Bonham Purdie Porcaro half time shuffle lesson

[drumsticknow]

Nice groove, man. Problem is...this ain't the "Rosanna Shuffle", exactly! The hands are right on but the kick beats are off. You're not playing the last beat of the "Bodiddly shuffle" and the other kick beat should be on the last beat of the last triplet and the first beat of the first triplet. Take a listen to Porcaro's drum cover available just a click away on the right ------->

[GaryNull]

@drumsticknow You're right. I play bass, but learned this from watching the

Jeff Porcaro video. He's not playing the kick drum the same as Jeff is.

[Grizzly5055]

Right on Man....Good clean instruction.....Well Done.

[MrSoccer2324]

very nicely broken down, thanks for the lesson!

[naedsukram]

@MrSoccer2324 you're welcome, thanks for the comment.

[meeressen]

Sweet lesson bro....that was great.....thanks a million

[Zhenec1987]

One of the best lessons that i have ever seen. Thank you!

[stevenworringham]

very nicely explained, thanks.

[naedsukram]

@stevenworringham Thanks : ) Dean

[Meatlooaf]

coolest aussie guy ever, you from australia i assume?

[geminidrums]

I love this lesson video!! thank you so much!!

That deserve a Subscribe just base on this video!! So I did!!!

[Aerohog1]

Doesn't quite get it-maybe a syncopated beat instead. His triplet rythyms don't fit the recording. Bunch of bluster.

[DjScout]

soo0o0o0o in the pocket

[naedsukram]

@DjScout thanks man : ) Dean

[naedsukram]

@getreadytowiggle1991 yeh sorry man, my bad, you said left. you can open the hats wherever you feel really, but most of the time they're kept closed with an even pressure. an ideal spot would be on 4+

[naedsukram]

@getreadytowiggle1991 No, the kick pattern is often called a bo diddley beat which is like a quarter note triplet beat. Like in the song 'hand jive' by Johnny Otis.

[gnzvideos]

Very good. Thank you!

[gbengaaaa]

Great lesson well broken down

[haineux]

Ah, drummer face.



[personNumber0123]

You are awesome!

[naedsukram]

@personNumber0123 thanks man, good luck with the groove. Dean

[fnkdrmmr]

Nice explanation of Bernard Purdie's/Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna Beat.

[naedsukram]

@fnkdrmmr thankyou! Dean

[Slinky108]

Nice job! Can't believe the depth you're getting out of that shallow snare. Sounds deeper than my 6.5x14 Pearl Masters snare!

[naedsukram]

@Slinky108 thanx man, it's a great sounding snare plus, I think it was having a good day! Cheers, Dean

[TheCunnu12]

Wow! Half time Porcaro shuffle!!! Something very fresh here on youtube...

[MattCingari3]

very simple and great explanation .. thanks a lot

[bluesxtra]

Great explanation one of the best out there, thanks!!

[RazorNech]

The Bonhan and Purdie shuffle is 2 different shuffle styles. Think u gotta hear the bonham shuffle another time. :)

[azzholeinthedark]

'im gonna, i'm playing singles doubles and diddles till i'm blue in the face trying to get the fingers goin. my right hand feels soo weak it's like fingers won work the stick!

[naedsukram]

@azzholeinthedark I know what you're saying, but when you get the whipping motion from your wrist and your fingers working together, you'll have more endurance. The rudiments your practicing will get you there. The secret is to do it slow so your muscles feel where the strokes hit, over time u eventually get comfortable with the groove and dont have to think about it, just feel it.

[azzholeinthedark]

i like that sound, i am a beginer i don't think i am ready for this DAMN!

[naedsukram]

@azzholeinthedark give it a crack mate, get your hands goin first, do it real slowly, then add kick pattern, be there in no time.

[naedsukram]

@azzholeinthedark btw, I'm no expert or purist about this groove, but I can play it well enough to get thru a gig.

Cheers, Dean

[ascetic43]

@azzholeinthedark The way for a beginner to approach this, is to go *slowly* like he said. Practice *just* the HH "doubles", then start slipping the snare in when you've got a hold on the HH; then when youre comfortable with the snare, add the bass drum and whatever variations. When you practice *slowly*, youre physically rearranging neurons (muscle memory), just like Kung Fu, you do your forms *slow* then when you want to use them to express yourself effortlessly/ musically, it's already-

[ascetic43]

@ascetic43 -programmed into your body. Speed will come, practice *slowly* like Drum Fu. And, don't get frustrated, just keep going and you'll soon see progress; youll surprise yourself. Keep practicing, cheers.

