Good stoppage when you think of it. There was no way Cooper was going to win this fight. His punches were having zero effect on George, who was controlling the fight. That body blow in the first round just about knocked Bert down and I don't think he ever really recovered from it. If you watch it again, George didn't even put all his power behind it. Scary thought.
The idiots in the crowd booing should line up to take one body blow from George, then let's see how they feel about the fight.
There can't be many heavyweights in history who hit harder than Foreman. Look at the size of the man's arms, shoulders, chest and legs! He's fucking massive!
Always liked Cooper. Tough, hard punching slugger. I have to admit, I was surprised at how easily grandpa Foreman walked him down. Looked like a man fighting a teenage boy. Gotta give Big George his props, esp that body punching. Ouch! To hell with the crowd. They didn't have to take those gut-busting belly shots!
This is my point. Fighters that didnt run, werent intimidated, and had a jab put tyson down for the count. Douglas..Holyfield...Lewis. Foreman would be in that same category. Again I ask, who were the great fighters Mike faced? Holmes? Spinks? Ruddock? come on. all fighters know that they have difficulty with certain styles. Jabbers, sluggers, counter punchers, ...and thats the beauty of boxing. For Tyson, he had trouble against fighters who threw punches back at him.
No, Holyfield didn't stand in there with Tyson, he just held, held, held, leaned in with the head, hold then hit was his strategy, his holding is ridiculous, Holyfield makes for some boring fights, steroids.
@SpinksJinx Holyfield boring? You know nothing about boxing bitch, wtf, did you watch his three fights with Riddick Bowe, his two fights with Qawi, or all his fights in his prime at 190 and up.
Douglas wasnt a fluke. He was simply the first guy to fire back at Mike. Holyfield knew this as well and stood in there. And Lewis. Foreman would have pummeled Mike in the same fashion. Who di Mike ever beat? Carl the truth? Razor Ruddock? Give me a break.
@abbaddontd1 Tyson trained and fought differently in 87 to 88.He shot off his combinations much better and much more accurate then after 1988 where tyson became a one punch stationary fighter.tyson would walk thru this foreman.foreman would be ko'd by the classic tyson.Too fast,too much power coming in too fast before foreman would get off.Just look at this fight,tyson would already be banging slow robotic foreman like a rapid fire machine.
@fadethetrade " Tyson trained and fought differently in 87 to 88.He shot off his combinations much better and much more accurate" fergison,greene,smith,tucker ........nuff said
@abbaddontd1 Tyson walked thru ruddocks left uppercut smashes so with a mindset tyson to win and train correctly,he would overcome the second coming of foerman.he would be able to handle the foreman shots enough to get his short left combinations in on a very very easy target in statue george.
@fadethetrade I will never understand you tyson lovers. The spectacle that was Tyson was one of a kind...the proverbial good vs evil was staged for each fight and was part of the 'mystique'. Looking beyond that, theres nothing there. First fight with Razor (premature stoppage), second a decision. Not exactly walked through. And how come the stars have to align in any conversation about Mike (IF he trained correctly....IF he had had the right mindset). Not exactly great if theres caveats.
@fadethetrade However....Big Buster's uppercut proved fatal...Buster owned him.....That is provable and do not give me this shit about prime BVuster would have destroyed him at any point in his career...Buster knew HOW to beat his ass period...
@djk28161 YOu don't understand and most mental midgets on youtube who dont understand tysons 3 careers. Douglas won very simply of two reasons,one was tysons technique didnt slip douglas jab and the douglas jab set up EVERYTHING ELSE in that fight. Tyson stood outside,got knocked down twice in sparring for douglas for only 2 weeks of training and was knocked down by ancient greg page and in late 1987 tyson made Oliver Mccall Quit withy body shots in sparring.#2 bad corner didnt get him up.
Imo, this is how tyson vs foreman would go down. I believe Tyson would outbox george until george finally caught him with a knockout blow in, lets say, the mid to late rounds.
@kingzula Only because he thought he was SHOT after losing title to Moorer and being koed by Bowe . You have one thing right Foreman did'nt want to risk the title he won because he wanted a 100 million dollar showdown with Tyson split 50-50 and then retire . Foreman was the linear champ the rightful champ till robbed against Briggs in 97 but never got Tyson ? He would of faced Lewis next but instead it was Briggs who got him .Foreman trained for Holmes in 99 but the promoter did'nt get the money
@kingzula Tyson instead fights Carl THE LIAR williams who also ducked Foreman and a 42-1 underdog . Tyson did'nt want any part of Foreman after June 16th 1990 when he faced top contender Adilson Rodrigues . Foreman was the one to get the title shot first against Holyfield because Tyson would'nt fight him ? Tyson was supposed to fight Holyfield after Foreman but pulled out on a rib injury and was replaced by Bert Cooper ? Tyson did'nt want prime Holyfield either but old Holyfield YES
@kingzula It would'nt matter what Cooper was on or not , same result anyway with his come forward swarming style .The only reason he lasted longer is because he ran around which he never does . Qawi went 15 rds with Holyfield ? Even an old Holyfield bullied Tyson not once but twice Qawi did better then Tyson ? In 1989 you saw the video Why would Foreman say Tyson is the one being offered 20 million he's saying NO .The champion of the world is DUCKING George Foreman thats the REALITY make sence ?
@kingzula Jab his way in lol ? Foreman would of decapated Cooper with his uppercut Foreman had one of the best jabs ever with a 82 inch reach .Moorer koed Cooper also and Foreman koed Moorer whats your point ? Tyson always DUCKED Foreman ? Tyson was offered 20 million in 1989 to fight Foreman for title and said NO ? What happened on June 16th 1990 Tyson Tillman Foreman Rodrigues why did'nt they fight next ? What happened when Foreman won back title and Tyson was offered 50 million to fight ???
@pfitzger2e1 like i said cooper tested positive for cocaine in this fight he quit in this fight and don king offerd foreman a fight before douglas and he said no he wasnt ready.and foreman was being dominated by moorer before he got ko'd . when foremen fought away past his prime dwight Mohamed qwiwi he had all sort of trouble and he was only 5'6 and was a blown up cruiserweight . and foreman went on to fight holyfield .king once again offerd foreman a fight but tyson wasnt the champion and
@kingzula forman wanted a shot at the title and fought holyfield. holyfield would not give tyson a shot until he fought foreman because they figured foreman was an easier fight. then tyson as you know went to prison. and after foreman won the title he gave it up cause he did not want to loose while waiting for tyson.and by the way the way he was offerd 25mill to fight foreman right after he got out of prison the same he got for mcneely . tyson would have been a fool to fight foreman as a first
@kingzula Thats the only way to fight Foreman and do good ? Stay on the outside and jab , basically RUN . Anyone who would be stupid enough to bring the fight to Foreman and slug it out would simply crumble . Foreman is to strong , thats why Tyson avoided a fight with Foreman for years ? Just like Foreman chanted to the crowd after his fight with Cooper . WE WANT TYSON !!! WE WANT TYSON !!! WE WANT TYSON !!!
@pfitzger2e1 its not the way cooper should have fought foreman .he should have jab his way in and then tie him up . cooper was on cocaine for this fight .he was clearly scared and paranoid he had no game plan.tyson did not duck forman but foreman did duck alot of fighters during the comeback. thats why he gave up the title. and everybody wanted tyson at the time he was the money tree
cooper is fighting all wrong he is clearly fighting on the outside trying too jab and stay away i dont no why people keep comparing this fight with a fight with tyson
I said it in the late 80s when Foreman started his comeback, and I'll say it now: Mike Tyson was perfect cannon fodder for Big George. This fight and the Frazier's are previews of what would've happened to Tyson. As far as the guy who keeps talking about the Foreman not fighting anyone with power, that's BS. Yeah, Lyle knocked him down, but UNLIKE Tyson (as good as he was), George showed he could get up AND WIN! People talk about George being slow; I'm sure Bert Cooper didn't think so. LOL!
Foreman's punches are like Mule kicks and don't you forget that Tyson fans. Y'all have the luxury to say Tyson would beat him because they did not fight. That makes it easy for you to be brash. True fans know better....
"He was bigger and stronger than me. And I accept that."
Frazier's style prevented him from being a fast starter.It took joe about 4 rounds to get in gear but he could go 30 rounds.Tysons style was more of a first 3 round meteorite launching and this is the only way a fighter,other then a pure self preservasion fighter,could beat foreman. Lyle was not a great finisher in his career,Despite experts derogatory comments on the post rooney tyson,you cant dismiss the fact that tyson was a great finisher and thats the edge he would have needed
Actually foreman NEVER faces a puncher like tyson since Lyle and we all know what lyle did to him and should have finished george.Lyle was a notoriously poor finisher as bert cooper was against holyfield.Tyson was the best finisher in the business!!Had the tyson of early 1988 have george and holyfield in the state they were in on queer street against lyle and cooper.,tyson would have ko'd both in the same fashion as he did to larry holmes.
@fadethetrade I am not sure why you posted so many times. Honestly, it's really difficult to have healthy debate with Tyson fans becasue they are so obsessed with the 1988 version of Tyson. It's like a double rainbow or OCD disorder with you folks. Tyson was a GREAT fighter. He might have beaten Foreman. But why didn't the fight happen? Seriously... why? Why pass on that kind of pay dirt? Did Cus D and Don King know something? Such as what happened to Frazier.
@TonyHawkLookalike I can discuss without so many posts.sorry.It's just that so many fight fans tyson bashers love to say douglas exposed tyson's weaknesses.every fight had weaknesses ,I maintain fighting tyson at 50% of what he was in early 88 doesn;t mean he was exposed and overrated,Douglas jab was the reason he won that fight,not his mother in heaven,not because he was in great shape,it was because tyson wasnt prepared to slip his jab and nullify douglas with his own jab,
@TonyHawkLookalike Tyson would have ko'd douglas and holyfield the night he first ko;d ruddock in 1991.Even though giachetti couldnt get back the old tyson ,only atlas and rooney knew what technique tyson needed to condition and train with.He became a head hunter after 1988 in ALL his fights.He stopped combinaion punching,stopped the quick jab that oujabbed other jabbers tucker,holmes,biggs etcetc.
