1) Why are you asking Americans and not Hondurans?
2) Why didn't you provide then with the entire picture about Zelaya trying to overcome the constitution?
Easy to say democratically elected presidents can't be removed by force. I can say that too. But when the president rips the constitution it is the DUTY of the military, by LAW, to remove that president. And the army left the government for civilians immediately after.
Military did the right thing here unlike obama who is a complete statists who opposes freedom. There was an attempted coup in Honduras, but it was Zelaya who initiated it, not his opponents.
"A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress." But Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Chavez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela.
Only also forgot to mention the military transfered the power back to someone else in the same party. So your question is dishonest from the get go. Your worse than the MSM.
They do when the president tries to illegally subvert the constitution and stuffed the ballot boxes with the help of Hugo chavez. ( I'd advise you read the Honduras constituion.)
hahahhaa,,,why you dont ask ,,,if the president want change the constitution?and the hondurean army is not in power,,stuped,,,sorry for my english ,,,,soy de honduras
if you dont know the honduras law or have not even taken the time to read on it, shut the hell up.
if anyone came to me and asked me the questions she asked, i would have replied the same way, but because i have read what happened in honduras, i have read the articles in the constitution that pertain to this situation, i would not answer the same...get my point?..this girl that asked the questions was probably paid 15 lmps too!
I am no expert on Honduras but I believe a few things were being overlooked. 1. He was trying to subvert the constitution (ie overturn what he was sworn to protect) 2. The Honduras Supreme Court authorized the legal (by Honduras law) remove of the President by the army. Lets stay the hell out of their country since they did it by their own laws.
you should have seen what happened today. they burned fast food buildings and a bus for no reason in the middle of a busy road. schools once again have been cancelled.. at this rate these kids are going to repeat the grade if they keep going with this bull****. Random people get payed to go to these rallies, they dont go voluntarily. its sad to see that my country has gotten like this. they keep saying that they dont want to cause any more deaths, but what these protesters need is a wake up call
TELL OBAMA TO BRING SUIT AGAINST HONDURAN GOVERNMENT IN ANY COURT IN THE USA......Wanna bet the Court throw the case out after REVIEW THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE OF ZELAYA BREAKING HONDURAN LAW! HONDURAN SUPREME COURT VOTED 15-0 IN FAVOR OF HIS ARREST AND REMOVAL! HONDURAN NATIONAL CONGRESS VOTED 122-6 IN FAVOR OF MICHELLETI! ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SUPREME COURT ISSUED ARREST WARRANTS FOR ZELAYA! TELL OBAMA TO TAKE IT TO THE WORLD COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of question is that? This girl is dirty and twisting the UNinformed to post opinions to suit her point of view....That is all she has along with Obama!
Zelaya VIOLATED THEIR COSNTITUTION! WHY NOT SAY DO YOU SUPPORT REMOVAL OF A PRESIDENT IF HE IS BREAKING THE LAW?
u ignorant sons of bitches! i suggest u read some facts before giving your opinions. This shit makes me sick, all u fukrs care about is football and michael jackson (forgetting the fact that he raped kids while alive, MJ burn in hell). But back to what I was saying, Zelaya was trying to take control of the military in the first place, reason enough for them to fight back. Oh and did I forget to mention that he wiped his ass with our constitution? It was an impeachment, does Nixon ring any bells?
stop founding dictatorships in latinamerica, get this you never could and never will because latinamerica it's not in the 60's anymore, just stop that !!!
besides americans need to live a big crisis to leran how we feel in a banana republic, fuck cia!! fuck zionists!! fuck the usa!! theyre micky mouse, britney and poor dead michael jackson
americans are afraid of latin america resurging, the new "left", is kiking ass to the big money familys, add russia, china and iran and you have a bunch of zionists shiting theyre white asses
It is PSEUDO or wannabe journalists like yourself that cause sooo much harm in the world. You are dealing with the lives of 8 million people, more the entire population of that island you are on called Manhattan! This is NO joke, you make a mockery of the situation. You are PATHETIC! U got it all wrong! He violated the very Constitution that states that if he does, he is OUT, IMMEDIATELY, no impeachment process. Art. 239. Read B4 U talk!!! Educate yourself! Pathetic!
