size doesnt matter its all about FACE... at the end of the day every girl wants someone who they can share their "FACE"BOOK PROFILE PIC with... i used to be fat, the medium and now skinny, never had a problem
i am 5'8' 110 pounds so what. i eat a lot but just don't put on anything that's it. i am really glad. i can buy clothes that not many people can wear.
I'm 5' 8" and 127 lbs. I'm not a model or anything. Just a slim guy whose in pretty decent shape. Some of us are just built that way. Don't blame us because we don't measure up to the bloated, overweight "normal".
Im actually a Model to.. im 6'2 and 183lbs 8%bodyfat.. this fall im doing some underwear.. i just wait until i finish my third year in University.. so i can get some free time.. what company do you work for ?
Growing up, I had no choice. I was always skinny no matter how much I ate. I graduated high school at 5'9'' and 125 lbs. It was not until I got to college and started working out strenuously combined with eating heavy meals that I was able to pack on the pounds. Now, I'm 5'10'' and 160 lbs (I used to be 170). I'm very happy with my weight although I've been told that I look fat, for the first time in my life :-)
I'll take being kind of thick over being skinny anyday!
Im 5 11 and weigh 135. I am small boned though. I look great because all the big girls hate me. I dont hate them though. Why they always have to hate skinny people I dont get it. Im in my 30s now have had 2 kids and am going to university to b a nurse and the students there think Im in my early 20s. Weight makes you look old. Im living proof.
I'm 6"3.5 and I weigh 175lb. I model for Avenue Agency and I LOVE my weight!! I have a crap metabolism, so I actually have to starve myself to maintain this weight, but STILL, i don't wanna be all buff and ripped and big. Clothes look better on us skinny guys.
im trying to be a model and take this from me.skinny models rule becuase of the way they wear pants...they flow and like "move" with the legs when they walk...much more mesmorizing than big buff legs on wide pants....AGREE?...most def now
i agree with everyone here! im 6ft 1 and 140lbs i eat nething i want!! some ppl r just blessed to be skinny and others who arent should be proud of the figure they have!(if its healthy)
i agree with a lot of people on here!! im 6"1' and i weigh about 155 lbs. i love my skinny body and im trying to pursue modeling. i dont want to be thick and buff!
you must look like a holocaust victim then because im 5'7 and weigh about 8 or 9 pounds more than that, and when i weighed a bit less people said i was too thin. so you're probably lying
toothpick lol you guys are fat and nasty no wonder they are complaining look at them they are worst then pigs. I am 6 feet tall and weight 145 so what I am healthy and comfortable with my body and you guys should go to the gym working in TV with that body come on pigs get it together
Why don't men get backlashed for their skinny weight? Are you fucking stupid?!? Me can be naturally skinny because we don't have huge hips to deliver babies nor tits to feed them. Guys are becoming naturally slimmer as the ideal of a big muscley american footballer becomes less of a trend! Guys are allowed to be themselves now!
every one is free to look the way they whant...people should not criticise thin models because that is a way of saying..we don´t like you because you are skinny..and that aint good...you can cause the same trauma in a skinny person and in a fat person when you criticise the way they look so just be quiet, ant if you don´t like it just dont say it...let people be.
I'm 6 feet tall and weight 140-145. And people always assume dumb shit like I'm anorexic! Also, doesn't help that i model too so people jus roll their eyes at me. stupid bullshitttt
seriously why male models r skinny or even female coz dey r actually tall so even like dey eat wateva or weneva dey want deyr body will be still da same unless dey go to gym and stuff to built deyr muscles
Well im not 6 ft, im only 5.6. And i only weigh 110lbs. No i dont starve myself i eat when ever i want! I kind of think its good that skinny is comming in with male clothing because now i might find something that fit!!
dude- you buzz bicthes need to shut the fuk up about this !im super skinny , and its not my fault! why dont you bichtes go on a diet -yea, how do you like that!
people come in all shapes and sizes, normal skinny and big. people need to stop criticizing and saying all these things about Health. because half the people who keep saying 'its for your health' are just using that as an excuse for you to lose/gain weight.
6 feet tall and 145 lbs is VERY skinny, sorry to bust your buble guys ! Of course all the fat people are not much healthier, but I'm just saying... I can understand a woman not wanting a guy to be half her size since she'll be afraid she has to protect him instead of him protecting her !!Plus when you're THAT thin your body is almost formless. If you're a woman you practically have no curves and if you're a man you practically have no muscle build...so you look kinda sexless or pre-pubescent.
