Why should I believe a protestant interpretation? Its a little wilted blade of grass next to the Eiffel tower of scholars, theologians, and holy people of the Catholic church for 2012 years.
"You are PETER, which means ROCK... and upon YOU I will build my Church".... it is INCREDIBLE that you an thousands of other brainwashed Protestants don't understand such a simple statement... seriously... It's.... wow....
Christ is the Architect who chose St. Peter to be the Foundation of (or Rock for) His Church. Christ is the Cornerstone, Peter a foundation.
Built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, JESUS Christ himself being the highest corner stone: In whom all building framed together, groweth into an holy temple in our Lord, [Eph. ii. 20-21]
Christ is the Head of the Church, the Pope, merely a Vicar.
The fact is, you're full of invalid excuses. Why don't you read the Early Church Fathers.
@christianstudents., you do realize that the Original was not Greek, right? Christ spoke in Aramaic, and Syriac to be exact. The word that was used, was Cephah (ܟ݁ܺܐܦ݂ܳܐ | Kîpâ) to which means Rock. Hence, Christ Said:
Thou art Cephah, and upon this Cephah. or Thou art Peter, and upon this peter.
Due to the Aramaic, there was/is no difference at all between Petrus and Petra.
1st off. Peter wasnt a catholic. He was a Jew and a follower of the Messiah. Who was perfect unlike Peter. In order to be a true Christian you must keep the commandments of God that were written in stone. John 14:15. Why do the catholics disregard so many of Gods laws? They put themselves in the place of God which is blasphemy. They worship idols, they dont keep the sabbath, they take the lords name in vane. Catholisism is not a true Christian faith. It is a mixture of Christianity & paganism
No! you are not smarter than Jesus, your wisdom is a foolishness to God. If against Jesus, then you just like your father, the father of all the liars, who murder from the beginning. In the Holy Bible, there is not one truth that contradicts to another truth. You need to see your doctor the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus said, "NO body can called Jesus as the Lord, but only the Holy Spirit." And by the power of the Holy Spirit you can understand what is the truth, -- that is Jesus.
sigh... how divisive of you... look into Dr.Scot Hahn, Dr. Peter Kreeft & Dr. Francis Beckwith all former major protestant scholars who have converted to Catholicism. Beckwith was the President of the American Evangelical Society prior to his conversion.
Peter is the Rock Jesus was talking about which he would build his church.
One problem with his arguement is that Jesus did'nt speak Greek, he spoke Aramaic, Thou art Kepha and on this Kepha i will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Both having one meaning which is Rock.
Indeed Peter is the Rock which which Jesus would build his church, the Catholic church which the gates of hell will not prevail against!!
If Peter was the 'rock' upon which the church would be built then he would have had to hang on the cross. He didn't. Christ did. Christ is the 'Rock' of our salvation. Christ is the Rock upon which the church is built. Petros ( a small pebble ) and petra ( a huge cliff ) are vastly different. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given.
Of course Peter was called "Petros" and not "Petra", because in Greek you don't assign a feminine noun like "Petra" to a masculine subject like Peter.
It has nothing to do with size, whatsoever. Furthermore, if you notice Jesus is asking Peter to identify him(Jesus), and in return Jesus identifies Simon(as the Rock).
@johnthreesixteen316 Despite being Protestant I must admit that if one reads the passage it appears to refer to Peter not all of the apostles. Even the KJV clearly states that Jesus is speaking to Peter:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
@Mechanized0 Hello friend. Do we as Christians have salvation through Christ? Yes we do. So Christ has given us the keys to Heaven as well. If a Roman Catholic takes one verse out of context without understanding what it means then Peter is the only one with any salvation. Thee and thou both have singular and plural positions.
@johnthreesixteen316 "Thee and thou both have singular and plural positions." Indeed. However, the term "thee" in this instance appears to be directed specifically toward Peter as is made obvious by their conversation. There does not appear to be any indication in the text that the word "thee" is referring to a number of individuals.
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@2000deg WRONG!! Peter was never called petra or petros Peter was called Cephas which translates to Rock, John 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.
...Actually Jesus names Simon (Peter) Cephas because he spoke Aramaic. Matthew and the other New Testament writers translated Cephas as "Petros" so they were not calling him "Petra" which would be a female name.
You seemed to have misused the passages and where it is leading too. Peter was speaking to the members and not refering to himself.
You said Petro and Petra. Petro is musculine and Petra is feminine. Peter is male so you have to use Petro. These are greek btw and not aramaic.
Besides you are wrong. Jesus didn't speak to his disciple greek, but aramaic. So therefore Peter is called Cephas in aramaic which means rock or stone in english.
HEIL! CONSTANTINE HEIL! CONSTANTINE the father and founder of the ROMAN catolic sect in the yr 313 and dont forget that constantine also founded the old basilica of st peter
This is a really disappointing reply. There are other places in scripture where "Rock" is used. Are we going to find every example of a rock and say that that is what Christ was refering to in Matthew? This just shows that Christ is the Cornerstone of the Church but it doesn't explain why Jesus said "Thou art Peter [Rock] and on this rock I will build my Church" come on ppl you dont need a university degree to figure this out the reality is ppl avoid this cuz they just dont like Catholics lol
No. We just love the truth. Do a search on "The Rock", both Old and New Testament.. As I debated with one I thought might have been a Jesuit priest, and convinced him, if you think The Rock in the Old Testament referred to Peter, you really have problems. Read the account of Simon Magus. I posted the link just minutes ago. Of course, if you wish to remain in darkness, that is your prerogative.
if peter was the head of christianity then how come jesus loved John more? do sum research. John saw alot of the prophecies and visions. Jesus also gave everybody the keys to to the kingdom of Heaven if you are Born-Again through Grace you are saved.
i didn't said "salvation is not only for the catholic church " But I was saying that "" catholic church is the right church which was created by Jesus and peter was the head of disciples and he was the first pope. Same as peter , other disciples also have the same power as peter. but gospels claim that peter was the head or leader of the disciples.
No. Stop. You are acting out of rage. If you truly believe that the Catholic Church is heretical, then back up your claim. Don't jump into the battle naked.
Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter's decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus' absence.
JESUS SEALED PETER'S AUTHORITY with THESE VERSES - John 21:15, 16 & 17
Constantinus (died April 9, 715) was pope from 708 to 715. He was a Syrian by birth and was consecrated pope on March 25, 708. He was eager to assert the supremacy of the papal see.
From October 710 to October 711 he went to Constantinople at the request of the emperor, Justinian II.
The Emperor wished to resolve the disagreements between the Eastern and Western Churches which had arisen out of the Quinisext Council of 692.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto YOU, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Petros vs Petra Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. The Aramaic leaves no room for the Petros/Petra distinction. In Aramaic the work for rock is Kephas(rock) and upon this Kephas(rock) I will build my church.
Jesus Christ established one Church on earth (Matthew 16:18), "the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15)." He positioned Peter as the first pope to guide the flock (John 21:15-17), and that position has been passed down through a linage of popes (Acts 1:20) to our current Pope Benedict XVI. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against this Church (Matthew 16:19).
The Catholic Church is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church that Jesus Christ himself established and sustains.
.....the Greek interpretation is incorrect as already stated a few times...nevermind the fact that Peter himself sure thought he was "The Rock" that Jesus appointed! Even secular history acknowledges this.
Me and gnrhead already crushed your argument in our response videos. There is good reason to trust the pope.
Jesus Christ established one Church on earth (Matthew 16:18), "the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15)." He positioned Peter as the first pope to guide the flock (John 21:15-17), and that position has been passed down through a linage of popes (Acts 1:20) to our current Pope Benedict XVI. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against this Church (Matthew 16:19).
It's hilarious that Protestants claim that Jesus was referring to Himself.... if so, then WHY IS HIS NAME NOT IN HIS STATEMENT??? He could have said, "I am The Rock and upon MYSELF I will build my Church... and I am speaking to you, Peter, to throw off thousands of people who later on a drunken German named martin Luther shall confuse real bad"
It's funny to me that the catholic church was estb. approx.300 AD. which in that in it self should say catholic religion is watered down from the 1st 100 years after the death and ressurection of the true ROCK. plus why is Peter picked to be the foundation for THE church?..It'salmost a comedy if it were not so eternally important..be as a child, believe JESUS is THE only WAY.,Peace be unto you in ythe grace Of GOD Through Jesus Christ our LORD.
It is the fundamental diff. between Protestants and Catholic. You think it is odd that Peter was chosen? The FIRST act of Christ ministry after his baptism was to go and appoint 12 otherwise ordinary men and through the holy spirit, invest them with extraordinary power and authority. He didn't just create an invisible church of believers, but a very visible church with undisputed authority and hierarchy.