@fadethetrade Okay, we get it. You like Tyson. Fine, he was a great fighter and yes especially so in the late 80s when he was on top of his game. But I don't really see Tyson doing much damage to Foreman (ESPECIALLY the older Foreman) because of the way George stalks fighters to keep them in front, and because of the way Tyson falls prey by "standing in front" and low. And since they never did fight we may consider other factors like higher KO percentage which again favors Big George.
@TonyHawkLookalike DId you receive my list on tyson of 86-88 and compare it to tyson of 89-91?????????
Then Im sure you can say the 86-88 yson was multi levels beter then 89-91 tyson. Yes foreman of 73-75 might have ko'd any year tyson but not blubber george of 90-95
@TonyHawkLookalike George stalked fighters like no other.Even Cus Damato told tyson the early 70's foreman could beat any swarming style fighter(tyson,frazier,marciano,dempsey) in history but I have a problem picking george of the 90's against the prime deadly tyson of the 86-88 period.That I have a problem giving george the edge.Tyson in that period would land 4 shots to foremans one shot,tyson walked thru every ruddock left uppercut smash and foreman was hurt by holyfield.
@TonyHawkLookalike And if you watch the cooper and qawi fights with foreman,you can invision the 1988 tyson totally barraging foreman into the canvas with lightning punches and tyson wpouldnt have any problem landing almost any combination on the robot 90's foreman.The question is how would foreman react to this deadly combinations on him.Foreman had the edge when his "shoving" tactics worked when he could push his opponents into his right hand punching range.Tyson would watch for that.
@fadethetrade Let me get in on this. How would George react to Tyson? He would've pushed him off first just like he did in the first Frazier figh. Secondly, people tend to forget that the OLDER George had a pretty strong defense. When he crossed his arms, you couldn't get to his chin--which was good to begin with--with a wrecking ball. He did it in this fight, and I would say his fight with Cooney (a "pretty good" puncher as I recall) was the perfect display of that tactic.
@Odawg96 TYson of early 88ish would have worked diligently with rooney and lott to devise a strategy to survive that approach..It would nt be too hard to know exactly what slower foreman would have done.Don't forget,tyson at close range with men who had stationary targets, were minced up with tysons 5 punch "all landing" combinations he stopped using after 1988.The crafty boxers were the problem for tyson not the slower stationary guys.Tyson goes right up thru foremans cross arm defense
@fadethetrade Rooney's version of Tyson was awesome. Still, though, I don't see him running in and overwhelming Foreman for a KO. A decision? Maybe. Tyson was able to get to stationary Big Men who didn't necessarily ENGAGE him. Foreman was NEVER one to fight backing up or moving laterally. He always stood his ground and stalked his opponent. And we both know that Tyson's biggest weakness was a talented fighter who stood up to him and actually had the nerve to throw punches at.him.
@fadethetrade Never faced a puncher? Foreman faced Frazier. Ever heard of him? Tyson is almost a replica of Frazier. Simply replace an insane left hook with an insane right upper cut. Your assessment is a pure gamble. You are assuming Tyson would do damage to George early in the fight, because that is Tyson's modus operendi. He is useless late in a fight. You forgot, that no one (not a single soul) ever hurt George in the early rounds.
@kingzula Are you kidding??? You think a Foreman fan never watched the Lyle fight? It's one of the greatest slugfests ever. It was a critical moment for George, he got up and kept fighting and WON the fight. Against Ali he got knocked down and just stayed down and vowed that would never happen again. Tyson proponents think that Lyle's ability to hurt George in the middle rounds (with 8 ounce gloves of course) is a factor in thinking Tyson would have a chance. Maybe... but probably not.
@TonyHawkLookalike jimmy young one of the lightest hitting heavyweights of all time also knocked down foreman . and yes the 20something foreman showed some heart against a past his prime lyle but he lost to jimmy young after that. and lyle hurt foreman in the early rds and could not finish him.tyson certainly had ron lyle power and was a good finisher . let me ask you this does the 40something foreman beat the prime foreman?
@kingzula Great point about Jimmy Young. Yes, I will use that to illustrate my point that George, at any age, would do to Tyson what he did to poor Frazier. Big George struggled notably in two fights: Ali and Young. What kind of fighters are they? Quick, evasive, counterpunchers. Tyson does not match that profile. Tyson is much closer to Frazier's profile- coming in low and aggressive. Tyson's people (Dmato, Rooney, Atlas, etc.) warned Tyson about this matchup problem with Foreman.
@TonyHawkLookalike the young george foreman was defiantly a match for a young mike tyson. if they met on their best days i not sure who would win. in my opinion it would be a better version of the foreman- lyle .
but do you really believe that the old foreman was better than the prime foreman..and yes he did destroy Frazier but Frazier never recovered from that big crunching right that he landed .and frazier also took foreman lightly, he was actually the favorite coming into the fight.
@TonyHawkLookalike but as much as the second coming of foreman was a commercial success .in the ring he was not that impressive. he had a few moments against holyfield but still lost convincingly ,he was losing every minute of every round to moorer before the ko.and even alex stewert dominated him after the second round. tell me what fight in the comeback makes you feel he would beat a prime tyson
@kingzula You are criticizing the old Foreman? What part of "Regained Belt" don't you understand? He was slower and heavier but smarter. He picked his spots. He didn't even sit down on a stool for christsakes that's how confident he was. Since they never did fight we don't know. But the numbers (KO %) and style matchup favor Big George. Not taking anything away from Tyson, he was truly great... but the Lewis fight showed why Tyson made a good decision to pass on Forman.
@TonyHawkLookalike also ali was not evasive against foreman .he hit ali was with all he had ali just took it and fired back. and in my opinion young did beat and old out of shape way past his prime ali,but do you feel young would do that to a prime ali. thats my point you cannot come pair what a young hungry in his prime foreman did to frazier , to a 40something foreman fighting a young prime tyson
@TonyHawkLookalike Tyso was fast evaisve and a great counter puncher dude. George Foreman had a good chin but nothing exceptional. I dont think he could take much of Tysons power. In fact im almost positive Tyson would win despite what people say. The announcers that said that Tyson was made for Foreman were heavily critized by other experts and said that basically they were made for eachother. On the flip side George can easily knockout Tyson.
@TheArkham13asylum "nothing exceptional"--have you looked at the guy's record on Wikipedia? Never KOed except Ali--retained enough power to become heavyweight champion at 46--he's the definition of "exceptional." Post-comeback he only lost by decision. He destroyed guys within 1 or 2 rounds, just like Tyson, only with a different style--a style Tyson feared, after he lost to Buster Douglas. Prime Tyson might win against old George, but he himself probably only gave himself 2-1 odds--"scary."
@opinioninflicting dont play stupid i was talking about the guys chin i have no idea what that has to do with everything you said in your paragraph. and just how do you know Tyson feared his style? Foreman didnt fight like Buster fought that night and he left himself open to counters or combos. Specially the way Big George blocked himself was perfect for the hook-to-the-body-then-uppercut from Tyson. Whatever anyone wants to say Tyson certainly had the style and tools to beat George Foreman.
@TheArkham13asylum Google "why we never saw tyson-foreman"--sounds reasonable--Tyson was freaked out and scared after the Douglas fight--he just got KOed by a nobody, why wouldn't he be wary?--one loss to an old man would have ended his career, even if he expected a win *probably*--and the story about Cus and the Frazier fight sounds reasonable. And guess what: Tyson was right, he knew more about boxing than any "critic"--Foreman WAS dangerous enough to KO an undefeated 26 year old champion.
@opinioninflicting don king offered foreman a fight with tyson before he fought douglas but he turned it down . he said he wasnt ready. after tyson lost to douglas tyson was more interested in fighting a rematch with douglas. douglas would not fight tyson instead he fought holyfield.he figured if he beat tyson he could beat holyfield easier. if douglas had beat holyfield he had a signed contract to fight foreman.he was trying to make as much money as he could before a rematch with tyson.
@opinioninflicting but when holyfield beat douglas he to had a signed contract with foreman.when holyfield tyson was finally set we all know tyson went to prison.when tyson got out of prison foreman had already givin up his title and was not champion.foreman lobbied hard for tyson to fight him right out of prison but tyson who hadnt trained or sparred in almost 4 yrs and was probably mentally drained from being in prison for a crime he felt he was innocent of smartly took a soft touch in
@opinioninflicting mcneely for 30mill. it was circumstances why they never met . maybe if foreman never gave up his title because he did not want to loose before tyson got out of prison they may have finally fought.
@kingzula Old George got lucky with Moorer, but he still looks like an animal in 1990--look at Foreman/adilson rodrigues, 2 rounds, on the undercard of Tyson/Tillman (the night they could have fought, if Don King had his way.) Tyson was scared, only gave himself 2-1 or 3-1 odds against Foreman, as opposed to much better odds against McNeeley or Tillman. A trained Foreman could have killed Larry Holmes in 1981, for sure--or 82 or 83.
@opinioninflicting rodriques was ko'd by one shot by holyfield in the 2nd round by holyfield in his fight before foreman that why goerge pick him .and goerge had a contract to fight the douglas hoyfield winner.tyson went on to fight ruddock who most people thought was much more of risk to tyson than foreman.
@kingzula Agree it was mostly "circumstances" (Tyson's momentary fear came from losing to Douglas)--if he'd continued dominating and re-won the title, he'd have probably fought George and probably won by KO.
@kingzula Go Google "why we never saw tyson-foreman"--of course Tyson wanted a rematch with Douglas, but he could have fought Foreman instead of Tillman that night--then Tyson fought Alex Stewart and others before prison. A Foreman fight would have been the biggest purse for all involved. I don't agree with the guy in the article that "Foreman would have KOed Tyson"--I think Tyson would have won, but Tyson WAS scared--scared a loss to Foreman fight would end his career-scared George might do it.
