The Christians you meet may be as stupid as you say - after all they're American.There are, however,Christians who are informed and as well read as you - not sure that's much of a recommendation-and can hold their own pretty well. Starting from the premiss that your opponent is ignorant is a recipe for getting your ass kicked.BTW I regard anyone who tells me they've read the Bible cover to cover in the same way as those who claim to have read Finnegans Wake.Almost certainly a liar.
@mikelheron20 If my opponent choose to believe in a mythological beast that is inherently contradictory, then the only assumption is that they are ignorant.
@FUZZYisBIG Like most people, you take an extreme case to make your point. There are degrees of belief - not everyone takes the Bible literally. Again, assuming your opponent to be stupid (the sense in which I suspect you are using "ignorant" - though you would probably deny this) is not the way to approach an argument. Are you so sure of your own position? No weaknesses? No gaps in your knowledge?
@FUZZYisBIG You also say that Christians use 5th hand information. Is your knowledge of evolution and the big bang first hand or are you relying on information from secondary sources?
Careful folks. Truth is, either God exists or he doesn't. Neither camp can provide proof. I personally am attuned to all the marvels of this planet and universe. It makes more sense to me that something outside of chance created this all (i.e. a God). Is the bible fallible? I think it is. What works for me? Reduce the whole concept down to a simple relationship of myself and God; set the bible aside temporarily or forever. For me, things make much more sense now. It feels pure and right =)
Good video from Stef (as always), but I don't see how all Christians are bound by something written in the Bible. I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I never met a priest in my life who said that to me (I was raised Catholic, but I no longer am one). The fact is that a Christian CAN (unlike what Stef says) choose to reject any offensive part of the Bible, as most Christians have. Personally I didn't take the Old Testament seriously since I was a kid. Christians are meant to be followers of Jesus!
@matti1003 I know I will regret this, but Christians do not have THE RIGHT to reject anything in the Bible. If they do, they implicitly condemn the Pope as a heretic. How can this be possible when the Pope is the only one on earth who communicates directly with god? I would say religion is childish, but that would be an insult to children.
Its funny what you are saying about the old testament is exactly the way society is today! Our society as Christians today have no glue what the message that jesus taught. Jesus taught one power and man is stuck in duality with his intellect.
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN BE SPIRITUAL WITHOUT BEING RELIGIOUS? TO BELEIVE IN NOTHING IS JUST SAD. YOU CAN HAVE FAITH AND NOT BE LABELED.....
~Ralphos on PalTalk Chat Room, (try to debunk that logic):
[quote] "if God is KNOWN to exist, NO belief-system is necessary" [unquote]
my additional respond to that:
Label "God" is a human based concept for people with limited comprehension having an human based Agenda, that is why I prefer the name: "Prime Creator" that is WAY TO BIG for any (human based) Religion. The concept of a "Prime Creator" creating the whole freaking Universe, does that kind of power need any kind of "worship"?
@chingchombuela maybe just MAYBE ... Adonai, Elohim, Yahweh etc. are all lesser "gods" needing a slave race that must be obedient to its bidding. If an ancient alien race long time ago came here using genes of earth-creatures and mixed that with theirs (I urge you to google Transgenics and study it) to produce an Hybrid Race that msut do the job for them ... THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE ... but that is a BIG TABOO for most atheists (they too have a dogma to defend).
@EX0MATRlXTV That's exactly what I believe! Ancient Aliens etc i've done my research and it makes MUCH more sense. I have known some atheists who agree with this, but I find most of them pretty much worship Darwin(probably because there sheep and need something to worship) and i think they are still influencing us today. I don't see why they take t in one day was common fact as myth.
I would add this: whenever I debate or discuss religion with the religious, after I establish the murderous violence of their god, I separate my debate partner from their religion. "You are better than your religion," I tell them, "because YOU would never do what your god has done." This drives a wedge between the adherent and their faith, if only for a moment. The problem with religion is people's identification with it emotionally. The solution? Get people to disidentify, if only momentarily.
A good video in many ways, but I've looked up the passage atheists refer to as describing Jesus commanding killing unbelievers and it is *completely* out of context. Jesus is telling a story, and describing how frauds command their followers to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. Atheists distort things out of emotional bias, just like creationists have often been shown to. Be careful what you believe. I wish Stef had cited the passage here, so you could see for yourself.
Wow, i just discovered this channel. I am absolutely interested in his (your) book. Very inspiring stuff. Very well spoken too, it is not just the content that is impressive.
I am a Christian but I am also an anarchist. I would never use force on you to make you believe in Christianity or follow certain rules that are part of a religion etc
Is this the new Condell show? I mean, first of all, the bible is an ancient book and doesn't even pretend to be scientific - of course people didn't know more than they could know, it's obvious. But that's not 'mythical' (although myths are used too), it's just ancient. The slavery remark: ouch - slavery was accepted all over the planet then. This has nothing to do with religion, we've grown out of that very, very slowly. This is a strange video to say the least.
@surfchixful Obviously I was talking of classic slavery patterns and its scale. There was no Human Rights commission but yes, today we still have woman and children sold in the sex industry. That wasn't the subject in the video though.
You can't make assumptions about all Christians...and you have just affirmed my beliefs about atheists like you being so full of hate. I am an atheist myself, and you disgust me. You should approach christians like you would approach anyone with different beliefs: with questions. Only then can we get an understanding of that person's personal relationship with their god, don't just lump everyone together.
@vanityWords I ask questions to Cristians about how they can believe god exists.. and the only answers they can give is "Because, look around! how can all this exist with out god? and then I would go on to explain to them using science about how all this exists and they just say pfff science! hahaha
@MagnesiumAlloy Right. They reason as though they have anything to compare nature to. It's Ayn Rand's point about the Christian's concept of "disorder" lacking a reference point.
@MagnesiumAlloy well, granted u like all the scientific terms they give u....now, i do not claim to have it figured out...but i will notice, evolutionists always say "well, the answer evolves as we learn", and so i question....if abiogenesis was the start of life here in the "primordial broth", then how come no one believes/accepts/heard of Abiotic oil? they say "uhh, i dunno" and it's quite as laughable as when u guys make fun of the radical religious stuff...
