Nice drifting. I have a question. Does this car have the interior view or no? Thank you very much. Also, how many cars do have the interior view of the car? Thank you and keep up the good work.
your set up is 100% wrong keep spring rate stock to car roll bar keep stock to car camber 1.0 0.5 toe 0.00 0.15 back damper compression 1 the rest 10 lower car all the way hp 432 tires comfort hard breaks 6 6
@xninjazx6r@nvg911 would you two SHUT THE FUCK UP, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT LIVES GAMES ARE PART OF IT BECAUSE THEY FUCKING EXIST SO IF YOU WANT TO CHAT JUST FUCKING PM FAGGETS
i dont get whyy some ppl are talking with all this hatee on here, just cuz u guys are jealous of wat he can do doesnt mean uu hav to start making comments like "fag" and "get a life" dont trash talkk just cuz he can do somthing that uu cant, it just makes urself look dumb.
@xninjazx6r not always, everyone has a life thats why they are alive. I'm 13 and i'm always at school trying to help my teachers and i need to w8 till I get a car to drift for real thats why I play this game
@xninjazx6r do you have to know everything man? by different lives its like someone likes her and you dont , somethin like that his rich im not. My mom is a teacher i need to help her to get my allowance
@xninjazx6r Im not what you think I am, I do it for the money. So I can buy games and play them when I have nothing to do, and some people gets rich just because they do those things , are they losers?? I think not
@guitardude4lyfe Hard braking usually will get u drifting, however, i would recommend the e-brake at slow speeds to flick out the rear and apply alot of power to keep the slide straight and not spin out. (Add K7842)
how do u turn off the steering wheels automatic resistance...its damn near impossible to drift when the wheel wants to turn back to its middle position..help me plz!!
I seriously do not get this...i was pretty good with controller got steering wheel and now i just can not control the car at all spins out everytime i get quite pissed off.
@MarTin3Z420 damn your answer to foxbody77 was pretty shitty man. you sound like an angry person or something. he shouldn't be on youtube blabbing telling people how to do what there already doing also lol.
@TheAmericanUhate im mad at dumb people who think they knoiw what they are talking about but actually have no clue...he thinks hes giving me advice but he dosent know that changing the wheel option from amateur to professionnal only affects the super old and cheap 270 degree wheels and not the 900 degree wheels...and hes like change this because thats what i do man fuck this noob
@MarTin3Z420 Lmao yeah I would have prob said the same if he came to my own video and told me I did it wrong cause it wasn't how he did it. He sounded kinda young from how he worded his comment lol.... damn kids these days! Nice drifting also man. I know it's shit tons harder to do then it looks.
@FoxBody77 man your so dumb, just go in the options and then go at the steering option, then look at the picture of the wheels on top, then select amateur and you will see only the old wheel models highlighted, the wheels without 900degrees...then go on the force feedback selection and you will see only the good wheel highlighed on top , that means that to adjust the old wheels you choose between amateur and pro and for the new wheels you simply adjust the strenght of the force feedback
@FoxBody77 and i never said it was easy its very hard...you can actually see the wheels get higlighted in my video right here...hope your smart enough to understand what i mean and how it works
@sclouddrummer007 i dont like it easy so i use simulation , but easy gives better control and longer drifts after u get use to it . what wheel r u using ?
yea after i posted that comment a day later i fugre out how to drift :) i can drift with my steering wheel cuz it very difficult but controller is wayy easyer
@Remix350 do NOT buy GT5p cuz thats just the demo bascially GT5 is the orginal FULL game 10x better..GT5p came out i think around 2008 and GT5 came out 2010..basically GT5p its just a demo for hardcore fans so they can know whats GT5 guna taste like when it comes out.witch it did(GT5)
@lonewalkerslayer Yes it has a clutch button, you can drift by using a flick, the handbrake, or the clutch button. I can drift with the controller but it does work better with a 900 degree wheel since you can steer left and right much further than the controller will allow
@Einhander1988 GT5 is going to be released 24th november (hopefully). So if you're about to buy GT5P. I would w8 for the full game release.
