Flotilla - The New War of Hamas, Media and World Incitement

[simplechocolatediet]

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[FatReleaseSystem]

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[abbienetvision]

Just so everyone knows, Hamas is still firing rockets and mortars daily into Israel proper. As a matter of fact, Hamas and Israel are again following a cease-fire, which has Hamas rockets and mortars daily coming into Israel, some killing, some injuring, some just doing damage, but ALL CAN BE DEADLY! Jan.8, 3 Thai workers were injured by rocket fire, one seriously!

Last week a kindergarten was hit, yesterday IDF Forces Prevented Terrorists from Planting Explosives near Gaza Strip Security Fence

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision

Just so everyone knows, Israel is still shooting at children playing inside Gaza. Even during cease-fires Israel continues to hit, injure and kill people inside Gaza. Hamas is trying to restrain Gazans from firing back but it is difficult to restrain parents of children hurt.

Israel, STOP SHOOTING CHILDREN! Congressman Brian Baird

watch?v=noTojOAAC8M

Hamas Official Calls for Vote on Any Peace Deal

WSJ

Jewish father urges dialog with Hamas foiled by Israel

aljazeera

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

You stupidity is overwhelming. What children have been shot lately and even prior to Israel removing unilaterally 9,000 Israelis who had farms, businesses and houses? I will tell you what was there, see old pics and see the beautiful houses and fields,see that family of 5 killed by your pali friends the month Israel pulled out of Gaza, see that hundreds of missiles had been fired into Israel prior to Israel taking any action,see that prior to the Gaza War, over 100 missiles a day came

[zacbouwens]

Uh, where were the guns? Wow, there were some pipes and knives. Who dropped down on the deck from the helicopter? Oh Israel would never attack a ship in international waters, oh wait, what about the USS Liberty? The western media here in the US is a religious slave to Israel, they stupid enough to think they need Israel to exist as a country for their Jesus to come back. Something to do with a blossoming olive tree putting forth fruits. Haha, the only blossom will be regional nukes. Take us too?

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

To begin with there was a gun, since the bullet was taken out of a body, which wasn't a bullet from the IDF. This was reported by the doctor in Turkey which did the autopsy. Think-why do human rights activists have pipes, illegal sling shots,etc?

Now again you start pulling at straws, the USS Liberty was an accident &misinformation passed. It was during a war and US shouldn't have had any ships in the area. You keep trying and losing, but all you have are your lies, so I get it!

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision I would assume they had pipes and slingshots for the same reason the activists on the "Whale wars" do. For harassment and defense. Sure, oops sorry for sinking your ship. Wow, a gun? Sure, it wasn't smart trying to ship in foods, but they seem desperate. What's the purpose of sealing off this tiny nation? Hope you didn't hurt your elbow patting yourself on the back for your response to my comment. Wish my country would cut it's aid off to Israel and Egypt (bribe money for peace)

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

Food? The flotilla didn't have food, and you can see that HAMAS DIDN'T LET EVEN 1 THING FROM THE FLOTILLA INTO GAZA.  Clearly there was nothing needed on the ship, except for pipes (for making weapons), slingshots (which are illegal in most of the western world, since they can kill), knives, guns or at least one gun. Why didn't Hamas accept the shipment, after the weapons were removed? If it was food and needed, wouldn't they have allowed it into Gaza, rather than sit in warehouses?

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision From the news that I've seen, the food that was on the ship was delivered under an agreement by Israel delivered by land. Dude, those pipes are useless against a well armed Israeli force, armored bulldozers, snipers, or military helicopters. None of those "weapons" are illegal here in my country, the USA. You seam to have the answers, what would resolve this conflict in this region? What would ease tension with the neighboring Muslim countries?

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

I have told you, HAMAS DID NOT ACCEPT EVEN ONE ITEM FROM THE FLOTILLA SHIPMENT!!! What do you not understand about that?

The pipes can make pipe bombs, which are most definitely illegal in the USA, but almost every gun, rifle, APG, etc is made from pipes! This is basic stuff, so come on.

Slingshots are illegal in many places, especially the kind that were on the flotilla, which can definitely kill a man if the shooter is good

Gaza goes back to Egypt and W.Bnk back to Jordan (pre-67)

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision The huffington post stated that "two pistols snatched from the troops" the guns were from the Israeli soldiers. The aid based on aljazeera's website was rejected because Israel wouldn't allow the building materials into Gaza. The ship "Rachel Corrie " was supposed to be apart of the fleet with the flotilla and it was escorted peacefully to Ashdod. I don't think the true intention of the attacked flotilla was for violence, time will tell if theres an international hearing.

