I'm not a Christian anymore -- and to be honest, it's pretty hard to describe what I am right now -- but you have a fairness of attitude in approaching things that I've rarely seen among both people who have faith and people who don't. Heck, I've been trying for a long time to cultivate fairmindedness and I think you still have me beat by a ways. I really respect that. You've earned yourself a subscriber, my friend.
I held my grandfathers hand when he died, but it was an incredibly beautiful experience for me. Death is an inevitability that we all face, so I don't see the point of resisting it. It is merely the reciprocal of birth... together creating the equilibrium of humanity.
It never ceases to amaze me how subjective the human experience is for all of us.
You are one of the more enlightened Christians on youtube, I see.
On abortion - it's not an actual person's life yet; nature (and the woman) has not invested as much in it yet. Think about it - if you don't grant the woman the right over her own body and how she should organize her life, you may be depriving another child (or children) that this woman may have, when she is ready, having had education, found the man she loves; and bring up in a lot better circumstances and give a better life.
Reasonable but making drugs illegal doesn't work when you give a teen rules what will they do? BREAK THEM! Lol, and abortion I wouldn't count the developing baby as a living person children can't think about what it is or even think rationally about what is what until their 7 - 9
That does not mean that the rule is flawed, it means the teen has problems that need to be dealt with. I don't think you can rationally justify elimintaing the lives of the irrational.
WOW, I'm an atheist, but none the less I really respect you answer about gay marriage. Despite that fact that you think that homosexuality is wrong (which I disagree with), you don't let your personal views get in the way of civil right of others. I can respect that :) . and I also don't like abortion ether. I think it's a sad thing. I got a kid coming in April next year. After seeing the ultrasound I can't imagine aborting him or her.
Congrats on the baby... my wife and I just had our 4th back in July. We are beyond blessed. He's quite the little brute too. It's already his house and he's only 3 months old.
Thanks for the respect too... it is much appreciated. I have taken some crap in the past, from both atheist and theist, about my belief on gay marriage. I'm glad others share in that belief.
No, it was just a thought. I had hoped that my subs would be creative and think of some better things. If you scan over this comment section, you'll see that I have done my best to, several times, say that I do not think it's a good idea or one worth pursuing. It was just a thought.
One of the more rational views on gay marriage that I have seen from a Christian, well done.
That being said, it is ironic that you are of a pacifist mind, and worship a deity that has commanded murder quite a bit in the Bible. Just saying that if you are of the opinion that taking a life is NEVER justified, I think you have some reading and reflecting to do yet.
Been there, done that. God has not asked me to kill anyone. And I have some serious thoughts on what would happen if he did. It might make for a good video someday.
Got votebotted a couple weeks back. The only way to save all my vids was to disable the ratings. Hopefully one day I can reinstate the ratings. Thank you very much for the respect though! Much appreciated.
Pretty sure that Dawkins knows how to use the simple past and relative clauses, mate. Just as a bit of constructive criticism and nothing more, these sorts of punchlines tend to be more impressive when the only eloquent word in them isn't misspelled. ;P
I am actually an accomplished speller and have often corrected the spelling
(and grammar) of others when they do not seem to know the proper spelling. Mine was simply a case of "fat fingering" the keyboard and not proofreading before I hit the "Post Comment" button. A mistake that I will surely not make again as I am not yet used to taking my own medicine.
You were an atheist because you didn't care, not because you'd researched the God idea and found it to not provide real proof, tho?
You're not acting like Shawn or Kirk Cameron about it, so I'm not gonna say much, but it seems a little dishonest to claim you were an atheist in the same vain as most atheists.
I freely admit that I was only an atheist by definition, not by choice or because of some research. I would say thought that it falls into the same category of those who call themselves Christian simply because they think there's a God and they know some Christians. They have no real claim t obe called Christian any more than I had to be called an atheist.
why would I need to put my "mug" on youtube to debate you? destroy me like so many others, really? I thought you used to be an atheist? you have to abandon the logic atheism provides in order to sustain the christian view point on these subjects...thats why it requires faith...so if you want to destroy my logic with faith then by all means go ahead, but you couldn't call it a debate. sidenote* so if you post a video, no one with a differing opinion is suppose to comment or they are a troller?
Because a debate also means you have t oput forth arguments, not just ridicule of others and praise of yourself. To do so... with all you logic and reson, you need to do so in a form that all others can see and expose yourself to the same criticism that you hide behind.
I personally don't care if gays get married or if people marry animals or even inanimate objects.. Come to think of it, I wouldn't even care if people started killing themselves right now. It's their problem. Making it illegal to marry a dog isn't going to stop freaks from lusting after them and.. doing things.
Also, we're running out of space in this world. Let the idiots kill themselves with their aids and God-given diseases.
this has got my vote for dumbest ideas...seeing his granfather die has changed his stance on captiol punishment? he would be in favor of drug use if people were more responsible? and i guess these "death row" prisoners are retarded b/c how many times are you gonna get away with tricking them about their death before they catch on? I can now see why you didn't stick to atheism...too much thinking
About drugs: You do not live in a free country before putting whatever you want into your own body is legal. With legal drugs, we'd have fewer victimless criminals filling up the prisons, the court, police and lawyers would have time and money to deal with real crimes, we'd remove the huge black market full of bad guys, it would vastly reduce the transmission of HIV and hepatitis, we could control the quality and dosing so fewer people would be sick from contaminating and overdose.
It's your life, do what you want. Just stay out of my house if you want to get stoned. I've never taken drugs, but I wouldn't put a gun to your head telling you not to try it yourself. It's not that you're against mind-altering drugs, really. It's putting people in risk that did not choose to alter they minds (drunk driving), right? Most people are quite capable of handling not only alcohol but drugs as well. It's not the drag takers who are the problem, but the bad men dealing.
I didn't say I have a problem with you doing whatever you want in your own home. My problem is when the STUPID people can't figure out how to do this stuff and then stay in their own home. You can't justify the risk to my family jail numbers, HIV statistics, or sick people when they are the ones contaminating themselves.
You seem very hung up on the few who cannot control their own fix or drinking. People should be able to do what ever they want unless it's not at the cost of someone else. Like it is with Alcohol.
It's more than highly exagurated to say it would risk the life of your family. Walking out the front door is a health hazard, and planning your life around small risks is never healthy. Besides, what you're saying is, you want to force others to not use drugs because YOU don't think it's a good idea. Let me just ask you, what makes you the judge of that? Further, have you looked at any numbers regarding the matter? For instance, how many get killed in trafic by people on drugs? Try it
This is true, but I was not asked to make drugs illegal... they already are. I am just not prepared to legalize drugs. If people would be willing to demonstrate responsibilty in the arena of "putting stuff in your body", I sould gladly change my mind. Thanks for the comment.
The last three US Presidents all acknowledged their marijuana use. A quick search suggests 12 percent of the US population uses marijuana regularly and 40 percent have indulged. These are the people. Even if these statistics are hopelessly flawed, the suggestion is that many of the people you meet every day, those that pay taxes and raise children, and then perhaps rise to highest office of the land, are perfectly capable of enjoying drugs and also being outstanding citizens.
