triggered Renaissance age then you agree with the historians who say that the Arabs triggered the Renaissance age. I tell it to you just toknow what are you doing right now.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Tomas Aquinas is after 1204. In Europe before 1204 only bards and Alchemists existed mostly.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Carolingan renaissance what about it? Did it achieved anything? Can we compare it with Rennaissance age? No we cant. Carolingian art can we compare it with Byzantine art? No we cant. Only some laws were made just not to behave as animals. Yes Boethius the last remnants of Rome.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Do you know that the Franks were feudalists backward lords who had the population enslaved in the land. While the Byzantines had a commercial economy. And that the silk in Byzantium was the first industry in Europe. Just look how primitive is the Carolingian art and you will understand.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Byzantium didnt have feudals only after 1204. The emperor didnt allow feudals in the empire. These guilds in venice evolve when they make commerce with Byzantium. And yes the Byzantines made slave trade in a degree but there werent Feudals and peasants living in awful conditions.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar I am telling once more it wasnt feudal but a commercial economy. The European navy was very primitive compared the Byzantine Galleys. The Venecian navy was the same with the Byzantine because they had close relations.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar Yes in which naval battle they defeated the Byzantines? In the siege of Constantinople 200 Ottoman ships lost only from the 7 ships.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
@EnlightenedShqiptar And The Byzantines defeated the Saracens many times at sea holding them back for centuries. The Saracens were repelled by the Byzantines in south Italy in Dalmatia in the Aegean and in the east.
Zorro11144 1 year ago
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EnlightenedShqiptar 1 year ago
ITALY - GREECE
ONE FACE, ONE RACE
DiscoSource 1 year ago
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