And GT series are more like car simulators than games. So it makes it more realistic. And to get the full experience of the game you probably want to get a steering wheel :)
hey, i have a DFGT but i don't know how to change the rotation to 900 degree. I hear that it is not possible on GTP. If so, can i still drift without the 900 degrees set up?
@327yellow Yea a little off I have a 1994 Mustang 5.0 that i race. Close to a Geo but a little bit different. plus ur comment makes no sence at all like not even a little bit u made urself sound half retarded even saying that
@327yellow just stick to playing ur video games cause i doubt u can drive in real life at all ur probabaly some cockey 14 year old who has never driven a real car before
@mynameisray man, you have mind problem don't you... if you are saying GT5 is the worst drifting game and it has really bad physics, the world famous driver will not be playing it anymore, and also it is "THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR" !! Please think before you post. If it is so, what else racing game can be better than this ?
Damn nice drifting going rate this all star. :) how much was the wheel?
james1234562901 4 days ago
how do u get the perfect angle and then hold it there???
MrTigers6423 4 weeks ago
whats that sound. it sounds like a seatbelt
Twitticus 2 months ago
@Twitticus Its the steering wheel
iliveonjupiter 1 month ago
Cool tutorial dude. Loved the slow motion part, I think it will help me a lot !
albert8721 3 months ago
Ill kick his ass using the analog cotroller
Culebraondemand 4 months ago
YOU ARE AWESOME DRIFTER !!!
KEEP UP !!!
magicah2011 4 months ago
ZUERA
ESSE CARA NAO E MUITO BOM
MrRiroto 4 months ago
VERY HELL
MrRiroto 4 months ago
Do you use HandBrake at all? thanks.
xander9xx 5 months ago
virgin
ThatKidDied 5 months ago
Awesome
SuperSuperboy2 5 months ago
ok drft is nisc
zombiekiller1237 6 months ago
Beautiful
Skilledman89 6 months ago
Nice drifting. I have a question. Does this car have the interior view or no? Thank you very much. Also, how many cars do have the interior view of the car? Thank you and keep up the good work.
XXXCompAssesXXX 6 months ago 4
@XXXCompAssesXXX its prologue and since it doesnt have that much cars in it as opposed to gt5, all cars have an interior view
iRuss876 5 months ago
My last name is Martin
BurningOrangePixel 6 months ago
What Logitech Wheel Are You Using?
johnmabida 6 months ago
@johnmabida he's using a driving force pro (dfp)
otacon1000 6 months ago
@johnmabida im a virgin wheel
ThatKidDied 5 months ago
What is the model of the wheel you are using?
johnmabida 6 months ago
dude, your good
SLASHtheROCKGOD 6 months ago
your set up is 100% wrong keep spring rate stock to car roll bar keep stock to car camber 1.0 0.5 toe 0.00 0.15 back damper compression 1 the rest 10 lower car all the way hp 432 tires comfort hard breaks 6 6
1farmeagle1 6 months ago
next time dont title this "tutorial" when your not teaching anyone how to drift
hondahoss17 7 months ago
@hondahoss17 learn how to observe, look at the accel/brake meter and his angle.. cmon now, i learned from this
fuckthewmg1 6 months ago
how is this possible gran turismo came in store in year 2010-11 and hes video was on 2008
zeste1234 8 months ago
@zeste1234 this is prologue version i.e. the demo with around 70 cars and less tracks
whowanderz 7 months ago
@zeste1234 gran turismo 5 prolouge
stinngs120 7 months ago
@zeste1234 prologue comes before a full gran turismo.. its basically a beta
eddied96 6 months ago
This setup menu is so much better than GT5.