About abortion: If you were really a thinking person, serious about your opinion in this matter, you should think about why you legitimately disprove to the taking of life. Upon whatever reasons you find that confirms that at no time should you take a life, compare them to the conditions of a fetus in the womb. Taking a life is wrong because you're denying a concious persons will to live, for instance: A child upon aborsion is yet not concious of it's existance, and at this stage mindless.
The death of a fetus is not the same as a death of a human being. A fetus is certainly a member of homo sapiens, but does not have capacities like thinking and is not aware that he or she is living and wants to go on living.
Using that logic, it's perfectly okay to kill the mentally retarded, those that are suffering for hydrocepales, and anyone in a coma. None of whom are aware they are living or know that they want to go on living.
How absurdly wrong to state such a thing. It's missing the point by miles. I hope you can see it yourself why killing a mentally retarded is not the same as killing a fetus. The fetus is not even a human being yet. You simply cannot compare the life of humans to that of a fetus. They're not the same. It find it insulting for you to presume such a thing. Still, I don't think you've come close to commenting on my actual comment, which is vastly more broad than your answer.
Okay, saying that I can't tell the difference is ridiculous, as is your logic on the matter. Be it evolutionary or a gift from God, we are charged with the care, nurture, and protection of the unborn. Their ability to think is irrelevant.
I find it highly insulting that you have no respect for life if it isn't yet born.
And you have yet to make an argument that justifies the taking of a life. As I stated in the video, there is no argument that justifies it period.
It's a case of contradicting values. I, like you, support the value of preserving life, be it human or other forms. For instance, I dislike the random killing of an animal for the fun of it. However, most would agree to splatter a mosquito. Taken in isolation, each value makes legitimate sense. But these values are not perfect, as illustrated with the mosquito, and life is full of situations with conflicting values. Each one should be considered individually. This is called choice.
As I said, taking in isolation, the value of preserving life is very valid. But with abortion, you have to a case of conflicting values. Although the value of life is important, so is the value of equality and the betterment of living. It's a difficult choice for a parent to have an abortion, a choice we're faced to make as adults - But a choice nonetheless. Making abortions illigal will have only diminishing returns. I don't believe animals or humans have souls. A fetus remains inhuman, however
It's really not a question of whether you're pro life or not. Everyone is for the perseverance of life (I dare make that assumption, I think). It's really a question of whether you think a unborn child (being in the stage of nothing remotely close to "alive" as commonly understood) is or is not a human being. I think it is not, as does most doctors. This is why abortion is not illegal in many 1st world countries. Simply deeming it a human is really a mistake.
Btw, I never said you couldn't tell the difference between retarded and a fetus. Further, it seems weird for you to start using aggressive language as telling me my logic is "ridiculous". And don't tell me I don't have respect for life, what do you know? I love life and everything with life, so keep your indecent tone to yourself, thanks.
I can see how killing a healthy and productive person is different than killing a criminal. But killing a criminal, fetus, or retard are no different to me. Anybody unable to see this is probably one of them.
It'd call it a insult to the criminal and the retarded to be compared with equal standard to a fetus. Look, we all agree life is precious. But as responsible human beings, we have to face hard choices throughout our lives. And by the way, funwjo, thank you for calling me criminal, fetus or retard, that's a nice touch. But a more mature dialog would be in order, I think.
No, I DON'T agree all life is precious, or else I'd be a socialist propping up losers, homeless and handicaps. I'm alive and enjoy my internet because I'm a greedy asshole who lives at the expense of others (and proud of it).
hi, first off,i would like to say i liked your video,,i do however have a ?,,in the comment about gay marriage,,,how do you feel about their adoption of chidren i personally feel that as long as it only concerns two adults it has nothing to do with me or my belief in god ,,but you do have to think of the child,, thanks and god bless
Re Abortion: You state "the taking of a life", yet I doubt that stance continues on to war or self defense. A much more reasonable stance is more heavily regulating it and improving contraception (availability, education, lowering social stigma). The problem is that outlawing abortion leads to alot of problems (children with severe disorders, children of rape/incest or parents completely unable to care for children), and if Christians weren't such hypocrits, they'd approach this from the other..
...direction of reducing unwanted pregnancies (contraception, education, social issues and better support for single/teen parents) rather than saying "nah, you're stuck with it now".
You seem to hold alot of absolute stances (ALWAYS this and NEVER that), you might wanna look to that...
4:00 How does that not class are cruel and unusual punishment to you? You seem to acknowledge that this would be MORE cruel than killing them.
Absolutism is *always* a very scary proposition. That's what this always comes down to. Forget rationality, they know best. ;-)
I'm sure I could engineer an (extreme) example to highlight this hypocrisy: a baby is conceived through incest and rape, and is diagnosed in utero with a condition that causes untreated and unbearable pain from the moment of conception. Is this abortion justifiable?
We used to have death penalty here in Australia but back in the 60s they got rid of it coz the last guy they killed they found out he was completely innocent
yes, and I've enjoyed it some of the times, I take it you're unable to tell yourself not all people are equal and some people deserve to die (with pain & suffering). What an insult to your grandpa and others murdered that you'd not want murderers murdered.
Funny how you presume to know anything about my grandfather. The insult is your thinking that killing people is a deterrent to killing people. do you hit your kids to keep them from fighting too, genius?
I don't know anything about your grandfather, but it's safe to presume he's a man you'd not want dead. And no, I don't care about deterring people, I care about punishing people. I don't have kids specifically for that reason (but YES, if I can take away a child's freedom to fight in exchange for them never fighting, I would)
Would you give up freedom to rape in exchange for nobody being raped? (be honest now!)
Okay, who let the 13 year olds on to youtube? I suck at a lot of things. Green screening does not appear to be one of them as you are the first to mention it =)
In case you've not figured, I refuse to be saved because I have the balls to take RESPONSIBILITY for my actions, not let another person (or my creator) take the blame for me.
The difference is that I am responsible to a God with an absolute objective moral law, You are responsible to no one but yourself and, if you feel like it, can change your moral code whenever you feel like it. Your responsibilty ends if you just don't feel like getting out of bed this morning or turning off the World of Warcraft.
Wrong, I answer to power that I can see & feel, here & now. If I had a gun to my head, I'd do whatever the gun says, you're no different. Actually, the difference is you say you're "forgiven", so you no longer want to be held responsible for your actions. My responsibility doesn't end as long as the gun is to my head.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you on any of your points. The drug question is, I believe, mostly about weed. Drunk drivers should force us to not make pot legal? Some people abuse glue. Some accidents are caused by sleep deprived people. The fact is, unless we live under a totalitarian regime society must accept certain risks in order to grant liberties. Maybe one day I will be forced to get my 8 hours prior to driving, but thankfully we are not that far gone.
That's kind of snide calling yourself a recovering atheist. That's like me starting a conversation saying that I am a recovering christian. You all seem to think that your words are in no way offensive, but you have been trained to speak with passive aggressive intent.
Check out my subscribers list and friend friends list. You'll see that I have plenty of atheist friends that get that it was a joke. If you don't, then you have the issues, not me.
