Chris Hedges condemns Israeli Gaza Massacre

[bassammaelborno]

5- Indeed, Zionists learned well.

[bassammaelborno]

4- Nazi, SS-Brigadeführer Jürgen Stroop, conducts the final attack, and proceeds to systematically & indiscriminately murder jewish civilians, as well as burn or blow up residential buildings, schools, and synagogues, block by block, between April 19 and April 23, 1943.

He later prepares a detailed record of the operation entitled 'The Jewish Quarter of Warsaw is No More' (Das jüdische Viertel von Warschau ist Nein Mehr), commonly referred to as 'The Stroop Report' (Der Stroop Bericht)

[gobuddyboy]

people who support terrorist israel are nazi or naive. israel destroyed everything in Gaza, from schools, to hospitals to Mousques to chicken farms. Please read the book by Norman Fenkelstine

[oldstock1607]

4:43 to 4:50. No, Chris, it's not a "wonder." They're Muslim, and being a Shahid is considered a great religious honor in that religion. Just like their historical and religious antipathy towards the Jews, Islam is truly at the root of this conflict.

[oldstock1607]

Propaganda at its finest. This man is just another white, western, leftist muslim sycophant who has absolutely no concept of what is actually happening in the Israeli/Palestine conflict. If you let people like this, with his saccharine tone and modern poetry delivery, convince you that his is a one-sided conflict in which the palestinians are just poor, defenseless waifs on a tempest-tossed sea of oppression, then you are feeble-minded indeed.

[SatchmoSings]

The Palestinians are among the fattest people on earth.

[PhilosopherSY]

Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein: The Gold Standard

[superhamzah85]

Egypt liberated, by the Egyptians - Rafah border opened.

Some of the best news since this speech.

[AnaMaghribi05]

god bless your likes Mr Hedges for speaking the truth.

[SatchmoSings]

Hedges remarks were lies over two years ago and with the passage of time this only becomes more and more apparent.

[superhamzah85]

@SatchmoSings

No - it was the truth, and the world recognized it, unanimously - Israel has since loosened up, now those responsbile need to be tried in court, and put in jail.

[SatchmoSings]

@superhamzah85 It's amazing how NGOs say this but not business people.

The world's non-NGOs all go to Israel to do business; meanwhile all these NGOs that you're so in love with can't even jawbone someone to go to any one of 22 Arab nations to even open a factory to sew doll clothes.

[SatchmoSings]

It's absolutely amazing how, after a year, none of these accusations has bourne out; this shows they weren't even true when he first proclaimed them.

[bapyou]

@theleftofsatan

"So much for the credibility of the NYTimes."

Chris Hedges does not work for the New York Times. He is an independent journalist. He gave up his job working for the TImes in 2003 when the Times tried to tell him what he could and could not say in public. What Hedges has few American journalists have these days: principles.

Given the foregoing, your comment about Hedges and the NYT means absolutely nothing. Hedges speaks for himself and those without a voice.

[greatesteva14]

fuckkkk obama ..dis dude shud b president

[TheArbiter74]

Capitol of Israel= Washington D.C. The assualt on Gaza was OUR tax dollars & the average american rube does not know this!!!

[Xevorim]

It's hard to speak the truth in the US, a modern civilized democratic country.

God protect you from all those zionists and pro-zionists.

[SimonBolivarX]

"It is not a war, it's murder"...right on, it 's genocide...Rage!.  Thank you for posting, more people need to know this.

[abdulrashid88]

GOD BLESS YOU AND PROTECT U

[boys2601]

This man deserves all respect and gratitude; not only him but all those who speak out to the truth. Of course Zionists committing genocide in Gaza; and through their economic and media power they are the once terrorizing the whole world and creating great enmity and distrust on mankind. May Allah, the almighty, deal with them.

[ThunderDog97]

Thank You for posting this video

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Thank You Chris Hedges with all my respect

Thanks to each and every one of the many others who do whatever they can however large or small, to share the truth about Palestine - Thank you all.

Keep working to save the innocent Palestinians from the genocide being perpetrated against them.

FREE GAZA

FREE PALESTINE

Prosecute zionist war criminals

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[bigcree]

Indeed, the 'Operation Cast Lead' is MURDER. Period. And they dare call it a "War". It`s not War. It`s MURDER. Murder, Genocide and Barbarism of the most loathsome kind by Invaders who have no legitimate claim to Palestine. Ashkenazi Murderers.

[FREEW0RLD2012]

You said it true bigcree: Ashkenazi Murderers!

