The priest is called "another Christ" when he is celebrating Mass. The Roman Catholic Church preaches another Jesus and a false gospel of works and superstition
Mr. Beacon...I am a student of Philosophy, Theology, Science, and History.I have used these [and logic] to defend my faith in Christ [but also express my belief in the Church]. If you want to "save" my soul, you must use the ability of the Bible as a spiritual [ because the history of salvation is present in both Testaments] as well as rational [ why one thing is figurative and another literal]. I only pointed out that if the Eucharist is wrong, every early Christian is currently damned...
@NervaCaesar Please allow me to leave this conversation. I do not wish to continue debating as I have provided all you need to become a true Christian. Your blood is not on my hands and you will have all eternity to think about what you have rejected.
@NervaCaesar Just another thought. Here is a true dramatized story about a Muslim who put his life at risk when he became a Christian. At the age of 13 he was made the Iman of his village because of his knowledge of the Quran.
The Kurdistan Brothers - Muslim Converts - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=wyTOBZC5Ytw
@NervaCaesar As I wrote before, there is no point in continuing as I am writing to a spiritually dead man and you cannot understand spiritual things.
If the Pope does not believe the Bible... he would not even be the head of the Church Matthew 16:18. At least... he accepted the doctrine of Assumption of Mary [thank-you]. I think its funny how one passage of the Bible is interpreted at times figuratively and literally by Dr. Younce... make up your mind! Sola Scriptura or Prima Scriptura? I don't know what kind of priest would say... I don't think that it is really the Body and Blood of Christ. I wonder what faith and salvation "taste" like...
@NervaCaesar They [Rome] are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
@BereanBeacon1 How can "they" refer to Rome? That is a modern interpretation, because there was a Christian community in Rome at the time [Epistle to the Romans]. Why would John bash the same Church he is apart of? Those people died of the same martyrdom as other Christians.
@NervaCaesar I cannot continue in this as you are determined to know hell too late. I have the same salvation preached by Peter in Acts 2 and 4, where 8,000 orthodox Jews believed and were saved. They knew they were saved and had a joy unspeakable and full of glory. True Christians have it and want to tell others about it. You can have your dead sacraments, but as for me and my house we have the living lord. Amen, amen and amen.
@BereanBeacon1 How can the Living Bread from heaven in the form of Christ be wrong? All Christians have the joy of salvation... but answer me this, can salvation be taken away? Its a little theological, but there is a point. Dr. Younce said that the Eucharist cannot be Jesus because where two or more are gathered He is there. That still means that [ hypothetically speak] even if Christ is not in the Sacraments [which He is] He would still be the Living Lord in the mass.
@BereanBeacon1 The same letter said " Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh be longs to God..." 1 John 4:1-2. If applied to early Christianity [which later became the "Universal" Church i.e. Catholic] , that means that early Christian beliefs must have all been wrong!
@BereanBeacon1 Every modern denomination of Christianity can [I don't know if this is a sad thing or not] trace their history back to the Roman Catholic Church... How can the Roman community be wrong in the letter? They were more united at that time than now. If you critique the doctrines of the Church, you need to check the historical records [a great thing that confirms doctrinal changes if any] of early Christianity in general. I know that if what I am believing in is simply bread and wine...
@BereanBeacon1 ... I will be damned for eternity. I will accept damnation if the Eucharist is NOT the actual Body and Blood of Christ. Please... If you contact Dr.Younce, tell him that the Catechism states that Marian Apparition [the private revelation] can be accepted or not by followers. Besides, I do not think Satan would appear throughout history just to say "Repent, Penance, and Conversion to Christ"
@BereanBeacon1 I have one question though... What would happen if the Heritage Baptist Bible Church expands? The Catholic Church solved this problem with a clear hierarchy: Christ, the pope, the cardinals, the arch-bishops, bishops, monsignors, reverend [priest], nuns, brothers [friars], and the laity. This is why, it will probably separate and become a another branch [not a "literal branch" though].
Sorry, there was one form of Christainity at the time for Western Europe and this was right after the Schism between the Catholic Church and the Protestants [not the Catholics and Orthodox Church]
Priests and the pope are not gods... how does one forgive sins [Confession] or turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ [Eucharist]? In the name of Jesus as his person [ that's why their lives are focused on chasity, poverty, and obedience like Christ.] Dr. Younce needs to think about how wrong he is when he said the Council of Trent made everything up like a conspiracy... there was ONE form of CHRISTIANITY AT THE TIME! This was before the First Schism between the East and West.
