Did Jesus Really Die on the Cross and Rise From the Dead? ( Shabir's OP ST - 2 of 4 )

[enspyah]

jesus said blessed are the peacemakers tht means muslim an he never said he was a chritian an he dealt with no religon muslim jus means peacemaker not tht he was in any form of religion

[littlegank]

Did JESUS ever claim to be a muslim? NEVER!

[mrjesuslover1000]

@littlegank He did, go read your Bible

You stupid fool..

[littlegank]

@mrjesuslover1000

Hahahahaha....you're funny but Jesus loves you, anyway....accept Him as your Lord and Savior today, it's a free gift from God....

[mrjesuslover1000]

@littlegank ^^ yes i know you are funny.

Christianity is a dead religion.

please go spend your time with jews

or go read your porn bible

[littlegank]

@mrjesuslover1000

No, it's not dead, it's rapidly growing in Asia and Africa, while many muslims want to immigrate to the west and become second-class citizens there. Christianity isn't a western religion anymore. Lots of Christian ministers from Asia have been sent to the western world these days. Well, you know, God works in mysterious ways...

Don't be caught dead without Jesus, accept Him now. Your good deeds, fasting, Muhammad can't get you into the Paradise, only Jesus can (Luke 23:43).

[mrjesuslover1000]

@littlegank you are right Christians in Asia and Africa are second-class citizens,

You are right lots of Christian ministers from Asia left Asia because they failed in Asia.

You are right, the west asked Christian ministers from Asia to talk in the western world to dead Christians to wakeup and to stop them to become a Muslim and an Atheist.

Poor you..

[doyanrujak]

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" Peter took HIM aside and began to rebuke HIM. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you! JESUS turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of GOD, but the things of men. " (Matthew 16:22-23)

- If you deny that JESUS died on the cross and then rose from the dead, you've listened to Satan's voice. Satan hates that JESUS died on the cross.

[steveniruthaya]

I have question. in bible act 2:23. Peter saying Jesus is nailed on cross. in act 2:24 peter saying death was held Jesus. Why would peter lie after he received holyspirit.

It is first day of christainity?.After peter received the power of god. why he would lie?

[no1saphead]

I didn't read any of this in the Origin of Species.

[IAMJESUSmovie]

Jesus Christ has returned. I AM.

[MrGrandDragon]

Jesus was a Muslim but Christians are not ready to accept this reality. To them the word Muslim has different connotations...

[IslamResponses]

Jazak Allah khair.

[08therickster]

Jesus Christ claimed to be Divine. "before Abraham, I am". There are only two possibilities. Either He told the truth or told a lie. If He told a lie He must either be a madman or a liar and great deciever and all His works and teachings are either insane babblings or the greatest of all deception and treachery ever seen on the earth. You cannot possibly consider Jesus only a prophet or a good teacher. He is either the Son of God or He is the greatest of all liars and madmen. He told the truth!!

[oombuddah]

I am - it is actually "I am HE" ...When being interogated by the jews, he said "i am he" many times and he was using this to describe that he was the messiah, son of God, sent by the Father, and he even clarified to them that God gave him ALL POWER. God GAVE him.

"I AM THAT I AM" = in hebrew, it is actually "I will be what I become"

It isn't "I am has sent me" It is "I will be has sent me."

[08therickster]

I AM also refers to the holiness and eternal nature of God. Jesus saying this meant that He had existed long before Abraham was ever born (Diety). This made the Pharisees mad and they tried to stone Him for blaspemy. The Bible is full of evidence that Jesus is the Son of God and if you don't believe this you have heart of stone. Jesus did claim to be Divine and He is. You only have two possible options with this. And only one is true. He either told the truth or told a lie. He told the truth!!!

[oombuddah]

I AM also refers to the holiness and eternal nature of God. - 100% a trinitarian claim only.

Jeremiah also existed before Abraham was born. Go to "Biblical unitarian - but what about john 1:1?" and also Biblical unitarians seperate article on "john 1:1" Jesus is not Word God, but an outward expression.

theos = God or god. You can't distinguish based on the text.

If you really look, Jesus only claimed to be Son of God, Christ and Prophet, not God the Son.