@MagnesiumAlloy I do not call myself a Christian but I am spiritual and if you were to ask me why I believe in God it because I have FELT IT. Its not really something you can explain. Its an awakening. You too can feel this if that is your intent. Much Love.
Bigot: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
Faith: complete confidence in a person or plan - or - faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing.
*You've never met a Christian who knows more about the Bible than you do: read above comments
God doesn't command me to kill you.
God didn't KILL himself - he SACRIFICED himself: over simplifying concepts in the Bible to better critique it only works...
A Christians is someone who adheres to the teachings of Christ and the Bible (his word). My inability to live up to Christ's standards, does not mean I am not a Christian. Nor does it follow that because all of humanity is incapable of seeing the complete truth from EVERY perspective, truths do not exist.
How is the belief that God is beyond time and space nonsense? The universe did not always exist, and was brought into existence...
...by something BEYOND it, atheists withold judgment as to what this something is, Christians say it is God, so...
Just because something is beyond the universe, it doesn't follow that it cannot have influence over the universe (MIRACLES/JESUS), especially considering the fact that God has AUTHORITY over and SUSTAINS the universe (Tron)! Restricting existence to mean: that which is within the universe, only works with a naturalist perspective, which Christians do not have.
The Bible doesn't say that slavery is good, selling daughters into sex-slavery is good, and killing enemies is good, killing unbelievers is good, enslaving women is good - beating children, well you live in a completely different paradigm as to what and who children are so...
I'll give that the OT (Torah) was written 2500 years ago for the sake of this argument: It predicted the coming of Christ.
The Bible isn't a science text book - so it doesn't need to address things of science...
...where you find that the Earth is described it is usually in poetry and described by a person, but not: and God said, the Earth is flat, and the universe is static.
God commanded that the Israelites perform a ritual clensing after dealing with unclean things (dead people), through both WASHING and isolation - it would be highly unreasonable for God to describe germs when humanity didn't even know what even cells were (paternalism)!
You can't detect Jesus with science, and THAT/HE is the purpose of the Bible.
Once again, God doesn't say that rape, murder, and the like are good, nor does he commend them - and just because certain persons within the Bible did these things, it doesn't follow that God then held the rest of humanity up to said persons' moral standards!
God is the AUTHOR of life and has complete AUTHORity to give and take as he pleases.
Jesus NEVER commands that people kill unbelievers (like WTF?)!!
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the laws, but to fufill them - which laws? the moral laws, not the ritualistic, theocratic laws that goverened the nation of Israel. After he died, we no longer condemn law breakers to death (as Jews did under the old covenant), rather we offer forgiveness (as Christians do under the NC (love your enemies))
God not refering to theories we know now would be a sort of paternalism...
It does not follow that because the Bible doesn't speak of things YOU WANT, God doesn't exist.
Christians don't know their doctrine: ah, well, that may be so, but neither do you.
Religion is a form of bigorty: so is holding any opinion. Holding an opinion about reality is, in itself, saying that all other opinions about reality are false. If you do not believe this, then you are not justified in holding any opinion rather than another and must remain indifferent to all things.
atheists are such massive hypocrites. they have no problem taking a shit all over Christians and saying things to offend them. but when it comes to Judaism or Buddhism you dont hear a peep out of them. nice....
@suchafool990 Christianity is the dominant religion in our western society, so it's the one atheists focus on. I'm sure the majority of intelligent atheists would point out the flaws in other religions as well.
What do you say, if anything, to a person that says: "Oh, I prayed for X and it happened. God answered my prayers. That's proof!" I usually think: It was coincidence or the person fulfilled that prayer themselves. "I prayed for a job and God gave it to me. It had nothing to do with looking around and filling out apps." Or, "I prayed my son would get a heart transplant." I think: What about the kid who died to give that heart? Is a person that would give that argument as proof too far gone?
"Love thine enemy" is hardly a free for all to kill non Christians, so part of your rant is bullshit, I think a lot of the book is a script, like "Revelations", the reason people say "this is what is happening" is because "they" are making it happen. No matter what you believe, diety, non-diety, the golden rule is probably just a good way to live life. Raised in church, no longer a member but learned at least that much. No point in trying to change others, much like your politics rant.
Wow. I would LOVE to see you debate William Lane Craig. I felt Christopher Hitches lost his debate with him. I support your arguements and appreciate your wisdom.
I have seen proof of God. This is coming from a once hardcore atheist. Its called Faith prayer, I've actually witnessed an old lady that went to my friends church HEAL completely from a stomach tumor through faithful prayer alone. Everyone in the church said a heartfelt prayer with good faith that God WOULD heal her, in Jesus' name. And it was gone a day later, the doctors still have no explanation as to how this happened. Look it up, MANY people are healed through prayer alone. There's ur PROF
What are your feelings on the avid practise (and those practitioners of) Native faith traditions based upon Ancestral/Earth based spirituality? I am speaking of Aboriginal Religion, the religions of Native peoples, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, European Native faiths, ie. Celtic Druidry, Germanic Asatru, Hellenic Paganism, and Shamanic Traditions worldwide?
What are your feelings on the avid practise (and those practitioners of) Native faith traditions based upon Ancestral/Earth based spirituality? I am speaking on Native (First world) Spirituality, Aboriginal Religion, the religions of Native peoples, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, European Native faiths, ie. Celtic Druidry, Germanic Asatru, Hellenic Paganism, and Shamanic Traditions worldwide?
hi stefan could you also tell us how to deal with muslims?
also all that stuff you said about selling people to slavery and beating children really is all in the new testament. from what i remember i think it's all the stuff jesus said.
@mbarkhau they don't really follow the sharia 100%. if i was living in saudi arabia or any mooslem countries then the authorities would have to kill me.
Life may be short but it is actually the longest thing you can do. When you made this video, were you taking the Bible literally, figuratively, or some other way? Any insight you could give would be greatly appreciated. I would like to form a response but I do not want to base assumptions about claims which you are not actually making. Thank You for your help in advance Stef. = )
@eShubee ''''But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.''''' The words of the kind an loving Jesus of the NT ... read your bible once and a while and learn how violent Xtianity really is ....