I must say, for a Doctor of Theology... you don't realized the study of Christology and the importance of doctrine instead of bashing the [One Holy Catholic] Church. I thought belief in Christ will guarantee salvation, but the Catholic Church stresses this every single day! If I am worthy enough, I will stand before the throne of God and say, " I believe in... the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,. the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting."
The early Church Fathers, who are the disciples of the apostles themselves... expect and stress the pressence of Christ in the the Eucharist. St. Irenaeus of Lyons said "He [Jesus] has declared the cup, a part of his creation, to be His Blood...and the bread, a part of creation, He has established as His own Body, from which He gives increase to our bodies"God loved the world so much, that his Son sacrificed his own flesh in the mass... just to be mocked.
@BereanBeacon1 I respect and praise your search for truth and I want you to ask me any questions [ I will try my best using Catholic Theology to answer]. I also wanted to know what I should call my dad except father. If I give you the verses in the Acts of the Apostles, you will say that it is invalid because there is no mention of the Blood of Christ or that the early follows did not focus on the Sacrament. It’s strange how you wanted me to go to Acts, not the Letter of James or 1 Corinthians?
The covenant made by Christ, through the Eucharist, is the same as any Old Testament covenant and must be “repeated” in a similar was as the banquet of heaven [Scott Hahn: The Lamb’s Supper]. If God can be incarnated into human form, he can transubstantiate into the Living Bread from heaven [John 6:48].If Jesus was not referring to the Eucharistic theme, why compare himself to manna [a substance] to feed the people [John 6:49].
If Jesus was not referring to the Eucharistic theme, why compare himself to manna [a substance] to feed the people [John 6:49]. I know that man does not live by bread alone [Deuteronomy 8:3], yet what [or Who] is the Word [John 1:1-3]. I agree, the sacrifice was “once for all” [Hebrews 7:29]; however, it means a perpetual sacrifice.
I don't know what kind of Catholic Dr. Younce talked to because nearly every Catholic in Sunday School and mass are informed that the bread and wine IS the Body and Blood. We have whole programs and homilies devoted to explaining the Eucharist . We are not backwards thinking people, as you know from history... every minor denomination of Christianity came from the Catholic Church. I think before trying to read the Catechism and critiquing it, Dr. Younce should read a teen guide to Catholicism.
Maybe this is why Christian Theology is so well known by Catholic scholars, priests, and leaders... Doctor. Even early Christainity [Catholicism] accepted these ideas... not because Catholics are liers and papalist . Christ [and the Blessed Virgin] respects our freedom so much, that they will not appear out of nowhere before you to repeat Matthew 16:18. How is it that every other verses can be interpreted literally... except the actual words by Christ in John 6:53-54?
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
Christ's sacrifice on the cross was a one time deal. Claiming to sacrifice a graven image of Christ called the eucharist over and over again millions upon millions of times is to deny the very heart of the gospels, pulling Christ down from the cross and refusing to accept His power to save us from sin His way.
really? Ever read 1Cor10:15-17, 11:23-29? If it were only a "symbol" , how do you partake of a symbol "unworthily"? 1Cor11:23-29? What's Heb10:19-20? Acts2:42? 1Pet2:5? What's "the veil, that is to say the flesh"? Heb10:19-20.. What are Jesus' words in John 6? Ever read it?
"most catholics have no idea that this is christ body" so? if every catholic believed it was symbolic, we would never change!!! That is because truth cannot change.
Wow Soo many straw man arguments Tsk tsk. Please learn what the Catholic church actually teaches my friend instead of what you perceive our teaching to be.
I'll pray that you guys come out of your ignorance and come home to the one true church Jesus founded, The Catholic church.
Sirach chapters 18 and 31, and Proverbs chapter 23 give the qualities of Christ in His Passion. It is noteable that He on the Holy Cross did not sip fresh wine, which is palatable, but spoiled bitter wine (vinegar). Also, we can compare the Passion of Christ where His Sacred Blood is violently torn from Him and Nehemiah 13 in it's description of the winepress to Jeremiah 13 where every wineflask is meant to be filled with choice wine Isa 25. We can also refer to Num 18 and 2Kings 6.