Marriage shouldn't be a legal issue anyways. It's a ceremonial bond. when did legality enter into it? if we didn't make marriage a legal issue, would gays even want it to be married anyway?
Im an atheist, though I agree with many of your points
However I have to wonder about one problem I see in your reasoning about the drugs. When you talk about gay marriage you say it doesnt matter whether or not it's legal, gays will still be there. But when you look at drugs theyre still (though not openly) pretty freely available if you really want them despite being illegal. How do you reconcile this?
Would it not be better to maybe give better education on bad effects of drugs, perhaps?
Yes but gay people pose no physical threat of harm to anyone. I absolutely agree that education, in any situation, is the key. There are several factors that, if they were to change, could sway my thoughts on drug legalization.
question: a mother will die in the process of birth. opinion?
Is a life that already exists more important than one that has yet to exit the womb? The child may still die due to birth complications, and therefore, two lives may be lost, rather than one that would have continued on with an abortion being performed.
(I completely agree with your capital punishment view by the way, and the idea of walking a criminal to the electric cahir-gold. Definetly something that should be considered)
Mother's don't just die in the birth process any more. The reasons are usually from pre-existing conditions that they were aware of before pregnancy. I would have to know the exact scenario where a woman faces absolute death if she gives birth and what the reasons would be. I have not heard of such a scenario since we've increased the use of cesarean sections circa the mid 1900's.
I am recently out of the closet homosexual , as you where an atheist can i turn my sexuality around to faith as you did as an atheist? I am wondering because i have been confused all my life about my sexuality , i find women unattractive and men arousing , why am I different .
...for most of their lives. That's just what they do. Yes. However, more people won't necessarily do it. I know that if weed were legal I wouldn't do it more or probably at all. I have access to it now, one of my best friends is always asking me to smoke with him, and I don't do it because I just don't want to. The law isn't what stops me. And if the law weren't there I still wouldn't. And that's the case with many people. Also marijuana has so many health benefits and no known negative effects.
getting in the crossfire of a drunk driver. Nevertheless, we have laws in place for drunks, and yet they drink and drive anyway. So you really think inhibiting something like marijuana is gonna stop the marijuana use? no. You will always have people that do it, and you should NOT be punished for putting something in your body. Ever. Even if it kills you. (Cigarettes for example). And this is coming from a 22 year old who is completely clean.
I don't necessairly disagree with your points about freedom and choice but I also believe that I am not inclined to advocate a change in the current laws until societally we start to behave. Much more harm than good will come of making drugs legal. More people will get addicted... crime rates would rise due to people needing more money to get a "fix", The criminals that sell drugs now would be out of business forcing them to commit more violent crime to recover their lost pay. It's not time yet.
Much more good than harm will come actually. Think about it. Most street crimes and drug lords make their business off of trafficking illegal drugs. Take away the illegal part and what do you have left? Less drug crime, less street gangs involved in drug trafficking. There is definitely more good than harm. And honestly, there is a connection that can be seen between prohibition and crime statistics. So I disagree with that point. Those people are criminals and will be criminals...
"Take away the illegal part and what do you have left?"
You have street kings that have made their living selling drugs that now cannot sell them. Hence, no source of income. Hence they turn to more violent crime to make their money back. Like home invasions, bank robberies, store robbery, etc, etc...
So how do you draw a line from, they can't sell drugs anymore, to...they will be more violent? What if they made money off of importing other illegal goods? What if their cronies turned them in because they can't pay them anymore? What if they get a real job!? There's so many options that I can't even think of tied to, what happens to a drug lord after drugs are made legal than, "they turn to violent crime".
"What if they made money off of importing other illegal goods? " - That does not sound like a good reason to make drugs legal to me.
Violent crime keeps the drug lords in business now. What makes you think they'd just quit the life of crime and become legitimate members of society? Yes, there are options, but the rational conclusion cannot be that they'd be good people if drugs were legal.
Violent crime does NOT keep the drug lords in business. What keeps them in business is the import and sale of drugs. The reason why violent crime happens is because when there's a dispute over an illegal good, it can't be taken to the police, so they have to deal with it themselves. That's where pretty much all drug violence stems. They can't tell the police about a problem because it would ruin their operation. And I didn't say good people. I said they'd find different hobbies (paraphrase).
Okay I got more. I am a liberal. I think that you absolutely have the right to put whatever you want into your bodies, even if that endangers my life. You should be punished for that, however, you should not be punished for in taking certain things into your body, like marijuana. If you can't put whatever you want into your body, you don't live in a free country. I'm a huge advocate of freedom and I think everyone has the right to do what they want to themselves. Part of that risk involves me...
This christian does not make me puke... Wow thats a first. Why is this video on venomfangx's channel (that guy is clearly mentally retarded... vfx that is)
I listen to your video and would like to commend you for giving your views,I know by personal experience it can be almost impossible to have a civil debate with either christians/atheist here on Youtube. I am personally a christian by faith, and hold strong conservative beliefs,if you would ever like to talk about Bible issues and questions/views please feel free to PM me! I have studies Religion for the last 15 years many of them formally,I don't claim to have all the answers,but I'm no novice
Thank you kind sir. Unfortunately you have stepped into the middle of a debate. You will probably be attacked by these two that WordPlanter and myself are debating right now. If they haven't already attacked you...
This is ironic. You are replying to a comment including an argument about the percentage of the bible talking about the fear of god, over real human issues like slavery, you completely ignore it and rush to talk about how you countered every argument i laid. You dont even recognize an argument when you see one. And dont you even start about my education, i am able to read the bible in its original language.
Funny because that's pretty much exactly what I said to you. Minus the third grade potty mouth. you are a tool and you know nothing about language. This is a warning not to use the "F" word on my channel again - and an advance warning not to use the Lord's name in vain.
You use your little translator machine and I use my brain. Your English grammer has been FAR less than admirable, so be careful bragging about how well you use your translator.
Estoy también muy competentes en otras lenguas. Quieres bailar?
That's why Greek is a second language as is spanish. but since you are so good at it, why not hop on stickam or blogtv and we'll see who's knowledge is genuine and who is using some kind of translator.
oh and many of the issues you discussed are only made issues so that people can fight christians, i mean, marriage is a union under God and through the law we are given rights, so the easy answer would be to amend the laws so that the same rights can be given to gays under civil unions, not marriage, abortion is an easy fix as well, we know its wrong to kill whether the choice is available or not its ultimately up to the mother and God, God gave us free will
My point might have been misunderstood. I believe that our government should not perform marriages. They should however recognize the civil contract between two adults. I would say that it should be called a civil-union for gay and straight couples. Let the church perform the marriage.
And I agree that this government does not like Christians, mostly because they cannot control us (yet). They are "of the world" while we are only "in the world".
the government who in my opinion doesnt really like christians, wants the rest of the country to argue us and fight us, when the answers are out there, answers to whom all can agree on... but they hated Jesus before they hated us, as it was written. All that is happening... has to happen
In sweden we put forth as much as we can into rehabilitation instead of punishing so the person can be a working member of the society.
So we have pretty low sentences, no death sentence and overally good prisons.
What will revenge help, we need to do what we can to make the person able to redirect his life. Keeping him locked or killing him won't do anything good, but if we can turn the tide...