ADSHQ 8 months ago
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@xninjazx6r @nvg911 would you two SHUT THE FUCK UP, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT LIVES GAMES ARE PART OF IT BECAUSE THEY FUCKING EXIST SO IF YOU WANT TO CHAT JUST FUCKING PM FAGGETS
xAgentHuntx 8 months ago
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xAgentHuntx 8 months ago
why i can't find that option in prologue? do u have to finish races first?
nvg911 8 months ago
scandinavian flick sweet
polopowered 8 months ago
Nice driving. How long it took you before you could do it like that? I was in 7th heaven when I finally made 10.000 points drift trophy in GT5
Kru93r 8 months ago
Hav u ever thought of going pro? Like real life drift tournaments. U hav the potential
TrinidadSouljaX1 8 months ago
someone should make a tut. for controller :p
1ssi7h 8 months ago
i dont get whyy some ppl are talking with all this hatee on here, just cuz u guys are jealous of wat he can do doesnt mean uu hav to start making comments like "fag" and "get a life" dont trash talkk just cuz he can do somthing that uu cant, it just makes urself look dumb.
u got great skill drifter boy
xXwhat1100Xx 9 months ago 23
@xXwhat1100Xx i agree and he maid me beter at drifting 2 by watching this vid =D thanks man
BILLSTA131 8 months ago
@xXwhat1100Xx
Yeah, its like "get a life and watch other people performing drift on youtube like I do" :-p
albert8721 3 months ago
all u ppl need to get lif and drift in real life
xninjazx6r 9 months ago
@xninjazx6r u get a life its just a game
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 y u play games? u need a life instead of a game
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r not always, everyone has a life thats why they are alive. I'm 13 and i'm always at school trying to help my teachers and i need to w8 till I get a car to drift for real thats why I play this game
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 u help your teachers with what?
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r we do signs and activities to help nature like plant more trees, dont litter and stuff. Do you need to know everything?
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 lol wtf yo, u such a looser, what r u? a teachers pet? when im with my teachers i never help them, i cause them trouble
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r I needed extra credit so I can get money, I do it for the money im not a teachers pet
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 how do you get money from extra credit?
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r I ask my teachers, I want them to like me (like a student) so when I ask they give. Everyone has different lives
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 why would ur teachers give you money? thats not right, are you hiding something? and what exactly do you mean by different lives
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r do you have to know everything man? by different lives its like someone likes her and you dont , somethin like that his rich im not. My mom is a teacher i need to help her to get my allowance
nvg911 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r sometimes my other teachers give me too, i dont know why
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 what do these teachers do to do? anything you dont like?
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r I dont kno
nvg911 8 months ago
@nvg911 u can tell me anything
xninjazx6r 8 months ago
@xninjazx6r Im not what you think I am, I do it for the money. So I can buy games and play them when I have nothing to do, and some people gets rich just because they do those things , are they losers?? I think not
nvg911 8 months ago
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xAgentHuntx 8 months ago
very good driftman....
vagelisp 10 months ago
i like it, you are a very nice racer
ZaMuEl66 10 months ago
i like it, you are a very good racer!!!!
ZaMuEl66 10 months ago
All this video needs is some Super Eurobeat pumping out some RUNNING IN THE 90s!!!!
Afk4life8 10 months ago
it would be cool to drive on the top gear track in fr eestyle modus ^^
JJTheBigDog 10 months ago
Do this in a real car FagWank
gaz696968 11 months ago
Di this in a real car fag
gaz696968 11 months ago
Are u usin the Handbrake/E-Brake or just lettin go of accelleration?
slakyboy727 11 months ago
great video
annivas1 1 year ago
mit lenkrad bockts ^^ mit kontroller.. dazu sag ich nur oohh gott :D
polskax94 1 year ago
do u use the handbrake and if so when?
cheeseNham27 1 year ago
@cheeseNham27
You should always use handbrakes when drifting. :D
Drifting IS the use of handbrake.
cifeso 1 year ago
I need help. whenever i drift it slides me off the track
prkr5885 1 year ago
@prkr5885 If u wanna hand add K7842 and he'll give u a few tips.
