Imagining death is stupid- I did it at the age of nine when school was boring and my friends were busy. I was in the gloomy cellar, squeezing out the last bit of fun from my action figures: "You wont fight me? But then you´ll die haha!" Pow pow, and my plastic soul mate was dead. Looking for a reason to stay I dropped the Bad guy and scanned the corridor. "Death is bad" I mumbled. Suddenly the utlity room on my right went pitch black. I've been wierd ever since. Nukes and cancer, here I come xD
In all honesty, I think sooner or later this monetary system will become obsolete, especially when technical unemployment kicks in. For those who are interested in topics, you may Google "Venus Project or Ziegiest".
@mApoll0 FTL is actually kind of misleading. faster than light travel is possible and we witness it all the time. Black wholes create a frequency that pulls every atom apart systematically, white wholes are the exact opposite frequency (reassembly) so if I were to jump into a black hole here, I'd come out instantaniously i.e. in andromeda, though I did get there faster than it would take light to reach andromeda. I physically didn't travel that distance at that rate of speed or higher
I was one of 5 kids in an entire county with the highest I.Q. What did I do with that? Dropped out of these indoctrinated institutions of confined education, proclaimed the G.P.A. as nothing more than a point system designed to tell them how much of their mis-information you support. ex. I got an F for documenting the truth on the alamo and since I didn't portay Crocket as a hero (who he and the town broke a contract with MEX and said F you, we want your land now) one of many examples.
@shakanunu you, me, everyone and everything. Religion distorts reallity to give them control of you. They use "God" and say you are seperate from him unless you do this, this and that. When in reallity, YOU are that energy and mathematically and by physics alone, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, you always were and always will be. This is just your chosen moment of innocence to experience this reallity and with this mind, harness and channel that energy for this experience.
@shitsucks08 interestingly we actually do something quite different but just as amazing. We actually copy and upload our memories and experiences into our children (Ancestral memory is alctually being tapped into using genetic sensitive software I.E. assassins creed is based on real studies on accessing memory) Children have those experiences in their memory cells I.E. My friend had memories of riding on a horse with a friend, turns out by description was a GG grandfather he never met or saw
@curingaging00 and if you study the banking practices, you will see that mathematically every currency we use that is controlled by them will reach a value of zero. look at money supply vs national debt in countries op. by these ppl. look at dollar value from 1933 to now, you will see that it was systematically designed to lose value, and give them complete control on what the population can and cannot afford and adjust accordingly and never in the majorities favor as monetary history will show
@curingaging00 poverty is amplified through all major banking systems (Fed Res. IMF WTO) that have been put in place to control the value and the amount of money in circulation, our banking practices loan every dollar at interest where only the principle can be paid. Inevitably at the end of the year (almost worldwide now) there is literally not enough money in circulation to cover everyone's debt hence forclosure, bankruptcy etc. They abolished the gold standard for this reason.
@drackulion1 We exist as pure energy, when we want to experience this (3rd density) to appreciate it fully, there must be wonder, we all continuously come into these bodies for an experience, we wipe our memories each time we do this to preserve the quality of the experience, I already know I'm more eager to go back to our true form (thought/energy/manifestations) even though 26 yrs is a fraction compared to my life outside this world, I still feel like I've been here too long
@cpsretartedmuch "according to the scriptures" by literal structure alone states it as not a certainty but a suggestion or "we have nothing giving credit to our story BUT according to the scriptures..." E.G. There is a meteor that is heading to earth and will wipe out all life, this is a proven fact ACCORDING to John
@sjacksonstu I should also state I'm taking no ones side in this arguement, your comment mearly jumped out at me and happened to pertain with past studies, I encourage to research what I've stated. The world will make a lot more sense
@sjacksonstu the amount of money the vatican alone makes can feed, house and clothe everyone on the planet, EVERYONE, dollar for dollar stat if you take how much they make with the population mni/max consumption statistics, hunger, lack of homes, and education you can all clearly tie to our government, the Catholic church, World Trade Organisation, International Monetary Fund. And all who govern those institutions are tied through bloodline, it will take you no effort to confirm this
@Robikus though I cannot go into details for many reasons, Be blissfull, love those around you even if they do not deserve it and love yourself, I am not a christian or one of religion but I highly recomend you do this all this year and throughout the next 2 and you will live forever. sit back and meditate on things that bring you joy, once you do this, focus on it, amplify it, because of our solar system right now, you will start to feel a tingling sensation that will only be here another 4yrs
THIS IS COMMON SENSE YOU WILL DIE AND A CPU COPY WILL IMITATE YOU EXACTLY. WHAT MAKES YOU, YOU, IS ENERGY THAT YOUR MIND CHANNELS TO EXPERIENCE THIS "reallity" NOT 1's and 0's TRANSLATED BY A SILICON BASED PROCESSOR. Why does nobody touch the fact that a gene in your body shuts off btwn 25-30 that's responsible for cellular rejuvination(appearance of youth) that can be reactivated when stimulated. If you were 60 and had this, you would de-age to 25-30 indefinitely short of accident or unnatural
so what if you get a cpu virus, you could become retarted, repeat meaningless numbers, scream ERROR repeatedly at the top of your lungs till you pass out from lack of oxygen, give everyone you pass an insurance quote. Now the scary; ask every guy you pass if they're happy with their size, since you're brain is bugged you could quite dangerously offer yourself as the solution for 5 easy payments of dumb fucking idea
@DK0526 actually the word immortals was a name given to reptilian beings documented by ancient Japan, Maya, Aztecs, The old testiment (called Nephilim: those from the heavens they came) Almost every native american tribe as well as egypt. They were called this because they were said to live at least 1,000 years which to us looks like they do not age at all since it would be like beings who can only live up to ten years living with us on earth. We would be dubbed immortals
@perceptionsevrything for starters, I live by your profile name so salute to that! It is said that God = (us/energy) wanted to experience this 3rd vibration(3rd dimension) without recollection of all that is since we created this vibration we knew all which spoiled us where we couldn't appreciate it. we wanted to forget our energy-based selves and experience something new for the first time in eternity. Some are just more attatched to this density than others, as for myself, I'm eager to return.
@TokyoZeplin Lol 'high and mighty'. You are the one who wants to live for 1,000 years. And you keep replying to my own postings, so you seem not to want to move on either, right?
Oh, the social consequences this will have will be tremendous. But we are entering an age where people refuse to believe in traditional religions and beliefs that death is good and inevitable. People just don't want to die. I don't want to die. You don't want to die. No one does, and because of that, "immortality" will someday be reached. That is probably as definite as death itself. Exactly how this can be reached no one fully knows. All I know is that death will soon be only an option
@iCanHazit Will the fear of death truly decrease when we achieve immortality, or will we become more afraid of it because any slip-up and bam! we've just lost out on the next 1,000 years. And life is already fleeting now, look how fast the years pass as we get older. A very, very long life may pass in a flash.
@squamish4244 In fact squamish, I've just noticed that you and I have locked horns before - back on that bigthink video "You cannot cheat death". I seem to remember you running away from the discussion there... too much logic on my side was it? :)
@hmspinaforethisisspa I'm fascinated by your obsession with being right. Most of this 'Quest for Immortality' stuff appears to be fundamentally based on a fear of death. It also glosses over the enormous (I repeat from my earlier comment) philosophical, ethical, legal, and practical issues surrounding the subject. And the narcissism of the movement is appalling.
@squamish4244 Err, I happen to think that an obsession with being right is perhaps the most healthy one a person can have - what could possibly be a better obligation to follow obsessively than to be as certain as you possibly can that you are correct? To ensure that you have done all the relevant research and thought about all the necessary issues, and that you have come to a correct conclusion? And I love how you say "fear of death" as though it's a silly, childish mindset (continued)
@squamish4244 (continued) May I remind you that a fear of death has been what has kept this genetic lineage from perishing into the void countless millions of years ago? Tell me something, since you don't want to live indefinitely, when exactly would you like to die (bearing in mind that these technologies would give you, at 80, the health of a 30-year-old)?
@hmspinaforethisisspa Death anxiety is behind many of our most destructive behaviors - and yes, I am influenced by the work of Ernest Becker - and the search for immortality is an attempt to run away from it instead of confronting it directly. The fear of death may actually increase among immortal beings, terrified to do anything that may slightly risk the end of of their 1,000 year lifespans.
@hmspinaforethisisspa Doesn't it cause you the least concern that people have sought immortality regardless of the cost - the Egyptian pharaohs tried to achieve it through building huge pyramids to their mummified remains or being buried with piles of gold - or that megalomaniac mass murderers like Chin Shi-Huang, the first emperor of China, and Genghis Khan tried to find the secret, because they didn't want to lose all they had 'achieved'?
