Why does america always interfere with others affairs.....bunch of bullies...that need to mind their own business... in fact concentrate on their own problems and not be hypocrites
bTW, MM lives in a 98% white, closed gated community. No Blacks, No Muslims. Let's build the victory Mosque on his property. Since like so many of these "diversity loving" in words only libtards live in white only neighborhoods let them embrace the diversity they never shut the f... up about in their closed gated high society communities
I have a suggestion for Mr. Moore. Get out of America and apologize for mooching off the capitalist system you calim is so evil. Real Americans will NEVER apologize for striking back after the towers fell. Only traitorous vermin like Michael Moore do. Let's see if Mr. Fatso could be a multi-Millionaire in Cuba- which by the way banned his turd flick Sicko. 9/11 was an ISLAM job. Now get over it. Build the victory Mosque on Mike Moore's lakeview property.
Striking back? Stiriking back at what? Al Quaida? No, Usama is still free as a bird. Who are paying for your war? The innocent civilians in Afghanistan. US is using bombs (worse than the bombs of the terrorists), using torture, kidnapping people from all over the world, comitting crimes of war and crimes against humanity and so on. And you are calling that "striking back"? Who are you trying to fool? Yourself?
@Jasminewynja Get lost you crybaby pansy pinko. Btw, your overweight "God" MM is suing those that paid 20 million for his 2002 turd flick, which bombed, for 2.5 million. It seems 20 Million is enough for "your average working man" . I bet if you lost relatives /friends on 9/11, etc you would be signing a very different tune. If you want to deal with War crimes ask MM why he refused to show Saddam's tortute chamblers and the thousands of unmarked all over Iraq.
Are you comparing US to Saddam now? If not i can't see any point in your blabbing about Saddam. The consequence of what you are saying is like this: "If Saddam behaves like a true dictator US have the rights to behave like a true dictaor aswell" or "If Usama behaves like a terrorist, US has the right to behave as a terrorist too". One could think you would expect more from a democracy and it's people.
@Jasminewynja How is liberating Iraq from Saddam's genocidal regime "A war crime"? You really didn't think this through. I guess Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Libya's Charlie Sheen,etc are not war criminals either by your analysis , that sounds more like Charlie Sheen's ramblings than anything that has any basis at all with reality and common sense. School girls were thrown acid on their face under Osama' rule and you call us the "war criminals. Get a clue.
"Liberating"? Now you're being a clown, a failed clown. When you are commiting crimes of war it's still crimes of war regardless your intentions. It's kind of tragic that i have to point that out to you. Saddam was as far as we know a horrible person, but as far as we know Bush were probably an even more horrible person. Torture, the use of cluster bombs, use of depleted uranium poisoning the people of Iraq, the use of bombs where you know civilians lives etc. thats terrorism
"School girls were thrown acid on their face under Osama' rule and you call us the "war criminals"
So you mean it got better when you installed Sharia in Iraq!?? It's better now when the minorities has to flee their homeland? When women are more oppressed now than under the tyranny of Saddam?
Maybe you should read up at least a little before you're making a complete fool of yourself.
You wrote this in another channel: "Blillion Muslimes that want rape Europe and the US ( Israel is what's stopping them) and rammed SSharia bs down our throats and all you....blablabla"
And you really think USA liberated Iraq if that's your true opinion? Especially since USA installed Sharia in Iraq. LMAO!
You're nothing but an uneducated warmonger and a hater it appears.
Funny how the Chinese are laughing at us while they secure exclusive mineral mining rights in Afganistan and were over there protecting thier mining crews and buisness intrests. What a joke lol. Seriously if ANY dipshit doesn't conclude by now that were in Irag for exlusive oil rights in our on going mineral wealth war with China you seriously need your heads examined. Sad our brave men and women in the military are just serving as deluded pawns for the corporate intrests in this country.
9+ years, $3b a week? THEY ARE FAKE WARS, YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR CORPORATE WAR PROFITS, OIL, AND OPIUM. Wait until you are turned against U.S. families during martial law by an illegal commander in chief and his lesbian Sec DHS to protect their power. Be a patriot, wake up, and speak out to defend what's left of our freedoms. 80m vets, 450m guns, tons of ammo, against 200k nervous northcom/xe drones... I like those odds. Research Jesuits-Wars-Vatican. Use your brain, don't be a drone.
Afghanistan war has very big support in are country compered to usa. big reson for that is that the swedish media have interview a lot of afghan peolpe and most of them like that that we are there but most of this interview had been made in the swedish area of afghanistan. today i saw a interview of a soldiers that got wouded soldier that he still support the swedish presset in afghanistan and he have had been i a wheel chair for more then a year now.
America needs to STOP INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES. Afghanistan will never trust America and will never want to work with us in any capacity. This war has DESTROYED THE US ECONOMY. GET OUT NOW.
I agree w/ Michael Moore. And, believe it or not, there are people in the tea party movement who want the troops to come home from Iraq & Afghanistan. Progressives & libertarians & tea party Republicans should work together on a few issues like this. I'd rather get a few things accoplished rather than have NOTHING accoplished because of political gridlock.
There is a way to win in Afghanistan. Copy Genghis Khan's methodology. Demolish the cities and leave pyramids of skulls. Poison the wells. Kill all the livestock. Seed the place with even more landmines. Nobody came to Afghanistan with the notion that there was anything of value there other than opium and a route for an oil pipeline. Make it uninhabitable with Strontium 90 dirty bombs. That's how to win in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is a really stupid war just like Iraq. How much longer dose the destruction and suffering have to continue before some President in America is brave enough to put an end to it??? Obama's Promises record> Close Guantanamo Bay > Still open for business. Bring the Troops Home from Iraq > Still Approx 85000 as of Feb 28 this year. Dont hold your breath for Peace anytime soon People.
@degillin well the President is supposed to be the commander and chief of all his armed forces. Its quite possible Obama sadly just doesn't have the support he needs as far as Iraq is concerned. But he appears to fully support the occupation in Afghanistan strange given that these terrorist groups can set up training camps in just about any country at any time. eg Indonesia's become well known recently for its terrorist training camps i don't see the Americans going in there.
@mattandpatti222 hhmm yes Arny will be in it for sure playing the role of a double agent for the CIA in an Indonesian terrorist organization it will be another award winning performance for sure!. Getting back to reality I think John Pilger could be right obama could turn out to be worse than bush.
Michael Moore is the only one I have heard that has spoken the truth about 9/11. A terrorist group attacked us not a country. Everything he said is true. We should not be messing around in other countries affairs which is probably the reason they attacked us in the first place. We should be protecting this country from within this country.
I just got back from my second tour. This video is right in saying it has no value to our security. However it is wrong if it tries to say the country is not better from our presence aka invasion if thats what you hippies wanna call it. On my first tour the country was out of control. On my 2nd tour 2 years later I noticed a huge improvement in the infrastructure. There are no benefits for us in the war in Afghanistan but there are for the Afghans to say other wise is ignorant.
@CrazyMunky84 Tell it to the dead and crippled soldiers or to the Dead Afghani women and children and civilians you murder. LEAVE THAT COUNTRY BE. They do not want you there and they will FUCKING KILL YOU.
@MrMandingus Oh I'm sorry I didn't know you were there. I didn't know you saw it all with your own eyes. Oh wait you didn't. You're just another hippie going of what he hears on the news. You don't have the slightest clue about Afghanistan. You only comment on it because you're life is boring so you need to comment on issues to make it seem cool. Civilian I murder? What a stupid comment I never killed a single civilian. Typical anti war hippie comment there. You are stupid.