This vid skips over the statements of Christ that follow...""Peter, I give to the the keys to the kingdom of heaven." "What you bind on earth is bound in heaven, what you loose on earth is lost in heaven." Petrine authority is black and white in scripture and is not disputable. What is the anti-petrine answer to these passages?
If the Catholic Church was established in 300 AD, then why do we have this quote in 110 AD by Ignatius of Antioch?
"...wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
Furthermore, why are there works published as far back as 80 AD detailing Catholic practices that are still observed today (such as the liturgical sacraments)?
Obviously, the Church dates back at least to a time in which the apostles lived and preached.
It is pretty clear from the Bible quotes in your vidio that Peter himself did clearly think of himself as the Rock, sharing in the name that is Christ. Slam dunk, time for you to admit that you aren't a Christian or to become one by joining the Catholic Church.
How can you possible say that Peter is not the Rock. Lord Jesus gave his own name to Peter and fullfilled the prophecy from Daniel. Trying to make an arguement to the Greek does not work because the Greek uses a construction that says that Peter MUST BE the Rock. Saying that Peter isn't the Rock in not just unbilical, it is actually anti-biblical since it directly goes against what the Bible says in plain clear langauge. Every translation of the Bible will say the same on this point.
much discussion is made about a difference between "petros" and "petra". must be remembered that greek nouns often have endings that show whether the noun is to be regarded as masculine or feminine. the word "petra" has the feminine ending, thus making it unsuitable to use as a man's name. thus the greek writers of the book of matthew may have decided to use the masculine word "petros" as the name that christ gave to simon, because "petros" and "petra" can be regarded as forms of the same word.
even if peter is not the "rock" mentioned in matthew 16: 18-19, it doesn't change the fact that christ gave peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven. that sounds like a pretty powerful thing to have. i see no bible verse showing that anyone else received keys to the kingdom of heaven.
also, christ ordained his 11 apostles for the great commission, and they ordained more clergy ( overseers and elders ), who ordained more clergy, who ordained more clergy, and so on down to today. is important to have clergy with ordinations stretching back to the 11 apostles, because those are the clergy who can transform the bread into christ's flesh during the lord's supper.
a few years ago, i switched from baptist to Catholic. i left the baptists when i saw that the Christian Church had to exist ever since the Apostolic era. no protestant or baptist or restorationist sect has been around that long. also, many protestants and baptists and restorationists claim that the Bible is the only source for Christian teaching. yet the Bible cannot be the only source for Christian teaching. one should focus on the fact that Christianity existed before the complete Bible did.
Had matthew wanted to say no more than than that Peter was a stone in contrast with Jesus the Rock, the more common word would have been lithos (stone of any size). Your interpretation make no sense, because in the metaphor Jesus is the BUILDER of the Church, not the foundation. Peter is the foundation upon which he builds. Get some new material as I said no real scholars hold this position anymore.
This arguement has been refuted so many times. Peter was the Rock and there are not many real scholars anymore that actually cling to that old arguement. With regards to Petros and Petra again your're dead wrong. In the Koine Greek dialect petros and petra are in face synonyms. In the Aramaic language in which Matthew was originally written, the word kepha would have been used in both cases. This is why in the gospels we see Peter sometimes refferred to as 'Cephas' or 'Kephas'.
You judge the popes and priests who have sinned against God through various ways. Yet the Bible says that only God can Judge Romans 14:4, Paul said we are to build up other Christians and not tear them down 2 Corithians 13:10. Who are you to judge us Catholics that we are not the true Church.
I used to get involved in such religious debate, but I now realize that it is futile for men to try and understand all the working of God. Instead we are called to humble ourselves and "Trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thy own understanding. Acknowledge Him in all thy ways and He will direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5-6.
ARE U CRAZY? first Our Lord called him ROCK, not stone. and where on earth did u hear that Rock means "humbile"?
secons, reguardless of meaning, if u agree that OLJC called Peter "the Rock" then u also agree that OLJC build His Church upon "this Rock." therefore u are BOUND to hear Peter and follow him and his successors.
Now this is all well and good. Thank the good Lord we're hashing this out rather than going and doing good works, welcoming those different from us with open arms and unconditional love. Why waste our time with that heavy-handed crap when we can brush up on our Greek roots? The National Spelling Bee's only three months away!
If you want Jesus's acceptance or the path to heaven or the celestial Wii or whatever, treat people how you want to be treated.
well, so what? you seem to want to distinguish Peter from Jesus, in that his confession of Jesus as the Messiah referred only to Jesus the corner stone. But Jesus in response gave Simon Bar-Jona a new name: Cephas, the Rock. You cannot interpret this in isolation from what he said subsequently: "And I will give thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and what thou bindest on earth shall be bound in heaven..."
Cont'd: Which mission to Peter? To bound and loose(forgive/not forgive sins:Mt.16:17-19;18:18;John 20:22-23),to strengthen his brothers:Lk.22:31-32,to feed the sheep:John 21:15-19,and to preside the apostolic succession: Acts 1:15-26; to give the Holy Spirit thru his hands:Acts 8:14-17.
Changing the name means giving a mission from God:to Abram/Abraham ( Gn.17,5-8),to Sarai/Sara (Gn. 17,15-16),to Jacob/Israel (Gn. 35,10-13),and to Simon/Simeon/Shimon=Kepha=Cephas=Rock=Peter (Mt. 16,18-19).
Those fellas who want to know the Aramaic name of Peter, just watch "The Passion of the Christ" when Jesus calls him in the Garden of Getzemani or the Olives.
If Jesus had called Peter "Petra", he would be calling him a girl. "Petros" is the masculine form of "Petra" which means rock. Besides, in a different gospel, Jesus calls Peter "Cephas" which also means rock. The gospels don't contradict eachother. Jesus appointed Peter as the visible head of the Church on earth, and the Pope is Peter's successor.
The language of Jesus and Peter is Aramaic. Example in Mt.27:46 "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?, in Mt 16:17 Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona. So Jesus talks to Peter in Aramaic. And Matthew's original gospel is in Aramaic which got lost.
Peter in Aramaic is Kephas(Rock) Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Halo. Whether if Matthew's gospel was written in Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek by the writer. My point is that Jesus spoke in Aramaic which was His language when He was still here on earth. Apostle Peter also known as Shimon "Keipha" Ben-Yonah/Bar-Yonah, Simon Peter, Cephas, Kephas and Keipha—original name Shimon or Simeon (Hebrew: שמעון)
put it in this way as the lord said to peter. mt.16:18 - and i say also unto thee, that thou art "kephas", and upon this "kephas" I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. jesus speaking in aramaic would have said would have said "ebna(small rock)". so jesus made peter as the head apostle.
Yes: Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. Kephas (Peter) heard "Thou are Kephas..." with a huge 200' x 400' rock formation directly behind Jesus. Pagan (live) animal sacrifices there were thrown into a seemingly bottomless pit with a well, called the Gates of Hell. "Kephas" was the Kephas of Christ's Church, one with a new living sacrifice (and baptism of water and word.) Google Image: "Caesarea Philippi"
and lets get another thing straight- the true church was moved from Jerusalem to rome by the emperor constatine and then later a pope was established as a church monarchy by another roman emeror. So the chruch itself was corrupted in the beginning from people who didnt believe in GOD.
And Only a few Verses Down - Jesus himself says to Peter - 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. -which clearly shows that what Jesus was saying to peter was nothing more than prophecy.
Jesus didnt literaly give peter the keys to Heaven. Read the whole Chapter PEOPLE!!!!. its called prophetic inverse.. This is a perfect example of how people take 1 Verse out context and try to make a religion out of it.
You people need to wake up and stop following OLD tradition crap that was handed down to You. You need to read the Bible and study it for yourself To learn the Truth. Dont be afraid to Ask Questions about things in the Bible that may not make sense.
Tradition is an important part of our Catholic faith.
If you only believe in the Bible and reject tradition...how can you justify the 100 or so years after Christ's death before many books were written, during which, everything done was done out of tradition?
We don't follow the traditions of men, but of Christ Himself.
your right there weren't any books. but oral tradition was the preaching of what did eventually get written. it wasn't the nonsense the rcc teaches as tradition,,,there isn't evidence of it that goes back to the apostles none, zero, nada! but it can be traced back in time to points centuries after the apostles. like in gnostic and pagan teachings that were rejected by true followers in Christ. the first believers were Jews, they had no clue what a RCC was because it didn't exsist yet.
