I think they used nonelethal weapons such as sand bags and plastic bullets. the pics you showed of cops with shot guns could be just shot guns with bean bags and plastic bullets. when chinese military decide to use live rounds, they usually have aks or qbzs. that is my 2 cents. it is sad that there were so many victims and damages.
Only a very small group of Uighurs follows AlQaeda because they believe AlQaeda would help them to break away from PRC. Most Uighurs in Chinese Turkistan are not sensitive politically but concern more on their livelihood, job opportunities and business. Overseas Uighurs normally promote independence which is quite different from native Uighurs thinking.
Uighurs in Chinese Turkistan follow a mild form of Islam, not fundamentalists. That is why you can see girls in Chinese Turkistan don't have to cover up their face while walking on the streets.
At the start of the demonstration in Urumqi, the Uighurs waved Chinese 5 stars national flag and asked for equality and freedom not independence from PRC.
However in the side streets of Urumqi, small groups of unemployed youngsters from Hotan or areas in South Chinese Turkistan organised to kill Hans.
Well, whatever little sympathy I have for the Uighurs is completely gone since the arrest of Uighur Al Qaeda terrorists in Norway a month back. I say let the Chinese take care of them because God forbid, we put them up in a plush prison in this country.
It is said that bilingual teaching is in force for both Chinese and Uighur language but in reality many subjects are taught in Chinese especially in Uiniversities in Chinese Turkistan.
Something you don't know, Uighurs under 18 and Uighur officials / communists are not allowed to attend Muslim teachings and temples. For advanced learning of Muslim faith they must go overseas or other Muslim countries.
As for the Uighur language, teachers who teach only Uighur in schools must also fluent in Chinese ( examination to qualify approved Chinese language level ) that in some cases only Han Chinese are qualified as former Uighur teachers are not fluent in Chinese.
The Chinese Government arent trying to supress (whatever it's spelled) their language or religion. They were just trying to teach them Chinese, they may continue to learn their language. I've lived in Xinjiang for six months, and never heard of any supression of Islamic by the CCP.
What a fucking loser. Change your name you idiot. If you REALLY are a propaganda buster you would see that it is the west using these groups to break up China. 1st with Tibet, CHina crushed them, now again with Uighurs.. get a fucking clue buster. I am very happy that the US and Europe economy is falling, so you people can stop creating problems for the world
Han Chinese colonisation over Xinjiang Uyghurs in Western China is no different to European colonisation over American Natives...in both cases there was authoritative sociocultural dominance; perhaps even more and on a far larger (exterminative) scale in the latter case...really don't understand get why US has to criticise others when they themselves are a product of such acts.
@attcheung - - So the according to you it was a good thing when the Europeans colonized many parts of the world and the Americans moved the Native Americans off their lands. Should I thank you for that validation or feel sorry for you?
@PropagandaBuster History shows that these events just tend to occur; it may be seen as a good thing or a bad thing - the US may be a completely different place or not even exist as a country without European colonisation, but at the same time this led to the extermination of the Natives and their culture; Han Chinese occupation over Uyghurs in Xinjiang should be justified, at least by European Americans (since what they did was far worse to the natives).
@attcheung - Do you realize when you wrote, "extermination of the Natives and their culture," it screamed you know absolutely nothing about Native Americans other than quoting bumper sticker slogans?
@PropagandaBuster History shows that these events just tend to occur; it may be seen as a good thing or a bad thing - the US may be a completely different place or not even exist as a country without European colonisation, but at the same time this led to the extermination of the Natives and their culture; Han Chinese occupation over Uyghurs in Xinjiang should be justified, at least by European Americans (since what they did was far worse to the natives).
On Tuesday morning, officers from Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office and the Bavarian police searched the homes of four Chinese nationals in the Munich area, SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned. They are under suspicion of being intelligence service agents for the Chinese government tasked with spying on Munich's large expatriate community of Uighurs
what you don't realize is that beijing has been financing and arming fundamentalist islamists in iran, the ISI in pakistan and the taliban in afganistan for years. at the close of the israeli seige of gaza, palestinians were firing chinese-made rockets into israel. those rockets and arms will soon be used against chinese colonists in east turkestan.
You forgot, the USA did not lose in Vietnam. The Democrats in the USA Congress voted to suspend all money for the war. So the USA military had no money to continue the war and were forced to leave Vietnam. Resulting in the collapse of South Vietnam into commie hands.
@hafeez587 - Of course, plus if we had a Republican Congress to support President Nixon's efforts to win that war along with our allies in South Vietnam.
@hafeez587 - The Democratic Party in the USA stopped the funding for that war because they do not care about American security or honoring our allies. To Democrats it was more important to defeat President Richard Nixon than it was to win that war
@hafeez587 - Pol Pot and his commie thugs would not have murdered 1.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam would still be South Vietnam and not part of commie Vietnam.
Majority dead are Han Chinese..brutally murdered in their own country by muslims...now Hans have to tk things in their hands against Islamic jihad! perpetrated by islamic fundamentalists like kadeer from the US!
Chinese are usually peaceful..but now they hv to learn&history of other counties to tackle Uigher islamic rebellion and THE involvement of its so called Islamic allies such as PAKISTAN, TURKMANISTAN AND IRAN ETC in training the terrorist groups operating in Xingjian!
uighurs are, in general, 60% caucasian and 40% mongol. turks are indeed mongol; uighurs are mixed with slightly more caucasian blood.
mythical emperor huang ti, 2,600BC, was most likely a western conqueror, central asian indo-euro, just like the tocharians, who showed up in the tarim @ 1,500yrs. before any chinese were seen there. han and tang dynasties were the only periods when china ruled over the tarim and east turkestan, until mao's 1949 invasion.
fascinating utube video which follows archeo exploration of the tarim basin. evidence indicates uighurs have been there since 1,800 BC which blows big holes in beijing's "history". in fact, the video's authors touch on the difficulty in seeing much of the findings chinese archeos have discovered because of the political implications.
it also lends great strength to the theory that china didn't develop isolated: western culture played a huge, leading role.
Uighhurs are not indo-europeans, they are turks, the decendants of the mongolic/turkic nomads that conquered the torcharians. Xinjiang has be a battlefield between Chinese dynasties and nomads since then.
andy, it's beijing's policies towards forcibly assimilated ethnic groups and the nations of manchuria, mongolia, uighuristan and tibet which are causing the unrest in china, not western "splittists". in 2008 alone, in china (not including the 4 mentioned militarily occupied nations), there were over 100,000 "incidents" in which security forces were obliged to intervene, a 600% increase in the last 10 yrs. these
"incidents" were caused by chinese citizens who are fed up with govt corruption.
in order to split china, the white colonists who are enjoying the bonus of the genocide to the natives peoples all over the world are provoking hate amongst different enthnic chinese to make them deadly enemies and meanwhile they act as moral teachers to their victims including the chinese, that s disgusting, the commies are also disgusting when sucking the uyhurs assholes.
PropagandaBuster you are missing the point. those victims were mostly Uigurs, I am Han Chinese and Xin Jiang resident but it doesn't give reason to hide my country's evil government's acts. There was no riot initially. It supposed to be protest to get government attention to give some equality
I think many of the problems in the so-called Autonomous Regions in China begin with the "Sinocentrism", which is merely a relic of the past now. Such relation collapsed when European nations half-colonized China.
Countries around China had been paying tribute to China, and were dependent for its military forces and the newest products at that time. That's why many of (Han) Chinese still believe those countries have been parts of China, while the ethnic minorities think they were just allying.
"Wild Pigeon" is the allegorical story of the son of a pigeon king who is trapped and caged by humans while on a mission to find a new home for his flock. He eventually commits suicide by eating a poisoned strawberry rather than sacrifice his freedom. The poisons from the strawberry flow through me, the wild pigeon remarks to himself at the end. Now, finally, I can die freely. I feel as if my soul is on fire-soaring and free. chinese oppressors consider the story to be a criticism of their
governments presence in the East Turkestan. After a closed trial in February 2005 at which he was denied a lawyer, Yasin was sentenced by the Maralbesh Country Court to 10 years in prison. Korash Huseyin, the editor of the Kashgar Literary Journal, was sentenced to three years in prison for publishing "Wild Pigeon."