@hmspinaforethisisspa I think about 100 years would suit me just fine, that seems to be about the limit for a healthy individual in our society without trying to mess with DNA. A long healthy life followed by a quick drop-off and going back into the cycle that every other living thing is a part of. I know, my ideas are outrageous.
@squamish4244 I'm so glad you said that - let me explain: in my last message I was getting set to write a big long spiel about how anti-immortality people annoy me by saying, when asked "How long would you want to live?", "Oh about 80/100 would do me just fine." (this annoys me because, somehow, I doubt you'll be saying that when it's your 100th birthday) But then I thought that perhaps I was jumping to conclusions - I couldn't lump you with the rest because you might have different views(contd)
@squamish4244 (contd) I had no way of knowing what your views on the matter could be. But thank you so much for verifying that my template for all you lot is still valid ;) I mean, the sheer inanity of saying "I'll live to X years please and then stop" is almost beyond belief. I reiterate: pretty much everyone, when they get to that age of X, will say "Hell yes!" to the offer of another decade or two in good health. And then, when that's run out, they'll say the same again to a bit more etc etc
@hmspinaforethisisspa Well, to quote a recently deceased man who was in his late 80's when he said these words: "When I go, I go. I go into the ground. And I take my place with the other bacteria in the ground. That's it. And I hope that I've made some impress on other human beings, and maybe this society. And that's enough. That's plenty."
@squamish4244 "And that's enough. That's plenty." You don't think, perhaps, that he was referring to the preceding sentence, expressing contentment with making an impression on other human beings and society? Saying that THAT was enough for him? Doesn't that seem the more likely conclusion, rather than saying his life-time itself was plenty? Plus, this is nothing more than acceptance of the unchangeable. If you'd offered him a way to live healthily for another decade, d'you think he'd say no?
@hmspinaforethisisspa Another 90-year-old - James Lovelock - says he decries the recent attempts to extend the human lifespan beyond its natural limit of "about a hundred years" and says he is quite excited at the prospect of returning to nature, which of course he has spent his life studying with his Gaia theory.
@squamish4244 Its "natural limit" of 100 years? Are you actually being serious? You wanna know what the "natural lifespan" of a human is? That means before we invented all those ghastly, abhorrent, unnatural life-extending technologies like surgery, medicine and antibiotics. Wanna have a guess? About 30-35 years of age. The idea that the way we currently live is "natural" is absurd in the extreme. 100 is no more a natural lifespan than 10 (infant mortality was high back then too) or 1000.
@hmspinaforethisisspa You're confusing lifespan with life expectancy. Human lifespan has not changed appreciably over thousands of years (Ramses II lived to be 89 in 1500 BC). I am very happy about the greatly reduced mortality in the modern age. But now we are talking about fundamentally changing human biology, not improving sanitation or vaccinating people. We are going to be manipulating our DNA and changing human existence in an unprecedented way.
@hmspinaforethisisspa I am not ideologically opposed to extending human lifespan as some set in stone cosmic rule. What I am opposed to is the frantic approach of people like you and your damn the torpedoes attitude. For instance, who do you think will benefit from these advances first, and probably for some time? The very rich. That has the potential to cause massive social upheaval. If you think this will be democratic, you are being very naive.
@squamish4244 It will follow the same trend that every new technology does: 1st the very rich get it, and because it's brand new, it is very expensive and doesn't work very well. 2nd it gets cheaper (you still need about 100k to have it) and more kinks are ironed out, but there's still a way to go. 3rd it's in a lot of people's price range (about 5k - same for a really nice LED tv) and all the basics have been sorted. 4th it's about the price of a PC and open to as much customisation.
@hmspinaforethisisspa Except it won't be the latest television, it will be the biggest change in human society that has ever taken place. You are dismissive of the potential upheaval this could bring. Humans NEVER fuck up stuff to do with power and death, right?
@squamish4244 As long as we provide the treatment on the National Health Service (which we have here in England, because we actually care about our population) the only violence that will come about from this will be from the idiots who are against it in principle. Or the ones who will be screaming "This'll be the end of us all!" as the world climbs to never-before-seen heights, getting better and better and better.
@hmspinaforethisisspa And for how long? 1,000 years? 10,000 years? Ok, say it does. Do you know anything, anywhere, that lasts forever? Every civilization that has come before us is gone. But we are convinced ours will be the one that lasts, disregarding all the evidence to the contrary. We will last. Why? Because it's a way for people who believe life has no meaning to psychologically cope with the impermanence of it all.
@squamish4244 So what if it's *only* 10,000 years lol? That's still better than 80 years isn't it? I mean seriously man, sort your head out. Lol and it's a bit of an unfair (and irrelevant) question to ask if I know of anything that has lasted forever isn't it? We haven't reached "forever" yet, and considering that "forever" is an unbounded concept, no creature, immortal or not, will ever be able to technically say "Yeah, X has lasted forever." It'd be like reaching the end of infinity.
@squamish4244 that's the same for absolutely ANY new invention, no matter what. New tech is always expensive at first, and as such, those with more money benifit of it first. If you wanted to cut technologies because of that, we'd be living in the stone age.
@TokyoZeplin I'm no Luddite, but one defining characteristic of humans is our capacity for restraint. It saved our asses during the Cold War although it may have failed us with respect to global warming. I should not be labeled a heretic because I question the wisdom of unrestrained human longevity.
@TokyoZeplin Sorry, there are many people taking offense to my presence here. I touched a nerve with my heresy! I replied to the wrong person. So here: it will be the biggest change in human society that has ever taken place. You are dismissive of the potential upheaval this could bring. Humans NEVER fuck up stuff to do with power and death, right?
@squamish4244 oh stop acting high and mighty about yourself, like your some sort of outcast Mesiah. You have different opinions, people disagree with you, it's life. Move on. Also, still didn't reply to what I wrote, but whatever.
@TokyoZeplin Plus, some people are still going to need to die in order for new children to be born, if anyone wants any, and it would be naive to think they won't. And we already live on a planet where if everyone wanted our standard of living, we would need four earths to sustain it. Yeah new technology, blah blah blah. Sometimes it has bailed us out and sometimes it hasn't.
@squamish4244 ignoring new potential technology in this discussion is silly though. We are already discussing theoretical future technology and science, you can't simply pluck that out, put it in our current technological situation, and ignore any other future possible inventions. By far most of the earth is currently not populated, "space" is most certainly not a problem, nor is food, as we already have far to much.
@TokyoZeplin I didn't say ignore, I said there's a lot of handwaving around how we are going to come with the implications of the biggest change humans have ever experienced. Looking at the mess we've gotten into through global warming, it seems we can't always handle technology in the wisest ways.
@squamish4244 Lol surely the sentiment is contained in the format of the statement, and therefore if there are flaws in the statement, it's imperative to point them out? If the sentiment wasn't contained in the statement, then what was the point of uttering it in the first place?
@squamish4244 Oh, and with regard to James Lovelock and his Gaia Theory - yes, it is a bit predictable that he should feel joy about the prospect of returning to the "sentient earth". It's a little bit like the happiness religious nutcases feel about the prospect of going up to heaven to be with god when they die.
@hmspinaforethisisspa And what's wrong with him? Is his approach flawed? Is it damaging? It's our 'me, me, me' approach that has brought us to the point where our consumer society is eating up our last reserves of oil and filling the atmosphere with crap.
@squamish4244 Lol any approach that welcomes death because it will reunite you with some fictional supreme entity, whether that be a sentient earth "Gaia", God, or the invisible pink unicorn is, yes, both flawed and damaging. And I'm not ignoring your salient points, because you haven't made any yet (except perhaps that one about lifespan and expectancy - btw that still doesn't show how manipulating DNA is bad, we manipulated the DNA of bacteria to mass-produce insulin for diabetics (good)).
@squamish4244 Ummm... YES! That's EXACTLY what death is... what, you reckon there's still gonna be a bit of you that lingers on, do you? You reckon your soul or spirit energy will become one with Gaia or something? Good luck with that, but as for the rest of us who believe in the reality of the situation (when you're dead, you're really fucking dead lol) we'll continue to work on solving the problem...
@hmspinaforethisisspa Do you have any proof that consciousness dies with the brain? The role of consciousness is perhaps the most controversial subject in physics and the area has only recently opened up to serious scientific study. It would be disingenuous of you to say that "when you're dead, you're really fucking dead." P.S. I'm not some religious fundie so don't play the 'God doesn't exist card' on me.
@squamish4244 Do YOU have any proof that it continues after death? The burden of proof is always on the one making the assertion. Since we know that consciousness in humans is dependent on neurons firing, it is reasonable to assume that upon cessation of those neuronal firings, consciousness isn't there any more. That is the default position. We have no evidence that consciousness continues, but overwhelming evidence that it stops when you die. P.S. no it is not controversial in physics at all.