@opinioninflicting foreman already had contract to fight the winner of holyfield douglas. he wanted two win the title. if he had he would have been the boss and commanded the lion share of the purse with tyson
@opinioninflicting also on larry holmes i have heard stories(though i cant prove it) that foreman was thinking about making a comeback in early 80"S but decided against it because he felt he could not beat holmes. also foreman publicly said during his comeback that holmes was the only person that could outsmart him in the ring.
@opinioninflicting look your right about Foremans power chin and heart but look at this in a pure boxing point of view. Tyson had speed power elusiveness nice footwork (which he shouldve used more often imo) he DID infact have a very solid chin he never got wobbled or KO'd with one shot. Tyson has too many weapons. we all know the Douglas fight was pure luck super inspired Buster vs undertrained Mike. you really think Mike wouldve lost a rematch? if he was that scarred he wouldve quit fighting.
@TheArkham13asylum Both were hard punchers... 51 KOs for Tyson and 69 for Foreman. At the end of the day though you have to look at mechanics and style. The guys who were successful against foreman had a strategy... Ali played the ropes and forced George to exhaust himself. Young ducked and dodged his way to a decision. The shorter Tyson is coming right for George which plays into his hands (fists) perfectly. George just didn't beat Frazier, he destroyed him. Seriously, DESTROYED.
@kingzula Also... on the subject of Jimmy Young. True he did knock George down. But not out (George later was diagnosed with heat prostration- in his version he saw god). This is the same Jimmy Young who some say beat Ali in a controversial decision. People still talk away what a crafty fighter he was... you just couldn't lay a glove on the guy. George's trainer even said he told George to end it but Foreman was trying to prove his stamina.
@TonyHawkLookalike come on i'm watching this cooper fight over and over . i know your a foreman fan but you seem to also be a fan of boxing and seem to know boxing. can really come pair this performance by cooper to a prime tyson in anyway???
There will be fight fans who read my multiple posts below and of course some will say Im a tyson nuthugger but if that person doesnt understand the science of damatos technique coupled with a guy who had the fastest muslce fiber twitching response in heavyweight history and with a guy who had that punching power and iron chin when conditioned,then the person needs to educate himself before posting any comments here.
@fadethetrade which is exactly what im trying to get through to people that think that trashing Tyson just cuz everyone knows him makes them look like they know everything on boxing. Tyson sure as fuck had the style to beat George Foreman. He moved alot better than Frazier and Jimmy Young. Tyson is just too underrated now because of his last few years in boxing im with you brother :)
@TheArkham13asylum Tyson fans. They all have OCD disorder, obsessed with Tyson's prime years. Yes he was a great fighter. But it's highly unlikely Tyson could hut George. It would be the other way around. Two fights that emphasize this are Tyson v Lewis and Foreman v Frazier. Those fights have your answers. Go read the article mentioned in the posts below. Tyson wanted no part of Foreman. Why else pass on that kind of pay day?
@TonyHawkLookalike you know something im getting tired of little girls like you insulting people because you dont get agree'd with. Grow up. Foreman did NOT fight like Lewis, Tyson moved better than Frazier and hit harder with both hands. See what Jimmy did to Foreman? Tyson hits harder and moves better than Jimmy. and when we say his prime it was because THATS when the fight was supposed to happen. you all hear about Tyson so much that you think it makes you sound wise to diss him as a fighter
From the title winning in 86 thru his last fight with rooney,tyson had an amaing perpetual motion technique and this would have discombobulated holyfield into fighting tyson instead of head rushing and butting him as he did in 1996.This earlier tyson woulod also slip most of douglas jabs and not allow douglas to EASILY LAND THE RIGHT ALL NIGHT which would not happen with the fiber twitching conditgioned tyson of late 87 early 88.
Someone great once said your life is defined by how you deal with challenges. Foreman had the crushing loss to Ali and the tough decision to Young. How did he respond? Take a look at second career- perhaps he was overweight but he won most of his fights, didn't take a seat between rounds, regained the belt, and as far as I know never again hit the canvas. As for Tyson, does anyone really believe he ever recovered from the Douglas fight???
@TonyHawkLookalike Learn about Muscle fiber twitching.google it.I dont dispute with ANY boxing fan who loves to take the excuse that tyson was finally exposed by douglas, read about tysons muscle fiber twitching and learn how important it was to maintain this twitch in his instincitive reactions to move his head for 12 rounds and throw deadly combinations that most land.The smothering that holyfield did to a flat ghost of a tyson would never be able to be utilizied had it been tyson of 1988
@TonyHawkLookalike But tysons muscle fiber twitching was the fastest in heavyweight history.In fact tysons twitching was the most profound with a guy who weighed 220 lbs. When he utilized his technique and trained 12 hrs a day 7 days a week 365 days a year and fough every 3 months,what douglas and holyfield exposed wasnt there to be exposed in the 87-88 year. If you examine the douglas/tyson fight,douglas did nothing in the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds,the younger tyson would have caught up to douglas
@TonyHawkLookalike tyson wasnt a great fighter like ali or holyfield,he was a fighter who fought great for short less then 3 yr span.The program he followed diligently couldnt be sustained for too long and you saw a tyson against douglas who trained 2 weeks and lost 20 lbs a few weeks before the fight.Tyson retired from serious trainng and fighting the day he fired rooney,who was the only person to keep tyson in the gym all times.
@TonyHawkLookalike TYson proved he had heart when he faced the biggest puncher since foremans early days,razor ruddock and took left uppercut smashes for 12 rounds and won a decision even declined from his muscle fiber twitching of his 86-88 years.What kept tyson beating ruddock was that tyson was in the gym for most of that year.Had that been douglas instead of ruddock,I believe ,even with the absence of the muscle fiber twitching ,tyson would have beaten douglas the night tyson fought ruddock
@TonyHawkLookalike TYsons recovery to 88 form would never come because the conditioning the "white guys" did for him MENTALLY,could never get regained because tyson wasnt interested in fighting the correc way or trining the correct way anymopre after the holmes fight because he married robin givens and thats when his decline started,not in terms of age but in his conditioning.The fiber twitching stopped,the head became stationary,the strategy of that post holmes tyson was to throw one head shot
@TonyHawkLookalike His "new" style of trying to end it in one head hunting shot didnt work with the craftier fighters.They learned how to "step in" and smother" on his one shot lunges.Even I can beat that tyson in a strategic way and Im not a boxer. I can see tyson throwing the jab/right hand to the head followed up with a sloppy left hook.That was the tyson after 1988.That was an easy figher to nullify!! But to a boxing expert,thats not what he was from 86-88. learn about muscle fiber twitching
@TonyHawkLookalike Im a great fight fan and very knowledgeable witht he science of fighting.Im not a tyson nuthugger,but I give credit to where credit is due.I never expected tyson to have a motivation to work like he did for 3 yrs and expect him to continue it for years after.It was too hard to do.The damato techinques are very difficult to maintain because it takes alot of STAMINA to implement this technique andtyson simply couldnt mentally condition himself becuase of his bad "influences"
@TonyHawkLookalike I cant understand why people like yourself think tyson should have continued his amazing regimine of conditioning,training and fighting the correct defensive first posture and condition with the best sparring partners money can buy,All good things come to an end eventually.But to take the flat unconditioned tyson of post 1988 and think he finally got exposed and believeing that was the same fighter owho beat holmes,sounds pathetic and an easy way out from a valid dispute
TYson demonstrated when he was young and conditioned,he could walk thru bombs as he did with razor ruddock whos left uppercut smash was stronger and more numbing then foremans right hand.BUT,foreman demonstrated the only time he fought a guy with tyson power,that opponent had no trouble landing and knocking foreman down 4 TIMES!!! Foreman nuthuggers need to examine their heads a little more and review some foreman fights AFTER the frazier/norton blowouts. YOu see he wasnt as good as as we felt
foreman was overrated if you dont allow him to shove you and land the jab/right hand/right uppercut.That was foremans fight style.Easy to nullify as many did and as larrry holmes has always maintained thruout his career.Foreman was OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!
If you can't get out of the way of Foreman it's gonna hurt.. Arms face body shoulders I bet it doesn't matter where he hits you it's going to be painful.
If you can't get out of the way of Foreman it's gonna hurt.. Arms face body shoulders I bet it doesn't matter where he hits you it's going to be painful.
I always wonder why there is a debate about Tyson vs Foreman. It's like the Tyson fans are hungry to see Tyson prove himself against a big, strong, puncher. Didn't Tyson already face those types of fighters? He fought a fit Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield twice, and especially Lewis. Foreman fans really don't care because they know that Big George only struggled against defensive/evasive counterpunches (Ali and Young). Tyson is not that category.
@TonyHawkLookalike TYson would wreck foreman like an express train had it been the conditioned tyson of 87-88.He would land 4 shots to foremans one and tyson would walk thru foremans one [punch from time to time.Tyson would bomb out foreman as Lyle demonstrated you could do if you land YOUR shos in combination.I think all the formeman nuthuggers need to go back to the lyle fight.It showed a deadly tyson of 87-88 could certainly have ko'd foreman back then and certainly the blubber foreman
@fadethetrade I think you are like alot of Tyson fans who became enamored with the 80s version of Iron Mike forgetting about his struggles in the 90s where his weaknesses were exposed by several fighters. Foreman walked away from boxing with with a staggering 69 KOs, tons of money, and all his marbles. As for the Lyle fight... newsflash: Foreman won that fight. Many experts feel Foreman would have beat Tyson. The style matchup was very lopsided. See Foreman vs. Frazier I and II.
@TonyHawkLookalike I dont believe tyson of his muscle fiber twitching year 86-88 would certainly beat the young foreman of 1973 but that tyson would certainly destroy the blucbber foreman of the 90's no question about it.Tysons punches would come 4 to one of foremans and tyson would be ready fro the same atttack frazier suffered,the damato crew would prepare tyson for that attack. Watching foreman get banged around from a guy(lyle),you have to think tyson could get to any year george fast!!