Upon appeal, the Kashgar Intermediate court upheld the 10-year sentence; on May 19, 2005 Yasin was transferred to Urumchi No. 1 Jail where he currently remains detained.
He has been denied all visitors since his arrest. However, it appears that Yasin has remained active on the internet, occasionally posting on Uighur-language message boards like Meshrep. On May 23, 2006, Radio Free Asia translated and published an online an essay he wrote, entitled What is Love?, which had been written before his imprisonment.
Nurmuhemmet Yasin is an award-winning freelance Uighur writer. He is known for his numerous short stories, essays, and three volumes of poetry:
First Love, Crying From the Heart and Come on Children. Some of his work has already been selected for inclusion in Uighur-language middle-school literature textbooks. His current short story "Wild Pigeon" ("Yawa Kepter") was broadcast through Radio Free Asia's Uighur Service and has been translated into English. Yasin, aged 31, is married with two sons.
I also denounce Rabia Kadeer and her organization, the World Uyghur Congress, for using forged documents time after time in order to instigate violence and to justify the deadly violence that she've started.
the various territories, among them, china, tibet, east turkestan, mongolia, et al, declared independence. if you wish to invoke legitimacy, you weaken your case ever further.
My lying friend, you not only fabricated information in order to further you argument, you're clueless about Chinese history, hence my suggestion for you to stay in school. When a bureaucracy like Manchu's fell, it was replaced by another. China did not break into little many right wing, pro-west republics. There were claims of independence in 1933 and 1944, 20+ years after the fall of Manchu, these independence were recognized by no one. Wikipedia east turkestan independence movement.
Is this the website from which you get your number "1-5m" Uyghurs killed after 1949? Because I looked and I didn't find anything about Uyghur death. Please stop being evasive!
Why is it so difficult for your to provide some an actual citation of one of your claims? You weren't in Xinjiang I assume, therefore, you must got your number from other sources. And after looking at this website, I know you didn't get your "1-5m" Uyghur from it.
When Manchu bureaucracy fell, it was REPLACED by another bureaucracy.
It is fine to declare independence. I can do it, you can do it, we all can do it. The question is whether these declarations of independence are legitimate as I was demonstrating with a hypothetical scenario. You're a joke. You not only fabricated information, you don't even know the topic that is being discussed. Stay in school kid.
i don't admire your evasiveness and disingenuous attemp to change the subject of this video: east turkestan and chinese genocide. just because it didn't happen in 6 weeks as in rwanda or 6 yrs, as with the nazis doesn't mean it's not genocide.
you're addressing someone who's part mohawk and i can give you some % on native loss of life. so, please, if you're going to use the "reply" icon, which generates an email notification, stick with the topic. otherwise, don't bother.
"[...] when the manchu fell, china tibet east turkestan and several others all claimed sovereignty." These are your exact words. Since you brought up the notion of sovereignty claiming, I challenged you on it. And of course, when cornered, you accused me of being evasive for talking about something that you've brought up in your previous comment.
BTW, your ethnic make up and which government you think is evil is not a factor in a discussion about the legitimization of independence.
And also, when I asked you to provide a citation of your accusation of "1-5m" Uyghurs killed, so that any one interested in this topic can check your source him/herself, you were and still are silent.
international rule of law, the universal declaration of human rights and their guarantees of justice and human dignity...let that be your guide.
your declaration of independence depends on your status before the "problem" began. int'l rights lawyers are much agreed that of all those who claim statehood, there are 3 peoples who meet all the requirements: tibetans, palestinians and kurds. uighurs had 2 short-lived republics; palestine was never independent but their situation is more urgent.
As I've already mentioned that 17% of looseshengjistan's population were killed during the last 50 years, clearly UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights was violated (article 3). There were no justice nor dignity for the people of looseshengjistan. Do you believe by fulfilling these conditions that my house can legitimately be independent from the evil American government?
I truly admire your ability of weaseling around. Your rhetorical skill is almost as impressive as PB's is.
was your house invaded? was your family subjected to a military occupation? were there 46 surface nuclear detonations en tu barrio?
i'm not here defending the u.s. as far as i'm concerned, the real axis of evil is washington - tel aviv - beiing, the 3 regimes, along with their emulators, which do the most to subvert international rule of law.
What if my house is regularly invaded by ethnic Americans (whatever "ethnic Americans" and "regularly" means to you). And there are military troops stationed near "looseshengjistan". I subjectively think these stationed forces are unfriendly to my people. Furthermore, there were indeed nuclear tests conducted near my house which affects it. Do you believe these conditions, together with the already mentioned reasons, legitimatize my declaration of independence from the U.S. government?
There is one problem with that: Al Qaeda is not in Xinjiang or anywhere else in China. See Al Qaeda respects brute force and the commies believe in brute force. That is why Al Qaeda continues to attack the West because we have been weakened by liberals and play patty-fingers with Al Qaeda.
so when tang dynasty fell, so did its control over east turkestan. same as manchu; when the manchu fell, china tibet east turkestan and several others all claimed sovereignty.
china "as a whole" doesn't include manchuria, monglia, east turkestan nor tibet.
My dimwitted friend, I'm still waiting for your evidence BTW.
Answer me this, I live in the U.S., if I proclaim the independence of my house, calling it the country of "looseshengjistan", do you believe my independence is legitimate? The reasons for my independence are all valid according to you, the three main ones are: My family have always been here throughout history; I do not consider myself and my people as Americans ethnically; My religion is not recognized by the American government.
If your answer to my previous question is no. Then consider this, does the timing of my declaration of independence make "looseshengjistan" legitimate? It is legitimate if I claimed my independence during a period when an old ruling bureaucracy is being replaced by a new one?
If your answer is still no, can I change your mind if I added more reasons to the list? In "looseshengjistan" a different language is spoken than that of mainstream America. In the last 50 years, 1 person of "looseshengjistan", which is about 17% of my population, were killed by the American law enforcement. Whether or not the killing was justified, I interpreted it as a form of oppression, and by doing so, do I have a ground for revenge killings, let say killing 156 innocent American civilians?
but then riot happens in every country and in particular race or ethic riots are fueled by people like PB, fueling one group with a false sense of injustice, and blame ethic differences as the reason for their problems. What is the real problem? becuase two guys got killed in a fight two months before? I don't think so. Are Uygurs so angry with China? but they have been with China for 1000+ years so why now? whats changed?
You have posted a fake message, and then with your superior number you killed many Uighurs publicly in Shaoguan. And the most Hans's reaction on the Internet were "More Uighurs should be killed". Uighurs demonstrated for your killings. Then police crushed them, when some Uighurs got angry beat up (not kill) some innocent Hans. Police got excuse and killed many Uighurs indiscriminately. More Uighurs got angry and killed many Hans (at night), so you eventually started a bloodshed successfully.
I should say a lot things have changed over 1000years. The most significant of all is PRC. Governments and dynasties before PRC tried to rule the minorities by putting a government official as the ruler of that region, where PRC tries to unite the region where minorities live by moving mass of the majority people into that region. In later case, ethnic issu bound to break out. You probably know a few ethnic issues started just like that, forced migration to occupied land. It is the real problem.