I used to enjoy pissing off foaming at the mouth fundamentalists for some Saturday evening entertainment. After a while though, it just got boring. Now, I just smile and nod.
Where's the video where you describe the invention of God?
Also, would "stretching out the heavens like a tent cloth (like a gauze)" persuade you? (Psalms, Isaiah) Would "washing you hands after you touch a dead body" likewise persuade you? One other thing, the media has made sure that in our consiousness we're know about the small religious groups that kill themselves and no one is able to talk them out of it, etc. Can you compare that to State and Corp. culture and Global Warming? Thx
@mrzack888 You would be just as surprised at how many academically intelligent people are atheists. The majority of people you speak of are educated mostly in fields other that metaphysical science, philosophy or physics.
While i generally agree with most rationalist arguments against religion, and i don't agree with the Abrahamic conception of God, Your argument against god being a "square circle" marginally contradicts the doctrine of Socrates.
Man can't see where two parallel lines meet, but that doesn't mean they don't. Their may not be a telepathic sky daddy who grants wishes, but the certainty of rationalism is also in and of itself based on irrational faith.
It is a real shame that the same incisive mind that brilliantly explained the myth of world wars becomes just another ignorant, thoughtless hack when the subject is religion.
You post some really aggressive things against the bible. Could you please include reference to the actual scripture you're talking about it so people don't have to just take your word for it ? Thanks!
@tadman3d He is just pointing out the bible is aggressive to itself. If you take out prejudice and look to the texts from some distance, and check facts, you would come to the same conclusion. Rationally that is.
It always strikes me the as an atheist I often know more about the actual texts than the believers themselves.
Ask any christian who or what tetragrammaton is. Most will not have the answer. While it is written on page 1 of the bible, saying it is the unpronounceable name of god.
Very well argued I think.However, when it comes to people like my mother for example, who are unsure about god but like to take comfort in some sort of afterlife...I'm not sure I want to preach my atheist views! She is a good woman who has had a very troubled life and I don't think I mind her picking and choosing parts of the bible that might prevent her from a fear of death likely to arise in the latter stages of her life (a fear i remember having once. it was paralysing) or resentment
don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist as well, but your arguments are mostly week and you are exactly linguistic either. nothing here is new. mundane at best.
hei man.you are sying that christianity is fake?can u proof to me that other religion are fake?you dont even believe that god exist.then how come you are talking about religion?
It's isn't necessary to believe in something to talk about it. Many religious people talk about Evolution when they don't believe in it. I don't believe aliens exist, but I can talk about them...
You can go to [evilbible com]. I personally prefer reading the bible. Let's face it, most Christians do not read the bible and non-believers have to tell them what's in their effing bible. ;D
Or you can watch these. The verses are in the video. They're pretty funny.
yeah i think i'm pretty much gonna give up on debating theists cause i've come to learn that they'll never let go of there god belief unless they actually want to... if they don't want to they can bullshit all day long to keep their beliefs. i just say whatever now. it really is too much work.
Talking to atheist is to talk about things that are rationally based, correct? But is it not true that the more questions you answer the more questions you unlock? Therefore, with or without God no one has ever possesed complete logic anymore than men have ever dicovered or will discover Pi.
Nothing ever stands still, we are endlessly shifting away and toward social and "scientific" progress depending on how critical our thinking becomes. I look to religion as socially progressive as opposed to scientifically. That being said I still don't agree with how it has been practiced nor do I favor its current corruption. The only religion I denounce is Statism.
First let me say that yes I see how the logic holds up here and this might be your most entertaining presentation. However, if you're the doctor with the "Rational Pill" it comes across as though you are laughing at all the mentally injured patients.
Read your bible and you'll find it, none is gonna buy the fucking bible, read it all over again and make notes for you cause it's all in there. READ IT.
As a christian it is definitely interesting to hear some of the comments you have put out there about us. I of course beg to differ on many different points which would possibly take all day however I will say only this, it really is a pity that you are so intelligent because in the end - everything you are saying comes to nothing - your whole logic comes to nothing outside Christ. This whole world that you are such an expert on was made by and is held together by him alone. God bless.
@stefbot your definition of 'religion' is derived purely from its christian context and thus you apply the term to the whole world. not all "religions" are based on blind belie of the "supernatural"f; even tho other cultures/religions may have concepts such as 'god(s)' it doesn't mean their context and meaning is even remotely the same as in christianity.
i'm not a christian or an atheist and i'm not really offended, but i see atheists often wildly arrogant toward the rest of the planet.
Well, my religion wasn't destroyed by Stef when I watched his video. Because like most anti-religious attacks, only the second-rate religious are vulnrable to them. Only those that accept the basic premises of the Godless to start with will fall before such a video, . Expecially when Stef uses unsupported claims like the Bible telling me to kill all unbelievers. False Prophets however aren't normal unbelievers, they are people falsely claiming divine inspiration.
"Expecially when Stef uses unsupported claims like the Bible telling me to kill all unbelievers" "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"
That is a specific oath Shezmu made by specific people. That is they agreed that should any of them abandon the Faith, they would be killed. Not quite the same as an unequivical order to kill all unbelievers.
If a bunch of people swear to God together that if any of them go Apostate they will kill them, where does God appear? It's not like God orders it, it's just something they did that is recorded.
1. That follows only if science is the only thing that exists and there are no things that are beyond scientific explanation. That is of course religion.
2. Except God can solve that problem, since God can exist by his own will to exist.
4. Well, I just did a random snap of his video and the unobserved thing popped up.
That nothing exists and can be known about except through Scientific means. At a more extensive level, that nothing outside of material reality can be held to exist.
The Christians you meet may be as stupid as you say - after all they're American.There are, however,Christians who are informed and as well read as you - not sure that's much of a recommendation-and can hold their own pretty well. Starting from the premiss that your opponent is ignorant is a recipe for getting your ass kicked.BTW I regard anyone who tells me they've read the Bible cover to cover in the same way as those who claim to have read Finnegans Wake.Almost certainly a liar.
mikelheron20 1 month ago
@mikelheron20 If my opponent choose to believe in a mythological beast that is inherently contradictory, then the only assumption is that they are ignorant.