[newmexicoflygirl]

@azzholeinthedark - Don't limit yourself. The beauty of this video is that he breaks the beat into it's parts and plays it slowly. First, just feel it and try to sing it to yourself so that you really know it. Then start slow and play one part at a time. Then try combining the parts, just like he does. It may be over your head for where your skills are now but you should always try stuff that's hard cause that's how you learn. And you might surprise yourself. Just have fun with it.

[azzholeinthedark]

i like that sounds, i am a beginer i don't think i am ready for this DAMN!

[TheBluesman194919]

I think he explains great , almost to the point of over-explaining, he is good.

[titanium9000]

Bass Drum rhythm is wrong. Take a listen to either Bonham's or Porcaros's licks...

Unless of course you're just making up your own :)

[louisalive]

ah nice playing, but dude, technique! :S You look so uncomfortable with the right hand, this groove is so easy once you master molar technique

[naedsukram]

@louisalive I'm using the moeller motion to get the 2nd stroke. I'm not relying directly on wrist motion, controlled rebound and fingers are helping me out.

[louisalive]

@naedsukram yeah, just because u were saying about your right hand getting tired, use ur arm more and you won't even have to use your wrist or fingers, you can play this beat for hours without effort

[naedsukram]

@louisalive I was being empathetic for guys new to this beat. you dont have any videos? why is it the guys with expert advice, never, I mean never, have any videos of their own? why is that? Is it a you tube phenomenon maybe?

[louisalive]

@naedsukram ur right, I don't upload videos, i'm sure u'll find videos of me playing, but I'm really not a fan of uploading videos. No offense, but it's pointless. it does amuse me how wound up people get if you say anything that means they may be doing something slightly wrong. It's obvious i'm purely commenting out of boredom, waiting in the studio. Give ya a tip, if u dn't agree with someone, no point arguing, just say "thanks for the advise!" u'll almost always never hear from them again

[naedsukram]

@louisalive thanks for the advice

[louisalive]

@naedsukram I did say "almost always", wheeey... that is all

[artedellapace]

Great job man! You have delayed the hi-hat too! bbb

[trecoolmania]

WOO ASUTRALIANS FOR ONCE.we rock.litteraly

[naedsukram]

@trecoolmania oy oy oy.

[trecoolmania]

@naedsukram were u live? im from perth.im guessing melb or syd for you...all you bastards over there in the east think were nothing haha (".we got some realll good drummers in perth ay.and not to mention the best music uni in aus (" haha cheers man.

[trecoolmania]

@naedsukram oh shit ur from rockingham! nice man haha u still livin in W.A?

[naedsukram]

@trecoolmania yep, moved from Tas 15 years ago. Play in a band called Astro.

[blibnblob]

Great feel. This was useful thanks.

[naedsukram]

@blibnblob you're welcome ; ) Dean

[skist]

Easily the best half time shuffle lesson I've seen on youtube.

[naedsukram]

@skist cheers, appreciate the comment : ) Dean

[zararochy]

too fast but it's ok

[elrojomuerto6x]

isnt the bass drum pattern a straight 3/2 son clave??? it sounds as such ..

[siti1ca]

great lesson

you should be a drum teacher

[03gorem]

My god what a sound you have! please would you tell me what sort of mikes your using and if you did anything with the sound after?

[naedsukram]

@03gorem thanx man. details on channel page. Nothing really special, usual compression, eq, bit of verb. Thanx for the comment.

Dean : )

[Morethanl1f3]

HOLY SHIZNAT... you have to teach my band drummer how to do this =/ can i message you more about it?

[naedsukram]

@Morethanl1f3 sure, but the video pretty much covers it. Dean : )

[davss5]

@Morethanl1f3 I would advise your drummer to first start out with the straight half-time shuffle (without ghost notes):

R RR R(RL) RR RR RR R(RL)

where (RL) = Right hand/Left hand together and L = snare accent/downbeat

Then, add (left-handed) ghost notes:

RgRRgR(RL)gRRgRRgRRgR(RL)g

The ghost note after the snare accent/downbeat can make the groove sound more fluid...personally, I conceptualize the downbeat+ghost note as a double-stroke (with a softer 2nd stroke)...