@CrazyMunky84 You don't know anything about me or my life or where i have been. In fact you are nothing but a empty headed bag of meat for the United States. Have fun getting your legs blown off for a faceless war that means absolutley nothing.
@MrMandingus Once again you never said anything factual or logical in your statements. Just hearsay and personal attacks. I do know one thing about you. You are stupid. And your mom doesn't love you because how could anyone love a loser like you. Have a good life stupid.
History repeats itself. If you look at some of the details, this is Vietnam 2.0
Heres an example:
1. On the ground you cannot tell the diffrent between a "good guy" and a "bad guy" which leads in thousand upon thousand of innocent casualties that we kill.
Pull out of Afghanistan? Does this guy like not think more than 5 minutes into the future? The Afghani security forces are not yet equipped or at the strength necessary to maintain order in the country or stop the Taliban from coming back. Then all of the soldiers will have indeed died for nothing.
the soldiers have already died for nothing WE are not Afghanistan they can handle themselves like each an every country not located near or in the middle of the worlds last depleting oil fields the fact that you believe that it matters a flying fuck to the US that afgan security is efficient enough shows the true brain washing going on here the true reason why america is in the middle east is to gain control of resources theres abslutely nothing the US people have to gain from this war
@OGdank13 The Taliban have been pushing back into Afghanistan in recent years and been getting stonger. I know that you and Michael Moore seem to think they died after 2001, but that's not consistant with reality. Also the Afghan army according to the Pentagon report issued in Dec 09 is not prepared to assume security responsibility above the company level.
Also, don't take my word for it. Here was the report featured on the Rachael Maddow show. huffingtonpost. com/2009/12/30/pentagon-report-declares_n_407788.html
@Raptor302 friend, they are getting stronger as you or I would if we were being occupied un justly by another country they are at no fault to them its defense of the homeland. if you trust the information coming public out of the pentagon you might as well read the commission report for your answers.
@OGdank13 Correction to that, it was prepared by an independent group for military officials for an objective assessment. If you think that we were not justified to go into Afghanistan after 9/11, then you are in the minority. And if you think that we can bring the troops home overnight without the place degenerating into anarchy, then you are unrealistic.
911 was a false flag to justify a ridiculous war the the govt knew the people wouldnt back unless fear was instilled on the mainland. terror levels? do they actually represent any kind of actual data? no. bush and co. used the oldest weapon - FEAR it worked your a prime example because you believe this bullshit they tell you to be facts. its cool though i may be the minority but the opposite of that is the old racist t baggers who think we were better off with Bush hahaha
@OGdank13 Oh, your one of those...a conspiracy theorist who loves to entertain the plot of a massive, multi-agency govt was able to stage the greatest terrorist attack in history, fool everyone and keep everyone in the govt silent, even after changing administrations, about it and the only people who know the truth are random anonymous internet bloggers. Drink some more koolaid.
@OGdank13 ya your right we have nothing to gain, except the safety of this country. go tell a soldier they are dying for nothing, and you will get your ass kicked on the spot. We are not at war so Afghanistan can make their own government, we are trying to keep our country safe you fucking retard
@iknewitalready Islam has been declaring war on Christianity since 622 AD my ex-brother and pioneered modern-day terrorism when Muhammad massacred defenseless Jews and Christians. It's slave trade was also TWICE AS LARGE as the Christian slave trade.
@RKarshenas, The more you talk, the more you display your utter ignorance. LOL!!!
BTW, we are already fighting in Pakistan -- from the air, not on the ground, which would be politically unacceptable to the Pakistan government.
You still haven't answered the essential question. If Pakistan becomes seriously threatened by a takeover from the Taliban and jihadists, and their nuclear weapons are vulnerable what should we do???
The 81 combat-related U.S. military casualties in Afghanistan that occurred during the first quarter of this year more than doubled from the 38 U.S. casualties in Afghanistan during the same period in 2009, which was the deadliest year of the eight-year-long war in that country.
I guess this war isn't so bad unless Obama is running it?
Basically right now people are fighting only maybe cause they think we are there to occupy their lands and thats quite normal for anybody with a foreign army in their land. And a lot of the so called bad insurgent are the result of casualty anger, poverty all combined.
Please Mr. Michael Moore stop making opinion about everything since you yourselves does not know How to be a role model for fat people like you. Plus you condoned homosexual activities which is abominable to God.
"They weren't another country declaring war on us." "We elevated these thugs to the status of being a nation." Smartest statement ever to come out of the mouth of this man. Michael Moore nailed it. Fuck you all who disagrees with him. Whoever supports the war on AFGHANS have blood on their hands. We buttfucked with the taliban during dubya's days and now they're our enemies. Fuck outta here. Bush just wanted oil and money. There was no taliban.
Yes, we were silly to invade Afghanistan. We should most definitely apologize for retaliating against a country that harbored the murderers responsible for killing thousands of innocent Americans. Michael Moore makes some good points on other topics, but on this issue especially his insanity shows through.
We should definitely get out of AFG, but not until the country is stabilized or else we hand it right back to terrorists.
Michael, you're terrific, and I fully support your positions on Wall Street, health care, and reforming Washington. I was totally against our unjustified aggression in Iraq (see comment below) but strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
@goog2k So you think you know what is best for Afghanistan and America? Why sit around commenting about it, get your self over to Afghanistan and fight the war or go to the White House and help out, don't just be an idealist windbag.
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
@goog2k the taliban were in power before and no problems. there are small groups who want to bring terror on America like Al Quida. not the taliban. we left vietnam and there was no communist take over of the world. stop butting in to other countries problems. as a matter of fact the US aided and trained the taliban against the soviets.
@Dimber, you're right, the Taliban never harmed the U.S. but they were harboring Al Queda training camps and sheltering Osama bin Laden.
If we abruptly leave now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
you do realize Taliban and Alciada is a creation of CIA and ISI? Also its fact that taliban asked for proof of al Ciada involvement and we refused to provide. Go look up FBI website Osama is not wanted for 9/11 but for something else, although he is supposedly responsible. The reason the fbi website couldnt accuse him is because we dont have sufficient evidence. Either way taliban wasnt at fault.
"In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation."
@goog2k If "We" don't stabilize both Afghanistan and Pakistan...? Who is we? Are you the guardian of Afghanistan and Pakistan, like some nanny or parent? How about "We" stabilize the United States of America? Who are you to say what needs to be done in other countries?
@goog2k with regards to your "critical question" about Pakistan's nuclear weapons, maybe the United States military should have focused the war effort on Pakistan in the first place if this was about the imminent threat of nuclear attack. You are repeating what you have heard. I don't think you know enough about the situation to say with any certainty what needs to be done.
@RKarshenas, If the Taliban & jihadists take over Pakistan, what do you think will happen to the Pakistani nuclear weapons???
Sorry, you that don't have a clue what you're talking about.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
So you are now saying that the Taliban and/or Al Qaeda is trying to take over Pakistan and use nuclear weapons against the United States? That is pretty ambitious, if not stupid, don't you think? I am saying you talk like some wannabe FOX News pundit.
@RKarshenas, The more you talk, the more you display your utter ignorance. LOL!!!
BTW, we are already fighting in Pakistan -- from the air, not on the ground, which would be politically unacceptable to the Pakistan government.