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

The doctor that did the autopsy in Turkey said he found a shot from a gun which was not an IDF pistol.

Are you or Al-Jeezera claiming that the only supplies on the ship were building supplies, so that is why it was not accepted? Didn't you previously say it was food? Were the knives, slingshots, pipes, Molotov Cocktails, etc all for building?

The flotilla's intention was violence, or all aid would have gone to Ashdod, no weapons would have been onboard&noone would call for death

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision Sure pipes could be used for bombs, but standard pipes for rifle and APG barrels? That's silly. Why not just ship real weapons? Like AK's, grenades, RPG's, and real weapons? They were shipping tools, building supplies, and hospital aid items. Is it just me or is this just a rehash war between the Philistines (same geographic location as Gaza) and ancient Israel/Judah? Didn't God exile Israel? Could you show me where God invited the people back into the land textually?

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

Send weapons to Gaza? It had been tried many times, but the ships were captured and the weapons were removed. Hamas is at war with Israel, by their charter, under every law. That is why the siege is 100% legal!

G-d promised Abraham that he and his descendants would inherit the land of Israel, he only gave this land to the Jews, never any other group. The Promise that G-d made on Mount Sinai still holds.

Watch v=55GR84ITI6w learn the facts, biblical&legal

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision If that video is true, then there shouldn't be any problems with sovereignty in the world court, case closed. Sorry, I'm losing interest with a 44 year old bitter Jewish woman. I'll watch the view if I want to see a bitchy Jewish woman.

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

Figures for a person with the mentality of a 5 yr old, that your interest can only be long enough for a show of Sponge Bob, since even your first comment here had to do with some crap about whale wars, then about the flotilla food; not one comment with anything of substance, no facts, nothing but a moron posting mindless, off topic crap.

So do everyone that comes here a favor and the world and STFU and stop posting comments on vid which you clearly do not understand.You are an idiot!

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision Wow, a STFU? Woo, must have driven your estrogen through the roof. No, I just lost interest when I saw your petty comment about how fat Palestinian woman must be and how their asses are bigger then yours. Sorry if you thought I was getting off topic, thought I was staying with in the imaginary lines of the "debate". Oh Israeli Panel Finds Gaza Flotilla Raid Legal! Also Finds Gaza Blockade Legal, hahaha big surprise. Let me be the judge at my own trial and see my outcome, lol.

[abbienetvision]

@zacbouwens

Oh, you must just be a laughing hyena, even though a debate with the hyena would be much more informative than anything you have written or will every write. Are you going to go and rape your 5 yr old sister now to release stress or will you instead at least choose the camel or sheep

Let me say, that neither is acceptable in the west,but you wouldn't know that, since you are too busy reading the koran and too damaged due to inbreeding :0)

These are FACTS, and why Muslims are a bore

[zacbouwens]

@abbienetvision Your hysterical, your imagination must run wild when you think of stereotypes for groups of people. I'm not even Muslim, your so quick to stamp opposition with that stamp. Can't someone be apposed to the blockade and not be Muslim? Just plain sad.........

[saadasim]

Israel's Hypocrisy

Israel crossed a WORDWIDE blockade on APARTHEID South Africa to give it WEAPONS/TORTURE Equipment but complains when the WORLD wants to give FOOD/MEDICAL aid to impoverished Gazans?

Israel caused murder, destruction of property, kidnapping and destruction and with-holding of evidence.

And Israel is saying it was an act of self-defense?

Am I missing something here?

And US gives NA tionalistic ZI onists money why?

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Hamas is a terrorist organization, bent on Israel's destruction. The flotilla was not full of anything necessary, since if you look at the rest of my vids, you will find one on what happened to the medical supplies and other things in the shipment. Hamas never let any of the supplies enter Gaza. Most of the medicine was past expire date anyway, but Hamas NEVER ACCEPTED the aid.

I guess the only important things were the weapons, which were illegally on-board the flotilla

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision 1, Hamas is willing to live in peace with Israel. In fact it is Israel that breaks cease fires and attacks children inside Gaza.

2. Israel has blocked food items, school books and medical supplies to people of Gaza. An act which is illegal. Furthermore, Israel blocks Gazans to leave for medical reasons as well as Israel blocks Red Cross, Doctors without borders, etc from entering into Gaza.