Nonsense. You need to study real history instead of reading the anti-Catholic stuff. Read the fathers of the Church and you will find Catholic doctrine. The Church was united for the first millenium and defined Christian doctrine. This is where your doctrine comes from - except for the aberrations of the post-reformation period.
provide me one apostle that taught that mary is the queen of heaven,or that carried the host in any kind of thing that was put on display and worshipped. or any of the things that rome teaches?u won't find them.proving that they didn't come from the apostles.they are the ones that we are to follow.if you go outside of their teachings then your not truly following apostolic succession.your church teaches 3 types of early church fathers,and only provides you with the ones that she wants u2 know of
Mary is the Queen of Heaven because Jesus is the King. You don't understand that the Kingdom of God is real? The OT type is King David and Queen Bathsheeba, his mother. "He will sit on the throne of his father David forever." Mary is His mother. He chose her for this purpose.
The doctrine of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is taught in Scripture and witnessed in Tradition. The denial of this doctrine is a heresy - always has been and always will be.
sure i'll tell you, but first answer my questions. which apostle taugth that mary was queen of heaven. because then it would be true apostolic succession passed down from the apostles..not some cut an paste ideas that you have to imagine and guess at.
It's not a doctrine or a dogma - if that's what you mean. It's a title. I explained to you why it is applied to her. Mary is depicted as Queen of Heaven and Mother of the Redeemer in Rev 12.
The Bible, as you may have noticed, is not systematic and arranged like a catechism or a theology textbook or an encyclopedia. It contains the revelation of God which was entrusted to men. The teaching authority of the Church comes directly from Christ and is infallible.
The only biblical references to the "queen of heaven" in the bible are in the book of Jeremiah. For example Jeremiah 7:18 says.. "The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.
You somehow seem to have mindblock here where you can't see the difference between Mary the mother of God and the pagan God mentioned in Jeremiah. They are NOT the same person are they. Do you think that the 'Queen of Heaven' in Jeremiah and women in Rev12 1-6 are the same?
If you think that Mary is the 'queen of heaven", then where in the Bible does it call Mary, the mother of Jesus explicitly that title? Or is that simply another product of the imagination of the catholic church?
"Where in the Bible...explicitly...?" is not an argument. If everything true was explicitly "in the Bible," there would be no need for study, scholarship, or teaching authority - and everyone would agree.
Trinity is not in the Bible. Abortion is not in the Bible. Yet you cannot be a Christian and deny the Trinity, nor can abortion be regarded as anything but murder. These implicit teachings are no less true than anything which is deemed explicit in the Bible.
I have. What's your point? You seem to be falling into superstition by implying that no one can legitimately use a phrase ever uttered by a pagan!
The Bible also says of pagans that they, "say 'My God' to a rock." Does this mean that the Apostle Thomas was a pagan when he said, "My God" to Jesus? Or does it mean that Jesus is a pagan god?
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I asked you twice what your point was.
Again, third time, so what? She is depicted as a queen in Rev 12. Jesus is the king. In Israel, the king's mother was the queen.
"And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand." 1 Kings 2:19
"My kingdom is not of this world." Yes, it's in heaven. Mary is therefore Queen of Heaven.
"If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me." John 15:18-21
That verse applies to ALL that have Jesus in their hearts, To all believers not just Catholics, Peter or the Pope. Catholics are WAY less persecuted than Christians, or evangelicals, because they Accept things that are against scripture to satisfy the people. The Pope kissed the Quar'ran! People rarely say "I HATE CATHOLICS!" They say "I hate Christians" and they're usually referring to the evangelical kind because they're the ones that stand up for what the Bible instructs.
He never expected Peter to be perfect. Remember, "Peter, do you love Me?"
Jesus scolds Peter for committing a sin of pride in believing that he knew God's will better than His son. Pride is an attribute of Satan--the reason he fell in the first place.
I don't recall seeing Jesus say anywhere that some of His words are unimportant or without purpose. He said to Peter that He would build His church, with Peter as the foundation, and you say it was without meaning.
The Church has always been corrupt, and will be until the end of the world. HOWEVER, Christ says that the Gates of Hell would never prevail over it. It is established by Christ to lead people to God, and despite its imperfections from humans, it is still here today.
Your 'masculine/feminine of rock' argument is old and flawed. Peter would not be called by a feminine word, because he's a man. There are many more creative and more sound (though still lacking) arguments than this one.
If Peter wasn't the rock and Jesus was calling Peter a small stone, then why would Jesus have given Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven in the very next verse? Your Protestant interpretation of the verse doesn't fit the context.
[Christ] made answer: "You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church . . ." Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]? (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]). - Augusitine
Jesus didnt speak Greek to peter, he spoke Aramic.... and there is only one word for Rock... Kepha.
Why would Jesus speak to Peter in Greek? Why not just their native Language? Furthermore, why would everyone(the early christians) not even question Peter's Authority, until Matin Luther?
I don't follow Augustine either, but he, just like Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, help us follow Christ!
"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? "Behold, we have left all and have followed you" [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man That is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
Just because he says rock in one place doesnt mean the same rock ...
Excellent work Christian Student. Here is more "ammo" for your expose' of the popes of Rome. It uncovers who the REAL first pope was. The Vatican twisted a man's name to make it appear as Peter the Apostle. remnantofgod(dot)org/pope1.htm
thats alot of empty info. You say the Vatican twisted the information? Would you like to looks at all the documents and letters from 60 - 300 AD of saying Peter was in Rome and the one whom Jesus entrusted his Church to?
People need to quit fighting over protestant or cahtolicism. Denominations do not matter and need to be broken down and we need to go back to being one body. Christ is building His kingdom. What IS the MOST important things is DO YOU HAVE CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR?? CHRIST IS the ONLY way to Salvation. Salvation is the only issue worth fighting over.
Roman Catholics believe that you need to convert a wafer into Jesus and eat Him to be saved. This is not Christ Alone. If Christ is the only way, I only need HIM. He is the basis of true Unity.
... Apparently so did the rest of the CHRISTIANS believe that also...
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). - Ignatius of Antioch
Don't you know that Jesus did NOT speak Greek to Peter in this passage? He spoke Aramaic. Jesus calls Peter "Kepha" and there is no distinction for gender in Aramaic. Kepha is kepha whether female or male. When the Greek came up for the writings there had to be a distinction so that the name would not be in the female, therefore needing to translate "Kepha" into Petros for the male.
John (christianstudents) I think you better start studying THEOLOGY. You seem to be a "kindergarten" protestant at best. You don't seem to take Theology and Doctrine too seriously.
So why don't you buy some SERIOUS books on Theology, study GREEK, HEBREW, ARAMAIC & LATIN. Study the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS... etc,... this way you can actually "graduate" from your "kindergarten" knowledge of the Christian Faith.
If you are trusting Peter for salvation - you are not a follower of Christ. look at the language you are using. "I will never leave Peter"? to this I respond "Christ will never leave me nor forsake me, He is my Rock and my Salvation"My confidence is not in myself , but in another, even Christ.
Who said I am trusting Peter for Salvation? Why do you bend my words? Jesus gave His authority to his Apostles to pass on is the Truth (Matthew 16:19, 2 Peter 1:15)
The Church is here to be our Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15) It is here to guide us to Joy Everlasting. Jesus gave it to us as a gift, so why do you reject it?
peter is the rock of the church. church doesn't mean organization.. the believers are the church. He is the rock in the sense that he spread the original teachings of the word
From the grammar and the context...Peter is the Rock. Many Protestant scholars recognize the weakness of denying that Peter is the rock...and some like John Ankerberg declare that Peter has a "declaratory" power and does have the lead among the Apostles.
Protestants don't want to admit that Peter is the Rock that Christ chose to build his Church...yet after Peter gives his confession of faith in Matthew 16:16, the subject then switches to the PERSON of Peter in verses 17-19. Jesus said to Peter YOU are Peter, and upon THIS rock I will build my Church. I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven that whatsoever YOU bind on earth will be bound in heaven..." etc.
"built upon the foundations of the apostles and the prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief Corner Stone" Peter is a part of that building, but certainly not the chief Cornerstone or "the Rock of offense". so yes he is a rock among many, but not "The Rock"
Of course we don't need Peter to be saved, but Jesus defiantly put Peter in position to HELP, and to lead. Jesus gave him His Authority, and everyone else knew it, they listened to Him and those in Authority (Acts 15)
The way we follow Christ is through a Bible put together in the year 493 by the Council of Hippo of Roman Catholics...
Brother I will be praying for you, we should be able to unite in one faith, but we have had our quarrels over the last 500 years.... I am praying for unity in our Church, and I ask you to look at my responses from before, you never answered them.
We do not question Peter or the apostles, but the Vaticans interpretations/ your interpretations. We believe that the Vaican tried to appropiate Christianity in the year 300 with Augustine. They denied the validity of other orthodox churches and it became a political game. Thorughtout the Vaticans Reign Millions were Murdered in the Name of Christ. If you believe Christ Dwells in a wafer changed by Popes and Priest - you are in opposition to the Gospel.
