I think the problem with dragon skin is, although that the bullet can't get through, the soldier will still get hurt because it doesn't spread the force the bullet carries like a plate does.
ok there guy that says the army doesnt use this armor because its made by ppl in prison ur retarded cause everything the army buys as far as clothing is either made by ppl in prison or by some blind ppl but if u was in the army u would know that
LOOK! the reason the U.S army doesn,t use any other armour is because its assembled in U.S prisons for less than minimum wage, Which is slave labour and has been illegal for years according to the UN but America doesnt have to listen to the UN because its just a cover for doing what the fuck they want to any country in the world
@fuzzynostic Slaves don't get paid. Prisoners do get paid though of course not much and they are convicted felons. They gave up their rights the moment they committed those felonies for which they were convicted; therefore, they're not slaves. They're serving their time and accepting their punishment. Should they be allowed to steal, destroy, and murder and then just sit on their asses till their sentences are over? At least those efforts are contributing to our soldiers' safety.
@lysjocksan actually they don't give up all their rights. we can't torture prisoners for fun under the law, we're obligated to try and stop them from getting stabbed ect.
@SaneReviews ...Not really my point, but yeah, we do give them the very fundamental rights to survival and a few that aren't completely necessary to live, but any of those rights can still be taken away if they interfere with a process of discipline and order. My point was though that getting paid to work isn't slavery. Kids are made to clean for free when they get in trouble. Grownups work for very little money when they commit felonies. It's not slavery.
@fuzzynostic I do agree, however, that our soldiers deserve the very best, and if the armor they use now isn't the best then they deserve to be given whatever is despite the cost. Any other decision should be considered unethical, corrupt, and criminal. If dragon skin is proven beyond all doubt to be the very best and our soldiers aren't supplied with it then I hope America will fight such heinous negligence against our troops. Some soldiers feel the weight isn't worth it though.
@fuzzynostic I would like to know where exactly you get your information. You making that statement is like saying Helen Keller would make a great phone sex operator. I think you need to read a lot more.
Defective? But it is classified that conclusion is defective in it safe. I sawed a video of it taking a whole bunch of rife rounds and afterward the 9mm rounds and nothing go thru. The demonstration is not even on a level 5 body armor. That is so stupid. Our troops are not worth the money to protect them. Our current armors sucks, and the dragon skin is defective? Think about them A holes waving the American flag, and say they support our troops with cheap armors. Disgusting.
@Aperson156 The primary complaint made against dragon skin is that the way the armor is designed sometimes the inside plates will occasionally move after being struck, leaving a hole that another round can use to penetrate. Pinnacle claims that their tests never found this problem.
did he just say almost a mile a second? now I'm not an expert on guns, but I'm pretty sure not even 50 cal rifles fire at 3600mph. someone correct me if I'm wrong.
@SaneReviews No... 3600mph is a mile a second patrick... get your facts straight before you try and correct me.
And i didnt even say bullets travel at 3.5k miles a second, so what are you on about? i was simply quoting what the guy said, which is the bullet travelled almost a mile a second.
You two gentlemen that have been arguing over this topic raise some interesting points. Though I'm not sure if questions regarding whether or not it's safe, or if it will stop a 7.62x51mm SLAP round but not 9x19mm or .40 or .45 acp, or even why it has not been accepted by the US military apparatus are the real questions to be asking. I think the ONLY question that would settle the argument would be this.
The Reason its "unsafe for American troops" is because of its shock absorbing/sharing properties (meaning the force of the high vol round is shared throughout all the small plates thus absorbing the impact so it doesn't punch a hole thru the cunt) because its designed for high vol rounds, a simple 9mm low velocity round can punch through it like paper. they aimed too high and thus left weak spots.
@Bliss0Wizzerd I'm no expert on dragon skin... but I'm betting that its not comprised of corn starch... and if it was, I don't know of any gently-pushing projectiles in any caliber smartass! ;) Isn't it some kind of tungsten-titanium alloy? I'm sorry but if it can stop M993 AP 7.62x51mm with a tungsten penetrator and even a 7.62 SLAP round, I don't think a 115 or 230 grain lead-core FMJ is going to be anything but comical! You know nothing about it and are making shit up to sound smart, Grow up!
@Bliss0Wizzerd but he is right, the velocity regime of any relevant round is far above that required to activate shear thickening in any of the systems studied for armor including the silica filled ones. Beyond that the plates in DS alone can stop a 9 mm, most ceramic resistance to penetration doesn't really change until you hit the 2.5 km/s range.
@Bliss0Wizzerd "I'm betting that its NOT comprised of corn starch" is my smartassed way of taking what you said and calling you a dumbass! You are a waste of my bandwidth and my time, go learn what you were pretending to know armchair commanding idiot!
@XHustonProductionsX HA go to school little boy. find something better to do than troll on the internet. Iv Said the fact why its unsafe to use, weather you except it or not is up to you. no mater how much you cry and wine to me, the fact remains that its unsafe to use for this reason. Go to bed
@Bliss0Wizzerd Aside from you being really stupid... I'll overlook that for now oh knowledgeable one, show me ONE instance of level 5 dragon skin which can stop 7.62x51mm SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Piercing) rounds being defeated by a humble 9mm, or .45 auto... .45 auto being one of the easiest projectiles for armor to stop and 7.62 SLAP being a round that will penetrate almost ALL wearable body armor available except for dragon skin.... by your logic a 4.5mm BB gun could pierce DS HAHAHA!!!
