@MZITinfo there was a storyline in new japan pro wrestling i think,that was exactly like nwo a large faction that had a so called civil war with the actual company.
I like the guy, he hits fast and clean and gets to the important stuff. Also like to say thanks for your videos. Being off work sucks but your OTR vids are great. If you have any more get em all up.
@kallistobone I have no more I think almost all of them are online though I've even seen the old Bret Hart one from 1997 a month after the Montreal Screwjob on Youtube!
I ALWAYS liked Wrestlers Like Jericho , Angle and so on who WERE NOT afraid to say what they Thought no matter what Mcmahon or WWE thought about. that is being a strong willed personunlike wrestlers Like Cena.HHHThe rock those Guys Kiss ass and would NEVER say something Like Jericho said Ecpecially their tim asWORLD CHAMP!!... this is what make jeircho a cool person and a cool wrestler he just a great honest guy... no bs Bo sucking up... i bet if Jericho did suck up he woulda had more titles//
it was a FUCKIN SIN!!! HAVING JERICHO DROP THE BELT TO hhh AT MANIA.... SURE hHH is great as well but had so many title chances already in his career Jericho ONLY held the title for two months or so and then HHH wins rumble and they have him RIp the Belt away from Jeirhco i was Pissed... BUT tHEIR YA have it again HHH backstage ass kissing helps him overrule.... HHH is great wrestler and all BUT their is NO denying he has had his Hands i Vinces pants ALOT... WITH THE backstage Politic shit.. :(
EVERY SINGLE TIME a WCW guy is interviewed about WCW, they ALL use the same phrase.
"The inmates were ruling the asylum."
I never liked WCW back then, but watching it now and knowing all of the behind the scenes stuff is so fascinating to me. Jerhico is a legend. One of the greatest in ring performers and a personality to boot.
jericho is literally the best wrestler and most entertaining guy in the business, ive enjoyed this interview more than most of the matches ive seen recently
Chris Jericho was not only one of the great wreslters and mic workers with outstanding charisma, but he's really an intelligent person. I love listening to his interviews and shoots.
From what Chris said, Jeff knows how to draw in the crowds. He was young back then, 22-23 but he knows that in this business, you got to get noticed to stay on top and he sacrifices his body to achieve that. I have nothing but admiration for him!
i love Chris Jericho, def a fav of mine but he's not 6 ft tall. Of course he can't say how tall he really is until long after he retires, but thats why many wrestlers who aren't tall admire him!
cmon its a joke vince wants 6,3 or 6,5 i mean is vince full of shitt cus i bet n real life alot of the wrestlers are like 5,9 5,5,6 an 5;11 thats just my opin
He also likes to have the "All-American" wrestler to be on top I don't know why but he always seems to shove it in people's faces that's why I thought it was a great idea when Kurt Angle first became champion everyone hated him even though he was trying to act like the perfect American hero and annoying people. What I think Jack Swagger is is the exact image Vince McMahon wants as his champion.
I wish there was another great show with interviews in depth with wrestlers but with A DIFFERENT HOST/INTERVIEWER, for christ sake its sooo F'N annoying to hear this asshole never let anyone finnish one goddamn thought b4 he asks another damn question!
He can't let the guys he's interviewing ramble on forever this is a TV SHOW with commercials? hello? They have a time limit to get as much out of the people as they can Michael Landsberg does the best he can without wasting anyone's breath before they hit to commercials or before the show ends its always Americans that complain because its you guys that don't realize THIS IS A TV SHOW ON CANADA'S TOP SPORTS NETWORK he gets a half an hour time slot to get whatever he can out of it
Oh yeah, Dean Malenko sure accomplished a lot in WWE. Jobbing to Chyna, becoming the lightheavyweight champion (a worthless title), uhh anything else? And Big Show? WCW pushed him to the moon and became world heavyweight champion by beating Ric Flair. He then became eventually nothing in WWE by the year 2001.
God DAMMIT Landsberg let him finish speaking. I hate that motherfucker so bad. Ask a question, let them finish...then ask another question. It's the basics of being a talk show host. This douche loves to hear himself talk more than listening to the god damn talent he's interviewing. I want to hear Jericho's responses a lot more than I want to hear your dipshit questions and interruptions.