@hmspinaforethisisspa I aslo mentioned the way we're devouring the earth's resources and the quest for immortality seems to be in some ways an extension of our consumer society - it's another thing we have to possess in order to attempt to rid ourselves of the perpetual anxiety that we live in a meaningless universe.
@squamish4244 Lol you can interpret the reason why we do it until you go blue in the face, I'd rather look at the facts thanks. For a start, the vast majority of people out there are still religious (sadly) therefore unlikely to think of the universe as meaningless.
@hmspinaforethisisspa And I'll continue to lock horns with you...as will many others. Bill McKibben, for instance, in his book, 'Enough'. Others simply say Aubrey de Grey is wildly optimistic and that aging in humans is much more complex than he makes it out to be, and that an increase of a few decades is probably all we'll get by 2100.
truth is none of this technology is needed, we are immortal... we are energy in its purest form, fact: energy cannot be created nor destroyed it just changes state, not to mention that what creates this world is clearly consciousness, consciousness has an eternal shelf life, our consciousnes will have the illusion that it has ended when we die but it really just changes state.. just think about it, do some research on consciousness, metaphysics. you should find it interesting
@jekobpl lol he didnt say born at 2050 he said the tech might be there around 2050 and that young people might be able to take advantage of this tech.. still sucks if you were born before 1990 ..
I disagree that overpopulation needs to become an issue. It's not like this happens in a vacuum - other technologies will advance at the same time. We can advance our ability to inhabit currently inhospitable environments, including other planets, while extending our life span.
@JustAnotherHumanist not only that, but if we can live forever, then what would the point of reproduction be? we wouldn't want to, then eventually maybe wont ever need to. but there is also the chance of us starting to terraform other planets or find other nearby earthlike planets
@john295 I've found that once you build world views off what you expect regular people to do, you're in dangerous territory. I wouldn't bet on reproduction ending - but terraforming planets will become a reality at one point, yeah.
@john295 in fact, all case studies show that the richer and longer people live, the less children they in general have. Chances are, if we are all living to age 500, we won't even bother thinking about kids before we're 300 years old, and most might feel more than fine with just a single kid.
the only problem with the man's theory that if you create an exact replica of yourself then that person is in fact yourself, is that he completely disregards consciousness, which is what sets humans apart from computers. I think, therefore I am.
Immortality is possible. Time comes to a stop inside a black hole and if it were possible to avoid a black holes singularity and make it through the event horizon then it should be plausible that one can attain immortality while remaining inside the black hole. This is assuming we had the technology capable of withstanding such immense gravitational force. Some day maybe.
@EWWYOURFAC3 That's not true. From an outside observer's standpoint, the person falling into the black hole appears to freeze on the event horizon of the blackhole. The person actually falling in will fall straight in and time will continue at a normal rate.
Yes, to the outside observer they will relatively have an infinite lifespan, although it won't change the person's perception that actually went into the black hole.
Death is a part of life. Escaping death is escaping life. Besides we are immortal since we cannot be conscious of being unconscious. so to the personally your consciousness is infinite or "immortal"
@dcl32 : For immortals there would be no need to procreate... We mortals procreate now, because we need our children to carry on with what we have achieved and to learn and invent more from generation to generation. Immortals would learn and evolve forever.
@zzzzTHE7SISTERSzzzz I know, but people would still have children. You can always count on people like that. People who don't care about the good of all mankind or anything like that. But anyways, I guess you can always sterilize everyone, haha.
In the 1970 at age 116 Matser Du Xi Lin of the White Cloud Monastery has transmuted his body into pure spirit and left this plane taking his body with him in front of hundreds of onlookers. He levitated in mid air , spinned fast and became a ball of light connecting with the sun at midday. He left no physical remains remains behind.
@freestuffetd Actually there are pictures of him even before the event that portray his body almost completely transparent, but if you want to know more talk to his student and now master and physician Doctor Wu at the Beijin Chinese Medical Center in Santa Monica, California 3104581788
Doctor Wu was present at the event when Master Du left this plane.
But then again if you are a skeptic you will certainly think the photos are doctored and the doctor is a lier.
"My objection to Supernatural beliefs is precisely that they miserably fail to do justice to the sublime grandeur of the real world.They represent a narrowing-down from reality, an impoverishment of what the real world has to offer." That was Richard Dawkins quote.Therefore you are an impoverished fellow, you reality view is POOR and worst ; you cannot even afford to buy some more brains. You can't help it but remain a brainedwashed fool, buying fairtales about stone-age Mystics. Monkey breed.
Not in the supernatural sense, but in the here now, physical world.
You scratch my back, I scratch yours? What goes around, comes around right?
It stops me being a cunt lol.
One thing though, I'm pretty sure there is no *Hell* in Buddhism. At least not in the Christian sense. There is, as you say - reincarnation instead, and belief in Karma.
I think the main focus is to gain enlightenment here on earth. Fear isn't useful.
Aging and longevity are two different things (Is this why vampire stories are so popular these days?) Imagine being as healthy, smart and sassy as a 35 year old, when you are 135. If more healthy older people were around with accumulated wisdom and fat bank accounts to their credit, I should think that would be a good thing all around.
@islandbuoy4 Spirituality is at least laugable, at best annoying. So is everything "new age". Do you guys try hard to keep up with anything Tech related? You remind me the Amish and the Luddites. It's not that you are Hypocrites, but a tad Retarded.
certified by Mr. Science himself Herr Einstein, both of these quotes are his..
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment ..."
I think the Methuselarity and Singularity are complementary ideas in so far as one solves the problem of the other; the problem being overpopulation. If indefinite lifespan were to become a reality and people wanted children they could 1) Opt out of taking such radical life extension treatments and die naturally to make way for their children or 2) At some predetermined time when their children have been reared have their consciousness uploaded to remove them from the physical world.
@kcartesius You are your brain. Your brain is a network of neurons, each with a very simple, almost binary function on the smallest level. This network owes its intelligence to the shere complexity and number of connections. Therefore if you could capture every neuron, its exact state and every one of its connections then you do infact have an exact copy. The only question is, do you trust the resolution and precision of the machine? Has EVERY single neuron and connection REALLY been preserved?
The only way this will ever happen in practise and have favorable results is if we begin populating worlds other than Earth. Imagine having infinite amount of space to occupy; not worrying about overcrowding, not limiting rate of reproduction, not having forced deaths etc. Just individual humans living forever and still reproducing... populating the galaxy.
what about overpopulation? I think that unfortunately we would only be able to have one child per family which would be very hard and possibly immoral law to enforce.
The desire to live forever is incredibly selfish. Death occurs as a natural end to an individual's life that their loss may leave space for a new individual to experience existence. This kind of endeavour displays the short-sightedness of a vast portion of the human populace, and a general lack of understanding of Cause and Effect.
@ExNihilMetal that's retarded, that the desire to live at all beyond having bred is selfish. Or the desire for anyone to simply die at a ripe old age is selfish. You try say you understand causality by explaining that someone dies and is replaced by another for one that's clearly not the case and show's you don't know anything about causality other than what the word itself means but not the philosophy.
@ExNihilMetal Really? Vedic philosophy is the basis for your argument?lovely as quiet alot of it is i don't exactly agree with it and i'm not going to die to perpetuate what some people think might happen when we die.
There's not really much to "agree" or "disagree" with, it's mainly a shedload of observations and logical (and correct) assumptions based on those observations. Even so, the message is less "this is what is", and more "live as if this were the case". The focus really is more on life than on death, which is what makes it such a fulfilling way of life (whereas this immortality business seems more a "way against death", rather than a "way of life" [as Death is part of Life]).
@ExNihilMetal There's a lot more opinion and a lot less logic than you appear to be seeing. You seem to live your life by some form of Pascal's wager. I live my life to the full and i don't intend death to be apart of it. I travel the world, I love my friends and family, I love meeting new people, i take classes on a whim just to know more and i learn stupid tricks like powerbocking, heelys ,rubik's cube.All because it's enjoyable. what other reason to life is there than living.death isn't life.
Death is Life. We are constantly dying until we are dead. That seems precisely why you're trying to escape the end by living harder and faster than is "normal". For the record, I'm similar in my approach to life - I've become impressively good at a large number of things, and make steps every day to improve my skill at/knowledge of all things which interest me. However, the difference between us is that I am entirely comfortable with my death, and do not fear it. Fuck yeah.