TheVideoFly 1 year ago
well done
lubejob55 1 year ago
\/ there is
XscXps3 1 year ago
WHY THE HELL IS NOT THAT OPTIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF AVAILABLE IN THE REAL GT5?????????????
playstation3owns 1 year ago 27
@playstation3owns
Because GT5p was a waste of money, tricking people into paying $40 for a demo. ;P
cifeso 1 year ago
@playstation3owns go to settings before the race its all there and more
normalguyhere 11 months ago
@normalguyhere no not the quick tune
playstation3owns 11 months ago
@playstation3owns its prologue idiot
just like gt4
robertstojs 11 months ago
@playstation3owns it is....go to tuning in your garage....
oaeproductions 9 months ago
@playstation3owns see the options buddy !!!
danzigloco 7 months ago
@playstation3owns You have those options in GT5 too but that for mechanics who work with cars ;P
iegemboy 5 months ago
yow are you hand brake gr8 vid :)
5620854 1 year ago
Are you hitting the E-brake at all in this?
guitardude4lyfe 1 year ago
@guitardude4lyfe Hard braking usually will get u drifting, however, i would recommend the e-brake at slow speeds to flick out the rear and apply alot of power to keep the slide straight and not spin out. (Add K7842)
TheVideoFly 1 year ago
real drifters can definitely appreciate this.. i just found out about this but it seems pretty close to actual physics
NismoZRS 1 year ago
do you use the handbrake?
akel1984 1 year ago
hey man when ever i counter steer i go into the wall got any tips please
sacrifcialgoat 1 year ago
awesome drifting skills!!!!!
HunteRFreaK5 1 year ago
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sacrifcialgoat 1 year ago
That's GT4 prologue mateey;)
DecoShen 1 year ago
ur a twat. people can drift without selecting the drifting race u fucking gooon!!!!!!!
MrLampost123 1 year ago
the god damn car always spins out when i do it, do u have any tips on tecnique...
GinoJerry86 1 year ago
how do u turn off the steering wheels automatic resistance...its damn near impossible to drift when the wheel wants to turn back to its middle position..help me plz!!
TeflonDon204 1 year ago
@TeflonDon204 Options > ur steering wheel make > resistance.
TheVideoFly 1 year ago
I seriously do not get this...i was pretty good with controller got steering wheel and now i just can not control the car at all spins out everytime i get quite pissed off.
how the fuck do you do it?!
Jameziiboii 1 year ago
@Jameziiboii welcome to my life lmao
videogaminbiker889 1 year ago
@videogaminbiker889 so im not the only one haha
Jameziiboii 1 year ago
LOL
i just can't help but laugh at "mynameisray"
sparkylad101 1 year ago
I like it when he's feinting early in 2:40. Btw nice smooth drift man!
lukemorron 1 year ago
is the wheel really that noisy?
everythingistakin1 1 year ago
@everythingistakin1
well you wouldnt necessarily be able to hear it if you had your volume higher
sparkylad101 1 year ago
@everythingistakin1 yah it is
TeflonDon204 1 year ago
@PINGsomeness i do it whitout brakes
ivanelbruto 1 year ago
Omg Great vid :D could u make a vid with the best cars in the GT5 :P
denniiiz97 1 year ago
FUUCCKKIIINNNN SIICKK DRIFTIN MAN
NOW LETS SEE IF U CAN DO IT IN REAL LIFE :)
hyekakanapero 1 year ago
@hyekakanapero uuuhhh.......lol.......
videogaminbiker889 1 year ago
Are those slot cars in bg?
prkr5885 1 year ago
loving the setup <3
cronaldozzidane 1 year ago
THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MY CAR MINUS THE ANTENNA.
ducksseason 1 year ago
check my drifing on my channel. GT5 s13.sick!
dmoney5157 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420
can you recommend any good driving simulators for pc?
i have a racing force gt and i don't wanna spend 350€ for a ps3>5 just to find out that racing simulations are not my thing.
Skipan2 1 year ago
Can this game help me learn how to drive in real life? It wont be long before I start drivers Ed and I want to know if it will help me out.
Ignore14 1 year ago
Awesome help mate.
I have a 1080p tv but no steering wheel cause I've no practical place to put the wheel.
unless I could bolt it to my knees lol. but seriously it makes me sad.