[TheSpiaire]

You wouldn't find Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens doing this.

Good on Chris Hedges.

[mamagood]

This is whatt true journalism IS! On the other hand, the main stream media, which's owned by many powerfull individuals who are owned by politicians does not want you to see this. It's no wonder that something relevant as this video has below 6000 views, while other stupid videos such as janet jackson's breast have over hundreds of thousands. Morally infuriating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stillyouturnmeon]

I wish Chris Hedges will also speak out for the Georgians.More of us were killed in Georgia by Russian than palestinians in Gaza.

[FREEW0RLD2012]

Stillyouturn:Hey BRAIN TRUST! This is a video about P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-E. You want to make a MOVIE about Georgia,you are free to do so.Othewise;S-T-F-U.

[bigcree]

Thankyou FREE. It is everything we face now. THE ISSUE of the Millennium. PALESTINE. All others take a back seat.

[FREEW0RLD2012]

I try bigcree not to let my temper let loose on the lemmings..but I simply detest them when they try to avert attention AWAY from video being viewed.And you are most correct my friend as always.

[bigcree]

I too feel as you. Lemming Legions of Zionist Dupes and FOOLS always try and divert, distract and disrespect the Speaker, Presentor and Poster of Topic here. It is not only rude, but futile and unacceptable behavior. We are not to trifled with, especially concerning Israel`s War Crimes and other crimes against humanity.

[SatchmoSings]

@FREEW0RLD2012 @MaryJo1950 In other words, you're only interested when Jews kill Muslims; when anyone else does it (and I can't even begin to imagine how you'd feel about Muslim-on-Muslim violence) it garners a big S-T-F-U.

It's nice to see how you value human life.

[SatchmoSings]

@Stillyouturnmeon Hedges is not interested in what's happened to Georgians nor Chechens; he's only interested in what JEWS do and therein lies a major key to understanding this son-of-a-bitch filth.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Yawn. Perhaps Hedges focues on the Middle East because that is the area he is most familiar with, the part of the world that his journalism focuses the most on. However, you are apparently one of those simple minded people who equates any criticism of Israeli policies and actions with anti-semitism. You actually deminish true anti-semitism and the horrors it has wrought in history by so easily and junjustly acussing others of it.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 Most of what Hedges discusses in this video is nonsense and especially so after two years have passed since "Operation Cast Lead;" none of his predictions, or more correctly, extrapolations have come to pass.

Most criticisms of Israel are not criticisms; they are demonization so yes, that makes Hedges, and you too, Jew-haters.

You're failure to discuss Israel in terms of "RealPolitik" is about the best thing Israel has going for it because it makes it possible to ignore you.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Thank you for proving my point. In your limited mind any criticism of Israel equals anti-semitisim. What makes Israel so special that it should be immune from criticism? I criticise other countries and policies I disagree with and that's fine. Criticise Israel and people like you start screaming anti-semitism. You have no idea what my views on any other issues or countries are.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 02. Oh, and by the way, "genius," if you look at the recent Arab protests for more responsive government, especially in Egypt, there is a huge Jew-hating element to it that the mainstream media isn't showing you.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Actually "genius" if you used your brain a bit you would see that in Egypt it was the regime and its thugs who started spreading stories that foreigners - including Israeli and other Jews - were behind the unrest and stiring it up to discredit those demanding the end of the regime. It didn't work.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings I suppose if someone points out that colonizing occupied lands or for a state to move it's citizens to occupied territory is a violation of international law- something that is clear and recognized by the majority of governments around the world - makes one an anti-semite in your view. Also pointing out that it is a policy that just stirs up more resentment and trouble is anti-semetic in your view too.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings If one goes back further and mentions the bombing of the King David Hotel and calls it what it was - an act of terrorism - that would probably set you off too. What do you say of Jews who also criticise Israeli policies? I assume you label them as "self hating Jews"? I for one would like to see peace in the world, you, however, apparently enjoy seeing blood spilled, death, desctruction and war - at least for certain peoples.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 The King David Hotel was an act against the British military, not against civilians so your analogy fails; let Hamas attack the Israeli military, rather than terrorizing civilians.

Yes, Noam Chomsky and Norman Finklestein are self-loathing Jews, as are the 10% of Jewish Israelis who were against Operation Cast Lead.

If you want peace, tell the Arab countries to become true Republics and I can assure you, that will never happen.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings No it does not fail. One can carry out acts of terror against military or government. By your analysis then the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon was not an act of terror as well. Thank you for proving my point: in your narrow view any and all criticism of Israeli policy = anti-semitism. Unlike you I will codemn all acts of terror and unjustified aggresion regardless of who commits them.