For years I was proud of Triple H's performance the first time he tore his quad. But after watching this, Chris Jericho deserves at least half of the credit. Both wrestlers are my favorite and both are still doing it in 2010!
Jericho is simply the greatest there's ever been. Of course, many would disagree because he's never been given the respect he deserves. But he's exactly right about everything he said here, and it still stands today.
Been a Jerichoholic since before his cruiserweight days in WCW. In fact, I didn't watch WCW very much, except to watch Jericho. I liked WWF more, and was ecstatic to see him go to New York. I have his book and have read it several times (btw, he said that he has already written some of his next book, which picks up from right when he joined the WWF). Jericho is one of the few that could lose every single match for a year, then grab the belt, and everyone would buy it.
He used his real name Paul Levesque in his WCW days but brought that same "Blueblood" character into WWE in 1995 and used the name Hunter Hurst Helmsley.
chris had a point, jericho, dean malenko, benoit, guerrero, austin, mankind, hhh, and even guys like kevin nash and scott hall got over in wwe and were top talent befoe they jumped back to wcw!!! damn eric bischoff sucks
Every idiot who disses wrestling cuz its "fake" and says that wrestlers hav it so easy cuz its "fake" needs to watch those 17 seconds. i've never heard anyone give such a good defense to wrestling.
I've never heard of him either just because Landsberg doesn't know who he his your saying he's disrespecting him why would he even watch Japanese wrestling? At least he didn't mispronounce his name
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
ignorance is not an excuse, idiot
if you're too STUPID to know who Hayabusa is, or any other legendary wrestlers, find INFORMATION on them and educate yourself before you start getting all defensive.
Because I don't know who Hayabusa is I'm stupid? So if a scientist or a paleontologist don't know who Hayabusa is I guess then their stupid and your smart? Educate myself? Apparently after knowing about Japanese wrestling it will help me cope with the world, ya right. I don't care about Japanese wrestling if you do that is fine but quit acting like a little kid because very few North Americans watch it or care about it.
@mothercanuckers Very few north Americans watch it? That was never true, and with the wrestling state being as stagnant as it is I bet more north Americans watch japan wrestling than ever.
I've heard the name Hayabusa but in reality, I don't give a shit about some of that crazy Japanese deathmatch stuff. Their style isn't the type I enjoy, and that's the same for other people too. Doesn't make us stupid, just makes you an ignorant "fan" with too much time on his hands and no real life to speak of.
Go back to your mother's basement...I mean, cave, troll.
@cloudyravengrave No, but he still established himself as a WWE Main Event (Cashcow),
Have you seen all those kids with Hardy shirts and the armthingies and stuff.
Thats why they put him to the top. He sold tons of merchandise and draws whole families to the arenas, and that what the WWE is all about... exploitation.
honest stuff..which you don't get out of most of the wrestlers...Jericho described WCW as evil and no wonder why they collapsed..but he also said that once they Bishcoff and Hogan came to WWE,they were all cool and all changed so yea pretty weird.
wrestling has evolved..it's not about being big guy..it's about entertainment..For me Jericho is the best wrestler right now..just hurts and people say he's not enough!!
what idea did bischoff steal. I am pretty sure the nwo was stolen by japan and not the other way around. I read on wikipedia that he was somehow came upt with the idae after watching an njpw show. anyone out their able to enlighten me?
Its not the "nWo" its the whole idea of an invasion that Bischoff stole obviously the nWo name was from WCW but the idea was from Japan and since Jericho wrestled in Japan I take his word for it. I've also heard another wrestler make the same claim but I forgot who.
i believe that Jericho was involved in the invasion angle which bischoff stole from Japan. I think he mentioned it in his book. Now i'm not 100% given that i read it over a year ago but thats my current assumption.
eric states in his book that he did get the idea from japan...........and please don't take this as a shot at you but wikipedia is not a credible source for information
Jericho's always been the man.
BlackSabbathory 3 weeks ago
what did he mean when he said bischoff was successful with one idea that he stole from japan?
MZITinfo 3 months ago
@MZITinfo there was a storyline in new japan pro wrestling i think,that was exactly like nwo a large faction that had a so called civil war with the actual company.