Uhhh I don't how many times I said what Jesus said IN THE GOSPELS - He is the bread from Heaven, true flesh and true blood, how is that in opposition of the Gospel? Millions murdered? Don't use that, because I could use Puritans "murdering" as well, but we all have sinned.
And how do you believe we tried to "appropriate Christianity in the year 300 with Augustine?"
Also, if you do not question Peter and the apostles, then why don't you believe in the "wafer"? Clearly, Clearly they did, not just from Biblical Writings but their own writings, called the Didache, and how that was passed on, really until this present day.
The reason I write is to to "win" and score points, but to defend something you are bending and letting people see is NOT EVEN WHAT we believe. If you are going to write something or show something, back it up with something real please.
why is that you have to put down a faith instead of lifting up your own? isn't spreading the Gospel of Christ based on living your life in His image and likeness. never in the Bible did God say "Go forth my child and judge."
Thanks for such an honest and truthful video. I too, am an xcatholic, 20 yrs ago I found Jesus. Christ Jesus is the Rock that He is building His church on. Peter denied Jesus 3 times also, after name change, and he was married. There is just so much clear evidence pointing to Jesus is the Rock. I stand in Christ...
Rev 12, the woman about ready to give birth, is His church that is being built upon that rock. We are the body of Christ, we are His church that is built on Him. Jesus is the rock that His church is built on. God is good and He will bring all darkness to light. Thank you and bless you brother.
catholics have given themselves a bad name. Jesus will bring their evil to light. Jesus is the rock, that His church is being built on. Read 1Peter 2:4,5,6,7,8 in his own words he tells us that Jesus is the rock. Satan controls the papacy. You will find out, because our bodies will die.
I am a Christian and unfortunately not all professing Christians understand the whole bible. Anyone that argues with you on this subject is off track.
My brothers in Christ, a lot of time and emotion is being spent here focusing on our differences, when we should be spending at least as much time and emotion on the 80-90% of the doctrines that we share as Christians. (cont)
(cont) I challenge you all to do what I do: I, a Catholic, participate in a weekly bible study with four Protestant friends (who represent among them experience with Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Orthodox, and Unitarian traditions) -- we don't try to convert each other, we just try to strengthen each other's common faith in Christ (this is in addition to my weekly Catholic prayer and bible study group). God's love and peace be with you!
Why should I believe a protestant interpretation? Its a little wilted blade of grass next to the Eiffel tower of scholars, theologians, and holy people of the Catholic church for 2012 years.
sue200012 1 month ago
"You are PETER, which means ROCK... and upon YOU I will build my Church".... it is INCREDIBLE that you an thousands of other brainwashed Protestants don't understand such a simple statement... seriously... It's.... wow....
ChrisDaron 5 months ago
Peter IS the rock.
rdalbright1 7 months ago
Christ is the Architect who chose St. Peter to be the Foundation of (or Rock for) His Church. Christ is the Cornerstone, Peter a foundation.
Built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, JESUS Christ himself being the highest corner stone: In whom all building framed together, groweth into an holy temple in our Lord, [Eph. ii. 20-21]
Christ is the Head of the Church, the Pope, merely a Vicar.
The fact is, you're full of invalid excuses. Why don't you read the Early Church Fathers.
3987Gara 8 months ago
@christianstudents., you do realize that the Original was not Greek, right? Christ spoke in Aramaic, and Syriac to be exact. The word that was used, was Cephah (ܟ݁ܺܐܦ݂ܳܐ | Kîpâ) to which means Rock. Hence, Christ Said:
Thou art Cephah, and upon this Cephah. or Thou art Peter, and upon this peter.
Due to the Aramaic, there was/is no difference at all between Petrus and Petra.
3987Gara 8 months ago
1st off. Peter wasnt a catholic. He was a Jew and a follower of the Messiah. Who was perfect unlike Peter. In order to be a true Christian you must keep the commandments of God that were written in stone. John 14:15. Why do the catholics disregard so many of Gods laws? They put themselves in the place of God which is blasphemy. They worship idols, they dont keep the sabbath, they take the lords name in vane. Catholisism is not a true Christian faith. It is a mixture of Christianity & paganism
journeyquest1 9 months ago
No! you are not smarter than Jesus, your wisdom is a foolishness to God. If against Jesus, then you just like your father, the father of all the liars, who murder from the beginning. In the Holy Bible, there is not one truth that contradicts to another truth. You need to see your doctor the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus said, "NO body can called Jesus as the Lord, but only the Holy Spirit." And by the power of the Holy Spirit you can understand what is the truth, -- that is Jesus.
valio2750 10 months ago
THIS GUY IS A HERETIC! PAY NO MIND TO HIS FALSE TEACHINGS + he SOUNDS FEMININE...
8dodger7 11 months ago
Boy you have alot of learning to do! Get back to the one true Church..
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
If Peter is not "the rock" upon which Jesus said He would build His Church then Jesus used piss poor confusing language.
JonWRowe 1 year ago
sigh... how divisive of you... look into Dr.Scot Hahn, Dr. Peter Kreeft & Dr. Francis Beckwith all former major protestant scholars who have converted to Catholicism. Beckwith was the President of the American Evangelical Society prior to his conversion.
megaead69 1 year ago
Were does Peter call Jesus "petra"?
2000deg 1 year ago
Tiresome isn't it, listening to people of this age when the people of the time of Jesus obviously agreed on the Peter leader bit.
no1hoopsman 1 year ago
Peter is the Rock Jesus was talking about which he would build his church.
One problem with his arguement is that Jesus did'nt speak Greek, he spoke Aramaic, Thou art Kepha and on this Kepha i will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Both having one meaning which is Rock.
Indeed Peter is the Rock which which Jesus would build his church, the Catholic church which the gates of hell will not prevail against!!
brandonying 1 year ago
If Peter was the 'rock' upon which the church would be built then he would have had to hang on the cross. He didn't. Christ did. Christ is the 'Rock' of our salvation. Christ is the Rock upon which the church is built. Petros ( a small pebble ) and petra ( a huge cliff ) are vastly different. 1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given.
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
Of course Peter was called "Petros" and not "Petra", because in Greek you don't assign a feminine noun like "Petra" to a masculine subject like Peter.
It has nothing to do with size, whatsoever. Furthermore, if you notice Jesus is asking Peter to identify him(Jesus), and in return Jesus identifies Simon(as the Rock).
lightninlad 2 years ago 3
@johnthreesixteen316 There is no "petros" in Greek. Its is only used as a name for Peter.
2000deg 1 year ago
@2000deg Hello friend. Petros is masculine and Petra is feminine. Petra always refers to Christ in the New Testament. Christ is the Rock.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Hi. And who has they keys to heaven and the power to loose and bind? Its Peter.
2000deg 1 year ago
@2000deg If you read the 'whole' New Testament you will see that Christ gave the keys to ALL of the apostles, not just Peter.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago 2
@johnthreesixteen316 You might want to take a look a this video:
watch?v=82aFlmdtRLw
2000deg 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Despite being Protestant I must admit that if one reads the passage it appears to refer to Peter not all of the apostles. Even the KJV clearly states that Jesus is speaking to Peter:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
----Matthew 16:19
When one uses the word "thee" it is singular not plural.
Mechanized0 1 year ago
@Mechanized0 Hello friend. Do we as Christians have salvation through Christ? Yes we do. So Christ has given us the keys to Heaven as well. If a Roman Catholic takes one verse out of context without understanding what it means then Peter is the only one with any salvation. Thee and thou both have singular and plural positions.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 "Thee and thou both have singular and plural positions." Indeed. However, the term "thee" in this instance appears to be directed specifically toward Peter as is made obvious by their conversation. There does not appear to be any indication in the text that the word "thee" is referring to a number of individuals.
Mechanized0 1 year ago
TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC TEACHING IS TRUTH IN FULNESS... IF YOU STUDY HISTORY AND THEOLOGY OF THE CHURCH YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH! PROTESTANTINISM IS BAD BUSINESS, PLEASE STUDY SO THAT YOU MAY NOT BE DECIEVED BY PROTESTANTS AND/OR THE FALSE VATICAN 2 COUNCIL... YOUR SOUL WILL BE THANKFUL LATER.
8dodger7 11 months ago
@8dodger7 That's a lie.
EmilyGreene1984 10 months ago
@2000deg WRONG!! Peter was never called petra or petros Peter was called Cephas which translates to Rock, John 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
...Actually Jesus names Simon (Peter) Cephas because he spoke Aramaic. Matthew and the other New Testament writers translated Cephas as "Petros" so they were not calling him "Petra" which would be a female name.
jrblack83 2 years ago
"The wise man builds his house upon the rock!"
Jesus is the wise man. Enough said.
jrblack83 2 years ago
@jrblack83
AMEN!!!
pattygiroux 1 year ago
You seemed to have misused the passages and where it is leading too. Peter was speaking to the members and not refering to himself.
