Anton bailey what do you think about the two pictures of him looking different with his thick beard in the bmw and a thin beard in his suit at the tyson fight.
They were pictured months apart. The one where Tupac was wearing the tux and a thinner beard was from the Tyson-Bruno fight in March, 1996. The one where he was wearing blue jeans and a gold shirt with the longer beard was taken the night he got shot in September.
LOOL PEOPLE FROM ALL THE WORLD.. first america people u are sleep...they have camera everywhere and chips ...and u cant do nothing..u cant leave free...illuminati is real..and u living it..wherever.2pac after the jail..he knew about the illuminati..is he songs he said..so when u talk about illuminati u just die.. ;) ok ? see the zeitgeist..see how many people in history..they all die because they want to wake up the people..and all the world..;) we must all wake up and take our freedom..;)
But do you know how the gang members become snitches because the police tells them if they don't they will get jail time or less jail time in their own crime so some got no choice but I rather do my time
I discount heavily the theory of the crips/bloods because there are plenty of videos out there of Tupac, and even Puffy, DENOUNCING and warning about the problem that a fake E.Coast/W.Coast bullshit war would do nothing but cause distraction, and furthermore Tupac wanted to give the money around, to his community, to his family. However, it was ~ a year after he got out of Jail he was 'shot' , Suge probably didn't get much of that money yet to give Pac. I stand on picture analysis.
Man, you're so on point. No one else I know of has even had a problem with the boxed in theory relating to Suge Knight theory. It would make no difference. It sounds like part of a poorly constructed story.
That shits funny when he says "as if everybody would be able to keep their mouth shut, including these 4 WOMEN" hahaha....all women have big fuckin mouths
That comment wasn’t supposed to be sexist. I was just emphasizing the absurdity of adding four MORE people to this conspiracy which, after almost 15 years, still has not even remotely leaked.
@AntonBatey Actually I thought it was accurate. In my opinion most women can't keep a secret. I thought the tone and the way you said it was perfect. I didn't think of it as sexist rather on point and fact. I respect that u didn't mean it that way it just made me laugh because I pictured 4 women in a car partying and trying to keep a secret which would never happen. Basically u inadvertently pointed out a flaw in groups of women. I still think it's funny as hell. Props on the Vid. Enjoyed it
@AntonBatey just touching on a certain point many people have made that doesnt make too much sense to me is the 3:32 when he says pac was trying to get in the back seat thats why he took those bullets to the torso.yet when vegas police rolled up they couldnt open the door or unlatch the seat belt in suges BMW so they had suge.alot of funny shit happening here if you start researching good vid bro.peace
@AntonBatey i know bro but what i was asking u is have u heard a story of that nature.to be honest u are the first i hear personally say he was trying to get to the back seat thats why he got shot yet in famous crime scenes(i beleive,not totally positive it was that show)they say they couldnt open the door or unlatch the seatbelt.peace and great vid by the way
WRONG! I'm a LOT older than Anton. I'm the same age as Pac and Suge and let me tell you THAT THE NEWS REPORT SAID THAT 2PAC TRIED TO JUMP TO THE BACK. I REMEMBER THIS LIKE YESTERDAY. My point is this info is nothing new. Again it was on the news that 2Pac tried to jump to the back seat.
Hey, thanks for this video. I kept reading comments saying to check out "2Pac: Assassination"; but, I'm glad I watched this first. Does a lot of evidence in this murder point towards Orlando? Either way it's horrible that Tupac had to die so young.
illuminati is the power today.and 2pac days..sthey control everything..music movies..to make a culture to as..all smoke weed because rappers smoke..so 2pac talk about illuminati to the people..he want to wake up you me and everyone..but we sleep..so i believe 2 things..1 he is dead because he talk about illuminati..and second he knew .and he go away
@AntonBatey thanks for all this interviews n rebuttals ... we all appreciate it sooo much... hey its been 2 years... u hav any updates on the case?? are u gonna make a rebuttal of the second assassination movie?
@jaskamala15 you are a idiot. the case isnt solved. nobody is on anybodys dick. you dont wanna hear wtf people got say then get off the damn video. but nah u clicked it so stfu and get off our dicks! hahahahha
@gtyme125 Oh so you think no one benefited from it, and no one had a motive? So why the F*** do you think somebody killed him then, for fun? Someone planned it, and they planned it good, cause they're not locked up or dead are they?
@johannpimp123 Who really has benefited from it? Tons of people made movies, lots of music has been released, but who really benefited from it? Everybody is pointing at Suge, but look what happened to him after Pac died. He went to jail and he lost of the biggest selling record labels in the history of Hip Hop. So you tell me, how did he benefit from it? How did anyone closely related to him or the murder benefit from it? Anderson killed him, plain and simple.
@gtyme125 I would say look at the whole industry today and look at what Tupac was saying and making music about. The benefit was in getting rid of a major threat to a specific lifestyle.
I give Anton a lot of props for his hard work and relentless fight in providing all of the answers to Pacs Death..I am sure Anton is not doing this because he wants to make Suge look good.That is BS..I know you dismiss the govnt but during that era I would never brush off the power of the govnt..The govnt was growing concern of this East Coast /WC war. Never forget the Govnt never stopped surveillaning the Shakur family.. Afeni was a problem for many years.Tupac was a miliatant activit like her
I will also say this and people I love the fact so many continue to believe Tupac is alive but the truth is even the Govnt does not allow fake deaths..Witness protection yes but not fake deaths..Fake Deaths is a fairy tale in these ages.. I am sorry..I also hear that the LAPD got paid by Pac so he can fake his death . One if that is the case then the LAPD must have more power then the US Att General, The Cia, and the FBI..That is nonsence..
I am in my third yr of law school and this is one of these cases that goes either way 1)It is so difficult that as times goes on theories and opionions will change 2) There is an answer to Pacs death but law enforcement felt to keep this case on a hush..Hip Hop is a very powerful movement..This East Coast/ West Coast war was growing intense to where the Federal Govnt was putting n eye on it..When Pac and Big died I am sure it was better to keep it quiet then point fingers n risk gang rel deaths
when i was younger i believe suge had a plot to it but when you really think about it why would suge kill pac what benefit he gets from it nothing i don;t think it was assassination at all pac just got killed by whoever he was beefing with it because suge love pac and he knows pac was the money machine behind deathrow because when pac died so did deathrow
I believe that it was an assassination. Look at all the misgiven information from the autopsy. Cremated the day after he died? It's said there was a helicopter took Tupac too.
Great rebuttal. Personally I always thought that it was clear that Orlando Anderson was the shooter, but the mystery was who was behind Anderson?
I thought that maybe Suge had some kind of connection, but after hearing your examination of the evidence, I'm now convinced otherwise. I now think the shooting was what it appeared to be, direct reprisal from the fight at the casino.
I wonder whats you take on the Times stated connection between the Crips and Biggie?
THANKS FOR MAKEING THIS VID. Someone told me that one of the guys in the car with Anderson is still alive all the other dudes are dead now.What's he's name ?
I dont the dvd is not saying Suge was part of the conspiracy. They were saying Reggie and lane were part of it, hence the reason they needed to box them in.
@AntonBatey You missed the whole point of the DVD.
They clearly stated including Frank that Suge had NO IDEA that security was told not to bring their guns. Frank has stated that he doesn't think Suge was part of it. You're making rebuttals based on YOU thinking the DVD theory is saying Suge did it. Thats why they are saying the cars were Boxed in. Because Suge was not part of the plot. U need to look at the DVD again.
@AntonBatey The producers of the DVD never implied that Suge was part of it. YOU are the one saying the DVD did. What is your evidence. I just showed you 2 parts of the DVD that clearly show that they were doing the opposite.
if a windshield is hit with enough force shards of glass can be hurled at passengers. the safety soft break you speak of is true, but i've been in a car accident where i literally had glass being pulled out of my scalp. enough force sends glass places, the safety just protects the area around the force from breaking so you don't have shattered windows.
Trevon Lane should be the person of interest. Why would he run to tupac and tell him about the guy who took his chain. Why wouldnt trevon lane go after dude himself? or go to Suge or one of the big body guards. This was a setup.