FUZZYisBIG 1 month ago
@FUZZYisBIG Like most people, you take an extreme case to make your point. There are degrees of belief - not everyone takes the Bible literally. Again, assuming your opponent to be stupid (the sense in which I suspect you are using "ignorant" - though you would probably deny this) is not the way to approach an argument. Are you so sure of your own position? No weaknesses? No gaps in your knowledge?
mikelheron20 1 month ago
@FUZZYisBIG You also say that Christians use 5th hand information. Is your knowledge of evolution and the big bang first hand or are you relying on information from secondary sources?
mikelheron20 1 month ago
Careful folks. Truth is, either God exists or he doesn't. Neither camp can provide proof. I personally am attuned to all the marvels of this planet and universe. It makes more sense to me that something outside of chance created this all (i.e. a God). Is the bible fallible? I think it is. What works for me? Reduce the whole concept down to a simple relationship of myself and God; set the bible aside temporarily or forever. For me, things make much more sense now. It feels pure and right =)
IKevsoca 1 month ago
Good video from Stef (as always), but I don't see how all Christians are bound by something written in the Bible. I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I never met a priest in my life who said that to me (I was raised Catholic, but I no longer am one). The fact is that a Christian CAN (unlike what Stef says) choose to reject any offensive part of the Bible, as most Christians have. Personally I didn't take the Old Testament seriously since I was a kid. Christians are meant to be followers of Jesus!
matti1003 2 months ago
@matti1003 i see, a cafeteria christian.
basically, pick and choose what you like, even though you have no proof that the stuff you like is better than the stuff you don't.
nurbSoldier 2 months ago
@matti1003 I know I will regret this, but Christians do not have THE RIGHT to reject anything in the Bible. If they do, they implicitly condemn the Pope as a heretic. How can this be possible when the Pope is the only one on earth who communicates directly with god? I would say religion is childish, but that would be an insult to children.
requiemdexter 2 weeks ago
Its funny what you are saying about the old testament is exactly the way society is today! Our society as Christians today have no glue what the message that jesus taught. Jesus taught one power and man is stuck in duality with his intellect.
goldsmithstudent 2 months ago
I try and stay clear of them but i would always be polite , well i try my best , lol
Grey1671 2 months ago
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN BE SPIRITUAL WITHOUT BEING RELIGIOUS? TO BELEIVE IN NOTHING IS JUST SAD. YOU CAN HAVE FAITH AND NOT BE LABELED.....
theDED0 2 months ago 2
~Ralphos on PalTalk Chat Room, (try to debunk that logic):
[quote] "if God is KNOWN to exist, NO belief-system is necessary" [unquote]
my additional respond to that:
Label "God" is a human based concept for people with limited comprehension having an human based Agenda, that is why I prefer the name: "Prime Creator" that is WAY TO BIG for any (human based) Religion. The concept of a "Prime Creator" creating the whole freaking Universe, does that kind of power need any kind of "worship"?
John
EX0MATRlXTV 2 months ago 13
@EX0MATRlXTV haha i've always thought the EXACT same thing, yes, i do believe in a "Prime Creator" but the "god" thing never made any sense.
chingchombuela 2 months ago 3
@chingchombuela maybe just MAYBE ... Adonai, Elohim, Yahweh etc. are all lesser "gods" needing a slave race that must be obedient to its bidding. If an ancient alien race long time ago came here using genes of earth-creatures and mixed that with theirs (I urge you to google Transgenics and study it) to produce an Hybrid Race that msut do the job for them ... THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE ... but that is a BIG TABOO for most atheists (they too have a dogma to defend).
cheers,
John
EX0MATRlXTV 2 months ago 3
@EX0MATRlXTV That's exactly what I believe! Ancient Aliens etc i've done my research and it makes MUCH more sense. I have known some atheists who agree with this, but I find most of them pretty much worship Darwin(probably because there sheep and need something to worship) and i think they are still influencing us today. I don't see why they take t in one day was common fact as myth.
chingchombuela 2 months ago
21 minutes was SUPER short.
DamnEmoKids 3 months ago
You sir are smart. You talk smoothly which makes it easier to follow in comparison to others as well.
i6o4 4 months ago
he is speaking non stop
adamisking666 4 months ago
plz solve my porblem if u speak to jesus
adamisking666 4 months ago
I dun't no about all this here book learnin
87pvincent 4 months ago
237 ppl cant wait to use that killer hand gesture to refer to impregnating a woman.
theredscourge 5 months ago
Debating about religion is a sure way to get upset so I don't bother arguing about it.
sirenlyfox 5 months ago
Easy, don't bring up religion, everybody's happy
LeicesterCityFoxes 6 months ago
@LeicesterCityFoxes Wow, you think everybody's happy with any of this guys videos? wake up.
BFDMurg 5 months ago
I would add this: whenever I debate or discuss religion with the religious, after I establish the murderous violence of their god, I separate my debate partner from their religion. "You are better than your religion," I tell them, "because YOU would never do what your god has done." This drives a wedge between the adherent and their faith, if only for a moment. The problem with religion is people's identification with it emotionally. The solution? Get people to disidentify, if only momentarily.
plaarb 7 months ago
A good video in many ways, but I've looked up the passage atheists refer to as describing Jesus commanding killing unbelievers and it is *completely* out of context. Jesus is telling a story, and describing how frauds command their followers to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. Atheists distort things out of emotional bias, just like creationists have often been shown to. Be careful what you believe. I wish Stef had cited the passage here, so you could see for yourself.
givebirthathome 8 months ago 3
We must have been seperated at birth! Thank you for giving me some kind of hope that there is true intelligence in this world!
BrettMagnetic 8 months ago
If i could make an epic face-palm on here i would
ILLED65 8 months ago
The Quality of your life goes up when you stop watching FDR. Just a fact worth stating :-)
LibertyJedi 9 months ago
@LibertyJedi how so?
plarfusa 8 months ago
Reason is no cure for a declining civilization.