@Bliss0Wizzerd and you say that I'm trolling? Look at my comments... all FACT showing how ignorant you are about what you are arguing... look at your comments, incoherent rambling and random insults... whos the troll? ;)
@XHustonProductionsX The fact you continue to have hurt feelings over this matter shows that your an bored little 13 year old boy at home with nothing better to do. go play cod.
wine all you like. no matter how hard you try, the fact remains that dragon skin is unsafe for us troops because it is unable to cope with a wide range of caliber's and is vulnerable in different (not all) situations. Wine some more, iv told you three times. more than enought. this prooves ur a trol
@Bliss0Wizzerd The sad thing is that this '13 year old kid' as I guess I am now knows ten fold more about what their talking about (Ballistic Armor), you seem to lack even common sense, and the HILARIOUS thing is I see 4 stupid videos on your channel and you look like you couldn't be more then 16, look at my channel, you are a waste of youtube's servers and this is my last comment, sad how you can't just accept that your dumb ass was proven wrong and continue to try and argue about it! ;)
@Bliss0Wizzerd nowhere in that article did it say anything about shear thickening materials or low velocity rounds piercing better than higher velocity rounds.
@Bliss0Wizzerd Have you even read the article that your quoting? It says repeated fire from a 7.62x63mm (.30-06) using AP rounds caused a weak spot where a disk wasn't fully covering or slipped... a big slow handgun round would NEVER make it through unless all of the disks were crushed or moved! Like I said... you made shit up and not understanding ballistics AT ALL made a complete FOOL of yourself... I'm done here!
@XHustonProductionsX lol talk about putting a nail in your own coffin, you'd think if someone were gonna quote something they'd have at least read it first.
@XHustonProductionsX How now Brown cow. I don't think you v ever shot a firearm in your life. go play cod. Fool? Me? your the keyboard warrior trying to explain that its not made of corn starch. +1 making you read a long boring article +1 baiting you to continue arguing over corn starch +1 your time and knowledge of cod +1 made you produce 7+ long noobish replies. +7 replies (7points) Result= 1+1+1+7 = Perfect 10/10 Troll= SUCCSESS Go to bed kid over all
Oh wait...there are at least three videos on youtube showing Dragon Skin taking rounds from a 9mm like a champ. Even if what you're saying was true, it would be remedied by simply adding some Kevlar.
What? The Dragon Skin? I don't doubt that. But even if there *was* an issue with this armor overcoming 9mm and other larger, slow moving ammunition, a few layers of kevlar (the same as the original vests introduced in the 80's) would be sufficient to stop it. Just like the military uses ceramic plate in conjunction with kevlar in vests today.
@Bliss0Wizzerd that is not true, it was something with the glue in the system that failed in extream climates if it will stop a fucking AP round no 9mm will even scratch it. use your head.
so forget them if they dont want to supply it... Make it an option out their for soldiers to use.. Right now you can go and find 20+ military grade plate carriers and chest rigs, ect..., that some soldiers are able to get and use instead of their issued items.. just get the items available....Hell other markets could include certain security forces, body gaurds, FBI, CIA, anyone.. I know everyone wants the military budget, but think about getting the "better product" to the people/soldiers..
a .308 @ 1 MILE PER SECOND!!!!! velocities of 5280fps are unheard of in cartridges like this! Even the .220 swift maxes out around 4500 fps 700fps short! Thsi goes to show you cant beleive a word of what the media tells you.
It's not a secret, it's just round titanium plates that overlap each other to absorb the impact and energy of a bullet. You can see at like 1:45 when the plates are sticking out. It's like fish scales but 5 layers of that on top.
@inachu How do you propose holding a liquid in a vest with a hole in it? The fluid will solidify when the bullet strikes and yes, it will stop the round from penetrating, but there will be a hole in the outside of the vest and once the force is gone it will liquify again and will leak out of the hole. Trust me, the plates are ceramic. It's even on the Pinnacle website.
@akzo74 It most certainly is a function of density. That's why armor piercing rounds can go through regular steel plates and not ceramic plates. The bullet is hardened, meaning the atoms are packed tighter together than regular steel, and when coupled with the shape and velocity it will penetrate the steel but not the ceramic. Titanium is not dense at all, that's why it's comparatively light for it's volume.
Density only affects the amount of energy the bullet can hold. The heavier it is, the more energy it will deliver on impact.
For the ceramics, it's irrelevant. You want a very high elastic limit (highest known is diamond). Basically, it will absorb alot of energy before breaking. These ceramics can take a bullet without breaking, because the energy of the bullet never goes over the elastic limit.
@ivanlagrossemoule actually it will and consequently they do break, while elastic limit is generally proportional to strength the real strength of a ceramic is based on the Weibull distribution of internal flaws. These flaws significantly lower it's strength, not mention ceramic period fail under tension and internal compression waves from impact reflect off free surfaces as tensile waves and pull the material apart from the inside.
@ivanlagrossemoule oh well it's just that ceramics fail under brittle fracture, which is determined by the largest critical flaw (internal or surface crack) in the material. The Weibull modulus determines the distribution of these flaws to tell you how isotropic the material is strengthwise. But ultimately a ceramic will fail when the largest crack under loading is loaded to cause catastrophic failure. This load is based on the flaw geometry not the UTS of the material.