3. Please name the weapons (apart from kitchen knives, etc ) that were on board.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

1.Are you ignorant! The Hamas Charter clearly calls for the destruction of Israel!! This is not even debatable, but more than that you watch "Hamas in their own voices" and see that Hamas plans on taking over the world. The ceasefire was broken also by Hamas.

2.Israel only blocked things which are used as weapons, not school books. Thousands of Gazans have been given free medical treatment in Israel, while renting to a Jew is illegal in Gaza.

3.Slingshots, pipes, knives(not kitchen)

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision

1. "Hamas plans on taking over the world." That's rich. Israel has 300 nukes. Hamas has slingshots, pipes, knives. Really!

2. Who cares what a piece of paper says. Look at the actions. Israel breaks ceasefires and attacks Gazans. People in Gaza get tired of that and may shoot back. Israel being the stronger force should stop shooting into Gaza.

3. Israel has blocked food, books, etc. and blocked Red Cross, Doctors without borders, etc from entering into Gaza.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

1.Lazy..Hamas in their own voices...v=i08L09V0_sg LISTEN &LEARN less than 3 minutes..don't deny truth here!

Hamas is just a puppet of Iran, you moron. They have loads of money and could easily buy food and make a country, if they wanted, but they prefer death. Of others and their own (paradise awaits)

2.The CHARTER states the goals of Hamas: who &what they are...duh!

3.Israel hasn't blocked humanitarian things, but metal pipes, illegal slingshots, and knives are not humanitarian.

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision Lazy and stupid:

Israel has blocked various food items like chocolate, jam, sage and books and crayons from coming into Gaza or allowing Gazans to leave for getting medical care abroad.

alternetXorg/world/147132/7_qu­estions_for_defenders_of_israe­ls_inhumane_siege_of_gaza?page­=entire

How Israel brought Gaza to humanitarian catastrophe

guardianXcoXuk/world/2009/jan/­07/gaza-israel-palestine

Israel denies medical teams, food supplies entry to Gaza

presstvXir/detailXaspx?id=8315­1

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

You couldn't even watch a 3 min vid..where Hamas says their plans...LAZY is an understatement! Stupid too, since you deny the truth, without even listening to Hamas themselves!

The truth is that Israel took over 9,000 Jews out of Gaza, in order for their to be peace. Gaza was full of fields and houses, which were all burnt. Hamas made the fields into a terrorist base, from which rockets were fired and still are to this day. The kids are taught to hate, to kill, to die for allah.

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision Lazy, Stupid & Wrong: You said that Israel hasn't blocked humanitarian things like books, crayons, food items, etc. That has proven to be wrong. Even the Israeli government admits that it has blocked those things. You deny what the Israeli government has already accepted.

So the question is why are you lying and not admitting what the Israeli government has already admitted?

[abbienetvision]

@sa

Nick Ferrari, one of Press TV's flagship presenters,quit his post last month in protest at the station's reporting of events in Tehran..was simply a mouthpiece of the Iranian government. "I imagine they've been told what to do," he said, "and I can't reconcile that with working there."

Press TV has never made any secret of its funding by the Iranian authorities,

Ofcom is currently investigating complaints that the station has failed .. to be accurate and impartial."

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision Lazy, Stupid, Wrong and Evil, I think you should get a special award.

1. I gave many sources, presstv was just one them.

2. Instead of responding to the message, you just go ahead and attack the messenger. Sounds familiar.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Your sources were all the same crap, not one that is reliable, but Iranian proxies, terrorist supporters, etc. How can you prove the holocaust was wrong by quoting Hitler, which is what you are doing here.

If the messenger has an angle and is not a messenger but a spreader of falsehoods, lies and propaganda, then his role as messenger is tainted. So if you want to carry a message, find reliable sources.

This is basic knowledge that I shouldn't have to write! DUH

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision

BBC, CNN, Wikipedia, Alternet and even Haaretz all agree with PressTV in that not only weapons were blocked by Israel but also food and agricultural items like chickens. But you have presented no evidence except your delusional thinking. Reality has a way of being Anti-Zionist. Admit that you were wrong and Israel was blocking more than weapons or be stubborn. The choice is yours.

[abbienetvision]

Another total lie...check the gov't website, prior to trying to write what the israeli gov't has said. See all the supplies that were given to Gaza, all the trucks, all the medical help. Here is the Israeli gov't on Gaza supplies:

posted in the last message..wouldn't let me put it here

"..humanitarian supplies entered Gaza from Israel ..equaling nearly a ton of aid for every man, woman, child in Gaza. "

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Now admit that YOU WERE WRONG..OR THAT YOU LIED!