Ofcourse this is determined, if it's a masskiller et.c it's nost much we can do.
@Deadandlivin - I absolutely applaud Sweden for it's work in rehab. You have a worldwide reputation for the humanitarianism that you show your criminals. I did not make that statement to promote revenge, I was hoping to open a dialogue for alternatives to capitol punishment. As I am against it but I have not put enough thought into alternatives.
Thank you for sharing and greetings from across the pond =)
Ancient forms of punishment which we control useage of yet today is in fact, getting ancient.
I agree that humanity need better forms of punishements which actually serve some useage. Mere revenge, is close to useless unless you don't prohibit the satisfactory need of the victim's relatives and the victim itself.
I only have one absolute opinion about sentences, and I'm completely against any use of Death sentence.
I agree with you being against the death sentence.. I suggest measures of using that person as an example for the rest of his/her lives towards others that are murderers. Perhaps that is confined and monitored services such as clothes manufacturing and other places where they will not feel power. Confinement is important but I don't think the death sentence sets a good example to human progression which is occuring in many areas of the world many topics.
Drugs should be illegal, period.. That goes with government approved drugs such as nicotine and aspartame and others, passed by the FDA. Life should be enhanced by starting with that.
This man believes in MAGIC.
sgm2005fu 1 year ago
Are you sure you're a Christian? You don't sound like any of the Christians I knew in bible school, you're too sane to be Christian.
jimjamerman 2 years ago
I'm not a Christian anymore -- and to be honest, it's pretty hard to describe what I am right now -- but you have a fairness of attitude in approaching things that I've rarely seen among both people who have faith and people who don't. Heck, I've been trying for a long time to cultivate fairmindedness and I think you still have me beat by a ways. I really respect that. You've earned yourself a subscriber, my friend.
Vic92084 2 years ago
I held my grandfathers hand when he died, but it was an incredibly beautiful experience for me. Death is an inevitability that we all face, so I don't see the point of resisting it. It is merely the reciprocal of birth... together creating the equilibrium of humanity.
It never ceases to amaze me how subjective the human experience is for all of us.
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
You are one of the more enlightened Christians on youtube, I see.
On abortion - it's not an actual person's life yet; nature (and the woman) has not invested as much in it yet. Think about it - if you don't grant the woman the right over her own body and how she should organize her life, you may be depriving another child (or children) that this woman may have, when she is ready, having had education, found the man she loves; and bring up in a lot better circumstances and give a better life.
dewonthegrass 2 years ago
I feel the same on abortion
Alterna123 2 years ago
You sound a reasonable chap. After your death row riff I was ready to drop some atheist troll shit and blow but then you went all reasonable.
Enjoy your life.
grenangle 2 years ago
Thanks for not going troll. Sorry about being reasonable... I won't let it happen again ;-)
Peace to you amigo!
thereprieve 2 years ago
Reasonable but making drugs illegal doesn't work when you give a teen rules what will they do? BREAK THEM! Lol, and abortion I wouldn't count the developing baby as a living person children can't think about what it is or even think rationally about what is what until their 7 - 9
Alterna123 2 years ago
That does not mean that the rule is flawed, it means the teen has problems that need to be dealt with. I don't think you can rationally justify elimintaing the lives of the irrational.
But I thank you for your comments.
thereprieve 2 years ago
WOW, I'm an atheist, but none the less I really respect you answer about gay marriage. Despite that fact that you think that homosexuality is wrong (which I disagree with), you don't let your personal views get in the way of civil right of others. I can respect that :) . and I also don't like abortion ether. I think it's a sad thing. I got a kid coming in April next year. After seeing the ultrasound I can't imagine aborting him or her.
gokuhawks14 2 years ago
Congrats on the baby... my wife and I just had our 4th back in July. We are beyond blessed. He's quite the little brute too. It's already his house and he's only 3 months old.
Thanks for the respect too... it is much appreciated. I have taken some crap in the past, from both atheist and theist, about my belief on gay marriage. I'm glad others share in that belief.
thereprieve 2 years ago
best kind of punishment for rapist... the electric chair BUT instead of putting the helmet on your head.... yeah you get it.
Psycnosis 2 years ago
LOL!!!
thereprieve 2 years ago
So torturing the guy at death row is better than killing him?
mfunke 2 years ago
No, it was just a thought. I had hoped that my subs would be creative and think of some better things. If you scan over this comment section, you'll see that I have done my best to, several times, say that I do not think it's a good idea or one worth pursuing. It was just a thought.
thereprieve 2 years ago
One of the more rational views on gay marriage that I have seen from a Christian, well done.
That being said, it is ironic that you are of a pacifist mind, and worship a deity that has commanded murder quite a bit in the Bible. Just saying that if you are of the opinion that taking a life is NEVER justified, I think you have some reading and reflecting to do yet.
Dusty341 2 years ago
Been there, done that. God has not asked me to kill anyone. And I have some serious thoughts on what would happen if he did. It might make for a good video someday.
thereprieve 2 years ago
..And you have noe reservations in worshiping a deity that has commanded countless murders in his name?
Dusty341 2 years ago
It's a shame the ratings are disabled here. I would have given it 5 stars.
We may not agree on a great deal, but I respect the fact you have given these things thought and have come to reasonable conclusions. :D
williamcardno 2 years ago
Got votebotted a couple weeks back. The only way to save all my vids was to disable the ratings. Hopefully one day I can reinstate the ratings. Thank you very much for the respect though! Much appreciated.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Congratz on winning the halo award ;D
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
Thanks amigo... I never would have thought that this video would have been considered worthy... especially of the Halo. =D
thereprieve 2 years ago
Do you know the Bible is the best fictional storybook ever wrote?
Che1Angelius 2 years ago
second best.. number one is still "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. I can see by your plagarism of him that you've read it.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Pretty sure that Dawkins knows how to use the simple past and relative clauses, mate. Just as a bit of constructive criticism and nothing more, these sorts of punchlines tend to be more impressive when the only eloquent word in them isn't misspelled. ;P
Yupiyeahs 2 years ago
I am actually an accomplished speller and have often corrected the spelling
(and grammar) of others when they do not seem to know the proper spelling. Mine was simply a case of "fat fingering" the keyboard and not proofreading before I hit the "Post Comment" button. A mistake that I will surely not make again as I am not yet used to taking my own medicine.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Certainly. This time I wasn't trying to be mean or bully you. I know the feeling too well.
Yupiyeahs 2 years ago
Actually i haven't read it. How I'm stealing with my comment?
Che1Angelius 2 years ago
you lost me at your response to the homosexual question...
RMAC41 2 years ago
Happy to discuss it with you. I did a video called "God, Gays, and the Good Ole USA" that may help to clarify.
Peace be with you my friend
thereprieve 2 years ago
What changed within your psyche that convinced you God is real?
eksyte 2 years ago
I did a video called "TA and Me (The Finale)" That should explain in detail for you. link: watch?v=Bg3A0-HEyZY
thereprieve 2 years ago
You were an atheist because you didn't care, not because you'd researched the God idea and found it to not provide real proof, tho?