@ivanlagrossemoule this means that the strength is really based on how a particular flaw is loaded as opposed to the bonded area of the whole material. Since a large internal crack still has a narrow tip, the loading pressure on that tip will be much higher than on the rest of the material.
@akzo74 Yeah I get what you're saying now. It's the same effect as pulling on each side of piece of paper. If you cut it just slightly it's much easier to tear. The end of the part you cut will take much more pressure and will fail much faster.
I have my material science test in two weeks though, looks like I'm not completely ready. :P It's still damn fascinating !
@ivanlagrossemoule yeah it can be, but it all comes down to energy so if you want to keep going to really get what's going on and why it's best to look at condensed matter physics. Although honestly I like materials engineering better cause it's more practical and requires less math.
@doinworksonnnnn that's not the same as the resistance to the M2 AP required for level IV certification, if you think I'm wrong then I invite you to look through the list of NIJ level IV qualified plates and find one that's non-ceramic.
@SaneReviews not that I could find under NIJ standards, if you look at other countries they might have some thicker or composite metal plates but as for NIJ approved everything level IV and up is ceramic composite.
These vest presumably failed federal testing, while one was able to handle 30+ rounds and NOT suffer catastrophic failure. Something tells me the feds aren't being entirely honest, but then again, when were they ever honest?
@Anonymous52550 take my word for it. If it was hot shit, it would spread throughout USSOCOM community. Those guys don't care about the rules or contracts. The fact that the most elite of the elite choose ceramic plates tells me that there is a reason that DS got denied.
@voxtelnismo Actually it has been used by special forces, in addition to the CIA, Secret Service, SWAT teams, and generals along with their bodyguards. The thing is, the military is highly influenced by the contractors that provide their gear. Pinnacle Armor is just too small of a company to have any influence on the big market, and quite honestly the current suppliers of gear don't take kindly to any sort of competition. It's a monopoly.
Level 5 skin is basically a 50 Caliber going right into the vest barley no harm to the person wearing it. Well..... Actually they fall back because of the high amount of impact.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that Dragon Armor according to the military has failed the extreme temperature and saline solution tests. I personally believe that Dragon Armor is superior to most if not everything out there BUT the military has not allowed it because of what they call failure to pass the simplest of tests. IF it were true and temperature does affect the armor I am sure it could be solved and employed.
this is pretty well known know. dragon skin is the best personal defense body armour out there. theres no question of that. the reason the military doesn't employ it is because of the price. dragonskin is used for VIP's and higher tier personel. this isn't to say a soldier can't purchase dragonskin and swap it for his standard kevlar though. there may be some paper work but it's not unheard of. there are also PMC companies that buy several shipments of dragonskin. as well as other countries.
@HONDASBEST Highly lethal would mean more damage done or more threatening.Regular lethal is something that could be dealt with or not as lethal as highly lethal.
yo i like how the troops say that the armor they were issued is insufficient so when the company was confronted they bypass the armor in question to say that they can make better armor and dont even mention the armor issued and causing death when thats exactly what they are supposed to prevent.open your eyes. these people are no better than a P.O.S lobbiest. "i dont have ta prove im right, i simply just have to prove you wrong." they failed
@damncritics A soldier's funeral is also expensive. This is worth the extra cost. The only reason it is not implemented is because the Military has a contract with a different manufacturer.
This is odd but I have to admit this test is bogus. That is not at all a proper test. The uneven surface of those plates may very well compromise the integrity of its structure if a projectile were fired at a different angle.
While our regular Military does not have Dragon Skin level 5, I would make a bet that the "Tame" FEMA and Ministry of Reich Security Goons ALL have it for when they back the Coup d' Etat that is in the Works. An armor that will stop anything that our troops can normally get will give an edge to the Criminals who want to take over and fear facing the Members of the Military who will not go along with Treason.
I want Dragon Skin man! LOL funny I could buy our sapi plates on Ebay but I can not have top secret body armor that will stop enemy bullets??? I call BullS%^& on this one.
the problem with the dragon skin was transporting from hot to freezing to hot again.. the glue would not hold the scales in place due to extreme climate changes during the flight.
@Riokashinaku Yeah, I think it was 2 or 3 Australian troops that had died per the course of the whole war in Afghanistan, then the Australian government decided to start using armor that was "cheap but just as effective". Since then 11 troops have died in the 9 months they've had the new vests that protect the same against bullets, but are useless against shrapnel and don't properly absorb the impact, shattering bones and leaving welts and bruises
Test with a 50. caliber that it sticks lol
ForceHawk18 1 day ago
WOW IT STOPPED A 7.62X51 FROM M14 THATS WHAT I WANT
77MRVIC 2 days ago
something seems wrong here....
-fails federal testing (not as good as stuff theyre using now then, right?)
-still too good to be made public?
-gov't lying here or something????
erick46590 1 week ago
put it up against a 300 win mag 180gr barnes ttsx or mrx guraente it will punch through
Sbarney37873 1 week ago
Probably just too expensive, i see congress probably just doesn't want to pay for a swap in all their armor.
dark7890 1 week ago
Why wouldn't they put springs at the back of the armor so the force is absorbed through the springs and through our body
jovilim89 1 week ago
I think the problem with dragon skin is, although that the bullet can't get through, the soldier will still get hurt because it doesn't spread the force the bullet carries like a plate does.