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision I never said Israel didn't allow in some aid. And even a ton of aid every month or two month may not be enough. I simply said that Israel's blockade was not just about military weapons and I gave you the evidence which shows you were wrong. Now you go off on some other tangent.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Just a few comments down you wrote, :You said that Israel hasn't blocked humanitarian things like books, crayons, food items, etc. That has proven to be wrong. Even the Israeli government admits that it has blocked those things. You deny what the Israeli government has already accepted."

THAT IS A LIE & PROVEN BY THE ISRAELI GOV'T LINK I SENT! Get that?

A ton of aid for each family a month is not enough? Believe me the Israeli families have much less!

See Gaza w/hotels, food,lack nada

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision The fact that once in a blue moon, Israel allows a ton of aid in to be photographed does not deny the fact that Israel has blocked humanitarian things like books, crayons, food items at other times.

Yes, Gaza has hotels and malls but those are for NGO officials as Gazans have no work and therefore no money to buy anything. A lot of that is simple water. As I take a shower every day, I would use a ton every other day. I would rather believe what NGOs have to say about Gaza.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Aid is not sent "once in a blue moon" but in fact, more aid is sent to Gaza than any other place on the face of the earth. You are lacking facts, and spewing crap!

See Gaza 2011 v=HHBwE0cx5dQ

See all the fat ladies, the regular shoppers, the amusement part, the people all over, the full markets.

You believe NGOs since you prefer to demonize Israel than know the truth, very sad.

See loads of vids of Hamas using human shields, look at the NGO reports, not one case noted.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

There is no proof of anything that you wrote, your sources are all bs, flawed, bias. Wikipedia is not even a news source...you are really a moron, if you think it is. BBC is so bias that Israel doesn't get BBC anymore. Ha'aretz is known as a left-wing paper which prints lots of reports which are not true, for example, the Pali girl that died last week, who was reported in Ha'aretz as killed by tear gas, which was a fabricated story, same with Al-Dura, Janine Massacre, Gaza Bch Massa

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision BBC, NYT, Wikipedia, Haaretz, NGOs, etc. all which are saying the same thing are all flawed but your Israeli produced youtube propaganda pieces are to be taken at face value. Yeah, Right!

Israel Said It Would Keep Gaza Near Collapse: WikiLeaks

huffingtonpost, nyt, others.

UN Richard Falk: "Preventive action must be taken immediately to offset the persisting and wide-ranging violations of the fundamental human right to life and ... humanitarian catastrophe...

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Thanks for showing previously that you are full of shit. Saying the Israeli gov't admitted they wouldn't let in crayons and other things, to which was a complete fabrication, since nothing even close to that was said, but the opposite.

Now you again, put up a load of crap. I am sure you were too lazy to even watch the short vid, of which there are many here showing that Gaza has everything and the palis there are just a bunch of whinny babies, like you!

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision

Israel blocks pasta shipment to Gaza,

mcclatchydc!com/2009/02/25/627­97/israel-blocks-pasta-shipmen­t-to!html

Along with macaroni, Israel has prevented aid groups that are helping Gaza from sending in everything from paper and crayons to tomato paste and lentils.

I think Israel was afraid they would draw funny pictures of the IDF soldiers and they would feel embarrassed.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Let's begin with your total stupidity. The link you sent shows the date, which was Feb.2009, is this your proof? LOL

I don't even know the validity of that one article,but other great articles that you missed there:

"Egyptian official abducted in Gaza Strip"

"Clashes between Hamas, Fatah intensify in Gaza"

"Hamas member reveals details of attacks" -Roadside bombings on border

Now for some reality. Hamas is STILL firing rockets daily into Israel, last week a kindergarten was hit,

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision What is your issue with the date? It was before the Gaza flotilla attack and shows that Israel was blocking other things than just weapons which was my original assertion.

You don't show the links for the other articles so how do I know they are not just biased just like you say BBC, Wikipedia, youtube, New York Times, Haaretz, etc. are all biased according to you.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

WTF do whale wars have to do with terrorist groups killing women and kids at every chance they get.

Hamas is by their charter and their rocketry at war with Israel. How many countries do anything at all for their sworn, active enemies? This to my knowledge is the very first one in history

The flotilla did not have food,and in fact, Hamas didn't take even one thing from this shipment (see the vid on my channel) NOT 1 THING WAS LET INTO GAZA BY HAMAS! Nothing was necessary!!! Learn truth

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision

You had an issue with the date. What was the issue? Try not to digress by talking about whale wars, charter. Hamas, etc. Take some Ritalin if it helps.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Ritalin? LOL I am not hyper, do not suffer from any emotional problems or concentration problems. In fact, with an IQ of 140 and GPS in university of 3.85, so you may need pills, but you really should speak for yourself.