@TonyHawkLookalike The thing that separates the great fighters or the fighters who fight great from the fighters who are very inconsistant ,is the training and conditioning they get into.Holyfield said that tyson back in the early days 86-88,outworked him!! When you have a fighter who is deadly conditioned like no other fighter,its hard to beat him.Tyson was trained by rooney to fight 15 round fights.Tyson made oliver mccall quit with body shots! in a sparring session filmed by a japanese crew.
had holyfield,lewis,bowe and foreman fought tyson in 1988,they would all lose and all the schmucks who hate tyson would still say,AHh,these guys were shitty fighters,not like the fighters who fought ali".. and on and on and on.ASSHOLES.Tysonin a 2 yr span was the best since Clay of 66.
Idiots who hate tyson always knock him becuasse he didnt want to do it anymore after spinks. He would wipe away douglas,bowe ,holyfield,foreman and lewis between 86-88
All these schmucks on youtube don't know shit about the science of what damato taught tyson.Tyson of 86-88 would kill this foreman.Tyson wpuld throw 5 punch combinations like he did with pinklon thomas,who would have outpointed this foreman. Everyone talking about foreman and cooper hitting harder then tyson.WHo cares,tyson in his 2 year prime reign 86-88, was scientifically better and had faster fiber twitching in his muscles that these two bozos would never be able to handle.
@Will84ABA Frazier went 6 rounds in their second fight.Tyson in early 1988 was lightning explosive and foreman was floored by Ron Lyle who was not as explosive as tyson was back then.Rooney and Lott would have prepared tyson for the foreman shoving /uppercut style.I may agree with you but only foreman and 1965 Clay as the only two to beat that 2 yr span tyson 86-88.But watch the Lyle/foreman fight again.I don't know,I can see tyson going right after forman and we all know lyle decked him 4 times
@fadethetrade 2 times, not 4 times. There's a few other things worth noting, namely that Foreman wasnt in good shape for that fight, and that Lyle was a puncher who could box (reasonably). It was always the boxers who gave Foreman trouble. Tyson-Foreman would be very different. It wouldnt be easy for Tyson to get past those big long arms of George, and Foreman was good at hitting moving targets with uppercuts, ie Tysons head.
Bert Cooper hit harder than Tyson Took the fight to Evander Holyfield, Hurt Holyfield, Knocked him down, and overall did very well Bert Cooper was a very good fighter Prime Mike Tyson was overall a better technical fighter Had better combinations Had better conditioning Had a better chim Post Prison Mike Tyson Had better conditioning A better chin Got completely dominated by Holyfield I think Old George would have Taken Post Prison Tyson very easily, look at how he just MANHANDLES cooper...
@XionComrade ...And look at how devastating his punches are! Now people can understand just what a monster Foreman was, and just how a Tyson-Foreman match would have gone, very badly.
@flyinghotwing Lol he was getting his ass kicked though, was deffinently going to be KTFO in the next round and George had at least 5 more left in him. Deffinently had some broken ribs from those body shots >.<
Lol look at that Foreman stare at 6:38, George never could stand the new age fighters because they sucked so bad compared to the 70s war heroes.
@XionComrade wow youre incredible, with one hard look you are reading all that into the situation?he never could sstand new age fighters? lol ..funny...never knew cooper was a nu age fighter...thought he was just a so so heavyweight fightin in the 90s...still for a real fighter to go out that way is hella weak......get out there and throw your best shot and if you get knocked down hard then perhaps fake the get up and stay downbut dont quit on the stool...DLH did it, Kostya Tszyu did it but stil
@flyinghotwing Vitali did it against Chris Byrd, another huge heavyweight joke :/ I consider Cooper a new age fighter, he had his ups and downs but was overall a good contender. George's second coming marked the new age, and the 70s would be "old" age fighters lol....George always complained about how the new fighters always ran from him and none of them ever actually fought like Ron Lyle, Norton, and Frazier would...This fight shows you why, George would quickly retire brawlers lol
@XionComrade u may be correct, id like to see that vitaly fight again, i hear u about ur new age old age categories, i guess holyfield would be a mixture of both, but he and a couple others in foremans second go around did rock big george too...peace.
@flyinghotwing Yeah now Holyfield was a true warrior! Lennox Lewis was in some serious scraps himself, their were a few fighters that had huge heart and skill, but not many at all...Holmes comes to mind, taking the shot of Earnie Shavers and coming back to win!
@flyinghotwing Show some respect for a warrior. Cooper had his ups and downs, but he was no sucker! He had great wars with Mercer, Cooper, Holyfield, and others.
Shavers had a very good chin. He wasn't a champion because of his lack of stamina in the time of 15 round fights. He was a good 15 years ahead of his time.
That being said... I've never seen someone in a single punch effect Ali and Larry Holmes like Shavers did.
@mrtrin that's funny, i saw frazier and cooper do quite a bit more with one punch than shavers did in the whole fight. and they were fighting a prime ali, not an old washed up one.
and what do you mean 15 years ahead of his time? he fought in the golden age of heavyweight boxing, the division has been lacking ever since. are you saying he should have fought worse fighters?
I'm saying if he were 15 years younger, he'd have been in the Post-Duk Koo Kim era, which meant that he'd have been in 12 rounders, and would've fared MUCH better than he did.
@mrtrin i don't think it'd make a real difference. shavers looked to knock a guy out ASAP, no matter how long the fight was scheduled. shavers doesn't have a single win past round 10 on his record. also, this only applies to championship fights anyway.
@Robstailey Im my channel I have one video of Holyfield saying that Old George was easily the hardest he was hit
I also have one from Quick Tillis saying that Shavers was easily the hardest hitter he ever faced, one from Ron Lyle, and a few from Muhammad Ali. Ken Norton and Jimmy Young had the same to say, but I have to find the source to make it official. Shavers was the hardest hitter on record, but was nothing the monster that George was. Shavers was a 3 round fighter, George a 8 rounder...
@XionComrade ...Shavers had a glass jaw, not a man in history that I can think of could KO Foreman, Shavers had the power to one hit Prime Foreman with ease but not the skill. Shavers had a overhand right and a looping left hook, Foreman had it all, especially the hardest jab I have ever seen(Got a video of him jabbing the heavy bag harder than Tyson could hay maker it!)For power its Shavers, for punching George is THE man, no other fighter embodies the term power puncher better IMHO.
that's your opinion, mrrrrrt, ali, lyle, norton, bugner all say shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. you should say: "and that's my opinion"
@Maryjaneslave Exactly. I dont even blame Ali for leaning on the ropes for all those rounds. I dont blame Tommy Morrison for turning his back on George and running like a bitch. Foreman was too damn scary.
Big win for Foreman. Man, those were some heavy body blows and big upper cuts. How would you like to have Foreman bearing down on you like that? Cooper was a tough fighter.
I love George and Bert. This fight breaks my heart. The potential of a clean and focused Bert boggles my mind, what a sad thing!
treetoptop 2 weeks ago
Old George was as tough as the toughest, weather-beaten oak. I wish Wladimir or Vitali had been active during old George's comeback "prime".
MrRoyalFatness 3 months ago
2:33
smokinlefthook 4 months ago
Good stoppage when you think of it. There was no way Cooper was going to win this fight. His punches were having zero effect on George, who was controlling the fight. That body blow in the first round just about knocked Bert down and I don't think he ever really recovered from it. If you watch it again, George didn't even put all his power behind it. Scary thought.
The idiots in the crowd booing should line up to take one body blow from George, then let's see how they feel about the fight.
zenmachinefilms 4 months ago
@zenmachinefilms your right mate the second that body punch landed and burt stopped moving as much i just thought "DEAD MEAT"
banofee999 2 months ago
I remember seeing some footage of Foreman at practice back in his younger days, and boy, I don't blame cooper for quitting.
jeffofsandiego 5 months ago
bumfight
gregy741 6 months ago
Scumbags booing him. None of those would have the balls to go two rounds with George like Bert did.
MrBumboclart 6 months ago 9
@MrBumboclart indeed
FIGHTFANNERD3 6 months ago
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MrBumboclart 6 months ago
There can't be many heavyweights in history who hit harder than Foreman. Look at the size of the man's arms, shoulders, chest and legs! He's fucking massive!
JoeStunner 7 months ago
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Qawi said: its that fatigue makes cowards of us all
LA8PVCallingTheWorld 7 months ago
its true i mean
LA8PVCallingTheWorld 7 months ago
I will not face George Foreman for 10 millions bucks ! Even actually...
regismo 8 months ago
I wonder if big George would come back now, whould he still take young punks to school? ^^
cnh2132 8 months ago
Good ole BIG George
nobbytang 8 months ago
Andrew Golota sometimes paints himself black and goes by the name of "Bert Cooper."
danning1 9 months ago
Oh wow. The size difference here is absurd. Daddy beating up his toddler son.
FSMNoodlyAppendage 9 months ago
2:33 oh my god!! this animal would kill tyson, kill him!!!
combatesdeboxeo 9 months ago
@combatesdeboxeo no way!!!!!
kingzula 6 months ago
@kingzula yes he would do, it is because tyson avoided foreman, and cus damato said that the style of tyson against foreman was a suicide
combatesdeboxeo 6 months ago
@kingzula tyson in his prime never faced a man stronger than himself, foreman would handle tyson like a rag doll.
combatesdeboxeo 6 months ago
Always liked Cooper. Tough, hard punching slugger. I have to admit, I was surprised at how easily grandpa Foreman walked him down. Looked like a man fighting a teenage boy. Gotta give Big George his props, esp that body punching. Ouch! To hell with the crowd. They didn't have to take those gut-busting belly shots!
zulubro 9 months ago 4
@zulubro cooper tested positive for cocaine which means he was using with in a day or two of this fight
kingzula 6 months ago
this is a testimate to how much heart the so called bums had when they fought foreman
it takes a tough man to go back after 1 round let alone 2-3
johnosandra 9 months ago 11
smart decision but not the decision of a champion
johnosandra 9 months ago
Bert Cooper-- one of the greatest fighters to have never become a champion!