[blackeagle989444]

@MaryJo1950 /watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU

[MaryJo1950]

@blackeagle989444 Very interesting video, thank you for sharing it.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 You don't do that; you and I know that; you're only interested when Israel "does" this.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Not true. You, however, have made it clear with your excuses for the terror of people like Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir that your only condemn one side and only praise the other side and smear any one who doesn't agree with you or calls you out for your double standards as an anti-semite.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 I have made no such remark concerning these two individuals, and it should be obvious, even to an idiot such as yourself, these men were arrested and punished, unlike your Arab friends who all get REWARDED for killing Jews.

So much for "double-standards."

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Indeed you did make such statements, offering excuses for their actions. I recall a number of extremists attempted to erect a monument for Goldstein and many praise him and Amir as heros. Something I doubt you would condemn those people for doing. You are just a hate filled person set on demonizing all one side of the issue and making excuses for the extremists on the other side of the issue.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 I have never made statements offering any excuses for these two; maybe you can show me where I did.

Also, I do believe we've met before; I seem to recall you inability to have a profile up; you do not do so because you are a coward and therefore filth.

You are a firm believer in double-standards; you are in love with Arab terrorists that kill Jews.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings Go read your previous comments, you certainly did offer excuses and you know it. Of course anyone who doesn't tow your line is a terrorist supporter. Any one who doesn't simply point out the wrongs of one side, but both, is in your view a terrorist supporter. You are the one who is love with the deaths of certain people, not I. You're just a slimy little propagandist peddling the myth that one side is all bad and the other side all good - an impossible scenario.

[MaryJo1950]

@SatchmoSings I've talked to many Israelis personally who also criticse their government quite vocally. All extremists & their supporters regardless of their "cause" have similar psychologies. They paint their side as all good, paint the whole of another group as bad & dehumanize them. That's you. Don't pretend that you care about human life, depending on what group you place someone in you clearly think the lives of some are less important.

[SatchmoSings]

@MaryJo1950 I do not speak with low-life cowards who keep their profiles blocked.

[Sockevollpopcorn1]

@SatchmoSings maybe because this war`s are not sponsored by american Tax-dollars.

[Stillyouturnmeon]

I wish arabs in general could have a better life,but even in their own countrys they hate and kill each other.

[jyuja]

God bless Chris Hedges for being the beautiful and eloquent face of what honourable journalism should be. This is in contrast with the pro-Israel lies and distortions repeated ad nauseam by Israeli spokespersons and their morally corrupt allies in the West!

[Antarblue]

Yes it is not war. it is ultimate technological terrorism. The state of Israel is ironically Hitler's legacy to the world!

[Stillyouturnmeon]

Amin al Husseini wikipedia

[EasyEs]

We forget that the grand mufti of Jerusalem sent these same Palestinian boys into of Europe in world war 2 to help prop of the murderous machine that seeked to eradicate the jews from the face of the earth. But sure Chris it is a different hatred today.

[Pict1013]

And of course lets not forget israels own romance with the nazis vis a vis shamir and his LEHI scum promising to fight the british on behalf of the nazis ........this douchebag became a pm of israel!!!

[Stillyouturnmeon]

Amin al Husseini wikipedia

[hamdyasem]

This is a fair speech.

[aadejumo]

gr8 speech

[msmcis]

Dido!

[jim56o45]

This dude is an idiot. Hamas and the PLO state in their charters that Israel must be destroyed. Nothing less than the death of all the Jews will satisfy them.

If Israel was a quarter as evil as Hedges makes it out to be, the so called "Palestinians" would all have been dead years ago.

[msmcis]

When anti-Semites like Chris Hedges will love themselves more than they hate Jews, they will realize that while they were defending Muslims, Muslims have been invading and converting the world to Islam. When that day comes, anti-Semites will understand the necessity of keeping Islamic terrorism under control and will no longer condemn Israel for defending herself. The only problem is that by the time the world wakes up to Global Islamic Invasion and Conversion, it will be too late.

[msmcis]

The driving force to such talk is anti-Semitism. If any other country was under terrorist attack like Israel, no one would ever criticise that country's actions.

[simply2ghetto]

What a pernicious state of mind! This ardent conflation of anti-zionism and anti-semitism is one of the major stumbling blocks to political progress in Israel/Palestine. Worse, anyone who even takes a prod at this kind of argument is instantly labelled anti-semitic.