You still haven't answered the essential question. If Pakistan becomes seriously threatened by a takeover from the Taliban and jihadists, and their nuclear weapons are vulnerable what should we do???
basically right now people are fighting only maybe cause they think we are there to occupy their lands. And a lot of the so called insurgents basically are the result of casualty anger, poverty all combined.
The Taliban cut poppy - opium - heroin production in Afghanistan by 90 percent as of the year 2001. Now it's back up to record levels. Drugs = cash for elite money laundering scum who run the world. Guns, drugs, oil.
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown other than opium and as a result because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
@promonument no they can still grow wheat it just doesnt yield the same amount of income as opium production does... its the decision between starving for a few days or selling opium and having enough food for your large family. thats their lives.. and Nato might guard the fields but they are still being harvested by the farmers who inturn sell it to the taliban or drug lords. this really isnt a moral thing its a survival. thats why the afghan government stopped burning the fields a while back
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown other than opium and as a result because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
Try not to miss the point of the video when deciding to comment. Michael Moore has a good, solid message. People are going to ignore or ridicule the message because it is Michael Moore saying it. Furthermore, people like to justify war seemingly on behalf of the United States, but they are just poor losers on YouTube, not military tacticians or top brass.
If we spent half the money we're spending trying to bomb these people into submission on food, schools, hospitals, and business loans, and making the average Afghani's life better, THEY would defeat the Taliban, and Al Queda would have NO safe haven.
trans afganistan pipeline....thats why our sons are dying there.....all to sad''' google trans afgan pipeline and look where our bases are....we are defending unical...oh and Karzi thier president was pres of unical africa.... all facts
As much as I try to avoid Michael Moore's rhetoric, on this particular piece, he makes a simple & solid point. We really don't have any business in Afghanistan with respect to bringing the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice. Most of them who are still alive are in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We've had intelligence for years that tells us this. Why are we mucking around trying to overthrow the taliban shadow government? That's not our business. We don't need to be the world's invader.
He is kind of right.. Anyone claiming to be in the Taliban is jus as guilty as the people who actually commited any crimes against the US. I say we jus kill everyone of them we run across.. Fuck asking questions and treating them humain. Jus kill every last one .. Problem solved.
Alas, Afghanistan is no longer Bush's war. It is now Obama's war. He refuses to give it up and there is no solid reason to do so. The original lies were Bush's. The stupidity is now Obama's. Sad.
@grazon lol nice diversion. bush himself did not plan 911 and it's a purile childish argument to project that on other people. he let it happen,. him and cheney gave the nod. anybody believing otherwise is a straight up idiot
@eyadjamaleddine i've never seen infowars summ anything up. i seen them endlessly ramble and confuse and sell lots of dvd's in the confusion. "get out and apologise" is not something infowars would ever say
@MassLiberal, If we abruptly leave Afghanistan now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before. They will also kill their opposition and re-enslave women.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
Get the full picture Michael,911 was an excuse for the war and the oil and natural gas pipeline to be constructed through and with the money from the poppy fields in Afganistan.Obama has the same staff as Bush pushing through this agenda in search of al-CIA-da which is not traveling around the world because they do not exist.You do great work and you are what AMERICA is about or at least what I thought it should be back when I was a kid watching Leave it to Beaver.
Obama has been duped by the military. Can't believe Gen. "Betrayus" actually said what is on this video. Yes, we need to get out of Afghanistan and offer humanitarian and not military aid. However, war makes money. So far, peace does not seem to do the same.
lol. i don't remember America apologizing for any of its action, not for nuclear bombing Japan, not for carpet bombings of Northern Vietnam, not for hundreds thousands killed Iraqis, not for killed serbs, etc. Difficult to imagine US apologizing.
While I agree on getting out of Afghanistan, Moore is - usual - wildly wrong in his factual assertions. Bin Laden paid the Taliban government of Afghanistan for the right to base himself there, and were part of the 'criminal conspiracy'. Second. we have a history if treating non-state actors as legitimate military targets, not criminals. Piracy is really the best analogy. We don't need to try these animals, we can kill them with spec ops, covert and overt.
Pete1987, If we abruptly leave now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
Michael, you're terrific, and I fully support your positions on Wall Street, health care, and reforming Washington. I was totally against our unjustified aggression in Iraq (see comment below) but strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
Iraq was a travesty and Cheney & Rumsfeld should be charged with war crimes.
Bush caused the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, and displaced 3-4 million Iraqis, many of whom are now living as refugees in Syria & Jordan. How did we help them?
The biggest winners in Iraq were Al Qaeda who grew 10X. and IRAN, whose Shiite friends now control most of Iraq.
We've also had over 4,370 Americans killed and 31,000 wounded. For what? To free Iraqi oil and punish Saddam??
i am liberal and an atheist. but, seriously, fuck Afghanistan and any country that oppresses women and puts gays to death... fuck any county that is a theocracy. Kill em' all. Extreme, yeah, but you can't reason with religious nut jobs.
@Vindaven So shouldn't we then invade North Korea? Burma? Yemen? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Was Iraq justified? Why only Afghanistan? I hate the Taliban too but this war is largely a waste of time, money, and lives. The Afghan people will have to fuck the Islamic fundys themselves; not wait for imperial forces.
@Vindaven So even though most Iranian people hate their government, you'd try and destory them? Even though most Burmese people hate their gov. you'd destory them? Should we destory America? We have a lot of religious fanatics. Why should America, a nation of Christian fundys, have the right to destroy other nations?
I agree with MM most of the time. But on this, he is very naive. The Taliban provided safe haven for al Qaeda. When we leave, the Taliban will return worse than before, and so will al Qaeda.
The Iraq War is the problem. Afghanistan is different. It should have been the focus all along. The only thing men like the Taliban understand is brute force. If we dont punish them, it will strengthen them.
Obama wont pull out of Afgan becuse teh military lobby will then want a war somewhere else which could be a lot more dangerous, it's better than expanding NATO winding up nuclear Russia like clinton/ bush did.
Of course campain finance reform would be better again and we wouldnt have to go to un nessasary wars
Michael Moore leaves out the part that the Taliban had a month to give up Osama bin Laden, that the Taliban could had still been in power if they were expelling al Qaeda. The Taliban are filthy gutter religious fanatics, also thugs.
The FACTS are that ENRON and UNOCAL met with the Taliban in Houston in 1997 and FAILED to get an agreement for the transAfghan pipeline. Immediate after that the ENRON BOD began discussing REGIME change in Afghanistan but needed to get "their guy" in the WH to make it happen. ENRON's CEO, the convicted felon, Ken Lay, bragged of raising $110 MILLION for BUSH in 2000. The BUSH Afghan war was NEVER about Osama and ALWAYS about the pipeline which is being built right now.
Remember, the Taliban was willing to turn over anybody to the US if they showed evidence of the crime of 9/11. The US instead held the Taliban responsible and thus made the entirety of Afghanistan the enemy. Most of those people cant find the US on a map.
@OmarThePug LOL! Those ragheads were never going to turn over Osama bin Laden. They were just talking trash,either believing the USA wouldn't invade or the USA couldn't conquer, or just simple nuts. 2001 is not so long ago that you can rewrite history.
how dare you post this bullshit im a lib and lost dear friends in 9/11 and this fat nasty fucktard setting on his fat rolls saying them ppl lost thier lives isnt a big fucking deal fuck you more the hut this makes me sick this time i dont agree with this channle for posting this vid this is too far
Very true. However, its always after the fact that these fat pig experts or fat pig morons, always come out and say what is wrong as if they always knew the answer. Afghanistan is a wasteland and the people are the lowest life forms on the earth. Why don't we do what Israel did and send in some killers to get the job done the right way instead of sending in newly graduated high school kids that are getting their butts blown off.
blah blah blah. if your fooled by old bush politics then f you!
why dont republicans take responsibility for helping bush murder millions and destroying america? clinging to the fact that there are some corrupt dems doesnt justify anything and i wonder how u fukn sleep at night. fuk you republicans pigs!