JackZeroZ 2 weeks ago
@JackZeroZ getting bruises is still better than getting rounds pentrated into your body! =)
fobgalore 1 week ago
@fobgalore it's not going to be just bruises. try to take a swing from a sledgehammer to the chest. I bet that's how it feels.
JackZeroZ 1 week ago
@JackZeroZ a slegehammer to the chest would kill you outright.
SaneReviews 1 week ago
@SaneReviews and that's why dragonskin is defected
JackZeroZ 1 week ago
ok there guy that says the army doesnt use this armor because its made by ppl in prison ur retarded cause everything the army buys as far as clothing is either made by ppl in prison or by some blind ppl but if u was in the army u would know that
MrMarried223 2 weeks ago
The host got hit Lmfaoooo
Bmxalldaym2552 3 weeks ago
LOOK! the reason the U.S army doesn,t use any other armour is because its assembled in U.S prisons for less than minimum wage, Which is slave labour and has been illegal for years according to the UN but America doesnt have to listen to the UN because its just a cover for doing what the fuck they want to any country in the world
fuzzynostic 3 weeks ago
@fuzzynostic Slaves don't get paid. Prisoners do get paid though of course not much and they are convicted felons. They gave up their rights the moment they committed those felonies for which they were convicted; therefore, they're not slaves. They're serving their time and accepting their punishment. Should they be allowed to steal, destroy, and murder and then just sit on their asses till their sentences are over? At least those efforts are contributing to our soldiers' safety.
lysjocksan 3 weeks ago
@lysjocksan actually they don't give up all their rights. we can't torture prisoners for fun under the law, we're obligated to try and stop them from getting stabbed ect.
SaneReviews 1 week ago
@SaneReviews ...Not really my point, but yeah, we do give them the very fundamental rights to survival and a few that aren't completely necessary to live, but any of those rights can still be taken away if they interfere with a process of discipline and order. My point was though that getting paid to work isn't slavery. Kids are made to clean for free when they get in trouble. Grownups work for very little money when they commit felonies. It's not slavery.
lysjocksan 5 days ago
@lysjocksan yes yes, forgive my pointless contention.
SaneReviews 5 days ago
@fuzzynostic I do agree, however, that our soldiers deserve the very best, and if the armor they use now isn't the best then they deserve to be given whatever is despite the cost. Any other decision should be considered unethical, corrupt, and criminal. If dragon skin is proven beyond all doubt to be the very best and our soldiers aren't supplied with it then I hope America will fight such heinous negligence against our troops. Some soldiers feel the weight isn't worth it though.
lysjocksan 3 weeks ago
@fuzzynostic I would like to know where exactly you get your information. You making that statement is like saying Helen Keller would make a great phone sex operator. I think you need to read a lot more.
JNorvilleIII 3 weeks ago
@JNorvilleIII in all honesty, we don't know if she would.
SaneReviews 1 week ago
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JNorvilleIII 1 week ago
@SaneReviews That is the problem with a lot of people now.
JNorvilleIII 1 week ago
Don't listen to blissowizzard. I just saw a video of two mp9 going full auto at dragon skin. They didn't penetrate for the world.
marineooo5 3 weeks ago
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i did NOT expect tht dude at 0:35 to have such an epic voice lol
KingZob33 4 weeks ago
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KingZob33 4 weeks ago
Defective? But it is classified that conclusion is defective in it safe. I sawed a video of it taking a whole bunch of rife rounds and afterward the 9mm rounds and nothing go thru. The demonstration is not even on a level 5 body armor. That is so stupid. Our troops are not worth the money to protect them. Our current armors sucks, and the dragon skin is defective? Think about them A holes waving the American flag, and say they support our troops with cheap armors. Disgusting.
Standingwithfeast 4 weeks ago
@Aperson156 The primary complaint made against dragon skin is that the way the armor is designed sometimes the inside plates will occasionally move after being struck, leaving a hole that another round can use to penetrate. Pinnacle claims that their tests never found this problem.
Orex1993 4 weeks ago
@Orex1993 I also read this. It was sufficient for 1 (maybe two) shots in the same area.
any more and it would be insufficient at the stopping penetration of a bullet
Bliss0Wizzerd 4 weeks ago
did he just say almost a mile a second? now I'm not an expert on guns, but I'm pretty sure not even 50 cal rifles fire at 3600mph. someone correct me if I'm wrong.
RockSmith92 1 month ago
@RockSmith92 six hundred miles per hour is a mile per second. not three and a half thousand miles per second.
SaneReviews 1 week ago
@SaneReviews No... 3600mph is a mile a second patrick... get your facts straight before you try and correct me.
And i didnt even say bullets travel at 3.5k miles a second, so what are you on about? i was simply quoting what the guy said, which is the bullet travelled almost a mile a second.
RockSmith92 1 week ago
There is a Level V bullet it's a very HOT ROUND how to stop it that is the secret?
CBAsystems 1 month ago
END OFF DISCUSSION!
Conclusion= Dragon skin is "NOT" mad of corn Starch
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
You two gentlemen that have been arguing over this topic raise some interesting points. Though I'm not sure if questions regarding whether or not it's safe, or if it will stop a 7.62x51mm SLAP round but not 9x19mm or .40 or .45 acp, or even why it has not been accepted by the US military apparatus are the real questions to be asking. I think the ONLY question that would settle the argument would be this.
Will it blend?