Just like you say, riot happens in every country. Why should China be the only exception? Discontent is real enough and that's the real fuel. A small spark like that two guys killed can ignite it. I'm not saying that propaganda didn't play a role in this because I don't know, but propaganda alone can't be the fuel or the spark.
i support int'l rule of law, universal declaration of human rights and their guarantees of justice, human dignity and right to self-rule.
try telling polish that poland is still part of the czarist russian, prussian or austro-hungarian empires. or try telling indians or irish that india or ireleand is part of the british empire. they'll laugh in your "face".
han and tang were indeed chinese dynasties, the only chinese dynasties to ever control uighuristan. tang fell in 907, ending chinese rule
My mindless friend, you're against the objective analysis of methods of propaganda as seen in your first comment. You're also against providing evidence of a claim that you've made. I'm still waiting by the way.
qwerty, get this in your head, the only native chinese dynasties to control uighuristan were the han and tang. china had nothing to do with uighuristan til mao's pla invaded.
mispis : are you still supporting the Dalai Lama? I guess you support Kadeer and her gang too? and also the Falung Gong?
everytime someone or group uses ethicity as the agenda for independance your alarm such immediately sound. Because when such groups gets their way, see Bosnia, it is inevitable that 'ethic cleaning' of other ethic groups will follow.
Only Han Chinese claim that "We liberated Tibet and Uighur!"
However, world people well know han Chinese as " fascist, evil, racist, dictator, murder, rapist". china is evil and racist and communism and the root for all trouble in the world today
You Know, Originally Han Chinese are "invaders" (This is the basic of most). You han race must admit it, and if han race want coexist with uighur, Uighur's natural resource and its benefit MUST belong to uighur race.
killed 10 million Uyghur!! look if that is the case then Uyghur Congress would have compiled evidence and charge China with genocide. I have not heard of such charge have you?
Do you know the country named "East Turkistan"? The country is not a member of the United Nations, and is not mapped. The area is usually called "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region", the People's Republic of China.
This area is famous for the Silk Road where Eastern and Western culture were interacted, but has flourished with its own specific culture and history.
I'm not familiar with its history, but "Xinjiang" means "new territory", doesn't it? The land was named so in 18th century, and it was not a part of China before. Or, do you believe even the Mongol Empire was a part of China?
"and the name 'East Turkistan' is named by ..."
What's the matter with that, since the name "the People's Republic of China" was named by CPC only 60 years ago.
the poster ask why we don't hear about the name 'East Turkistan' so I try to explain that it is a relatively new name.
"Xinjiang" means "new territory", new somthing but not 'territory' but I do know that that place and name has been part of China for thousands of years.
'even the Mongol Empire was a part of China' err you mean China was a part of Mongol Empire..? Yes it WAS! BUT not now!
That area was a part of Mongol Empire before 18th century, and there even existed "Uyghur Khaganate" for about a century between the mid 8th and 9th centuries. So it is a little too unreasonable to regard there as having been a part of China for thousands of years.
East Turkistan declared independence in 1933 and 1944, but in the end the leaders were killed under the pretense of a plane accident by China and Soviet.
It's impossible to use logic and maturity with a Chink. You are just hurting yourself and frustrating yourself. In Chinese culture, the winner of a discussion is the one who screams the loudest with the most racist comments filled with dirty language and profanity. That's how u win...Chink style.
Han Chinese are nothing but a 100% EVIL Fascist, and they have full of racism and fascist mentality.
they cannot just admit that they are hateful, sub human racist pieces of trash.
Typical Chinese say, "Motherfucking westerner shit goddman go to fuck, fuck, motherfuck, we Chinese are so best and civilized, We liberated tibet! motherfucking westerner, sister fucking, dick eating, shit sucking, mother fuck, fuck, fuck"
China is nothing but a "parasitic insect" (寄生虫) of the world.
1st of all, There is NO good contribution to world.
2nd, Chinks only suck money from western. (Sell shit quality, immitation copy product or car or a cheap ugly whore.) Chink industry easily replace by other east asia countries.(Japan, Taiwan, S.Korea....) if China vanished, These countries will rise.
3rd, if China killed, What country suffer inconvenience? None.
"No Need China" China role in the world is totally worthless What China contribution to World? Nothing. They just suck money from world. But world is no need china. No contribution to world China is "parasitic insect" = 支那蛆虫 ---------------------- 1. Kill monk 2. Rape Womens 3. Burn munk 4. Shit on tibet You thank to be friend.
polluting atmosphere , corruption , faked products,toxic foods, SARS, AIDS, chicken-flu,pickpocket , eating human organs and female foetues , eat dogs , torturing falun gong members, kill 70 millions men in bloody "Mao-revolution",killing Tibetian monks & Burmese monks, invades Inner Mongolia, East Turkestan, take? illegal islands from South East Asia, treat to workers like animal in sweatshops, ...
typical Chinese practice of spewing racist, filthy, barbaric words, profanity, and really dirty language. Fortunately, it is not a practice of Chinese culture to engage in such low class and foul behavior. However, Chinese seem to always use words like "fuck", "shit", and "damn", "whore","dicks", "mother fucker".
The Uyghurs are a Turkic Muslim people who are being severely oppressed by the brutal Chinese communist regime. Their homeland East Turkestan was stolen by China over 50 years ago and renamed "Xinjiang".
Are you serious? Of course it matters if the Chinese government killed innocent Muslims. The act of killing innocent people is not acceptable. I'm simply saying it should not be an excuse for more killing. And using one tragedy to justifying another is exactly what scums like mispistoleros do.
july 5th, 2009 started in 1949 when the chinese pla, under orders from mao, invaded east turkestan.
all non-chinese reports say that pockets of peacefully demonstrating students were chased down by special ops and shot.
if you're saying that murdering 1-5M uighurs is morally acceptable, that 46 surface nuclear detonations near populated areas is acceptable, you're a monster and a traitor to the chinese people.
Do you mean western medias that were reporting there were WMD in Iraq before the war? Yes they are creditable.
You did exactly what I thought you would do, you justified the killing of innocent people with a reason that you find acceptable. You're indeed a monster. I'm sorry that flg have made you into one. BTW, since you brought up the number 1-5m, where did you get this number from? It is a serious accusation, where is your evidence to back up your claim? Plz provide a citation of some kind.
loosenoodles, i have no problem with what you just posted. however, this video is about east turkestan, the pla invasion of east turkestan and the military occupation and colonization, tantamount to genocide, of east turkestan. thus, i limited by oxymorons to the criminal corrupt nepotistic cpc china, inc., which only traitors to the chinese people defend.
My simpleton friend, please note that the July riot was an unfortunate incident which started when a small group of Uyghurs attacked and killed innocent civilians. If you're saying that murdering innocent people is morally acceptable as long as there is a reason which appeals to you personally, you're a monster.
In my original comment, which you've read and replied, I was pointing out PB's methods of spreading his particular view point. Where did you get the idea that I was defending anything?
A better list of examples would include "democratic/peaceful west", "hyphenated American/Canadian", and "Canadian goods". But yes, that's exactly what I meant.
My forgetful friend, you still haven't answer my question. The reason I ask that question is because if you're known as an idiot, your propaganda won't be taken seriously by your targets. If you knew X is illogical, then why did you choose to be known as an illogical idiot by using X intentionally? Is it a Canadian thing?
meanwhile, another attack on algerian security forces, 11 killed. they'd just escorted chinese coolie labour back to their barracks. chinese labour in algeria are most likely, as in zambia and other african nations, serving prisons sentences and working on chinese mega-projects. beijing's loans to african nations are contingent upon chinese firms getting the contracts. these contracts are often at extremely inflated prices, which is at the heart of the present scandal in namibia.
My foolish friend, if you knew the two words can't coexist logically then why did you choose to be irrational?
Although slogans such as the one you've typed are trendy, it is not as effective as PB's propaganda. For an example if I scream: boycott Canadian goods, and the reason for my boycott is that Canadians don't wash their hands after using the toilet. My argument is logical, because no one wants anything made by filthy Canadians, but my propaganda will not be as effective as that of PB.
Oh no my poor misguided friend, I was not being modest. Of course, living in North America, I am familiar with these techniques of propaganda. I encounter them daily. But I've never seen anyone utilized them so perfectly. That's why PB is the one and only king of propaganda.
BTW, you might want to look up the words "indoctrination" and "inherently" in a dictionary. If a person knows X through indoctrination, that person cannot also inherently know X.