@AntonBatey If he's the leader he's going to be the last person to get his hands dirty. They will do the fighting for him. U going to sit here and tell me u dont find it preculiar that out of everyone in the entourage they go to the rapper. Why wouldnt Lane go get his revenge himself?
Welp, that's what happened, now was it? Tupac heard something, approached Anderson and sucker punched him without ANYONE twisting his arm to do so. Is it really suprising that such a person would one say get killed?
@AntonBatey noone twisted his arm cuz they knew what type of person he was. If this lane dude is a so called gangsta and he got robbed and saw the person who did it but the time he had the numbers in his favor, it makes no sense for him to run to Tupac and tell em.
Seriously, I think that this person is some sort of aquaintance to Suge with the whole situation, Suge wasn't grazed with bullet fragments it was glass and he really sounds like a lawyer for suge to cover up litteraly every angle for him I truely believe that suge had something to with Tupac's death, shit all he had to do was get some professional shooters to just target Tupac and make himself look like a "real friend".
I don't know Suge Knight, nor am I a "fan" of him. Just because you don't think someone burdered someone does not mean you like the person. The shooting, also, was not professional at all. If Suge had anything to do with Tupac's death, then prove it. If you can't, you may as well believe Puffy or Biggie had him killed too.
@AntonBatey, I dont think anyone who uses common sense would think Suge was involved. As you said Suge was grazed in the head by a bullet too, not to mention the fact nobody would be crazy enough to have an assassin shoot in HIS direction with him in the car! The BIG question that this DVD brought up is did (REGGIE WRIGHT JR.) have anything to do with it.
Of course not. That's equally as silly. If he did, Suge would know about it. You think they would still be friends? Reggie owned a quarter of Death Row at a time.
people what ever in the dark gone come to light the word is go come out
nothing can stay in the dark longer without light it going be more things about this conspiracy this media's and fan go bring out the dark to light to people heart about what really happen
I'd say your video pretty much sums up the entire case as a whole. The frustrating part is that this case should have been solved 13 years ago and it doesn't look like it will ever happen. Which means that these conspiracy theories will get crazier and crazier every year that passes.
Frank Alexander pointed out something VERY interesting.........If the Black BMW would've continued down flamingo after tthe shooting, not only would that have taken them to Club 662 but there was a Hospital not 2 far from that club.
There was also a hospital in the direction Suge was going in. Also, after being shot at 14 times, panic would take over the mind for a long time afterward.
Lol, come on dude. Is it really hard to believe that Suge and some of his friends didn't orchestrate this? Especially when millions were owed to Tupac, there's your motive.
@AntonBatey I have a question... i've heard that after the shooting and Suge was released from the hospital, he went to L.A for a day and came back to vegas... why did he go back to L.A... his best friend was in a coma... thats so suspicious
For legal reasons. He wasn't really supposed to be in Vegas anyway because of his parole.
The Suge Knight killed him theory has been pretty much refuted. People who don't think so just don't know otherwise and haven't looked at or thought through the facts of what happened.
@AntonBatey last question so I can totally reject this theory in my mind... what do u think about the part from the tupac's assassination: the reckoning. where Michael Moore is talking on the phone to Frank Alexander telling him Death Row Records wants him death for talking to much??
@AntonBatey I'm stuck between him being dead or him faking his death. the reason why is because there's so many mysteries and confusions around his death that something is wrong. I've been studying his death and something is wrong it doesn't add up. I'm just sayin i watched your vid and it was pretty good but it didnt help with the mysteries surrounding his death.
@zk92000 Which conspiracy do you think is most plausible?? I've heard of illuminati and the govt killing him. But I dont know which makes the most sense.
The government/Illuminati killing Tupac theories are completely baseless and just plain stupid. For one, there is no such "secret society", and if there were, Tupac would not be targeted. He was too buy spending his time dissing other Black entrepreneurs and rappers to be focused on governmental issues.
@farrisizdaman, 2Pac was killed by the South Side Crips, namly (Orlando Anderson). Thats for sure. But, the question this DVD (2pac assassination conspiracy or revenge) brings up is, did Orando Anderson act alone? Or did someone else put him up to it? Making it a "conspiracy".
Whatever Suge had to pay off for Tupac wasn't as much as he owed him, Suge screwed Tupac out of a lot of money. Which is part of the reason I believe he is a crooked person. And with Tupac dead, Death Row would own everything Tupac recorded. That's about 300 songs from what I hear. So, Royalties? Who cares, He'd just pay it and still obtain Tupac's music which would give him more money if he put it on the market. Suge screwed a lot of people out of money.
Wrong again. The Estate actually got a higher percentage than what Tupac was going to be paid, had he stayed alive.
When people say things like that - that Suge killed Tupac because he "owed him money" - it really shows their age. Just because a person is dead does not mean that the business can get off scott-free and not have to pay an estate.
Also, Tupac's music was the property of Death Row. They paid the the equipment, studio time, etc., which amounted to millions. Just as anyone else who left Death Row, and most other record companies, the music stays with them. Artists recieve money after all other expenses are accounted for.
@AntonBatey Even if Orlando didn't have an alibi, That won't prove that he was involved in Tupac's murder.Besides, It's easy to get an alibi. Like I mentioned before, One of his friends in Vegas that night could have said that they stayed in the Treasure Island hotel for the rest of the night. There, That's an acceptable alibi. He never needed to get an alibi because the case against him never went to trial so you don't know for sure that he didn't have an alibi. He wasn't in Vegas by himself.
Of course that's not automatic proof that he did it. But he didn't have one, according to when the Shakur estate interviewed him in March, 1998 for six hours. That's one thing among others.
@AntonBatey The reason I believe informants of the same gang may have more reason to lie is because there are a lot of conflicts within gangs in Los Angeles. I understand what you mean by the informants being in the same gang so they might not be lying but, The fact that the informants are in the same gang gives them just as much reason to lie about Orlando.
Yeah, well it's both the same gang, and oppsite gang and non-gang members who heard members of the Southside Crips bragging about what they did. Informants that the Compton police used before to solve cases and ones that cops were willing to risk their own reputation for had the murder been in Compton's jurisdiction.
@AntonBatey I'm aware that people get arrested for less which I personally think is foolish and despicable. I'm not saying that I don't believe Orlando didn't take the Death Row chain, In fact, That gives Suge another motive, Thank you for pointing that out. You need more than informants to convince an educated person that Orlando was the murderer of Tupac. And actually, Informants of the same gang might have more reason to lie.
I don't understand how members of a rival gang taking a Death Row chain further implicates Suge Knight. That is backward.
And I have more than informants. But informants is a large piece. You just dismiss them because they don't go along with your ridiulous theory. What do you have? Anything? Of course not. List some informants that told police that Suge was really behind it. You act as if informants don't solve murders, especially in places like Compton.
You've answered SOME of my "points" and the answers were dumb answers that didn't prove anything. Just more thoughts and opinions. I think Suge should be a suspect because he had a motive, "Opportunity" as you like to refer to. But, Remember, I corrected myself, I don't think he actually pulled the trigger and killed Tupac. I just think he had some sort of involvement or knows more than he is telling the police. That makes him an accomplice.
So, The Crips theory you have is definatly on the same level as the Suge Theory of mine. But, I'm actually undecided between the Suge Theory and the Crips Theory. They're both logical theories and you've yet to prove that the Suge theory is unlogical. And yes, My mistake, He mentioned he could ID the driver but, Oh well. He was another thug loser and refused to help police with the crime against his so-called friend.
So no, the Crips theory is not on the same level as saying Suge did it. You haven't provided even a shred of evidence that he was behind it. It's a retarded theory that kids believe because it makes their "hero" seem more cool, and makes his death more meaningful, as opposed to the logical damn-near fact that he voluntarily jumed a Crip and got killed for it later.
And I can't believe you actually brought "Opportunity" into this discussion. Everyone who was near Tupac had an opportunity to kill him. Every car on the Vegas strip that was within shooting range of a glock had an opportunity to kill him. You claim to have spoken with the head of homicide for the city of Las Vegas..... IDC, They didn't really want to solve the murder, Remember? They were just like you and wanted simple answers to a complicated murder so they could go home in time for dinner.