IronicKismet 9 months ago
@IronicKismet what is, then? violence? lies? o_O
plarfusa 8 months ago
@plarfusa Do you know of a world without violence or lies? If you do, please tell where it is and I'll move there tomorrow.
IronicKismet 8 months ago
while that a billion deaths wouldn't surprise me, could you point me to those credible estimates? I'd be interested in checking them out
rios9000 10 months ago
Wow, i just discovered this channel. I am absolutely interested in his (your) book. Very inspiring stuff. Very well spoken too, it is not just the content that is impressive.
iSmkoeBluntsToMyFace 10 months ago
I am a Christian but I am also an anarchist. I would never use force on you to make you believe in Christianity or follow certain rules that are part of a religion etc
And I know you would never do the same to me.
Love all your videos by the way.
mjs0686 11 months ago
really excellent stuff!
oh but i hear the christians comming a huffing and a puffing.......
surfchixful 11 months ago
Is this the new Condell show? I mean, first of all, the bible is an ancient book and doesn't even pretend to be scientific - of course people didn't know more than they could know, it's obvious. But that's not 'mythical' (although myths are used too), it's just ancient. The slavery remark: ouch - slavery was accepted all over the planet then. This has nothing to do with religion, we've grown out of that very, very slowly. This is a strange video to say the least.
jcmmanuel 11 months ago
@jcmmanuel there is still slavery in the world in 2011
surfchixful 11 months ago
@surfchixful Obviously I was talking of classic slavery patterns and its scale. There was no Human Rights commission but yes, today we still have woman and children sold in the sex industry. That wasn't the subject in the video though.
jcmmanuel 11 months ago
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vanityWords 11 months ago
You can't make assumptions about all Christians...and you have just affirmed my beliefs about atheists like you being so full of hate. I am an atheist myself, and you disgust me. You should approach christians like you would approach anyone with different beliefs: with questions. Only then can we get an understanding of that person's personal relationship with their god, don't just lump everyone together.
vanityWords 11 months ago
@vanityWords I ask questions to Cristians about how they can believe god exists.. and the only answers they can give is "Because, look around! how can all this exist with out god? and then I would go on to explain to them using science about how all this exists and they just say pfff science! hahaha
MagnesiumAlloy 11 months ago 8
@MagnesiumAlloy I hate shallow sheep thinking lol but on the other side this is serious, because of this sheeps the world(sick society) is spinning
szalam555 10 months ago
@MagnesiumAlloy Right. They reason as though they have anything to compare nature to. It's Ayn Rand's point about the Christian's concept of "disorder" lacking a reference point.
PurpleHoneyBear 5 months ago
@MagnesiumAlloy well, granted u like all the scientific terms they give u....now, i do not claim to have it figured out...but i will notice, evolutionists always say "well, the answer evolves as we learn", and so i question....if abiogenesis was the start of life here in the "primordial broth", then how come no one believes/accepts/heard of Abiotic oil? they say "uhh, i dunno" and it's quite as laughable as when u guys make fun of the radical religious stuff...
chriscunanan 2 months ago
@MagnesiumAlloy I do not call myself a Christian but I am spiritual and if you were to ask me why I believe in God it because I have FELT IT. Its not really something you can explain. Its an awakening. You too can feel this if that is your intent. Much Love.
theDED0 2 months ago
Bigot: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
Faith: complete confidence in a person or plan - or - faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing.
*You've never met a Christian who knows more about the Bible than you do: read above comments
God doesn't command me to kill you.
God didn't KILL himself - he SACRIFICED himself: over simplifying concepts in the Bible to better critique it only works...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns
...with atheists - who don't KNOW the Bible.
A Christians is someone who adheres to the teachings of Christ and the Bible (his word). My inability to live up to Christ's standards, does not mean I am not a Christian. Nor does it follow that because all of humanity is incapable of seeing the complete truth from EVERY perspective, truths do not exist.
How is the belief that God is beyond time and space nonsense? The universe did not always exist, and was brought into existence...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns
...by something BEYOND it, atheists withold judgment as to what this something is, Christians say it is God, so...
Just because something is beyond the universe, it doesn't follow that it cannot have influence over the universe (MIRACLES/JESUS), especially considering the fact that God has AUTHORITY over and SUSTAINS the universe (Tron)! Restricting existence to mean: that which is within the universe, only works with a naturalist perspective, which Christians do not have.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
The Bible doesn't say that slavery is good, selling daughters into sex-slavery is good, and killing enemies is good, killing unbelievers is good, enslaving women is good - beating children, well you live in a completely different paradigm as to what and who children are so...
I'll give that the OT (Torah) was written 2500 years ago for the sake of this argument: It predicted the coming of Christ.
The Bible isn't a science text book - so it doesn't need to address things of science...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns
...where you find that the Earth is described it is usually in poetry and described by a person, but not: and God said, the Earth is flat, and the universe is static.
God commanded that the Israelites perform a ritual clensing after dealing with unclean things (dead people), through both WASHING and isolation - it would be highly unreasonable for God to describe germs when humanity didn't even know what even cells were (paternalism)!
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns @aveyowyns
You can't detect Jesus with science, and THAT/HE is the purpose of the Bible.
Once again, God doesn't say that rape, murder, and the like are good, nor does he commend them - and just because certain persons within the Bible did these things, it doesn't follow that God then held the rest of humanity up to said persons' moral standards!
God is the AUTHOR of life and has complete AUTHORity to give and take as he pleases.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns
Jesus NEVER commands that people kill unbelievers (like WTF?)!!
Jesus said he did not come to destroy the laws, but to fufill them - which laws? the moral laws, not the ritualistic, theocratic laws that goverened the nation of Israel. After he died, we no longer condemn law breakers to death (as Jews did under the old covenant), rather we offer forgiveness (as Christians do under the NC (love your enemies))
God not refering to theories we know now would be a sort of paternalism...
aveyowyns 1 year ago
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aveyowyns 1 year ago
@aveyowyns
It does not follow that because the Bible doesn't speak of things YOU WANT, God doesn't exist.
Christians don't know their doctrine: ah, well, that may be so, but neither do you.