Transubstantiation is a misinterpretation of Prayers in the Didache said by the early church. The early Christians said the words of institution together. What it meant was that by Holy Communion (ie Co Union with God) by this symbolic supper they were pledging themselves *their own body and blood* to be the tangible hand of Christ to a lost and hurting world...And that as Disciples of the Way they were living the Gospel of Love. Souls and hearts are transformed not bread & wine.
@cloudsurfer007 wow ... sinners are going to try and help out? wow. that is news worthy. How about God in the second person of the Trinity says "this IS my body" and "as often as u do THIS"... no we would rather have some christians pledge there help to the community? Symbolic supper? I thought the O.T. was symbolic and the N.T. was real or super natural, back to symbolic? Couldnt we just join the Elks club and save a lot of grief?
Ob 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee [even] to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, [and] prevailed against thee; thy bread have laid a wound under thee: [there is] none understanding in him.
1C 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Sorry preacher, but Jesus drank fermented grape juice/wine and he did it enough in public that he was accused of being a wine-bibber/alcoholic. (Matthew 11:19)
Luther believed the same thing as Roman Catholics believe today about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. He broked his " communion " with all the other Protestant "reformers" based on their denial of such an important issue. He anathemized them, because of that fact
Luther became as far-removed from biblical Christianity as the roman catholic church itself. Yes, it was great he stood against the catholic church, which is from hell, but then he moved away from biblical Christianity.
That Luther was far removed from biblical Christianity compare to the other Reformers, it is just nothing more than your personal opinion. Just by the virtue of that, doesn't have any value at all. It is up to historians and serious teologians [ both Catholics and Protestants ] to make a real judgment about Luther's position and beliefs compared to the Early Christians. I don't have the credentials, neither you, to make such a statement
Just my opinion? Rubbish. History proves that it is NOT my opinion, but historical and documented FACT, just like the catholic church has been PROVEN historically as a church from hell.
Which specific fact would you like? The evil popes and their crimes, the child-rape coverup, the nun-rape, the beginning of your traditions by MAN, not by GOD, the blasphemies, the idolatrys, popes taking the name of God "Holy Father" for themselves, the innocent blood of millions of christians? Which would you like proof of first?
If we are going to start with the innocent blood of millions of Christians ; we have to recognize then, that the only authentic Christian Church are the Mennonites and a few others. Proatestant Churches by most, persecuted and killed people on their own. Remember Protestant Inquisition under John Calvin, or what about the thousands of Catholics, that were persecuted and killed by Protestant kings and queens in England ?
You got my answer in the wrong context. See what I tried to explain to kiwichristian2009: He tried to imply that the only Christian Church founded by Christ, is the one; that its members never use violence against other people. By using that kind of comparison [ tough, not valid ] the only real Christian people will be the mennonite and the amish
To me, it means following the Jesus Christ and His teachings as described in the Word of God. It means not inventing things that are simply not there, like Mary worship, the mass, purgatory, praying for the dead, confessional, modern-day priesthood, popary, celebacy, sacraments, etc. Now, you ARE going to argue and take verses that have been used by catholics to justify their pagen practices, and i will not discuss them because i have gone through all this before.
1) That Jesus had brothers and sisters, 2) That Jesus died ONCE ( the catholic church sacrifice Him again and again though the mass ) 3) That God says the only way for salvation is belief on the Lord Jesus Christ ONLY.
Jesus did not have uterine brothers or sisters; No-one in the New Test. is called "son of Joseph" except Jesus, and some men who are called "brothers" of Jesus are in fact sons of men other than Joseph. Also, cousins were called "brothers" as well.
And that ther is one of the biggest catholic heresies. God is Jesus' father, not joseph! Please prove in the Bible that God was referring to Jesus' cousins, not brothers? You still dont get it, my friend. My God is NOT a God of confusion.
The gold thing is called a monstrance. But before they bow down in front of the monstrance (graven image) with their Jesus (idol) in it, they like to parade him through the streets and "adore" him in their solemn processions. You see, their Jesus can't walk. He has to be borne about by men. THIS is the Catholic Jesus that we write about here at Jesus is Lord--he is plainly not the Jesus of the Bible.
"Adoration of Christ in this Sacrament of love must also find expression in various forms of Eucharistic devotion: personal prayer before the Blessed Sacrament [the Eucharist], hours of adoration, periods of exposition - short, prolonged and annual (Forty Hours) - Eucharistic benediction, Eucharistic processions, Eucharistic Congresses."