You said Petro and Petra. Petro is musculine and Petra is feminine. Peter is male so you have to use Petro. These are greek btw and not aramaic.
Besides you are wrong. Jesus didn't speak to his disciple greek, but aramaic. So therefore Peter is called Cephas in aramaic which means rock or stone in english.
Naturalhit 2 years ago
Great. They see what they want to see. Keep exposing this cult.
catholicexodus 2 years ago 2
HEIL! CONSTANTINE HEIL! CONSTANTINE the father and founder of the ROMAN catolic sect in the yr 313 and dont forget that constantine also founded the old basilica of st peter
hamlets7 2 years ago
This is a really disappointing reply. There are other places in scripture where "Rock" is used. Are we going to find every example of a rock and say that that is what Christ was refering to in Matthew? This just shows that Christ is the Cornerstone of the Church but it doesn't explain why Jesus said "Thou art Peter [Rock] and on this rock I will build my Church" come on ppl you dont need a university degree to figure this out the reality is ppl avoid this cuz they just dont like Catholics lol
gointothetop 2 years ago
Well, if that is the case, why, in just a few verses later are the disciples asking "Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?"
According to what you say, that was already answered when Jesus called Peter "the rock."
On faith is a church built. The more believers you have, the more of a church you have.
There is only one true church. ANd God knows who is in his church cause God knoweth the heart.
Without true faith in Jesus, you are not part of the church.
LiquidSmooth 2 years ago
No. We just love the truth. Do a search on "The Rock", both Old and New Testament.. As I debated with one I thought might have been a Jesuit priest, and convinced him, if you think The Rock in the Old Testament referred to Peter, you really have problems. Read the account of Simon Magus. I posted the link just minutes ago. Of course, if you wish to remain in darkness, that is your prerogative.
AmericaSlumbers 2 years ago
God bless the Catholic church!!
RockyBalboa211 3 years ago
STATUES & PICTURES OF THE SAINTS ARE NOT IDOLS
ADAM & EVE IS OUR 1st PARENTS SO WE ARE ALL BROTHERS & SISTERS THESE PICTURES IS LIKE THE FAMILY PHOTO ALBUM
God commands images made. Exodus 25:18-22, Exodus 26:1,31, Numbers 21:8-9,
Solomon's temple: statues and images. 1 Kings 6:23-29, 35, 7:29
TYPES OF RESPECT:
PEASANT GENUFLECT/KNEEL FRONT OF THE KINGS & QUEENS
JAPANESE BOW TO OTHER PEOPLE
FILIPINOS KISS THE HANDS OF THEIR ELDERS
DO WE WORSHIP THE MONUMENT OF GEORGE WASHINGTON?
junmeskie 3 years ago
the catholic church is the only true church becuase they only follow what christ really told.
catholics do not believe peter is rock.
rock is jesus
the word rock that jesus describes is peter as the name, not the fact that he is the centre rock everything.
but peter was the head of the christianity. and he has the keys to open kingdom of heaven. this means the pope can open heaven.
if u believe in bible you should believe this. if not u r not a christian.
tonysimon12 3 years ago
if peter was the head of christianity then how come jesus loved John more? do sum research. John saw alot of the prophecies and visions. Jesus also gave everybody the keys to to the kingdom of Heaven if you are Born-Again through Grace you are saved.
RideWitChrist 3 years ago 2
i didn't said "salvation is not only for the catholic church " But I was saying that "" catholic church is the right church which was created by Jesus and peter was the head of disciples and he was the first pope. Same as peter , other disciples also have the same power as peter. but gospels claim that peter was the head or leader of the disciples.
tonysimon12 3 years ago
Actually the Ctaholic Church is in heresy and the True Church of Christ is Holy Orthodoxy.
E3Harrison 3 years ago
No. Stop. You are acting out of rage. If you truly believe that the Catholic Church is heretical, then back up your claim. Don't jump into the battle naked.
will493 3 years ago
VERSES FOR PRIMACY OF ST. PETER
Mt. 16:18-19, Is. 22:22, Lk. 22:32, Jn. 21:17, Mk. 16:17, Lk. 24:34, Acts 1:13-26, Acts 2:14, Acts 3:6-7, Acts 5:1-11, Acts 8:21, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 15:7, Acts15:19, Gal 1:18, Gal 2:11-14, Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13 - Peter's name always heads list of Apostles. Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7 - "Peter and his companions" Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45, 12:41; Jn 6:69 spoke for Apostles.
Peter's name occurs 195 more times than the other Apostles put together
junmeskie 3 years ago
POPE AND AUTHORITY
Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter's decisions would be binding in heaven. He also gave similar power to the other apostles (Catholic Bishops) (Matt. 18:18), but only Pope Peter was given the keys, symbols of his authority to rule the Church on earth in Jesus' absence.
JESUS SEALED PETER'S AUTHORITY with THESE VERSES - John 21:15, 16 & 17
junmeskie 3 years ago
SHEPHERD aka FATHER - PAPA - POPE
From the beginning God has been shepherding his children from Noah, Abraham, Moses to Peter (First Pope) and now Pope Benedict 16
== WITHOUT AN AUTHORITATIVE FIGURE SEE THE RESULT ====
---- Over 38,000 Protestants Confused Denominations ---
junmeskie 3 years ago
Peter was not the first pope, Constantine was, do sum research.
RideWitChrist 3 years ago
ok I did research lol on
Pope Constantine or
Constantinus (died April 9, 715) was pope from 708 to 715. He was a Syrian by birth and was consecrated pope on March 25, 708. He was eager to assert the supremacy of the papal see.
From October 710 to October 711 he went to Constantinople at the request of the emperor, Justinian II.
The Emperor wished to resolve the disagreements between the Eastern and Western Churches which had arisen out of the Quinisext Council of 692.
GOOGLE
list of popes
junmeskie 3 years ago
why does people focus on the "Rock"??? alot of people ignore the "keys"...whom did Jesus give the keys to? peter...
truthisbetter 3 years ago
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18And I say also unto YOU, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Seanfor22 3 years ago
May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Seanfor22 3 years ago
Petros vs Petra Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. The Aramaic leaves no room for the Petros/Petra distinction. In Aramaic the work for rock is Kephas(rock) and upon this Kephas(rock) I will build my church.
Seanfor22 3 years ago
............Do you know Greek????
pxgardner 3 years ago
Jesus Christ established one Church on earth (Matthew 16:18), "the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15)." He positioned Peter as the first pope to guide the flock (John 21:15-17), and that position has been passed down through a linage of popes (Acts 1:20) to our current Pope Benedict XVI. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against this Church (Matthew 16:19).
The Catholic Church is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church that Jesus Christ himself established and sustains.
SeptemberCatholic18 3 years ago
.....the Greek interpretation is incorrect as already stated a few times...nevermind the fact that Peter himself sure thought he was "The Rock" that Jesus appointed! Even secular history acknowledges this.
SAINThoodSEEKER 3 years ago
im so sad...that people reject Christ's vicar and his succesors...well i hope Saint Peter is praying for us all.
bluetiger3001 3 years ago 2
I am sad you trust in the pope/s
christianstudents 3 years ago 4
Me and gnrhead already crushed your argument in our response videos. There is good reason to trust the pope.
Jesus Christ established one Church on earth (Matthew 16:18), "the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15)." He positioned Peter as the first pope to guide the flock (John 21:15-17), and that position has been passed down through a linage of popes (Acts 1:20) to our current Pope Benedict XVI. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against this Church (Matthew 16:19).
SeptemberCatholic18 3 years ago
@christianstudents
You're an IDIOT. The pope is nothing but a shepherd.
YassouDylan 1 year ago
@christianstudents Jesus trusted Peter.... how sad the GOD did trust Peter, huh?
ChrisDaron 5 months ago
It's hilarious that Protestants claim that Jesus was referring to Himself.... if so, then WHY IS HIS NAME NOT IN HIS STATEMENT??? He could have said, "I am The Rock and upon MYSELF I will build my Church... and I am speaking to you, Peter, to throw off thousands of people who later on a drunken German named martin Luther shall confuse real bad"
ChrisDaron 5 months ago
that should be thubs down i pressed thumbs up
pray4jerusalem 3 years ago
It's funny to me that the catholic church was estb. approx.300 AD. which in that in it self should say catholic religion is watered down from the 1st 100 years after the death and ressurection of the true ROCK. plus why is Peter picked to be the foundation for THE church?..It'salmost a comedy if it were not so eternally important..be as a child, believe JESUS is THE only WAY.,Peace be unto you in ythe grace Of GOD Through Jesus Christ our LORD.
waxcold 3 years ago
It is the fundamental diff. between Protestants and Catholic. You think it is odd that Peter was chosen? The FIRST act of Christ ministry after his baptism was to go and appoint 12 otherwise ordinary men and through the holy spirit, invest them with extraordinary power and authority. He didn't just create an invisible church of believers, but a very visible church with undisputed authority and hierarchy.
desertfalcon 3 years ago
This vid skips over the statements of Christ that follow...""Peter, I give to the the keys to the kingdom of heaven." "What you bind on earth is bound in heaven, what you loose on earth is lost in heaven." Petrine authority is black and white in scripture and is not disputable. What is the anti-petrine answer to these passages?
desertfalcon 3 years ago 2
If the Catholic Church was established in 300 AD, then why do we have this quote in 110 AD by Ignatius of Antioch?