They hab motive and opportunity. Suge had no motive.
And Vegas police were the ones who didn't want to officially solved the case. Compton police did. Compton police also dislike Suge so they would have exploited an opportunity to send him to jail. They're the ones who are responcible for him being found guilty for the MGM beating.
And you seriously don't know what you're talking about if you just dismiss what the LVOD thinks just because they blew off going after the killers. And "simple answers" my ass. The Suge-Killed-Tupac theory is just as simplisic, and almost as stupid as the Illuminati killed Tupac theory. According to your line of reasoning, the two theories are equally tenable.
I'm sure Orlando could have got a couple alibis if the police ever did charge him with the murder of Tupac. Since you trust thuggish informants from the streets of Compton so much, I'm sure Orlando could have gotten a couple of those crips who were in Vegas that night to alibi for him and say that they stayed in the Treasure Island Hotel for the rest of that night. And Motive? LOL, Suge had a motive too. Suge owed Tupac millions of dollars. That sounds like the perfect motive to me.
If you're refering to the glock found in Orlando's house in Compton then that's not evidence. I'm sure there are plenty of people with glocks in their possession. The police can't link that particular glock to the murder scene. Wow, There you go with informants again, You must think informants are just the gold trophy. Neither you nor the officers you claim to have spoken to can be sure the informants are trustworthy. They're THUGS on the streets.
People are often arrested for much lesser evidence that possessing a gun found that shot someone int he same house where they found the Death Row chain.
And yes, informants solve crimes. Especially when they are informants that are in the same gang as the accused.
@AntonBatey He did say that he could ID the shooter. Why else would the police ask him for information on the crime against Tupac? The police already knew about the cars, scene and most of the people involved in the incident. The only thing the police really needed was someone to ID the shooter(s). Yeah, I no longer care about Kadafi's murder since I'm convinced that he wasn't going to inform the police on what he saw. So, He was just another thug on the streets.
I have answered all your "points" dozens of times, so just look through the comments in my videos. Either do that, or sumbit to me a 1,000 word essay on why you think Suge Knight should be a suspect, provide sources and official statements.
@AntonBatey You should have an open mind about the murder of Tupac because you have absolutly no evidence against Orlando. You have nothing to prove that he was involved in the crime of killing Tupac. All you have are educated thoughts and opinions. And other people have educated thoughts and opinions as well, They just have a seperate theory. And you're not the only one who has studied Tupac's murder in depth.
Of course there is more evidence. We have a murder weapon, informants of the men who have implicated the men involved, no alibis for those pretty much known to be involved, motive, opportunity, etc. I have spoken with the head of homocide of Vegas, Daniel Long as well as Wayne Petersen, BRent Becker and Mike Franks.
So don't even try to claim that the Crips theory, which is the only tenable one, is even remotely on the same level as the stupid one you're talking about.
@AntonBatey The reason I claim that the Orlando killing Tupac out of retaliation is a theory is because you have no evidence. IDK why you keep claiming you have evidence to prove that Orlando is the killer when you don't have shit on Orlando. And neither do the police which is why he was never charged with the murder of Tupac. So because there is no evidence against Orlando in the murder of Tupac, It's just another thepry you have.
Orlando's involvement in Tupac's death is a THEORY. I admit, It does have logic but, If you'd stop being so stubborn and had an open mind, You'd understand why I think Suge had SOME TYPE of involvement in Tupac's muder. I'm not saying that Suge pulled the trigger nor am I technically saying he planned the murder. I do believe that Suge knows something that we don't about the murder and refuses to inform the police which makes me believe that he was an accomplice.
@AntonBatey I can believe that Kadafi wasn't really going to confirm what he saw the night Tupac was shot in Las Vegas because he did have some time to contact the police but, He didn't. So I agree with you. And when did I mention that Suge killed Tupac because he was leaving Death Row? No one can actually prove that Tupac was leaving Death Row. Suge being "Bad" doesn't make a case against him either. So, Those aren't why I think Suge had some form of involvement in the death of Tupac.
@AntonBatey I think some of the officers in the Compton Police Department actually were interested in solving the crime against Tupac as well. But, The crime still isn't solved so we can never know for sure can we? I already read about Tupac's death but, I assume you mean actual books on his death so sir, I'll take your advice on that. I already watch your interviews about Tupac's death.
@AntonBatey I understand why you shouldn't rule out informants but, You mention them as if their statement(s) about Orlando's role in the death of Tupac alone will prove that Orlando was/is guilty of the crime against Tupac. And don't come to the conclusion that I don't trust informats just because in the "Hip Hop World" they're considered to be snitches. That's not what I'm considering. I'm just wondering if we can trust the informants.
@AntonBatey No, I'm positive that Tupac was shot four times in Las Vegas. And what makes you think people who believe Suge was involved don't need to provide any proof of Suge's involvement in the crime against Tupac? And saying Orlando killed Tupac is just another theory, What solid facts do you have that proves Orlando was involved in the death of Tupac? I'm guessing..... You have no proof of Orlando's involvement in the crime.
@1HundredPercentReal You sure? From my understanding, Kadafi's death was an accident. Some people claim that a cousin of Naplolean was drunk/high and accidently shot Kadafi and killed him. I can believe that Kadafi wasn't going to actually identify the shooter because he had some time to do it but, Never did even before his death. And the fact that he left back to New Jersey so soon makes it obvious to me that he didn't plan on helping the police solve the crime.
@AntonBatey I care that Suge should still be a suspect so that's who cares. You stated that I have yet to prove that Suge was involved, However, I was just responding to your statements about him not being involved. You just have opinions about his actions. You can never be sure about what Suge's intentions are so you can't ever know for sure because you're not Suge. Tupac's death was/is meaningful to me. I don't need a theory to admit that.
@AntonBatey Kadafi didn't return a call to the police because HE WAS DEAD. And that's true, I can't prove the four women were involved and neither could the police. But, I didn't agree with why you thought they weren't involved. And like I mentioned before, You seem to just want simple answers. If this case was so simple, I'm sure the police would have been able to solve it, Unless they're more ignorant than I think they are.
And no, what I'm saying about Tupac's death is more complex.
What you're saying is simplistic, which is why it appeals to so many kids and uneducated people: Suge killed Tupac. Why? Because he's bad and Tupac was leaving Death Row. End of story.
The murder itself IS simple: Tupac jumped a Crip and they killed him later. The evidence we have points to that, as does logic. Going after him, the investigation is more complex.
@TheEvilManiac Yak was killed by Roddy Beale, he was the cousin of former Outlaw Mutah "Napolean" Beale. He died off street shit, he owed Roddy money and dude went to the housing complex Kadafi was staying at and shot him point blank in the head. Kadafi died randomly from Pac it just so happens that he stepped up and said he could identify the shooter, but contrary to a lot of reports Kadafi wasn't going to finger the guy that's why he didn't stick around after 2pac died and he left for Jersey.
@AntonBatey You can't always trust informants. Maybe those people had something against Orlando besides the killing of Tupac and they just wanted him in jail. Until they can actually prove that Orlando was involved then they have no case. Like you mentioned before, People are innocent until proven guilty. You think Orlando is guilty just because some thugs said he was? Lol. You seem to have a lot of faith in the police, If Orlando was guilty, Why couldn't the police charge him with the crime?
I know you can't always trust informants, but you can't always rule them out either, which is what people like you do because in the hip hop world, they're "snitches".
And the police did want to solve the case: Compton police. Vegas police didn't.
Listen to more of my interview please, and read more literature on the subject.
@AntonBatey Tupac was actually shot four times on the day he was fatally shot. And you seem like the type of person who just wants simple answers when the answers are not always simple. It's easy to just say Orlando killed Tupac and just be done with the case. You remind me of a police officer who just wants to hurry up and go home for dinner.
And saying Anderson killed Tupac is more complex. People who say Knight did it are the ones who don't have to provide any proof, so that comment is directed at yourself.
@AntonBatey I don't think that Suge meant to use Tupac as a shield. I think he was more focused on protecting himself. If Tupac successfully made it to the backseat, Most of the bullets would have hit Suge instead. IDK why you're trying to make Suge out to be a "Protector". Suge was/is about business. He claims that he loved Tupac and he probably did but, I don't think he loved Tupac enough to die for him. Which is why I think he pulled Tupac.