And for the record here in Honduras whe are living in peace everything is normal and quiet there is NOT repression to the people go to their work as normal, students go to their classes only a little part of honduras people supports the corrupt ex-president zelaya
Zelaya was elected but he was a corrupt and with strong bonds with drug dealers i am from Honduras and the vast majority of the people dont want Zelaya to come back to Honduras what happened is NOT a military coup instead is a constitutional succesion that is a right for the people
Zelaya corrupt? Hey buddy, the corrupt morons are the United Fruit Company that owns over 80% of Honduras Bananas crops. Now these morons, along with right wing US elite assholes are the ones calling the shots.....corrupt, are the ones like Robert Michelliti and his cronies
Micheletti IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS. When Zelaya violated this Constitution, under that exact Constitution he ceased being president. Therefore, the military acted on the authority of their Congress & Supreme Court to remove him. IT WAS NOT A COUP! No matter what the clown prince (CHAVEZ) says!
yes, he is....you must study our laws before any comment. Most of the people in Honduras are happy and free without Zelaya and his corruption. The people supporting him are commun criminmals that receive money to stand for him ja!
Yes, is sad, one, just one person was killed with the bullet of one of Zelayas suporters.did you know that? The parents of that young boy, reconfirm the fact that their son received L.300.00 lempiras ($15.00) as a payment to go and support Mel. Instead he receive a gun shot from the same group he was part of. Wounded..ja, the people that are causing damages are Zelayas fallowers, breaking windows, setting fire to tires and doing bad things...look up for more videos. U dont live here, right?
3) Hes already got Iraqs and Russias support. No Honduran citizen understood or believed this when Venezuelan people cried out for their freedom until we faced this horrible assault, until it was our turn to suffer what they once suffered. Do you think this could never happen to U.S.A.? Think again, Open your eyes. Remember, NOBODY thought the Titanic would sink. Open your eyes and do something NOW, while you still have the chance.
3)There are 3 major bannanas exporting companies are owned by the US and some right wing rich elite Hondurans. They control over 80% of its revenue from, thats right...Honduras. They are practically the ones dominated Honduras politics.
2) Did you know there have been more dead people during Zelaya's presidential period than dead people in Iraq? Did you know mysterious Venezuelan planes stopped landing in hidden roads (yes!! roads) since Zelaya was outsted? (I remember lights were off during these landings and came back as soon as these planes took off) I know this for a fact, I live here. But Chavezs biggest ambition is to have ALL Latin American countries under his leftist dictatorship, and then, make his final move, U.S.A.
2)Historically, military coups in Latin America have been carried out by leaders trained at the US-run School of the Americas located in Fort Benning, Georgia. And today in Honduras, the military leaders in question, including General Vásquez, are former attendees of the controversial training center.
1) We do NOT want Zelaya. And for those who still think this issue in Honduras is not their problem, think again and carefully. Chavez is taking possession of Latin American countries, one by one, hes got the means to do it (money), means provided by Venezuelan oil and drugs (FARC). He sponsored Mel Zelayas campaign; He is buying peoples allegiances to protest against democracy and freedom here in Honduras. Hes sponsoring infiltrates to make riots and weaken the country.
1)There is nothing in the Honduran Congress that justifies the action taken to kidnap a president and expel him from the country. That is not justified by the Honduran Constitution. That's simply a smokescreen being used now, the same way it was used in Venezuela and Haiti, to justify what is a political coup staged by the political class and by the military in Honduras.
If they were so sure people didnt want this guy,why they didnt let him go for that special vote,something is wrong here,they were desperate and the only way to stop him was using force,and no democracy,why they didnt go for a referemdun.
More than anything,this report shows how little the reporter understands what happened or is just a tool for some wrong cause. The more anyone studies what has happened in Honduras the last couple of years, the current position of Obama/Clinton to reinstate Zeyaya is puzzling and sadly wrong.