[msmcis]

What else would you call a man who accuses Israel of ethnically cleansing Muslims, when there are 1.5 million of them living and working in Israel, who have social rights equal to any other Israeli? I think anti-Semitic is quite appropriate!

Would you ever question France if she began attacking Muslim terrorists living there? God knows they have caused more damage in France that any other group of people...

[kayfabepro]

1. Ethnic cleansing has been a part of Israeli policy since before the 'Jewish State of Israel' ever existed. It was said, after all, by the fascist Zionist, David Ben Gurion "We must expel the Arabs and take their place".

2. Israeli Arabs do not have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's within Israel. Israeli Arabs are routinely denied the right to own or lease property.

3. Tzipi Livni said recently "I will also approach the Palestinian residents of Israel, those whom we call Arab Israeli's,

[kayfabepro]

and tell them: 'your national aspirations lie elsewhere.'" Sounds like a plan for ethnic cleansing.

4. Your knowledge, or should I say, lack of knowledge of French history is embarrasing. All I will say is, have you never heard of Robespierre?

[msmcis]

In effort to making yourself sound knowledgeable about French history, you've made a complete ass of yourself! I am writing about current affairs and not about the French revolution. I am writing about a hypothetical instance where the French would attack modern-day Muslim terrorists within their county. You know? Those who throw bombs into restaurants, rape French women, loot and turn over cars whenever something is displeasing to Muslims. Would you condemn the French for fighting back?

[kayfabepro]

"Would you ever question France if she began attacking Muslim terrorists living there? God knows they have caused more damage in France that any other group of people... " You were referencing Muslims and never specified a specific time period. I referenced the Jacobins, though not by name. I could have referenced Cesar if I wanted to.

Moreover, why try to use a French hypothetical when you have an example in Palestine? (I also note that you don't dispute any of the evidence I provided.)

[msmcis]

I didn't dispute your so called 'evidence' because it is not evidence at all, but rather hearsay? You know nothing about Israel. I 'll bet you've never been here. You think everything you hear Muslims say about Israel is true? If you do, than you are foolish! Don't you realize that one of the greatest Islamic goals is the destruction of Israel? They will do and say anything to achieve that goal. By the way, see a reliable atlas, you'll find there is no such place as 'palestine.'

[kayfabepro]

There are so many fallacies contained within your writing that I hardly know where to start, but I think I'll have a go any way.

Fistly, I'll point out that that which you stupidly refer to as "hearsay" is a collection of direct quotations from Israeli politicians and terrorists, and here are some more:

1. Menachem Begin called Palestinians "two-legged beasts"

2. Golda Mier said "There is no such thing as a Paletinian", etc.

[msmcis]

There is no such people as 'palestinians.' It is a made-up name derived from Plishtime (Philistine - better know as Greek invaders about 3000 years ago.) Muslims living here use that name because they have no true identity.

Two-legged beasts is a compliment. I call them inbred gypsy moths.

Direct quotation gathered by whom? Muslims? More Islamic propaganda to make them seem like victims. What do you suppose Muslims call us? Do you not think they have condescending names for Jews?

[msmcis]

The great Golda Mier also said: 'There will be peace in the Middle-East when Muslims will love their children more than they hate Jews.'

How true! The fact that Hamas terrorists hide behind children and women doesn't seem to bother you, but the fact that Israel defends herself against those terrorists does. This is what you believe to be ethnic cleansing.

...and you think you have a clear picture and understanding of these barbarians disguised with innocents.

[kayfabepro]

Keep talking! I can make you look like a fool but you are much more capable of making yourself look like a fool than I. Not only are you a fool, but a fascist, your comments and associations are proof of that.

[msmcis]

You are anti Semitic! You can't stand that we are defending ourselves. There is nothing you would prefer more than to see us destroyed.

[kayfabepro]

I have said, and say now, that that sounds like a policy of ethnic cleansing.

More importantly, you have now accused me, as you accused somebody in an earlier post, of being anti semitic.

The fact that you have no evidence to back up that assertion doesn't seem to trouble you, and nor willl you find any because there is no evidence.

[msmcis]

Your being here and writing what you have written is enough evidence that you are indeed anti Semitic. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind. As a Jew, I can spot one from miles away. You reek of anti Semitism. The stench could kill me. Can you prove you are not?

...and now it only 'sounds' like ethnic cleansing? You mean you are not sure?

[kayfabepro]

No no enough with the ad hominem, it is for you to prove, and you cannot because I am not anti semitic. Accusing opponents of anti semitism is merely your fallback position, and more to the point you know that is the case.