Almost everyone in Washington is unfortunately too arrogant to apologize to the people of Afghanistan, besides the US is bent on a policy of murdering Muslims and destabalizing their governments.
besides AIPAC wants more Muslim blood and is already drumming the house and senate for an attack on Iran.
Why does Greenwald support Obama and the democrats so much. Time to wake up and realize that BOTH parties are corrupt and there needs to be a REVOLUTION!
Why does america always interfere with others affairs.....bunch of bullies...that need to mind their own business... in fact concentrate on their own problems and not be hypocrites
09sensai 6 months ago
bTW, MM lives in a 98% white, closed gated community. No Blacks, No Muslims. Let's build the victory Mosque on his property. Since like so many of these "diversity loving" in words only libtards live in white only neighborhoods let them embrace the diversity they never shut the f... up about in their closed gated high society communities
kevyster 1 year ago
I have a suggestion for Mr. Moore. Get out of America and apologize for mooching off the capitalist system you calim is so evil. Real Americans will NEVER apologize for striking back after the towers fell. Only traitorous vermin like Michael Moore do. Let's see if Mr. Fatso could be a multi-Millionaire in Cuba- which by the way banned his turd flick Sicko. 9/11 was an ISLAM job. Now get over it. Build the victory Mosque on Mike Moore's lakeview property.
kevyster 1 year ago
@kevyster
Striking back? Stiriking back at what? Al Quaida? No, Usama is still free as a bird. Who are paying for your war? The innocent civilians in Afghanistan. US is using bombs (worse than the bombs of the terrorists), using torture, kidnapping people from all over the world, comitting crimes of war and crimes against humanity and so on. And you are calling that "striking back"? Who are you trying to fool? Yourself?
Jasminewynja 11 months ago
@Jasminewynja Get lost you crybaby pansy pinko. Btw, your overweight "God" MM is suing those that paid 20 million for his 2002 turd flick, which bombed, for 2.5 million. It seems 20 Million is enough for "your average working man" . I bet if you lost relatives /friends on 9/11, etc you would be signing a very different tune. If you want to deal with War crimes ask MM why he refused to show Saddam's tortute chamblers and the thousands of unmarked all over Iraq.
kevyster 11 months ago
@kevyster
Are you comparing US to Saddam now? If not i can't see any point in your blabbing about Saddam. The consequence of what you are saying is like this: "If Saddam behaves like a true dictator US have the rights to behave like a true dictaor aswell" or "If Usama behaves like a terrorist, US has the right to behave as a terrorist too". One could think you would expect more from a democracy and it's people.
Jasminewynja 11 months ago
@Jasminewynja How is liberating Iraq from Saddam's genocidal regime "A war crime"? You really didn't think this through. I guess Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Libya's Charlie Sheen,etc are not war criminals either by your analysis , that sounds more like Charlie Sheen's ramblings than anything that has any basis at all with reality and common sense. School girls were thrown acid on their face under Osama' rule and you call us the "war criminals. Get a clue.
kevyster 11 months ago
@kevyster
"Liberating"? Now you're being a clown, a failed clown. When you are commiting crimes of war it's still crimes of war regardless your intentions. It's kind of tragic that i have to point that out to you. Saddam was as far as we know a horrible person, but as far as we know Bush were probably an even more horrible person. Torture, the use of cluster bombs, use of depleted uranium poisoning the people of Iraq, the use of bombs where you know civilians lives etc. thats terrorism
Jasminewynja 11 months ago
@kevyster
"School girls were thrown acid on their face under Osama' rule and you call us the "war criminals"
So you mean it got better when you installed Sharia in Iraq!?? It's better now when the minorities has to flee their homeland? When women are more oppressed now than under the tyranny of Saddam?
Maybe you should read up at least a little before you're making a complete fool of yourself.
Jasminewynja 11 months ago
@Jasminewynja Maybe you should watch:
Michael Moore - War Iraq US Agression chronology
mr1000rx 5 months ago
@kevyster
You wrote this in another channel: "Blillion Muslimes that want rape Europe and the US ( Israel is what's stopping them) and rammed SSharia bs down our throats and all you....blablabla"
And you really think USA liberated Iraq if that's your true opinion? Especially since USA installed Sharia in Iraq. LMAO!
You're nothing but an uneducated warmonger and a hater it appears.
Jasminewynja 11 months ago
Funny how the Chinese are laughing at us while they secure exclusive mineral mining rights in Afganistan and were over there protecting thier mining crews and buisness intrests. What a joke lol. Seriously if ANY dipshit doesn't conclude by now that were in Irag for exlusive oil rights in our on going mineral wealth war with China you seriously need your heads examined. Sad our brave men and women in the military are just serving as deluded pawns for the corporate intrests in this country.
MichaelPAUSA 1 year ago
After watching this video, This is guy is a bigger idiot then I thought
hxo20292 1 year ago
9+ years, $3b a week? THEY ARE FAKE WARS, YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR CORPORATE WAR PROFITS, OIL, AND OPIUM. Wait until you are turned against U.S. families during martial law by an illegal commander in chief and his lesbian Sec DHS to protect their power. Be a patriot, wake up, and speak out to defend what's left of our freedoms. 80m vets, 450m guns, tons of ammo, against 200k nervous northcom/xe drones... I like those odds. Research Jesuits-Wars-Vatican. Use your brain, don't be a drone.
mattandpatti222 1 year ago
The fact he STILL continues with 9/11 and Afghanistan being to blame demonstrates he's working for them.
He's as guilty as the government. He has blood on his hands.
chachadley 1 year ago
Afghanistan war has very big support in are country compered to usa. big reson for that is that the swedish media have interview a lot of afghan peolpe and most of them like that that we are there but most of this interview had been made in the swedish area of afghanistan. today i saw a interview of a soldiers that got wouded soldier that he still support the swedish presset in afghanistan and he have had been i a wheel chair for more then a year now.
mattegunnar 1 year ago
America needs to STOP INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES. Afghanistan will never trust America and will never want to work with us in any capacity. This war has DESTROYED THE US ECONOMY. GET OUT NOW.
MrMandingus 1 year ago
I agree w/ Michael Moore. And, believe it or not, there are people in the tea party movement who want the troops to come home from Iraq & Afghanistan. Progressives & libertarians & tea party Republicans should work together on a few issues like this. I'd rather get a few things accoplished rather than have NOTHING accoplished because of political gridlock.