Who brought up whale wars? NOT ME!

HAMAS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ISRAEL, BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. Should the USA send food and products to Al-Quieda or Taliban? Israel is doing just that. Where else do countries feed their enemies who attack daily?

[saadasim]

@abbienetvision Sure, you don't suffer from emotional problems or concentration problems. But perhaps if you bothered to read you can see that i did not bring up "whale wars". YOU brought it up in our discussion. Yes, you are smart. Now be a good boy and take the nice pill.

Now, again: You had an issue with the date. What was the issue? Try not to digress by talking about whale wars, charter. Hamas, etc. Take some Ritalin if it helps.

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

Seems you cannot connect the dots. Again..the Hamas Charter says that the AIM OF HAMAS IS TO DESTROY ISRAEL & PUSH EVERY JEW INTO THE SEA.

Now let me try this question again? Who else sends aid and crayons to sworn enemies, which are accepted as "at war" with their provider?

What other country does that?Why do you think Israel MUST supply those that terrorize her daily and are at war with her w/crayons, pasta, toys, and I guess you probably believe guns should also be sent, right?

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

In the last month, there have been about 50 rockets and mortars fired into Israel from Gaza, but not one is even shown on your sites that you quote. Seems that you go out of your way to find news that is skewed to your personal bias, hatred of Israel!

Just in the first week of 2011, more than 10 rockets were fired, since then the rockets are almost daily, into Israeli cities. Civilians are theTARGETSof Hamas, women&kids mostly!Two weeks ago a school was hit, but you support terrorism?

[abbienetvision]

/ About+the+Ministry/ Behind+the+Headlines / Israeli_humanitarian_lifeline_­Gaza_25-May-2010. htm (remove spaces)

[abbienetvision]

@saadasim

As for the cease fire..here are the facts:

There were dozens of Hamas attacks, which "didn't break the cease-fire" but when Israel reacted, that is what broke it? Here are infractions of the "cease fire" prior to Israel's response:

Associated Press published on June 25, just after the truce started, and headlined Palestinian rockets threaten truce?

18 mortars were fired at Israel in this period, beginning on the night of 6/23

20 rockets were fired, beginning on6/24,3 hit israel

[EncompassedRunner]

propaganda incitement & revisionism war, exactly -- I like that your vid title zooms in on this, that is what the whole fake humanitarian flotilla & convoy stuff is all about, and the longer the world doesn't expose this for the ploy it is, the longer they'll keep attempting to pull this stunt

[Bashir474]

This is bullshit on top of bullshit

[ajmannn1]

TRUTH=

TURKISH-HAMAS=NAZIS= LIARS=ISLAMO=FASCIST=TERRORIST­S=TROUBLEMAKERS

[Musketnpistol]

@sajjadrana2 LOL Hamas has the backing of Iran and has all the money they need to buy explosives and assorted ammunition , but not enough to purchase food and meds for the people the lead??? LOL that is too damn funny!!!

[TheMissy911]

shut up old man...

[supatipanno]

@Groundex At this point Islam has ruined everything about the Middle East. Jews have turned Israel into the best thing happening in the region in spite of the best efforts of Muslims to destroy it. Muslims are jealous of Israel, because in the short period of time that the Jews have had a state again Israel has become the most progressive, advanced nation in the region. The Islamic world is retarded, because Islam retards free thought.

[nevernohijab]

There are Muslim activists on the one hand. On the other hand there are gullible leftist and green activists who haven't caught up yet who they side with.

A German MP was all flabbergasted that it was not treated nicely by the Israeli soldiers.

I mean: How naive can it get?

You come as enemies and risk fatal confrontation. And once that confrontation inevitably happens, you wanna get treated nicely...

[jojostudrock]

Israel must protect herself ,and I dont give a damn what the "World"thinks!

[abbienetvision]

The lies of the NY Times are showing exactly what type of "newspaper" they are running, it is not news, but lies and propaganda.

Boycott the NY Times, till they decide to print factual news, rather than bias, propaganda lies.

[DrBakshandeh]

@abbienetvision :)

[Vorushka01]

The barbarian Jihadists, there wasn't even one law of Geneva's Convention  they haven't violated! but that doesn't count as long as it is against Israel and/or Jews....