The mass is the center of Catholicism and the Eucharist (that little round wafer above) is the center of the mass.
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. My Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told me in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is FINISHED, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another man-made tradition.
"The encouragement and deepening of the Eucharistic [cracker] worship are proofs of that authentic renewal...Jesus waits for us in this sacrament of love..."
Do you think that images like this monstrance and Eucharist are what Moses was warning about when he said:
Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. (Deuteronomy 4:23)
Also,something i personally consider complete blasphemy :
The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh. — Catholic National, July 1895.
In the KJV bible Paul says "if I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven it in the person of Christ"....Your statement is in the same mindset as "In Persona Christi".
Eating anything to receive "grace" is the FIRST LIE of the DEVIL just repackaged for modern "consumption"
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
DONT EAT THE LIE!!!
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@bdplist John 6:53..... You're an idiot.
samuellawless1 3 months ago
@samuellawless1 Thats it "John 6:53"?
Right back atcha;)
bdplist 1 month ago
The priest is called "another Christ" when he is celebrating Mass. The Roman Catholic Church preaches another Jesus and a false gospel of works and superstition
ministercreek 5 months ago
@ministercreek Shut up moron, he's acting in persona Christi. Stop being stupid.
samuellawless1 3 months ago
Walnut Grove Minnesota? Isn't that where the Little House On the Prairie story is based on?
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Where is the Eucharist in the Book of Acts? - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=36_2vhvUMGM
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
Mr. Beacon...I am a student of Philosophy, Theology, Science, and History.I have used these [and logic] to defend my faith in Christ [but also express my belief in the Church]. If you want to "save" my soul, you must use the ability of the Bible as a spiritual [ because the history of salvation is present in both Testaments] as well as rational [ why one thing is figurative and another literal]. I only pointed out that if the Eucharist is wrong, every early Christian is currently damned...
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar I have this, do you?
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Corinthians 5:17
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar Please allow me to leave this conversation. I do not wish to continue debating as I have provided all you need to become a true Christian. Your blood is not on my hands and you will have all eternity to think about what you have rejected.
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 God bless...
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar Just another thought. Here is a true dramatized story about a Muslim who put his life at risk when he became a Christian. At the age of 13 he was made the Iman of his village because of his knowledge of the Quran.
The Kurdistan Brothers - Muslim Converts - h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=wyTOBZC5Ytw
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
Mr. Beacon, I still have not received answers to my comments and questions in previous postings....
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar As I wrote before, there is no point in continuing as I am writing to a spiritually dead man and you cannot understand spiritual things.
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
If the Pope does not believe the Bible... he would not even be the head of the Church Matthew 16:18. At least... he accepted the doctrine of Assumption of Mary [thank-you]. I think its funny how one passage of the Bible is interpreted at times figuratively and literally by Dr. Younce... make up your mind! Sola Scriptura or Prima Scriptura? I don't know what kind of priest would say... I don't think that it is really the Body and Blood of Christ. I wonder what faith and salvation "taste" like...
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar They [Rome] are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1John 4:5,6
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 How can "they" refer to Rome? That is a modern interpretation, because there was a Christian community in Rome at the time [Epistle to the Romans]. Why would John bash the same Church he is apart of? Those people died of the same martyrdom as other Christians.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar I cannot continue in this as you are determined to know hell too late. I have the same salvation preached by Peter in Acts 2 and 4, where 8,000 orthodox Jews believed and were saved. They knew they were saved and had a joy unspeakable and full of glory. True Christians have it and want to tell others about it. You can have your dead sacraments, but as for me and my house we have the living lord. Amen, amen and amen.
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 How can the Living Bread from heaven in the form of Christ be wrong? All Christians have the joy of salvation... but answer me this, can salvation be taken away? Its a little theological, but there is a point. Dr. Younce said that the Eucharist cannot be Jesus because where two or more are gathered He is there. That still means that [ hypothetically speak] even if Christ is not in the Sacraments [which He is] He would still be the Living Lord in the mass.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 The same letter said " Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh be longs to God..." 1 John 4:1-2. If applied to early Christianity [which later became the "Universal" Church i.e. Catholic] , that means that early Christian beliefs must have all been wrong!
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Every modern denomination of Christianity can [I don't know if this is a sad thing or not] trace their history back to the Roman Catholic Church... How can the Roman community be wrong in the letter? They were more united at that time than now. If you critique the doctrines of the Church, you need to check the historical records [a great thing that confirms doctrinal changes if any] of early Christianity in general. I know that if what I am believing in is simply bread and wine...