MishuTaste 1 year ago
9/11 Truth will end the Wars
9/11 was an Inside Job
TZMBigsteelguy 1 year ago 2
There is a way to win in Afghanistan. Copy Genghis Khan's methodology. Demolish the cities and leave pyramids of skulls. Poison the wells. Kill all the livestock. Seed the place with even more landmines. Nobody came to Afghanistan with the notion that there was anything of value there other than opium and a route for an oil pipeline. Make it uninhabitable with Strontium 90 dirty bombs. That's how to win in Afghanistan.
formless777 1 year ago
Get out so you can go in .. well let you say sorry when they blow off your families face and yours..
unitedcardioRNP 1 year ago
didnt we find gold mines there lol
usnavysss 1 year ago
Afghanistan is a really stupid war just like Iraq. How much longer dose the destruction and suffering have to continue before some President in America is brave enough to put an end to it??? Obama's Promises record> Close Guantanamo Bay > Still open for business. Bring the Troops Home from Iraq > Still Approx 85000 as of Feb 28 this year. Dont hold your breath for Peace anytime soon People.
ccc771 1 year ago
@ccc771
A president is just a puppet now...he/she has to allow what he/she is allowed and look pretty for the public...
I beleive he meant it when he wanted to bring the troops home, he just doesn't have the real authority
degillin 1 year ago
@degillin well the President is supposed to be the commander and chief of all his armed forces. Its quite possible Obama sadly just doesn't have the support he needs as far as Iraq is concerned. But he appears to fully support the occupation in Afghanistan strange given that these terrorist groups can set up training camps in just about any country at any time. eg Indonesia's become well known recently for its terrorist training camps i don't see the Americans going in there.
ccc771 1 year ago
@ccc771 but the Americans/CIA/NSA are in Indonesia, Somolia, Yemen...all in an endless war on terrorism. Coming soon to a theater near you!
mattandpatti222 1 year ago
@mattandpatti222 hhmm yes Arny will be in it for sure playing the role of a double agent for the CIA in an Indonesian terrorist organization it will be another award winning performance for sure!. Getting back to reality I think John Pilger could be right obama could turn out to be worse than bush.
ccc771 1 year ago
Michael Moore is the only one I have heard that has spoken the truth about 9/11. A terrorist group attacked us not a country. Everything he said is true. We should not be messing around in other countries affairs which is probably the reason they attacked us in the first place. We should be protecting this country from within this country.
mqldelta 1 year ago
I just got back from my second tour. This video is right in saying it has no value to our security. However it is wrong if it tries to say the country is not better from our presence aka invasion if thats what you hippies wanna call it. On my first tour the country was out of control. On my 2nd tour 2 years later I noticed a huge improvement in the infrastructure. There are no benefits for us in the war in Afghanistan but there are for the Afghans to say other wise is ignorant.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
@CrazyMunky84 Tell it to the dead and crippled soldiers or to the Dead Afghani women and children and civilians you murder. LEAVE THAT COUNTRY BE. They do not want you there and they will FUCKING KILL YOU.
MrMandingus 1 year ago
@MrMandingus Oh I'm sorry I didn't know you were there. I didn't know you saw it all with your own eyes. Oh wait you didn't. You're just another hippie going of what he hears on the news. You don't have the slightest clue about Afghanistan. You only comment on it because you're life is boring so you need to comment on issues to make it seem cool. Civilian I murder? What a stupid comment I never killed a single civilian. Typical anti war hippie comment there. You are stupid.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
@CrazyMunky84 You don't know anything about me or my life or where i have been. In fact you are nothing but a empty headed bag of meat for the United States. Have fun getting your legs blown off for a faceless war that means absolutley nothing.
MrMandingus 1 year ago
@MrMandingus Once again you never said anything factual or logical in your statements. Just hearsay and personal attacks. I do know one thing about you. You are stupid. And your mom doesn't love you because how could anyone love a loser like you. Have a good life stupid.
CrazyMunky84 1 year ago
History repeats itself. If you look at some of the details, this is Vietnam 2.0
Heres an example:
1. On the ground you cannot tell the diffrent between a "good guy" and a "bad guy" which leads in thousand upon thousand of innocent casualties that we kill.
StirItUP1973 1 year ago
Michael Moore is the one person i will disagree with anything he says.
andywclark 1 year ago
@andywclark Agree with you man.
I don't care what this fat ass says he is a piece of crap and should just leave this country since he hates it so much.
MPG350 1 year ago
Pull out of Afghanistan? Does this guy like not think more than 5 minutes into the future? The Afghani security forces are not yet equipped or at the strength necessary to maintain order in the country or stop the Taliban from coming back. Then all of the soldiers will have indeed died for nothing.
Raptor302 1 year ago 2
the soldiers have already died for nothing WE are not Afghanistan they can handle themselves like each an every country not located near or in the middle of the worlds last depleting oil fields the fact that you believe that it matters a flying fuck to the US that afgan security is efficient enough shows the true brain washing going on here the true reason why america is in the middle east is to gain control of resources theres abslutely nothing the US people have to gain from this war
OGdank13 1 year ago
@OGdank13 The Taliban have been pushing back into Afghanistan in recent years and been getting stonger. I know that you and Michael Moore seem to think they died after 2001, but that's not consistant with reality. Also the Afghan army according to the Pentagon report issued in Dec 09 is not prepared to assume security responsibility above the company level.
Raptor302 1 year ago
Also, don't take my word for it. Here was the report featured on the Rachael Maddow show. huffingtonpost. com/2009/12/30/pentagon-report-declares_n_407788.html
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 friend, they are getting stronger as you or I would if we were being occupied un justly by another country they are at no fault to them its defense of the homeland. if you trust the information coming public out of the pentagon you might as well read the commission report for your answers.
OGdank13 1 year ago
@OGdank13 Correction to that, it was prepared by an independent group for military officials for an objective assessment. If you think that we were not justified to go into Afghanistan after 9/11, then you are in the minority. And if you think that we can bring the troops home overnight without the place degenerating into anarchy, then you are unrealistic.
Raptor302 1 year ago
911 was a false flag to justify a ridiculous war the the govt knew the people wouldnt back unless fear was instilled on the mainland. terror levels? do they actually represent any kind of actual data? no. bush and co. used the oldest weapon - FEAR it worked your a prime example because you believe this bullshit they tell you to be facts. its cool though i may be the minority but the opposite of that is the old racist t baggers who think we were better off with Bush hahaha
OGdank13 1 year ago
@OGdank13 Oh, your one of those...a conspiracy theorist who loves to entertain the plot of a massive, multi-agency govt was able to stage the greatest terrorist attack in history, fool everyone and keep everyone in the govt silent, even after changing administrations, about it and the only people who know the truth are random anonymous internet bloggers. Drink some more koolaid.
Raptor302 1 year ago
ya you got all that right good job you have been doing your research ;)
OGdank13 1 year ago
@OGdank13 ya your right we have nothing to gain, except the safety of this country. go tell a soldier they are dying for nothing, and you will get your ass kicked on the spot. We are not at war so Afghanistan can make their own government, we are trying to keep our country safe you fucking retard
andywclark 1 year ago
What's he talking about? Doesn't he know 9/11 was an inside job?!?!?!
MELISSA84008 1 year ago
SO many uninformed!
-U.S realizes how much Oil is in the middle east.
-Needs excuse to go into war to take over land.
-Government creates new ways to mind control.
-They use mind control on group of terrorist and convince them to ram airplanes
into the world trade center.
-Bush seizes the opportunity and waits a while before going to war.
-Boom BOOM big hero. Half the country in ruins.
and that my friends is how it all went down.
funkyhenry 1 year ago
al - CIA - duh
9/11 tragedy is a inside job
9/11 commission is a cover-up
Investigate 9✈✈11
iknewitalready 1 year ago
@iknewitalready
Islam + Nazism = Communism
Communism + Nazism = Islam
Communism + Islam = Nazism
Rocketeer1001 1 year ago
@Rocketeer1001
utter inane comment
iknewitalready 1 year ago
@Rocketeer1001
Christian's are waging holy Wars and exporting SLAVERY around the world.
iknewitalready 1 year ago
@iknewitalready Islam has been declaring war on Christianity since 622 AD my ex-brother and pioneered modern-day terrorism when Muhammad massacred defenseless Jews and Christians. It's slave trade was also TWICE AS LARGE as the Christian slave trade.