Tipped off by what the guy in the red shirt said about the 2nd Amendment: While where I come from we don't have such a right (in fact, guns are prohibited), our Constitution states a right to resistance against anyone trying to change "the order" of checks and balances in politics. Now, isn't that hypocritical?
You need to be living here, the military was executing a court order, this questions only ask for a part of the scenario. Why don't you ask: What would you do if your president is breaking the law and is doing things no matter if the Congress or a Judge is telling him what he is doing is illegal ?? Your question really sucks !!!
cmon... the president was doing illegal stuff and that is the excuse for doing another illegal procedure by throwing him out of Honduras?... I live in Honduras and there's no article in our constitution that says the military can do that, Zelaya was wrong, I support that but that was not the way to solve things
Mr Zelaya broke the law, REPEATEDLY, to achieve his 'AUTO-COUP'. Our history has shown this scenario several times, that is why our constitution is rigid in this way. We have a civil government and, sadly 1 death. Don't turn your back on a peaceful, little country who followed it´s laws & constitution IN DEFENSE of democracy.
First get your definitions right. There is 'golpe de estado', 'golpe militar', 'golpe de palacio', 'auto-golpe', and 'contra-golpe'. Mr Zelaya is, WITHIN Honduras, very UNPOPULAR. He made an 'auto-golpe', that is, perpetuating himself once ELECTED. Our Constitution was made to automatically eject those 'AUTOCRATS', and thus we, the people, aprove the LEGAL & CONSTITUTIONAL way ALL our institutions acted. The military followed orders, and we have AGAIN restored constitutional order.
that it were a coup or not which to my point it is not one because power is still being run by a non military but a political person. The Hondurans think that it was about time that the people had the spheres to do it. Military acted upon the Supreme Court were it is stated on the constitution that military should obey it. The supreme court that is not political but civil acted upon the LAW.
Many people do not really know what happened in Honduras and the idea of people thinking this is a millitary coup simply ignore and have never lived one in their life. I have been living In Central America for 34 years and I lived 2 coups in Guatemala. Being a young kid this stayed in my mind for the rest of my life. Now that I am in Honduras and this here happened independantly
Isn't it a coup if the military runs the country? That's not what happened in Honduras. Congress elected an interim president until the upcoming election. The military only acted under orders from their supreme court. Zelaya was trying to change the constitution for his benefit. It could've been done in a better way but something had to be done. The 'coup' was justified.
Former Honduran President won his presedential election as a conservative candidate and as President shifted into the left wing, becoming close friends with Hugo Chavez.
Following Chavez's adive he called for a referendum to modify the constitution, The Supreme Court, Congress and the Electoral Council told him it was ilegal, but still he went on with his mission to turn Honduras into Venezuela or Cuba.
So I ask you, should we have waited until this happend to react??
No in fact they where planning to have a refrendum and the refrendum would not a have final say the congress would be in it as and to tell you the truth Vevezuela is not like Cuba.. the first is a democracy with an elected goverment the second is one party state... where do you get your info from Fox news? South America have hade history of military dictatorships.. this is what this is all about.. the military trying to create a facist state.. again
Eopyk, what can I tell you, I live in Tegucigalpa, so its one thing to see things from the US and another is to be onsite and know thw facts. I aware of the political aspects of both Cuba and Venezuela and was stating that we would have a dictatorship as in Cuba or a "Democracy" as in Venezuela... By the way Honduras is in Central America, not South America.
The Military carried out orders dictated by the Supreme Court and are currently not in power so where is the fascist state?
But what many argue is was the military and the Supreme court did was it justified? Because think wjat you want about the president but he was elected? And was this refrendum so deeply against the constituion? And is the thing your voting for so dangerous? Just extending presidential periods like the US has 2 periods. And by the way I am from Sweden.
Everytinh he did was against the constitution: According to Honduran Constitution anyone who promotes a reelection or a referendum to do so should be removed from office and accused of treason. Whether we like it or not its the constitution..... Can you speak spanish? I could send you documents so you can get a better idea. I am not defending or am in favor of Coups, but believe me if he was not removed from office and ousted there would have been bloodshed in the Country.....