Though, seen as you are accusing me of anti semitism, provide a statement, a quote that I have made that is anti semitic.

And yes I do believe wholeheartidly that Livni has plans for ethnic cleansing.

[msmcis]

You never answered my question either: Would you condemn the French for fighting terrorism within their country?

[kayfabepro]

It is an old and irrelevant, and meaningless question, thrown out earlier by me, but France is not occupying anybody else's land and, as of this moment, is not involved in the external oppression of anyone.

Maybe you should answer the question: do the victims of oppression have the right to resist that very oppression?

[msmcis]

Israel is not 'occupying' either. This country never belonged to the Muslims living here. It was a British mandate, before that, a state of the Ottoman Empire, before that, a state of (Byzantine,) Roman Empire, before that Greek Empire.

History shows clearly that Muslims living here never rules this state.

The oppressed do not have ammunition and a terrorist group leading them to self destruction.

Anything else?

[kayfabepro]

Israel is not occupying the West Bank, you say? I've never heard that before. So, what are all of those soldiers down their doing, with their rifles and all.

Moreover, seen as I have declared what my preferred outcome to the solution is, maybe you should too, or we can continue ad infinitum.

[msmcis]

Yes, that is what I say. Israel is not 'occupying' Yehuda ve Shomron (Judah and Samaria.) Well now you've heard it for the first time! Wow!

The soldiers are there to see that none of those barbarians enter Israel with bombs, as they seem to love being suicide bombers.

My preferred outcome would be never to have been born in Israel and never to have been born Jewish!

[kayfabepro]

And if you are to use that argument, though the Ottomans were, and the Turks are, Muslims, you could therefore also argue that the Jews never ruled in the region either and do not to this day. Instead, it was the rule of the Romans and is noe the rule of the Americans, whom the Israeli's are dependent on, but answer my previous point.

[msmcis]

The Turks are not all Muslim, and they were much less so during the Ottoman Empire. Most were Christian. What do you call the Jewish Kings of Israel who ruled before the Roman invasion? Are the Israeli PM and President American? So what if Israel depends on the United States, what does that prove?

[kayfabepro]

All you actually need to do in referance to Israel/Palestine is ask, in relation to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, who are the oppressed and who is the oppressor?

It's Pirates & Emperors my friend, and, in addition, it is you who is the ass.

[msmcis]

Oppressors don't have ammunition and a terrorist group leading them to self-destruction.

The last thing you should consider me is your 'friend.' U seem to be under the impression that Israel needs to defend herself against critics like you. Watch the media and you will find that rare is the time when Israel will defend her actions, simply because Israel has a clear conscience - Unlike Muslims who always feel the need to make excuses. The only existing conflict is the one Islam has with Jews!

[kayfabepro]

Secondly, I think it is worth pointing out that Menachem Begin was called a "fascist" by Albert Einstein, one of the worlds most famous Jews; I'd also point out that it was the Jewish Member of Parliament for Manchester-Gorton who recently admonished the Israeli Government for "acting like Nazi's". Maybe that's just more "hearsay".

Thirdly, I don't know which "media" you are watching but I could immediately pull up video clips fom this very site, which feature Israeli Governments spokesmen

[msmcis]

You win!

[msmcis]

Wait a few years! If there are no more Muslims living in or around Israel, then you will be correct about the ethnic cleansing crap. If they are still around and multiplying rapidly as they have been, providing Israel still exists then you will be the greater fool. For now let us end this stupid back and forth because, as you well know, being as intelligent and well-read as you are, neither of us can do anything about this situation. In the meantime, go on feeling great about yourself.

[kayfabepro]

attempting --and failing to -- defend the indefensible: all that is needed is the name Mark Regev.

Now, I am not your friend and if you think that I was actually referring to you as a friend then sarcasm is lost on you.

Now, you are technically right to say that there is no Palestinian state, it does not exist, and it does not exist because of the mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, which many Israeli's openly admit happened.

[msmcis]

There are 1.5 million Muslims living in Israel proper and about a million living in Gaza. What ethnic cleansing are you writing about? Why is it taking over 60 years?

[kayfabepro]

I have written about the ethnic cleansing that is known to have taken place in 1947-8, which is accepted history as far as even Israeli's are concerned. Now, I know full well that circa 1.5 million Arabs live in Israel -- though they do not have equal rights -- I also know that Israel's Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, said recently "I will also be able to approach the Palestinian residents of Israel, those whom we call Arab Israelis, and tell them: 'your national aspirations lie elsewhere.'"