You're not acting like Shawn or Kirk Cameron about it, so I'm not gonna say much, but it seems a little dishonest to claim you were an atheist in the same vain as most atheists.
eksyte 2 years ago
I freely admit that I was only an atheist by definition, not by choice or because of some research. I would say thought that it falls into the same category of those who call themselves Christian simply because they think there's a God and they know some Christians. They have no real claim t obe called Christian any more than I had to be called an atheist.
thereprieve 2 years ago
why would I need to put my "mug" on youtube to debate you? destroy me like so many others, really? I thought you used to be an atheist? you have to abandon the logic atheism provides in order to sustain the christian view point on these subjects...thats why it requires faith...so if you want to destroy my logic with faith then by all means go ahead, but you couldn't call it a debate. sidenote* so if you post a video, no one with a differing opinion is suppose to comment or they are a troller?
triploblastic 2 years ago
Because a debate also means you have t oput forth arguments, not just ridicule of others and praise of yourself. To do so... with all you logic and reson, you need to do so in a form that all others can see and expose yourself to the same criticism that you hide behind.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I personally don't care if gays get married or if people marry animals or even inanimate objects.. Come to think of it, I wouldn't even care if people started killing themselves right now. It's their problem. Making it illegal to marry a dog isn't going to stop freaks from lusting after them and.. doing things.
Also, we're running out of space in this world. Let the idiots kill themselves with their aids and God-given diseases.
More space for the sane..
xorganizationxvx 2 years ago
Awesome man. Be true to yourself. I agree. There have been many "fine sounding arguments" but life is the best choice. amen brother.
REALGREYBLUE 2 years ago
Thank you kind sir.
thereprieve 2 years ago
this has got my vote for dumbest ideas...seeing his granfather die has changed his stance on captiol punishment? he would be in favor of drug use if people were more responsible? and i guess these "death row" prisoners are retarded b/c how many times are you gonna get away with tricking them about their death before they catch on? I can now see why you didn't stick to atheism...too much thinking
triploblastic 2 years ago
Anytime you wanna debate any of these topics, you just put your mug on camera and I'll destroy like I have so many others.
Or you can continue to troll VanomFangX's channel.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Last tag: Hope: Not good enough
luc59457 2 years ago
"recovering atheist"?? and u r recovering from... reality??
TrollN3m3s1s 2 years ago
About drugs: You do not live in a free country before putting whatever you want into your own body is legal. With legal drugs, we'd have fewer victimless criminals filling up the prisons, the court, police and lawyers would have time and money to deal with real crimes, we'd remove the huge black market full of bad guys, it would vastly reduce the transmission of HIV and hepatitis, we could control the quality and dosing so fewer people would be sick from contaminating and overdose.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
cont.
It's your life, do what you want. Just stay out of my house if you want to get stoned. I've never taken drugs, but I wouldn't put a gun to your head telling you not to try it yourself. It's not that you're against mind-altering drugs, really. It's putting people in risk that did not choose to alter they minds (drunk driving), right? Most people are quite capable of handling not only alcohol but drugs as well. It's not the drag takers who are the problem, but the bad men dealing.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
I didn't say I have a problem with you doing whatever you want in your own home. My problem is when the STUPID people can't figure out how to do this stuff and then stay in their own home. You can't justify the risk to my family jail numbers, HIV statistics, or sick people when they are the ones contaminating themselves.
thereprieve 2 years ago
You seem very hung up on the few who cannot control their own fix or drinking. People should be able to do what ever they want unless it's not at the cost of someone else. Like it is with Alcohol.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
You are free to think and vote that way. But I am not risking my families life so you can get high. Sorry pal, not gonna happen.
thereprieve 2 years ago
It's more than highly exagurated to say it would risk the life of your family. Walking out the front door is a health hazard, and planning your life around small risks is never healthy. Besides, what you're saying is, you want to force others to not use drugs because YOU don't think it's a good idea. Let me just ask you, what makes you the judge of that? Further, have you looked at any numbers regarding the matter? For instance, how many get killed in trafic by people on drugs? Try it
bbkingzor 2 years ago
Hi thereprieve
It seems you could apply this line of logic to limit all freedom, simply because *anyone* abuses their freedom.
This specific limit of freedom has had horrendous unintentional repercussions.
How dare anyone dictate to a law-abiding citizen what they can put into their body.
sgm2005fu 2 years ago
This is true, but I was not asked to make drugs illegal... they already are. I am just not prepared to legalize drugs. If people would be willing to demonstrate responsibilty in the arena of "putting stuff in your body", I sould gladly change my mind. Thanks for the comment.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Hi thereprieve
The last three US Presidents all acknowledged their marijuana use. A quick search suggests 12 percent of the US population uses marijuana regularly and 40 percent have indulged. These are the people. Even if these statistics are hopelessly flawed, the suggestion is that many of the people you meet every day, those that pay taxes and raise children, and then perhaps rise to highest office of the land, are perfectly capable of enjoying drugs and also being outstanding citizens.
sgm2005fu 2 years ago
About abortion: If you were really a thinking person, serious about your opinion in this matter, you should think about why you legitimately disprove to the taking of life. Upon whatever reasons you find that confirms that at no time should you take a life, compare them to the conditions of a fetus in the womb. Taking a life is wrong because you're denying a concious persons will to live, for instance: A child upon aborsion is yet not concious of it's existance, and at this stage mindless.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
cont.
The death of a fetus is not the same as a death of a human being. A fetus is certainly a member of homo sapiens, but does not have capacities like thinking and is not aware that he or she is living and wants to go on living.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
Using that logic, it's perfectly okay to kill the mentally retarded, those that are suffering for hydrocepales, and anyone in a coma. None of whom are aware they are living or know that they want to go on living.
thereprieve 2 years ago
How absurdly wrong to state such a thing. It's missing the point by miles. I hope you can see it yourself why killing a mentally retarded is not the same as killing a fetus. The fetus is not even a human being yet. You simply cannot compare the life of humans to that of a fetus. They're not the same. It find it insulting for you to presume such a thing. Still, I don't think you've come close to commenting on my actual comment, which is vastly more broad than your answer.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
Okay, saying that I can't tell the difference is ridiculous, as is your logic on the matter. Be it evolutionary or a gift from God, we are charged with the care, nurture, and protection of the unborn. Their ability to think is irrelevant.
I find it highly insulting that you have no respect for life if it isn't yet born.
And you have yet to make an argument that justifies the taking of a life. As I stated in the video, there is no argument that justifies it period.
thereprieve 2 years ago
It's a case of contradicting values. I, like you, support the value of preserving life, be it human or other forms. For instance, I dislike the random killing of an animal for the fun of it. However, most would agree to splatter a mosquito. Taken in isolation, each value makes legitimate sense. But these values are not perfect, as illustrated with the mosquito, and life is full of situations with conflicting values. Each one should be considered individually. This is called choice.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
why are you against killing animals randomly unless you believe they have a soul, mind or right to life?