Harv1RCR 1 month ago 2
@Harv1RCR HAHAHAHA a very good question! LOL
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
but will it stop a barret?
krazor8 1 month ago
The Reason its "unsafe for American troops" is because of its shock absorbing/sharing properties (meaning the force of the high vol round is shared throughout all the small plates thus absorbing the impact so it doesn't punch a hole thru the cunt) because its designed for high vol rounds, a simple 9mm low velocity round can punch through it like paper. they aimed too high and thus left weak spots.
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago 2
@Bliss0Wizzerd where exactly did you hear that?
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 They Explained this themselves years ago when it was first being tested. read it up
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd That makes no sense at all! Anything that can stop a rifle round will stop a handgun round...easily!
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@XHustonProductionsX Ok ill spel it out...
Think of corn starch and water. punch it and have fun with your bruised hand.
gently press your hand into it and enjoy the soft relaxing goo.
get the idea yet?
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd but nothing in dragon skin is non-newtonian.
akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd I'm no expert on dragon skin... but I'm betting that its not comprised of corn starch... and if it was, I don't know of any gently-pushing projectiles in any caliber smartass! ;) Isn't it some kind of tungsten-titanium alloy? I'm sorry but if it can stop M993 AP 7.62x51mm with a tungsten penetrator and even a 7.62 SLAP round, I don't think a 115 or 230 grain lead-core FMJ is going to be anything but comical! You know nothing about it and are making shit up to sound smart, Grow up!
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@XHustonProductionsX The fact you believe its made of corn starch proves to me that your not worth a long reply. Grow up.
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd but he is right, the velocity regime of any relevant round is far above that required to activate shear thickening in any of the systems studied for armor including the silica filled ones. Beyond that the plates in DS alone can stop a 9 mm, most ceramic resistance to penetration doesn't really change until you hit the 2.5 km/s range.
akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd "I'm betting that its NOT comprised of corn starch" is my smartassed way of taking what you said and calling you a dumbass! You are a waste of my bandwidth and my time, go learn what you were pretending to know armchair commanding idiot!
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@XHustonProductionsX HA go to school little boy. find something better to do than troll on the internet. Iv Said the fact why its unsafe to use, weather you except it or not is up to you. no mater how much you cry and wine to me, the fact remains that its unsafe to use for this reason. Go to bed
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd you do realize the plate carrier for the armor is lvl 3A by itself, which means it stops 9mm with or without the Dragon Skin part...
akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd Aside from you being really stupid... I'll overlook that for now oh knowledgeable one, show me ONE instance of level 5 dragon skin which can stop 7.62x51mm SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Piercing) rounds being defeated by a humble 9mm, or .45 auto... .45 auto being one of the easiest projectiles for armor to stop and 7.62 SLAP being a round that will penetrate almost ALL wearable body armor available except for dragon skin.... by your logic a 4.5mm BB gun could pierce DS HAHAHA!!!
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd and you say that I'm trolling? Look at my comments... all FACT showing how ignorant you are about what you are arguing... look at your comments, incoherent rambling and random insults... whos the troll? ;)
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@XHustonProductionsX The fact you continue to have hurt feelings over this matter shows that your an bored little 13 year old boy at home with nothing better to do. go play cod.
wine all you like. no matter how hard you try, the fact remains that dragon skin is unsafe for us troops because it is unable to cope with a wide range of caliber's and is vulnerable in different (not all) situations. Wine some more, iv told you three times. more than enought. this prooves ur a trol
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd The sad thing is that this '13 year old kid' as I guess I am now knows ten fold more about what their talking about (Ballistic Armor), you seem to lack even common sense, and the HILARIOUS thing is I see 4 stupid videos on your channel and you look like you couldn't be more then 16, look at my channel, you are a waste of youtube's servers and this is my last comment, sad how you can't just accept that your dumb ass was proven wrong and continue to try and argue about it! ;)
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago 10
@XHustonProductionsX
defensetech(dot)org/2007/05/18/dragon-skin-vs-army/
your welcome
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd nowhere in that article did it say anything about shear thickening materials or low velocity rounds piercing better than higher velocity rounds.
akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd Have you even read the article that your quoting? It says repeated fire from a 7.62x63mm (.30-06) using AP rounds caused a weak spot where a disk wasn't fully covering or slipped... a big slow handgun round would NEVER make it through unless all of the disks were crushed or moved! Like I said... you made shit up and not understanding ballistics AT ALL made a complete FOOL of yourself... I'm done here!
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago 32
@XHustonProductionsX lol talk about putting a nail in your own coffin, you'd think if someone were gonna quote something they'd have at least read it first.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 One would think... HAHA lol
XHustonProductionsX 1 month ago
@XHustonProductionsX lol = lots of love
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd actually you have 1+1+1+1+7...which equals 11 not 10, you should learn to count.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 Only adding to my enjoyment.
another +1 for me....
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful
SaneReviews 1 week ago
@SaneReviews Dear sir i would say successful troll is VERY successful.
Bliss0Wizzerd 6 days ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd ehh, it got better towards the end, but the first half was very lacking.
SaneReviews 6 days ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd dude.. Your kind of a retard.
TheXeskimo69x 1 week ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd Okay, where's the tests showing these results? Links please.
ccline84 1 month ago
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@ccline84
defensetech(dot)org/2007/05/18/dragon-skin-vs-army/
your welcome
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd
Oh wait...there are at least three videos on youtube showing Dragon Skin taking rounds from a 9mm like a champ. Even if what you're saying was true, it would be remedied by simply adding some Kevlar.