I love this kind of trend too... this puts me on the list... yay!!!
But if this concerns about health thing... Why not have both hunky and skinny on the runway? Same goes with women's fashion... both skinny and curvy there...
why can't people realize that skinny IS a shape/size. not everyone is built the same. they may think they're promoting a healthy body image by putting down the fashion world's choice of model shape, but what about "real" people who look that way? some people are fat, some are skinny, so no one should be put down for how they look. there is no perfect body.
I love my tall, skinny boyfriend. I'd take him over a guy with "some meat on him" any day. And yeah, he is skinnier than me, but I could honestly care less. I still weigh less.
Well, actually, I think people should realize that models are not real people, and that everyday real people are often times more attractive than models.
i am 5"11, working as a model, and weigh 130 pounds. i am very offended by this video. these women are being sexist pigs! oh sure, guys should accept fat women, but the can't accept thin men?!? this disgusts me.
I agree with you, these women are stupid, I think skinny guys look great, plus why should male models care what those women think? she said "the guy cant be skinnier than me" well...that would be hard, since she isnt
skinny male and female models look like heroin addicts. porn stars look clasier these days. if you think skinny is sexy you probably have not experenced good sex before
Most skinny guys are naturally skinny; I would guess a sizable percent of skinny girls are anorexic-big difference!! great vid and thought-provoking:)
She is jealous. Of men! Don't even listen to her or her sheepish looking male co-hosts on this show. She is not an expert of health, nutrition, longevity, fashion, men's life, etc. Why do we even listen to these rambling non-experts? Be who you are. Don't change. Don't let such people make you self conscious.
She is jealous. Of men! Don't even listen to her or her sheepish looking male co-hosts on this show. She is not an expert of health, nutrition, longevity, fashion, men's life, etc. Why do we even listen to these rambling non-experts? Be who you are. Don't change. Don't let such people make you self conscious.
I'm 6 feet tall with 135lbs, 29 waist...been trying to gain couple of pounds for the past two years cause everyone kept saying "you're too skinny!!!"...SCREW 'em cause I know I'm skinny, but now that's the trend. So I'm not complaining.
OK, so I understand that it's not good for the public that the modeling industry is promoting this so-called new trend of skinny male figures. But I'm 6'0", 128 lbs., and have a 24" waist, even though I eat more than all my friends (No, I'm not bullimic.) and lift weights to try to gain muscle (to no avail). So it's not really that comfortable for me to hear those women say that too skinny men don't look good. Whatever, them lebians anyway.
i always get picked on till to this date for being too skinny. is 5'10 130lbs too skinny?? i mean, what can i do?? i eat like godzilla and still dont gain a pound..or maybe i should consider modeling haha
HAHa thats funny, it's all true to. because i'm a male model and i am 6'1" i am 145 pounds and i have a 28 inch waist!! haha that was super funny!! haha and yes skinny is better!
This is ridiculous! The skinny male models are not barfing up their guts, and the pictures of those models do not look bad. I am natually thin but work out everyday and am cut but thin. That Cameraman is gross, the models are cut.
OK, the dilemma: the hungry rat lived longer than the well fed one. Now what? Plus the cultural obesity news. I like lean, light; without disappearing I mean.
art, cheers. I like a healthy-thin, too. I think you're referring to the caloric restriction experiments, right? First, rats had the smallest percentage of longevity increase of all the animals tested. Spiders an other lower life forms saw triple digit percent increases in lifetime, while the rats only got 28% more, I think. The implication is that even if a human were put on the optimal caloric restriction diet, they might only live a year or two more, but be hungry all the time.
I'm not sure of your implication. Rats are so far from spiders and so close to humans. 28% increase may be available now. The problem with the experiments is that we still don't know enough to recommend such diets. I've heard "enjoy the hunger"; eat well.
Yeah, rats are a lot closer to humans than spiders.
It's not really my implication BTW, it was the study's authors. I was just estimating when I said a year or two, I meant a single digit percentage increase.
