Kudos for making this video. Lordship Salvation is straight from hell, keeping it's adherents focused on their behavior, and worse, the behavior of others, all the while remaining disobedient to God's plan of salvation, which is by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Very sound teaching. In my own experience, while I was in the false realm of Lordship Salvation, I needed to be hypocritical in order to make others believe that I was saved. Deep down, I knew that the 'repentance from sin' requirement had a major flaw. I could not reconcile the free gift of grace alongside the need to turn away from my sins. The moment I believed and trusted the work of Jesus, I was set free. It was so near, yet so far, so to speak. Christians must gain from this video.
Why doesn't Todd answer his own questions about lust first? Why does he assume the man he's talking to has a problem with lust? I guess everyone else except Todd Friel occasionally experiences lust. There is a difference between temptation and acting on the temptation, too. I'm glad Todd Friel is perfect. There is at least one perfect person in this world. What a relief.
So, is John MacArthur saying that children go to hell if they do not make it to adulthood to be saved? And isn't MacArthur also Calvinist? If he believes in election, isn't one elected from the foundation of the world, which means even before they are born--which means they are elected even when they are a child. So, is does he teach that elect children who die go to heaven while non-elect children go to hell? His theology makes a very confusing soup.
1► Whoever made this video also disagrees with the words of Jesus. To REPENT, means to 'TURN-AWAY' from sin.---> JESUS SAID: "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3)
2►Repentance is not a work.. but a necessary heart-change. ---> For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.( 2 Corinthians 7:10)
3►God resists the proud,But gives grace to the humble.(James 4:6)
You misunderstand again, no one, me or them, teach that you stop sinning as a saved person, listen and watch more and you will see that time and time again as they say it "Christian stumble, and sometimes mess up ". However, there is a difference in stumbling and living your life continually in sin. John 1:5-10. Is he contradicting himself? No, he is talking about walking in a lifestyle of sin. He is saying if you walk in darkness, you are not saved, but if you say you have no sin, same thing.
Could you really take, espc. Todd anymore out of context? I mean really? You must have an axe to grind. I watch the show myself, and he constantly says we will stumble and mess up, but it will not be our lifestyle. He doesn't teach, none of them, that in order to be saved you must earn it. Have you not researched this at all? Good works are the PRODUCT of salvation. You shall know them by their fruits. A saved person will act like a saved person.
@adamfelder Are you saying a saved person can not sin then? B/c Jesus says "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit" If fruit is works then you have to say saved people can not sin!
This only shows the sloppy interpretations of this crowd and their inconsistencies.
It looks like you are the one that needs to do your research, try reading the bible.
@adamfelder The Matthew 7 reference to fruits is in relation to false prophets not believers. Unless you're a genuine clairvoyant you don't know what somebody believes. Fortunately God does, and He is going to have something to say about those who preach another gospel, that which is a false gospel, that makes salvation conditional upon bearing fruit, working extra to supplement what Jesus said IS FINISHED.
I was a faithful listener to Ray and Todd for two years, I also went out witnessing with them, I also had dinner with Ray and several people from a small church one night, also one of the reporters for Way of the Master lived at our home for 6 months. I agree with your video, they are sincere , although I cannot agree with the works doctrine as your video states. They are more concerned with atheists and false converts than getting people saved. They also love media fame. Todd is a entertainer.
I was also once a fan, because most of their early work was not as blatant. Once a friend got the two season set on DVD
On clip he was talking to a holiness pentecostal. She kept insisting you must be baptized to be saved but Ray didnt correct her on that. I suppose either b/c many of his fans are in that camp, or because he viewed her adding baptism as "a repentant heart..."
Do you disagree that he is teaching works? He tells people they must stop sinning to be saved???
Can you reconcile these to verses? I can. "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:' 1John 3:4 and "If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1John 1:10 As christians we do not make sin our practice or lifestyle why? we have a new nature. Second verse as christians we still sin and we need to confess it to maintain fellowship are relationship stays the same because we belong to Christ. Modern preachers hate the word repentance. Why? I dont buy the works thing.