Aperson156 1 month ago
@Aperson156 Apparently it weighs 3 times as much as Kevlar
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Bliss0Wizzerd 1 month ago
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akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd right but it has to be carried in something, the vest that holds DS is rated level IIIa, do you know how armor works?
akzo74 1 month ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd
What? The Dragon Skin? I don't doubt that. But even if there *was* an issue with this armor overcoming 9mm and other larger, slow moving ammunition, a few layers of kevlar (the same as the original vests introduced in the 80's) would be sufficient to stop it. Just like the military uses ceramic plate in conjunction with kevlar in vests today.
Aperson156 4 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd I think you may be mistaken, there are a few videos showing what it can do against 9mm.
KZipKing 4 weeks ago
@KZipKing Still unsafe for troops.
Yea sure. Fine against the one off sniper shot.
But have fun when Some towhead pumps some rounds off in your back.
Bliss0Wizzerd 4 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd hmm, why not putting a light bulletproof vest over the dragon skin ?
sharpiellll 4 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd you are a fucking genius man, why all those experts dont think it before???
pakoloks 3 weeks ago
@sharpiellll Light? Ha
If only it were that simple.
good thinking tho
Bliss0Wizzerd 3 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd that is not true, it was something with the glue in the system that failed in extream climates if it will stop a fucking AP round no 9mm will even scratch it. use your head.
doinworksonnnnn 3 weeks ago
@doinworksonnnnn hmmm? maybe corn starch?
Bliss0Wizzerd 3 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd Then how come the 9mm MP5 in the Future Weapons episode didn't even go through it even with full auto? Dude you're full of shit.
sampsalol 3 weeks ago
@sampsalol Cute. I remember Watching Future Weapons as a kid. good stuff
Bliss0Wizzerd 3 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd What about the test where they shot 30 9mm rounds into the vest with no penetration...?
controlusplease1 2 weeks ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd if it absorbs the impact of high vol rounds then why wouldn't it absorb shock throughout with a low vol round?
D3T4iiN 1 week ago
@Bliss0Wizzerd Go any proof?
ssjrobert 1 week ago
@ssjrobert a bit late boy
Bliss0Wizzerd 1 week ago
so forget them if they dont want to supply it... Make it an option out their for soldiers to use.. Right now you can go and find 20+ military grade plate carriers and chest rigs, ect..., that some soldiers are able to get and use instead of their issued items.. just get the items available....Hell other markets could include certain security forces, body gaurds, FBI, CIA, anyone.. I know everyone wants the military budget, but think about getting the "better product" to the people/soldiers..
dragonwhyr 1 month ago
Why can't we wear full dragon skin lvl 5 armor? Like lets make full helms and complete body armor? Daedric armor is better anyway.
5etherial 1 month ago
why classify it? ever heard of spies?
colossalko 1 month ago
hehe, sexton..
808jayhawk 1 month ago
i have this in skyrim
BENITEZ1231000 1 month ago 29
@BENITEZ1231000 me 2 its works great
crashdummy40 3 weeks ago
even if i were wearing dragon skin i wouldnt be doing a whole lot after getting shot by a M1A lol
techdeckdude4 1 month ago
@MrZman537 trololol soo true +1 for you
tops1028 1 month ago
that is realy usefull when they only protect the half of the normal area :P
MysticGohan127 1 month ago
In their tongue, he is DOVAHSKIIN!
Nix6p 1 month ago
what kind of super sonic .308 can go almost i mile per second this people are full of shit
StewIsBest 1 month ago
a .308 @ 1 MILE PER SECOND!!!!! velocities of 5280fps are unheard of in cartridges like this! Even the .220 swift maxes out around 4500 fps 700fps short! Thsi goes to show you cant beleive a word of what the media tells you.
ghettobraden 1 month ago 3
hey when you guys release the next series of armour you should pick an even dumber name than dragon skin for it cuz that wuld be so cool!
whoawhereaminow 1 month ago
lol Adam Sexton
gearsofwarmad2 1 month ago
@gearsofwarmad2 gay guy's name
KarmerKurtz 1 month ago
Enchanted Dragon Skin +5 with bonus of Paralizys and God Stone Critical +50
NeoAndersonn 1 month ago 2
dragon skin was around in 1833? because your camera was.
jbourne960606 1 month ago
Armour is so good it can cause injuries to the enemy or friend?
faultyservice 1 month ago
It's not a secret, it's just round titanium plates that overlap each other to absorb the impact and energy of a bullet. You can see at like 1:45 when the plates are sticking out. It's like fish scales but 5 layers of that on top.
eatmeaters 1 month ago
@eatmeaters ceramic, not titanium. titanium isn't dense enough to stop an armor piercing round.
GrayHatLinux 1 month ago
@GrayHatLinux
Non nutonian liquid can do that though
inachu 1 month ago
@inachu How do you propose holding a liquid in a vest with a hole in it? The fluid will solidify when the bullet strikes and yes, it will stop the round from penetrating, but there will be a hole in the outside of the vest and once the force is gone it will liquify again and will leak out of the hole. Trust me, the plates are ceramic. It's even on the Pinnacle website.