Religion is a form of bigorty: so is holding any opinion. Holding an opinion about reality is, in itself, saying that all other opinions about reality are false. If you do not believe this, then you are not justified in holding any opinion rather than another and must remain indifferent to all things.
aveyowyns 1 year ago
This video was made in 2007. Do you still stand by everything you have said in this video? Because you make some appalling statements in here.
BalladoftheWindfish 1 year ago
@BalladoftheWindfish This is what I'm thinking, too...
Audiofalcon7 1 year ago
atheists are such massive hypocrites. they have no problem taking a shit all over Christians and saying things to offend them. but when it comes to Judaism or Buddhism you dont hear a peep out of them. nice....
where is their noble fairness?
suchafool990 1 year ago
@suchafool990 Christianity is the dominant religion in our western society, so it's the one atheists focus on. I'm sure the majority of intelligent atheists would point out the flaws in other religions as well.
StatelessRich 1 year ago
@StatelessRich
implying the majority of atheists are intelligent
suchafool990 1 year ago
@suchafool990 It's a shame you couldn't follow up my rational comment with one of your own...
StatelessRich 1 year ago
What do you say, if anything, to a person that says: "Oh, I prayed for X and it happened. God answered my prayers. That's proof!" I usually think: It was coincidence or the person fulfilled that prayer themselves. "I prayed for a job and God gave it to me. It had nothing to do with looking around and filling out apps." Or, "I prayed my son would get a heart transplant." I think: What about the kid who died to give that heart? Is a person that would give that argument as proof too far gone?
kessixia 1 year ago
@kessixia Why doesn't god heal amputees?
StatelessRich 1 year ago
@StatelessRich I know what they'd say. They'd say: "Oh, it wan't in his plan. God had their legs amputated for a reason." ;P
kessixia 1 year ago
"Love thine enemy" is hardly a free for all to kill non Christians, so part of your rant is bullshit, I think a lot of the book is a script, like "Revelations", the reason people say "this is what is happening" is because "they" are making it happen. No matter what you believe, diety, non-diety, the golden rule is probably just a good way to live life. Raised in church, no longer a member but learned at least that much. No point in trying to change others, much like your politics rant.
cinnful1 1 year ago
fantastic as usual...
afterdavit 1 year ago
Wow. I would LOVE to see you debate William Lane Craig. I felt Christopher Hitches lost his debate with him. I support your arguements and appreciate your wisdom.
musicguitar 1 year ago
@musicguitar Me too!!!!
dopejoel 1 year ago
RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND
111imstupid111 1 year ago
I have seen proof of God. This is coming from a once hardcore atheist. Its called Faith prayer, I've actually witnessed an old lady that went to my friends church HEAL completely from a stomach tumor through faithful prayer alone. Everyone in the church said a heartfelt prayer with good faith that God WOULD heal her, in Jesus' name. And it was gone a day later, the doctors still have no explanation as to how this happened. Look it up, MANY people are healed through prayer alone. There's ur PROF
SunnyLovetts 1 year ago
What are your feelings on the avid practise (and those practitioners of) Native faith traditions based upon Ancestral/Earth based spirituality? I am speaking of Aboriginal Religion, the religions of Native peoples, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, European Native faiths, ie. Celtic Druidry, Germanic Asatru, Hellenic Paganism, and Shamanic Traditions worldwide?
blukatzen 1 year ago
What are your feelings on the avid practise (and those practitioners of) Native faith traditions based upon Ancestral/Earth based spirituality? I am speaking on Native (First world) Spirituality, Aboriginal Religion, the religions of Native peoples, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism, European Native faiths, ie. Celtic Druidry, Germanic Asatru, Hellenic Paganism, and Shamanic Traditions worldwide?
blukatzen 1 year ago
Now, now. On your intro, around the 1:20 mark, you, surely, are speaking about moslems, too, eh? USrely, you should mention it also, eh?
DOWN WITH ALL religions!
EarthaKit2 1 year ago
hi stefan could you also tell us how to deal with muslims?
also all that stuff you said about selling people to slavery and beating children really is all in the new testament. from what i remember i think it's all the stuff jesus said.
failblorg 1 year ago
as an ex-muslim, presenting my case for atheism to my muslim friends is hardcore depression.
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago 15
@halflifeproductionz ex-muslim? Aren't your "friends" supposed to kill you? Best of luck.
mbarkhau 7 months ago
@mbarkhau they don't really follow the sharia 100%. if i was living in saudi arabia or any mooslem countries then the authorities would have to kill me.
halflifeproductionz 7 months ago
Life may be short but it is actually the longest thing you can do. When you made this video, were you taking the Bible literally, figuratively, or some other way? Any insight you could give would be greatly appreciated. I would like to form a response but I do not want to base assumptions about claims which you are not actually making. Thank You for your help in advance Stef. = )
AriloeuLaleelae 1 year ago
Thank you for this great video!
estetty 1 year ago
Stefan, you are the man!!!
3sheetz2thawind 1 year ago
Where does the Bible say that Christians should kill unbelievers?
eShubee 1 year ago
@eShubee Nowhere, as far as i know .
Nighthawk81100 1 year ago
@eShubee It does not say you should kill unbelievers
daizee106 1 year ago
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@eShubee ''''But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.''''' The words of the kind an loving Jesus of the NT ... read your bible once and a while and learn how violent Xtianity really is ....
-Luke 19:27
nogogma 1 year ago
Will you please provide captions or transcriptions of this and yuor other videos? I'd like to haev a transcript to relay to others or for notes.
mizerydearia 1 year ago
I used to enjoy pissing off foaming at the mouth fundamentalists for some Saturday evening entertainment. After a while though, it just got boring. Now, I just smile and nod.
kokopelli314 1 year ago
Where's the video where you describe the invention of God?
Also, would "stretching out the heavens like a tent cloth (like a gauze)" persuade you? (Psalms, Isaiah) Would "washing you hands after you touch a dead body" likewise persuade you? One other thing, the media has made sure that in our consiousness we're know about the small religious groups that kill themselves and no one is able to talk them out of it, etc. Can you compare that to State and Corp. culture and Global Warming? Thx
nota2cdtime 1 year ago
The title alone made me laugh rather hard....