TheShakiebreaks 1 month ago
2.26 jericho says he is 6 feet tall 230 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal.
richman6290 4 months ago
Funny thing is Bishoff started working with WWE right after
HitmanEF 4 months ago
I like the guy, he hits fast and clean and gets to the important stuff. Also like to say thanks for your videos. Being off work sucks but your OTR vids are great. If you have any more get em all up.
kallistobone 4 months ago
@kallistobone I have no more I think almost all of them are online though I've even seen the old Bret Hart one from 1997 a month after the Montreal Screwjob on Youtube!
mothercanuckers 4 months ago
I wonder if Jericho comment about Vince cause him to lose his main event spot for the next 3 years.
JMC47000 5 months ago
Lol, I hope all the Triple H "marry the bosses daughter" haters see this.
hazardouzCup 6 months ago
Host: Chris Jericho is back home, he is in Canada, he is in Toronto...
Jericho: I am from Winnipeg you idiot!
xD
MrImpactPlayer 7 months ago 2
I ALWAYS liked Wrestlers Like Jericho , Angle and so on who WERE NOT afraid to say what they Thought no matter what Mcmahon or WWE thought about. that is being a strong willed personunlike wrestlers Like Cena.HHHThe rock those Guys Kiss ass and would NEVER say something Like Jericho said Ecpecially their tim asWORLD CHAMP!!... this is what make jeircho a cool person and a cool wrestler he just a great honest guy... no bs Bo sucking up... i bet if Jericho did suck up he woulda had more titles//
jerichorocker1234 7 months ago
Jericho = Great wrestler, great entertainer, total Package
IN MY TOP TEN ALL TIME......
jerichorocker1234 7 months ago
it was a FUCKIN SIN!!! HAVING JERICHO DROP THE BELT TO hhh AT MANIA.... SURE hHH is great as well but had so many title chances already in his career Jericho ONLY held the title for two months or so and then HHH wins rumble and they have him RIp the Belt away from Jeirhco i was Pissed... BUT tHEIR YA have it again HHH backstage ass kissing helps him overrule.... HHH is great wrestler and all BUT their is NO denying he has had his Hands i Vinces pants ALOT... WITH THE backstage Politic shit.. :(
jerichorocker1234 7 months ago
EVERY SINGLE TIME a WCW guy is interviewed about WCW, they ALL use the same phrase.
"The inmates were ruling the asylum."
I never liked WCW back then, but watching it now and knowing all of the behind the scenes stuff is so fascinating to me. Jerhico is a legend. One of the greatest in ring performers and a personality to boot.
nick4man3 9 months ago
Jeff Hardy has 0% mic skills. lol, poor Jeff.
Celinancc1701 10 months ago 2
great example of what he is talking about at 2:48 are cm punk and the miz.
CardinalJiles 10 months ago
jeff hardy still cant talk on the mic
maroonporsche 11 months ago 2
jericho is literally the best wrestler and most entertaining guy in the business, ive enjoyed this interview more than most of the matches ive seen recently
gumbothemagnificent 1 year ago 4
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tehCrazian 1 year ago
One of the best pro wrestling interviews I've heard, this guy needs to keep doing these interviews, they're great!
JiggityJack 1 year ago
hahaha i jst taught about vince mcmahon hearing this interview
and when chris jericho replied to vince mcmahon saying wrestling is fake
vince was like "thats it jericho i heard that ure droping the tittle to triple h"
SuperR1991 1 year ago
y2j is the man fuck bischoff, hogan, nash...
StylesPac617 1 year ago 2
Chris Jericho was not only one of the great wreslters and mic workers with outstanding charisma, but he's really an intelligent person. I love listening to his interviews and shoots.
armstrong2mcgrady2k1 1 year ago
jericho isnt 6 foot lol
papasmurf211 1 year ago
From what Chris said, Jeff knows how to draw in the crowds. He was young back then, 22-23 but he knows that in this business, you got to get noticed to stay on top and he sacrifices his body to achieve that. I have nothing but admiration for him!
jeffervescence 1 year ago
i love Chris Jericho, def a fav of mine but he's not 6 ft tall. Of course he can't say how tall he really is until long after he retires, but thats why many wrestlers who aren't tall admire him!