Removing him from office for performing an illegal and treasonous act, justified his removal, arrest and prosecution; his ejection from the country, although illegal even under the same constitution, probably saved lives as mobs would have probably followed his prior example where he led a mob in an engagement to remove ballots from a guarded air force base 2 days before.
The huge, and I can't quite stress this as much as it should be, difference or inequality present in our social and economic spheres allows for this type of actions to be taken. The poor literally have no voice nor knowledge as to how to best have their concerns and needs be heard, for which they are taken advantage of by mediocre politicians who, with slow spoken simple rhetoric and costumes, find ways to appeal to the masses and falsely appear like one of their own who will fight for them.
the president of Honduras was clearly trying to change term limits in direct violation of the country's constitution. the guy was trying to turn the country into a dictatorship. plus the military had the backing of the legislature who the majority is in the same party as the president. go Honduras for protecting democracy.
No he was going to have and refrendum to chnage the rules that one should have the right be president longer then one small period it was going to be trough a refrendum. That is democracy the military did this against the people and against the democratic vote the right wing militaries have hade dictatorship before in south africa remember Pinochet of Chille?
There are ways for these actions to be legally performed, and although this might be something to actually and consciously ask of the majority, it is not the duty of the president to do so under our law. Surely, the top sociopolitical spheres would benefit and lose under new presidential terms but it would also allow for more development of the right (and wrong) agendas and plans that could provide benefits (or detriments) to that same majority.
Is this a question for the majority? Sure enough. Should it be asked by the president using his own terms, materials and controls? Certainly not. He could have simply reminded people the power they have on their representatives if they wish to change the laws instead of taking it upon himself to do so, specially considering his new affilliations with men who have forcibly changed either constitutional law or order. He could have taught how and what to do if change is really wanted.
The Honduran President was attempting to make himself a dictator.
He was also promoting the illegal drug trade. The Honduran military removed him with the backing of the people. In other words, they fought for the democracy that was being taken away from them.
He and the newly installed President are currently involved in talks.
Military coup means beginning of a long term instability and unrest.
Just look at Pakistan for an example; ever since their coup since late 90s, the country has not been able to find its place and has become a haven for all sort of craziness.
I made a general statement learning from history typically military coups have created nothing but instability of government. If Hondura had a solid and implementable constitution, then Hondura's president would have been impeached or at the very least pressured to change his ways.
Wait a few years and then revisit this comment only then you will truly see what I meant.
Pakistan is a bad example because it's bordered by "theocracy" it's not easy to run a country when you have that much nutty shit going on all around you .
This is such a complicated issue. It would be easy to say that it's better if the people just protest and demand their leader to be thrown out if they don't like what he/she is doing, because that ALWAYS works... *cough, Iran cough cough*
But what if the people didn't know that their leader was doing something REALLY bad (like the next Hitler or something) and there was a huge cover-up and everything. And only the military knew about it and had the power to stop it?
Then the aliens could take over, and maybe Wacko Jacko would be cloned and made president of Honduras thru the evil doings of mexican albino midgets to take back California thru a complicated plan of overthrowing US hegemony and place the new Zuuull tribal leaders from outer space to become the new dominant species in Earth and take our women as sexual slaves for their house decorations? I get ya! Conspiracy!! I knew Wacko Jacko wasnt dead!!
US assclowns always just repeat whatever there favorite comedienne or rock star tells them too then go around acting like they have an actually opinion about a subject they know nothing about.
The US for starters, especially in the 80's during the Cold War, the 90's during the War on Drugs and now as a source for cheap labor for many US companies. Well, perhaps not that last one anymore.
Where is the RT coverage of the Coup in Hogwarts that Voldemort and Slytherin are about to engage in in a few days?! Where is the outrage in that! Thought so. Blatant Russian bias.
The coup in Honduras was wrong....and so was the one in Hogwarts!!!
his term was up, and their laws state that he could not run again, so he wanted to change the law. you can't just change the law. should they have woken him up and flown him out of the country in his pj's? no. but you can't change laws to whatever you want.