@AntonBatey I don't necessarily believe that Suge used Tupac as a shield but, I don't believe he was trying to help him either. And in the comment I wrote about Suge being a suspect until you or someone else proves otherwise, I meant that Suge was a suspect to ME. Technically, He's not a suspect. I was just stating that until someone can give me a reason to believe otherwise, I won't change my mind about his involvement.
Suge grabbed him and covered him. Not the actions of someone who was in on it.
And who cares if he's a suspect to you. You have yet to produce a single reason he is suspected other than the fact that this theory makes Tupac's death more meaningful to you probably.
@AntonBatey I have it backward? I gave reasons why Suge should still be a suspect. I don't care that he got grazed in the head. That's nothing compared to Tupac's injuries. I think some people don't believe Suge was involved just because he was grazed in the head. Which is probably what Suge would want people to believe if he really did plan the whole thing. Only foolish people just completely rule him out as a suspect.
Yes, you do have it backward. Unless you have evidence. Saying something that does not seem likely, and brushing it off by saying what you said (" Suge would want people to believe if he really did plan the whole thing") is playing it both sides, so I can't win with you. If Suge were to do the opposite, it would suggest his guilt. If he does what he did, he did it to make it look like he didn't do it.
@AntonBatey You're hilarious though, The ending was quite amusing. LOL
Hell No! Lol
Hilarious
I think Suge Knight should still be a suspect (And I know what I wrote as a comment on the video before but, I change my mind) I can't help by think Suge was involved. You changed my mind about a motive I thought Suge had but, He had other motives.
And in my other comment, I meant "Suge SHOULD be a suspect", Technically, Suge is not a suspect.
You have a it backward. People are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
NOBODY serious things Suge is suspect for the obvious reasons. Only kids on te internet think he was involved because saying that Crips killed Tupac makes their idol seem like he did something wrong by sucker punching a Crip. Until someone gives evidence that Suge was involved - which is impossible - he shouldn't be a suspect.
#5 Tupac tried to go to the backseat of the vehical to avoid the bullets. You think Suge held Tupac to protect them both. I think Suge grabbed Tupac and pretty much forced Tupac to take the bullets as they came. If Tupac succussfully made it to the backseat, It's possible that he wouldn't have been murdered during that incident. So, Keeping all that in mind. Suge is still a suspect until you or somebody else succussfully proves otherwise.
Oh goodness, you're one of those people saying that Suge used Tupac as a shield? Yeah, a 330 pounder will isa an 155 pounder an a shield. It was when Tupac was getting in the back seat where he recieved the deadly bullet. Suge grabed him and covered him, but the damage was already done to Tupac. So the shots Tupac sustained came before Suge grabed him.
#3. Most of the bullets were shot through the door of the passenger side of the vehical. So, It's obvious that the target was Tupac. The bullets would need to go through Tupac to hit Suge (Not to mention, The bullets already had to go through the door of the vehical)
#4. Suge lied about the bullet just grazing him in the head. He said in an interview and I quote "I have a bullet still stuck in my head". That wasn't true. He was only grazed, As you mentioned in the video.
Ummm, yeah, there will be more bullets in the passenger's side because that's the side that the shooters pulled up on, lol. But Tupac only got hit by 2 or 3 of the 14 bullets. That's only about 20%. Suge got grazed in the head and had to get fragments removed from his head on the night of the shooting. I have spoken to his doctor. So did Cathy Scott. Suge was hyperbolizing his wounds, the same way Tupac did in the 1994 shooting.
#2. Suge wouldn't "Slip out the door" while the bullets were being fired because some people would have seen that and that would either be considered suspicious or a better understanding of the type of person he was. If some people thought Suge was crooked then, It'd be a known fact after he'd just leave Tupac in the car by himself getting shot at.
@AntonBatey I find a couple things wrong with your explaining that Suge wasn't involved in the murder of Tupac. #1. Suge wouldn't have worn a bulletproof vest because that would be suspicious. You must take Tupac to be a stupid person & he's not. If you were riding in a car with someone and they had a bulletproof vest on what would be a logical explanation?
@AntonBatey Even though I disagree with a few statements you made during the video and a comment or two about the video, You still made some valid points about the murder and some of the issues the movie claimed. So, Thanks again.
Anton bailey what do you think about the two pictures of him looking different with his thick beard in the bmw and a thin beard in his suit at the tyson fight.
LEONCORTS 7 months ago
@LEONCORTS
They were pictured months apart. The one where Tupac was wearing the tux and a thinner beard was from the Tyson-Bruno fight in March, 1996. The one where he was wearing blue jeans and a gold shirt with the longer beard was taken the night he got shot in September.
AntonBatey 7 months ago
In some songs after death he says " Plotin 6 months in advanced "
pajo50 8 months ago
LOOL PEOPLE FROM ALL THE WORLD.. first america people u are sleep...they have camera everywhere and chips ...and u cant do nothing..u cant leave free...illuminati is real..and u living it..wherever.2pac after the jail..he knew about the illuminati..is he songs he said..so when u talk about illuminati u just die.. ;) ok ? see the zeitgeist..see how many people in history..they all die because they want to wake up the people..and all the world..;) we must all wake up and take our freedom..;)
bostonogiwrgis 8 months ago
But do you know how the gang members become snitches because the police tells them if they don't they will get jail time or less jail time in their own crime so some got no choice but I rather do my time
killergerm5 9 months ago
I discount heavily the theory of the crips/bloods because there are plenty of videos out there of Tupac, and even Puffy, DENOUNCING and warning about the problem that a fake E.Coast/W.Coast bullshit war would do nothing but cause distraction, and furthermore Tupac wanted to give the money around, to his community, to his family. However, it was ~ a year after he got out of Jail he was 'shot' , Suge probably didn't get much of that money yet to give Pac. I stand on picture analysis.
shadowmyfeet 9 months ago
Man, you're so on point. No one else I know of has even had a problem with the boxed in theory relating to Suge Knight theory. It would make no difference. It sounds like part of a poorly constructed story.
shadowmyfeet 9 months ago
So who did it then? Did you create a documentary investigating that?
whatthafahk 11 months ago
That shits funny when he says "as if everybody would be able to keep their mouth shut, including these 4 WOMEN" hahaha....all women have big fuckin mouths
hiphopguru81 11 months ago
@hiphopguru81
That comment wasn’t supposed to be sexist. I was just emphasizing the absurdity of adding four MORE people to this conspiracy which, after almost 15 years, still has not even remotely leaked.
AntonBatey 11 months ago
@AntonBatey Actually I thought it was accurate. In my opinion most women can't keep a secret. I thought the tone and the way you said it was perfect. I didn't think of it as sexist rather on point and fact. I respect that u didn't mean it that way it just made me laugh because I pictured 4 women in a car partying and trying to keep a secret which would never happen. Basically u inadvertently pointed out a flaw in groups of women. I still think it's funny as hell. Props on the Vid. Enjoyed it
hiphopguru81 11 months ago
@hiphopguru81
lol.
I just listened to is for the first time in years and you're right, it does sound kinda funny. lol
AntonBatey 11 months ago
@AntonBatey just touching on a certain point many people have made that doesnt make too much sense to me is the 3:32 when he says pac was trying to get in the back seat thats why he took those bullets to the torso.yet when vegas police rolled up they couldnt open the door or unlatch the seat belt in suges BMW so they had suge.alot of funny shit happening here if you start researching good vid bro.peace
12jahwarrior 7 months ago
@12jahwarrior
Well, that's actually me talking here. But yeah, Tupac tried getting in the back seat, and that is what killed him.
Thanks for the comment.
AntonBatey 7 months ago
@AntonBatey i know bro but what i was asking u is have u heard a story of that nature.to be honest u are the first i hear personally say he was trying to get to the back seat thats why he got shot yet in famous crime scenes(i beleive,not totally positive it was that show)they say they couldnt open the door or unlatch the seatbelt.peace and great vid by the way
12jahwarrior 6 months ago
@12jahwarrior
Thanks. And it's not disputed that he was trying to get to the back seat.