4ntiMatteR 1 year ago
wow you are good, do u drift IRL? and if you do how realistic do you think the physics are? (FOR DRIFTING)
raketenDK 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 damn your answer to foxbody77 was pretty shitty man. you sound like an angry person or something. he shouldn't be on youtube blabbing telling people how to do what there already doing also lol.
TheAmericanUhate 1 year ago
@TheAmericanUhate im mad at dumb people who think they knoiw what they are talking about but actually have no clue...he thinks hes giving me advice but he dosent know that changing the wheel option from amateur to professionnal only affects the super old and cheap 270 degree wheels and not the 900 degree wheels...and hes like change this because thats what i do man fuck this noob
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 Lmao yeah I would have prob said the same if he came to my own video and told me I did it wrong cause it wasn't how he did it. He sounded kinda young from how he worded his comment lol.... damn kids these days! Nice drifting also man. I know it's shit tons harder to do then it looks.
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ugliestalmanac4 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 How not? And what's with the nasty comment? I've drifted with you before and I thought you used professional settings...Sorry.
FoxBody77 1 year ago
why are your wheel set to amateur?
SIIMPAA 1 year ago
@SIIMPAA cause it dosent mather
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 is there a difference between amateur and professional?
Ignore14 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 Try it on simulation, and then say it doesn't matter. I tried it on amateur, and the steering was much smoother.
FoxBody77 1 year ago
@FoxBody77 thats because you have the shittiest steering wheel that is 10 years old and that aint 900 degrees
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 I have a driving force GT.
FoxBody77 1 year ago
@FoxBody77 then your just stupid
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@MarTin3Z420 Post videos up with you driving on simulation...Then tell me I'm stupid. It wont be as easy I can guarantee you that.
FoxBody77 1 year ago
@FoxBody77 man your so dumb, just go in the options and then go at the steering option, then look at the picture of the wheels on top, then select amateur and you will see only the old wheel models highlighted, the wheels without 900degrees...then go on the force feedback selection and you will see only the good wheel highlighed on top , that means that to adjust the old wheels you choose between amateur and pro and for the new wheels you simply adjust the strenght of the force feedback
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@FoxBody77 and i never said it was easy its very hard...you can actually see the wheels get higlighted in my video right here...hope your smart enough to understand what i mean and how it works
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
@SIIMPAA Its easier thats why
workshop77777 1 year ago
Whatttt??? I didn't know whenever you drifted your steering settings were on amatuer...Use proffessional. That's what I use ;)
FoxBody77 1 year ago
can you do a tutorial of the drift settings in Gran Turismo 5 not prolouge?
HazyChestNutz 1 year ago
do you have to use a wheel or can you just use your controler?
jellybean3264 1 year ago
can you only drift in GT5 drift competition or test? because i can never drift in normal race. I always end up 0KM/h
HugeDeek 1 year ago
so... how do u drift?
sclouddrummer007 1 year ago
@sclouddrummer007 if u use steering wheel go to settings and chose amateur or professional, drifting becomes very easy
Michaelswk93 1 year ago
@Michaelswk93 which ones better?
sclouddrummer007 1 year ago
@sclouddrummer007 i dont like it easy so i use simulation , but easy gives better control and longer drifts after u get use to it . what wheel r u using ?
Michaelswk93 1 year ago
looks so easy
BlooDish14 1 year ago
would an s2000 produce similar results? I like that car more and it'd be great if i could do this stuff with it XD
AznfoboiXO 1 year ago
can u make a turoial for the real GT5 not the GT5p please it will be helpful
DanielJM29 1 year ago 54
@DanielJM29 its the same thing when it comes to drifting mate :)
teknoplayer 1 year ago
@teknoplayer
yea after i posted that comment a day later i fugre out how to drift :) i can drift with my steering wheel cuz it very difficult but controller is wayy easyer
DanielJM29 1 year ago
@DanielJM29 what the differnce between the two? i hav't bot the game yet and the gt5p is much cheaper so i was just wondering
Remix350 1 year ago
@Remix350 do NOT buy GT5p cuz thats just the demo bascially GT5 is the orginal FULL game 10x better..GT5p came out i think around 2008 and GT5 came out 2010..basically GT5p its just a demo for hardcore fans so they can know whats GT5 guna taste like when it comes out.witch it did(GT5)
DanielJM29 1 year ago
@DanielJM29 Thank You Very Much!