Did Christ preach repentance? "The time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15 Saying repentance is works is a lot of hot air. If a person is trusting in their repentance than it is not repentance its reformation and that is works. If a person is trusting Christ alone then they are saved but no one is trusting Christ alone that has not turned to Christ from sin. This is so basic and elementary. No repentance then no Trusting its that simple.
Repentance is works Salvation is such Hot Air I cannot even believe someone would come up with something like this. I believe people are against repentance for one reason, and one reason only. WHY? They dont want to repent. Its that simple saying it is works is a straw man for a deeper problem. My friends wife professed to be a christian until she heard Hells Best Kept Secret than she got off the works wagon and Trusted Christ alone she never new she was saved but now she knows. HOT AIR
5 star video Thank you for standing up for the grace message against these works salvation heretics. So many have been bewitched into bad doctrine by these super stars of evangelism it is so sad people rather listen to them then what Jesus said in John 3:16.
Christ said it is finished. Nobody can put a price on eternal life. Not one person could afford to pay for it. Not me, not you, not anybody on this planet. If we all got together we couldn't add up enough works to earn it in a million lifetimes. Only Christ can afford to pay the tab. Only Christ is qualified for the job. I don't remember Christ asking any of us to be references on His resume. He didn't ask for any help. If you think Christ's resume is lacking then cut Him out of the Bible.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Repentance in Jonah was not for spiritual salvation, but to prevent God's physical destruction of the city. If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.(Jer 18:8)
And your 2nd statment is blatantly wrong, romans says where sin did abound grace did much more abound not that it was mutilated. You're saying we have to deserve grace at least in part
I'm not going to argue with you. You attack these godly men. and say they are wicked. Seriously? Have you not listened to the radio show? Call in on friday and ask Todd Friel to explain grace and repentance. Don't profess to be wise, and attack another brother in Christ.
1. If they are teaching works then they are hardly "Godly Men" so im marking them like the bible says to do with false teachers.
2. You are the one that posted a comment attacking me first and now your not man enough to finish it. Of course the bible does pretty much destory your position so i cant blame you there.
3. How about you call todd for me and tell him to watch my viedo.
@jleu777 Romans 6:1-2 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
GREAT another sinlessly perfect disicple of paul washer and his cronies.
Maybe you should read the rest of what He said "mr tota scriptura"
"Whosoever committeth sin IS THE SERVANT of sin"
So unless you never committed another sin once you were saved then you are serving two masters and aren't really saved ACCORDING TO YOU
Now go ahead water down your original statment like the rest of ur kind about how you must submit & love him in order to be saved when you dont even keep his commandments
ray c. sounds legit but he doesnt know the truth afterall he teaches we are dead in our sins..he even states he himslef has a deceitful wicked heart as he stand & preaches..while god demands anyone man who preaches {actually anyone} to be perfect as me...thesinmuststop followed up with org at the end go watch listen ..seared? deaf?--bother me NOT..heed or wait die 'n see salvation is conditional only scholars can reach around the simple text to define an itching message from the truth.
Great video! I'll be praying God kills all these heretics soon before they can deceive anyone else. God can sort out which of them are saved or not on the day of judgment.
WOW!!!! love your explanation of repentance toward the mid/end!!! That's how I explain it. That's what the Bible says, 100%. Love it bro. Can I be part of the ridiculously small group of youtubers who actually understand salvation and repentance? Why do so many not get the fact that our soul is saved at salvation, not our flesh? Exactly, we must daily, hourly, every minute fight against sin, and many times lose. But this has nothing to do with salvation, only our unsaved flesh(come on rapture)!