Rocketeer1001 1 year ago
No planes hit anything on 911--PSYOP.
JOHN LEAR 911 watch & learn the truth.
074August 1 year ago
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@RKarshenas, The more you talk, the more you display your utter ignorance. LOL!!!
BTW, we are already fighting in Pakistan -- from the air, not on the ground, which would be politically unacceptable to the Pakistan government.
You still haven't answered the essential question. If Pakistan becomes seriously threatened by a takeover from the Taliban and jihadists, and their nuclear weapons are vulnerable what should we do???
goog2k 1 year ago
The 81 combat-related U.S. military casualties in Afghanistan that occurred during the first quarter of this year more than doubled from the 38 U.S. casualties in Afghanistan during the same period in 2009, which was the deadliest year of the eight-year-long war in that country.
I guess this war isn't so bad unless Obama is running it?
KnighttVision 1 year ago
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goog2k 1 year ago
@ promonument, Riiiggghhhtttt!!!! LOL!!!
goog2k 1 year ago
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Basically right now people are fighting only maybe cause they think we are there to occupy their lands and thats quite normal for anybody with a foreign army in their land. And a lot of the so called bad insurgent are the result of casualty anger, poverty all combined.
promonument 1 year ago
Please Mr. Michael Moore stop making opinion about everything since you yourselves does not know How to be a role model for fat people like you. Plus you condoned homosexual activities which is abominable to God.
jsabadojr 1 year ago
"They weren't another country declaring war on us." "We elevated these thugs to the status of being a nation." Smartest statement ever to come out of the mouth of this man. Michael Moore nailed it. Fuck you all who disagrees with him. Whoever supports the war on AFGHANS have blood on their hands. We buttfucked with the taliban during dubya's days and now they're our enemies. Fuck outta here. Bush just wanted oil and money. There was no taliban.
xhollowbankaix 1 year ago
THANK GOD this man isn't in public office
TheWinepusher 1 year ago
@TheWinepusher thank god your not otherwise we'd be in everyones business. Al Quida NOT taliban attacked us. and where are those WMD's again.
Dimber 1 year ago
Yes, we were silly to invade Afghanistan. We should most definitely apologize for retaliating against a country that harbored the murderers responsible for killing thousands of innocent Americans. Michael Moore makes some good points on other topics, but on this issue especially his insanity shows through.
We should definitely get out of AFG, but not until the country is stabilized or else we hand it right back to terrorists.
Permaglo 1 year ago
Michael, you're terrific, and I fully support your positions on Wall Street, health care, and reforming Washington. I was totally against our unjustified aggression in Iraq (see comment below) but strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
goog2k 1 year ago
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Michael Moore eats his own feces. Do you support that too?
YeastyDischarge 1 year ago
@goog2k So you think you know what is best for Afghanistan and America? Why sit around commenting about it, get your self over to Afghanistan and fight the war or go to the White House and help out, don't just be an idealist windbag.
RKarshenas 1 year ago
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
goog2k 1 year ago
@goog2k the taliban were in power before and no problems. there are small groups who want to bring terror on America like Al Quida. not the taliban. we left vietnam and there was no communist take over of the world. stop butting in to other countries problems. as a matter of fact the US aided and trained the taliban against the soviets.
Dimber 1 year ago
@Dimber, you're right, the Taliban never harmed the U.S. but they were harboring Al Queda training camps and sheltering Osama bin Laden.
If we abruptly leave now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
What would we do then???
goog2k 1 year ago
@goog2k
you do realize Taliban and Alciada is a creation of CIA and ISI? Also its fact that taliban asked for proof of al Ciada involvement and we refused to provide. Go look up FBI website Osama is not wanted for 9/11 but for something else, although he is supposedly responsible. The reason the fbi website couldnt accuse him is because we dont have sufficient evidence. Either way taliban wasnt at fault.
promonument 1 year ago
@promonument
"you do realize Taliban and Alciada"
No, they are the creation of Islam.
Rocketeer1001 1 year ago
@Rocketeer1001
u idiot that are creation of CIA.
want proof?
Here this is washingtonposts quote:
"In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation."
washingtonpost. com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22
Stfu asshole if you dont know anything.
promonument 1 year ago
@goog2k If "We" don't stabilize both Afghanistan and Pakistan...? Who is we? Are you the guardian of Afghanistan and Pakistan, like some nanny or parent? How about "We" stabilize the United States of America? Who are you to say what needs to be done in other countries?
RKarshenas 1 year ago
@RKarshenas, you didn't ever try to answer the critical question about Pakistan's nuclear weapons.
Duhh???
goog2k 1 year ago
@goog2k with regards to your "critical question" about Pakistan's nuclear weapons, maybe the United States military should have focused the war effort on Pakistan in the first place if this was about the imminent threat of nuclear attack. You are repeating what you have heard. I don't think you know enough about the situation to say with any certainty what needs to be done.
RKarshenas 1 year ago
@thisawareness Yeah goog put this up on a colbert video earlier:
"Don't Retreat, Instead RELOAD!" -- Sarah Palin
hmmmm guess he's a Sarah Palin fan? :-O
KnighttVision 1 year ago
@RKarshenas, If the Taliban & jihadists take over Pakistan, what do you think will happen to the Pakistani nuclear weapons???
Sorry, you that don't have a clue what you're talking about.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
goog2k 1 year ago
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
goog2k 1 year ago
So you are now saying that the Taliban and/or Al Qaeda is trying to take over Pakistan and use nuclear weapons against the United States? That is pretty ambitious, if not stupid, don't you think? I am saying you talk like some wannabe FOX News pundit.
RKarshenas 1 year ago
@RKarshenas, The more you talk, the more you display your utter ignorance. LOL!!!
BTW, we are already fighting in Pakistan -- from the air, not on the ground, which would be politically unacceptable to the Pakistan government.
You still haven't answered the essential question. If Pakistan becomes seriously threatened by a takeover from the Taliban and jihadists, and their nuclear weapons are vulnerable what should we do???
goog2k 1 year ago
@goog2k You are the ignorant moron who thinks stability comes from bombing campaigns, secret detentions, depleted uranium and dead civilians.
RKarshenas 1 year ago
Goop
Could you do a better rendition than John McCain and sing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Pakistan" " Instead of Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran"?
Thisawareness 1 year ago
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RKarshenas 1 year ago
basically right now people are fighting only maybe cause they think we are there to occupy their lands. And a lot of the so called insurgents basically are the result of casualty anger, poverty all combined.
promonument 1 year ago
@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
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Dimber 1 year ago
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@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
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@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
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@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
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@promonument as a former military officer myself, you hit the nail on the head
Dimber 1 year ago
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Dimber 1 year ago
The Taliban cut poppy - opium - heroin production in Afghanistan by 90 percent as of the year 2001. Now it's back up to record levels. Drugs = cash for elite money laundering scum who run the world. Guns, drugs, oil.