It's not just the military, subverting the process of government or something. Zelaya was the one breaking laws. The Congress and Supreme Court of Honduras are on the side of the people. This so-called coup is actually democracy working itself out, not some illegal military overthrowal.
if they acted within the bounds of the honduran law then why did the UN say it was illegal?
whats is so wrong with extending his term another 4 years? have you been to honduras? its pretty much the same how we do it here.
General Romeo Vasquez, the man Zelaya fired.. is a graduate from the school of americas located here in the U.S.. graduates from this school become leaders back in their own countries and torture and kill innocent people...
because the UN, and the US, and everyone else likes to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. And no I have not been to Honduras, but I study Latin American Politics and if anyone who has actually read about the situation rather than spew back what they heard on the TV would know that there was no coup. Zelaya was trying to illegally change the constitution against the will of the people. The Military acted within the bounds outlined by their supreme court.
The president was planning a referendum on scrapping the constitution despite the referendum being outlawed by the constitution.
The head of the army was fired for refusing to allow the army to distribute ballot papers for the illegal referendum. The coup was endorsed by the Honduran Supreme Court so technically it was not illegal.
I wish you would understand that if the overthrow was based on legal terms, then why wasn't he put on trial and overthrown in that manner? It doesn't make sense. He was taken out at gunpoint and now the established gov. is in the position to abuse many people's rights and freedoms. Who knows what other things will happen to those who oppose them
..usually a military is established to protect a countries constitution. Not olny are they "allowed" they are obligated to get involved when a President goes rogue. IF ONLY IT WORKED THAT WAY EVERYWHERE.........
They should have done a vote of no Confidence, they should have vetoed the president and used the other two branches of the government and asked the president out of office, if he did not then it is justifiable....I think the Military was a bit over bounds and did it their way.
Pfft. Lori, Statians can't keep up with two different electoral upsets in one go. They have enough trouble with Iran, don't throw Honduras into the mix.
Actually, next time, bring a map and see if they can point to where Honduras is.
Do soldiers have a right to throw out their own president when ordered to do so by their Supreme Court because their president went behind Congress' back to rewrite the constitution? Yes.
This might really seem extreme but I think the one thing that makes sure any government does not violate the rights of any group of individuals is sucession. The ability to simply dissolve the relationship between citizen and government and create a new one always keeps government trembling before the people.
The Honduran example is when the ballot fails,use the bullet. I wonder if there is a provision in the Honduran constitution,for removing politicians?
If there is,and it wasn't used,then the military was wromg. But if there was ample evidence,that malfeasence had occurred,and the court system failed o step in,that would be justified.
Is it legal to kidnap a president and fly him out of the country because he wants to hold a referendum on whether or not to change the law? The USA government and its European Allies really have a problem with democracies when they don't like who has been elected. They would be much happier if things were done the American way with the candidates being chosen by the elites and then the election being rigged to produce the best possible outcome. US democracy! You gotta love it!
I think it depends on the constitution of that country. From what I have read about Honduras the military can be used to eject a president, if he has been found to be partaking in illegal activities. If this is true and he was trying to change their constitution illegally, then they did the right thing.
We vote for a president, we get that president. When he or she ain't doing the right things, we should protest and let OUR VOICES be HEARD, but certainly certainly not gonna use military or coup for that matter. I mean everything from political, society and so on will be in chaos if that happens.
The guy at the end touting the 2nd amendment is a fool. The military has nothing to fear from citizens and their guns! Their guns are greater, and the state's only language is violence! Do you really believe they wouldn't drop one of those bombs on U.S. soil against U.S. citizens?
Creating a terrorist is as easy as this quote by Steven Colbert, "I can't prove it, but I can say it."
I am not sure every single dictator has resorted to ceasing the weapons of the people. Ceasing the weapons of the people is a military strategy. It it simply a form of immobilization that will slow and dampen resistance.
My point is, no matter how many weapons you stock pile as a citizen of the United States, if our government needs to protect the wealth, it will have no problem using military force against it's own people. In that case your guns will be nothing but bean shooters.
Sorry, but I don't trust you or anyone else to have access to grenades, tanks, missile launchers, etc etc etc... That is too much power for anyone to have. Even the wisest can not see all ends. Who can anyone truly choose who should live and who should die?