MegaYouri13 10 months ago
Bert Cooper showed incredible heart here. Not.
danning1 10 months ago
@danning1 didnt you see the right hand at 6:11 that hit him in the face AND the body lmao..nobody can take that..
lhwood777 10 months ago
bert on the Holyfield Vs Cooper lead up said he partied for 3 days no sleep going into this fight. Waste of talent
LVSWTZ 10 months ago
This is my point. Fighters that didnt run, werent intimidated, and had a jab put tyson down for the count. Douglas..Holyfield...Lewis. Foreman would be in that same category. Again I ask, who were the great fighters Mike faced? Holmes? Spinks? Ruddock? come on. all fighters know that they have difficulty with certain styles. Jabbers, sluggers, counter punchers, ...and thats the beauty of boxing. For Tyson, he had trouble against fighters who threw punches back at him.
abbaddontd1 10 months ago
No, Holyfield didn't stand in there with Tyson, he just held, held, held, leaned in with the head, hold then hit was his strategy, his holding is ridiculous, Holyfield makes for some boring fights, steroids.
SpinksJinx 10 months ago
@SpinksJinx Holyfield boring? You know nothing about boxing bitch, wtf, did you watch his three fights with Riddick Bowe, his two fights with Qawi, or all his fights in his prime at 190 and up.
JMDinamitaMarquez 10 months ago
Douglas wasnt a fluke. He was simply the first guy to fire back at Mike. Holyfield knew this as well and stood in there. And Lewis. Foreman would have pummeled Mike in the same fashion. Who di Mike ever beat? Carl the truth? Razor Ruddock? Give me a break.
abbaddontd1 10 months ago
@abbaddontd1 Tyson trained and fought differently in 87 to 88.He shot off his combinations much better and much more accurate then after 1988 where tyson became a one punch stationary fighter.tyson would walk thru this foreman.foreman would be ko'd by the classic tyson.Too fast,too much power coming in too fast before foreman would get off.Just look at this fight,tyson would already be banging slow robotic foreman like a rapid fire machine.
fadethetrade 10 months ago
@fadethetrade " Tyson trained and fought differently in 87 to 88.He shot off his combinations much better and much more accurate" fergison,greene,smith,tucker ........nuff said
LVSWTZ 10 months ago
@abbaddontd1 Tyson walked thru ruddocks left uppercut smashes so with a mindset tyson to win and train correctly,he would overcome the second coming of foerman.he would be able to handle the foreman shots enough to get his short left combinations in on a very very easy target in statue george.
fadethetrade 10 months ago
@fadethetrade I will never understand you tyson lovers. The spectacle that was Tyson was one of a kind...the proverbial good vs evil was staged for each fight and was part of the 'mystique'. Looking beyond that, theres nothing there. First fight with Razor (premature stoppage), second a decision. Not exactly walked through. And how come the stars have to align in any conversation about Mike (IF he trained correctly....IF he had had the right mindset). Not exactly great if theres caveats.
abbaddontd1 10 months ago 2
@fadethetrade However....Big Buster's uppercut proved fatal...Buster owned him.....That is provable and do not give me this shit about prime BVuster would have destroyed him at any point in his career...Buster knew HOW to beat his ass period...
djk28161 10 months ago
@djk28161 YOu don't understand and most mental midgets on youtube who dont understand tysons 3 careers. Douglas won very simply of two reasons,one was tysons technique didnt slip douglas jab and the douglas jab set up EVERYTHING ELSE in that fight. Tyson stood outside,got knocked down twice in sparring for douglas for only 2 weeks of training and was knocked down by ancient greg page and in late 1987 tyson made Oliver Mccall Quit withy body shots in sparring.#2 bad corner didnt get him up.
fadethetrade 10 months ago
Imo, this is how tyson vs foreman would go down. I believe Tyson would outbox george until george finally caught him with a knockout blow in, lets say, the mid to late rounds.
LBomber100 10 months ago 2
@kingzula Only because he thought he was SHOT after losing title to Moorer and being koed by Bowe . You have one thing right Foreman did'nt want to risk the title he won because he wanted a 100 million dollar showdown with Tyson split 50-50 and then retire . Foreman was the linear champ the rightful champ till robbed against Briggs in 97 but never got Tyson ? He would of faced Lewis next but instead it was Briggs who got him .Foreman trained for Holmes in 99 but the promoter did'nt get the money
pfitzger2e1 11 months ago
@kingzula Tyson instead fights Carl THE LIAR williams who also ducked Foreman and a 42-1 underdog . Tyson did'nt want any part of Foreman after June 16th 1990 when he faced top contender Adilson Rodrigues . Foreman was the one to get the title shot first against Holyfield because Tyson would'nt fight him ? Tyson was supposed to fight Holyfield after Foreman but pulled out on a rib injury and was replaced by Bert Cooper ? Tyson did'nt want prime Holyfield either but old Holyfield YES
pfitzger2e1 11 months ago
@kingzula It would'nt matter what Cooper was on or not , same result anyway with his come forward swarming style .The only reason he lasted longer is because he ran around which he never does . Qawi went 15 rds with Holyfield ? Even an old Holyfield bullied Tyson not once but twice Qawi did better then Tyson ? In 1989 you saw the video Why would Foreman say Tyson is the one being offered 20 million he's saying NO .The champion of the world is DUCKING George Foreman thats the REALITY make sence ?
pfitzger2e1 11 months ago
@kingzula Jab his way in lol ? Foreman would of decapated Cooper with his uppercut Foreman had one of the best jabs ever with a 82 inch reach .Moorer koed Cooper also and Foreman koed Moorer whats your point ? Tyson always DUCKED Foreman ? Tyson was offered 20 million in 1989 to fight Foreman for title and said NO ? What happened on June 16th 1990 Tyson Tillman Foreman Rodrigues why did'nt they fight next ? What happened when Foreman won back title and Tyson was offered 50 million to fight ???
pfitzger2e1 11 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 like i said cooper tested positive for cocaine in this fight he quit in this fight and don king offerd foreman a fight before douglas and he said no he wasnt ready.and foreman was being dominated by moorer before he got ko'd . when foremen fought away past his prime dwight Mohamed qwiwi he had all sort of trouble and he was only 5'6 and was a blown up cruiserweight . and foreman went on to fight holyfield .king once again offerd foreman a fight but tyson wasnt the champion and
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula forman wanted a shot at the title and fought holyfield. holyfield would not give tyson a shot until he fought foreman because they figured foreman was an easier fight. then tyson as you know went to prison. and after foreman won the title he gave it up cause he did not want to loose while waiting for tyson.and by the way the way he was offerd 25mill to fight foreman right after he got out of prison the same he got for mcneely . tyson would have been a fool to fight foreman as a first
kingzula 11 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 right out of prison and foreman had already givin up his title.
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Thats the only way to fight Foreman and do good ? Stay on the outside and jab , basically RUN . Anyone who would be stupid enough to bring the fight to Foreman and slug it out would simply crumble . Foreman is to strong , thats why Tyson avoided a fight with Foreman for years ? Just like Foreman chanted to the crowd after his fight with Cooper . WE WANT TYSON !!! WE WANT TYSON !!! WE WANT TYSON !!!
pfitzger2e1 11 months ago
@pfitzger2e1 its not the way cooper should have fought foreman .he should have jab his way in and then tie him up . cooper was on cocaine for this fight .he was clearly scared and paranoid he had no game plan.tyson did not duck forman but foreman did duck alot of fighters during the comeback. thats why he gave up the title. and everybody wanted tyson at the time he was the money tree
kingzula 11 months ago
cooper is fighting all wrong he is clearly fighting on the outside trying too jab and stay away i dont no why people keep comparing this fight with a fight with tyson
kingzula 11 months ago
cooper tested positive for cocaine after this fight which means he was using while training so this fight means nothing
kingzula 11 months ago
I said it in the late 80s when Foreman started his comeback, and I'll say it now: Mike Tyson was perfect cannon fodder for Big George. This fight and the Frazier's are previews of what would've happened to Tyson. As far as the guy who keeps talking about the Foreman not fighting anyone with power, that's BS. Yeah, Lyle knocked him down, but UNLIKE Tyson (as good as he was), George showed he could get up AND WIN! People talk about George being slow; I'm sure Bert Cooper didn't think so. LOL!
Odawg96 11 months ago
Foreman's punches are like Mule kicks and don't you forget that Tyson fans. Y'all have the luxury to say Tyson would beat him because they did not fight. That makes it easy for you to be brash. True fans know better....
"He was bigger and stronger than me. And I accept that."
-Joe Frazier (Referring to Foreman)
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
cooper throws another fight. disgusting. bowe and foreman fights he threw.
dunnydun1 11 months ago
Frazier's style prevented him from being a fast starter.It took joe about 4 rounds to get in gear but he could go 30 rounds.Tysons style was more of a first 3 round meteorite launching and this is the only way a fighter,other then a pure self preservasion fighter,could beat foreman. Lyle was not a great finisher in his career,Despite experts derogatory comments on the post rooney tyson,you cant dismiss the fact that tyson was a great finisher and thats the edge he would have needed
fadethetrade 11 months ago
Actually foreman NEVER faces a puncher like tyson since Lyle and we all know what lyle did to him and should have finished george.Lyle was a notoriously poor finisher as bert cooper was against holyfield.Tyson was the best finisher in the business!!Had the tyson of early 1988 have george and holyfield in the state they were in on queer street against lyle and cooper.,tyson would have ko'd both in the same fashion as he did to larry holmes.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade I am not sure why you posted so many times. Honestly, it's really difficult to have healthy debate with Tyson fans becasue they are so obsessed with the 1988 version of Tyson. It's like a double rainbow or OCD disorder with you folks. Tyson was a GREAT fighter. He might have beaten Foreman. But why didn't the fight happen? Seriously... why? Why pass on that kind of pay dirt? Did Cus D and Don King know something? Such as what happened to Frazier.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike I can discuss without so many posts.sorry.It's just that so many fight fans tyson bashers love to say douglas exposed tyson's weaknesses.every fight had weaknesses ,I maintain fighting tyson at 50% of what he was in early 88 doesn;t mean he was exposed and overrated,Douglas jab was the reason he won that fight,not his mother in heaven,not because he was in great shape,it was because tyson wasnt prepared to slip his jab and nullify douglas with his own jab,
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike Tyson would have ko'd douglas and holyfield the night he first ko;d ruddock in 1991.Even though giachetti couldnt get back the old tyson ,only atlas and rooney knew what technique tyson needed to condition and train with.He became a head hunter after 1988 in ALL his fights.He stopped combinaion punching,stopped the quick jab that oujabbed other jabbers tucker,holmes,biggs etcetc.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade Okay, we get it. You like Tyson. Fine, he was a great fighter and yes especially so in the late 80s when he was on top of his game. But I don't really see Tyson doing much damage to Foreman (ESPECIALLY the older Foreman) because of the way George stalks fighters to keep them in front, and because of the way Tyson falls prey by "standing in front" and low. And since they never did fight we may consider other factors like higher KO percentage which again favors Big George.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike DId you receive my list on tyson of 86-88 and compare it to tyson of 89-91?????????