@ExNihilMetal none of that makes sense, I don't fear death for one i just really don't want it to happen because i want to continue doing what i'm doing. The difference between us seems to simply fall on our belief system and vedas seems to be apart of that which as i said is a pascal's wager of sorts. (by the way thanks for the debate that so far has been pretty civilised without getting all 'youtubey') =D
I wouldn't mind an extended lifespan - if it were my youth that were extended - but I would certainly never want to live forever. I think I would lose my lust for life after I'd lived through every kind of joy and hardship. As it is, I know I'm going to start failing as I get older, and I know that I will eventually be "old". When I can no longer function well enough to do good for those around me, then I will end my life, if I am not dead by then. (And yes, good debate :D)
@sniped101 And why would they want to risk anything? The knowledge that our days are numbered propels a lot of us out into the world to take risks that add more to life. And could you imagine an immortal president? What would they go through to keep their power? History is full of examples of people who cling to power to their last breath no matter the cost. Genghis Khan sought the secret of immortality, it's a damn good thing he never found it!
@squamish4244 Dude, forget it - the notion that wanting to preserve one's life indefinitely is selfish is preposterous. Who are we being selfish towards? Future descendants? To make that argument would be to imply that hypothetical individuals who have yet to exist are more important than real individuals who CURRENTLY exist. By that logic, you should be trying to have as many babies with as many women all day, every day. And think of the countless potential people who are lost when you wank!
@hmspinaforethisisspa Yes, denying any future descendents the chance to experience childhood and adolescence and growing up because WE want to live forever. F*** future generations, I want to live forever. Me, me, me. I didn't say future generations are more important, but they are no less. (And your wanking comment is just bizarre.) Don't tell me to forget it, either, these are legitimate questions that aren't going to go away.
@squamish4244 Those future generations don't exist! You're basing all these objections on these hypothetical future scenarios which MAY or MAY NOT happen. How far can we take this? What about when you spray the kitchen sink with "Mr Muscle" cleaner? Those 10 billion microbes you've just destroyed have been "denied the opportunity" to hypothetically evolve into sentient life, just like we did, in the far future. It is stupid to tailor your actions to hypotheticals as uncertain as this (continued)
@hmspinaforethisisspa We can be 99% certain that there will be future generations, and they will be people, not microbes. DO you want to have kids? Do your friends? Do other people you know? Very likely. Do many, many people? Emphatically, yes! So, too bad for their desired children, because everyone will become immortal, and we can't risk over population.
@hmspinaforethisisspa And I must re-emphasize, these questions are not going to go away, and I'm not the only one asking them. And a whole host of other ethical, legal, philosophical, and practical issues.
@squamish4244 (continued) What if we start making ourselves immortal (to the sanguine objections of people like yourself) and then a meteor hits the Earth, wiping everything out? Was it still selfish for us to attempt to become immortal? No "future generations" were "sacrificed" in this instance, because the meteor was going to prevent the possibility of there being future generations ANYWAY! Although this is an extreme example, it makes a valid point - we CANNOT know for certain (continued2)
@squamish4244 By "sanguine" I mean "getting very hot under the collar about non-issues", now would you care to actually answer the points I made in (continued2) and (continued3)? Or were they too challenging for you?
@squamish4244 (continued2) what the future holds, and to restrict ourselves on an issue as vital as this one on the premise that it will "deny future descendants the chance" to exist is ridiculous. It's not even as if they're already in a state where one can think of them as a "something" (e.g. like a blastocyst), the atoms from which they may be formed have not even conglomerated together into a "thing", they are scattered chaos, utterly insubstantial (continued3)
@squamish4244 (continued3) e.g. the molecules which may make them up are likely in flux at the moment in the upper atmosphere... would you think of the atmosphere as an unborn child? And my wanking comment was valid - if you regard potential future generations as so vitally important, then you should be trying to preserve every single spermatazoa that you produce (there are about 200-300 million in the average ejaculation), otherwise, you're a mass murderer, wasting all those potential people.
one of the worst things about dying is that you dont get see what we homo sapiens do withourselves and the planet. where does our story take us? mars? imortality? totoal ecological or economic collapse? nukes? i wish to be immortal so that i may know these things
@reptilianism420 Life is like enterig a movie theatre in the middle of the show. When you finally figure out what the movie is all about, you are told that you have to leave and can't see how the movie ends.
I'd like to live forever in my very own body, like the Wolverine and other characters in fantasy. I would like my body to be "immortal" - healing instantaneously and never aging, being able to repair itself and keep the old mind (no copying it) even after an utterly fatal injury, leaving only a cell/cells on the body. I hate the idea of prolonging life by "transporting" oneself into a machine - I think that's just a mere copy of a person, ergo the original person would perish.
Imagining death is stupid- I did it at the age of nine when school was boring and my friends were busy. I was in the gloomy cellar, squeezing out the last bit of fun from my action figures: "You wont fight me? But then you´ll die haha!" Pow pow, and my plastic soul mate was dead. Looking for a reason to stay I dropped the Bad guy and scanned the corridor. "Death is bad" I mumbled. Suddenly the utlity room on my right went pitch black. I've been wierd ever since. Nukes and cancer, here I come xD
blankprobe 1 day ago
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blankprobe 1 day ago
In all honesty, I think sooner or later this monetary system will become obsolete, especially when technical unemployment kicks in. For those who are interested in topics, you may Google "Venus Project or Ziegiest".
curingaging00 1 day ago
@mApoll0 FTL is actually kind of misleading. faster than light travel is possible and we witness it all the time. Black wholes create a frequency that pulls every atom apart systematically, white wholes are the exact opposite frequency (reassembly) so if I were to jump into a black hole here, I'd come out instantaniously i.e. in andromeda, though I did get there faster than it would take light to reach andromeda. I physically didn't travel that distance at that rate of speed or higher
DANRYX 2 days ago
@Twicebakedtaters our bodies are human, WE are energy
DANRYX 2 days ago
@DANRYX Yeah, I tend to feel that way. This is the package we come in.
Twicebakedtaters 2 days ago
I was one of 5 kids in an entire county with the highest I.Q. What did I do with that? Dropped out of these indoctrinated institutions of confined education, proclaimed the G.P.A. as nothing more than a point system designed to tell them how much of their mis-information you support. ex. I got an F for documenting the truth on the alamo and since I didn't portay Crocket as a hero (who he and the town broke a contract with MEX and said F you, we want your land now) one of many examples.
DANRYX 2 days ago
@GlamMetalhead Hey! I'm a 6.4 and took offense to something but forgot what it was
DANRYX 2 days ago
@DiziCone beautifully stated.
DANRYX 2 days ago
CRYONICS
DK0526 2 days ago
@shakanunu you, me, everyone and everything. Religion distorts reallity to give them control of you. They use "God" and say you are seperate from him unless you do this, this and that. When in reallity, YOU are that energy and mathematically and by physics alone, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, you always were and always will be. This is just your chosen moment of innocence to experience this reallity and with this mind, harness and channel that energy for this experience.
DANRYX 2 days ago
@shitsucks08 interestingly we actually do something quite different but just as amazing. We actually copy and upload our memories and experiences into our children (Ancestral memory is alctually being tapped into using genetic sensitive software I.E. assassins creed is based on real studies on accessing memory) Children have those experiences in their memory cells I.E. My friend had memories of riding on a horse with a friend, turns out by description was a GG grandfather he never met or saw
DANRYX 2 days ago
@curingaging00 and if you study the banking practices, you will see that mathematically every currency we use that is controlled by them will reach a value of zero. look at money supply vs national debt in countries op. by these ppl. look at dollar value from 1933 to now, you will see that it was systematically designed to lose value, and give them complete control on what the population can and cannot afford and adjust accordingly and never in the majorities favor as monetary history will show
DANRYX 2 days ago
@curingaging00 poverty is amplified through all major banking systems (Fed Res. IMF WTO) that have been put in place to control the value and the amount of money in circulation, our banking practices loan every dollar at interest where only the principle can be paid. Inevitably at the end of the year (almost worldwide now) there is literally not enough money in circulation to cover everyone's debt hence forclosure, bankruptcy etc. They abolished the gold standard for this reason.
DANRYX 2 days ago
@DANRYX Good infomation, I believe I researched this once before, thanks for reminding me.