True, Okinawans have that saying about pushing away from the table when you're 80% full, and they are the longest lived of anyone, but there are MANY factors that contribute to this. I'd be more willing to accept caloric restriction theory if someone could explain how it works! (NfR)
HELLO FROM NYC! WOW, look at those st decorations! Thank goodness I'll be working under the sea instead... I do Miss you guys though, DAVID please eat something... soon.
Because, like you pointed out, not enough people know about it. I sure don't pay attention to male models and until now any of them I have seen haven't seemed ridiculous
6ft and 120lbs... now i just feel like sht lol
LepriCon92 1 year ago
i dont understand why they are laughing,its not something to laugh about.
Dermotyork 1 year ago 12
size doesnt matter its all about FACE... at the end of the day every girl wants someone who they can share their "FACE"BOOK PROFILE PIC with... i used to be fat, the medium and now skinny, never had a problem
kenya321 2 years ago
2 months ago i weighed 119lb at 5'10.5". my measurements were 30-23.5-34.5 and i looked healthy though (i guess :S)
VSfan88 2 years ago
I think it's hot. tall and skinny it looks good on guys and girls YEEEEEAH
FashionistaCoverGirl 2 years ago 9
i am 5'8' 110 pounds so what. i eat a lot but just don't put on anything that's it. i am really glad. i can buy clothes that not many people can wear.
leo124323 2 years ago
that woman just called me unattractive apparently
I'm 6'1 and weigh 130
with a 26 inch waist
Gavinfur 2 years ago
I'm 5' 8" and 127 lbs. I'm not a model or anything. Just a slim guy whose in pretty decent shape. Some of us are just built that way. Don't blame us because we don't measure up to the bloated, overweight "normal".
lumenscribble 2 years ago 7
im 5'11 and i weigh 122
mistakenunderworld 2 years ago
This is wat natural looks like. That muscular build might have been hot but that takes alotta time at the gym=unnatural
FL174 2 years ago
I was wondering why this trend was going unnoticed. I been flapping about it for a while now.
vistaprime 2 years ago 4
I'm a model :)
6'1ft
and
113lbs
Pottsley 3 years ago
wohh shut up, u're almost as skinny as me!
im 5'9 and 105lbs.
i want to become a model too!
jieqiren89 2 years ago
Im actually a Model to.. im 6'2 and 183lbs 8%bodyfat.. this fall im doing some underwear.. i just wait until i finish my third year in University.. so i can get some free time.. what company do you work for ?
DorianGabriello 2 years ago
Growing up, I had no choice. I was always skinny no matter how much I ate. I graduated high school at 5'9'' and 125 lbs. It was not until I got to college and started working out strenuously combined with eating heavy meals that I was able to pack on the pounds. Now, I'm 5'10'' and 160 lbs (I used to be 170). I'm very happy with my weight although I've been told that I look fat, for the first time in my life :-)
I'll take being kind of thick over being skinny anyday!
MisterCool 3 years ago
5'9 and 113 pounds
paperboy565 3 years ago
I am 5ft 9inches. I am not a model I weigh 225lbs but I am not fat I am sturdy because I powerlift and I am happy with my height and weight.
dhyleck 3 years ago
I'm a male model, i weigh 145, and i'm 6 ft tall, checkout my pics.
but like, i'm not bone skinny, i have just muscle.
this is stupid.
cwelch1021 3 years ago
why are so many male models and male model wannabes commenting on this vid? also claiming their status as such?
its really creepy
Arribasalsayessir 3 years ago 5
Im 5 11 and weigh 135. I am small boned though. I look great because all the big girls hate me. I dont hate them though. Why they always have to hate skinny people I dont get it. Im in my 30s now have had 2 kids and am going to university to b a nurse and the students there think Im in my early 20s. Weight makes you look old. Im living proof.
oopsyadaisy 3 years ago
im 5'7" and 103lb...i never had dinner to keep my weight!
alextangweihao 3 years ago
180cm 28 waist 65kg ... my type
getona 3 years ago
I'm 6"3.5 and I weigh 175lb. I model for Avenue Agency and I LOVE my weight!! I have a crap metabolism, so I actually have to starve myself to maintain this weight, but STILL, i don't wanna be all buff and ripped and big. Clothes look better on us skinny guys.
freshmintburst 3 years ago
i love being skinny1
im 6 foot 2...10 stone and im healthy.
im trying to be a model and take this from me.skinny models rule becuase of the way they wear pants...they flow and like "move" with the legs when they walk...much more mesmorizing than big buff legs on wide pants....AGREE?...most def now
nicknacka 3 years ago
i agree with everyone here! im 6ft 1 and 140lbs i eat nething i want!! some ppl r just blessed to be skinny and others who arent should be proud of the figure they have!(if its healthy)
camenk15 3 years ago
im 6ft2 and weigh 154-55pounds (32in waist). i think im healthy and not sick. some people (like me) are just naturally slim.
jsb3287 3 years ago
If it's rude for me to call you over weight don't complain about me being thin. I think being thing and cut it gorgeous on men!