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
As I said, taking in isolation, the value of preserving life is very valid. But with abortion, you have to a case of conflicting values. Although the value of life is important, so is the value of equality and the betterment of living. It's a difficult choice for a parent to have an abortion, a choice we're faced to make as adults - But a choice nonetheless. Making abortions illigal will have only diminishing returns. I don't believe animals or humans have souls. A fetus remains inhuman, however
bbkingzor 2 years ago
It's really not a question of whether you're pro life or not. Everyone is for the perseverance of life (I dare make that assumption, I think). It's really a question of whether you think a unborn child (being in the stage of nothing remotely close to "alive" as commonly understood) is or is not a human being. I think it is not, as does most doctors. This is why abortion is not illegal in many 1st world countries. Simply deeming it a human is really a mistake.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
Btw, I never said you couldn't tell the difference between retarded and a fetus. Further, it seems weird for you to start using aggressive language as telling me my logic is "ridiculous". And don't tell me I don't have respect for life, what do you know? I love life and everything with life, so keep your indecent tone to yourself, thanks.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
I'm entitled to my opinion, so I will call people I find ridiculous, ridiculous, you can do the same (how productive it'd be is up to you).
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
I can see how killing a healthy and productive person is different than killing a criminal. But killing a criminal, fetus, or retard are no different to me. Anybody unable to see this is probably one of them.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
It'd call it a insult to the criminal and the retarded to be compared with equal standard to a fetus. Look, we all agree life is precious. But as responsible human beings, we have to face hard choices throughout our lives. And by the way, funwjo, thank you for calling me criminal, fetus or retard, that's a nice touch. But a more mature dialog would be in order, I think.
bbkingzor 2 years ago
No, I DON'T agree all life is precious, or else I'd be a socialist propping up losers, homeless and handicaps. I'm alive and enjoy my internet because I'm a greedy asshole who lives at the expense of others (and proud of it).
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
hi, first off,i would like to say i liked your video,,i do however have a ?,,in the comment about gay marriage,,,how do you feel about their adoption of chidren i personally feel that as long as it only concerns two adults it has nothing to do with me or my belief in god ,,but you do have to think of the child,, thanks and god bless
mandibles123 2 years ago
I think that there are way too many children looking for homes to not let gay couples adopt.
Thanks and God bless you too.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Re Abortion: You state "the taking of a life", yet I doubt that stance continues on to war or self defense. A much more reasonable stance is more heavily regulating it and improving contraception (availability, education, lowering social stigma). The problem is that outlawing abortion leads to alot of problems (children with severe disorders, children of rape/incest or parents completely unable to care for children), and if Christians weren't such hypocrits, they'd approach this from the other..
Wolfau5 2 years ago
...direction of reducing unwanted pregnancies (contraception, education, social issues and better support for single/teen parents) rather than saying "nah, you're stuck with it now".
You seem to hold alot of absolute stances (ALWAYS this and NEVER that), you might wanna look to that...
4:00 How does that not class are cruel and unusual punishment to you? You seem to acknowledge that this would be MORE cruel than killing them.
Wolfau5 2 years ago
Absolutism is *always* a very scary proposition. That's what this always comes down to. Forget rationality, they know best. ;-)
I'm sure I could engineer an (extreme) example to highlight this hypocrisy: a baby is conceived through incest and rape, and is diagnosed in utero with a condition that causes untreated and unbearable pain from the moment of conception. Is this abortion justifiable?
sgm2005fu 2 years ago
We used to have death penalty here in Australia but back in the 60s they got rid of it coz the last guy they killed they found out he was completely innocent
jaxlpose 2 years ago
you saw your grandfather die therefore you never want somebody killed?
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
That was one of the building block in me changing my mind... yes. Have you ever watched someone die?
thereprieve 2 years ago
yes, and I've enjoyed it some of the times, I take it you're unable to tell yourself not all people are equal and some people deserve to die (with pain & suffering). What an insult to your grandpa and others murdered that you'd not want murderers murdered.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Funny how you presume to know anything about my grandfather. The insult is your thinking that killing people is a deterrent to killing people. do you hit your kids to keep them from fighting too, genius?
thereprieve 2 years ago
I don't know anything about your grandfather, but it's safe to presume he's a man you'd not want dead. And no, I don't care about deterring people, I care about punishing people. I don't have kids specifically for that reason (but YES, if I can take away a child's freedom to fight in exchange for them never fighting, I would)
Would you give up freedom to rape in exchange for nobody being raped? (be honest now!)
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
there is many other reasons that "legalizing drugs"(very broad statement. i don't get it) is bad.
iMute0 2 years ago
btw, you suck at green-screening.
iMute0 2 years ago
Okay, who let the 13 year olds on to youtube? I suck at a lot of things. Green screening does not appear to be one of them as you are the first to mention it =)
thereprieve 2 years ago
90% of youtube is 13 year olds.
iMute0 2 years ago
the guy who walks down death row multiple times, would probably be like, when are they gonna kill me already, this is annoying, jail fucking blows.
iMute0 2 years ago
dude, sin does not reap benefits
RazzleDazzle8675 2 years ago
Do you sin?
Killdozer6006 2 years ago
yes, but he's forgiven (why doesn't he murder while he's at it? I don't know)
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Oh, so him breaking Gawd's law on a regular basis is okay because he's supposedly forgiven?
Killdozer6006 2 years ago
what part of "forgiven" don't you understand?
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
So that still makes it okay?
Killdozer6006 2 years ago
I'm not the one saved, so don't look at me!
In case you've not figured, I refuse to be saved because I have the balls to take RESPONSIBILITY for my actions, not let another person (or my creator) take the blame for me.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
The difference is that I am responsible to a God with an absolute objective moral law, You are responsible to no one but yourself and, if you feel like it, can change your moral code whenever you feel like it. Your responsibilty ends if you just don't feel like getting out of bed this morning or turning off the World of Warcraft.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Wrong, I answer to power that I can see & feel, here & now. If I had a gun to my head, I'd do whatever the gun says, you're no different. Actually, the difference is you say you're "forgiven", so you no longer want to be held responsible for your actions. My responsibility doesn't end as long as the gun is to my head.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
first you say you "i cannot and have not yet heard an argument that justify s the taken of a life"
then you go on to say "I did use to be a capital punishment guy"
WTF is that ??
jasnom 2 years ago
It's called reevaluating your position. Not everything that you believe is absolutely right. You should try it sometime.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you on any of your points. The drug question is, I believe, mostly about weed. Drunk drivers should force us to not make pot legal? Some people abuse glue. Some accidents are caused by sleep deprived people. The fact is, unless we live under a totalitarian regime society must accept certain risks in order to grant liberties. Maybe one day I will be forced to get my 8 hours prior to driving, but thankfully we are not that far gone.
rolexxx11 2 years ago
Apparently you are not a truck driver. They are forced to get their 8 hours... even more as they are only allowed to drive 8 hours in any given day.
thereprieve 2 years ago
That's kind of snide calling yourself a recovering atheist. That's like me starting a conversation saying that I am a recovering christian. You all seem to think that your words are in no way offensive, but you have been trained to speak with passive aggressive intent.
sovietgreen 2 years ago
And you passing off Geerup as a picture of yourself is not offensive?
thereprieve 2 years ago
it'd be like saying you're a recovering retard, therefore whatever I "used to believe" only retards believe.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Check out my subscribers list and friend friends list. You'll see that I have plenty of atheist friends that get that it was a joke. If you don't, then you have the issues, not me.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I do get the joke, doesn't mean I can't be an ass about it.