"Zietgiest the movie Fed" Talked about what you described.
curingaging00 1 day ago
@drackulion1 We exist as pure energy, when we want to experience this (3rd density) to appreciate it fully, there must be wonder, we all continuously come into these bodies for an experience, we wipe our memories each time we do this to preserve the quality of the experience, I already know I'm more eager to go back to our true form (thought/energy/manifestations) even though 26 yrs is a fraction compared to my life outside this world, I still feel like I've been here too long
DANRYX 2 days ago
@cpsretartedmuch "according to the scriptures" by literal structure alone states it as not a certainty but a suggestion or "we have nothing giving credit to our story BUT according to the scriptures..." E.G. There is a meteor that is heading to earth and will wipe out all life, this is a proven fact ACCORDING to John
DANRYX 2 days ago
@sjacksonstu I should also state I'm taking no ones side in this arguement, your comment mearly jumped out at me and happened to pertain with past studies, I encourage to research what I've stated. The world will make a lot more sense
DANRYX 2 days ago
@sjacksonstu the amount of money the vatican alone makes can feed, house and clothe everyone on the planet, EVERYONE, dollar for dollar stat if you take how much they make with the population mni/max consumption statistics, hunger, lack of homes, and education you can all clearly tie to our government, the Catholic church, World Trade Organisation, International Monetary Fund. And all who govern those institutions are tied through bloodline, it will take you no effort to confirm this
DANRYX 2 days ago
@bushie09 "a little more reasonable" perfect word usage!
DANRYX 2 days ago
@spacemanishere Milky Way and Andromeda definitely
DANRYX 2 days ago
@Robikus though I cannot go into details for many reasons, Be blissfull, love those around you even if they do not deserve it and love yourself, I am not a christian or one of religion but I highly recomend you do this all this year and throughout the next 2 and you will live forever. sit back and meditate on things that bring you joy, once you do this, focus on it, amplify it, because of our solar system right now, you will start to feel a tingling sensation that will only be here another 4yrs
DANRYX 2 days ago
THIS IS COMMON SENSE YOU WILL DIE AND A CPU COPY WILL IMITATE YOU EXACTLY. WHAT MAKES YOU, YOU, IS ENERGY THAT YOUR MIND CHANNELS TO EXPERIENCE THIS "reallity" NOT 1's and 0's TRANSLATED BY A SILICON BASED PROCESSOR. Why does nobody touch the fact that a gene in your body shuts off btwn 25-30 that's responsible for cellular rejuvination(appearance of youth) that can be reactivated when stimulated. If you were 60 and had this, you would de-age to 25-30 indefinitely short of accident or unnatural
DANRYX 2 days ago
so what if you get a cpu virus, you could become retarted, repeat meaningless numbers, scream ERROR repeatedly at the top of your lungs till you pass out from lack of oxygen, give everyone you pass an insurance quote. Now the scary; ask every guy you pass if they're happy with their size, since you're brain is bugged you could quite dangerously offer yourself as the solution for 5 easy payments of dumb fucking idea
DANRYX 2 days ago
@DK0526 actually the word immortals was a name given to reptilian beings documented by ancient Japan, Maya, Aztecs, The old testiment (called Nephilim: those from the heavens they came) Almost every native american tribe as well as egypt. They were called this because they were said to live at least 1,000 years which to us looks like they do not age at all since it would be like beings who can only live up to ten years living with us on earth. We would be dubbed immortals
DANRYX 2 days ago
@STPHNOWNAGE the only constant is change
DANRYX 4 days ago
cryonics
DK0526 1 week ago
mortal kombat
mattbeezy910 2 weeks ago
We are already immortal. Why would one wish to fix what isn't broken?
perceptionsevrything 3 weeks ago
@perceptionsevrything for starters, I live by your profile name so salute to that! It is said that God = (us/energy) wanted to experience this 3rd vibration(3rd dimension) without recollection of all that is since we created this vibration we knew all which spoiled us where we couldn't appreciate it. we wanted to forget our energy-based selves and experience something new for the first time in eternity. Some are just more attatched to this density than others, as for myself, I'm eager to return.
DANRYX 2 days ago
I thought that continued growing and could move the world just as wanted at will forever.
Become a youth of the eternal immortality with everlasting life.
Do it from now on.
永遠の命を得て不老不死身の若者になる。
永遠に生き続け世界を自由自在に思い通りに動かせると思っていた、これからやるんだ。
wizardmori 3 weeks ago
I was once immortal, then i took an arrow to the knee
alexk101488 3 weeks ago
@alexk101488 will you stfu about that you skyrim shit head no one wants to hear your bull shit
Blood3LOOD 3 weeks ago
As the great philosopher Vegeta once said: First immortality, then the bitches.
EvansRowan123 1 month ago 2
@TokyoZeplin Lol 'high and mighty'. You are the one who wants to live for 1,000 years. And you keep replying to my own postings, so you seem not to want to move on either, right?
squamish4244 1 month ago
Oh, the social consequences this will have will be tremendous. But we are entering an age where people refuse to believe in traditional religions and beliefs that death is good and inevitable. People just don't want to die. I don't want to die. You don't want to die. No one does, and because of that, "immortality" will someday be reached. That is probably as definite as death itself. Exactly how this can be reached no one fully knows. All I know is that death will soon be only an option
iCanHazit 1 month ago
@iCanHazit Will the fear of death truly decrease when we achieve immortality, or will we become more afraid of it because any slip-up and bam! we've just lost out on the next 1,000 years. And life is already fleeting now, look how fast the years pass as we get older. A very, very long life may pass in a flash.
squamish4244 1 month ago
OMG U GUYS ARE STUPID. just make Horcruxes!
GamingSpartanz 1 month ago
@GamingSpartanz Lol
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 In fact squamish, I've just noticed that you and I have locked horns before - back on that bigthink video "You cannot cheat death". I seem to remember you running away from the discussion there... too much logic on my side was it? :)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa I'm fascinated by your obsession with being right. Most of this 'Quest for Immortality' stuff appears to be fundamentally based on a fear of death. It also glosses over the enormous (I repeat from my earlier comment) philosophical, ethical, legal, and practical issues surrounding the subject. And the narcissism of the movement is appalling.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Err, I happen to think that an obsession with being right is perhaps the most healthy one a person can have - what could possibly be a better obligation to follow obsessively than to be as certain as you possibly can that you are correct? To ensure that you have done all the relevant research and thought about all the necessary issues, and that you have come to a correct conclusion? And I love how you say "fear of death" as though it's a silly, childish mindset (continued)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 (continued) May I remind you that a fear of death has been what has kept this genetic lineage from perishing into the void countless millions of years ago? Tell me something, since you don't want to live indefinitely, when exactly would you like to die (bearing in mind that these technologies would give you, at 80, the health of a 30-year-old)?
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Death anxiety is behind many of our most destructive behaviors - and yes, I am influenced by the work of Ernest Becker - and the search for immortality is an attempt to run away from it instead of confronting it directly. The fear of death may actually increase among immortal beings, terrified to do anything that may slightly risk the end of of their 1,000 year lifespans.
squamish4244 1 month ago
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squamish4244 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Doesn't it cause you the least concern that people have sought immortality regardless of the cost - the Egyptian pharaohs tried to achieve it through building huge pyramids to their mummified remains or being buried with piles of gold - or that megalomaniac mass murderers like Chin Shi-Huang, the first emperor of China, and Genghis Khan tried to find the secret, because they didn't want to lose all they had 'achieved'?
squamish4244 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa I think about 100 years would suit me just fine, that seems to be about the limit for a healthy individual in our society without trying to mess with DNA. A long healthy life followed by a quick drop-off and going back into the cycle that every other living thing is a part of. I know, my ideas are outrageous.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 I'm so glad you said that - let me explain: in my last message I was getting set to write a big long spiel about how anti-immortality people annoy me by saying, when asked "How long would you want to live?", "Oh about 80/100 would do me just fine." (this annoys me because, somehow, I doubt you'll be saying that when it's your 100th birthday) But then I thought that perhaps I was jumping to conclusions - I couldn't lump you with the rest because you might have different views(contd)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 (contd) I had no way of knowing what your views on the matter could be. But thank you so much for verifying that my template for all you lot is still valid ;) I mean, the sheer inanity of saying "I'll live to X years please and then stop" is almost beyond belief. I reiterate: pretty much everyone, when they get to that age of X, will say "Hell yes!" to the offer of another decade or two in good health. And then, when that's run out, they'll say the same again to a bit more etc etc
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Well, to quote a recently deceased man who was in his late 80's when he said these words: "When I go, I go. I go into the ground. And I take my place with the other bacteria in the ground. That's it. And I hope that I've made some impress on other human beings, and maybe this society. And that's enough. That's plenty."
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 "And that's enough. That's plenty." You don't think, perhaps, that he was referring to the preceding sentence, expressing contentment with making an impression on other human beings and society? Saying that THAT was enough for him? Doesn't that seem the more likely conclusion, rather than saying his life-time itself was plenty? Plus, this is nothing more than acceptance of the unchangeable. If you'd offered him a way to live healthily for another decade, d'you think he'd say no?