[msmcis]

Muslims living in Israel have equal rights. I work with many of them in archaeological excavations.

What Livni means is that she believes Muslims should have their own state. What is wrong with that?

[kayfabepro]

1. No they do not have equal rights. Can an Arab live where ever he wants to within Israel? Buy land where ever he wants? Can an Arab emmigrate to Israel if he is not a Jew?

2. Tzipi Livni, in her comments, is essentially saying to 1.5 million people who live with in Israel, that they are not of the right Race and/or Religion and so should leave Israel as part of a final peace settlement. If that is not racism then what is?

[msmcis]

1- I live in a small and predominantly Jewish town. There are Muslim homeowners living here just like everyone else. Where did you get the idea that Muslims with Israeli citizenship can't buy land and homes?

2- That is your interpretation of what Livni is saying? Perhaps you can write and ask her what she means.

[kayfabepro]

1. Interesting that you said "Muslims with Israeli citizenship". Can an Arab who is not a Jew, move to Israel and purchase land and/or property?

2. Prove my anti semitism. Please!

3. Are you an Israeli?

4. Are you living in Israel?

[msmcis]

1- Can an Israeli move to a Muslim country and buy land and/or property?

2- You're doing a fine job all by yourself. You are welcome.

3-Yes

4-Yes

[kayfabepro]

I know of no restrictions preventing Jews from moving to well any country. Maybe there are some, but none that I am aware of.

Now, your fall back position is obviously to accuse opponents of anti semitism. So I'm absolutely begging you to prove my anti semitism, please prove it! A quote. An analogy. Anything.

[msmcis]

Now you choose not to be aware. Interesting!

That's very anti Semitic of you.

Can I buy land and a home in, say, Syria? Lebanon? Iraq? Iran? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Sudan? Libya? Please, tell me when to stop...

Do you know that we have Vietnamese boat people, Chinese, Filipino, Thai, Sudanese (Muslims who were turned away from Egypt after escaping from Sudan) and Ethiopian (many none-Jewish) refugees living here, among many other nationalities?

Keep begging. It suits you very well.

[kayfabepro]

Nice to see that an apparently fifty-one year-old man needs to bring a buddy along. Is this your friend who posted a fascist message on your page, glorying in the mass-murder of Palestinians, or someone else?

Now, there are in many of the countries of the Middle East, they're small but they're there, so I presume you must be able to. Do you know of any restrictions on your right to move to Israel? Because, in actual fact Syria tried everything it could to prevent a decline in its

[msmcis]

Well, your presumption is totally wrong. Look it up! I, as an Israeli, would never be permitted to enter, much less purchase land or a home in the countries I have mentioned.

There are 22 Muslim countries in the world and only one Jewish country, which you would love to see destroyed.

[kayfabepro]

You did say earlier that the Muslim population is growing faster than that of the Jewish population, and you asked why. I can only presume that your father never tought you about the facts of life, but I'd have to say there doing a lot more fucking. Maybe Arabs have bigger dongs than Jews, I don't know.

[msmcis]

Let out the anti Semitism! Let it all hang out!

[kayfabepro]

Here we are at your fall back position again. So, I'll say again, prove my anti semitism.

[msmcis]

Thank God my father didn't teach me, considering I'm a woman. I guess Muslims have the energy and desire to fuck while living in Israel. Perhaps life is not as bad for them as you seem to think. It is quite obvious that you are the one who has not been taught very well. You seem to think that women can only get impregnated by big penises.

[kayfabepro]

Jewish population.

[kayfabepro]

You're a woman? Here I thought you were some kind of intestinal parasite living inside of the comatose, obese and erstwhile Israeli leader.

Moreover, your wrong, I just heard that Israeli men had tiny weenies. I do, though, see, that you are keen to deny manliness, though not fascism, or friendship with those who glorify mass murder.

[kayfabepro]

On the other hand, you are right -- and it is one of the few things, infact it may be the only thing you've been right about -- there has been historically mass anti semitic feeling throughout, in particular the West, and I'm guessing there still is, but your argument is based on a fallacy because most of the worlds Jews live in the United States.

[msmcis]

Most of the Jews living in the US are originally Ashkenazim and come from Eastern Europe. They only left because of their poor life condition.

[kayfabepro]

Personally, I would like to see you try and back up your accusation of anti semitism, seen as you were the one who put it out there.

[msmcis]

You are doing a fine job all by yourself. Keep up the good work. It is coming out bit by bit!