Dear PB, I want to thank you for teaching me something new in every one of your videos. In this video I learned that in order to turn a partially understood even into a piece of propaganda, 1) I must use my own preconception to make up rest of the story. 2) To achieve my propagandistic goal, I will tell my invention to as many people as I possibly can. 3) Lastly, in order to have the appearance of fairness, I will rationalize my fabrication by blaming my own action on someone/something else.
Still committing genocide upon tens of millions whore of Satan? repent to Christ before it is too late for you demonic genocidal tool or face eternal damnation in the blackness of darkness forever.
When did old annoying farts learn to use video cameras?
gtfo of youtube....you really are just some pussy in the middle of nowhere bitching about shit you see on the news...
rewya999 10 months ago
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ThatsMrFrank 10 months ago
I think they used nonelethal weapons such as sand bags and plastic bullets. the pics you showed of cops with shot guns could be just shot guns with bean bags and plastic bullets. when chinese military decide to use live rounds, they usually have aks or qbzs. that is my 2 cents. it is sad that there were so many victims and damages.
eastern2western 1 year ago 2
Only a very small group of Uighurs follows AlQaeda because they believe AlQaeda would help them to break away from PRC. Most Uighurs in Chinese Turkistan are not sensitive politically but concern more on their livelihood, job opportunities and business. Overseas Uighurs normally promote independence which is quite different from native Uighurs thinking.
Thak11 1 year ago
Uighurs in Chinese Turkistan follow a mild form of Islam, not fundamentalists. That is why you can see girls in Chinese Turkistan don't have to cover up their face while walking on the streets.
At the start of the demonstration in Urumqi, the Uighurs waved Chinese 5 stars national flag and asked for equality and freedom not independence from PRC.
However in the side streets of Urumqi, small groups of unemployed youngsters from Hotan or areas in South Chinese Turkistan organised to kill Hans.
Thak11 1 year ago
Well, whatever little sympathy I have for the Uighurs is completely gone since the arrest of Uighur Al Qaeda terrorists in Norway a month back. I say let the Chinese take care of them because God forbid, we put them up in a plush prison in this country.
jeffofsandiego 1 year ago
It is said that bilingual teaching is in force for both Chinese and Uighur language but in reality many subjects are taught in Chinese especially in Uiniversities in Chinese Turkistan.
Thak11 1 year ago
@Chingchong110
Something you don't know, Uighurs under 18 and Uighur officials / communists are not allowed to attend Muslim teachings and temples. For advanced learning of Muslim faith they must go overseas or other Muslim countries.
As for the Uighur language, teachers who teach only Uighur in schools must also fluent in Chinese ( examination to qualify approved Chinese language level ) that in some cases only Han Chinese are qualified as former Uighur teachers are not fluent in Chinese.
Thak11 1 year ago
The Chinese Government arent trying to supress (whatever it's spelled) their language or religion. They were just trying to teach them Chinese, they may continue to learn their language. I've lived in Xinjiang for six months, and never heard of any supression of Islamic by the CCP.
chingchong110 1 year ago
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What a fucking loser. Change your name you idiot. If you REALLY are a propaganda buster you would see that it is the west using these groups to break up China. 1st with Tibet, CHina crushed them, now again with Uighurs.. get a fucking clue buster. I am very happy that the US and Europe economy is falling, so you people can stop creating problems for the world
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Isreal4realz 1 year ago
Han Chinese colonisation over Xinjiang Uyghurs in Western China is no different to European colonisation over American Natives...in both cases there was authoritative sociocultural dominance; perhaps even more and on a far larger (exterminative) scale in the latter case...really don't understand get why US has to criticise others when they themselves are a product of such acts.
attcheung 1 year ago 6
@attcheung - - So the according to you it was a good thing when the Europeans colonized many parts of the world and the Americans moved the Native Americans off their lands. Should I thank you for that validation or feel sorry for you?
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster History shows that these events just tend to occur; it may be seen as a good thing or a bad thing - the US may be a completely different place or not even exist as a country without European colonisation, but at the same time this led to the extermination of the Natives and their culture; Han Chinese occupation over Uyghurs in Xinjiang should be justified, at least by European Americans (since what they did was far worse to the natives).
attcheung 1 year ago 8
@attcheung - Do you realize when you wrote, "extermination of the Natives and their culture," it screamed you know absolutely nothing about Native Americans other than quoting bumper sticker slogans?
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
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@PropagandaBuster History shows that these events just tend to occur; it may be seen as a good thing or a bad thing - the US may be a completely different place or not even exist as a country without European colonisation, but at the same time this led to the extermination of the Natives and their culture; Han Chinese occupation over Uyghurs in Xinjiang should be justified, at least by European Americans (since what they did was far worse to the natives).
attcheung 1 year ago
@attcheung
well said!!
codeagent47 1 year ago 7
so in what year did Americans eradicated the native culture of America.
saint666 2 years ago
Look at this fucking Wap trying to give his 2 cents opinion. You are a fucking Elmer Fud wannabe. Fucking italian bastard.
888legendary 2 years ago
24-11-2009
On Tuesday morning, officers from Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office and the Bavarian police searched the homes of four Chinese nationals in the Munich area, SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned. They are under suspicion of being intelligence service agents for the Chinese government tasked with spying on Munich's large expatriate community of Uighurs
mispistoleros 2 years ago
tut, they aren't "in their own country" they're foreign colonists. soon, taliban will be sending chinese-supplied arms to uighur freedom fighters.
the chinese will be reaping what they've sown.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
what you don't realize is that beijing has been financing and arming fundamentalist islamists in iran, the ISI in pakistan and the taliban in afganistan for years. at the close of the israeli seige of gaza, palestinians were firing chinese-made rockets into israel. those rockets and arms will soon be used against chinese colonists in east turkestan.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Yeah keep laughing yourself....losers! america lost the wars in iraq and afghanistan! hahahhahahahaha
By the way does Uigurs lives necessary to be counted in casualties? Never!
God never bless america....dont made us laughs!
reddragonguy65 2 years ago
china is my # 1 enemy till i die!
junai11 2 years ago
u forgot they lost in Vietnam too...
their biggest lost ever in any war!!!
58,000 American lives! lol :D
vietorkorean 2 years ago
You forgot, the USA did not lose in Vietnam. The Democrats in the USA Congress voted to suspend all money for the war. So the USA military had no money to continue the war and were forced to leave Vietnam. Resulting in the collapse of South Vietnam into commie hands.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
@PropagandaBuster ú sure if they vote to continue financial support, America would have won Vietnam War?
hafeez587 1 year ago
@hafeez587 - Of course, plus if we had a Republican Congress to support President Nixon's efforts to win that war along with our allies in South Vietnam.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster but why they stop it...they were more genious and intelleigent..and knew that it wont end...
hafeez587 1 year ago
@hafeez587 - The Democratic Party in the USA stopped the funding for that war because they do not care about American security or honoring our allies. To Democrats it was more important to defeat President Richard Nixon than it was to win that war
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
@PropagandaBuster but wat cud have America achieved if they won this war?
hafeez587 1 year ago
@hafeez587 - Pol Pot and his commie thugs would not have murdered 1.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam would still be South Vietnam and not part of commie Vietnam.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
this guy is good. hes being reasonable
EmperorTiger 2 years ago
Majority dead are Han Chinese..brutally murdered in their own country by muslims...now Hans have to tk things in their hands against Islamic jihad! perpetrated by islamic fundamentalists like kadeer from the US!
Chinese are usually peaceful..but now they hv to learn&history of other counties to tackle Uigher islamic rebellion and THE involvement of its so called Islamic allies such as PAKISTAN, TURKMANISTAN AND IRAN ETC in training the terrorist groups operating in Xingjian!
tutu1234 2 years ago
that's right, the propaganda buster only knows one side of the story.
propagandabuster can hardly keep his mind off his own nation's propaganda, let alone refude or criticize the other side's.
damn Americans.
minborox 2 years ago
I believed these guys in uniform are Wu Jing (armed police), not soldiers.