Agree with video. I just don't think because someone is wrong on doctrine that means he is going to hell -------------------------IF-------------------IF-----------IF when they were saved they believed the right gospel. If when they were saved they believed salvation was a free gift received ONLY by faith, than they are saved 100% like anyone else. If they were trusting in any way their works, or repentance from sins, than they are lost. I think they are saved, than got screwed up later.
luv of truth, digging deep , stop sinning lest theb worse thing comes upon them, only after a season of godly sorrow broken heartness repentence {duration} a dilligence & zeal of striving to make any wrongs from the past right showing themselves clear in matters proving themselves & since they dug deep they will then come to the knowledge of the ONE truth..then yes,,, if they didnt willingly sin thereafter & NOT depend on grace alone {God forbid} shall they escape hell. salvation = conditional
Well said, jleu777. In my "brainouty" channel I made a spoof song against Lordship Salvation called the "Faith Repentance Works Rag" using Tom Lehrer's Vatican Rag music at the background.
yes but to know if it is true saving grace, the "evidence" of that will be a changed life, a changing life, to full completion, when you are present before the Lord. How can James 2:14-26 be ignored?
It's not a matter of "striving to stop sinning". It's being sensetive to it and not wanting to by the working of the Holy Spirit.
James is talking about being justified before man, not about how to tell someone is saved.
"shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."
If the answer to james question "can faith save him?" is no like you want it to be than Rom 4:5 is a contradiction.
You guys have been harping about one section in James 2 thats been answered over and over, what about the rest of the bible? When are you going to answer Rom 4:5 & all the believe verses.
So as far as the word of God is concerned, what you are doing is abominable in the site of God, and i suggest you take these videos down as fast as possible before you do damage to anyones walk with God. The Lord will not excuse this matter. You have been warned
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Look, how hard is it to understand? God just wants us to come to him as we are. we don't have to jump through all of these hoops like a lot of religions do, baptism ,sacraments, etc. These works Paul was talking about has nothing to do with the evidences of saving grace. The bible is loaded with this obvious fact
you people are too much. im just going to make another video answering all this crap and then be done with it. i have better things to do on a saturday than debate on the internet
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
By their fruits you shall know them. Obedience follows faith. You can't be obedient without faith, and you can't have faith without obedience. It makes no sense.
Jesus set people free from sin. He conquered sin and death and therefore those who believe will be set free also.
The very definition of repentance is having great sorrow over sin, and having the desire to do better. Turning from sin is the fuit of repentance.
I guess God had sorrow over sin more than man then according to the bibble.
all you've said was refuted in the video.
And what VERSE says HAVING A DESIRE TO DO BETTER. None of them ever mention a "desire to repent" to be a disiple. They mention DOING, not willing to do.
I listened and heard, but they spoke not aright: no man [[repented him of his wickedness,]] saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rushes into the battle. Jeremiah 8:6
But it does say repent of wickedness.
Faith IS a gift!
"Faith is not a gift, no verse says that."
You have obviously glanced over Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are you saved through faith; and [[that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:]] Faith is a gift from God.
How did you jump to the conclusion that i said that God forces people to do things when their saved? It's the Holy Spirit man, it's being sensitive to your sin, God looks after his own. And the "fruit" is Christ likeness not converts. Have you ever actually listened to a whole sermon by Paul Washer?
I really didn't get what that Todd Friel idiot was talking about when he mentioned Steven Anderson's short hair and somehow connected that to not having cable. What does he mean by that?
John Macarthur just might be the best bible teacher and expositor around today. And Ray Comfort is not too bad either. They are right on when they say faith AND REPENTENCE. Why would just believing be enough? Doesn't the bible say that the demons, themselves, believe. And yet they are not "saved". you might want to study the bible a little bit more thoroughly before you start spouting nonsense like this.
Well then i just disproved the best bible teacher and expositor around today wrong that the bible never mentions an example of a child being saved.
Demons, angels and the like cant be saved anyway.(1Pe 1:12) Demons certainly acknowledge the existence of God however they do not believe on him for salvation.
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (Jhn11:26)
If WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH shall never die that includes WHOSOEVER believeth but doesnt repent.
@swingman24 "Why would just believing be enough?" Because we're saved in accordance with the RICHES of HIS GRACE." When one believes that just believing is not enough, GUESS WHAT? They don't have faith in Christ, and thus are not saved.
I always suspected Eric and Kent Hovind to support this heresy since they too used the "WOTM" method to explain the gospel. But Kent never says in his seminars that he "repented of his sin" when he got saved, just that he "asked Jesus to save him".