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Another 90-year-old - James Lovelock - says he decries the recent attempts to extend the human lifespan beyond its natural limit of "about a hundred years" and says he is quite excited at the prospect of returning to nature, which of course he has spent his life studying with his Gaia theory.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Its "natural limit" of 100 years? Are you actually being serious? You wanna know what the "natural lifespan" of a human is? That means before we invented all those ghastly, abhorrent, unnatural life-extending technologies like surgery, medicine and antibiotics. Wanna have a guess? About 30-35 years of age. The idea that the way we currently live is "natural" is absurd in the extreme. 100 is no more a natural lifespan than 10 (infant mortality was high back then too) or 1000.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa You're confusing lifespan with life expectancy. Human lifespan has not changed appreciably over thousands of years (Ramses II lived to be 89 in 1500 BC). I am very happy about the greatly reduced mortality in the modern age. But now we are talking about fundamentally changing human biology, not improving sanitation or vaccinating people. We are going to be manipulating our DNA and changing human existence in an unprecedented way.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa I am not ideologically opposed to extending human lifespan as some set in stone cosmic rule. What I am opposed to is the frantic approach of people like you and your damn the torpedoes attitude. For instance, who do you think will benefit from these advances first, and probably for some time? The very rich. That has the potential to cause massive social upheaval. If you think this will be democratic, you are being very naive.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 It will follow the same trend that every new technology does: 1st the very rich get it, and because it's brand new, it is very expensive and doesn't work very well. 2nd it gets cheaper (you still need about 100k to have it) and more kinks are ironed out, but there's still a way to go. 3rd it's in a lot of people's price range (about 5k - same for a really nice LED tv) and all the basics have been sorted. 4th it's about the price of a PC and open to as much customisation.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Except it won't be the latest television, it will be the biggest change in human society that has ever taken place. You are dismissive of the potential upheaval this could bring. Humans NEVER fuck up stuff to do with power and death, right?
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 As long as we provide the treatment on the National Health Service (which we have here in England, because we actually care about our population) the only violence that will come about from this will be from the idiots who are against it in principle. Or the ones who will be screaming "This'll be the end of us all!" as the world climbs to never-before-seen heights, getting better and better and better.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa And for how long? 1,000 years? 10,000 years? Ok, say it does. Do you know anything, anywhere, that lasts forever? Every civilization that has come before us is gone. But we are convinced ours will be the one that lasts, disregarding all the evidence to the contrary. We will last. Why? Because it's a way for people who believe life has no meaning to psychologically cope with the impermanence of it all.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 So what if it's *only* 10,000 years lol? That's still better than 80 years isn't it? I mean seriously man, sort your head out. Lol and it's a bit of an unfair (and irrelevant) question to ask if I know of anything that has lasted forever isn't it? We haven't reached "forever" yet, and considering that "forever" is an unbounded concept, no creature, immortal or not, will ever be able to technically say "Yeah, X has lasted forever." It'd be like reaching the end of infinity.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 that's the same for absolutely ANY new invention, no matter what. New tech is always expensive at first, and as such, those with more money benifit of it first. If you wanted to cut technologies because of that, we'd be living in the stone age.
TokyoZeplin 1 month ago
@TokyoZeplin I'm no Luddite, but one defining characteristic of humans is our capacity for restraint. It saved our asses during the Cold War although it may have failed us with respect to global warming. I should not be labeled a heretic because I question the wisdom of unrestrained human longevity.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 that completely ignored what I said, but whatever.
TokyoZeplin 1 month ago
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@TokyoZeplin Sorry, there are many people taking offense to my presence here. I touched a nerve with my heresy! I replied to the wrong person. So here: it will be the biggest change in human society that has ever taken place. You are dismissive of the potential upheaval this could bring. Humans NEVER fuck up stuff to do with power and death, right?
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 oh stop acting high and mighty about yourself, like your some sort of outcast Mesiah. You have different opinions, people disagree with you, it's life. Move on. Also, still didn't reply to what I wrote, but whatever.
TokyoZeplin 1 month ago
@TokyoZeplin Plus, some people are still going to need to die in order for new children to be born, if anyone wants any, and it would be naive to think they won't. And we already live on a planet where if everyone wanted our standard of living, we would need four earths to sustain it. Yeah new technology, blah blah blah. Sometimes it has bailed us out and sometimes it hasn't.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 ignoring new potential technology in this discussion is silly though. We are already discussing theoretical future technology and science, you can't simply pluck that out, put it in our current technological situation, and ignore any other future possible inventions. By far most of the earth is currently not populated, "space" is most certainly not a problem, nor is food, as we already have far to much.
TokyoZeplin 1 month ago
@TokyoZeplin I didn't say ignore, I said there's a lot of handwaving around how we are going to come with the implications of the biggest change humans have ever experienced. Looking at the mess we've gotten into through global warming, it seems we can't always handle technology in the wisest ways.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Also, you ignored James Lovelock's sentiment and attacked his statement. Stop ignoring my salient points.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Lol surely the sentiment is contained in the format of the statement, and therefore if there are flaws in the statement, it's imperative to point them out? If the sentiment wasn't contained in the statement, then what was the point of uttering it in the first place?
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Oh, and with regard to James Lovelock and his Gaia Theory - yes, it is a bit predictable that he should feel joy about the prospect of returning to the "sentient earth". It's a little bit like the happiness religious nutcases feel about the prospect of going up to heaven to be with god when they die.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa And what's wrong with him? Is his approach flawed? Is it damaging? It's our 'me, me, me' approach that has brought us to the point where our consumer society is eating up our last reserves of oil and filling the atmosphere with crap.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Lol any approach that welcomes death because it will reunite you with some fictional supreme entity, whether that be a sentient earth "Gaia", God, or the invisible pink unicorn is, yes, both flawed and damaging. And I'm not ignoring your salient points, because you haven't made any yet (except perhaps that one about lifespan and expectancy - btw that still doesn't show how manipulating DNA is bad, we manipulated the DNA of bacteria to mass-produce insulin for diabetics (good)).
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa So you're assuming that death is annihilation of all facets of the being that preceded the event?
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Ummm... YES! That's EXACTLY what death is... what, you reckon there's still gonna be a bit of you that lingers on, do you? You reckon your soul or spirit energy will become one with Gaia or something? Good luck with that, but as for the rest of us who believe in the reality of the situation (when you're dead, you're really fucking dead lol) we'll continue to work on solving the problem...
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Do you have any proof that consciousness dies with the brain? The role of consciousness is perhaps the most controversial subject in physics and the area has only recently opened up to serious scientific study. It would be disingenuous of you to say that "when you're dead, you're really fucking dead." P.S. I'm not some religious fundie so don't play the 'God doesn't exist card' on me.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Do YOU have any proof that it continues after death? The burden of proof is always on the one making the assertion. Since we know that consciousness in humans is dependent on neurons firing, it is reasonable to assume that upon cessation of those neuronal firings, consciousness isn't there any more. That is the default position. We have no evidence that consciousness continues, but overwhelming evidence that it stops when you die. P.S. no it is not controversial in physics at all.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa I aslo mentioned the way we're devouring the earth's resources and the quest for immortality seems to be in some ways an extension of our consumer society - it's another thing we have to possess in order to attempt to rid ourselves of the perpetual anxiety that we live in a meaningless universe.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Lol you can interpret the reason why we do it until you go blue in the face, I'd rather look at the facts thanks. For a start, the vast majority of people out there are still religious (sadly) therefore unlikely to think of the universe as meaningless.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa And I'll continue to lock horns with you...as will many others. Bill McKibben, for instance, in his book, 'Enough'. Others simply say Aubrey de Grey is wildly optimistic and that aging in humans is much more complex than he makes it out to be, and that an increase of a few decades is probably all we'll get by 2100.
squamish4244 1 month ago
truth is none of this technology is needed, we are immortal... we are energy in its purest form, fact: energy cannot be created nor destroyed it just changes state, not to mention that what creates this world is clearly consciousness, consciousness has an eternal shelf life, our consciousnes will have the illusion that it has ended when we die but it really just changes state.. just think about it, do some research on consciousness, metaphysics. you should find it interesting
Sp33dyMik3 2 months ago
Uploading the brain to a computer is where the theory gets really messy in an ethical sense.
Dr. de Grey's SENS, however seems very conceivable in the near future.
Krutchtacular 2 months ago
Basically we're all fucked couse we were born before 2050!!!!
jekobpl 3 months ago
@jekobpl lol he didnt say born at 2050 he said the tech might be there around 2050 and that young people might be able to take advantage of this tech.. still sucks if you were born before 1990 ..
sirgrundel 2 months ago
@sirgrundel i was born in 1995 so i should be fine
jekobpl 2 months ago
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567evolution 3 months ago
And to think, the only creature on this planet and for all we know, The Universe, is a jellyfish. Go Fucking Figure.
krisstopher07 3 months ago
Heimerdinger
Nahkranoth8 3 months ago
lmao the grandness off the issue really stalled that 3rd guy
arealhardhead 3 months ago
I disagree that overpopulation needs to become an issue. It's not like this happens in a vacuum - other technologies will advance at the same time. We can advance our ability to inhabit currently inhospitable environments, including other planets, while extending our life span.