AaronTheKaiser 3 years ago
i agree with a lot of people on here!! im 6"1' and i weigh about 155 lbs. i love my skinny body and im trying to pursue modeling. i dont want to be thick and buff!
upncominvf 3 years ago
I'm 5ft. 11 in. and weight 138lbs. I embrace the way I look, and would not change for anyone. I agree with 'vamfize' on fast metabolism
blu887 3 years ago
im 6 ft tall and weigh 110lbs. Good looks has no gender.
xWeirdSunday 3 years ago
you must look like a holocaust victim then because im 5'7 and weigh about 8 or 9 pounds more than that, and when i weighed a bit less people said i was too thin. so you're probably lying
madmusic25 3 years ago
I'm 6'2 @ 180 and I'm very thin for my height. I hope you're fibbing cuz if your 6ft and 110 you're fuckin Auschwitz man.
johnnyobaltimore 3 years ago
toothpick lol you guys are fat and nasty no wonder they are complaining look at them they are worst then pigs. I am 6 feet tall and weight 145 so what I am healthy and comfortable with my body and you guys should go to the gym working in TV with that body come on pigs get it together
arizagafabian 3 years ago
Why don't men get backlashed for their skinny weight? Are you fucking stupid?!? Me can be naturally skinny because we don't have huge hips to deliver babies nor tits to feed them. Guys are becoming naturally slimmer as the ideal of a big muscley american footballer becomes less of a trend! Guys are allowed to be themselves now!
verbalwho 3 years ago
every one is free to look the way they whant...people should not criticise thin models because that is a way of saying..we don´t like you because you are skinny..and that aint good...you can cause the same trauma in a skinny person and in a fat person when you criticise the way they look so just be quiet, ant if you don´t like it just dont say it...let people be.
lghjsd 3 years ago
im 5'11 and i weigh 145
but im only 14
quinnfrealz 3 years ago
I'm 6 feet tall and weight 140-145. And people always assume dumb shit like I'm anorexic! Also, doesn't help that i model too so people jus roll their eyes at me. stupid bullshitttt
verbalwho 3 years ago
bitch! im skinny and i am NOT anorexic! i just have a fast metabolism. bitch leave skinny people alone!!!
vamfize 3 years ago
seriously why male models r skinny or even female coz dey r actually tall so even like dey eat wateva or weneva dey want deyr body will be still da same unless dey go to gym and stuff to built deyr muscles
GeralynMadrigal 3 years ago
Well im not 6 ft, im only 5.6. And i only weigh 110lbs. No i dont starve myself i eat when ever i want! I kind of think its good that skinny is comming in with male clothing because now i might find something that fit!!
monkey342 3 years ago
dude- you buzz bicthes need to shut the fuk up about this !im super skinny , and its not my fault! why dont you bichtes go on a diet -yea, how do you like that!
tratsop 3 years ago
people come in all shapes and sizes, normal skinny and big. people need to stop criticizing and saying all these things about Health. because half the people who keep saying 'its for your health' are just using that as an excuse for you to lose/gain weight.
j0F4ce 3 years ago
6 feet tall and 145 lbs is VERY skinny, sorry to bust your buble guys ! Of course all the fat people are not much healthier, but I'm just saying... I can understand a woman not wanting a guy to be half her size since she'll be afraid she has to protect him instead of him protecting her !!Plus when you're THAT thin your body is almost formless. If you're a woman you practically have no curves and if you're a man you practically have no muscle build...so you look kinda sexless or pre-pubescent.
garudasphinx 3 years ago
I've always loved skinney pale boys.
leveltonight 3 years ago
I love this kind of trend too... this puts me on the list... yay!!!