AntonBatey 6 months ago
@12jahwarrior
WRONG! I'm a LOT older than Anton. I'm the same age as Pac and Suge and let me tell you THAT THE NEWS REPORT SAID THAT 2PAC TRIED TO JUMP TO THE BACK. I REMEMBER THIS LIKE YESTERDAY. My point is this info is nothing new. Again it was on the news that 2Pac tried to jump to the back seat.
MrRebuttal 2 weeks ago
@hiphopguru81 lol So true.
shadowmyfeet 9 months ago
Hey, thanks for this video. I kept reading comments saying to check out "2Pac: Assassination"; but, I'm glad I watched this first. Does a lot of evidence in this murder point towards Orlando? Either way it's horrible that Tupac had to die so young.
Seanz1lla 11 months ago
Eminem RIP.
CodeyBristoI 11 months ago
1972 - 2011 RIP.
IsEminemDead 11 months ago 2
Eminem RIP.
FiftyCentbitchgunit 11 months ago 3
1972 - 2011.
EminemRestInPeace 11 months ago 6
Breaking News: Eminem dead at 38, 1972 - 2011.
MediaNewsReporter 11 months ago 5
@MediaNewsReporter your a lier
juhgug 11 months ago
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illuminati is the power today.and 2pac days..sthey control everything..music movies..to make a culture to as..all smoke weed because rappers smoke..so 2pac talk about illuminati to the people..he want to wake up you me and everyone..but we sleep..so i believe 2 things..1 he is dead because he talk about illuminati..and second he knew .and he go away
bostonogiwrgis 1 year ago
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@bostonogiwrgis
But Tupac didn't believe in the Illuminati. Neither do I. It's sorta a new, teenager thing on the net.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey thanks for all this interviews n rebuttals ... we all appreciate it sooo much... hey its been 2 years... u hav any updates on the case?? are u gonna make a rebuttal of the second assassination movie?
Thanks!!
tupacleo88 1 year ago
@tupacleo88 ???
WhoMurderTupac 11 months ago 8
@WhoMurderTupac there is a sequel of tupac: assasination movie, u know that... called Tupac Reckoning
tupacleo88 11 months ago
@tupacleo88
........which was essentially the same as the first.
AntonBatey 11 months ago
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@WhoMurderTupac there is a sequel of tupac: assassination movie, u know that... called Tupac Reckoning
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bostonogiwrgis 1 year ago
HE"S DEAD . FUCK GET OFF HIS DICK
jaskamala15 1 year ago
@jaskamala15 you are a idiot. the case isnt solved. nobody is on anybodys dick. you dont wanna hear wtf people got say then get off the damn video. but nah u clicked it so stfu and get off our dicks! hahahahha
4everliam 1 year ago
so you think it was orlando or what? your mad confusin
3iLLegal1Empire5 1 year ago
I really Want to believe there was a Conspiracy....But I have to know..
Who Benefited from Tupac's death? Wheres the Motive?
gtyme125 1 year ago
@gtyme125 Oh so you think no one benefited from it, and no one had a motive? So why the F*** do you think somebody killed him then, for fun? Someone planned it, and they planned it good, cause they're not locked up or dead are they?
johannpimp123 1 year ago
@johannpimp123
Because of what Tupac did a few hours earlier.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@johannpimp123 Who really has benefited from it? Tons of people made movies, lots of music has been released, but who really benefited from it? Everybody is pointing at Suge, but look what happened to him after Pac died. He went to jail and he lost of the biggest selling record labels in the history of Hip Hop. So you tell me, how did he benefit from it? How did anyone closely related to him or the murder benefit from it? Anderson killed him, plain and simple.
Poeticexpressnz 9 months ago
@gtyme125 I would say look at the whole industry today and look at what Tupac was saying and making music about. The benefit was in getting rid of a major threat to a specific lifestyle.
shadowmyfeet 9 months ago
this was great,many thanks for puting it 2gether
adeellime 1 year ago
I give Anton a lot of props for his hard work and relentless fight in providing all of the answers to Pacs Death..I am sure Anton is not doing this because he wants to make Suge look good.That is BS..I know you dismiss the govnt but during that era I would never brush off the power of the govnt..The govnt was growing concern of this East Coast /WC war. Never forget the Govnt never stopped surveillaning the Shakur family.. Afeni was a problem for many years.Tupac was a miliatant activit like her
MATHEW1977100 1 year ago
I will also say this and people I love the fact so many continue to believe Tupac is alive but the truth is even the Govnt does not allow fake deaths..Witness protection yes but not fake deaths..Fake Deaths is a fairy tale in these ages.. I am sorry..I also hear that the LAPD got paid by Pac so he can fake his death . One if that is the case then the LAPD must have more power then the US Att General, The Cia, and the FBI..That is nonsence..
MATHEW1977100 1 year ago
I am in my third yr of law school and this is one of these cases that goes either way 1)It is so difficult that as times goes on theories and opionions will change 2) There is an answer to Pacs death but law enforcement felt to keep this case on a hush..Hip Hop is a very powerful movement..This East Coast/ West Coast war was growing intense to where the Federal Govnt was putting n eye on it..When Pac and Big died I am sure it was better to keep it quiet then point fingers n risk gang rel deaths
MATHEW1977100 1 year ago
This is interesting ! Like the saying goes," Telling the TRUTH in a midst of lies is REVOLUTIONARY ! "
cirethgr8 1 year ago
when i was younger i believe suge had a plot to it but when you really think about it why would suge kill pac what benefit he gets from it nothing i don;t think it was assassination at all pac just got killed by whoever he was beefing with it because suge love pac and he knows pac was the money machine behind deathrow because when pac died so did deathrow
poetmm 1 year ago
I believe that it was an assassination. Look at all the misgiven information from the autopsy. Cremated the day after he died? It's said there was a helicopter took Tupac too.
NRevo790 1 year ago
Anyone who believes suge killed tupac is a fucking idiot.
Notasheep187 1 year ago
Great rebuttal. Personally I always thought that it was clear that Orlando Anderson was the shooter, but the mystery was who was behind Anderson?
I thought that maybe Suge had some kind of connection, but after hearing your examination of the evidence, I'm now convinced otherwise. I now think the shooting was what it appeared to be, direct reprisal from the fight at the casino.
I wonder whats you take on the Times stated connection between the Crips and Biggie?
St0l3n 1 year ago
THANKS FOR MAKEING THIS VID. Someone told me that one of the guys in the car with Anderson is still alive all the other dudes are dead now.What's he's name ?
darealpapac 1 year ago
I dont the dvd is not saying Suge was part of the conspiracy. They were saying Reggie and lane were part of it, hence the reason they needed to box them in.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
The people who made the DVD think Suge did it. And the Reggie Wright theory is even more retarded and insane.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You missed the whole point of the DVD.
They clearly stated including Frank that Suge had NO IDEA that security was told not to bring their guns. Frank has stated that he doesn't think Suge was part of it. You're making rebuttals based on YOU thinking the DVD theory is saying Suge did it. Thats why they are saying the cars were Boxed in. Because Suge was not part of the plot. U need to look at the DVD again.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
Talk to the producers of the DVD.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey The producers of the DVD never implied that Suge was part of it. YOU are the one saying the DVD did. What is your evidence. I just showed you 2 parts of the DVD that clearly show that they were doing the opposite.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
I've talked to Bond and Alexander, and they both believe Suge was behind it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey suge didnt kill tupac
Notasheep187 1 year ago
if a windshield is hit with enough force shards of glass can be hurled at passengers. the safety soft break you speak of is true, but i've been in a car accident where i literally had glass being pulled out of my scalp. enough force sends glass places, the safety just protects the area around the force from breaking so you don't have shattered windows.
wiparker824 1 year ago
You did a very good job with this. Terrific analyzing, you caught way more things than I did. Who do you think pulled the trigger though?
Eaglekid34 1 year ago
there is no 40 mm glock, a 40 mm is a cannon shot massive round, you wanted to say .40 cal
autonomousthrace 1 year ago
no keys in the car?
supremeson100 1 year ago
awesome vid. ur a great narrator.