JustAnotherHumanist 3 months ago 7
@JustAnotherHumanist not only that, but if we can live forever, then what would the point of reproduction be? we wouldn't want to, then eventually maybe wont ever need to. but there is also the chance of us starting to terraform other planets or find other nearby earthlike planets
john295 2 months ago
@john295 I've found that once you build world views off what you expect regular people to do, you're in dangerous territory. I wouldn't bet on reproduction ending - but terraforming planets will become a reality at one point, yeah.
JustAnotherHumanist 2 months ago
@john295 in fact, all case studies show that the richer and longer people live, the less children they in general have. Chances are, if we are all living to age 500, we won't even bother thinking about kids before we're 300 years old, and most might feel more than fine with just a single kid.
TokyoZeplin 1 month ago
the only problem with the man's theory that if you create an exact replica of yourself then that person is in fact yourself, is that he completely disregards consciousness, which is what sets humans apart from computers. I think, therefore I am.
ApolloKotzius 3 months ago
Immortality is possible. Time comes to a stop inside a black hole and if it were possible to avoid a black holes singularity and make it through the event horizon then it should be plausible that one can attain immortality while remaining inside the black hole. This is assuming we had the technology capable of withstanding such immense gravitational force. Some day maybe.
EWWYOURFAC3 4 months ago 3
@EWWYOURFAC3 That's not true. From an outside observer's standpoint, the person falling into the black hole appears to freeze on the event horizon of the blackhole. The person actually falling in will fall straight in and time will continue at a normal rate.
Yes, to the outside observer they will relatively have an infinite lifespan, although it won't change the person's perception that actually went into the black hole.
Krutchtacular 2 months ago
@EWWYOURFAC3 Too late for us, though.
squamish4244 1 month ago
i am immortal
MegaXXrazorXX 4 months ago
If I were offered the chance I'd live forever. It would be interesting to see what will become of the world in the end. It could be a long wait tho.
hawkman350 4 months ago
i know how to live longer jejejejejejeje just a simple ejercice
sistemoneonone 4 months ago
I think after a couple hundred years my head would go.
hawkman350 4 months ago
If given a chance to live forever? why not!!! but that's beyond the law of God.
HincorXXX 5 months ago
@HincorXXX god ? come one now.... go somewhere else with that talk.. LOL
sirgrundel 2 months ago
well, we need to solve population crisis before we can issue immortality to humans
siewmj1 5 months ago
Waiting for the future to happen makes you miss your present. The future does not exist until it becomes the present.
Elflord05rules 5 months ago
Death is a part of life. Escaping death is escaping life. Besides we are immortal since we cannot be conscious of being unconscious. so to the personally your consciousness is infinite or "immortal"
Elflord05rules 5 months ago
@Elflord05rules
nonsensical
1NX9 4 months ago
The only question I have is, how do you stop the population for getting completely out of control?
dcl32 6 months ago
@dcl32 : For immortals there would be no need to procreate... We mortals procreate now, because we need our children to carry on with what we have achieved and to learn and invent more from generation to generation. Immortals would learn and evolve forever.
zzzzTHE7SISTERSzzzz 5 months ago
@zzzzTHE7SISTERSzzzz I know, but people would still have children. You can always count on people like that. People who don't care about the good of all mankind or anything like that. But anyways, I guess you can always sterilize everyone, haha.
dcl32 5 months ago
@dcl32 more war.
ApprenticeOfAnubis 4 months ago
@ApprenticeOfAnubis Or widespread sterilization could work too.
dcl32 4 months ago
Its possible and many masters have done it.
In the 1970 at age 116 Matser Du Xi Lin of the White Cloud Monastery has transmuted his body into pure spirit and left this plane taking his body with him in front of hundreds of onlookers. He levitated in mid air , spinned fast and became a ball of light connecting with the sun at midday. He left no physical remains remains behind.
seamaverick1 6 months ago
@seamaverick1 conveniently with no cameras around to film it like every miracle throughout modern history.
freestuffetd 6 months ago
@freestuffetd Actually there are pictures of him even before the event that portray his body almost completely transparent, but if you want to know more talk to his student and now master and physician Doctor Wu at the Beijin Chinese Medical Center in Santa Monica, California 3104581788
Doctor Wu was present at the event when Master Du left this plane.
But then again if you are a skeptic you will certainly think the photos are doctored and the doctor is a lier.
seamaverick1 6 months ago
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The mere thought of what would happen if you die makes me believe that I do not want to take any chances.
flashn00b 6 months ago
"My objection to Supernatural beliefs is precisely that they miserably fail to do justice to the sublime grandeur of the real world.They represent a narrowing-down from reality, an impoverishment of what the real world has to offer." That was Richard Dawkins quote.Therefore you are an impoverished fellow, you reality view is POOR and worst ; you cannot even afford to buy some more brains. You can't help it but remain a brainedwashed fool, buying fairtales about stone-age Mystics. Monkey breed.
Neueregel 6 months ago
why should we live forever? WHY SHOULD WE NOT LIVE FOREVER?
MrJfpb 6 months ago
Ah fair enough. I can understand that.
So, what's your take on Karma?
Not in the supernatural sense, but in the here now, physical world.
You scratch my back, I scratch yours? What goes around, comes around right?
It stops me being a cunt lol.
One thing though, I'm pretty sure there is no *Hell* in Buddhism. At least not in the Christian sense. There is, as you say - reincarnation instead, and belief in Karma.
I think the main focus is to gain enlightenment here on earth. Fear isn't useful.
ExtremeBogom 6 months ago
@b1ank3t
Yeah of course, no one would want that situation because that's being killed. I actually meant death. As in after you have *passed on*.
Btw, don't you think that whatever our beliefs are, we should stop slagging each other's views off?
Pretty much 24/7 on youtube you've got people constantly putting down each others views. It makes no sense to me.
It never goes anywhere and just causes resent and bitterness.
Anyway, would I be right in thinking you are a Buddhist?
ExtremeBogom 6 months ago
Aging and longevity are two different things (Is this why vampire stories are so popular these days?) Imagine being as healthy, smart and sassy as a 35 year old, when you are 135. If more healthy older people were around with accumulated wisdom and fat bank accounts to their credit, I should think that would be a good thing all around.
tedmagnusson 6 months ago
this was one of the videos that got one of those comints
SoulReaver877 7 months ago
some one hakt my ocount a wile back and postid some werd things on sevle videos.and wen i got my acount back i reseved a lot of hate mail
SoulReaver877 7 months ago
all science has managed to do by extending lives is fill old folks homes while the their bank accounts are emptied.
oh I forgot about the big screen tvs we get to drool over.
duh, why do spiritually defunct humans FEAR death and LOVE tech/science?
these science clods with science fiction egos have never had to look after countless generations of little brats as great-great-great-grandpa.
namaste
islandbuoy4 7 months ago
@islandbuoy4 Spirituality is at least laugable, at best annoying. So is everything "new age". Do you guys try hard to keep up with anything Tech related? You remind me the Amish and the Luddites. It's not that you are Hypocrites, but a tad Retarded.
Neueregel 7 months ago
@Neueregel
you are an idiot
certified by Mr. Science himself Herr Einstein, both of these quotes are his..
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
"The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment ..."
go back to shleep neueregel
namaste
islandbuoy4 6 months ago
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Neueregel 6 months ago
@islandbuoy4
On the contrary actually. Atheists don't fear death.
Because in our minds, when it's over, it's over. there is no pain, no suffering, and certainly no hell.
ExtremeBogom 6 months ago
@ExtremeBogom
speak for yourself
you are just one useless human among billions
islandbuoy4 6 months ago
@islandbuoy4
Charming.
ExtremeBogom 6 months ago
I think the Methuselarity and Singularity are complementary ideas in so far as one solves the problem of the other; the problem being overpopulation. If indefinite lifespan were to become a reality and people wanted children they could 1) Opt out of taking such radical life extension treatments and die naturally to make way for their children or 2) At some predetermined time when their children have been reared have their consciousness uploaded to remove them from the physical world.
tallifornia90210 7 months ago
"Rough sketch" @ 1:59 is all wrong. A kid scientist(?) talking... At least the brain itself must be preserved or there is no "me". You will see...
kcartesius 7 months ago
@kcartesius You are your brain. Your brain is a network of neurons, each with a very simple, almost binary function on the smallest level. This network owes its intelligence to the shere complexity and number of connections. Therefore if you could capture every neuron, its exact state and every one of its connections then you do infact have an exact copy. The only question is, do you trust the resolution and precision of the machine? Has EVERY single neuron and connection REALLY been preserved?