BlloodRayyven 2 years ago
uighurs are, in general, 60% caucasian and 40% mongol. turks are indeed mongol; uighurs are mixed with slightly more caucasian blood.
mythical emperor huang ti, 2,600BC, was most likely a western conqueror, central asian indo-euro, just like the tocharians, who showed up in the tarim @ 1,500yrs. before any chinese were seen there. han and tang dynasties were the only periods when china ruled over the tarim and east turkestan, until mao's 1949 invasion.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Tocharians - Indo-Europeans in China
fascinating utube video which follows archeo exploration of the tarim basin. evidence indicates uighurs have been there since 1,800 BC which blows big holes in beijing's "history". in fact, the video's authors touch on the difficulty in seeing much of the findings chinese archeos have discovered because of the political implications.
it also lends great strength to the theory that china didn't develop isolated: western culture played a huge, leading role.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Uighhurs are not indo-europeans, they are turks, the decendants of the mongolic/turkic nomads that conquered the torcharians. Xinjiang has be a battlefield between Chinese dynasties and nomads since then.
saint666 2 years ago
andy, it's beijing's policies towards forcibly assimilated ethnic groups and the nations of manchuria, mongolia, uighuristan and tibet which are causing the unrest in china, not western "splittists". in 2008 alone, in china (not including the 4 mentioned militarily occupied nations), there were over 100,000 "incidents" in which security forces were obliged to intervene, a 600% increase in the last 10 yrs. these
"incidents" were caused by chinese citizens who are fed up with govt corruption.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
in order to split china, the white colonists who are enjoying the bonus of the genocide to the natives peoples all over the world are provoking hate amongst different enthnic chinese to make them deadly enemies and meanwhile they act as moral teachers to their victims including the chinese, that s disgusting, the commies are also disgusting when sucking the uyhurs assholes.
andyly0071 2 years ago
If you don't sympothize the innocent Han-Chinese murdered by the Uyghur mobs in Urumchi,fuck you!
tobeornot00 2 years ago
The ethnic breakdown: of 156 civilian victims: 134 Han, 11 Hui, 10 Uyghurs and 1 Manchu.
Another 41 dead are either rioters or soldiers, whose ethnicities have not yet been identified.
shijieheping123 2 years ago
PropagandaBuster you are missing the point. those victims were mostly Uigurs, I am Han Chinese and Xin Jiang resident but it doesn't give reason to hide my country's evil government's acts. There was no riot initially. It supposed to be protest to get government attention to give some equality
HanLiMeng 2 years ago
Thank you for your comment. Please be careful.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Hanlimeng is not even a han chinese.
Bloody fake account.Youtube got banned
in china so you are most likely living
overseas
poortaiwanese 2 years ago 2
The domestic pigeons in vast numbers want peaceful lives not adventures.
Thak11 2 years ago
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hellyeah168 2 years ago
傻x
tasselchen 2 years ago
Your hero Nixon shook hands and joked with Mao.
rb1601 2 years ago
Apparently President Nixon was following the ancient Chinese suggestion from Sun-tzu:
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Yeah, and that was during the Cultural Revolution. Brezhnev wasn't great, but he didn't exterminate people.
rb1601 2 years ago
chinese history is not just a book written by westerns.
tasselchen 2 years ago
this guy is just a hipicrit the chinese govenment just say that 123 chinese people died but most of the people that died where ughuyrs!
nurzat0601 2 years ago
I think many of the problems in the so-called Autonomous Regions in China begin with the "Sinocentrism", which is merely a relic of the past now. Such relation collapsed when European nations half-colonized China.
Countries around China had been paying tribute to China, and were dependent for its military forces and the newest products at that time. That's why many of (Han) Chinese still believe those countries have been parts of China, while the ethnic minorities think they were just allying.
4LMNts 2 years ago 2
I love this Guy....my old man is getting better and better each day.....hahahahahahah
Seaxuan 2 years ago 2
"Wild Pigeon" is the allegorical story of the son of a pigeon king who is trapped and caged by humans while on a mission to find a new home for his flock. He eventually commits suicide by eating a poisoned strawberry rather than sacrifice his freedom. The poisons from the strawberry flow through me, the wild pigeon remarks to himself at the end. Now, finally, I can die freely. I feel as if my soul is on fire-soaring and free. chinese oppressors consider the story to be a criticism of their
mispistoleros 2 years ago
governments presence in the East Turkestan. After a closed trial in February 2005 at which he was denied a lawyer, Yasin was sentenced by the Maralbesh Country Court to 10 years in prison. Korash Huseyin, the editor of the Kashgar Literary Journal, was sentenced to three years in prison for publishing "Wild Pigeon."
Upon appeal, the Kashgar Intermediate court upheld the 10-year sentence; on May 19, 2005 Yasin was transferred to Urumchi No. 1 Jail where he currently remains detained.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
He has been denied all visitors since his arrest. However, it appears that Yasin has remained active on the internet, occasionally posting on Uighur-language message boards like Meshrep. On May 23, 2006, Radio Free Asia translated and published an online an essay he wrote, entitled What is Love?, which had been written before his imprisonment.
Nurmuhemmet Yasin is an award-winning freelance Uighur writer. He is known for his numerous short stories, essays, and three volumes of poetry:
mispistoleros 2 years ago
First Love, Crying From the Heart and Come on Children. Some of his work has already been selected for inclusion in Uighur-language middle-school literature textbooks. His current short story "Wild Pigeon" ("Yawa Kepter") was broadcast through Radio Free Asia's Uighur Service and has been translated into English. Yasin, aged 31, is married with two sons.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Good to know, I'll read Yasin's works in English. I'll join you in denouncing the unfair jailing of Yasin if what you've said is true.
looseshengji 2 years ago
I also denounce Rabia Kadeer and her organization, the World Uyghur Congress, for using forged documents time after time in order to instigate violence and to justify the deadly violence that she've started.
See: watch?v=JCiNVrVR2zM
looseshengji 2 years ago
when the manchu dynasty fell, so did its empire.
the various territories, among them, china, tibet, east turkestan, mongolia, et al, declared independence. if you wish to invoke legitimacy, you weaken your case ever further.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
My lying friend, you not only fabricated information in order to further you argument, you're clueless about Chinese history, hence my suggestion for you to stay in school. When a bureaucracy like Manchu's fell, it was replaced by another. China did not break into little many right wing, pro-west republics. There were claims of independence in 1933 and 1944, 20+ years after the fall of Manchu, these independence were recognized by no one. Wikipedia east turkestan independence movement.
looseshengji 2 years ago
show me any historical text which denies that former manchu-annexed territories didn't declare independence...
have fun reading "20th century atlas: death tolls"; the section on china is by far the largest.
sorry to say it but you're a wasted of time.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Is this the website from which you get your number "1-5m" Uyghurs killed after 1949? Because I looked and I didn't find anything about Uyghur death. Please stop being evasive!
Why is it so difficult for your to provide some an actual citation of one of your claims? You weren't in Xinjiang I assume, therefore, you must got your number from other sources. And after looking at this website, I know you didn't get your "1-5m" Uyghur from it.
looseshengji 2 years ago
You made up assertions and stated your imagination as facts. When pressured for a citation, you couldn't provide one. This makes you a liar.
looseshengji 2 years ago
When Manchu bureaucracy fell, it was REPLACED by another bureaucracy.
It is fine to declare independence. I can do it, you can do it, we all can do it. The question is whether these declarations of independence are legitimate as I was demonstrating with a hypothetical scenario. You're a joke. You not only fabricated information, you don't even know the topic that is being discussed. Stay in school kid.
looseshengji 2 years ago
"20th century atlas: death tolls" this site cites a lot more sources and studies than wiki.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
of course they are. i said you're evasive because you don't say who the "looseshengji are and the 17% murdered by security forces.
go ahead, challenge historical fact.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
"In the last 50 years, 1 person of "looseshengjistan", which is about 17% of my population". These were my exact words and you knew this.