Then Im sure you can say the 86-88 yson was multi levels beter then 89-91 tyson. Yes foreman of 73-75 might have ko'd any year tyson but not blubber george of 90-95
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike George stalked fighters like no other.Even Cus Damato told tyson the early 70's foreman could beat any swarming style fighter(tyson,frazier,marciano,dempsey) in history but I have a problem picking george of the 90's against the prime deadly tyson of the 86-88 period.That I have a problem giving george the edge.Tyson in that period would land 4 shots to foremans one shot,tyson walked thru every ruddock left uppercut smash and foreman was hurt by holyfield.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike And if you watch the cooper and qawi fights with foreman,you can invision the 1988 tyson totally barraging foreman into the canvas with lightning punches and tyson wpouldnt have any problem landing almost any combination on the robot 90's foreman.The question is how would foreman react to this deadly combinations on him.Foreman had the edge when his "shoving" tactics worked when he could push his opponents into his right hand punching range.Tyson would watch for that.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade Let me get in on this. How would George react to Tyson? He would've pushed him off first just like he did in the first Frazier figh. Secondly, people tend to forget that the OLDER George had a pretty strong defense. When he crossed his arms, you couldn't get to his chin--which was good to begin with--with a wrecking ball. He did it in this fight, and I would say his fight with Cooney (a "pretty good" puncher as I recall) was the perfect display of that tactic.
Odawg96 11 months ago
@Odawg96 TYson of early 88ish would have worked diligently with rooney and lott to devise a strategy to survive that approach..It would nt be too hard to know exactly what slower foreman would have done.Don't forget,tyson at close range with men who had stationary targets, were minced up with tysons 5 punch "all landing" combinations he stopped using after 1988.The crafty boxers were the problem for tyson not the slower stationary guys.Tyson goes right up thru foremans cross arm defense
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade Rooney's version of Tyson was awesome. Still, though, I don't see him running in and overwhelming Foreman for a KO. A decision? Maybe. Tyson was able to get to stationary Big Men who didn't necessarily ENGAGE him. Foreman was NEVER one to fight backing up or moving laterally. He always stood his ground and stalked his opponent. And we both know that Tyson's biggest weakness was a talented fighter who stood up to him and actually had the nerve to throw punches at.him.
Odawg96 11 months ago
@fadethetrade Never faced a puncher? Foreman faced Frazier. Ever heard of him? Tyson is almost a replica of Frazier. Simply replace an insane left hook with an insane right upper cut. Your assessment is a pure gamble. You are assuming Tyson would do damage to George early in the fight, because that is Tyson's modus operendi. He is useless late in a fight. You forgot, that no one (not a single soul) ever hurt George in the early rounds.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike did you ever hear of ron lyle he gave George a run for his money and hurt him badly in the early rounds
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Are you kidding??? You think a Foreman fan never watched the Lyle fight? It's one of the greatest slugfests ever. It was a critical moment for George, he got up and kept fighting and WON the fight. Against Ali he got knocked down and just stayed down and vowed that would never happen again. Tyson proponents think that Lyle's ability to hurt George in the middle rounds (with 8 ounce gloves of course) is a factor in thinking Tyson would have a chance. Maybe... but probably not.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike jimmy young one of the lightest hitting heavyweights of all time also knocked down foreman . and yes the 20something foreman showed some heart against a past his prime lyle but he lost to jimmy young after that. and lyle hurt foreman in the early rds and could not finish him.tyson certainly had ron lyle power and was a good finisher . let me ask you this does the 40something foreman beat the prime foreman?
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Great point about Jimmy Young. Yes, I will use that to illustrate my point that George, at any age, would do to Tyson what he did to poor Frazier. Big George struggled notably in two fights: Ali and Young. What kind of fighters are they? Quick, evasive, counterpunchers. Tyson does not match that profile. Tyson is much closer to Frazier's profile- coming in low and aggressive. Tyson's people (Dmato, Rooney, Atlas, etc.) warned Tyson about this matchup problem with Foreman.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike the young george foreman was defiantly a match for a young mike tyson. if they met on their best days i not sure who would win. in my opinion it would be a better version of the foreman- lyle .
but do you really believe that the old foreman was better than the prime foreman..and yes he did destroy Frazier but Frazier never recovered from that big crunching right that he landed .and frazier also took foreman lightly, he was actually the favorite coming into the fight.
kingzula 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike but as much as the second coming of foreman was a commercial success .in the ring he was not that impressive. he had a few moments against holyfield but still lost convincingly ,he was losing every minute of every round to moorer before the ko.and even alex stewert dominated him after the second round. tell me what fight in the comeback makes you feel he would beat a prime tyson
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula You are criticizing the old Foreman? What part of "Regained Belt" don't you understand? He was slower and heavier but smarter. He picked his spots. He didn't even sit down on a stool for christsakes that's how confident he was. Since they never did fight we don't know. But the numbers (KO %) and style matchup favor Big George. Not taking anything away from Tyson, he was truly great... but the Lewis fight showed why Tyson made a good decision to pass on Forman.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike also ali was not evasive against foreman .he hit ali was with all he had ali just took it and fired back. and in my opinion young did beat and old out of shape way past his prime ali,but do you feel young would do that to a prime ali. thats my point you cannot come pair what a young hungry in his prime foreman did to frazier , to a 40something foreman fighting a young prime tyson
kingzula 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike Tyso was fast evaisve and a great counter puncher dude. George Foreman had a good chin but nothing exceptional. I dont think he could take much of Tysons power. In fact im almost positive Tyson would win despite what people say. The announcers that said that Tyson was made for Foreman were heavily critized by other experts and said that basically they were made for eachother. On the flip side George can easily knockout Tyson.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheArkham13asylum "nothing exceptional"--have you looked at the guy's record on Wikipedia? Never KOed except Ali--retained enough power to become heavyweight champion at 46--he's the definition of "exceptional." Post-comeback he only lost by decision. He destroyed guys within 1 or 2 rounds, just like Tyson, only with a different style--a style Tyson feared, after he lost to Buster Douglas. Prime Tyson might win against old George, but he himself probably only gave himself 2-1 odds--"scary."
opinioninflicting 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting dont play stupid i was talking about the guys chin i have no idea what that has to do with everything you said in your paragraph. and just how do you know Tyson feared his style? Foreman didnt fight like Buster fought that night and he left himself open to counters or combos. Specially the way Big George blocked himself was perfect for the hook-to-the-body-then-uppercut from Tyson. Whatever anyone wants to say Tyson certainly had the style and tools to beat George Foreman.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheArkham13asylum Google "why we never saw tyson-foreman"--sounds reasonable--Tyson was freaked out and scared after the Douglas fight--he just got KOed by a nobody, why wouldn't he be wary?--one loss to an old man would have ended his career, even if he expected a win *probably*--and the story about Cus and the Frazier fight sounds reasonable. And guess what: Tyson was right, he knew more about boxing than any "critic"--Foreman WAS dangerous enough to KO an undefeated 26 year old champion.
opinioninflicting 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting don king offered foreman a fight with tyson before he fought douglas but he turned it down . he said he wasnt ready. after tyson lost to douglas tyson was more interested in fighting a rematch with douglas. douglas would not fight tyson instead he fought holyfield.he figured if he beat tyson he could beat holyfield easier. if douglas had beat holyfield he had a signed contract to fight foreman.he was trying to make as much money as he could before a rematch with tyson.
kingzula 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting but when holyfield beat douglas he to had a signed contract with foreman.when holyfield tyson was finally set we all know tyson went to prison.when tyson got out of prison foreman had already givin up his title and was not champion.foreman lobbied hard for tyson to fight him right out of prison but tyson who hadnt trained or sparred in almost 4 yrs and was probably mentally drained from being in prison for a crime he felt he was innocent of smartly took a soft touch in
kingzula 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting mcneely for 30mill. it was circumstances why they never met . maybe if foreman never gave up his title because he did not want to loose before tyson got out of prison they may have finally fought.
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Old George got lucky with Moorer, but he still looks like an animal in 1990--look at Foreman/adilson rodrigues, 2 rounds, on the undercard of Tyson/Tillman (the night they could have fought, if Don King had his way.) Tyson was scared, only gave himself 2-1 or 3-1 odds against Foreman, as opposed to much better odds against McNeeley or Tillman. A trained Foreman could have killed Larry Holmes in 1981, for sure--or 82 or 83.
opinioninflicting 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting rodriques was ko'd by one shot by holyfield in the 2nd round by holyfield in his fight before foreman that why goerge pick him .and goerge had a contract to fight the douglas hoyfield winner.tyson went on to fight ruddock who most people thought was much more of risk to tyson than foreman.