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 ... I will be damned for eternity. I will accept damnation if the Eucharist is NOT the actual Body and Blood of Christ. Please... If you contact Dr.Younce, tell him that the Catechism states that Marian Apparition [the private revelation] can be accepted or not by followers. Besides, I do not think Satan would appear throughout history just to say "Repent, Penance, and Conversion to Christ"
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I have one question though... What would happen if the Heritage Baptist Bible Church expands? The Catholic Church solved this problem with a clear hierarchy: Christ, the pope, the cardinals, the arch-bishops, bishops, monsignors, reverend [priest], nuns, brothers [friars], and the laity. This is why, it will probably separate and become a another branch [not a "literal branch" though].
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
Can you also answer some of my question in the comments so that I'm not the only one explaining... I also want to learn. Thank-you
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
Sorry, there was one form of Christainity at the time for Western Europe and this was right after the Schism between the Catholic Church and the Protestants [not the Catholics and Orthodox Church]
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
Priests and the pope are not gods... how does one forgive sins [Confession] or turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ [Eucharist]? In the name of Jesus as his person [ that's why their lives are focused on chasity, poverty, and obedience like Christ.] Dr. Younce needs to think about how wrong he is when he said the Council of Trent made everything up like a conspiracy... there was ONE form of CHRISTIANITY AT THE TIME! This was before the First Schism between the East and West.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
I must say, for a Doctor of Theology... you don't realized the study of Christology and the importance of doctrine instead of bashing the [One Holy Catholic] Church. I thought belief in Christ will guarantee salvation, but the Catholic Church stresses this every single day! If I am worthy enough, I will stand before the throne of God and say, " I believe in... the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,. the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting."
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
The early Church Fathers, who are the disciples of the apostles themselves... expect and stress the pressence of Christ in the the Eucharist. St. Irenaeus of Lyons said "He [Jesus] has declared the cup, a part of his creation, to be His Blood...and the bread, a part of creation, He has established as His own Body, from which He gives increase to our bodies"God loved the world so much, that his Son sacrificed his own flesh in the mass... just to be mocked.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
@NervaCaesar I am unable to find the Eucharist in the book of Acts and where bread is mentioned there is no wine.
Where is the Eucharist in the Book of Acts?
h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=36_2vhvUMGM
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I respect and praise your search for truth and I want you to ask me any questions [ I will try my best using Catholic Theology to answer]. I also wanted to know what I should call my dad except father. If I give you the verses in the Acts of the Apostles, you will say that it is invalid because there is no mention of the Blood of Christ or that the early follows did not focus on the Sacrament. It’s strange how you wanted me to go to Acts, not the Letter of James or 1 Corinthians?
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
The covenant made by Christ, through the Eucharist, is the same as any Old Testament covenant and must be “repeated” in a similar was as the banquet of heaven [Scott Hahn: The Lamb’s Supper]. If God can be incarnated into human form, he can transubstantiate into the Living Bread from heaven [John 6:48].If Jesus was not referring to the Eucharistic theme, why compare himself to manna [a substance] to feed the people [John 6:49].
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
If Jesus was not referring to the Eucharistic theme, why compare himself to manna [a substance] to feed the people [John 6:49]. I know that man does not live by bread alone [Deuteronomy 8:3], yet what [or Who] is the Word [John 1:1-3]. I agree, the sacrifice was “once for all” [Hebrews 7:29]; however, it means a perpetual sacrifice.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
I don't know what kind of Catholic Dr. Younce talked to because nearly every Catholic in Sunday School and mass are informed that the bread and wine IS the Body and Blood. We have whole programs and homilies devoted to explaining the Eucharist . We are not backwards thinking people, as you know from history... every minor denomination of Christianity came from the Catholic Church. I think before trying to read the Catechism and critiquing it, Dr. Younce should read a teen guide to Catholicism.
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
Maybe this is why Christian Theology is so well known by Catholic scholars, priests, and leaders... Doctor. Even early Christainity [Catholicism] accepted these ideas... not because Catholics are liers and papalist . Christ [and the Blessed Virgin] respects our freedom so much, that they will not appear out of nowhere before you to repeat Matthew 16:18. How is it that every other verses can be interpreted literally... except the actual words by Christ in John 6:53-54?