JMFruitSalad 7 months ago
The only way this will ever happen in practise and have favorable results is if we begin populating worlds other than Earth. Imagine having infinite amount of space to occupy; not worrying about overcrowding, not limiting rate of reproduction, not having forced deaths etc. Just individual humans living forever and still reproducing... populating the galaxy.
mitchydee 7 months ago
what about overpopulation? I think that unfortunately we would only be able to have one child per family which would be very hard and possibly immoral law to enforce.
ToastedandTripping 7 months ago
I would like to live forever and still be in my original body not some sort of machine
MaleficDan 7 months ago
The desire to live forever is incredibly selfish. Death occurs as a natural end to an individual's life that their loss may leave space for a new individual to experience existence. This kind of endeavour displays the short-sightedness of a vast portion of the human populace, and a general lack of understanding of Cause and Effect.
ExNihilMetal 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal The desire to live forever is no more selfish than the desire to have children and grandchildren.
davidewetube 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal that's retarded, that the desire to live at all beyond having bred is selfish. Or the desire for anyone to simply die at a ripe old age is selfish. You try say you understand causality by explaining that someone dies and is replaced by another for one that's clearly not the case and show's you don't know anything about causality other than what the word itself means but not the philosophy.
gabrielcrimson 7 months ago
@gabrielcrimson
I think you should look into Vedic philosophy.
ExNihilMetal 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal Really? Vedic philosophy is the basis for your argument?lovely as quiet alot of it is i don't exactly agree with it and i'm not going to die to perpetuate what some people think might happen when we die.
gabrielcrimson 7 months ago
@gabrielcrimson
There's not really much to "agree" or "disagree" with, it's mainly a shedload of observations and logical (and correct) assumptions based on those observations. Even so, the message is less "this is what is", and more "live as if this were the case". The focus really is more on life than on death, which is what makes it such a fulfilling way of life (whereas this immortality business seems more a "way against death", rather than a "way of life" [as Death is part of Life]).
ExNihilMetal 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal There's a lot more opinion and a lot less logic than you appear to be seeing. You seem to live your life by some form of Pascal's wager. I live my life to the full and i don't intend death to be apart of it. I travel the world, I love my friends and family, I love meeting new people, i take classes on a whim just to know more and i learn stupid tricks like powerbocking, heelys ,rubik's cube.All because it's enjoyable. what other reason to life is there than living.death isn't life.
gabrielcrimson 7 months ago
@gabrielcrimson
Death is Life. We are constantly dying until we are dead. That seems precisely why you're trying to escape the end by living harder and faster than is "normal". For the record, I'm similar in my approach to life - I've become impressively good at a large number of things, and make steps every day to improve my skill at/knowledge of all things which interest me. However, the difference between us is that I am entirely comfortable with my death, and do not fear it. Fuck yeah.
ExNihilMetal 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal none of that makes sense, I don't fear death for one i just really don't want it to happen because i want to continue doing what i'm doing. The difference between us seems to simply fall on our belief system and vedas seems to be apart of that which as i said is a pascal's wager of sorts. (by the way thanks for the debate that so far has been pretty civilised without getting all 'youtubey') =D
gabrielcrimson 7 months ago
@gabrielcrimson
I wouldn't mind an extended lifespan - if it were my youth that were extended - but I would certainly never want to live forever. I think I would lose my lust for life after I'd lived through every kind of joy and hardship. As it is, I know I'm going to start failing as I get older, and I know that I will eventually be "old". When I can no longer function well enough to do good for those around me, then I will end my life, if I am not dead by then. (And yes, good debate :D)
ExNihilMetal 7 months ago
@ExNihilMetal
Dude, who isn't selfish? Why does selfishness have to be a bad thing?
BoneThugsandAKon 5 months ago 6
@BoneThugsandAKon Define selfishness.
squamish4244 5 months ago
@BoneThugsandAKon exactly. if we are immortal.. would people want to fight wars and risk dying?
sniped101 2 months ago
@sniped101
Nope.
BoneThugsandAKon 2 months ago
@BoneThugsandAKon agreed :)
sniped101 2 months ago
@sniped101 And why would they want to risk anything? The knowledge that our days are numbered propels a lot of us out into the world to take risks that add more to life. And could you imagine an immortal president? What would they go through to keep their power? History is full of examples of people who cling to power to their last breath no matter the cost. Genghis Khan sought the secret of immortality, it's a damn good thing he never found it!
squamish4244 1 month ago
@BoneThugsandAKon Because selfish people tend to be miserable people, in my experience.
squamish4244 2 months ago
@squamish4244 Dude, forget it - the notion that wanting to preserve one's life indefinitely is selfish is preposterous. Who are we being selfish towards? Future descendants? To make that argument would be to imply that hypothetical individuals who have yet to exist are more important than real individuals who CURRENTLY exist. By that logic, you should be trying to have as many babies with as many women all day, every day. And think of the countless potential people who are lost when you wank!
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Yes, denying any future descendents the chance to experience childhood and adolescence and growing up because WE want to live forever. F*** future generations, I want to live forever. Me, me, me. I didn't say future generations are more important, but they are no less. (And your wanking comment is just bizarre.) Don't tell me to forget it, either, these are legitimate questions that aren't going to go away.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 Those future generations don't exist! You're basing all these objections on these hypothetical future scenarios which MAY or MAY NOT happen. How far can we take this? What about when you spray the kitchen sink with "Mr Muscle" cleaner? Those 10 billion microbes you've just destroyed have been "denied the opportunity" to hypothetically evolve into sentient life, just like we did, in the far future. It is stupid to tailor your actions to hypotheticals as uncertain as this (continued)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa We can be 99% certain that there will be future generations, and they will be people, not microbes. DO you want to have kids? Do your friends? Do other people you know? Very likely. Do many, many people? Emphatically, yes! So, too bad for their desired children, because everyone will become immortal, and we can't risk over population.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa And I must re-emphasize, these questions are not going to go away, and I'm not the only one asking them. And a whole host of other ethical, legal, philosophical, and practical issues.
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 (continued) What if we start making ourselves immortal (to the sanguine objections of people like yourself) and then a meteor hits the Earth, wiping everything out? Was it still selfish for us to attempt to become immortal? No "future generations" were "sacrificed" in this instance, because the meteor was going to prevent the possibility of there being future generations ANYWAY! Although this is an extreme example, it makes a valid point - we CANNOT know for certain (continued2)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@hmspinaforethisisspa Excuse me for being saguine, if by sanguine you mean "challenging."
squamish4244 1 month ago
@squamish4244 By "sanguine" I mean "getting very hot under the collar about non-issues", now would you care to actually answer the points I made in (continued2) and (continued3)? Or were they too challenging for you?
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 (continued2) what the future holds, and to restrict ourselves on an issue as vital as this one on the premise that it will "deny future descendants the chance" to exist is ridiculous. It's not even as if they're already in a state where one can think of them as a "something" (e.g. like a blastocyst), the atoms from which they may be formed have not even conglomerated together into a "thing", they are scattered chaos, utterly insubstantial (continued3)
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
@squamish4244 (continued3) e.g. the molecules which may make them up are likely in flux at the moment in the upper atmosphere... would you think of the atmosphere as an unborn child? And my wanking comment was valid - if you regard potential future generations as so vitally important, then you should be trying to preserve every single spermatazoa that you produce (there are about 200-300 million in the average ejaculation), otherwise, you're a mass murderer, wasting all those potential people.
hmspinaforethisisspa 1 month ago
This guys are nobody, They just pass the message to us.
zoveia 7 months ago
one of the worst things about dying is that you dont get see what we homo sapiens do withourselves and the planet. where does our story take us? mars? imortality? totoal ecological or economic collapse? nukes? i wish to be immortal so that i may know these things
reptilianism420 7 months ago 26
@reptilianism420 but immortality is just a word. no proof or anything. We all die in the end, whether you like it or not.
HincorXXX 5 months ago
@HincorXXX
Science may have something to say about that.
Research on the causes & remedies of aging are still on going.
Genetic research, anti aging drugs, nanotechnology etc.
1NX9 5 months ago
@reptilianism420 Life is like enterig a movie theatre in the middle of the show. When you finally figure out what the movie is all about, you are told that you have to leave and can't see how the movie ends.
xXvolhvXx 5 months ago
I'd like to live forever in my very own body, like the Wolverine and other characters in fantasy. I would like my body to be "immortal" - healing instantaneously and never aging, being able to repair itself and keep the old mind (no copying it) even after an utterly fatal injury, leaving only a cell/cells on the body. I hate the idea of prolonging life by "transporting" oneself into a machine - I think that's just a mere copy of a person, ergo the original person would perish.
jigovani 8 months ago