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Agree it was mostly "circumstances" (Tyson's momentary fear came from losing to Douglas)--if he'd continued dominating and re-won the title, he'd have probably fought George and probably won by KO.
opinioninflicting 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting their was no momentary fear or tyson woundt have tried to get an a immediate rematch with douglas (which douglas refused)
kingzula 11 months ago
@kingzula Go Google "why we never saw tyson-foreman"--of course Tyson wanted a rematch with Douglas, but he could have fought Foreman instead of Tillman that night--then Tyson fought Alex Stewart and others before prison. A Foreman fight would have been the biggest purse for all involved. I don't agree with the guy in the article that "Foreman would have KOed Tyson"--I think Tyson would have won, but Tyson WAS scared--scared a loss to Foreman fight would end his career-scared George might do it.
opinioninflicting 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting foreman already had contract to fight the winner of holyfield douglas. he wanted two win the title. if he had he would have been the boss and commanded the lion share of the purse with tyson
kingzula 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting also on larry holmes i have heard stories(though i cant prove it) that foreman was thinking about making a comeback in early 80"S but decided against it because he felt he could not beat holmes. also foreman publicly said during his comeback that holmes was the only person that could outsmart him in the ring.
kingzula 11 months ago
@opinioninflicting look your right about Foremans power chin and heart but look at this in a pure boxing point of view. Tyson had speed power elusiveness nice footwork (which he shouldve used more often imo) he DID infact have a very solid chin he never got wobbled or KO'd with one shot. Tyson has too many weapons. we all know the Douglas fight was pure luck super inspired Buster vs undertrained Mike. you really think Mike wouldve lost a rematch? if he was that scarred he wouldve quit fighting.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheArkham13asylum Both were hard punchers... 51 KOs for Tyson and 69 for Foreman. At the end of the day though you have to look at mechanics and style. The guys who were successful against foreman had a strategy... Ali played the ropes and forced George to exhaust himself. Young ducked and dodged his way to a decision. The shorter Tyson is coming right for George which plays into his hands (fists) perfectly. George just didn't beat Frazier, he destroyed him. Seriously, DESTROYED.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@kingzula Also... on the subject of Jimmy Young. True he did knock George down. But not out (George later was diagnosed with heat prostration- in his version he saw god). This is the same Jimmy Young who some say beat Ali in a controversial decision. People still talk away what a crafty fighter he was... you just couldn't lay a glove on the guy. George's trainer even said he told George to end it but Foreman was trying to prove his stamina.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike come on i'm watching this cooper fight over and over . i know your a foreman fan but you seem to also be a fan of boxing and seem to know boxing. can really come pair this performance by cooper to a prime tyson in anyway???
kingzula 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike tyson was not a replica of fraizer their styles were quite difference
kingzula 11 months ago
There will be fight fans who read my multiple posts below and of course some will say Im a tyson nuthugger but if that person doesnt understand the science of damatos technique coupled with a guy who had the fastest muslce fiber twitching response in heavyweight history and with a guy who had that punching power and iron chin when conditioned,then the person needs to educate himself before posting any comments here.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade which is exactly what im trying to get through to people that think that trashing Tyson just cuz everyone knows him makes them look like they know everything on boxing. Tyson sure as fuck had the style to beat George Foreman. He moved alot better than Frazier and Jimmy Young. Tyson is just too underrated now because of his last few years in boxing im with you brother :)
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheArkham13asylum Tyson fans. They all have OCD disorder, obsessed with Tyson's prime years. Yes he was a great fighter. But it's highly unlikely Tyson could hut George. It would be the other way around. Two fights that emphasize this are Tyson v Lewis and Foreman v Frazier. Those fights have your answers. Go read the article mentioned in the posts below. Tyson wanted no part of Foreman. Why else pass on that kind of pay day?
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike you know something im getting tired of little girls like you insulting people because you dont get agree'd with. Grow up. Foreman did NOT fight like Lewis, Tyson moved better than Frazier and hit harder with both hands. See what Jimmy did to Foreman? Tyson hits harder and moves better than Jimmy. and when we say his prime it was because THATS when the fight was supposed to happen. you all hear about Tyson so much that you think it makes you sound wise to diss him as a fighter
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combatesdeboxeo 10 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike by the way its just OCD. not OCD disorder the D stands for disorder.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
Tyson of early 88 would land 4 punch combinations at will on this slowpoke cheeseburger gut foreman!!
fadethetrade 11 months ago
Jesus ,watching this fight,tyson of 87-88 would demolish this foreman.FOreman looked like a cyborg robot throwing those slow motion punches!!
fadethetrade 11 months ago
From the title winning in 86 thru his last fight with rooney,tyson had an amaing perpetual motion technique and this would have discombobulated holyfield into fighting tyson instead of head rushing and butting him as he did in 1996.This earlier tyson woulod also slip most of douglas jabs and not allow douglas to EASILY LAND THE RIGHT ALL NIGHT which would not happen with the fiber twitching conditgioned tyson of late 87 early 88.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
Someone great once said your life is defined by how you deal with challenges. Foreman had the crushing loss to Ali and the tough decision to Young. How did he respond? Take a look at second career- perhaps he was overweight but he won most of his fights, didn't take a seat between rounds, regained the belt, and as far as I know never again hit the canvas. As for Tyson, does anyone really believe he ever recovered from the Douglas fight???
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike Learn about Muscle fiber twitching.google it.I dont dispute with ANY boxing fan who loves to take the excuse that tyson was finally exposed by douglas, read about tysons muscle fiber twitching and learn how important it was to maintain this twitch in his instincitive reactions to move his head for 12 rounds and throw deadly combinations that most land.The smothering that holyfield did to a flat ghost of a tyson would never be able to be utilizied had it been tyson of 1988
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike But tysons muscle fiber twitching was the fastest in heavyweight history.In fact tysons twitching was the most profound with a guy who weighed 220 lbs. When he utilized his technique and trained 12 hrs a day 7 days a week 365 days a year and fough every 3 months,what douglas and holyfield exposed wasnt there to be exposed in the 87-88 year. If you examine the douglas/tyson fight,douglas did nothing in the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds,the younger tyson would have caught up to douglas
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike tyson wasnt a great fighter like ali or holyfield,he was a fighter who fought great for short less then 3 yr span.The program he followed diligently couldnt be sustained for too long and you saw a tyson against douglas who trained 2 weeks and lost 20 lbs a few weeks before the fight.Tyson retired from serious trainng and fighting the day he fired rooney,who was the only person to keep tyson in the gym all times.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike TYson proved he had heart when he faced the biggest puncher since foremans early days,razor ruddock and took left uppercut smashes for 12 rounds and won a decision even declined from his muscle fiber twitching of his 86-88 years.What kept tyson beating ruddock was that tyson was in the gym for most of that year.Had that been douglas instead of ruddock,I believe ,even with the absence of the muscle fiber twitching ,tyson would have beaten douglas the night tyson fought ruddock
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike TYsons recovery to 88 form would never come because the conditioning the "white guys" did for him MENTALLY,could never get regained because tyson wasnt interested in fighting the correc way or trining the correct way anymopre after the holmes fight because he married robin givens and thats when his decline started,not in terms of age but in his conditioning.The fiber twitching stopped,the head became stationary,the strategy of that post holmes tyson was to throw one head shot
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike His "new" style of trying to end it in one head hunting shot didnt work with the craftier fighters.They learned how to "step in" and smother" on his one shot lunges.Even I can beat that tyson in a strategic way and Im not a boxer. I can see tyson throwing the jab/right hand to the head followed up with a sloppy left hook.That was the tyson after 1988.That was an easy figher to nullify!! But to a boxing expert,thats not what he was from 86-88. learn about muscle fiber twitching
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike Im a great fight fan and very knowledgeable witht he science of fighting.Im not a tyson nuthugger,but I give credit to where credit is due.I never expected tyson to have a motivation to work like he did for 3 yrs and expect him to continue it for years after.It was too hard to do.The damato techinques are very difficult to maintain because it takes alot of STAMINA to implement this technique andtyson simply couldnt mentally condition himself becuase of his bad "influences"
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike I cant understand why people like yourself think tyson should have continued his amazing regimine of conditioning,training and fighting the correct defensive first posture and condition with the best sparring partners money can buy,All good things come to an end eventually.But to take the flat unconditioned tyson of post 1988 and think he finally got exposed and believeing that was the same fighter owho beat holmes,sounds pathetic and an easy way out from a valid dispute
fadethetrade 11 months ago
look at 6:09 that right hand hit his face and body
lhwood777 11 months ago
TYson demonstrated when he was young and conditioned,he could walk thru bombs as he did with razor ruddock whos left uppercut smash was stronger and more numbing then foremans right hand.BUT,foreman demonstrated the only time he fought a guy with tyson power,that opponent had no trouble landing and knocking foreman down 4 TIMES!!! Foreman nuthuggers need to examine their heads a little more and review some foreman fights AFTER the frazier/norton blowouts. YOu see he wasnt as good as as we felt
fadethetrade 11 months ago
foreman was overrated if you dont allow him to shove you and land the jab/right hand/right uppercut.That was foremans fight style.Easy to nullify as many did and as larrry holmes has always maintained thruout his career.Foreman was OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!
fadethetrade 11 months ago
Just to point out in Foreman Vs Lyle - both men were using lightweight gloves, giving them even more power than usual.
Hence, so many knockdowns
BruceinFalkirk 1 year ago
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If you can't get out of the way of Foreman it's gonna hurt.. Arms face body shoulders I bet it doesn't matter where he hits you it's going to be painful.
schpongled 1 year ago
If you can't get out of the way of Foreman it's gonna hurt.. Arms face body shoulders I bet it doesn't matter where he hits you it's going to be painful.
schpongled 1 year ago
Damn i loved watch these old fights, Bert Cooper was always fun to watch.
HARDNADER 1 year ago
I always wonder why there is a debate about Tyson vs Foreman. It's like the Tyson fans are hungry to see Tyson prove himself against a big, strong, puncher. Didn't Tyson already face those types of fighters? He fought a fit Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield twice, and especially Lewis. Foreman fans really don't care because they know that Big George only struggled against defensive/evasive counterpunches (Ali and Young). Tyson is not that category.