[drumsbare]

great beat and that snare reached out and smacked my face when you hit it , thanks

[DiobloHunter]

Amazing Sounding Kit and phenomenal drummer, thanks for demostrating my favorite drum beat so well!

[naedsukram]

@DiobloHunter thankyou, glad you liked the lesson : ) Dean

[chicken6000]

doubles on the snare with the left to rest the right hand add a slick twist to this man, thanks for that.

[cliffnboyzy]

hi mate,

that's a top tuition vid.

well broken down & played very well

hey the tom fill near the end..

would you mind telling me the sticking/tom pattern?

sounds awesome & would like to learn it.

cheers again,

cliff.

[naedsukram]

@cliffnboyzy there was nothing tricky there man, all singles strokes played as16th note triplets round the toms.

[MiloSaurus]

you must be happy with your life

[MiloSaurus]

you must be happy with your life

[Pirateaddict4]

Mapex snares sound so good! Great tones.

[bartellius]

amazing!

thanks for posting!

[viperabs]

Man I love your snare sound! Great natural reverb. The shuffle is nice and clean too.

[pussum1234]

hahaha veryyy clean!!! and extremely well communicated aswell, 5*

[davidgeorge11]

Wow, this is by far the best demonstration and explanation of the shuffle beat I've ever seen. You have an obvious talent not only for drumming, but also for teaching. Thanks!!

[naedsukram]

Thanks so much, great comment, good bass players are held in very high regard IMO, and hard to find : ) peace.

[mrjollypantsjolly]

Thats great! Nice to discover your excellent playing. I too can finally have a stab at this pattern now it has been well explained. Thanks. You might be interested (or amused) to hear my own playing. You wont earn much from it however!!! Cheers.

[naedsukram]

Thanx mr jolly, glad it made some sense to you, as u know from being teacher yourself,finding simple language to communicate ideas is not always easy, especially for me, but its rewarding when people say they learnt something from it. Thanx for the comment.

Dean

[SONUeBOTTOS]

I like your snare sound;-)

[naedsukram]

Thanx man, mapex maple 13" piccolo, probably remo coated reverse dot head.

[08185650]

because of you i can now play this beat!!! thanks

[2010StangGT]

Good stuff, Thanks! I've seen many explanations but yours has helped me the most. Thank You!

[29dave]

Sweeeeet

[Dylacris]

Very cool.. Thanks A ton for breaking it down for us greenhorns.

[cheemooo]

Dont listen to the people criticizing you your video helped me leanr it finally. I was never able to get the bass part right till i saw your vid. I also like how you explained that your right and gets tired because i though i was the only one. You made me realize it is not just me that experiences the right hand tiring. Anyhow you did a great job calm patient slow and fast and nice licks and fills!

[naedsukram]

thanks a lot chemooo. Very pleased that it helped you, makes it worthwhile posting it.

Cheers, Dean : )

[Olivere118]

He needs to take away 1 of the kicks.. 1,2,3,4,5.. but he plays it wrong 1,2,3,4,5,6 kick ! its wrong

[naedsukram]

It's a combination of the three grooves, not any single one.

[blight4hire]

wrong explanation

[phishnugg]

at 4:33 i feel like I get the feel. then you change tempo right when feel it! WHY?!?!?!

[naedsukram]

sorry man, just rewind it a bit. I'd blame my director if I had one.

[phishnugg]

i think i got it...

[NotZeMaidOfOrleansFV]

You know your video was used in a collab? It's awesome.

[naedsukram]

Yeah, I didnt know he was gonna use it, but I have seen it, he's got a great voice, looked like a lot of editing. Thanx : )

[NotZeMaidOfOrleansFV]

Agree about the editing, and no problem.

[nightmaredaemon]

saw the link in the collab to your vid, the editing in the collab was great, and your drums made it sound awesome =)

[ghostnote35]

Very very nice shuffle. I love it. Thanks for the clear explanation. I just started learniing this shuffle(the Bonham one) and you made it much easier to grasp.