bushregmike 1 year ago
i wonder if y2j got fined for dat pop at vince
trudon 1 year ago
i love that hulk hogan bubble at 0:30
KingFellie 1 year ago 12
@KingFellie even though he's not actually saying his name you know who he's actually referring to
mothercanuckers 1 year ago 5
@mothercanuckers thats true. who else but the hulkster
KingFellie 1 year ago
Lol 'Hulk Hogan'
hitmancoolio 1 year ago
Chris is still right about Jeff. Jeff only famous for being good looking and diving off ladders.
supermanXL 1 year ago
fair fucks to triple h for taking that spot hurt
libertycaps666 1 year ago
cmon its a joke vince wants 6,3 or 6,5 i mean is vince full of shitt cus i bet n real life alot of the wrestlers are like 5,9 5,5,6 an 5;11 thats just my opin
JoeyHD2 1 year ago
@JoeyHD2
He also likes to have the "All-American" wrestler to be on top I don't know why but he always seems to shove it in people's faces that's why I thought it was a great idea when Kurt Angle first became champion everyone hated him even though he was trying to act like the perfect American hero and annoying people. What I think Jack Swagger is is the exact image Vince McMahon wants as his champion.
mothercanuckers 1 year ago
@mothercanuckers Angle acted like that because it was his gimmick duh
retrograderenegades 1 year ago
@JoeyHD2 No bro in real life most of the wrestlers are over 6, just wade barret is 6'8 jeff hardy is 6'1 edge is 6'1 they just look small on tv
SpeakSoftlyCharisma 10 months ago
LOL @ hulk hogan annotation
Constantine1222 1 year ago
I wish there was another great show with interviews in depth with wrestlers but with A DIFFERENT HOST/INTERVIEWER, for christ sake its sooo F'N annoying to hear this asshole never let anyone finnish one goddamn thought b4 he asks another damn question!
ViperRob42 1 year ago
@ViperRob42
He can't let the guys he's interviewing ramble on forever this is a TV SHOW with commercials? hello? They have a time limit to get as much out of the people as they can Michael Landsberg does the best he can without wasting anyone's breath before they hit to commercials or before the show ends its always Americans that complain because its you guys that don't realize THIS IS A TV SHOW ON CANADA'S TOP SPORTS NETWORK he gets a half an hour time slot to get whatever he can out of it
mothercanuckers 1 year ago 2
Oh yeah, Dean Malenko sure accomplished a lot in WWE. Jobbing to Chyna, becoming the lightheavyweight champion (a worthless title), uhh anything else? And Big Show? WCW pushed him to the moon and became world heavyweight champion by beating Ric Flair. He then became eventually nothing in WWE by the year 2001.
Roguemember 1 year ago 2
damn man, ask the question then shut up so you get a good answer.................wtf
badbillw 1 year ago
Did he stub his toe, or did he break his leg :P LOL
mando267 1 year ago
God DAMMIT Landsberg let him finish speaking. I hate that motherfucker so bad. Ask a question, let them finish...then ask another question. It's the basics of being a talk show host. This douche loves to hear himself talk more than listening to the god damn talent he's interviewing. I want to hear Jericho's responses a lot more than I want to hear your dipshit questions and interruptions.
Canny911 1 year ago
4:18 im fu... im screwed up. lol
Bobinette 2 years ago 5
i was at that event where hhh got injured and i didnt notice that it was legit until i got home and read about it..love him or hate him hhh is a pro
drummy747 2 years ago 4
For years I was proud of Triple H's performance the first time he tore his quad. But after watching this, Chris Jericho deserves at least half of the credit. Both wrestlers are my favorite and both are still doing it in 2010!
DCH1138 2 years ago 4
chhris jericho is awsome
sjm277545 2 years ago 2
4:00
Never knew that story but I got newfound respect for H soldiering on like that
eslubin 2 years ago 4
I have greater respect for both of them after that actually they both deserve the respect from people for continuing on like that
surenopimp 2 years ago 2
vanilla midgets, LOL!
brgyalchemist 2 years ago
Fuck I love this interview!