TonyHawkLookalike 1 year ago
@TonyHawkLookalike TYson would wreck foreman like an express train had it been the conditioned tyson of 87-88.He would land 4 shots to foremans one and tyson would walk thru foremans one [punch from time to time.Tyson would bomb out foreman as Lyle demonstrated you could do if you land YOUR shos in combination.I think all the formeman nuthuggers need to go back to the lyle fight.It showed a deadly tyson of 87-88 could certainly have ko'd foreman back then and certainly the blubber foreman
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@fadethetrade I think you are like alot of Tyson fans who became enamored with the 80s version of Iron Mike forgetting about his struggles in the 90s where his weaknesses were exposed by several fighters. Foreman walked away from boxing with with a staggering 69 KOs, tons of money, and all his marbles. As for the Lyle fight... newsflash: Foreman won that fight. Many experts feel Foreman would have beat Tyson. The style matchup was very lopsided. See Foreman vs. Frazier I and II.
TonyHawkLookalike 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike I dont believe tyson of his muscle fiber twitching year 86-88 would certainly beat the young foreman of 1973 but that tyson would certainly destroy the blucbber foreman of the 90's no question about it.Tysons punches would come 4 to one of foremans and tyson would be ready fro the same atttack frazier suffered,the damato crew would prepare tyson for that attack. Watching foreman get banged around from a guy(lyle),you have to think tyson could get to any year george fast!!
fadethetrade 11 months ago
@TonyHawkLookalike The thing that separates the great fighters or the fighters who fight great from the fighters who are very inconsistant ,is the training and conditioning they get into.Holyfield said that tyson back in the early days 86-88,outworked him!! When you have a fighter who is deadly conditioned like no other fighter,its hard to beat him.Tyson was trained by rooney to fight 15 round fights.Tyson made oliver mccall quit with body shots! in a sparring session filmed by a japanese crew.
fadethetrade 11 months ago
watch 2:33!
Will84ABA 1 year ago
all the stupid people who are comparing foreman and tyson....
watch 1:16 one Punch and he`s flying around
Will84ABA 1 year ago
had holyfield,lewis,bowe and foreman fought tyson in 1988,they would all lose and all the schmucks who hate tyson would still say,AHh,these guys were shitty fighters,not like the fighters who fought ali".. and on and on and on.ASSHOLES.Tysonin a 2 yr span was the best since Clay of 66.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
Idiots who hate tyson always knock him becuasse he didnt want to do it anymore after spinks. He would wipe away douglas,bowe ,holyfield,foreman and lewis between 86-88
fadethetrade 1 year ago
All these schmucks on youtube don't know shit about the science of what damato taught tyson.Tyson of 86-88 would kill this foreman.Tyson wpuld throw 5 punch combinations like he did with pinklon thomas,who would have outpointed this foreman. Everyone talking about foreman and cooper hitting harder then tyson.WHo cares,tyson in his 2 year prime reign 86-88, was scientifically better and had faster fiber twitching in his muscles that these two bozos would never be able to handle.
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade
This is not correct! Young Foreman will win against young Tyson...Tyson = Joe Frazier Style (PeekABoo).
And Tyson is overrated and has no mental power....
Will84ABA 1 year ago
@Will84ABA Frazier went 6 rounds in their second fight.Tyson in early 1988 was lightning explosive and foreman was floored by Ron Lyle who was not as explosive as tyson was back then.Rooney and Lott would have prepared tyson for the foreman shoving /uppercut style.I may agree with you but only foreman and 1965 Clay as the only two to beat that 2 yr span tyson 86-88.But watch the Lyle/foreman fight again.I don't know,I can see tyson going right after forman and we all know lyle decked him 4 times
fadethetrade 1 year ago
@fadethetrade 2 times, not 4 times. There's a few other things worth noting, namely that Foreman wasnt in good shape for that fight, and that Lyle was a puncher who could box (reasonably). It was always the boxers who gave Foreman trouble. Tyson-Foreman would be very different. It wouldnt be easy for Tyson to get past those big long arms of George, and Foreman was good at hitting moving targets with uppercuts, ie Tysons head.
apestaartje321 1 year ago
I would of loved to see tyson vs foreman that would of been a great fight
1diazsantana1 1 year ago
Low blow at 2:36
MstPrgmr 1 year ago
XionComrade 1 year ago
@XionComrade ...And look at how devastating his punches are! Now people can understand just what a monster Foreman was, and just how a Tyson-Foreman match would have gone, very badly.
XionComrade 1 year ago
miss tuesday nite fights on USA network....
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing cant believe sucker cooper quit after two beatdown rounds,he needed to watch ron lyle fire back!
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing Lol he was getting his ass kicked though, was deffinently going to be KTFO in the next round and George had at least 5 more left in him. Deffinently had some broken ribs from those body shots >.<
Lol look at that Foreman stare at 6:38, George never could stand the new age fighters because they sucked so bad compared to the 70s war heroes.
XionComrade 1 year ago
@XionComrade wow youre incredible, with one hard look you are reading all that into the situation?he never could sstand new age fighters? lol ..funny...never knew cooper was a nu age fighter...thought he was just a so so heavyweight fightin in the 90s...still for a real fighter to go out that way is hella weak......get out there and throw your best shot and if you get knocked down hard then perhaps fake the get up and stay downbut dont quit on the stool...DLH did it, Kostya Tszyu did it but stil
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing Vitali did it against Chris Byrd, another huge heavyweight joke :/ I consider Cooper a new age fighter, he had his ups and downs but was overall a good contender. George's second coming marked the new age, and the 70s would be "old" age fighters lol....George always complained about how the new fighters always ran from him and none of them ever actually fought like Ron Lyle, Norton, and Frazier would...This fight shows you why, George would quickly retire brawlers lol
XionComrade 1 year ago
@XionComrade u may be correct, id like to see that vitaly fight again, i hear u about ur new age old age categories, i guess holyfield would be a mixture of both, but he and a couple others in foremans second go around did rock big george too...peace.
flyinghotwing 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing Yeah now Holyfield was a true warrior! Lennox Lewis was in some serious scraps himself, their were a few fighters that had huge heart and skill, but not many at all...Holmes comes to mind, taking the shot of Earnie Shavers and coming back to win!
XionComrade 1 year ago
@flyinghotwing Show some respect for a warrior. Cooper had his ups and downs, but he was no sucker! He had great wars with Mercer, Cooper, Holyfield, and others.
treetoptop 1 year ago
Ernie Shavers was the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. All the greats who fought both him and foreman said Ernie hit harder.
handsomejoka 1 year ago
@handsomejoka hardest swinging maybe.coudnt punch properly.like foreman
HENRYHOBBS1 1 year ago
Even if Ernie Shavers had a little more power...
Was Ernie a champion? No
Did he ever have stamina? No
Did he have a good chin? NO
Foreman would have absorbed shavers punches and broke shavers fuckin head
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
@muclesmarinara
Shavers had a very good chin. He wasn't a champion because of his lack of stamina in the time of 15 round fights. He was a good 15 years ahead of his time.
That being said... I've never seen someone in a single punch effect Ali and Larry Holmes like Shavers did.
mrtrin 1 year ago
@mrtrin that's funny, i saw frazier and cooper do quite a bit more with one punch than shavers did in the whole fight. and they were fighting a prime ali, not an old washed up one.
and what do you mean 15 years ahead of his time? he fought in the golden age of heavyweight boxing, the division has been lacking ever since. are you saying he should have fought worse fighters?
Robstailey 1 year ago
@Robstailey
I'm saying if he were 15 years younger, he'd have been in the Post-Duk Koo Kim era, which meant that he'd have been in 12 rounders, and would've fared MUCH better than he did.
mrtrin 1 year ago
@mrtrin i don't think it'd make a real difference. shavers looked to knock a guy out ASAP, no matter how long the fight was scheduled. shavers doesn't have a single win past round 10 on his record. also, this only applies to championship fights anyway.
Robstailey 1 year ago
@Robstailey
You might be right.
But I still say Shavers was one of the hardest hitters of all time.
mrtrin 1 year ago
@mrtrin i'd never deny that, but it takes more than power to be a legend
Robstailey 1 year ago
@Robstailey
of course. Then again Mugabi is another fav. fighter of mine.
mrtrin 1 year ago
@Robstailey Im my channel I have one video of Holyfield saying that Old George was easily the hardest he was hit
I also have one from Quick Tillis saying that Shavers was easily the hardest hitter he ever faced, one from Ron Lyle, and a few from Muhammad Ali. Ken Norton and Jimmy Young had the same to say, but I have to find the source to make it official. Shavers was the hardest hitter on record, but was nothing the monster that George was. Shavers was a 3 round fighter, George a 8 rounder...
XionComrade 1 year ago
@XionComrade ...Shavers had a glass jaw, not a man in history that I can think of could KO Foreman, Shavers had the power to one hit Prime Foreman with ease but not the skill. Shavers had a overhand right and a looping left hook, Foreman had it all, especially the hardest jab I have ever seen(Got a video of him jabbing the heavy bag harder than Tyson could hay maker it!)For power its Shavers, for punching George is THE man, no other fighter embodies the term power puncher better IMHO.
XionComrade 1 year ago
that's your opinion, mrrrrrt, ali, lyle, norton, bugner all say shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. you should say: "and that's my opinion"
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corporation26 1 year ago
These people boo Cooper for quiting on the stool, but if any of them took just one shot from Foreman, they would have total empathy for Bert.
Maryjaneslave 1 year ago
@Maryjaneslave Exactly. I dont even blame Ali for leaning on the ropes for all those rounds. I dont blame Tommy Morrison for turning his back on George and running like a bitch. Foreman was too damn scary.
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
Foreman hit very hard .. poor Cooper didn't deserve that .. lol
boxingfanofthegame 1 year ago
Foreman would have eaten tysons punches. Then Big GF would launch the bombs. Down goes tyson!!!!
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
In the first 30 seconds of this video i could have swarn this was george foreman and mike tyson boxing each other.
segamania0986 1 year ago
If anyone thinks this Foreman would have beaten a fresh Tyson ia smoken like Bert Cooper.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
1:18 is just ridiculous. Granted the punch got blocked, but look where Cooper was standing before and where he ended up.
roombust 1 year ago
Big win for Foreman. Man, those were some heavy body blows and big upper cuts. How would you like to have Foreman bearing down on you like that? Cooper was a tough fighter.
frank47hammer 1 year ago