Remix350 1 year ago
what kind of wheel do you have
sacrifcialgoat 1 year ago
@sacrifcialgoat He has th Driving force pro
teknoplayer 1 year ago
Ojo Gammm vaya agarrando volados!!!
eguillenv 1 year ago
l dont have the qucik tune menu yyy
turkishsoldierbaran 1 year ago
nice man. GT5 RULES !!! ;)
erotagitsaC 1 year ago
what size tv is that?
btw sick drift
n9athan 1 year ago
Nice nice nice
alfaalex101 1 year ago
I haven't played Gran Turismo since it's PSX releases and the last racing game I bought is Forza3. Does GT5 have a clutch button like in Forza3?
lonewalkerslayer 1 year ago
@lonewalkerslayer Yes it has a clutch button, you can drift by using a flick, the handbrake, or the clutch button. I can drift with the controller but it does work better with a 900 degree wheel since you can steer left and right much further than the controller will allow
327yellow 1 year ago
awww. i have to finish getting my A liscense before i can quicktune.
laserbeak43 1 year ago
@Einhander1988 GT5 is going to be released 24th november (hopefully). So if you're about to buy GT5P. I would w8 for the full game release.
And GT series are more like car simulators than games. So it makes it more realistic. And to get the full experience of the game you probably want to get a steering wheel :)
SotaNakki 1 year ago
MarTin, is the wheel ur using originally released on the PS2?
khmergod 1 year ago
Should I buy the DFP wheel which would cost me about 60USD or should i get an DFGT? :o
SotaNakki 1 year ago
@SotaNakki DFGT, I got mine refurbished on ebay for $80
327yellow 1 year ago
@327yellow same
MarTin3Z420 1 year ago
Martin, Can you give me your car settings for TVR Tamora? If you want give me you can sent it in mail.
My e-mail: szymekq12@gmail.com
Thanks
szymekq12 1 year ago
your drifting is excellent
xbox45ful 1 year ago
hey, i have a DFGT but i don't know how to change the rotation to 900 degree. I hear that it is not possible on GTP. If so, can i still drift without the 900 degrees set up?
fastsg23 1 year ago
its easier to drift my car in real life than it is in gt5
FreeSkier155 1 year ago
@FreeSkier155 sorry your 1992 Geo Metro isn't in GT5 :(
327yellow 1 year ago
@327yellow Yea a little off I have a 1994 Mustang 5.0 that i race. Close to a Geo but a little bit different. plus ur comment makes no sence at all like not even a little bit u made urself sound half retarded even saying that
FreeSkier155 1 year ago
@FreeSkier155 yes I think 94 Mustangs came with a 1.2L so you're right it is close
327yellow 1 year ago
@327yellow just stick to playing ur video games cause i doubt u can drive in real life at all ur probabaly some cockey 14 year old who has never driven a real car before
FreeSkier155 1 year ago
@FreeSkier155 what no response
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UpYerBallix 1 year ago
GT5? best racing game till GT6 man!
klucha2008 1 year ago
@klucha2008 lol GT6 wont come out in another 6-7 years... u mean gt5p best till gt5 comes out?
TheSoulessPhoenix 1 year ago
wow impressive, i cant do more than 11K on that track, but u use a normal controller. and use an M3.... so yeah im impressed, nice job.
mace2142 1 year ago
@mynameisray man, you have mind problem don't you... if you are saying GT5 is the worst drifting game and it has really bad physics, the world famous driver will not be playing it anymore, and also it is "THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR" !! Please think before you post. If it is so, what else racing game can be better than this ?
DFFans 1 year ago 10
@DFFans You're either trolling, or the biggest retard ever...
feAr636 1 year ago
@DFFans the best racing game is need for speed underground.
WhatsGoodify 1 year ago
@WhatsGoodify that's entirely subjective. while underground is one of my favorites, it's mostly for the nostalgia.
Ignore14 1 year ago