I've never heard him say it either although he added repentance to the invitation at the end of the more recent seminar videos. I also noticed that he left the story of him leading the guy in the tent @ the IL fair out of some of them.
I never really understood why he seemed to switch sides on the issue b/c he seemed to lean against it. I had thought he was just naive about WOTMs use of the term 'repentance' until i found Eric actually fully supports it and I would now assume Kent did as well
Kudos for making this video. Lordship Salvation is straight from hell, keeping it's adherents focused on their behavior, and worse, the behavior of others, all the while remaining disobedient to God's plan of salvation, which is by grace through faith in Christ alone.
gore53 2 weeks ago
Very sound teaching. In my own experience, while I was in the false realm of Lordship Salvation, I needed to be hypocritical in order to make others believe that I was saved. Deep down, I knew that the 'repentance from sin' requirement had a major flaw. I could not reconcile the free gift of grace alongside the need to turn away from my sins. The moment I believed and trusted the work of Jesus, I was set free. It was so near, yet so far, so to speak. Christians must gain from this video.
StraightChap 2 months ago
Why doesn't Todd answer his own questions about lust first? Why does he assume the man he's talking to has a problem with lust? I guess everyone else except Todd Friel occasionally experiences lust. There is a difference between temptation and acting on the temptation, too. I'm glad Todd Friel is perfect. There is at least one perfect person in this world. What a relief.
CautiousSaint 5 months ago
So, is John MacArthur saying that children go to hell if they do not make it to adulthood to be saved? And isn't MacArthur also Calvinist? If he believes in election, isn't one elected from the foundation of the world, which means even before they are born--which means they are elected even when they are a child. So, is does he teach that elect children who die go to heaven while non-elect children go to hell? His theology makes a very confusing soup.
CautiousSaint 5 months ago
1► Whoever made this video also disagrees with the words of Jesus. To REPENT, means to 'TURN-AWAY' from sin.---> JESUS SAID: "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3)
2►Repentance is not a work.. but a necessary heart-change. ---> For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.( 2 Corinthians 7:10)
3►God resists the proud,But gives grace to the humble.(James 4:6)
Eszlee1 1 year ago
You misunderstand again, no one, me or them, teach that you stop sinning as a saved person, listen and watch more and you will see that time and time again as they say it "Christian stumble, and sometimes mess up ". However, there is a difference in stumbling and living your life continually in sin. John 1:5-10. Is he contradicting himself? No, he is talking about walking in a lifestyle of sin. He is saying if you walk in darkness, you are not saved, but if you say you have no sin, same thing.
adamfelder 1 year ago 3
@adamfelder What do you think "their fruit" is in matthew 7?
jleu777 1 year ago
@adamfelder : I think you meant 1st John 1:5-10.
You worded that perfect with clarity. If anyone says he has no sin, he's a liar.
Eszlee1 1 year ago
Could you really take, espc. Todd anymore out of context? I mean really? You must have an axe to grind. I watch the show myself, and he constantly says we will stumble and mess up, but it will not be our lifestyle. He doesn't teach, none of them, that in order to be saved you must earn it. Have you not researched this at all? Good works are the PRODUCT of salvation. You shall know them by their fruits. A saved person will act like a saved person.
adamfelder 1 year ago
@adamfelder Are you saying a saved person can not sin then? B/c Jesus says "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit" If fruit is works then you have to say saved people can not sin!
This only shows the sloppy interpretations of this crowd and their inconsistencies.
It looks like you are the one that needs to do your research, try reading the bible.
jleu777 1 year ago
@adamfelder The Matthew 7 reference to fruits is in relation to false prophets not believers. Unless you're a genuine clairvoyant you don't know what somebody believes. Fortunately God does, and He is going to have something to say about those who preach another gospel, that which is a false gospel, that makes salvation conditional upon bearing fruit, working extra to supplement what Jesus said IS FINISHED.
gore53 2 weeks ago
I was a faithful listener to Ray and Todd for two years, I also went out witnessing with them, I also had dinner with Ray and several people from a small church one night, also one of the reporters for Way of the Master lived at our home for 6 months. I agree with your video, they are sincere , although I cannot agree with the works doctrine as your video states. They are more concerned with atheists and false converts than getting people saved. They also love media fame. Todd is a entertainer.