[kayfabepro]

Oh let me guess, by questioning the exculsive right of Jews to the biblical land of Israel, which was promised to them by the estate agent that is God (a non-existant being) I am somehow anti semitic. That's it isn't it. Palestine is for the Jews, who are making a great sacrifice in allowing Palestinians to breath the same air as them. Isn't that your racist and niave little perception of things.

[msmcis]

You wrote that, not I. You answered your own question. I don't believe in any religion - not even Jewish. It has absolutely nothing to do with it, but you however, never let us forget that we are Jewish. That is the reason why we need a country of our own. If there was no anti Semitism, there would be no need for Israel in the first place. It is the very thing you say you are not, that drove us into this country. Otherwise, we would have been fine everywhere. You really are anti Semitic.

[kayfabepro]

I put it to you that you are a racist Jewish fanatic, who no doubt lives in the West Bank and who maybe still likes to dream of clearing all of the Muslims out of Lebanon, Syrian, Jordan and Eygpt in order to create a 'Greater Israel'.

Am I close?

[kayfabepro]

up my assertion, though it obviously has not happened yet.

[msmcis]

Oh! So now it took place in 1947-8. You mean it is not taking place now? Are we writing about the past or the present? Who cleansed who? Again, why is this ethnic cleansing taking over 60 years? The Germans managed to do it in 7, most of it in the last 2 years of WWII. If Jews are ethnically cleaning Muslims, then why is the Muslim population growing faster than that of the Jews?

[kayfabepro]

You really are getting tiresome. I have said throughout that the ethnic cleansing that did take place, took place in 1947-8. Moreover, I am also saying that Tzipi Livni, Israel's Foreign Minister, has expressed her desires to see Arab-Israeli's removed from Israel, and have used quotations to substantiate my claims. To add to the latter point, I am certainly of the believe that Livni has expressed desires to see the ethnic cleansing of Arab-Israeli's from Israel, and I have used a quote to back

[msmcis]

Lieberman said he would like to see all Muslims removed from Israel, but he did not win and has no power to do anything about it. Livini, on the other had, would like to help create a 'Palestine.' Or should we not do that? We are really getting confused about what Muslims really want. I am glad I am tiring you out!

You still didn't answer my question: If Jews are ethnically cleansing Muslims, why is it taking over 60 years & why is the Muslim population growing faster than that of the Jews?

[kayfabepro]

It's purely your stupidity that is tiring me out, and I've already answered your latter question. Bigger Dongs.

You can help create a Palestinian state in the occupied territories if you want, and I'm presuming you mean an independent state with an army, navy and no Israeli presence on Palestinian land whatsoever. That, I guess, would be ok with me. Though, I do prefer the one state solution myself, seen as there are 1.5 million Arabs in Israel and plenty of Jews in the O.T.

[msmcis]

You must be even more stupid than I am if you are taking the time to answer. We already have a one state solution. Muslims live here don't they? It is those who oppose Israel's very existence that we have a conflict with. Now, you're so smart, how would you convince those barbarians to come live with us? How can you convince us to want to live with them?

[kayfabepro]

Yes I, and the Edward Said proffesor of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia University are stupid for wanting a one state solution that, according to you, already exists.

Seen as you are being truculent I will clarify. I believe that the Palestinians and the Israeli's should live together in one state, stretching from the river to the sea, that is multi-ethnic, secular and democratic, and not based on any kind of racist or exclusive policies.

I do not support that state which is considered by

[msmcis]

You think because someone is a professor, he is automatically correct? How stupid! He is even more of an idiot than you are if he thinks the two people can get along after all the hatred between us. That would be like asking you to come live in Israel. Would you do it? I would never want to live where you do!

[kayfabepro]

And, your right, I would not be able to live in what is an apartheid state.

[msmcis]

You ought to know better than anyone. The British formed the meaning of the word apartheid, and Israel is far from it.

[kayfabepro]

people like Jimmy Carter to be an apartheid state.

[msmcis]

Good for Jimmy Carter. Was he actually alive when he wrote that book?

[kayfabepro]

What if one of your Arab-Israeli colleagues is told by Livni that he must leave Israel because he is not a Jew, and he refuses to go. What do you then presume would happen?

[kayfabepro]

The accusation of anti semitism, when used by people like you, amounts to nothing more than a phrase used by Zionists in the hope of deflecting genuine criticism, but it does not work on me.

If you want to accuse me of anti semitism you are going to have to back it up with fact.