NervaCaesar 8 months ago
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God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
God bless you and be brave
JezusSlave 10 months ago
Christ's sacrifice on the cross was a one time deal. Claiming to sacrifice a graven image of Christ called the eucharist over and over again millions upon millions of times is to deny the very heart of the gospels, pulling Christ down from the cross and refusing to accept His power to save us from sin His way.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
really? Ever read 1Cor10:15-17, 11:23-29? If it were only a "symbol" , how do you partake of a symbol "unworthily"? 1Cor11:23-29? What's Heb10:19-20? Acts2:42? 1Pet2:5? What's "the veil, that is to say the flesh"? Heb10:19-20.. What are Jesus' words in John 6? Ever read it?
Stinger4186 1 year ago
"most catholics have no idea that this is christ body" so? if every catholic believed it was symbolic, we would never change!!! That is because truth cannot change.
nice try
singapore7773 1 year ago
Wow Soo many straw man arguments Tsk tsk. Please learn what the Catholic church actually teaches my friend instead of what you perceive our teaching to be.
I'll pray that you guys come out of your ignorance and come home to the one true church Jesus founded, The Catholic church.
brandonying 1 year ago
BoobTar-no where in scripture does it say that Jesus drank fermented grape juice/wine. "
tubepup 1 year ago
@tubepup
Sirach chapters 18 and 31, and Proverbs chapter 23 give the qualities of Christ in His Passion. It is noteable that He on the Holy Cross did not sip fresh wine, which is palatable, but spoiled bitter wine (vinegar). Also, we can compare the Passion of Christ where His Sacred Blood is violently torn from Him and Nehemiah 13 in it's description of the winepress to Jeremiah 13 where every wineflask is meant to be filled with choice wine Isa 25. We can also refer to Num 18 and 2Kings 6.
ammazzamoro 1 year ago
Transubstantiation is a misinterpretation of Prayers in the Didache said by the early church. The early Christians said the words of institution together. What it meant was that by Holy Communion (ie Co Union with God) by this symbolic supper they were pledging themselves *their own body and blood* to be the tangible hand of Christ to a lost and hurting world...And that as Disciples of the Way they were living the Gospel of Love. Souls and hearts are transformed not bread & wine.
cloudsurfer007 1 year ago
@cloudsurfer007 wow ... sinners are going to try and help out? wow. that is news worthy. How about God in the second person of the Trinity says "this IS my body" and "as often as u do THIS"... no we would rather have some christians pledge there help to the community? Symbolic supper? I thought the O.T. was symbolic and the N.T. was real or super natural, back to symbolic? Couldnt we just join the Elks club and save a lot of grief?
singapore7773 1 year ago
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Ob 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee [even] to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, [and] prevailed against thee; thy bread have laid a wound under thee: [there is] none understanding in him.
1C 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
TheIAMINU 1 year ago
"grape juice not wine.." . . .?
Sorry preacher, but Jesus drank fermented grape juice/wine and he did it enough in public that he was accused of being a wine-bibber/alcoholic. (Matthew 11:19)
BloodTar 2 years ago
No, i condemn anything that differs from the Word of God.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
My friend. The catholic church is unbiblical. Name me a biblical practice practised by the church of rome.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Luther believed the same thing as Roman Catholics believe today about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. He broked his " communion " with all the other Protestant "reformers" based on their denial of such an important issue. He anathemized them, because of that fact
muscleslave001 2 years ago
Luther became as far-removed from biblical Christianity as the roman catholic church itself. Yes, it was great he stood against the catholic church, which is from hell, but then he moved away from biblical Christianity.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
That Luther was far removed from biblical Christianity compare to the other Reformers, it is just nothing more than your personal opinion. Just by the virtue of that, doesn't have any value at all. It is up to historians and serious teologians [ both Catholics and Protestants ] to make a real judgment about Luther's position and beliefs compared to the Early Christians. I don't have the credentials, neither you, to make such a statement
muscleslave001 2 years ago
Just my opinion? Rubbish. History proves that it is NOT my opinion, but historical and documented FACT, just like the catholic church has been PROVEN historically as a church from hell.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
"I don't have the credentials, neither you, to make such a statement",
My Friend, i dont NEED credentials. All i need is the Word of God and historical facts.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
What historical [ facts ? ] if I can ask ?
muscleslave001 2 years ago
Which specific fact would you like? The evil popes and their crimes, the child-rape coverup, the nun-rape, the beginning of your traditions by MAN, not by GOD, the blasphemies, the idolatrys, popes taking the name of God "Holy Father" for themselves, the innocent blood of millions of christians? Which would you like proof of first?