GrayHatLinux 1 month ago
@GrayHatLinux ugh the ceramic they use is less dense than titanium...penetration isn't a function of density.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 It most certainly is a function of density. That's why armor piercing rounds can go through regular steel plates and not ceramic plates. The bullet is hardened, meaning the atoms are packed tighter together than regular steel, and when coupled with the shape and velocity it will penetrate the steel but not the ceramic. Titanium is not dense at all, that's why it's comparatively light for it's volume.
GrayHatLinux 1 month ago
@GrayHatLinux silicon carbide is 3.2 g/ccm titanium is 4.7 g/ccm steel is between 7.6-8 g/ccm......explain that.
akzo74 1 month ago
@GrayHatLinux You're mixing things up.
Density only affects the amount of energy the bullet can hold. The heavier it is, the more energy it will deliver on impact.
For the ceramics, it's irrelevant. You want a very high elastic limit (highest known is diamond). Basically, it will absorb alot of energy before breaking. These ceramics can take a bullet without breaking, because the energy of the bullet never goes over the elastic limit.
ivanlagrossemoule 1 month ago
@ivanlagrossemoule actually it will and consequently they do break, while elastic limit is generally proportional to strength the real strength of a ceramic is based on the Weibull distribution of internal flaws. These flaws significantly lower it's strength, not mention ceramic period fail under tension and internal compression waves from impact reflect off free surfaces as tensile waves and pull the material apart from the inside.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 Please explain a bit better, english is my second language so it doesn't really help.
ivanlagrossemoule 1 month ago
@ivanlagrossemoule oh well it's just that ceramics fail under brittle fracture, which is determined by the largest critical flaw (internal or surface crack) in the material. The Weibull modulus determines the distribution of these flaws to tell you how isotropic the material is strengthwise. But ultimately a ceramic will fail when the largest crack under loading is loaded to cause catastrophic failure. This load is based on the flaw geometry not the UTS of the material.
akzo74 1 month ago
@ivanlagrossemoule this means that the strength is really based on how a particular flaw is loaded as opposed to the bonded area of the whole material. Since a large internal crack still has a narrow tip, the loading pressure on that tip will be much higher than on the rest of the material.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 Yeah I get what you're saying now. It's the same effect as pulling on each side of piece of paper. If you cut it just slightly it's much easier to tear. The end of the part you cut will take much more pressure and will fail much faster.
I have my material science test in two weeks though, looks like I'm not completely ready. :P It's still damn fascinating !
ivanlagrossemoule 1 month ago
@ivanlagrossemoule well goodluck, it's a fun subject.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 Thank you. Yes, it's very interesting but kind of hard, especially if you want to understand it properly.
ivanlagrossemoule 1 month ago
@ivanlagrossemoule yeah it can be, but it all comes down to energy so if you want to keep going to really get what's going on and why it's best to look at condensed matter physics. Although honestly I like materials engineering better cause it's more practical and requires less math.
akzo74 1 month ago
@akzo74 engineer talk turns me on.
voxtelnismo 1 month ago
@GrayHatLinux Water is a non-compressing fluid. Water is used to cut steel in some industries.
voxtelnismo 1 month ago
@akzo74 Im sure if it was that simple then armor plates would be made of titanium.
KZipKing 4 weeks ago
@KZipKing titanium doesn't stop AP rounds, only ceramic plates are rated to stop level IV threats.
akzo74 4 weeks ago
@akzo74 wrong search 21 AP ak47 rounds titanium plate...
doinworksonnnnn 3 weeks ago
@doinworksonnnnn that's not the same as the resistance to the M2 AP required for level IV certification, if you think I'm wrong then I invite you to look through the list of NIJ level IV qualified plates and find one that's non-ceramic.
akzo74 3 weeks ago
@akzo74 are there any high level steel or titanium plates? I could have sworn there were.
SaneReviews 1 week ago
@SaneReviews not that I could find under NIJ standards, if you look at other countries they might have some thicker or composite metal plates but as for NIJ approved everything level IV and up is ceramic composite.
akzo74 1 week ago
HaHaHa...Sexton
HaZexPhobia 1 month ago
this ma friends its the shit. just come to sinaloa mx and ull see this shit in action.
ANTRAX57R 1 month ago
But will it keep me from taking an arrow to the knee?
chaoshellbound 1 month ago
@chaoshellbound Skyrim jokes are getting old bro..
BkBeater 1 month ago
the government is holding back dragon skin until their other armor supplier contracts is over. Its all about money folks.
tipsy3T 1 month ago
The military doesn't use steel plate armor, they use ceramic over steel plate.
mrthebillman 1 month ago
These vest presumably failed federal testing, while one was able to handle 30+ rounds and NOT suffer catastrophic failure. Something tells me the feds aren't being entirely honest, but then again, when were they ever honest?
Anonymous52550 2 months ago
@Anonymous52550 take my word for it. If it was hot shit, it would spread throughout USSOCOM community. Those guys don't care about the rules or contracts. The fact that the most elite of the elite choose ceramic plates tells me that there is a reason that DS got denied.
voxtelnismo 1 month ago
@voxtelnismo Actually it has been used by special forces, in addition to the CIA, Secret Service, SWAT teams, and generals along with their bodyguards. The thing is, the military is highly influenced by the contractors that provide their gear. Pinnacle Armor is just too small of a company to have any influence on the big market, and quite honestly the current suppliers of gear don't take kindly to any sort of competition. It's a monopoly.