TheDenverBronco 1 year ago
I was also once a fan, because most of their early work was not as blatant. Once a friend got the two season set on DVD
On clip he was talking to a holiness pentecostal. She kept insisting you must be baptized to be saved but Ray didnt correct her on that. I suppose either b/c many of his fans are in that camp, or because he viewed her adding baptism as "a repentant heart..."
Do you disagree that he is teaching works? He tells people they must stop sinning to be saved???
jleu777 1 year ago
Can you reconcile these to verses? I can. "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:' 1John 3:4 and "If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1John 1:10 As christians we do not make sin our practice or lifestyle why? we have a new nature. Second verse as christians we still sin and we need to confess it to maintain fellowship are relationship stays the same because we belong to Christ. Modern preachers hate the word repentance. Why? I dont buy the works thing.
freesalvation7 1 year ago
Did Christ preach repentance? "The time is fulfilled, the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15 Saying repentance is works is a lot of hot air. If a person is trusting in their repentance than it is not repentance its reformation and that is works. If a person is trusting Christ alone then they are saved but no one is trusting Christ alone that has not turned to Christ from sin. This is so basic and elementary. No repentance then no Trusting its that simple.
freesalvation7 1 year ago
Repentance is works Salvation is such Hot Air I cannot even believe someone would come up with something like this. I believe people are against repentance for one reason, and one reason only. WHY? They dont want to repent. Its that simple saying it is works is a straw man for a deeper problem. My friends wife professed to be a christian until she heard Hells Best Kept Secret than she got off the works wagon and Trusted Christ alone she never new she was saved but now she knows. HOT AIR
freesalvation7 1 year ago
5 star video Thank you for standing up for the grace message against these works salvation heretics. So many have been bewitched into bad doctrine by these super stars of evangelism it is so sad people rather listen to them then what Jesus said in John 3:16.
nightverse 2 years ago
Christ said it is finished. Nobody can put a price on eternal life. Not one person could afford to pay for it. Not me, not you, not anybody on this planet. If we all got together we couldn't add up enough works to earn it in a million lifetimes. Only Christ can afford to pay the tab. Only Christ is qualified for the job. I don't remember Christ asking any of us to be references on His resume. He didn't ask for any help. If you think Christ's resume is lacking then cut Him out of the Bible.
johnthreesixteen316 2 years ago
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How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
Is faith a work? or is it a Gift from Christ?
All you are doing is causing division, you need to repent, and then turn from your sin. And put your trust in Him.
I'll keep you in prayer
blindfire4christ 2 years ago
Yeah, Sad, Repent, did you kind of miss that part?
Jesus first words in his public ministry?
You have to Repent, anc change your mind.
Look at Jonah Repentace is a change of mind. otherwise anysinner can mutilate grace and get into heaven. Repentance and grace are in the same cup.
blindfire4christ 2 years ago
Rom 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Repentance in Jonah was not for spiritual salvation, but to prevent God's physical destruction of the city. If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.(Jer 18:8)
And your 2nd statment is blatantly wrong, romans says where sin did abound grace did much more abound not that it was mutilated. You're saying we have to deserve grace at least in part
jleu777 2 years ago
I'm not going to argue with you. You attack these godly men. and say they are wicked. Seriously? Have you not listened to the radio show? Call in on friday and ask Todd Friel to explain grace and repentance. Don't profess to be wise, and attack another brother in Christ.
blindfire4christ 2 years ago
1. If they are teaching works then they are hardly "Godly Men" so im marking them like the bible says to do with false teachers.
2. You are the one that posted a comment attacking me first and now your not man enough to finish it. Of course the bible does pretty much destory your position so i cant blame you there.