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
If we are going to start with the innocent blood of millions of Christians ; we have to recognize then, that the only authentic Christian Church are the Mennonites and a few others. Proatestant Churches by most, persecuted and killed people on their own. Remember Protestant Inquisition under John Calvin, or what about the thousands of Catholics, that were persecuted and killed by Protestant kings and queens in England ?
muscleslave001 2 years ago
Jesus never founded the Mennonite church; it is yet another church from the mind of man.
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
You got my answer in the wrong context. See what I tried to explain to kiwichristian2009: He tried to imply that the only Christian Church founded by Christ, is the one; that its members never use violence against other people. By using that kind of comparison [ tough, not valid ] the only real Christian people will be the mennonite and the amish
muscleslave001 2 years ago
I see what you mean.
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
What exactly is "Biblical Christianity"?
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
To me, it means following the Jesus Christ and His teachings as described in the Word of God. It means not inventing things that are simply not there, like Mary worship, the mass, purgatory, praying for the dead, confessional, modern-day priesthood, popary, celebacy, sacraments, etc. Now, you ARE going to argue and take verses that have been used by catholics to justify their pagen practices, and i will not discuss them because i have gone through all this before.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
I believe that the catholic church denies many things about the Jesus Christ of the bible.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Such as what? And any answer that you give i'll check in my catechism to see if you are accurite....
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
1) That Jesus had brothers and sisters, 2) That Jesus died ONCE ( the catholic church sacrifice Him again and again though the mass ) 3) That God says the only way for salvation is belief on the Lord Jesus Christ ONLY.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Jesus did not have uterine brothers or sisters; No-one in the New Test. is called "son of Joseph" except Jesus, and some men who are called "brothers" of Jesus are in fact sons of men other than Joseph. Also, cousins were called "brothers" as well.
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
And that ther is one of the biggest catholic heresies. God is Jesus' father, not joseph! Please prove in the Bible that God was referring to Jesus' cousins, not brothers? You still dont get it, my friend. My God is NOT a God of confusion.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Speaking of confusion, you post are kinda hard to decipher.
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
I am sorry you feel that way, my friend. If there is anything that you do not understand, please let me know.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
The gold thing is called a monstrance. But before they bow down in front of the monstrance (graven image) with their Jesus (idol) in it, they like to parade him through the streets and "adore" him in their solemn processions. You see, their Jesus can't walk. He has to be borne about by men. THIS is the Catholic Jesus that we write about here at Jesus is Lord--he is plainly not the Jesus of the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
"Adoration of Christ in this Sacrament of love must also find expression in various forms of Eucharistic devotion: personal prayer before the Blessed Sacrament [the Eucharist], hours of adoration, periods of exposition - short, prolonged and annual (Forty Hours) - Eucharistic benediction, Eucharistic processions, Eucharistic Congresses."
The mass is the center of Catholicism and the Eucharist (that little round wafer above) is the center of the mass.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
That's why you continually see them with dead Jesus' on crosses in their churches and homes--just hanging there, dead. My Jesus is not the "Eternal Victim", He is the Eternal Lord of Lords and King of Kings! Jesus told me in His word that His ONE time sacrifice is FINISHED, completed, over. The Lord Jesus Christ is back in heaven where He came from waiting on His enemies to be made His footstool, not hopping up to enter a piece of bread. The mythical Eucharist is just another man-made tradition.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
"The encouragement and deepening of the Eucharistic [cracker] worship are proofs of that authentic renewal...Jesus waits for us in this sacrament of love..."
Do you think that images like this monstrance and Eucharist are what Moses was warning about when he said:
Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. (Deuteronomy 4:23)
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
They deny He is the ONLY way to heaven.
Also,something i personally consider complete blasphemy :
The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh. — Catholic National, July 1895.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
In the KJV bible Paul says "if I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven it in the person of Christ"....Your statement is in the same mindset as "In Persona Christi".
AtomicMonster454 2 years ago
Yes, PAUL said it, because he was the "leader" of the apostles. Not Peter. Jesus gave HIM that authority, not us.
kiwichristian2009 2 years ago
Good presentation!
excatholics 2 years ago 2
You spelled "Eucharist" incorrectly.
Doliath 2 years ago