"...wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
Furthermore, why are there works published as far back as 80 AD detailing Catholic practices that are still observed today (such as the liturgical sacraments)?
Obviously, the Church dates back at least to a time in which the apostles lived and preached.
SeptemberCatholic18 3 years ago
It is pretty clear from the Bible quotes in your vidio that Peter himself did clearly think of himself as the Rock, sharing in the name that is Christ. Slam dunk, time for you to admit that you aren't a Christian or to become one by joining the Catholic Church.
GuRiRu 3 years ago
How can you possible say that Peter is not the Rock. Lord Jesus gave his own name to Peter and fullfilled the prophecy from Daniel. Trying to make an arguement to the Greek does not work because the Greek uses a construction that says that Peter MUST BE the Rock. Saying that Peter isn't the Rock in not just unbilical, it is actually anti-biblical since it directly goes against what the Bible says in plain clear langauge. Every translation of the Bible will say the same on this point.
GuRiRu 3 years ago
much discussion is made about a difference between "petros" and "petra". must be remembered that greek nouns often have endings that show whether the noun is to be regarded as masculine or feminine. the word "petra" has the feminine ending, thus making it unsuitable to use as a man's name. thus the greek writers of the book of matthew may have decided to use the masculine word "petros" as the name that christ gave to simon, because "petros" and "petra" can be regarded as forms of the same word.
coventrygardens 3 years ago
even if peter is not the "rock" mentioned in matthew 16: 18-19, it doesn't change the fact that christ gave peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven. that sounds like a pretty powerful thing to have. i see no bible verse showing that anyone else received keys to the kingdom of heaven.
coventrygardens 3 years ago
also, christ ordained his 11 apostles for the great commission, and they ordained more clergy ( overseers and elders ), who ordained more clergy, who ordained more clergy, and so on down to today. is important to have clergy with ordinations stretching back to the 11 apostles, because those are the clergy who can transform the bread into christ's flesh during the lord's supper.
coventrygardens 3 years ago
a few years ago, i switched from baptist to Catholic. i left the baptists when i saw that the Christian Church had to exist ever since the Apostolic era. no protestant or baptist or restorationist sect has been around that long. also, many protestants and baptists and restorationists claim that the Bible is the only source for Christian teaching. yet the Bible cannot be the only source for Christian teaching. one should focus on the fact that Christianity existed before the complete Bible did.
coventrygardens 3 years ago
WOW how can a poor comment gets? never mind u beat all them!
however keep trying you'll get there once you study a little more about history and common sense
JesusIsProtestant 3 years ago
Had matthew wanted to say no more than than that Peter was a stone in contrast with Jesus the Rock, the more common word would have been lithos (stone of any size). Your interpretation make no sense, because in the metaphor Jesus is the BUILDER of the Church, not the foundation. Peter is the foundation upon which he builds. Get some new material as I said no real scholars hold this position anymore.
MTLFAN11 3 years ago
This arguement has been refuted so many times. Peter was the Rock and there are not many real scholars anymore that actually cling to that old arguement. With regards to Petros and Petra again your're dead wrong. In the Koine Greek dialect petros and petra are in face synonyms. In the Aramaic language in which Matthew was originally written, the word kepha would have been used in both cases. This is why in the gospels we see Peter sometimes refferred to as 'Cephas' or 'Kephas'.
MTLFAN11 3 years ago
You judge the popes and priests who have sinned against God through various ways. Yet the Bible says that only God can Judge Romans 14:4, Paul said we are to build up other Christians and not tear them down 2 Corithians 13:10. Who are you to judge us Catholics that we are not the true Church.
angelmezzanine 3 years ago
I used to get involved in such religious debate, but I now realize that it is futile for men to try and understand all the working of God. Instead we are called to humble ourselves and "Trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thy own understanding. Acknowledge Him in all thy ways and He will direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5-6.
eagler35 3 years ago
God bless you brother. stone= humble, bowed down.
B0thergirl 4 years ago
ARE U CRAZY? first Our Lord called him ROCK, not stone. and where on earth did u hear that Rock means "humbile"?
secons, reguardless of meaning, if u agree that OLJC called Peter "the Rock" then u also agree that OLJC build His Church upon "this Rock." therefore u are BOUND to hear Peter and follow him and his successors.
evi410 4 years ago 8
You got it. Peter's such an asshole, right?
Now this is all well and good. Thank the good Lord we're hashing this out rather than going and doing good works, welcoming those different from us with open arms and unconditional love. Why waste our time with that heavy-handed crap when we can brush up on our Greek roots? The National Spelling Bee's only three months away!
If you want Jesus's acceptance or the path to heaven or the celestial Wii or whatever, treat people how you want to be treated.
BUSean 4 years ago
well, so what? you seem to want to distinguish Peter from Jesus, in that his confession of Jesus as the Messiah referred only to Jesus the corner stone. But Jesus in response gave Simon Bar-Jona a new name: Cephas, the Rock. You cannot interpret this in isolation from what he said subsequently: "And I will give thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and what thou bindest on earth shall be bound in heaven..."
dickglover 4 years ago
and that is supposed to prove what?.....LOL.....fundies are so funny...and circular in their reasoning....
statnerd52 4 years ago
The Greek words for "little rock" or "massive rock" do not exist in the Koine Greek that The New Testament was written in.
Therefore, when Jesus said "rock", he said nothing but "rock".
So sayeth my native Greek speaking friend.
TemplarRican 4 years ago
HAHA Enjoy your stay in Hell...
jhilto66 4 years ago
Cont'd: Which mission to Peter? To bound and loose(forgive/not forgive sins:Mt.16:17-19;18:18;John 20:22-23),to strengthen his brothers:Lk.22:31-32,to feed the sheep:John 21:15-19,and to preside the apostolic succession: Acts 1:15-26; to give the Holy Spirit thru his hands:Acts 8:14-17.
efrarom 4 years ago
Changing the name means giving a mission from God:to Abram/Abraham ( Gn.17,5-8),to Sarai/Sara (Gn. 17,15-16),to Jacob/Israel (Gn. 35,10-13),and to Simon/Simeon/Shimon=Kepha=Cephas=Rock=Peter (Mt. 16,18-19).
efrarom 4 years ago
Those fellas who want to know the Aramaic name of Peter, just watch "The Passion of the Christ" when Jesus calls him in the Garden of Getzemani or the Olives.
efrarom 4 years ago
If Jesus had called Peter "Petra", he would be calling him a girl. "Petros" is the masculine form of "Petra" which means rock. Besides, in a different gospel, Jesus calls Peter "Cephas" which also means rock. The gospels don't contradict eachother. Jesus appointed Peter as the visible head of the Church on earth, and the Pope is Peter's successor.
tripleb333 4 years ago
The language of Jesus and Peter is Aramaic. Example in Mt.27:46 "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?, in Mt 16:17 Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona. So Jesus talks to Peter in Aramaic. And Matthew's original gospel is in Aramaic which got lost.
Peter in Aramaic is Kephas(Rock) Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
ericktiu 4 years ago
Yes - what is your point ??
It is not Kephas in any biblical manuscript that I know of. which manuscript is in Aramaic ??
The greek manuscripts have portions in Aramaic but as a whole they are in Greek.
please show me a manuscript that had it as Kephas.
christianstudents 4 years ago
Halo. Whether if Matthew's gospel was written in Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek by the writer. My point is that Jesus spoke in Aramaic which was His language when He was still here on earth. Apostle Peter also known as Shimon "Keipha" Ben-Yonah/Bar-Yonah, Simon Peter, Cephas, Kephas and Keipha—original name Shimon or Simeon (Hebrew: שמעון)
ericktiu 4 years ago
Here you are Sir: John 1:42;Mk. 3:16;
1 Cor.1:12; Gal.1:18;2:9.11.14; and others.
Ant they are in the Bible (for your info.)
efrarom 4 years ago
put it in this way as the lord said to peter. mt.16:18 - and i say also unto thee, that thou art "kephas", and upon this "kephas" I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. jesus speaking in aramaic would have said would have said "ebna(small rock)". so jesus made peter as the head apostle.
ericktiu 4 years ago
Yes: Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. Kephas (Peter) heard "Thou are Kephas..." with a huge 200' x 400' rock formation directly behind Jesus. Pagan (live) animal sacrifices there were thrown into a seemingly bottomless pit with a well, called the Gates of Hell. "Kephas" was the Kephas of Christ's Church, one with a new living sacrifice (and baptism of water and word.) Google Image: "Caesarea Philippi"
michiganois 4 years ago
You don't only have grounds to say it.