Raptoreyes 1 year ago
What the hell guys? Seriously give me two CONCLUSIVE evidences for God.
therookie93 1 year ago
you'd be surprised how many academically intelligent people are fundamentalist right wing christians.
mrzack888 1 year ago
@mrzack888 You would be just as surprised at how many academically intelligent people are atheists. The majority of people you speak of are educated mostly in fields other that metaphysical science, philosophy or physics.
therookie93 1 year ago
While i generally agree with most rationalist arguments against religion, and i don't agree with the Abrahamic conception of God, Your argument against god being a "square circle" marginally contradicts the doctrine of Socrates.
Man can't see where two parallel lines meet, but that doesn't mean they don't. Their may not be a telepathic sky daddy who grants wishes, but the certainty of rationalism is also in and of itself based on irrational faith.
All things are not as they seem, as it were.
Omthiest 1 year ago
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I am with you on this video, but i troll every now and then. Your videos are long man, and also depressing, but still i watch them.
sonofagunM357 1 year ago
Rawrrrrr Drew no like Stef! Drew Angry!!! Drew smash!!!
drew335533 1 year ago
It is a real shame that the same incisive mind that brilliantly explained the myth of world wars becomes just another ignorant, thoughtless hack when the subject is religion.
smhbbag1 2 years ago
@smhbbag1
lol Religious are we? :)
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@smhbbag1 What evidence is there of God?
therookie93 1 year ago
@smhbbag1 please explain
TSMPimpDaddyPain 1 year ago
the bible was written to increase the fear of god. That's it
lifemetall 2 years ago
lmao, a swivel chair. Steph's sense of humor is exceptional.
PresidentRich 2 years ago
You post some really aggressive things against the bible. Could you please include reference to the actual scripture you're talking about it so people don't have to just take your word for it ? Thanks!
tadman3d 2 years ago
@tadman3d He is just pointing out the bible is aggressive to itself. If you take out prejudice and look to the texts from some distance, and check facts, you would come to the same conclusion. Rationally that is.
It always strikes me the as an atheist I often know more about the actual texts than the believers themselves.
Ask any christian who or what tetragrammaton is. Most will not have the answer. While it is written on page 1 of the bible, saying it is the unpronounceable name of god.
rickyrico80 2 years ago
Very well argued I think.However, when it comes to people like my mother for example, who are unsure about god but like to take comfort in some sort of afterlife...I'm not sure I want to preach my atheist views! She is a good woman who has had a very troubled life and I don't think I mind her picking and choosing parts of the bible that might prevent her from a fear of death likely to arise in the latter stages of her life (a fear i remember having once. it was paralysing) or resentment
mesCheerios 2 years ago
don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist as well, but your arguments are mostly week and you are exactly linguistic either. nothing here is new. mundane at best.
ACDCfloyd 2 years ago
*aren't exactlty.....
ACDCfloyd 2 years ago
stumbled on to this, amazingly well argued, I've subscribed to you.
poponimpact 2 years ago
hei man.you are sying that christianity is fake?can u proof to me that other religion are fake?you dont even believe that god exist.then how come you are talking about religion?
zeejay21 2 years ago
It's isn't necessary to believe in something to talk about it. Many religious people talk about Evolution when they don't believe in it. I don't believe aliens exist, but I can talk about them...
RellikDesign 2 years ago
Well put!...Apparently "Hooked on Phonics" DIDN'T work for you. I'm terribly sorry that this seems to be the case.
psychopicasso 2 years ago
awesome man, well argued
brett20130676 2 years ago
I've been trying to word my reaction to apologists for a very long time - but the "can't touch this" analogy really hit the nail on the head :D
Rokasomee 2 years ago
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Rokasomee 2 years ago
but there is accurate modern science in the quran which was written 1400 years ago..the first part of ur video kinda freaked me out....
sklviceroy 2 years ago
lol! the red pill. i got that.
grindstone1 2 years ago
Hi, could you reference the justification of killing non believers? Just so I can point to it myself :-)
mrwhite692000 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 17:2-4
You can go to [evilbible com]. I personally prefer reading the bible. Let's face it, most Christians do not read the bible and non-believers have to tell them what's in their effing bible. ;D
Or you can watch these. The verses are in the video. They're pretty funny.
watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE
watch?v=ZmhFniUTQIE
watch?v=3LWh6-Zyj4E
Enjoy.
f0repl4y 2 years ago
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
f0repl4y 2 years ago
Thanks mate.
mrwhite692000 2 years ago
such an intellectual
trevor920 2 years ago
We almost NEVER find the spirit of Christ in organised religions you know. Jesus himself reviled their leaders openly. Jesus was also Anarchist ~
LarkaSojourn 2 years ago
Love You Stefbot ~ Your creator is as close to you as your little daughters embrace and even outside the distant universe.
LarkaSojourn 2 years ago
haha great, nice humorous twist to these arguments
Sight099 3 years ago
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your Heathen ass is going straight to hell
sonofagunM357 3 years ago
that's ok, i don't think i need my ass in heaven :)
stefbot 3 years ago 26
I apologize for my comment I couldn't restrain myself. Great video by the way
sonofagunM357 3 years ago
@stefbot i am with you on this video but i troll every now and then. Your videos are long man and depressing, i still watch them
sonofagunM357 1 year ago
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@stefbot I am with you on this video, but i troll every now and then. Your videos are long man, and also depressing, but still i watch them.
sonofagunM357 1 year ago
@sonofagunM357 And your God approves, how loving of your God to approve of Hell, what a sadistic dictator your God is.
TheKiemaster 1 year ago
@TheKiemaster God is fucking nuts. I think thats why people like him.
RamandoDMag 1 year ago
@RamandoDMag Then they are Mastocists
TheKiemaster 1 year ago
"I don't have to pay any taxes because in some alternate dimension I may not have to"
Kent Hovind already did that.
Zantaer 3 years ago
yeah i think i'm pretty much gonna give up on debating theists cause i've come to learn that they'll never let go of there god belief unless they actually want to... if they don't want to they can bullshit all day long to keep their beliefs. i just say whatever now. it really is too much work.