Your mistrust of someone else which is usually fueled by imagination of what they might do does not give you the right to remove someone else's rights from them based on what you have imagined what they might do. If you want to make yourself safer then penalize the crime actually committed instead of the items used to commit that crime.
I concede your point that I do not have the right to infringe on your rights based on what I fear you may do. However, it's funny you mention rights and imagination in the same sentence. Rights are in a way imaginary. They are nothing more than agreements formed by a group of people. It just so happens our group of people (The United States) have decided you don't have the right to have active grenades, tanks, missile launchers, etc etc etc. There is no infringement there, just new agreements.
Yes they where they mainly used the term National socialist to take votes and support from the socialdemocrats and the communist party that dominated Germany at the time. But Hitler despiced socialists most of them where sent to consentration camps..
We was at a young age but he rejevted that later in life he formed his facist idealogy and rejected all socialists and banned them he took away trade unions and formed corperations where all private companies worked with there workers under the head of the facist party. So no he was not a socialist unless you count his younger days.
My point is is that somewhere along the line people have gotten us to believe that the only form of govt is a totalitarian one because the left right scale that most people believe only allows us to choose this kind of totalitarianism or that kind of totalitarianism.
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enthusiasticcab6 1 year ago
dishonest journalist ? oh please ! she just try to make a point ! btw here in united states we call that not a coup but Treason.
rafyselles 2 years ago
What an example of dishonest journalism.
1) Why are you asking Americans and not Hondurans?
2) Why didn't you provide then with the entire picture about Zelaya trying to overcome the constitution?
Easy to say democratically elected presidents can't be removed by force. I can say that too. But when the president rips the constitution it is the DUTY of the military, by LAW, to remove that president. And the army left the government for civilians immediately after.
Poneglyph 2 years ago 4
long live roberto micheletti.
firstchino 2 years ago
Military did the right thing here unlike obama who is a complete statists who opposes freedom. There was an attempted coup in Honduras, but it was Zelaya who initiated it, not his opponents.
lashkaretoiba 2 years ago 2
"A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress." But Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Chavez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela.
Only also forgot to mention the military transfered the power back to someone else in the same party. So your question is dishonest from the get go. Your worse than the MSM.
lashkaretoiba 2 years ago
They do when the president tries to illegally subvert the constitution and stuffed the ballot boxes with the help of Hugo chavez. ( I'd advise you read the Honduras constituion.)
lashkaretoiba 2 years ago
hahahhaa,,,why you dont ask ,,,if the president want change the constitution?and the hondurean army is not in power,,stuped,,,sorry for my english ,,,,soy de honduras
ellocoderaleigh 2 years ago
wow...this whole video was crap...
if you dont know the honduras law or have not even taken the time to read on it, shut the hell up.
if anyone came to me and asked me the questions she asked, i would have replied the same way, but because i have read what happened in honduras, i have read the articles in the constitution that pertain to this situation, i would not answer the same...get my point?..this girl that asked the questions was probably paid 15 lmps too!
ereyes28 2 years ago
I am no expert on Honduras but I believe a few things were being overlooked. 1. He was trying to subvert the constitution (ie overturn what he was sworn to protect) 2. The Honduras Supreme Court authorized the legal (by Honduras law) remove of the President by the army. Lets stay the hell out of their country since they did it by their own laws.
gunnerfan69 2 years ago
you should have seen what happened today. they burned fast food buildings and a bus for no reason in the middle of a busy road. schools once again have been cancelled.. at this rate these kids are going to repeat the grade if they keep going with this bull****. Random people get payed to go to these rallies, they dont go voluntarily. its sad to see that my country has gotten like this. they keep saying that they dont want to cause any more deaths, but what these protesters need is a wake up call
beiba08 2 years ago
TELL OBAMA TO BRING SUIT AGAINST HONDURAN GOVERNMENT IN ANY COURT IN THE USA......Wanna bet the Court throw the case out after REVIEW THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE OF ZELAYA BREAKING HONDURAN LAW! HONDURAN SUPREME COURT VOTED 15-0 IN FAVOR OF HIS ARREST AND REMOVAL! HONDURAN NATIONAL CONGRESS VOTED 122-6 IN FAVOR OF MICHELLETI! ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SUPREME COURT ISSUED ARREST WARRANTS FOR ZELAYA! TELL OBAMA TO TAKE IT TO THE WORLD COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
madmanatsea 2 years ago
What kind of question is that? This girl is dirty and twisting the UNinformed to post opinions to suit her point of view....That is all she has along with Obama!