By connecting your assertion to the words "historical facts" does not make your assertions actual historical facts.
looseshengji 2 years ago
i don't admire your evasiveness and disingenuous attemp to change the subject of this video: east turkestan and chinese genocide. just because it didn't happen in 6 weeks as in rwanda or 6 yrs, as with the nazis doesn't mean it's not genocide.
you're addressing someone who's part mohawk and i can give you some % on native loss of life. so, please, if you're going to use the "reply" icon, which generates an email notification, stick with the topic. otherwise, don't bother.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
"[...] when the manchu fell, china tibet east turkestan and several others all claimed sovereignty." These are your exact words. Since you brought up the notion of sovereignty claiming, I challenged you on it. And of course, when cornered, you accused me of being evasive for talking about something that you've brought up in your previous comment.
BTW, your ethnic make up and which government you think is evil is not a factor in a discussion about the legitimization of independence.
looseshengji 2 years ago
And also, when I asked you to provide a citation of your accusation of "1-5m" Uyghurs killed, so that any one interested in this topic can check your source him/herself, you were and still are silent.
looseshengji 2 years ago
international rule of law, the universal declaration of human rights and their guarantees of justice and human dignity...let that be your guide.
your declaration of independence depends on your status before the "problem" began. int'l rights lawyers are much agreed that of all those who claim statehood, there are 3 peoples who meet all the requirements: tibetans, palestinians and kurds. uighurs had 2 short-lived republics; palestine was never independent but their situation is more urgent.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
As I've already mentioned that 17% of looseshengjistan's population were killed during the last 50 years, clearly UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights was violated (article 3). There were no justice nor dignity for the people of looseshengjistan. Do you believe by fulfilling these conditions that my house can legitimately be independent from the evil American government?
I truly admire your ability of weaseling around. Your rhetorical skill is almost as impressive as PB's is.
looseshengji 2 years ago
was your house invaded? was your family subjected to a military occupation? were there 46 surface nuclear detonations en tu barrio?
i'm not here defending the u.s. as far as i'm concerned, the real axis of evil is washington - tel aviv - beiing, the 3 regimes, along with their emulators, which do the most to subvert international rule of law.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
What if my house is regularly invaded by ethnic Americans (whatever "ethnic Americans" and "regularly" means to you). And there are military troops stationed near "looseshengjistan". I subjectively think these stationed forces are unfriendly to my people. Furthermore, there were indeed nuclear tests conducted near my house which affects it. Do you believe these conditions, together with the already mentioned reasons, legitimatize my declaration of independence from the U.S. government?
looseshengji 2 years ago
Debating with this video maker is nonsense. He is a diehard anti-chinese roman catholic with italian mafia heritage.
How can you discuss with a hater like him, no way, he is just an ugly creature inside out.
maozedongsays 2 years ago
Beheading is not unique to Al-Qaeda. The French use to behead people, were they Al-Qaeda?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
There is one problem with that: Al Qaeda is not in Xinjiang or anywhere else in China. See Al Qaeda respects brute force and the commies believe in brute force. That is why Al Qaeda continues to attack the West because we have been weakened by liberals and play patty-fingers with Al Qaeda.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Where is China fighting Al-Qaeda?
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
so when tang dynasty fell, so did its control over east turkestan. same as manchu; when the manchu fell, china tibet east turkestan and several others all claimed sovereignty.
china "as a whole" doesn't include manchuria, monglia, east turkestan nor tibet.
just ask poland, finland, ireland or india.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
My dimwitted friend, I'm still waiting for your evidence BTW.
Answer me this, I live in the U.S., if I proclaim the independence of my house, calling it the country of "looseshengjistan", do you believe my independence is legitimate? The reasons for my independence are all valid according to you, the three main ones are: My family have always been here throughout history; I do not consider myself and my people as Americans ethnically; My religion is not recognized by the American government.
looseshengji 2 years ago
If your answer to my previous question is no. Then consider this, does the timing of my declaration of independence make "looseshengjistan" legitimate? It is legitimate if I claimed my independence during a period when an old ruling bureaucracy is being replaced by a new one?
I look forward to your reply.
looseshengji 2 years ago
If your answer is still no, can I change your mind if I added more reasons to the list? In "looseshengjistan" a different language is spoken than that of mainstream America. In the last 50 years, 1 person of "looseshengjistan", which is about 17% of my population, were killed by the American law enforcement. Whether or not the killing was justified, I interpreted it as a form of oppression, and by doing so, do I have a ground for revenge killings, let say killing 156 innocent American civilians?
looseshengji 2 years ago
History is not really the point in this matter, I think. History only explains how Uighur ended up as minority in China today.
The point is that whether the Uighur's rights are protected and their voice is represented in that big communist China of today or not.
I don't know which is the case, but since riot happened, it seems there were enough discontent to flame up.
guest0n 2 years ago
but then riot happens in every country and in particular race or ethic riots are fueled by people like PB, fueling one group with a false sense of injustice, and blame ethic differences as the reason for their problems. What is the real problem? becuase two guys got killed in a fight two months before? I don't think so. Are Uygurs so angry with China? but they have been with China for 1000+ years so why now? whats changed?
qwertyyau 2 years ago
You have posted a fake message, and then with your superior number you killed many Uighurs publicly in Shaoguan. And the most Hans's reaction on the Internet were "More Uighurs should be killed". Uighurs demonstrated for your killings. Then police crushed them, when some Uighurs got angry beat up (not kill) some innocent Hans. Police got excuse and killed many Uighurs indiscriminately. More Uighurs got angry and killed many Hans (at night), so you eventually started a bloodshed successfully.
TheXinjiang 2 years ago
I should say a lot things have changed over 1000years. The most significant of all is PRC. Governments and dynasties before PRC tried to rule the minorities by putting a government official as the ruler of that region, where PRC tries to unite the region where minorities live by moving mass of the majority people into that region. In later case, ethnic issu bound to break out. You probably know a few ethnic issues started just like that, forced migration to occupied land. It is the real problem.
guest0n 2 years ago
Just like you say, riot happens in every country. Why should China be the only exception? Discontent is real enough and that's the real fuel. A small spark like that two guys killed can ignite it. I'm not saying that propaganda didn't play a role in this because I don't know, but propaganda alone can't be the fuel or the spark.
guest0n 2 years ago
i support int'l rule of law, universal declaration of human rights and their guarantees of justice, human dignity and right to self-rule.
try telling polish that poland is still part of the czarist russian, prussian or austro-hungarian empires. or try telling indians or irish that india or ireleand is part of the british empire. they'll laugh in your "face".
han and tang were indeed chinese dynasties, the only chinese dynasties to ever control uighuristan. tang fell in 907, ending chinese rule
mispistoleros 2 years ago
ethnic cleansing is alive and well in tibet and uighuristan.
put it this way: you're wrong.
china, uighuristan and tibet were all absorbed into the foreign mongol and manchu empires.
to suggest these empires had anything to do with CPC CHINA, INC., is to suggest improper "ancestuous" relations.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
"ethnic cleansing is alive and well in tibet and uighuristan" you are right and we all saw the what the Uygurs done.
qwertyyau 2 years ago
My mindless friend, you're against the objective analysis of methods of propaganda as seen in your first comment. You're also against providing evidence of a claim that you've made. I'm still waiting by the way.
looseshengji 2 years ago
so when say the tang dynasties fell China ceased to exist?
one dynasty fall another dynasty took over, China as a whole continues. It is similar to modern day change of government!
qwertyyau 2 years ago
qwerty, get this in your head, the only native chinese dynasties to control uighuristan were the han and tang. china had nothing to do with uighuristan til mao's pla invaded.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
?? the han and tang WAS CHINA
qwertyyau 2 years ago
mispis : are you still supporting the Dalai Lama? I guess you support Kadeer and her gang too? and also the Falung Gong?
everytime someone or group uses ethicity as the agenda for independance your alarm such immediately sound. Because when such groups gets their way, see Bosnia, it is inevitable that 'ethic cleaning' of other ethic groups will follow.
qwertyyau 2 years ago
Maybe he hates human kind because human kind gave us you?