3. How about you call todd for me and tell him to watch my viedo.
jleu777 2 years ago
@jleu777 Romans 6:1-2 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
adamfelder 1 year ago
Throw away your bibles.
flabbyhabbybabby1 2 years ago
Whoever made this video slandering the brethern is a donkey.
No man can serve two masters... Matthew 6:24.
If you are saved, Jesus is you Lord and you love Him. If you are not saved, Jesus is not your Lord, and you hate him.
Jesus said this in Matthew 6:24. Not Pope MacArthur, Todd Friel, or Ray Comfort.
Get a life and crack your bible open. Don't just believe in Sola Scriptura. Believe in tota Scriptura.
mandemonic63 2 years ago
GREAT another sinlessly perfect disicple of paul washer and his cronies.
Maybe you should read the rest of what He said "mr tota scriptura"
"Whosoever committeth sin IS THE SERVANT of sin"
So unless you never committed another sin once you were saved then you are serving two masters and aren't really saved ACCORDING TO YOU
Now go ahead water down your original statment like the rest of ur kind about how you must submit & love him in order to be saved when you dont even keep his commandments
jleu777 2 years ago
ray c. sounds legit but he doesnt know the truth afterall he teaches we are dead in our sins..he even states he himslef has a deceitful wicked heart as he stand & preaches..while god demands anyone man who preaches {actually anyone} to be perfect as me...thesinmuststop followed up with org at the end go watch listen ..seared? deaf?--bother me NOT..heed or wait die 'n see salvation is conditional only scholars can reach around the simple text to define an itching message from the truth.
dubvishun 2 years ago
since when does disciple=saved?
judas i. was a disciple and he's burning in hell right now
jrmrprkr 2 years ago 4
Great video! I'll be praying God kills all these heretics soon before they can deceive anyone else. God can sort out which of them are saved or not on the day of judgment.
Proverbsc1v26 2 years ago
WOW!!!! love your explanation of repentance toward the mid/end!!! That's how I explain it. That's what the Bible says, 100%. Love it bro. Can I be part of the ridiculously small group of youtubers who actually understand salvation and repentance? Why do so many not get the fact that our soul is saved at salvation, not our flesh? Exactly, we must daily, hourly, every minute fight against sin, and many times lose. But this has nothing to do with salvation, only our unsaved flesh(come on rapture)!
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
amen
poolboy22v 2 years ago
Agree with video. I just don't think because someone is wrong on doctrine that means he is going to hell -------------------------IF-------------------IF-----------IF when they were saved they believed the right gospel. If when they were saved they believed salvation was a free gift received ONLY by faith, than they are saved 100% like anyone else. If they were trusting in any way their works, or repentance from sins, than they are lost. I think they are saved, than got screwed up later.
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
luv of truth, digging deep , stop sinning lest theb worse thing comes upon them, only after a season of godly sorrow broken heartness repentence {duration} a dilligence & zeal of striving to make any wrongs from the past right showing themselves clear in matters proving themselves & since they dug deep they will then come to the knowledge of the ONE truth..then yes,,, if they didnt willingly sin thereafter & NOT depend on grace alone {God forbid} shall they escape hell. salvation = conditional
dubvishun 2 years ago
very good video brother, good job.
I have a video exposing Ray Comfort and Paul Washer...2 heretics destined for hell.
I'll be putting more videos up exposing these heretics.
God Bless~
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
Well said, jleu777. In my "brainouty" channel I made a spoof song against Lordship Salvation called the "Faith Repentance Works Rag" using Tom Lehrer's Vatican Rag music at the background.
brainout1 2 years ago
HAH ! I liked how you said, " The movie maker won't let me put anymore" :) That was classic :D
Great video !!!
AshleyKJBonly 2 years ago
yes but to know if it is true saving grace, the "evidence" of that will be a changed life, a changing life, to full completion, when you are present before the Lord. How can James 2:14-26 be ignored?
It's not a matter of "striving to stop sinning". It's being sensetive to it and not wanting to by the working of the Holy Spirit.
dynasue77 2 years ago
James is talking about being justified before man, not about how to tell someone is saved.
"shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."