CTV911 1 year ago
you do realize the taliban are buying these newly cultivated fields from the farmers and selling it themselves...
walkertexasranger33 1 year ago
@walkertexasranger33
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
promonument 1 year ago
@walkertexasranger33
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown other than opium and as a result because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
promonument 1 year ago
@promonument no they can still grow wheat it just doesnt yield the same amount of income as opium production does... its the decision between starving for a few days or selling opium and having enough food for your large family. thats their lives.. and Nato might guard the fields but they are still being harvested by the farmers who inturn sell it to the taliban or drug lords. this really isnt a moral thing its a survival. thats why the afghan government stopped burning the fields a while back
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@walkertexasranger33
The main reason for that is there is no other source and nothing can be grown other than opium and as a result because of millions of pounds of bomb dropped by british colonialist, russian colonialist, and now Our coutnry.
promonument 1 year ago
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WTCdemolitions 1 year ago
Try not to miss the point of the video when deciding to comment. Michael Moore has a good, solid message. People are going to ignore or ridicule the message because it is Michael Moore saying it. Furthermore, people like to justify war seemingly on behalf of the United States, but they are just poor losers on YouTube, not military tacticians or top brass.
RKarshenas 1 year ago
If we spent half the money we're spending trying to bomb these people into submission on food, schools, hospitals, and business loans, and making the average Afghani's life better, THEY would defeat the Taliban, and Al Queda would have NO safe haven.
grnbn 1 year ago
Do you think Obama is going to listen to you , idiot. Appeal all you want , they're not leaving.
RobinDropping 1 year ago
President Obama is not in charge of anything Michael Moore. To think he is reveals an ignorance on your part, to the Right-Left Paradigm.
Oishi08 1 year ago
Bush wan't behind 9/11, but he sure knew about it ahead of time and did nothing.
Too much profit to stop it.
IntellectualConcepts 1 year ago
trans afganistan pipeline....thats why our sons are dying there.....all to sad''' google trans afgan pipeline and look where our bases are....we are defending unical...oh and Karzi thier president was pres of unical africa.... all facts
elbarto138 1 year ago
As much as I try to avoid Michael Moore's rhetoric, on this particular piece, he makes a simple & solid point. We really don't have any business in Afghanistan with respect to bringing the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice. Most of them who are still alive are in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. We've had intelligence for years that tells us this. Why are we mucking around trying to overthrow the taliban shadow government? That's not our business. We don't need to be the world's invader.
scbluesman13 1 year ago 5
He is kind of right.. Anyone claiming to be in the Taliban is jus as guilty as the people who actually commited any crimes against the US. I say we jus kill everyone of them we run across.. Fuck asking questions and treating them humain. Jus kill every last one .. Problem solved.
217zenki 1 year ago
end the nazi invasion
superfuzz 1 year ago
Alas, Afghanistan is no longer Bush's war. It is now Obama's war. He refuses to give it up and there is no solid reason to do so. The original lies were Bush's. The stupidity is now Obama's. Sad.
rlwalker2 1 year ago
@rlwalker2 agreed. gitmo still open, both wars still running. he is the 21st centuries biggest let-down
superfuzz 1 year ago
Idiotic sheep went to army-how stupid this sheep can be?
Real terrorists still siting in banks, government and corporations.
eartina 1 year ago 2
when are you people going to stop watching this capitilist
cghgrn123 1 year ago
Most of us are capitalists. lol
rlwalker2 1 year ago
Construction Contracts.
nichtganz 1 year ago
But but but, but what about the TAPI pipeline project and the Chinese gaining access to Turkmen gas????
AbuCihan 1 year ago
Lame.
Is anyone really dumb enough to think Bush had the brains t be behind 9/11?
As for Afganistan if the Taliban wanted us to get Osama they would have helped us find him instead of giving him safe haven.
grazon 1 year ago 2
@grazon lol nice diversion. bush himself did not plan 911 and it's a purile childish argument to project that on other people. he let it happen,. him and cheney gave the nod. anybody believing otherwise is a straight up idiot
superfuzz 1 year ago
oooooooh anyone dares to disagree with you is an idiot.
You're are republican aren't you? only they're this small minded.
grazon 1 year ago
I think infowars really summed up the situation the best.
eyadjamaleddine 1 year ago
@eyadjamaleddine i've never seen infowars summ anything up. i seen them endlessly ramble and confuse and sell lots of dvd's in the confusion. "get out and apologise" is not something infowars would ever say
superfuzz 1 year ago
lol @ the way he said get out.
Scarfaced111 1 year ago
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@MassLiberal, If we abruptly leave Afghanistan now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before. They will also kill their opposition and re-enslave women.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
What would we do then???
goog2k 1 year ago
Get the full picture Michael,911 was an excuse for the war and the oil and natural gas pipeline to be constructed through and with the money from the poppy fields in Afganistan.Obama has the same staff as Bush pushing through this agenda in search of al-CIA-da which is not traveling around the world because they do not exist.You do great work and you are what AMERICA is about or at least what I thought it should be back when I was a kid watching Leave it to Beaver.
SKYBRITE 1 year ago
@gotama420 Sorry. I think I misinterpreted your comment, my bad.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago
Obama has been duped by the military. Can't believe Gen. "Betrayus" actually said what is on this video. Yes, we need to get out of Afghanistan and offer humanitarian and not military aid. However, war makes money. So far, peace does not seem to do the same.
41Doris 1 year ago 3
I had hopes Obama would be the Peace President. Sadly it's not happening.
MrArtudtoo 1 year ago 3
lol. i don't remember America apologizing for any of its action, not for nuclear bombing Japan, not for carpet bombings of Northern Vietnam, not for hundreds thousands killed Iraqis, not for killed serbs, etc. Difficult to imagine US apologizing.
mikkitiny 1 year ago 5
Hard to argue with logic and reason.
iversonmatthew 1 year ago 3
the only way to stop terrorism is to stop participating in it
tommyneumann 1 year ago
@ gotama420, look who's talking about "crazy talk."
LOL!!!!!
goog2k 1 year ago
While I agree on getting out of Afghanistan, Moore is - usual - wildly wrong in his factual assertions. Bin Laden paid the Taliban government of Afghanistan for the right to base himself there, and were part of the 'criminal conspiracy'. Second. we have a history if treating non-state actors as legitimate military targets, not criminals. Piracy is really the best analogy. We don't need to try these animals, we can kill them with spec ops, covert and overt.
glennd7962 1 year ago
@glennd7962
Why not arrest them.
Killing them? Even it means plowing through innocent people who stand in our way?
That makes us no better than "they" are.
You're nuts talking like that.
Dangerman1973 1 year ago
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Pete1987, If we abruptly leave now, the Taliban will immediately take back most of the rural areas and provide the same refuge for Jihadists that they did before.
But most importantly, the Taliban will be able to strengthen their attacks on Pakistan. That would be disastrous, especially if they get their hands on Pakistani nuclear weapons.
What would we do then???
goog2k 1 year ago
Michael, you're terrific, and I fully support your positions on Wall Street, health care, and reforming Washington. I was totally against our unjustified aggression in Iraq (see comment below) but strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
A stable, Al Qaeda free Afghanistan and pacified Taliban is very desirable, and could be vital for Afghani women. However, a stable Pakistan is absolutely essential. If we leave Afghanistan now, there is almost no hope of stabilizing Pakistan.
goog2k 1 year ago
If we don't stabilize both Afghanistan & Pakistan together, we're going to be in some very deep sh*t if the Taliban & crazies take over the region. Then the situation will be exponentially worse -- and could even involve renegade Nukes in the hands of terrorists, or an India-Pakistan nuclear war.