[msmcis]

Ah! I've been waiting for that Zionist comment to come up. You have no clue about the meaning of that name and you never will. Your criticism is genuine alright, but your accusations are false. When someone like you insists on accusing a Jew of being Zionist, thinking it is an insult, then you are clearly anti Semitic. That is a fact!

[Summertimeman25]

The full truth is both governments were looking to change the elections, and the only victims are the innocent children and people in the streets, where the heck is the JUST???

[ME2UDL]

Clemalford part 2 - Jordan was carved out of the land promised to the Jews by the League of Nations. Jordan didn't become an independent nation until 1948 same as Israel. Why don't you question their right to exist? Syria and Iraq are also recent creations.

[msmcis]

If Israel is looking to "ethnically cleans" Muslims, then why are there 1.5 million Muslims living in Israel proper? These Muslims have Israeli passports and every single social right like any Jewish and Christian Israeli.

[ME2UDL]

Fayez60 you are a victim of Arab lies and have twisted truth on its head. Israel left Gaza and turned over intact a viable industry which exported millions of dollars of organics to Europe. Instead of using the facilities to prosper they destroyed them and used the land to fire rockets into Israel which proves that they are murderously committed to their obsession-the elimination of Israel and the death of its citizens. Israel needs to keep them under tight control. It isself defense.

[Fayez60]

Chris Hedges is speaking the truth. May God make more people to stand up and speak the truth about the Israeli crimes against the Palestinians. Israel is not interested in peace, only interested in taking more land and keeping the Palestinians in ghettos. Yes Israel finally Israel left Gaza in 2005 but turn it into an open prison. The only language Israel understand is the language of the gun. Palestinians have the right to resist the occupation just like so many nations before them.

[clemalford]

Let's set up a new 'nation' somewhere in the world based on some ancient concept of divine right, maybe USA or somewhere in Europe and see what the outcomes are!!!

[ME2UDL]

Clemalford- The Arab world which believes it has a divine right to the whole Middle East, Spain and anywhere they once dominated and fully intend to dominate again. There are no countries as xenophobic and racist as the Arab world in which slavery, though officially outlawed, still thrives.. In Saudi Arabia for example it is dangereous and illegal for Christians or Jews to worship or build churches.

[clemalford]

Saudi has an extrememly reactionary Wahbe form of Islam which is supported by USA and UK and probably some other European states. Actually all this politicising of Islam is caused by the middle east crisis and the neo cons in Washington worrying about there oil supplies and arms sales. Israel is a US client state. It would not exist without America. I can't see how brutalising innocents in Gaza is going to resolve the conditions of those in Palestine. The oppresed becomes the oppressor maybe??

[gijoeler]

Chris Hedges speaks the truth.

[ME2UDL]

Instead of making cryptic statements- rebut the specifics and speak diectly to the issues. We are not interested in how you vote- but how you think.

[ME2UDL]

Hedges speaks of collective punishment but said nothing about the thousands of rockets fired into southern Israel over many years especially since the unilateral Israeli pullout from Gaza in 2005 which was supposed to bring peace. He has nothing to say about the Charter of Hamas and the PLO before them which dedicates Gazans to the elimination of Israel , wars and non-stop terrorism and murder emanating from Gaza and the West Bank. This renders him a liar and a propagandist.

[Mikietroop]

shut the fuck up you zionist

[msmcis]

I guess you must assume that calling someone a 'zionist" is an insult, when in fact, it is the highest complement you can pay to any Jewish person.

[ME2UDL]

Ah MIKIETROOP- How sad it must be to be you and thank you for helping make my point.. Certainly you are no defender of free speech- I guess you have no understanding at all of our Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Get an education and get your mouth out of the sewer.

[jim56o45]

I will assume that since you cannot refute what ME2UDL stated, you will simply tell him to shut up. Long live Israel, down with Islamic supremacism.

[msmcis]

Here, here! Written most intelligently and eloquently. I couldn't have put it better myself.  You are to be commended.

[hypnofan35]

It's all part of the dishonesty of the Pecuniary wars. Who is going to walk away with the biggest pile in life. It is human weakness. We try to stay alive, and other people try to kill or enslave. They will cheat you, they might kill you, but will threaten as much. It is more of a war of power lust or class war. GW doesn't care about anybody's welfare but his own. People who wear suits have a strong tendency to be like that, and become more like that as they have "successes".

[ME2UDL]

Hynofab35 You're so far off base that it is hardly worth replying. Your hatred for GW blinds you to all the nuances and history of this deep and complex issue. Your myopia will keep you ignorant. Overcome it.