If the answer to james question "can faith save him?" is no like you want it to be than Rom 4:5 is a contradiction.
You guys have been harping about one section in James 2 thats been answered over and over, what about the rest of the bible? When are you going to answer Rom 4:5 & all the believe verses.
jleu777 2 years ago
Also how does "turning from sin" and "obey" mean sensitive willingness to not want to?
Also that is soooo dumb because if youre willing then you would do it! The fact you still sin is evidence you ARE NOT willing.
obedience and turning does not mean willing obedience is doing it.
All these people clearly mean that if keep sinning after youre saved then you cant be saved. Its works! how hard is it?
jleu777 2 years ago
HEY LISTEN SALVATION IS NOT OF THE WORKS OF THE LAW , or striving to stop sinning,
Romans 4:5- But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSSNESS
Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
See right here, a man having no works but believes, his faith will save him.
AndyLovesTruth 2 years ago
So as far as the word of God is concerned, what you are doing is abominable in the site of God, and i suggest you take these videos down as fast as possible before you do damage to anyones walk with God. The Lord will not excuse this matter. You have been warned
dynasue77 2 years ago
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
chookna 2 years ago
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
chookna 2 years ago
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
chookna 2 years ago
James 2:14-26 (King James Version)
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
chookna 2 years ago
Look, how hard is it to understand? God just wants us to come to him as we are. we don't have to jump through all of these hoops like a lot of religions do, baptism ,sacraments, etc. These works Paul was talking about has nothing to do with the evidences of saving grace. The bible is loaded with this obvious fact
chookna 2 years ago
Four words explain the mindset of these types "They love their sin"
chookna 2 years ago
This sounds like the same garbage andrew bain sprouts on about, hyper calvinist nonsense
chookna 2 years ago
Youre the one saying God will force people to do things after theyre saved and youre calling ME hyper calvinist? hahahahahahahaa
jleu777 2 years ago
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chookna 2 years ago
maybe one! haha why would i want to waste my time listenting to some queer sissy heretic like paul washer?
jleu777 2 years ago
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chookna 2 years ago
you people are too much. im just going to make another video answering all this crap and then be done with it. i have better things to do on a saturday than debate on the internet
jleu777 2 years ago
Don't run away, and hide behind videos like andrew bain, stay and discuss, you're too important are you?
chookna 2 years ago
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
chookna 2 years ago
By their fruits you shall know them. Obedience follows faith. You can't be obedient without faith, and you can't have faith without obedience. It makes no sense.
Jesus set people free from sin. He conquered sin and death and therefore those who believe will be set free also.
The very definition of repentance is having great sorrow over sin, and having the desire to do better. Turning from sin is the fuit of repentance.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
I guess God had sorrow over sin more than man then according to the bibble.
all you've said was refuted in the video.
And what VERSE says HAVING A DESIRE TO DO BETTER. None of them ever mention a "desire to repent" to be a disiple. They mention DOING, not willing to do.
jleu777 2 years ago
No God doesn't sin. He was sorry He made man. Like the scriptures say.
They don't need to say "desire to repent". Repentance is ultimately turning from sin.
Is believing not a work if man is capable of doing so? Yes, but even faith is a gift from God, which no man can excercise save God allow him to.
We repent because we believe, and if we believe we will repent. Repentance and faith go hand in hand.
Jesus said unless you repent you will likewise perish. Was He wonrg?
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
Then where do the rest of the verses say sorry FOR SIN? No verse in the bible says, "repent of your sins"
Faith is not a gift, no verse says that. God has dealt to every man the measure of faith and we choose what put it in.
Watch my other video on ray comfort and read the comments for both of these, every arguemnt has been answered including luk 13.
jleu777 2 years ago
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chookna 2 years ago
I listened and heard, but they spoke not aright: no man [[repented him of his wickedness,]] saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rushes into the battle. Jeremiah 8:6
But it does say repent of wickedness.
Faith IS a gift!
"Faith is not a gift, no verse says that."
You have obviously glanced over Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are you saved through faith; and [[that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:]] Faith is a gift from God.