Do you think perhaps that is it?
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
HELLO, please do not kill yourself. We need you around to poke fun at.
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
And to laugh at too!
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
But you do realize you are an idiot, right?
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
Yes, he is aware of it.
PropagandaBuster 2 years ago
Only Han Chinese claim that "We liberated Tibet and Uighur!"
However, world people well know han Chinese as " fascist, evil, racist, dictator, murder, rapist". china is evil and racist and communism and the root for all trouble in the world today
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
You Know, Originally Han Chinese are "invaders" (This is the basic of most). You han race must admit it, and if han race want coexist with uighur, Uighur's natural resource and its benefit MUST belong to uighur race.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
'East Turkestan' is a only islam country that under evil empire.
other turkic '~stan' countries already freed from evil empire.
compared with other evil empires(soviet, mongol, and so on)...
China is a most brutal murder to islam people in all of history.
US? no.
Soviet? no.
China killed 10 millions uighur.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
this is just crap! 'evil empires' ...?
killed 10 million Uyghur!! look if that is the case then Uyghur Congress would have compiled evidence and charge China with genocide. I have not heard of such charge have you?
qwertyyau 2 years ago
Do you know the country named "East Turkistan"? The country is not a member of the United Nations, and is not mapped. The area is usually called "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region", the People's Republic of China.
This area is famous for the Silk Road where Eastern and Western culture were interacted, but has flourished with its own specific culture and history.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
now correct me if I'm wrong:
Xinjiang has been apart of China since the the days of the Silk Road ... that is 2000+ years ago!!!!!!!! Get that in your head 2000 years!!!!!
and the name 'East Turkistan' is named by the Uyghur independant movement! whos history is what less than 50 years! LOL
qwertyyau 2 years ago
I'm not familiar with its history, but "Xinjiang" means "new territory", doesn't it? The land was named so in 18th century, and it was not a part of China before. Or, do you believe even the Mongol Empire was a part of China?
"and the name 'East Turkistan' is named by ..."
What's the matter with that, since the name "the People's Republic of China" was named by CPC only 60 years ago.
4LMNts 2 years ago
the poster ask why we don't hear about the name 'East Turkistan' so I try to explain that it is a relatively new name.
"Xinjiang" means "new territory", new somthing but not 'territory' but I do know that that place and name has been part of China for thousands of years.
'even the Mongol Empire was a part of China' err you mean China was a part of Mongol Empire..? Yes it WAS! BUT not now!
qwertyyau 2 years ago
That area was a part of Mongol Empire before 18th century, and there even existed "Uyghur Khaganate" for about a century between the mid 8th and 9th centuries. So it is a little too unreasonable to regard there as having been a part of China for thousands of years.
East Turkistan declared independence in 1933 and 1944, but in the end the leaders were killed under the pretense of a plane accident by China and Soviet.
How horrible.
4LMNts 2 years ago
put it this way: Xinjiang has been with China longer than the combined history of America, Austrialia, NewZealand, Canada, so ... suck on that!
don't know about the plane crash but I though the Soviet supported the declaration in order to annex the area from China.
qwertyyau 2 years ago
Sounds like a man of domestic violence shouting,
"I've been with my wife longer than you've been married, so you shut up!"
4LMNts 2 years ago
*Tibetan, Dalai lama, Western, CNN, French, carrefour,Angela Merkel, Richard gere, Sharon Stone, Sarkozy, EU, Hollywood stars, Buddhist, Christian, Muslims, Uighur turks, ETIM, Rebiya Kadeer, Turkey, Indonesia, German media, Cambridge student, Russia Navy, Pierre Berge, Algeria = 100% Justice
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = Fascist, 100% EVIL
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = 100% EVIL
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = 100% EVIL
Remeber, This is "Justice vs. Evil" Fight.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
It's impossible to use logic and maturity with a Chink. You are just hurting yourself and frustrating yourself. In Chinese culture, the winner of a discussion is the one who screams the loudest with the most racist comments filled with dirty language and profanity. That's how u win...Chink style.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
the winner of a discussion...? don't you mean argument?
the winner of a 'discussion' In Western culture is the one who wins the fight!
for this point Chinese is mature enough to use word + profanity rather than resort to fist fight!
qwertyyau 2 years ago
Han Chinese are nothing but a 100% EVIL Fascist, and they have full of racism and fascist mentality.
they cannot just admit that they are hateful, sub human racist pieces of trash.
Typical Chinese say, "Motherfucking westerner shit goddman go to fuck, fuck, motherfuck, we Chinese are so best and civilized, We liberated tibet! motherfucking westerner, sister fucking, dick eating, shit sucking, mother fuck, fuck, fuck"
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Chinese think they can betray anthing for their interest. And they think it is a smart wisdom. Don't belive it.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
As a Asian, China is one the world most 'cancer of the earth'.
if you says like any other asian, but, They do not think like you.(except Chinse)
and don't believe china, they will not help you.
They just sell their weapon to africa, and they just want war in africa.
They just want africa natural resources.
They just suck money from western (by shit quality, immitation copy product or car or a cheap ugly whore)
They just suck oil from africa, and suck money from africa(by selling weapons)
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
China is nothing but a "parasitic insect" (寄生虫) of the world.
1st of all, There is NO good contribution to world.
2nd, Chinks only suck money from western. (Sell shit quality, immitation copy product or car or a cheap ugly whore.) Chink industry easily replace by other east asia countries.(Japan, Taiwan, S.Korea....) if China vanished, These countries will rise.
3rd, if China killed, What country suffer inconvenience? None.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
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Q 1: if China vanished, What country suffer inconvenience?
A: NOTHING.
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Q 2: Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
A: NOTHING.
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Q 3 : What country says, "We need China"??
A: NOTHING.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Everyone want "KiLL CHINA".
Kill CHINA = only merit, no demerit.
(What is the demerit?)
Understand?
if China killed, That is the GOOD chance to other countries.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Kill CHINA = only merit, no demerit.
world people suffer no inconvenience.
Q: if China killed, What country suffer inconvenience? NOTHING.
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Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Please say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
You Chinese do not know that You are "parasitic insect" of Western.
Industry Rival of China are Many.
It easily repalce by Many.
Really, All world no need china.
We can prove this.
Evidence : In 1950s, Your country isolated from world, However, World people lived as well without china.
China is......... totally worthless shithole nation to the world.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Just one simple question :
In the World, What is the "Good" Contribution from China?
Just say Anything, "Good" Contribution from China. Please.
Really, You do not know well. China is 'cancer of the earth'. World is no need china.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Don't tell al lie, asshole.
China is 'totally worhless existence' to the world.
Really, All world no need china.
We can prove this.
Evidence : In 1950s, Your country isolated from world, However, World people lived as well without china.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
How could be a greedy dirty nation like Chinese ?
polluting atmosphere , corruption , faked products,toxic foods, SARS, AIDS, chicken-flu,pickpocket , eating human organs and female foetues , eat dogs , torturing falun gong members, kill 70 millions men in bloody "Mao-revolution",killing Tibetian monks & Burmese monks, invades Inner Mongolia, East Turkestan, take? illegal islands from South East Asia, treat to workers like animal in sweatshops, ...
I couldn´t write all of that with 500 words
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Shameful Chinks export whores, fake goods, poisonous foods and criminals to the world.
All that Chinks can do is copying others.
Chinks are illegally ruling Tibet where Chinks should NOT live.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
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comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Don't worry. american friend.
USA is 'big customer' of China.
if USA cut off trading relation with china. China will poor.
China need USA technology, but USA don't need anything from China.