Sean2046 3 years ago
Hahahahaha "Can't touch this"
iorbit 3 years ago
Talking to atheist is to talk about things that are rationally based, correct? But is it not true that the more questions you answer the more questions you unlock? Therefore, with or without God no one has ever possesed complete logic anymore than men have ever dicovered or will discover Pi.
vidsofgargator 3 years ago
more questions are a good thing. it should be our nature to progress, not stand still and more questions just give us more opportunities to do so
liberalsandblowjobs 2 years ago
Nothing ever stands still, we are endlessly shifting away and toward social and "scientific" progress depending on how critical our thinking becomes. I look to religion as socially progressive as opposed to scientifically. That being said I still don't agree with how it has been practiced nor do I favor its current corruption. The only religion I denounce is Statism.
vidsofgargator 2 years ago
First let me say that yes I see how the logic holds up here and this might be your most entertaining presentation. However, if you're the doctor with the "Rational Pill" it comes across as though you are laughing at all the mentally injured patients.
DCLugi 3 years ago
Wow thanks for this. Awesome video!!
It's funny to read the comments by titbumtit1 and AzaZeLgaming....this video definitely applies to those people.
k4g3yosh1 3 years ago
wow u cant say these thing s w/o proof where in da bible does it say these things chapter and verse please
titbumtit1 3 years ago
Read your bible and you'll find it, none is gonna buy the fucking bible, read it all over again and make notes for you cause it's all in there. READ IT.
psykadelisktomte 3 years ago
no ones gonna quote Macbeth for you READ IT... fuking RR and thou shalt not kill trumps all
titbumtit1 3 years ago
As a christian it is definitely interesting to hear some of the comments you have put out there about us. I of course beg to differ on many different points which would possibly take all day however I will say only this, it really is a pity that you are so intelligent because in the end - everything you are saying comes to nothing - your whole logic comes to nothing outside Christ. This whole world that you are such an expert on was made by and is held together by him alone. God bless.
Misato90 3 years ago
you sound very arrogant, and it seems atheiesm is radical also.
thinkglobally123 3 years ago
Well you could be right of course, but calling me arrogant does not address the reasoning and content of any of my arguments...
stefbot 3 years ago 25
@stefbot your definition of 'religion' is derived purely from its christian context and thus you apply the term to the whole world. not all "religions" are based on blind belie of the "supernatural"f; even tho other cultures/religions may have concepts such as 'god(s)' it doesn't mean their context and meaning is even remotely the same as in christianity.
i'm not a christian or an atheist and i'm not really offended, but i see atheists often wildly arrogant toward the rest of the planet.
keeelane 1 year ago
I thought you was smart untill I saw this
thinkglobally123 3 years ago
pleasant to listen.. thank you for sharing.
forthreisch 3 years ago
The Bibile likens God to a father. If so, then God is an absentee father who hasn't paid child support in 4,000 years.
waterloo2you 3 years ago
great vid. You can't reason with the ones that don't want to listen.
gerry2345 3 years ago
This was great.
Mattara 3 years ago
"Can't touch this".. Ahahahaha! Hehehe..
2dippadee 3 years ago 8
But... but... GOD IS ALL-POWERFUL! He can exist outside time whilst still being able to affect our physical universe!
You're completely right. These Christian arguments are both absolutely laughable and pathetic.
UnhealthySalad 4 years ago
Stefbot is right. Deal with it.
Jinmarui 4 years ago
Is it just me or did stef seriously destroy religion with one video? ._.'
Shezmu 4 years ago
Seriously! :)
stefbot 4 years ago
Well, my religion wasn't destroyed by Stef when I watched his video. Because like most anti-religious attacks, only the second-rate religious are vulnrable to them. Only those that accept the basic premises of the Godless to start with will fall before such a video, . Expecially when Stef uses unsupported claims like the Bible telling me to kill all unbelievers. False Prophets however aren't normal unbelievers, they are people falsely claiming divine inspiration.
cliffracerslayer 4 years ago
"basic premises of the Godless"
What premises do atheists accept exactly? Last I checked, the only thing that atheists universally believe is that god doesn't exist.
Shezmu 4 years ago
"Expecially when Stef uses unsupported claims like the Bible telling me to kill all unbelievers" "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)"
???
Shezmu 4 years ago
That is a specific oath Shezmu made by specific people. That is they agreed that should any of them abandon the Faith, they would be killed. Not quite the same as an unequivical order to kill all unbelievers.
cliffracerslayer 4 years ago
And your god allowed this vile garbage to happen. Good enough for me.
Shezmu 4 years ago
If a bunch of people swear to God together that if any of them go Apostate they will kill them, where does God appear? It's not like God orders it, it's just something they did that is recorded.
cliffracerslayer 4 years ago
Except your own faith says that god is omnipotent and has perfect morals, so he should not allow such agreements to happen to begin with. =/
Shezmu 4 years ago
Well, let's start with Stefbot's premises.
1. Religion and Science are the same, the Bible must therefore be scientifically accurate to be true.
2. "It just happens" suffices as a valid explanation for something.
3. God is contradictory rather than above the universe, which he must be in order to create them.
4. The existance of something unobserved cannot be deduced from it's effects. Bye bye Black Holes.
cliffracerslayer 4 years ago
@1:Yep. If a theory can't stand up to scientific scrutiny, then the theory is not valid.
@2:I agree. I just apply that to gods to.
@3:... sure.
@4:And where does he say this?
Also, what premises do all atheists agree on?
Shezmu 4 years ago
1. That follows only if science is the only thing that exists and there are no things that are beyond scientific explanation. That is of course religion.
2. Except God can solve that problem, since God can exist by his own will to exist.
4. Well, I just did a random snap of his video and the unobserved thing popped up.
cliffracerslayer 4 years ago
1: The only things beyond the range of science are things that can't be investigated by current technology and things that don't exist in reality.
2: *cough*Russel's teapot*cough*
4: I'm feeling lazy
Also, what premises do all atheists agree on?
Shezmu 4 years ago
Also on 2: begging the question fallacy.
Shezmu 4 years ago
That nothing exists and can be known about except through Scientific means. At a more extensive level, that nothing outside of material reality can be held to exist.