TheMYERSFAN25 1 year ago
Would u mind showing me where u found the information on the informents?
Paremco 1 year ago
wow anton, you solved 2pacs murder basically......so orlando anderson shot him?
SureShotSav 1 year ago
@garner000
I don't believe any such group exists.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey then why did 2pac and thousands of others in rap and other music refer to the illuminati?
SureShotSav 1 year ago
Trevon Lane should be the person of interest. Why would he run to tupac and tell him about the guy who took his chain. Why wouldnt trevon lane go after dude himself? or go to Suge or one of the big body guards. This was a setup.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
Because Tupac was the leader of an entourage.
It was no setup.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey If he's the leader he's going to be the last person to get his hands dirty. They will do the fighting for him. U going to sit here and tell me u dont find it preculiar that out of everyone in the entourage they go to the rapper. Why wouldnt Lane go get his revenge himself?
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
Welp, that's what happened, now was it? Tupac heard something, approached Anderson and sucker punched him without ANYONE twisting his arm to do so. Is it really suprising that such a person would one say get killed?
Didn't think so....
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey noone twisted his arm cuz they knew what type of person he was. If this lane dude is a so called gangsta and he got robbed and saw the person who did it but the time he had the numbers in his favor, it makes no sense for him to run to Tupac and tell em.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
If Tupac was the type of person you say he was then why is it so hard to believe he would one day get killed?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
*day
AntonBatey 1 year ago
Seriously, I think that this person is some sort of aquaintance to Suge with the whole situation, Suge wasn't grazed with bullet fragments it was glass and he really sounds like a lawyer for suge to cover up litteraly every angle for him I truely believe that suge had something to with Tupac's death, shit all he had to do was get some professional shooters to just target Tupac and make himself look like a "real friend".
realness5 1 year ago
@realness5
I don't know Suge Knight, nor am I a "fan" of him. Just because you don't think someone burdered someone does not mean you like the person. The shooting, also, was not professional at all. If Suge had anything to do with Tupac's death, then prove it. If you can't, you may as well believe Puffy or Biggie had him killed too.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
this guy here had something to do with it.....see how he's is tryin his best to prove his point..
understand bro
samoanprince34 1 year ago
@samoanprince34
lol, that's a good one.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey, I dont think anyone who uses common sense would think Suge was involved. As you said Suge was grazed in the head by a bullet too, not to mention the fact nobody would be crazy enough to have an assassin shoot in HIS direction with him in the car! The BIG question that this DVD brought up is did (REGGIE WRIGHT JR.) have anything to do with it.
zk92000 1 year ago
@zk92000
Of course not. That's equally as silly. If he did, Suge would know about it. You think they would still be friends? Reggie owned a quarter of Death Row at a time.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey now show me what evidence you have that Reggie owned a quarter of Death Row.
urbanflavorz 1 year ago
@urbanflavorz
Read Randall Sullivan's book.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
We All miss Pac, but we still keep him in our memories everyday all day.
R.I.P
dahardhitta 1 year ago
people what ever in the dark gone come to light the word is go come out
nothing can stay in the dark longer without light it going be more things about this conspiracy this media's and fan go bring out the dark to light to people heart about what really happen
18moneyearned 1 year ago
so are you saying Tupac's murder
was random??? just saying
r.i.p. Tupac, ur my hero!!!
HmongLovepho 1 year ago
I'd say your video pretty much sums up the entire case as a whole. The frustrating part is that this case should have been solved 13 years ago and it doesn't look like it will ever happen. Which means that these conspiracy theories will get crazier and crazier every year that passes.
AJGoodfella7 1 year ago
Frank Alexander pointed out something VERY interesting.........If the Black BMW would've continued down flamingo after tthe shooting, not only would that have taken them to Club 662 but there was a Hospital not 2 far from that club.
Nevermind7771 1 year ago
There was also a hospital in the direction Suge was going in. Also, after being shot at 14 times, panic would take over the mind for a long time afterward.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey
Lol, come on dude. Is it really hard to believe that Suge and some of his friends didn't orchestrate this? Especially when millions were owed to Tupac, there's your motive.
tigerfan6317 1 year ago
@tigerfan6317
That's not a motive. There are estates.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I have a question... i've heard that after the shooting and Suge was released from the hospital, he went to L.A for a day and came back to vegas... why did he go back to L.A... his best friend was in a coma... thats so suspicious
tupacleo88 1 year ago
For legal reasons. He wasn't really supposed to be in Vegas anyway because of his parole.
The Suge Knight killed him theory has been pretty much refuted. People who don't think so just don't know otherwise and haven't looked at or thought through the facts of what happened.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey last question so I can totally reject this theory in my mind... what do u think about the part from the tupac's assassination: the reckoning. where Michael Moore is talking on the phone to Frank Alexander telling him Death Row Records wants him death for talking to much??
tupacleo88 1 year ago
@AntonBatey man that pic taken which is claimed to be pac's last pic,did u notice that,there are no keys in the car?????
livordie4eelam 1 year ago
@livordie4eelam
They were being pulled over by the bike cops while the picture was taken.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I'm stuck between him being dead or him faking his death. the reason why is because there's so many mysteries and confusions around his death that something is wrong. I've been studying his death and something is wrong it doesn't add up. I'm just sayin i watched your vid and it was pretty good but it didnt help with the mysteries surrounding his death.
farrisizdaman 1 year ago
@farrisizdaman, 2Pacs definitely dead. the only question here is - "was there a conspiracy, or did Orlando Anderson really just act alone"?
Thats really the main question.
zk92000 1 year ago
@zk92000 Which conspiracy do you think is most plausible?? I've heard of illuminati and the govt killing him. But I dont know which makes the most sense.
farrisizdaman 1 year ago
The government/Illuminati killing Tupac theories are completely baseless and just plain stupid. For one, there is no such "secret society", and if there were, Tupac would not be targeted. He was too buy spending his time dissing other Black entrepreneurs and rappers to be focused on governmental issues.
Tupac was killed by Crips.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@farrisizdaman, 2Pac was killed by the South Side Crips, namly (Orlando Anderson). Thats for sure. But, the question this DVD (2pac assassination conspiracy or revenge) brings up is, did Orando Anderson act alone? Or did someone else put him up to it? Making it a "conspiracy".
zk92000 1 year ago
@farrisizdaman, the illuminati had nothing to do with it at all.
zk92000 1 year ago
If you know so much about Tupac's death, I suggest you become a cop and solve that shit because its about time.
udontgnomiebeee 1 year ago
Whatever Suge had to pay off for Tupac wasn't as much as he owed him, Suge screwed Tupac out of a lot of money. Which is part of the reason I believe he is a crooked person. And with Tupac dead, Death Row would own everything Tupac recorded. That's about 300 songs from what I hear. So, Royalties? Who cares, He'd just pay it and still obtain Tupac's music which would give him more money if he put it on the market. Suge screwed a lot of people out of money.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Wrong again. The Estate actually got a higher percentage than what Tupac was going to be paid, had he stayed alive.
When people say things like that - that Suge killed Tupac because he "owed him money" - it really shows their age. Just because a person is dead does not mean that the business can get off scott-free and not have to pay an estate.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Once again your right
MrAbaddon911 1 year ago
Also, Tupac's music was the property of Death Row. They paid the the equipment, studio time, etc., which amounted to millions. Just as anyone else who left Death Row, and most other record companies, the music stays with them. Artists recieve money after all other expenses are accounted for.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@TheEvilManiac The soucre mag march 1996 is 2pac free,
2pac had the same deal as 50 cent 1mill to sign to D.R.
suge got 2pac mom house in ATL, post bail 1.4 mill.