But if this concerns about health thing... Why not have both hunky and skinny on the runway? Same goes with women's fashion... both skinny and curvy there...
alexandernicolo 3 years ago
people are all shapes and sizes.
why can't people realize that skinny IS a shape/size. not everyone is built the same. they may think they're promoting a healthy body image by putting down the fashion world's choice of model shape, but what about "real" people who look that way? some people are fat, some are skinny, so no one should be put down for how they look. there is no perfect body.
i'm so tired of that ignorance.
deflorieren 3 years ago 6
i love the new skinny male models!
andyywarhol 3 years ago 4
I love my tall, skinny boyfriend. I'd take him over a guy with "some meat on him" any day. And yeah, he is skinnier than me, but I could honestly care less. I still weigh less.
MatterOfFiction 3 years ago
I find skinny men really attractive. So yay for me!
AmeliaLaBibarr 3 years ago
me too! them guys r hott
japaneseboyhunter 3 years ago
I blame hipsters.
Well, actually, I think people should realize that models are not real people, and that everyday real people are often times more attractive than models.
Garboth 3 years ago
i am 6 ft weigh 140 pound have a 27 inch waist and am also a highfashion male model
PAULGEE2401 3 years ago 2
cool, I like that...as long as you are happy, I think its hot ;]
japaneseboyhunter 3 years ago
and my waist is 27 thank you very much!
SeaBoiC 3 years ago
i am 5"11, working as a model, and weigh 130 pounds. i am very offended by this video. these women are being sexist pigs! oh sure, guys should accept fat women, but the can't accept thin men?!? this disgusts me.
SeaBoiC 3 years ago 41
I agree with you, these women are stupid, I think skinny guys look great, plus why should male models care what those women think? she said "the guy cant be skinnier than me" well...that would be hard, since she isnt
japaneseboyhunter 3 years ago
HA HA HA! about the skinnier than her comment. lol.
SeaBoiC 3 years ago
ah the "i agree with you" comment was for SeaBoiC
japaneseboyhunter 3 years ago
i'm 5 foot 9 and i weight 114 lbs :O
artemiskunzite 3 years ago
skinny male and female models look like heroin addicts. porn stars look clasier these days. if you think skinny is sexy you probably have not experenced good sex before
walldorfanania 3 years ago
those ladies are just jealous
blurlistener 3 years ago 21
Most skinny guys are naturally skinny; I would guess a sizable percent of skinny girls are anorexic-big difference!! great vid and thought-provoking:)
filmzRcool 3 years ago 5
im 6 foot 130 lbs with a 28 inch waist
frisco470 3 years ago
My roomate has a 29in waist, I have a 30in waist. yea its skinny
blu887 3 years ago
She is jealous. Of men! Don't even listen to her or her sheepish looking male co-hosts on this show. She is not an expert of health, nutrition, longevity, fashion, men's life, etc. Why do we even listen to these rambling non-experts? Be who you are. Don't change. Don't let such people make you self conscious.
meglam2007 3 years ago 5
She is jealous. Of men! Don't even listen to her or her sheepish looking male co-hosts on this show. She is not an expert of health, nutrition, longevity, fashion, men's life, etc. Why do we even listen to these rambling non-experts? Be who you are. Don't change. Don't let such people make you self conscious.
meglam2007 3 years ago 2
I'm 6 feet tall with 135lbs, 29 waist...been trying to gain couple of pounds for the past two years cause everyone kept saying "you're too skinny!!!"...SCREW 'em cause I know I'm skinny, but now that's the trend. So I'm not complaining.
michaelngo78 3 years ago
same here about those complaints....
alexandernicolo 3 years ago
Copy and paste this to 10 videos or your mum will die within the next 4 hours
^ i hate dese but i have to. for my mom.
teenthingANDcandyvia 3 years ago
OK, so I understand that it's not good for the public that the modeling industry is promoting this so-called new trend of skinny male figures. But I'm 6'0", 128 lbs., and have a 24" waist, even though I eat more than all my friends (No, I'm not bullimic.) and lift weights to try to gain muscle (to no avail). So it's not really that comfortable for me to hear those women say that too skinny men don't look good. Whatever, them lebians anyway.