But you have Bible to say it.
Those who disagree, don't believe the Bible.
Peter means pebble!
Psalm127v3 4 years ago
Catholicism is a perverted form of Christianity.
boomya555 4 years ago
and lets get another thing straight- the true church was moved from Jerusalem to rome by the emperor constatine and then later a pope was established as a church monarchy by another roman emeror. So the chruch itself was corrupted in the beginning from people who didnt believe in GOD.
boomya555 4 years ago
And Only a few Verses Down - Jesus himself says to Peter - 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. -which clearly shows that what Jesus was saying to peter was nothing more than prophecy.
boomya555 4 years ago 2
Jesus didnt literaly give peter the keys to Heaven. Read the whole Chapter PEOPLE!!!!. its called prophetic inverse.. This is a perfect example of how people take 1 Verse out context and try to make a religion out of it.
boomya555 4 years ago 2
You people need to wake up and stop following OLD tradition crap that was handed down to You. You need to read the Bible and study it for yourself To learn the Truth. Dont be afraid to Ask Questions about things in the Bible that may not make sense.
boomya555 4 years ago
Tradition is an important part of our Catholic faith.
If you only believe in the Bible and reject tradition...how can you justify the 100 or so years after Christ's death before many books were written, during which, everything done was done out of tradition?
We don't follow the traditions of men, but of Christ Himself.
Pax et Bonum!
nibbuls 4 years ago
your right there weren't any books. but oral tradition was the preaching of what did eventually get written. it wasn't the nonsense the rcc teaches as tradition,,,there isn't evidence of it that goes back to the apostles none, zero, nada! but it can be traced back in time to points centuries after the apostles. like in gnostic and pagan teachings that were rejected by true followers in Christ. the first believers were Jews, they had no clue what a RCC was because it didn't exsist yet.
shanana000 3 years ago
Nonsense. You need to study real history instead of reading the anti-Catholic stuff. Read the fathers of the Church and you will find Catholic doctrine. The Church was united for the first millenium and defined Christian doctrine. This is where your doctrine comes from - except for the aberrations of the post-reformation period.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
provide me one apostle that taught that mary is the queen of heaven,or that carried the host in any kind of thing that was put on display and worshipped. or any of the things that rome teaches?u won't find them.proving that they didn't come from the apostles.they are the ones that we are to follow.if you go outside of their teachings then your not truly following apostolic succession.your church teaches 3 types of early church fathers,and only provides you with the ones that she wants u2 know of
shanana000 3 years ago
Mary is the Queen of Heaven because Jesus is the King. You don't understand that the Kingdom of God is real? The OT type is King David and Queen Bathsheeba, his mother. "He will sit on the throne of his father David forever." Mary is His mother. He chose her for this purpose.
The doctrine of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is taught in Scripture and witnessed in Tradition. The denial of this doctrine is a heresy - always has been and always will be.
Only one apostolic Faith.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
"your church teaches 3 types of early church fathers,and only provides you with the ones that she wants u2 know of"
Can you explain what you mean by this statement? Who are the secret fathers that we are not allowed to know about?
Thanks.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
sure i'll tell you, but first answer my questions. which apostle taugth that mary was queen of heaven. because then it would be true apostolic succession passed down from the apostles..not some cut an paste ideas that you have to imagine and guess at.
shanana000 3 years ago
It's not a doctrine or a dogma - if that's what you mean. It's a title. I explained to you why it is applied to her. Mary is depicted as Queen of Heaven and Mother of the Redeemer in Rev 12.
The Bible, as you may have noticed, is not systematic and arranged like a catechism or a theology textbook or an encyclopedia. It contains the revelation of God which was entrusted to men. The teaching authority of the Church comes directly from Christ and is infallible.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
The only biblical references to the "queen of heaven" in the bible are in the book of Jeremiah. For example Jeremiah 7:18 says.. "The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.
Jeremiah 7:17-19 . She is a goddess, a pagan one!
LindenOak 3 years ago
"The only biblical references to the 'queen of heaven' in the bible are in the book of Jeremiah"
So what?
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
Read the last part of Jeremiah 7:17-19.
LindenOak 3 years ago
You somehow seem to have mindblock here where you can't see the difference between Mary the mother of God and the pagan God mentioned in Jeremiah. They are NOT the same person are they. Do you think that the 'Queen of Heaven' in Jeremiah and women in Rev12 1-6 are the same?
MTLFAN11 3 years ago
LOL mindblock..I meant mental block
MTLFAN11 3 years ago
If you think that Mary is the 'queen of heaven", then where in the Bible does it call Mary, the mother of Jesus explicitly that title? Or is that simply another product of the imagination of the catholic church?
LindenOak 3 years ago
"Where in the Bible...explicitly...?" is not an argument. If everything true was explicitly "in the Bible," there would be no need for study, scholarship, or teaching authority - and everyone would agree.
Trinity is not in the Bible. Abortion is not in the Bible. Yet you cannot be a Christian and deny the Trinity, nor can abortion be regarded as anything but murder. These implicit teachings are no less true than anything which is deemed explicit in the Bible.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
I have. What's your point? You seem to be falling into superstition by implying that no one can legitimately use a phrase ever uttered by a pagan!
The Bible also says of pagans that they, "say 'My God' to a rock." Does this mean that the Apostle Thomas was a pagan when he said, "My God" to Jesus? Or does it mean that Jesus is a pagan god?
There is no logic to any such "argument".
MillionthUsername 3 years ago
No, that was not what I meant. You are putting words in my mouth. The Bible never calls Mary the mother of Jesus, the "queen of heaven".
LindenOak 3 years ago
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I asked you twice what your point was.
Again, third time, so what? She is depicted as a queen in Rev 12. Jesus is the king. In Israel, the king's mother was the queen.
"And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand." 1 Kings 2:19
"My kingdom is not of this world." Yes, it's in heaven. Mary is therefore Queen of Heaven.
MillionthUsername 3 years ago 2
He literally gave Peter the power to forgive sins. Not keys in the literal sense, but symbolic keys to His kingdom.
nibbuls 4 years ago
you papists are nearer to hell than purgatory if ever there was a purgatory.
jitinis 4 years ago
"If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me." John 15:18-21
Don't judge others, pray for them.
Pax et Bonum
nibbuls 4 years ago
That verse applies to ALL that have Jesus in their hearts, To all believers not just Catholics, Peter or the Pope. Catholics are WAY less persecuted than Christians, or evangelicals, because they Accept things that are against scripture to satisfy the people. The Pope kissed the Quar'ran! People rarely say "I HATE CATHOLICS!" They say "I hate Christians" and they're usually referring to the evangelical kind because they're the ones that stand up for what the Bible instructs.
jesusfish305 4 years ago
You took that out of context.
He never expected Peter to be perfect. Remember, "Peter, do you love Me?"
Jesus scolds Peter for committing a sin of pride in believing that he knew God's will better than His son. Pride is an attribute of Satan--the reason he fell in the first place.
I don't recall seeing Jesus say anywhere that some of His words are unimportant or without purpose. He said to Peter that He would build His church, with Peter as the foundation, and you say it was without meaning.
nibbuls 4 years ago
The Church has always been corrupt, and will be until the end of the world. HOWEVER, Christ says that the Gates of Hell would never prevail over it. It is established by Christ to lead people to God, and despite its imperfections from humans, it is still here today.
Pax et Bonum!
nibbuls 4 years ago
Your 'masculine/feminine of rock' argument is old and flawed. Peter would not be called by a feminine word, because he's a man. There are many more creative and more sound (though still lacking) arguments than this one.
dannyboythegreat 4 years ago
oh btw you say that Greek is the original language at 2:43, but Jesus actually originally spoke these words in Aramaic.
jmasterdude89 4 years ago
If Peter wasn't the rock and Jesus was calling Peter a small stone, then why would Jesus have given Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven in the very next verse? Your Protestant interpretation of the verse doesn't fit the context.
jmasterdude89 4 years ago
Rightly dividing the Word of truth. Great job.
TheBodyguard7777 4 years ago
'If we are pagan, then you have a pagan Bible'. Top one-liner, FightingVatican. Keep it up!!
peace
oneinfaith 4 years ago
[Christ] made answer: "You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church . . ." Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]? (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]). - Augusitine
Jesus didnt speak Greek to peter, he spoke Aramic.... and there is only one word for Rock... Kepha.