JoshnJesus 2 years ago
This verse is talking about backsliding. read the verse before:
Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.
The bible says turning from wickedness, sin, ect. is WORKS. "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way"
Grace is the gift of God in Eph 2:8 not faith read the next chapter. You people are so desperate for a verse its sad.
jleu777 2 years ago
Faith will be backed up by the proof that it is present in a person.
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
chookna 2 years ago
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We know that men are saved by repentance and faith and whoever does call upon the
name of the Lord shall be saved. But salvation is a supernatural work of God that will
always produce fruit. And the evidence, not the cause, but the evidence of salvation is a
changed life, a changing life. Jesus made this very clear in Matthew chapter seven when
he said, You shall know them by their fruits. Paul Washer
chookna 2 years ago
Fruits is referring to converts if you would read it in context.
Of course paul washer and his fanboys dont knw how to do that apparently.
jleu777 2 years ago
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How did you jump to the conclusion that i said that God forces people to do things when their saved? It's the Holy Spirit man, it's being sensitive to your sin, God looks after his own. And the "fruit" is Christ likeness not converts. Have you ever actually listened to a whole sermon by Paul Washer?
chookna 2 years ago
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chookna 2 years ago
I love finding Christians on youtube who actually seem to read the Bible and not ignore what it says.
People just want to add repentance so they can say that THEY did something.
Your WORKS are what got you in the fix you are in anyway. Don't think they can save you now.
I mean, if you did have to repent of your sins to be saved, than a lot of the Bible is wrong. =/
Great video there, jleu777.
Kloudes 2 years ago
John MacArthur the pope of lordship salvation, LOL.
AlCh1990 2 years ago 2
I really didn't get what that Todd Friel idiot was talking about when he mentioned Steven Anderson's short hair and somehow connected that to not having cable. What does he mean by that?
AlCh1990 2 years ago 2
John Macarthur just might be the best bible teacher and expositor around today. And Ray Comfort is not too bad either. They are right on when they say faith AND REPENTENCE. Why would just believing be enough? Doesn't the bible say that the demons, themselves, believe. And yet they are not "saved". you might want to study the bible a little bit more thoroughly before you start spouting nonsense like this.
swingman24 2 years ago
The demons believe there is one God. They don't believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
AlCh1990 2 years ago 2
Well then i just disproved the best bible teacher and expositor around today wrong that the bible never mentions an example of a child being saved.
Demons, angels and the like cant be saved anyway.(1Pe 1:12) Demons certainly acknowledge the existence of God however they do not believe on him for salvation.
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (Jhn11:26)
If WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH shall never die that includes WHOSOEVER believeth but doesnt repent.
jleu777 2 years ago
"WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH shall never die that includes WHOSOEVER believeth but doesnt repent. "
Are you really sure about that? You do understand this makes Christs work of none effect by beleiving this.
chookna 2 years ago
I've heard this comment so many times when it comes to the repentance fight
"Doesn't the bible say that the demons, themselves, believe. And yet they are not "saved"."
NO it doesn't to answer your question simply. Plus even if they did believe on Christ, Christ didn't die for angels, he died for man.
greenflush 2 years ago
@swingman24 "Why would just believing be enough?" Because we're saved in accordance with the RICHES of HIS GRACE." When one believes that just believing is not enough, GUESS WHAT? They don't have faith in Christ, and thus are not saved.
gore53 2 weeks ago
I always suspected Eric and Kent Hovind to support this heresy since they too used the "WOTM" method to explain the gospel. But Kent never says in his seminars that he "repented of his sin" when he got saved, just that he "asked Jesus to save him".
greenflush 2 years ago
I've never heard him say it either although he added repentance to the invitation at the end of the more recent seminar videos. I also noticed that he left the story of him leading the guy in the tent @ the IL fair out of some of them.
I never really understood why he seemed to switch sides on the issue b/c he seemed to lean against it. I had thought he was just naive about WOTMs use of the term 'repentance' until i found Eric actually fully supports it and I would now assume Kent did as well
jleu777 2 years ago