Thanks,

Sal

[CiaoGibson]

Thanks for posting. Your efforts have truly been helpfull to me in learning this beat. Now it's time for me to practice :)

[Taborchannel]

Great, glad to hear it!

Dean

[Crow4gold]

you are a great player. I am subscribed...

[loosenutlambert]

Nevermind on those cymbals, I see them posted now. Cant get over how good that rude crash/ride sounds.

[naedsukram]

Yeah, that Rude is a big chunk of iron: ) but actually records really well. I copied this off the track 'Rosanna' in the 80's, for a cover band at the time. Thanx for feedback!

Dean

[loosenutlambert]

Well done sir. I am just mastering this groove myself. I had to buy a book to finally get it nailed properly. Anyway you sound phenomenal . You probably get tired of hearing this, but may I ask what cymbals you're using on this?

[albono81]

the last kick on Bd are on the 4th with the snare... not posticipate...

bye

[naedsukram]

not always, he changes it.

[Nacho66]

Great groove and playing. I was learning some Steely Dan covers for a gig (I play bass) and found this.

I think you would've liked my Philly-Style bass response!

Jam with you anytime bro.

[naedsukram]

I think playing bass to the Dan's songs would be as gratifying as the drum grooves. Tasty recordings.

Cheers, Dean

[conjigalo]

Yeah sorry Dean, this is the vid i thought you were on about!

Shuffles are way cooler, and have much more scope for interpretation in half time.

They sound like the ol" western clonka da clonka horse drawing into the rodeo thing in common time.

Sorry, i am probably talking a load of old rollocks.

[naedsukram]

No, I know exactly what you're saying. I've spent half my life playing the regular blues double handed shuffle. But even though it's simple, it still requires a lot of technique to get it smooth and flowing while maintaining a solid tempo. Bit like a chef cooking a steak, quite easy, but u can still make a dogs breakfast of it.

[naedsukram]

Yeah, I've heard simon phillips version, but I still prefer Porcaro's.

[zodiacie]

Hi I'm not a drummer at all. I was wondering would the snare be on beat 3 for a half time shuffle

[naedsukram]

yes.

[davss5]

@zodiacie I realize your comment here is 1 year old...the grace/ghost noted half-time shuffle can be viewed as an embellishment of a simple 4/4 signature (that usually has the snare downbeat/accent on beat 3):

(1R)gR(2R)gR(3R/Sn)gR(4R)gR etc.

(1R),(2R),(3R),(4R) = right hand strokes of a 4/4 signature

(3R/Sn) = 3rd right hand stroke and snare downbeat/accent together

g = grace/ghost note

[technofarming]

very nice, those groove rock. I'm still working on learning them,They're so much tougher than they sound

[naedsukram]

Yeah, you're right, if it's sounding simple, then you're probably playing it right. I found getting the triplet ghost notes in the left hand a battle, but it's just practise to get it accurate and flowing. Thanx for commenting!

[rebeat2u]

well played.. great ghosting

[theteak]

Hey thanks, good lesson.

[davss5]

I appreciate your lesson...drums (etc.) sound nice...I can do a shuffle beat - and I can do ghost notes - but adding ghost notes to the shuffle beat is my weakness...there is something that I have not yet mentally integrated (between the two)...(to whatever extent I can do both) my shuffle beat ends up sounding smooth (vs. shuffle-like) - which I feel can "pass" for Roseanna...but for (e.g.) Fool in the Rain, the shuffle beat seems somewhat more prominent...anyway, thanks again for the lesson...

[naedsukram]

I've never heard 'fool in the rain', heard a lot about it though. I might search for it...knowing Bonham though, his kick pattern may be quite different and his hats are usually half open...and he hits harder!

[naedsukram]

I did have a listen, and his kick pattern closely follows his right hand, more of a shuffle feel rather than syncopating it. He is playing less ghost notes, also doing an open hi hat regularly withing the pattern, and his hats are actually quite controlled.

[zardashty]

beautiful drum sound very well recorded and useful lesson.thx

[spamba]

Awesome...

[ikicks0777]

good!! thanks a lot!!!

[naedsukram]

You're welcome.

[thebandAsWeAre]

1st comment!