Jesus called Father "Only True God"

[oombuddah]

Read the context of the whole of chapter of John, all the dispute was about him being the Messiah. Not God lol

[08therickster]

John 1

The Eternal Word 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it.

I shall say no more, the Word speaks for itself! Cry out to God my friend that He might give you understanding!!

[oombuddah]

There are other translations...

The Word was a god.

AND

The what God was, the Word was.

Look at the proper interpretation from the sites I gave you.

Not even a trinitarian can 'REFUTE' it, but they can give an alternative suggestion.

[oombuddah]

He are fine in calling him Son of God, but not God the Son.

[Tchado1000]

you said : Jesus Christ claimed to be Divine. "before Abraham, I am"

first of all Jesus never claimed divinity .

There is another possibility , the Pagan unknown author of John who forged the Jesus in John's gospel invented the words and put them into Jesus's mouth when Jesus never spoke it , and this is the best possibility .

and dont give us that "either this or that" crap !

Jesus is a messenger of god,not the son of god , god himself and not a great liar ! how dare you slander god & Jesus?

[YahyaSnow]

That is ambiguous

[bensorah]

Jesus peace be upon him never told a lie, all the messengers of God never told lies. never said he was divine, never said worship me or my mother, never said worship the cross, never said he was God or the son of the God.

all of christianity started way after his death and mostly made up.

in the case of Islam, the whole religion was completed before Mohammed died peace and blessings of God be upon him.

Jesus was special in many ways, even special among prophets.

i'm a muslim as was Jesus.

[TwoAngelsVision]

I listened to Shabir's views, which are based on CIRCULAR REASONING. He assumes the Qur'an is true, then quotes from various sources and views to circle back to his original assumption that the Qur'an is true. Circular reasoning does not result in finding truth.

Since the Qur'an and the Bible are diametrical opposites on Jesus dying on the cross, one is false and the other is true. (Or they may both be FALSE).

Archaeological data must be used to determine which is true.

[TwoAngelsVision]

Archaeological data removes the false reasoning obtained from circular reasoning. Colin Hemer, a Classic Scholar wrote "The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History"

Each verse in Acts is correlated with archaeological data. Based on more than 160 correlations, intellectually honest people conclude that the book of Acts describes real history at the 99.9% confidence level. Therefore, we can conclude using data that the Biblical account is accurate.

[Tchado1000]

@TwoAngelsVision

how does ARCHEOLOGY prove the NARRATIONS in acts to be true ?

Just because it mentions certain rulers , cities , and historical facts doesn't make the NARRATIONS authentic , especially since the author is UNKNOWN.

and what about the historical MISTAKES ??

I don't deny that archeology does help in researching authenticity claims , but that doesn't make the narrations 100% true

[fcaarau4eva]

@bensorah

Im sorry but how can jesus could have been muslim while mohammed lived 600 Years after? Jesus was a jew. islam came much later!

[bensorah]

@fcaarau4eva

yes, Jesus was a jew , Moses too peace be upon them but the were all muslims as were all the prophets of God.

Islam is the ultimate message and the final revelation and all the prophets of God knew that and believed in it even before it was revealed to the world but they had their own message of God to deliver to mankind. simpler messages than Islam which they were leading to gradually.

Islam is the religion of the judgment day because it is God's complete message.

peace bro.

[fcaarau4eva]

@bensorah

so you consider all prophets as muslims because they tought the word of god?? listen i am a christian albanian and as you may know the majorety of albanians are sunnit muslims. and we live in peace and harmony and equalety whith each other. i do respect all religions. but you can not say that jesus (isa) or moses (musa) were muslims because they were prophets of gods... because when you speac about islam you talk about an religion which came much later then the bible.

[mrjesuslover1000]

@fcaarau4eva because Adam was a Muslim

Because Moses was a Muslim

Because David was a Muslim

Because Lot was a Muslim

Every single Prophet was a Muslim

Its so simple..

[AYEMAQ]

mashallah

i see shabir ali when i went to toronto mashallah i was sooooo exited

i love him for the sake of Allah subhana wo tallah

oh and he is veryyyyy very humble man