China have no friend.
even asian race, hate china and chinese.
in fact, world most china hater are asian.
bcoz, chinks are fucking stupid and ignorant.
anyway, no more made in china!!
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
typical Chinese practice of spewing racist, filthy, barbaric words, profanity, and really dirty language. Fortunately, it is not a practice of Chinese culture to engage in such low class and foul behavior. However, Chinese seem to always use words like "fuck", "shit", and "damn", "whore","dicks", "mother fucker".
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
1951 China invaded Tibet. 1,200,000 (1/5 of total population) Tibetans was killed by China.
tibet . net/en/diir/pubs/wp/tb96/Tibet%20Proving%20Truth . pdf
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
The Uyghurs are a Turkic Muslim people who are being severely oppressed by the brutal Chinese communist regime. Their homeland East Turkestan was stolen by China over 50 years ago and renamed "Xinjiang".
Please visit this website:
saveeastturk . org/
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Statistics:
1) Forcible abortion of 8,500,000 Uyghur babies of East Turkestan carried out by the Chinese government.
2) 500,000 people of East Turkestan slaughtered and massacred in cold blood by the Chinese.
3) 750,000 Uyghurs killed by the radioactive nuclear experiments of the Communist Part of China.
Total number of deaths: 10 MILLION Uyghur Muslims murdered by China.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
PRC & Han Chinese killed so many muslims and buddhist.
Muslims(uighur) and buddhist(tibetan) are nothing but a pure and innocent people.
Han Chinese must face to God's wrath.
PRC & Han Chinese are 'Enemy' of Islam and buddhist.
Oh, China and Han Chinese are truly "Cancer of the Earth".
if earth without han chinese, then we living in more great place.
Please, All world Muslims and buddhist!!! We must unite each other and against China!
PRC & Han Chinese are 'Enemy' of Islam and buddhist!!!
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Han Chinese are 100% EVIL Liar.
Don't believe anything from Han Chinese!!!
This is not anti-china issue.
This is
'All world vs. PRC' issue.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
stfu. han chinese are deserve to death. all universe feel happy. god's wrath.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
Are you serious? Of course it matters if the Chinese government killed innocent Muslims. The act of killing innocent people is not acceptable. I'm simply saying it should not be an excuse for more killing. And using one tragedy to justifying another is exactly what scums like mispistoleros do.
looseshengji 2 years ago
*Tibetan, Dalai lama, Western, CNN, French, carrefour,Angela Merkel, Richard gere, Sharon Stone, Sarkozy, EU, Hollywood stars, Buddhist, Christian, Uighur turks, ETIM, Rebiya Kadeer, Turkey, Indonesia, German media, Cambridge student, Russia Navy, Pierre Berge, Algeria = 100% Justice
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = Fascist, 100% EVIL
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = 100% EVIL
*Shitty Han Chinese and PRC China = 100% EVIL
Remeber, This is "Justice vs. Evil" Fight.
comeonwithtibet 2 years ago
july 5th, 2009 started in 1949 when the chinese pla, under orders from mao, invaded east turkestan.
all non-chinese reports say that pockets of peacefully demonstrating students were chased down by special ops and shot.
if you're saying that murdering 1-5M uighurs is morally acceptable, that 46 surface nuclear detonations near populated areas is acceptable, you're a monster and a traitor to the chinese people.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Do you mean western medias that were reporting there were WMD in Iraq before the war? Yes they are creditable.
You did exactly what I thought you would do, you justified the killing of innocent people with a reason that you find acceptable. You're indeed a monster. I'm sorry that flg have made you into one. BTW, since you brought up the number 1-5m, where did you get this number from? It is a serious accusation, where is your evidence to back up your claim? Plz provide a citation of some kind.
looseshengji 2 years ago
loosenoodles, i have no problem with what you just posted. however, this video is about east turkestan, the pla invasion of east turkestan and the military occupation and colonization, tantamount to genocide, of east turkestan. thus, i limited by oxymorons to the criminal corrupt nepotistic cpc china, inc., which only traitors to the chinese people defend.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
My simpleton friend, please note that the July riot was an unfortunate incident which started when a small group of Uyghurs attacked and killed innocent civilians. If you're saying that murdering innocent people is morally acceptable as long as there is a reason which appeals to you personally, you're a monster.
In my original comment, which you've read and replied, I was pointing out PB's methods of spreading his particular view point. Where did you get the idea that I was defending anything?
looseshengji 2 years ago
your mean oxymorons? like "peaceful liberation"?
"serf emancipation"? "tibtan chinese"? "harmonious" and anything to do with criminal corrupt nepotistic cpc mis-rule? "anti-imperial china"?
mispistoleros 2 years ago
A better list of examples would include "democratic/peaceful west", "hyphenated American/Canadian", and "Canadian goods". But yes, that's exactly what I meant.
My forgetful friend, you still haven't answer my question. The reason I ask that question is because if you're known as an idiot, your propaganda won't be taken seriously by your targets. If you knew X is illogical, then why did you choose to be known as an illogical idiot by using X intentionally? Is it a Canadian thing?
looseshengji 2 years ago
Why did you have to bring up the place of your birth?
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
Okay witch, you are next.
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
jianghuabackalive 2, how about we leave the wtiches alone and burn you?
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
meanwhile, another attack on algerian security forces, 11 killed. they'd just escorted chinese coolie labour back to their barracks. chinese labour in algeria are most likely, as in zambia and other african nations, serving prisons sentences and working on chinese mega-projects. beijing's loans to african nations are contingent upon chinese firms getting the contracts. these contracts are often at extremely inflated prices, which is at the heart of the present scandal in namibia.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
i'm aware of the inherent contradiction of my words.
BOYCOTT MADE in the CHINAZI SERFLORD EMPIRE
mispistoleros 2 years ago
My foolish friend, if you knew the two words can't coexist logically then why did you choose to be irrational?
Although slogans such as the one you've typed are trendy, it is not as effective as PB's propaganda. For an example if I scream: boycott Canadian goods, and the reason for my boycott is that Canadians don't wash their hands after using the toilet. My argument is logical, because no one wants anything made by filthy Canadians, but my propaganda will not be as effective as that of PB.
looseshengji 2 years ago
come on, loose, stop being so modest. you didn't need pb to teach you these things; thru cpc indoctrination, you know them inherently.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Oh no my poor misguided friend, I was not being modest. Of course, living in North America, I am familiar with these techniques of propaganda. I encounter them daily. But I've never seen anyone utilized them so perfectly. That's why PB is the one and only king of propaganda.
BTW, you might want to look up the words "indoctrination" and "inherently" in a dictionary. If a person knows X through indoctrination, that person cannot also inherently know X.
looseshengji 2 years ago
All hail the king, King PB!
Long live the king!
The king is in the house!
Sire may we be so worthy as to be in your company and lie within your shadow?
I come not to bury PB, but to praise him.
Long live the king, my liege PB!.
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
He is the king of propaganda, buster!
looseshengji 2 years ago
All hail and king, King PB and his court jester looseshengji, with their chamber pot jianghuabackalive2.
HearTheTruth 2 years ago
PB is the king of propaganda, I'm his student, you're a joke.
looseshengji 2 years ago
Dear PB, I want to thank you for teaching me something new in every one of your videos. In this video I learned that in order to turn a partially understood even into a piece of propaganda, 1) I must use my own preconception to make up rest of the story. 2) To achieve my propagandistic goal, I will tell my invention to as many people as I possibly can. 3) Lastly, in order to have the appearance of fairness, I will rationalize my fabrication by blaming my own action on someone/something else.
looseshengji 2 years ago
First time i actually see a crossbow being used in modern times hahahahahaha
foliage4 2 years ago
Still committing genocide upon tens of millions whore of Satan? repent to Christ before it is too late for you demonic genocidal tool or face eternal damnation in the blackness of darkness forever.
Tantoin 2 years ago
Demonic whore of Satan, why not go read the article to feed your satanic Maoist lusts of genocide and persecution.
Tantoin 2 years ago