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
No, but I see that you allow yourself to be an ass in so many other ways.
thereprieve 2 years ago
let me ask you, do you violate any "man's law" today because "God's law" says so?
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Marriage shouldn't be a legal issue anyways. It's a ceremonial bond. when did legality enter into it? if we didn't make marriage a legal issue, would gays even want it to be married anyway?
ThePerrynator 2 years ago
if we never made murder illegal, would anybody want to legalize murder?
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Im an atheist, though I agree with many of your points
However I have to wonder about one problem I see in your reasoning about the drugs. When you talk about gay marriage you say it doesnt matter whether or not it's legal, gays will still be there. But when you look at drugs theyre still (though not openly) pretty freely available if you really want them despite being illegal. How do you reconcile this?
Would it not be better to maybe give better education on bad effects of drugs, perhaps?
BalzacCinema 2 years ago
Yes but gay people pose no physical threat of harm to anyone. I absolutely agree that education, in any situation, is the key. There are several factors that, if they were to change, could sway my thoughts on drug legalization.
Thanks for your thoughts.
thereprieve 2 years ago
what fighterace said..
I am not atheist, I do believe in a higher purpose and possibly "being" but, am more inclined to the idea of source energy..
anywho! ftw? what did you do meet some hot jesus chick and convert to her side because of love? this is shocking..
oh2love4love 2 years ago
I did a video about it called "TA and Me, the Finale". It should explain it to you.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Recovering atheist.....wat? that doesnt even make sense. Your recovering from something though.
fighterace2688 2 years ago
Wow. This video is featured on the VenomFangX channel. Interesting.
antybu86 2 years ago
Oh no... are you kidding me!!!! Dood... go easy one me =)
How ya been buddy? Someone marked you comment as spam, I tried to "not spam" it, but I don't know if it'll work.
thereprieve 2 years ago
question: a mother will die in the process of birth. opinion?
Is a life that already exists more important than one that has yet to exit the womb? The child may still die due to birth complications, and therefore, two lives may be lost, rather than one that would have continued on with an abortion being performed.
(I completely agree with your capital punishment view by the way, and the idea of walking a criminal to the electric cahir-gold. Definetly something that should be considered)
1dirtyghettokid 2 years ago
Mother's don't just die in the birth process any more. The reasons are usually from pre-existing conditions that they were aware of before pregnancy. I would have to know the exact scenario where a woman faces absolute death if she gives birth and what the reasons would be. I have not heard of such a scenario since we've increased the use of cesarean sections circa the mid 1900's.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I am recently out of the closet homosexual , as you where an atheist can i turn my sexuality around to faith as you did as an atheist? I am wondering because i have been confused all my life about my sexuality , i find women unattractive and men arousing , why am I different .
Skar3Kr0w 2 years ago
We should talk about this through pm's. No need to completely air our dirty laundry. I will answer you, just send me your question through pm.
Peace to you.
thereprieve 2 years ago
And is jesus really lazy or just passive? It seems he's been leaving christians hanging for a long time no?
godcypha1 2 years ago
If god exists forever alone with no other gods and cannot come in contact with humans isnt that a horribly lonely existence?
godcypha1 2 years ago
That would explain the creation of the angels and humans wouldn't it?
thereprieve 2 years ago
And how do you feel about all those bible verses that have God supporting abortion saying :
"you must rip open all their pregnant women?"
VadimDubois 2 years ago
I would say that it has a much different meaning when you quote mine it. When you put it into context, it actually makes sense.
There is no justification for people taking the life of other people. Sorry I wasn't specific enough for you to understand. I'll do better next time.
thereprieve 2 years ago
How can Christianity claims the absolute moral code, when murder between humans is supported multiple times in the old testament?
And how can this morality be absolute and not a result of our own moral evolution, that doesnt allow us to kill any more?
Dont you think the people who wrote the NT thought about that?
If this moral cod was truly god-given and absolute, dont you think the old testament would have been completely different?
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
You said there is no justification for taking a life.
So how do you feel about all those bible verses that have God saying:
" you must kill these people and you must kill those people?"
VadimDubois 2 years ago
I cannot and have not yet heard an argument that justifies the taking of a life.
When it came to my thoughts and beliefs on [capitol punishment], I was for it.
As far as contradictions go, that's a pretty damn big one.
GofreMcNoodle 2 years ago
Abortion: Kill the soul ? If not, what do you call life ?
BasicFunTime 2 years ago
Life on earth. Soul survives to the afterlife.
thereprieve 2 years ago
...for most of their lives. That's just what they do. Yes. However, more people won't necessarily do it. I know that if weed were legal I wouldn't do it more or probably at all. I have access to it now, one of my best friends is always asking me to smoke with him, and I don't do it because I just don't want to. The law isn't what stops me. And if the law weren't there I still wouldn't. And that's the case with many people. Also marijuana has so many health benefits and no known negative effects.
riseofatheism 2 years ago
getting in the crossfire of a drunk driver. Nevertheless, we have laws in place for drunks, and yet they drink and drive anyway. So you really think inhibiting something like marijuana is gonna stop the marijuana use? no. You will always have people that do it, and you should NOT be punished for putting something in your body. Ever. Even if it kills you. (Cigarettes for example). And this is coming from a 22 year old who is completely clean.
riseofatheism 2 years ago
I don't necessairly disagree with your points about freedom and choice but I also believe that I am not inclined to advocate a change in the current laws until societally we start to behave. Much more harm than good will come of making drugs legal. More people will get addicted... crime rates would rise due to people needing more money to get a "fix", The criminals that sell drugs now would be out of business forcing them to commit more violent crime to recover their lost pay. It's not time yet.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Much more good than harm will come actually. Think about it. Most street crimes and drug lords make their business off of trafficking illegal drugs. Take away the illegal part and what do you have left? Less drug crime, less street gangs involved in drug trafficking. There is definitely more good than harm. And honestly, there is a connection that can be seen between prohibition and crime statistics. So I disagree with that point. Those people are criminals and will be criminals...
riseofatheism 2 years ago
"Take away the illegal part and what do you have left?"
You have street kings that have made their living selling drugs that now cannot sell them. Hence, no source of income. Hence they turn to more violent crime to make their money back. Like home invasions, bank robberies, store robbery, etc, etc...
thereprieve 2 years ago
So how do you draw a line from, they can't sell drugs anymore, to...they will be more violent? What if they made money off of importing other illegal goods? What if their cronies turned them in because they can't pay them anymore? What if they get a real job!? There's so many options that I can't even think of tied to, what happens to a drug lord after drugs are made legal than, "they turn to violent crime".
riseofatheism 2 years ago
"What if they made money off of importing other illegal goods? " - That does not sound like a good reason to make drugs legal to me.