Anonymous52550 1 month ago
Level 5 skin is basically a 50 Caliber going right into the vest barley no harm to the person wearing it. Well..... Actually they fall back because of the high amount of impact.
FulNitro 2 months ago
@FulNitro it cannot stop a .50 cal, Pinnacle states the rounds level V is rated to stop and none of them are .50 cal.
akzo74 2 months ago
@FulNitro And their organs liquefy from impulse.
voxtelnismo 1 month ago
So this is what the juggernauts wear.....
FreeTechTime 2 months ago
I used to use dragon skin, but the I took an arrow to the knee.
ScopedOUT2 2 months ago
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that Dragon Armor according to the military has failed the extreme temperature and saline solution tests. I personally believe that Dragon Armor is superior to most if not everything out there BUT the military has not allowed it because of what they call failure to pass the simplest of tests. IF it were true and temperature does affect the armor I am sure it could be solved and employed.
kuribo1 2 months ago
I bet if this company decided to sell this level 5 dragon skin to China the US Gov would back track and say " Oh wait we'll take it.
MrZman537 2 months ago 25
@MrZman537 In the best tradition of a fair market economy it is actually illegal to offer this "inferior" armor to China.
voxtelnismo 1 month ago
this is pretty well known know. dragon skin is the best personal defense body armour out there. theres no question of that. the reason the military doesn't employ it is because of the price. dragonskin is used for VIP's and higher tier personel. this isn't to say a soldier can't purchase dragonskin and swap it for his standard kevlar though. there may be some paper work but it's not unheard of. there are also PMC companies that buy several shipments of dragonskin. as well as other countries.
KILLERThreeSixNine 2 months ago
@ 1:37 can someone tell me what the difference is between "Highly lethal" and "Regular lethal" ???
HONDASBEST 2 months ago
@HONDASBEST Highly lethal would mean more damage done or more threatening.Regular lethal is something that could be dealt with or not as lethal as highly lethal.
TheHomestuck 2 months ago
@HONDASBEST in this case, they probably mean a hot loaded 7.62 by 51
knifemakejake 2 months ago
yo i like how the troops say that the armor they were issued is insufficient so when the company was confronted they bypass the armor in question to say that they can make better armor and dont even mention the armor issued and causing death when thats exactly what they are supposed to prevent.open your eyes. these people are no better than a P.O.S lobbiest. "i dont have ta prove im right, i simply just have to prove you wrong." they failed
tripdizzle1 2 months ago
It's just too expensive, simple as that.
damncritics 2 months ago
@damncritics A soldier's funeral is also expensive. This is worth the extra cost. The only reason it is not implemented is because the Military has a contract with a different manufacturer.
kazarkas 2 months ago
This is odd but I have to admit this test is bogus. That is not at all a proper test. The uneven surface of those plates may very well compromise the integrity of its structure if a projectile were fired at a different angle.
USFISTER 2 months ago
the pinnacle armor level 5 protection surface seems very small. if the bullet hit one inch too much on the right it would have hit the Heart.
xenomorphelv426 2 months ago
its obvious that the gov. wants you to think that they are banning dragon skin. there keeping it top secret. thats what i would do
theunknown117 2 months ago
Why do i get the feeling dragon skin with it layers of plating is ungodly hot when wearing it.
TheSolitaryTraveller 2 months ago
While our regular Military does not have Dragon Skin level 5, I would make a bet that the "Tame" FEMA and Ministry of Reich Security Goons ALL have it for when they back the Coup d' Etat that is in the Works. An armor that will stop anything that our troops can normally get will give an edge to the Criminals who want to take over and fear facing the Members of the Military who will not go along with Treason.
JagdtygerII 2 months ago
Great, when do they come out with DS Level 5 condoms
Iriatv 2 months ago 43
@Iriatv Scaled for her pleasure.
tobitadagon 1 month ago
@Iriatv this is the best comment ive read in youtube
houshidar558 1 month ago
@Iriatv youll still get burned.... its the skin from a dragon
slopothacrop 1 month ago
@MrLollerka you forgot something, terrorists don't know how to aim.
tops1028 2 months ago
@tops1028 its better off getting IED armor. hahah
marktse 2 months ago
I want Dragon Skin man! LOL funny I could buy our sapi plates on Ebay but I can not have top secret body armor that will stop enemy bullets??? I call BullS%^& on this one.
Jaydakaskittle 2 months ago
the problem with the dragon skin was transporting from hot to freezing to hot again.. the glue would not hold the scales in place due to extreme climate changes during the flight.
JWnFL 2 months ago
@JWnFL they had fixed the glue problem years ago but the military doesn't care.
marktse 2 months ago
@Riokashinaku Yeah, I think it was 2 or 3 Australian troops that had died per the course of the whole war in Afghanistan, then the Australian government decided to start using armor that was "cheap but just as effective". Since then 11 troops have died in the 9 months they've had the new vests that protect the same against bullets, but are useless against shrapnel and don't properly absorb the impact, shattering bones and leaving welts and bruises
JesseTiko 2 months ago
Good thing I have 30 of those is Skyrim......
D4N13Lv4 2 months ago
whats not safe about it? i saw a video, 2 guys with 3 guns shooting at about 15ft away.
both had an:
ak47 with 2 mags
mp5 with 3 mags
and
an m9 beretta with 2 mags. every bullet entered the armor, when they checked the back side, not a single bullet got through!
evanatromitoszarsaz 2 months ago