DeathAdder83 2 years ago
Jericho is simply the greatest there's ever been. Of course, many would disagree because he's never been given the respect he deserves. But he's exactly right about everything he said here, and it still stands today.
abacabb138 2 years ago 5
i agree
surenopimp 2 years ago
Been a Jerichoholic since before his cruiserweight days in WCW. In fact, I didn't watch WCW very much, except to watch Jericho. I liked WWF more, and was ecstatic to see him go to New York. I have his book and have read it several times (btw, he said that he has already written some of his next book, which picks up from right when he joined the WWF). Jericho is one of the few that could lose every single match for a year, then grab the belt, and everyone would buy it.
sscitan 1 year ago
lol hes cocky natrually thts cool he knows hes the best
ege619 2 years ago
I like how Chris points out the wrong in Vince's statement. Sticking it to the boss!
theCrippler720 2 years ago 5
i believe hulk hogan is actually 6'4. Face to face shots of the rock seem to confirm that who is also 6'4
vvEgiB 2 years ago
he was billed as 6'8 tho
hbk4eva1 2 years ago
he was 6'8" but since his back problems he has indeed shrunk.
TheBlock0786 2 years ago
damn that would suck, lucky he wasnt short to begin with
vvEgiB 2 years ago
i hav a lot of respect for triple h for continuing that match with an injured leg.
danluv92 2 years ago 5
he was tera Ryzin in wcw look it up on wikipedia.
joespike555 2 years ago
never knew triple h came from wcw
OCcrazy1 2 years ago
He used his real name Paul Levesque in his WCW days but brought that same "Blueblood" character into WWE in 1995 and used the name Hunter Hurst Helmsley.
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
Chris is the best at what he does thats so true. He is also very gorgeous.
y2jfanlill 2 years ago
You know, you really see the change in character from Jericho then and Jericho now. Lot of maturing, very noticable maturing.
stylinhawaiian7 2 years ago 3
He's not in character here.
looder22 2 years ago
not his portrayed character. his MORAL character. lol. He's grown up since this interview.
stylinhawaiian7 2 years ago
i love the fact how jericho points out that jeff hardy has no mic skills.... it proves that it's just not fans that feel that way.
BREAKTHECODE2222009 2 years ago 3
no i'm fu....no i'm screwed up!! rofl
nickloks 2 years ago 2
chris had a point, jericho, dean malenko, benoit, guerrero, austin, mankind, hhh, and even guys like kevin nash and scott hall got over in wwe and were top talent befoe they jumped back to wcw!!! damn eric bischoff sucks
nickloks 2 years ago
3:27-3:44
Every idiot who disses wrestling cuz its "fake" and says that wrestlers hav it so easy cuz its "fake" needs to watch those 17 seconds. i've never heard anyone give such a good defense to wrestling.
Y2J is the greatest
wwerai316 2 years ago 16
Lol chris isnt 6 foot.
ToM2CoOL 2 years ago
"A japanese guy just got paralyzed for doing a lion sault..."
That's the legendary Hayabusa, bitch, respect!
RantNRavinFection 2 years ago
I've never heard of him either just because Landsberg doesn't know who he his your saying he's disrespecting him why would he even watch Japanese wrestling? At least he didn't mispronounce his name
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Any real wrestling fan knows who Hayabusa is.
Fuck off.
RantNRavinFection 2 years ago
I guess I'm not a "real wrestling" fan then like I care your acting like its cool or something.
Your telling me to fuck off on my own video because I don't watch wrestling from Japan how mature are you?
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
ignorance is not an excuse, idiot
if you're too STUPID to know who Hayabusa is, or any other legendary wrestlers, find INFORMATION on them and educate yourself before you start getting all defensive.
shut the fuck up, troll.
RantNRavinFection 2 years ago
Because I don't know who Hayabusa is I'm stupid? So if a scientist or a paleontologist don't know who Hayabusa is I guess then their stupid and your smart? Educate myself? Apparently after knowing about Japanese wrestling it will help me cope with the world, ya right. I don't care about Japanese wrestling if you do that is fine but quit acting like a little kid because very few North Americans watch it or care about it.
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
@mothercanuckers Very few north Americans watch it? That was never true, and with the wrestling state being as stagnant as it is I bet more north Americans watch japan wrestling than ever.
Cryptopsy666 1 year ago
I've heard the name Hayabusa but in reality, I don't give a shit about some of that crazy Japanese deathmatch stuff. Their style isn't the type I enjoy, and that's the same for other people too. Doesn't make us stupid, just makes you an ignorant "fan" with too much time on his hands and no real life to speak of.