Violent crime keeps the drug lords in business now. What makes you think they'd just quit the life of crime and become legitimate members of society? Yes, there are options, but the rational conclusion cannot be that they'd be good people if drugs were legal.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Violent crime does NOT keep the drug lords in business. What keeps them in business is the import and sale of drugs. The reason why violent crime happens is because when there's a dispute over an illegal good, it can't be taken to the police, so they have to deal with it themselves. That's where pretty much all drug violence stems. They can't tell the police about a problem because it would ruin their operation. And I didn't say good people. I said they'd find different hobbies (paraphrase).
riseofatheism 2 years ago
Okay I got more. I am a liberal. I think that you absolutely have the right to put whatever you want into your bodies, even if that endangers my life. You should be punished for that, however, you should not be punished for in taking certain things into your body, like marijuana. If you can't put whatever you want into your body, you don't live in a free country. I'm a huge advocate of freedom and I think everyone has the right to do what they want to themselves. Part of that risk involves me...
riseofatheism 2 years ago
So you are against capital punishment but you are for torture... nice way to go!
Yetanotherytuser 2 years ago
This christian does not make me puke... Wow thats a first. Why is this video on venomfangx's channel (that guy is clearly mentally retarded... vfx that is)
ManBearPig84 2 years ago
I listen to your video and would like to commend you for giving your views,I know by personal experience it can be almost impossible to have a civil debate with either christians/atheist here on Youtube. I am personally a christian by faith, and hold strong conservative beliefs,if you would ever like to talk about Bible issues and questions/views please feel free to PM me! I have studies Religion for the last 15 years many of them formally,I don't claim to have all the answers,but I'm no novice
mykidsdad36 2 years ago
Thank you kind sir. Unfortunately you have stepped into the middle of a debate. You will probably be attacked by these two that WordPlanter and myself are debating right now. If they haven't already attacked you...
Peace be with you myfriend.
thereprieve 2 years ago
This is ironic. You are replying to a comment including an argument about the percentage of the bible talking about the fear of god, over real human issues like slavery, you completely ignore it and rush to talk about how you countered every argument i laid. You dont even recognize an argument when you see one. And dont you even start about my education, i am able to read the bible in its original language.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
אתה רוצה אתה יכול לקרוא.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Μιλαω για την ελληνικη γλωσσα.
Most of the New Testament is written in Greek "κοινη" language.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
מזל טוב, אתה טיפש בשתי שפות.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Εισαι μαλακας τελικα.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
Δοκιμάστε να χρησιμοποιήσετε τη σωστή βλάκας διάλεκτο.
thereprieve 2 years ago
hahahhaha
Next time you use the translator, make sure it doesnt completely fuck the grammar up.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
Funny because that's pretty much exactly what I said to you. Minus the third grade potty mouth. you are a tool and you know nothing about language. This is a warning not to use the "F" word on my channel again - and an advance warning not to use the Lord's name in vain.
thereprieve 2 years ago
"Funny because that's pretty much exactly what I said to you"
No. You said i need to use the right "dialect" in a very bad grammar.
Trust me. I can use the Greek language better than you use your native one.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
You use your little translator machine and I use my brain. Your English grammer has been FAR less than admirable, so be careful bragging about how well you use your translator.
Estoy también muy competentes en otras lenguas. Quieres bailar?
thereprieve 2 years ago
"You use your little translator"
No. its the other way around. Nobody with genuine knowledge of the Greek language could ever use the word βλακας before διαλεκτο.
Again, you do not want to go there. You will only end up looking like a fool. Greek is almost my native.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
That's why Greek is a second language as is spanish. but since you are so good at it, why not hop on stickam or blogtv and we'll see who's knowledge is genuine and who is using some kind of translator.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Why not hop on Vent? I own a server. I dont have access to a webcam now, but we can continue the conversation in Greek and in real-time.
I promise i wont make fun of your accent.
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
Never heard of "vent". If you don't have a camera then it would do no good as I'd not know if it was you or not. Get a camera, get back to me.
thereprieve 2 years ago
Excuse me?
By the same logic i could put the same person on camera to pretend that is me..
You continue to amaze me..
WhereTheyAre 2 years ago
I've got a good question... what is the name of that song? i typed the lyrics everywhere and cant find it
Segseg 2 years ago
It's not a published song. I found it on a website called royaltyfreemusic... I think.
It is pretty catchy though huh?
thereprieve 2 years ago
yeah sucked me right in, thanks again
oh and many of the issues you discussed are only made issues so that people can fight christians, i mean, marriage is a union under God and through the law we are given rights, so the easy answer would be to amend the laws so that the same rights can be given to gays under civil unions, not marriage, abortion is an easy fix as well, we know its wrong to kill whether the choice is available or not its ultimately up to the mother and God, God gave us free will
Segseg 2 years ago
My point might have been misunderstood. I believe that our government should not perform marriages. They should however recognize the civil contract between two adults. I would say that it should be called a civil-union for gay and straight couples. Let the church perform the marriage.
And I agree that this government does not like Christians, mostly because they cannot control us (yet). They are "of the world" while we are only "in the world".
Peace and God bless my friend.
thereprieve 2 years ago
the government who in my opinion doesnt really like christians, wants the rest of the country to argue us and fight us, when the answers are out there, answers to whom all can agree on... but they hated Jesus before they hated us, as it was written. All that is happening... has to happen
Segseg 2 years ago
VenomfangX is prejudice.
anthrax255 2 years ago
Against whom?
thereprieve 2 years ago
In sweden we put forth as much as we can into rehabilitation instead of punishing so the person can be a working member of the society.
So we have pretty low sentences, no death sentence and overally good prisons.
What will revenge help, we need to do what we can to make the person able to redirect his life. Keeping him locked or killing him won't do anything good, but if we can turn the tide...
Ofcourse this is determined, if it's a masskiller et.c it's nost much we can do.
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
@Deadandlivin - I absolutely applaud Sweden for it's work in rehab. You have a worldwide reputation for the humanitarianism that you show your criminals. I did not make that statement to promote revenge, I was hoping to open a dialogue for alternatives to capitol punishment. As I am against it but I have not put enough thought into alternatives.
Thank you for sharing and greetings from across the pond =)
thereprieve 2 years ago
No problem, I'm glad to :)
Ancient forms of punishment which we control useage of yet today is in fact, getting ancient.
I agree that humanity need better forms of punishements which actually serve some useage. Mere revenge, is close to useless unless you don't prohibit the satisfactory need of the victim's relatives and the victim itself.
I only have one absolute opinion about sentences, and I'm completely against any use of Death sentence.
Deadandlivin 2 years ago
"I'm completely against any use of Death sentence."
Me too. I am absolutely open to a discussion on alternatives. Including rehab that is proven to work.
Thanks again and peace be with you milady.
thereprieve 2 years ago
I agree with you being against the death sentence.. I suggest measures of using that person as an example for the rest of his/her lives towards others that are murderers. Perhaps that is confined and monitored services such as clothes manufacturing and other places where they will not feel power. Confinement is important but I don't think the death sentence sets a good example to human progression which is occuring in many areas of the world many topics.
luc59457 2 years ago
Drugs should be illegal, period.. That goes with government approved drugs such as nicotine and aspartame and others, passed by the FDA. Life should be enhanced by starting with that.
luc59457 2 years ago
Amen! Sing it brother! =)
agreed
thereprieve 2 years ago