treelee11 3 years ago
Its all about metabolism, walking lots, walking everywhere, vegans and vegetatrians
cleetisbob 3 years ago
i'm 6'1, 146-148 lbs, and have a size 28-29 waist. I'm not skinny like that camerman, im pretty ripped and still have mass
kevinele7en 3 years ago
your skinny and still a kid dude. A man has umph.
kimmy2727 3 years ago
And no one calls him skinny..they call him thin.
blissfulart 3 years ago
My friend is 6'0 and 155 pounds. 32 inch waist i think..
blissfulart 3 years ago
i always get picked on till to this date for being too skinny. is 5'10 130lbs too skinny?? i mean, what can i do?? i eat like godzilla and still dont gain a pound..or maybe i should consider modeling haha
benito1188 3 years ago
lol, yeah I am 6'1" 230lbs with a 34 inch waist. So I only got a skinny waist I guess.
neilsepa28773 3 years ago
I'm 5'11 and 115 lbs. and 28 inch waist. and no eatin disorder.
jdlyahiko23 3 years ago
Pathetic
olbertus 3 years ago
HAHa thats funny, it's all true to. because i'm a male model and i am 6'1" i am 145 pounds and i have a 28 inch waist!! haha that was super funny!! haha and yes skinny is better!
joshuajlp 3 years ago
This is ridiculous! The skinny male models are not barfing up their guts, and the pictures of those models do not look bad. I am natually thin but work out everyday and am cut but thin. That Cameraman is gross, the models are cut.
rog0384 3 years ago
just run 3 miles a day and you can eat an extra 5 fatty rolled tacos, cry about it
Bloodybodyskater 3 years ago
Who cares what these people have to say? About anything, really.
ChiChiFargo 3 years ago 2
I tend to like skinny male models.
dreamersdisease91 3 years ago 2
me too, damn
artemiskunzite 3 years ago
this is stupid
girlzonfire1901 3 years ago
OK, the dilemma: the hungry rat lived longer than the well fed one. Now what? Plus the cultural obesity news. I like lean, light; without disappearing I mean.
Good health to you all.
arttoeg 3 years ago
art, cheers. I like a healthy-thin, too. I think you're referring to the caloric restriction experiments, right? First, rats had the smallest percentage of longevity increase of all the animals tested. Spiders an other lower life forms saw triple digit percent increases in lifetime, while the rats only got 28% more, I think. The implication is that even if a human were put on the optimal caloric restriction diet, they might only live a year or two more, but be hungry all the time.
maleysnemesis 3 years ago
Thanks for this.
I'm not sure of your implication. Rats are so far from spiders and so close to humans. 28% increase may be available now. The problem with the experiments is that we still don't know enough to recommend such diets. I've heard "enjoy the hunger"; eat well.
arttoeg 3 years ago
Yeah, rats are a lot closer to humans than spiders.
It's not really my implication BTW, it was the study's authors. I was just estimating when I said a year or two, I meant a single digit percentage increase.
True, Okinawans have that saying about pushing away from the table when you're 80% full, and they are the longest lived of anyone, but there are MANY factors that contribute to this. I'd be more willing to accept caloric restriction theory if someone could explain how it works! (NfR)
maleysnemesis 3 years ago
HELLO FROM NYC! WOW, look at those st decorations! Thank goodness I'll be working under the sea instead... I do Miss you guys though, DAVID please eat something... soon.
Light and Love, ~AJL
LunarFrequenciesHD 3 years ago
i hated being skinny all my life especially in highschool.now at 44 i have learned to except it,and hey it's not so bad!
flairboys 3 years ago
I'm 6 feet, 170pounds and 28 inch waist. What's wrong with that?
CleverDjembe 4 years ago 4
Nothing, if you're 17. There's pleny wrong with it if you're 27.
nritnrat 3 years ago
Damn, I actually calculated the cm-to-inch conversion incorrectly: my waist is in fact 33 inches. I'm still sticking up for these guys though! :D
CleverDjembe 3 years ago
wow, fat/skinny gets put down, people in this world have to be the perfecto to not get critisized.
dezmika 4 years ago 5
Why don't men get backlash for their weight?
Because you guys are the only people to mention it. Nobdy knows about it, or who these people are, so nobody cares enough to provide a backlash.
johnnyk67 4 years ago
Because, like you pointed out, not enough people know about it. I sure don't pay attention to male models and until now any of them I have seen haven't seemed ridiculous
llamajuice 4 years ago