Go back to your mother's basement...I mean, cave, troll.
sub1ime81 2 years ago 2
Chris Jericho doesn't always drink beer. But when he does, he prefers Dos Equis
Rayla840 2 years ago 2
lol
CJMILLZ94 2 years ago
chris: "a guy like jeff hardy. thats how he gets noticed. he doesnt have a lot of skills on the microphone. someday he might." (2:32 - 2:36)
well... jeff still doesnt have a lot of mic-skills...
okay okay no I will get hundreds of thumbs-down for that... hey but think about it... and you maybe accept it...
ps. my english isnt that good... i´m german... ;D
cloudyravengrave 2 years ago 45
amen sir, jeff is boring as hell
alistahr 2 years ago 4
yeah, its like "just shut the fuck up and fall of a ladder."
vernsi 2 years ago
hahahahaha yeah, really
alistahr 2 years ago
@cloudyravengrave No, but he still established himself as a WWE Main Event (Cashcow),
Have you seen all those kids with Hardy shirts and the armthingies and stuff.
Thats why they put him to the top. He sold tons of merchandise and draws whole families to the arenas, and that what the WWE is all about... exploitation.
TeveelTV 1 year ago
6'8" 300 pounds is just a number most wrestlers throw out there. It's not an indirect shot at Hogan.
13charachters 2 years ago
exactly. why wud Jericho say its not the day of 6'8", 300pounds, when he's getting shoved off the poster by Hogan on the show he's promoting.
ianhitman 2 years ago 4
All I'm doing is pointing out the most famous wrestler being billed as 6'8" 300 pounds nothing else...
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
"I'm fuh.....I'm screwed up." Ha ha
bronc30td 2 years ago 32
rofl that was great =D
getodachoppa1 2 years ago
honest stuff..which you don't get out of most of the wrestlers...Jericho described WCW as evil and no wonder why they collapsed..but he also said that once they Bishcoff and Hogan came to WWE,they were all cool and all changed so yea pretty weird.
wrestling has evolved..it's not about being big guy..it's about entertainment..For me Jericho is the best wrestler right now..just hurts and people say he's not enough!!
razazainY2J 2 years ago 9
For all those idiots that say wrestling is fake listen to Jericho @ 3:26
Ezr1987 2 years ago 13
it's choreographed..actually Jericho somehow has been pretty lucky in terms of injuries..I think in his time in WWE,he never got injured!!!
razazainY2J 2 years ago 8
Actually it's true it's almost been 10 years that he's been in the business and he never got injured! Y2J is the best.
Ezr1987 2 years ago 7
what idea did bischoff steal. I am pretty sure the nwo was stolen by japan and not the other way around. I read on wikipedia that he was somehow came upt with the idae after watching an njpw show. anyone out their able to enlighten me?
BURNINGHAMMER76 2 years ago
Its not the "nWo" its the whole idea of an invasion that Bischoff stole obviously the nWo name was from WCW but the idea was from Japan and since Jericho wrestled in Japan I take his word for it. I've also heard another wrestler make the same claim but I forgot who.
mothercanuckers 2 years ago
i believe that Jericho was involved in the invasion angle which bischoff stole from Japan. I think he mentioned it in his book. Now i'm not 100% given that i read it over a year ago but thats my current assumption.
noimagination68 1 year ago
eric states in his book that he did get the idea from japan...........and please don't take this as a shot at you but wikipedia is not a credible source for information
naitch4life 2 years ago 2
There's been tonnes of Invasion angles throughout the history of wrestling - both in Japan and America back in the days of the territories...
NoBrianNoGain 2 years ago
"now that im the undisputed, larger then life, living legend... told ya Eric" XDXD
BUMBUMFLAG 2 years ago 8
I always loved Jericho's character, but seeing this is more than awesome, doesnt hold back and doesnt give a ****
batrama310 2 years ago 12
chris jericho nearly said "im fucked" hahaha
Raad187KO 2 years ago 3
that whole thing where they showed what chris was thinking during the triple h thing that was so FUCKING COOL!
Russman1478 2 years ago 8
jericho save us!!
dizzygemini86 2 years ago 12
Chris Jericho is God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HeartBreakKid1987 2 years ago 12