FightingVatican 4 years ago
The original manuscripts were in Greek. what is your point? of course he spoke Greek, just as many Jews did in that time and geographical location.
I don't follow Augustine, I follow Christ.
christianstudents 4 years ago
Why would Jesus speak to Peter in Greek? Why not just their native Language? Furthermore, why would everyone(the early christians) not even question Peter's Authority, until Matin Luther?
I don't follow Augustine either, but he, just like Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, help us follow Christ!
FightingVatican 4 years ago
"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? "Behold, we have left all and have followed you" [Matt. 19:2 7, Mark 10:28] (Who is the Rich Man That is Saved? 21:3-5 [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
Just because he says rock in one place doesnt mean the same rock ...
FightingVatican 4 years ago
Excellent work Christian Student. Here is more "ammo" for your expose' of the popes of Rome. It uncovers who the REAL first pope was. The Vatican twisted a man's name to make it appear as Peter the Apostle. remnantofgod(dot)org/pope1.htm
meepal123q 4 years ago
UH....
thats alot of empty info. You say the Vatican twisted the information? Would you like to looks at all the documents and letters from 60 - 300 AD of saying Peter was in Rome and the one whom Jesus entrusted his Church to?
FightingVatican 4 years ago
People need to quit fighting over protestant or cahtolicism. Denominations do not matter and need to be broken down and we need to go back to being one body. Christ is building His kingdom. What IS the MOST important things is DO YOU HAVE CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR?? CHRIST IS the ONLY way to Salvation. Salvation is the only issue worth fighting over.
brendayonker 4 years ago
Roman Catholics believe that you need to convert a wafer into Jesus and eat Him to be saved. This is not Christ Alone. If Christ is the only way, I only need HIM. He is the basis of true Unity.
christianstudents 4 years ago
... Apparently so did the rest of the CHRISTIANS believe that also...
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). - Ignatius of Antioch
FightingVatican 4 years ago
Don't you know that Jesus did NOT speak Greek to Peter in this passage? He spoke Aramaic. Jesus calls Peter "Kepha" and there is no distinction for gender in Aramaic. Kepha is kepha whether female or male. When the Greek came up for the writings there had to be a distinction so that the name would not be in the female, therefore needing to translate "Kepha" into Petros for the male.
1Hope4All 4 years ago 2
Peter IS the ROCK! I will never leave Peter.
John (christianstudents) I think you better start studying THEOLOGY. You seem to be a "kindergarten" protestant at best. You don't seem to take Theology and Doctrine too seriously.
So why don't you buy some SERIOUS books on Theology, study GREEK, HEBREW, ARAMAIC & LATIN. Study the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS... etc,... this way you can actually "graduate" from your "kindergarten" knowledge of the Christian Faith.
I will pray for you John.
1Hope4All 4 years ago
If you are trusting Peter for salvation - you are not a follower of Christ. look at the language you are using. "I will never leave Peter"? to this I respond "Christ will never leave me nor forsake me, He is my Rock and my Salvation"My confidence is not in myself , but in another, even Christ.
christianstudents 4 years ago
"I will never leave Peter?"..When did i say that?
Who said I am trusting Peter for Salvation? Why do you bend my words? Jesus gave His authority to his Apostles to pass on is the Truth (Matthew 16:19, 2 Peter 1:15)
The Church is here to be our Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15) It is here to guide us to Joy Everlasting. Jesus gave it to us as a gift, so why do you reject it?
FightingVatican 4 years ago
peter is the rock of the church. church doesn't mean organization.. the believers are the church. He is the rock in the sense that he spread the original teachings of the word
fenderstrt4 4 years ago
From the grammar and the context...Peter is the Rock. Many Protestant scholars recognize the weakness of denying that Peter is the rock...and some like John Ankerberg declare that Peter has a "declaratory" power and does have the lead among the Apostles.
AndyisMe 4 years ago
Protestants don't want to admit that Peter is the Rock that Christ chose to build his Church...yet after Peter gives his confession of faith in Matthew 16:16, the subject then switches to the PERSON of Peter in verses 17-19. Jesus said to Peter YOU are Peter, and upon THIS rock I will build my Church. I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven that whatsoever YOU bind on earth will be bound in heaven..." etc.
AndyisMe 4 years ago
"built upon the foundations of the apostles and the prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief Corner Stone" Peter is a part of that building, but certainly not the chief Cornerstone or "the Rock of offense". so yes he is a rock among many, but not "The Rock"
christianstudents 4 years ago
Of course we don't need Peter to be saved, but Jesus defiantly put Peter in position to HELP, and to lead. Jesus gave him His Authority, and everyone else knew it, they listened to Him and those in Authority (Acts 15)
The way we follow Christ is through a Bible put together in the year 493 by the Council of Hippo of Roman Catholics...
FightingVatican 4 years ago
What are you quoting?
Brother I will be praying for you, we should be able to unite in one faith, but we have had our quarrels over the last 500 years.... I am praying for unity in our Church, and I ask you to look at my responses from before, you never answered them.
In the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
FightingVatican 4 years ago
We do not question Peter or the apostles, but the Vaticans interpretations/ your interpretations. We believe that the Vaican tried to appropiate Christianity in the year 300 with Augustine. They denied the validity of other orthodox churches and it became a political game. Thorughtout the Vaticans Reign Millions were Murdered in the Name of Christ. If you believe Christ Dwells in a wafer changed by Popes and Priest - you are in opposition to the Gospel.
christianstudents 4 years ago
Uhhh I don't how many times I said what Jesus said IN THE GOSPELS - He is the bread from Heaven, true flesh and true blood, how is that in opposition of the Gospel? Millions murdered? Don't use that, because I could use Puritans "murdering" as well, but we all have sinned.
And how do you believe we tried to "appropriate Christianity in the year 300 with Augustine?"
If we are pagan, then you have a pagan Bible
FightingVatican 4 years ago
Also, if you do not question Peter and the apostles, then why don't you believe in the "wafer"? Clearly, Clearly they did, not just from Biblical Writings but their own writings, called the Didache, and how that was passed on, really until this present day.
The reason I write is to to "win" and score points, but to defend something you are bending and letting people see is NOT EVEN WHAT we believe. If you are going to write something or show something, back it up with something real please.
FightingVatican 4 years ago
ha ha "The reason i write is to *NOT* win, grammar error ha ha
FightingVatican 4 years ago
why is that you have to put down a faith instead of lifting up your own? isn't spreading the Gospel of Christ based on living your life in His image and likeness. never in the Bible did God say "Go forth my child and judge."
Gormie4Life 4 years ago
Thanks for such an honest and truthful video. I too, am an xcatholic, 20 yrs ago I found Jesus. Christ Jesus is the Rock that He is building His church on. Peter denied Jesus 3 times also, after name change, and he was married. There is just so much clear evidence pointing to Jesus is the Rock. I stand in Christ...
sweetwarriors 4 years ago
Rev 12, the woman about ready to give birth, is His church that is being built upon that rock. We are the body of Christ, we are His church that is built on Him. Jesus is the rock that His church is built on. God is good and He will bring all darkness to light. Thank you and bless you brother.
jesusisit4ever 4 years ago 2
Protestants need to accept that people have different beliefs than them.
Give peace a chance.
ps. quit misinterpreting Catholicism thanks.
cohsMovieCritic 4 years ago
catholics have given themselves a bad name. Jesus will bring their evil to light. Jesus is the rock, that His church is being built on. Read 1Peter 2:4,5,6,7,8 in his own words he tells us that Jesus is the rock. Satan controls the papacy. You will find out, because our bodies will die.
jesusisit4ever 4 years ago
So... I get it, Jesus and Peter both spoke Greek?
That's funny all this time I thought they spoke Aramaic.
And also, I used to think that Peter was a man, but because Jesus was God and man, Peter couldn't possibly be man also.
wsteven82 4 years ago
The original manuscripts of the New testament were in Greek. Are you serious about that Peter statement ?
christianstudents 4 years ago
I am a Christian and unfortunately not all professing Christians understand the whole bible. Anyone that argues with you on this subject is off track.
wagtec 4 years ago
Congratulations U R absolutely right!!! too bad people still love their popes more... than Jesus...
wagtec 4 years ago
My brothers in Christ, a lot of time and emotion is being spent here focusing on our differences, when we should be spending at least as much time and emotion on the 80-90% of the doctrines that we share as Christians. (cont)
nonsumdignus 4 years ago
(cont) I challenge you all to do what I do: I, a Catholic, participate in a weekly bible study with four Protestant friends (who represent among them experience with Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Orthodox, and Unitarian traditions) -- we don't try to convert each other, we just try to strengthen each other's common faith in Christ (this is in addition to my weekly Catholic prayer and bible study group). God's love and peace be with you!
nonsumdignus 4 years ago