MrLuciferstar 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Even if Orlando didn't have an alibi, That won't prove that he was involved in Tupac's murder.Besides, It's easy to get an alibi. Like I mentioned before, One of his friends in Vegas that night could have said that they stayed in the Treasure Island hotel for the rest of the night. There, That's an acceptable alibi. He never needed to get an alibi because the case against him never went to trial so you don't know for sure that he didn't have an alibi. He wasn't in Vegas by himself.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Of course that's not automatic proof that he did it. But he didn't have one, according to when the Shakur estate interviewed him in March, 1998 for six hours. That's one thing among others.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey The reason I believe informants of the same gang may have more reason to lie is because there are a lot of conflicts within gangs in Los Angeles. I understand what you mean by the informants being in the same gang so they might not be lying but, The fact that the informants are in the same gang gives them just as much reason to lie about Orlando.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Yeah, well it's both the same gang, and oppsite gang and non-gang members who heard members of the Southside Crips bragging about what they did. Informants that the Compton police used before to solve cases and ones that cops were willing to risk their own reputation for had the murder been in Compton's jurisdiction.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@TheEvilManiac
I'll say this again, please read through my comments. I have repeated all this crap so much it probably looks like I'm copying and pasting it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I'm aware that people get arrested for less which I personally think is foolish and despicable. I'm not saying that I don't believe Orlando didn't take the Death Row chain, In fact, That gives Suge another motive, Thank you for pointing that out. You need more than informants to convince an educated person that Orlando was the murderer of Tupac. And actually, Informants of the same gang might have more reason to lie.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
I don't understand how members of a rival gang taking a Death Row chain further implicates Suge Knight. That is backward.
And I have more than informants. But informants is a large piece. You just dismiss them because they don't go along with your ridiulous theory. What do you have? Anything? Of course not. List some informants that told police that Suge was really behind it. You act as if informants don't solve murders, especially in places like Compton.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
You've answered SOME of my "points" and the answers were dumb answers that didn't prove anything. Just more thoughts and opinions. I think Suge should be a suspect because he had a motive, "Opportunity" as you like to refer to. But, Remember, I corrected myself, I don't think he actually pulled the trigger and killed Tupac. I just think he had some sort of involvement or knows more than he is telling the police. That makes him an accomplice.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Because I don't care as much. Every thing you've said so far I have asnwered at least 20, 30 times the past couple years.
If he had involvement, you have to prove it.
Oh, that's right. You can't.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
So, The Crips theory you have is definatly on the same level as the Suge Theory of mine. But, I'm actually undecided between the Suge Theory and the Crips Theory. They're both logical theories and you've yet to prove that the Suge theory is unlogical. And yes, My mistake, He mentioned he could ID the driver but, Oh well. He was another thug loser and refused to help police with the crime against his so-called friend.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
So no, the Crips theory is not on the same level as saying Suge did it. You haven't provided even a shred of evidence that he was behind it. It's a retarded theory that kids believe because it makes their "hero" seem more cool, and makes his death more meaningful, as opposed to the logical damn-near fact that he voluntarily jumed a Crip and got killed for it later.
So yeah, try a lot harder.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
And I can't believe you actually brought "Opportunity" into this discussion. Everyone who was near Tupac had an opportunity to kill him. Every car on the Vegas strip that was within shooting range of a glock had an opportunity to kill him. You claim to have spoken with the head of homicide for the city of Las Vegas..... IDC, They didn't really want to solve the murder, Remember? They were just like you and wanted simple answers to a complicated murder so they could go home in time for dinner.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
They hab motive and opportunity. Suge had no motive.
And Vegas police were the ones who didn't want to officially solved the case. Compton police did. Compton police also dislike Suge so they would have exploited an opportunity to send him to jail. They're the ones who are responcible for him being found guilty for the MGM beating.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
And you seriously don't know what you're talking about if you just dismiss what the LVOD thinks just because they blew off going after the killers. And "simple answers" my ass. The Suge-Killed-Tupac theory is just as simplisic, and almost as stupid as the Illuminati killed Tupac theory. According to your line of reasoning, the two theories are equally tenable.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
I'm sure Orlando could have got a couple alibis if the police ever did charge him with the murder of Tupac. Since you trust thuggish informants from the streets of Compton so much, I'm sure Orlando could have gotten a couple of those crips who were in Vegas that night to alibi for him and say that they stayed in the Treasure Island Hotel for the rest of that night. And Motive? LOL, Suge had a motive too. Suge owed Tupac millions of dollars. That sounds like the perfect motive to me.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
He didn't have an alibi.
And estates recieve royalities. Tupac died 7 months after All Eyez On Me and it usually takes 12-18 month to get paid off an album formally.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
If you're refering to the glock found in Orlando's house in Compton then that's not evidence. I'm sure there are plenty of people with glocks in their possession. The police can't link that particular glock to the murder scene. Wow, There you go with informants again, You must think informants are just the gold trophy. Neither you nor the officers you claim to have spoken to can be sure the informants are trustworthy. They're THUGS on the streets.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
People are often arrested for much lesser evidence that possessing a gun found that shot someone int he same house where they found the Death Row chain.
And yes, informants solve crimes. Especially when they are informants that are in the same gang as the accused.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey He did say that he could ID the shooter. Why else would the police ask him for information on the crime against Tupac? The police already knew about the cars, scene and most of the people involved in the incident. The only thing the police really needed was someone to ID the shooter(s). Yeah, I no longer care about Kadafi's murder since I'm convinced that he wasn't going to inform the police on what he saw. So, He was just another thug on the streets.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
He said he could ID the driver, not the shooter.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
I have answered all your "points" dozens of times, so just look through the comments in my videos. Either do that, or sumbit to me a 1,000 word essay on why you think Suge Knight should be a suspect, provide sources and official statements.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You should have an open mind about the murder of Tupac because you have absolutly no evidence against Orlando. You have nothing to prove that he was involved in the crime of killing Tupac. All you have are educated thoughts and opinions. And other people have educated thoughts and opinions as well, They just have a seperate theory. And you're not the only one who has studied Tupac's murder in depth.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Of course there is more evidence. We have a murder weapon, informants of the men who have implicated the men involved, no alibis for those pretty much known to be involved, motive, opportunity, etc. I have spoken with the head of homocide of Vegas, Daniel Long as well as Wayne Petersen, BRent Becker and Mike Franks.
So don't even try to claim that the Crips theory, which is the only tenable one, is even remotely on the same level as the stupid one you're talking about.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey The reason I claim that the Orlando killing Tupac out of retaliation is a theory is because you have no evidence. IDK why you keep claiming you have evidence to prove that Orlando is the killer when you don't have shit on Orlando. And neither do the police which is why he was never charged with the murder of Tupac. So because there is no evidence against Orlando in the murder of Tupac, It's just another thepry you have.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Orlando's involvement in Tupac's death is a THEORY. I admit, It does have logic but, If you'd stop being so stubborn and had an open mind, You'd understand why I think Suge had SOME TYPE of involvement in Tupac's muder. I'm not saying that Suge pulled the trigger nor am I technically saying he planned the murder. I do believe that Suge knows something that we don't about the murder and refuses to inform the police which makes me believe that he was an accomplice.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Why should I have an open mind about things I have already studied in depth and have legitimate reasons for dismissing?
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I can believe that Kadafi wasn't really going to confirm what he saw the night Tupac was shot in Las Vegas because he did have some time to contact the police but, He didn't. So I agree with you. And when did I mention that Suge killed Tupac because he was leaving Death Row? No one can actually prove that Tupac was leaving Death Row. Suge being "Bad" doesn't make a case against him either. So, Those aren't why I think Suge had some form of involvement in the death of Tupac.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I think some of the officers in the Compton Police Department actually were interested in solving the crime against Tupac as well. But, The crime still isn't solved so we can never know for sure can we? I already read about Tupac's death but, I assume you mean actual books on his death so sir, I'll take your advice on that. I already watch your interviews about Tupac's death.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I understand why you shouldn't rule out informants but, You mention them as if their statement(s) about Orlando's role in the death of Tupac alone will prove that Orlando was/is guilty of the crime against Tupac. And don't come to the conclusion that I don't trust informats just because in the "Hip Hop World" they're considered to be snitches. That's not what I'm considering. I'm just wondering if we can trust the informants.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey No, I'm positive that Tupac was shot four times in Las Vegas. And what makes you think people who believe Suge was involved don't need to provide any proof of Suge's involvement in the crime against Tupac? And saying Orlando killed Tupac is just another theory, What solid facts do you have that proves Orlando was involved in the death of Tupac? I'm guessing..... You have no proof of Orlando's involvement in the crime.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@1HundredPercentReal My bad, I spelled Napolean's name wrong on the last comment.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@1HundredPercentReal You sure? From my understanding, Kadafi's death was an accident. Some people claim that a cousin of Naplolean was drunk/high and accidently shot Kadafi and killed him. I can believe that Kadafi wasn't going to actually identify the shooter because he had some time to do it but, Never did even before his death. And the fact that he left back to New Jersey so soon makes it obvious to me that he didn't plan on helping the police solve the crime.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
He never said he could ID the shooter, and the killing was unrelated, they cought the two who did it, and he wasn't talking anyways.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I care that Suge should still be a suspect so that's who cares. You stated that I have yet to prove that Suge was involved, However, I was just responding to your statements about him not being involved. You just have opinions about his actions. You can never be sure about what Suge's intentions are so you can't ever know for sure because you're not Suge. Tupac's death was/is meaningful to me. I don't need a theory to admit that.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Kadafi didn't return a call to the police because HE WAS DEAD. And that's true, I can't prove the four women were involved and neither could the police. But, I didn't agree with why you thought they weren't involved. And like I mentioned before, You seem to just want simple answers. If this case was so simple, I'm sure the police would have been able to solve it, Unless they're more ignorant than I think they are.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
I'm talking about before he died, genius.