President Obama probably feels the same. We have to work with Karzai which may spell failure, but we've got to try now, or resign ourselves to enormously more dangerous problems later.
goog2k 1 year ago
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MassLiberal1 1 year ago
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Iraq was a travesty and Cheney & Rumsfeld should be charged with war crimes.
Bush caused the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, and displaced 3-4 million Iraqis, many of whom are now living as refugees in Syria & Jordan. How did we help them?
The biggest winners in Iraq were Al Qaeda who grew 10X. and IRAN, whose Shiite friends now control most of Iraq.
We've also had over 4,370 Americans killed and 31,000 wounded. For what? To free Iraqi oil and punish Saddam??
goog2k 1 year ago
Win Michael Moore's sweaty and smelly baseball cap?
YUCK! No thanks.
coolal19 1 year ago
i am liberal and an atheist. but, seriously, fuck Afghanistan and any country that oppresses women and puts gays to death... fuck any county that is a theocracy. Kill em' all. Extreme, yeah, but you can't reason with religious nut jobs.
Vindaven 1 year ago
@Vindaven So shouldn't we then invade North Korea? Burma? Yemen? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Was Iraq justified? Why only Afghanistan? I hate the Taliban too but this war is largely a waste of time, money, and lives. The Afghan people will have to fuck the Islamic fundys themselves; not wait for imperial forces.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago
MassLiberal1: Yes, I think we should (if we could) destroy all of those crazy countries. One thing at a time.
Vindaven 1 year ago
@Vindaven So even though most Iranian people hate their government, you'd try and destory them? Even though most Burmese people hate their gov. you'd destory them? Should we destory America? We have a lot of religious fanatics. Why should America, a nation of Christian fundys, have the right to destroy other nations?
MassLiberal1 1 year ago 7
@MassLiberal1 fuck it, you're right. Mass cleansing. Kill everyone but me and 50 hotties.
Vindaven 1 year ago
Destroy them all... Then end with ourselves? Maybe we should start at the end and call it a day.
raventakayama 1 year ago
@Vindaven "kill em all"...even the women and gays in the very same country you want to blow up?
Just who exactly are you trying to save?
Opiman000 1 year ago
@Opiman000
I agree with MM most of the time. But on this, he is very naive. The Taliban provided safe haven for al Qaeda. When we leave, the Taliban will return worse than before, and so will al Qaeda.
The Iraq War is the problem. Afghanistan is different. It should have been the focus all along. The only thing men like the Taliban understand is brute force. If we dont punish them, it will strengthen them.
taoofmichael 1 year ago
Michael you r so right
braingain1 1 year ago
It's all about the OIL PIPELINE..
minteko 1 year ago
Absolutely wrong and irresponsible to recommend immediate withdrawal.
bigjstokes 1 year ago
Obama wont pull out of Afgan becuse teh military lobby will then want a war somewhere else which could be a lot more dangerous, it's better than expanding NATO winding up nuclear Russia like clinton/ bush did.
Of course campain finance reform would be better again and we wouldnt have to go to un nessasary wars
yearight1970 1 year ago
When the war in Afghanistan ends i wander if they will build that oil pipeline they was planning on doing.
craig260691 1 year ago
Michael Moore leaves out the part that the Taliban had a month to give up Osama bin Laden, that the Taliban could had still been in power if they were expelling al Qaeda. The Taliban are filthy gutter religious fanatics, also thugs.
That is why Moore is wrong here.
robertmike57 1 year ago
@robertmike57
So you trust Hamid Karzai and his corrupt administration, right?
His own brother is a drug lord and some of his parliament has warlords who are just as bad, if not worse, than the Taliban.
Oh, and without the Taliban, Afghanistan is once again a NARCO-state, as it is the world's leading supplier of heroin.
Get real! Better under the Taliban than under a goddamn puppet president who kisses the rear of the US' greedy intentions.
Dangerman1973 1 year ago
@Dangerman1973 Nothing about Karzai allows people to get trained to be suicide bombers of America.
robertmike57 1 year ago
@robertmike57
You're one-sided, you know that?
But what happens the next time you see a heroin addict in your neighborhood? Thanks the "freedom-loving" Karzai and his puppets.
Dangerman1973 1 year ago
The FACTS are that ENRON and UNOCAL met with the Taliban in Houston in 1997 and FAILED to get an agreement for the transAfghan pipeline. Immediate after that the ENRON BOD began discussing REGIME change in Afghanistan but needed to get "their guy" in the WH to make it happen. ENRON's CEO, the convicted felon, Ken Lay, bragged of raising $110 MILLION for BUSH in 2000. The BUSH Afghan war was NEVER about Osama and ALWAYS about the pipeline which is being built right now.
exenrontexas 1 year ago
watch the full version EVERYONE
markadams2000 1 year ago
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synapsecracklepop 1 year ago
Let the opium den go.
That war is becoming a liability.
rwcbanzai 1 year ago
ya....lets get out and let it become a cesspool of vipers and terrorists, just like bush the first did
not a good idea mike.
brabon1 1 year ago
Remember, the Taliban was willing to turn over anybody to the US if they showed evidence of the crime of 9/11. The US instead held the Taliban responsible and thus made the entirety of Afghanistan the enemy. Most of those people cant find the US on a map.
OmarThePug 1 year ago
I agree, but I have to add: most Americans can't find Afghanistan on a map.
SubmarinerAndroid 1 year ago
@OmarThePug LOL! Those ragheads were never going to turn over Osama bin Laden. They were just talking trash,either believing the USA wouldn't invade or the USA couldn't conquer, or just simple nuts. 2001 is not so long ago that you can rewrite history.
robertmike57 1 year ago
Georgey bushy and his lame ducky dicky cheney who sucked his cock for years are the only ones that can bring piece to this nation....
BablyonsKing 1 year ago
how dare you post this bullshit im a lib and lost dear friends in 9/11 and this fat nasty fucktard setting on his fat rolls saying them ppl lost thier lives isnt a big fucking deal fuck you more the hut this makes me sick this time i dont agree with this channle for posting this vid this is too far
TenRoc382k9 1 year ago
Very true. However, its always after the fact that these fat pig experts or fat pig morons, always come out and say what is wrong as if they always knew the answer. Afghanistan is a wasteland and the people are the lowest life forms on the earth. Why don't we do what Israel did and send in some killers to get the job done the right way instead of sending in newly graduated high school kids that are getting their butts blown off.
skyvilla 1 year ago
blah blah blah. if your fooled by old bush politics then f you!
why dont republicans take responsibility for helping bush murder millions and destroying america? clinging to the fact that there are some corrupt dems doesnt justify anything and i wonder how u fukn sleep at night. fuk you republicans pigs!
kargenlewis 1 year ago 2
here is what is funny
we are still in afghanistan, and this government has the balls to tell israel how to run its affairs
hahahahahahaaha
brabon1 1 year ago
Almost everyone in Washington is unfortunately too arrogant to apologize to the people of Afghanistan, besides the US is bent on a policy of murdering Muslims and destabalizing their governments.
besides AIPAC wants more Muslim blood and is already drumming the house and senate for an attack on Iran.
Yemilady 1 year ago
Why does Greenwald support Obama and the democrats so much. Time to wake up and realize that BOTH parties are corrupt and there needs to be a REVOLUTION!
RON PAUL LIBERTARIAN REVOLUTION!!!!
Zwikster 1 year ago