And no, what I'm saying about Tupac's death is more complex.
What you're saying is simplistic, which is why it appeals to so many kids and uneducated people: Suge killed Tupac. Why? Because he's bad and Tupac was leaving Death Row. End of story.
The murder itself IS simple: Tupac jumped a Crip and they killed him later. The evidence we have points to that, as does logic. Going after him, the investigation is more complex.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
You have proven that you don't have a single shred of evidence suggesting that Knight had Tupac killed. Not. A. Shred.
Either try harder, or just give up these stupid kid conspiracies.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@TheEvilManiac Yak was killed by Roddy Beale, he was the cousin of former Outlaw Mutah "Napolean" Beale. He died off street shit, he owed Roddy money and dude went to the housing complex Kadafi was staying at and shot him point blank in the head. Kadafi died randomly from Pac it just so happens that he stepped up and said he could identify the shooter, but contrary to a lot of reports Kadafi wasn't going to finger the guy that's why he didn't stick around after 2pac died and he left for Jersey.
1HundredPercentReal 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You can't always trust informants. Maybe those people had something against Orlando besides the killing of Tupac and they just wanted him in jail. Until they can actually prove that Orlando was involved then they have no case. Like you mentioned before, People are innocent until proven guilty. You think Orlando is guilty just because some thugs said he was? Lol. You seem to have a lot of faith in the police, If Orlando was guilty, Why couldn't the police charge him with the crime?
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
I know you can't always trust informants, but you can't always rule them out either, which is what people like you do because in the hip hop world, they're "snitches".
And the police did want to solve the case: Compton police. Vegas police didn't.
Listen to more of my interview please, and read more literature on the subject.
Thanks.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Tupac was actually shot four times on the day he was fatally shot. And you seem like the type of person who just wants simple answers when the answers are not always simple. It's easy to just say Orlando killed Tupac and just be done with the case. You remind me of a police officer who just wants to hurry up and go home for dinner.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
No, he was shot 2-3 times.
And saying Anderson killed Tupac is more complex. People who say Knight did it are the ones who don't have to provide any proof, so that comment is directed at yourself.
Sorry.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I don't think that Suge meant to use Tupac as a shield. I think he was more focused on protecting himself. If Tupac successfully made it to the backseat, Most of the bullets would have hit Suge instead. IDK why you're trying to make Suge out to be a "Protector". Suge was/is about business. He claims that he loved Tupac and he probably did but, I don't think he loved Tupac enough to die for him. Which is why I think he pulled Tupac.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
No, it was when Tupac was trying to get to the back seat he was fatally hit. He didn't get shot any more times after Suge grabbed him.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I don't necessarily believe that Suge used Tupac as a shield but, I don't believe he was trying to help him either. And in the comment I wrote about Suge being a suspect until you or someone else proves otherwise, I meant that Suge was a suspect to ME. Technically, He's not a suspect. I was just stating that until someone can give me a reason to believe otherwise, I won't change my mind about his involvement.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Suge grabbed him and covered him. Not the actions of someone who was in on it.
And who cares if he's a suspect to you. You have yet to produce a single reason he is suspected other than the fact that this theory makes Tupac's death more meaningful to you probably.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I have it backward? I gave reasons why Suge should still be a suspect. I don't care that he got grazed in the head. That's nothing compared to Tupac's injuries. I think some people don't believe Suge was involved just because he was grazed in the head. Which is probably what Suge would want people to believe if he really did plan the whole thing. Only foolish people just completely rule him out as a suspect.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Yes, you do have it backward. Unless you have evidence. Saying something that does not seem likely, and brushing it off by saying what you said (" Suge would want people to believe if he really did plan the whole thing") is playing it both sides, so I can't win with you. If Suge were to do the opposite, it would suggest his guilt. If he does what he did, he did it to make it look like he didn't do it.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
@AntonBatey You're hilarious though, The ending was quite amusing. LOL
Hell No! Lol
Hilarious
I think Suge Knight should still be a suspect (And I know what I wrote as a comment on the video before but, I change my mind) I can't help by think Suge was involved. You changed my mind about a motive I thought Suge had but, He had other motives.
And in my other comment, I meant "Suge SHOULD be a suspect", Technically, Suge is not a suspect.
So, You believe Orlando killed Tupac. Hmm.....
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
You have a it backward. People are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
NOBODY serious things Suge is suspect for the obvious reasons. Only kids on te internet think he was involved because saying that Crips killed Tupac makes their idol seem like he did something wrong by sucker punching a Crip. Until someone gives evidence that Suge was involved - which is impossible - he shouldn't be a suspect.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
Excuse me, I meant "#4" on the last comment.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
#5 Tupac tried to go to the backseat of the vehical to avoid the bullets. You think Suge held Tupac to protect them both. I think Suge grabbed Tupac and pretty much forced Tupac to take the bullets as they came. If Tupac succussfully made it to the backseat, It's possible that he wouldn't have been murdered during that incident. So, Keeping all that in mind. Suge is still a suspect until you or somebody else succussfully proves otherwise.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Oh goodness, you're one of those people saying that Suge used Tupac as a shield? Yeah, a 330 pounder will isa an 155 pounder an a shield. It was when Tupac was getting in the back seat where he recieved the deadly bullet. Suge grabed him and covered him, but the damage was already done to Tupac. So the shots Tupac sustained came before Suge grabed him.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
#3. Most of the bullets were shot through the door of the passenger side of the vehical. So, It's obvious that the target was Tupac. The bullets would need to go through Tupac to hit Suge (Not to mention, The bullets already had to go through the door of the vehical)
#4. Suge lied about the bullet just grazing him in the head. He said in an interview and I quote "I have a bullet still stuck in my head". That wasn't true. He was only grazed, As you mentioned in the video.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
Ummm, yeah, there will be more bullets in the passenger's side because that's the side that the shooters pulled up on, lol. But Tupac only got hit by 2 or 3 of the 14 bullets. That's only about 20%. Suge got grazed in the head and had to get fragments removed from his head on the night of the shooting. I have spoken to his doctor. So did Cathy Scott. Suge was hyperbolizing his wounds, the same way Tupac did in the 1994 shooting.
AntonBatey 1 year ago
#2. Suge wouldn't "Slip out the door" while the bullets were being fired because some people would have seen that and that would either be considered suspicious or a better understanding of the type of person he was. If some people thought Suge was crooked then, It'd be a known fact after he'd just leave Tupac in the car by himself getting shot at.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey I find a couple things wrong with your explaining that Suge wasn't involved in the murder of Tupac. #1. Suge wouldn't have worn a bulletproof vest because that would be suspicious. You must take Tupac to be a stupid person & he's not. If you were riding in a car with someone and they had a bulletproof vest on what would be a logical explanation?
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago
@AntonBatey Even though I disagree with a few statements you made during the video and a comment or two about the video, You still made some valid points about the murder and some of the issues the movie claimed. So, Thanks again.
TheEvilManiac 1 year ago