Zelaya VIOLATED THEIR COSNTITUTION! WHY NOT SAY DO YOU SUPPORT REMOVAL OF A PRESIDENT IF HE IS BREAKING THE LAW?
madmanatsea 2 years ago
The biggest mistake was to expell Zelaya to Costa Rica, they should have impeached him.
staleytwins 2 years ago
and the only reason the military helped kick him out is because asking him to peacefully accept his impeachment was like asking shit not to stink
cheledearriba 2 years ago
u ignorant sons of bitches! i suggest u read some facts before giving your opinions. This shit makes me sick, all u fukrs care about is football and michael jackson (forgetting the fact that he raped kids while alive, MJ burn in hell). But back to what I was saying, Zelaya was trying to take control of the military in the first place, reason enough for them to fight back. Oh and did I forget to mention that he wiped his ass with our constitution? It was an impeachment, does Nixon ring any bells?
cheledearriba 2 years ago 2
stop founding dictatorships in latinamerica, get this you never could and never will because latinamerica it's not in the 60's anymore, just stop that !!!
tmarpe 2 years ago
besides americans need to live a big crisis to leran how we feel in a banana republic, fuck cia!! fuck zionists!! fuck the usa!! theyre micky mouse, britney and poor dead michael jackson
osonixer 2 years ago
americans are afraid of latin america resurging, the new "left", is kiking ass to the big money familys, add russia, china and iran and you have a bunch of zionists shiting theyre white asses
osonixer 2 years ago
It is PSEUDO or wannabe journalists like yourself that cause sooo much harm in the world. You are dealing with the lives of 8 million people, more the entire population of that island you are on called Manhattan! This is NO joke, you make a mockery of the situation. You are PATHETIC! U got it all wrong! He violated the very Constitution that states that if he does, he is OUT, IMMEDIATELY, no impeachment process. Art. 239. Read B4 U talk!!! Educate yourself! Pathetic!
dowco1 2 years ago
The ones that needs to open their eyes are people like yourself Hondurasmylove....Adios
csanchez2009 2 years ago
And for the record here in Honduras whe are living in peace everything is normal and quiet there is NOT repression to the people go to their work as normal, students go to their classes only a little part of honduras people supports the corrupt ex-president zelaya
cherpoliyo 2 years ago 4
Zelaya was elected but he was a corrupt and with strong bonds with drug dealers i am from Honduras and the vast majority of the people dont want Zelaya to come back to Honduras what happened is NOT a military coup instead is a constitutional succesion that is a right for the people
cherpoliyo 2 years ago 2
Zelaya corrupt? Hey buddy, the corrupt morons are the United Fruit Company that owns over 80% of Honduras Bananas crops. Now these morons, along with right wing US elite assholes are the ones calling the shots.....corrupt, are the ones like Robert Michelliti and his cronies
csanchez2009 2 years ago
csanchez...you know nothinmg is just ridiculous everything you say.
sorelgabriela 2 years ago
yeah right now you're going to say that Micheleti is a constitutional president, yeah right
tmarpe 2 years ago
Micheletti IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS. When Zelaya violated this Constitution, under that exact Constitution he ceased being president. Therefore, the military acted on the authority of their Congress & Supreme Court to remove him. IT WAS NOT A COUP! No matter what the clown prince (CHAVEZ) says!
pregador27 2 years ago 2
yes, he is....you must study our laws before any comment. Most of the people in Honduras are happy and free without Zelaya and his corruption. The people supporting him are commun criminmals that receive money to stand for him ja!
sorelgabriela 2 years ago
yeah? this is why people were killed and wounded? because they were too happy? do not make me laugh, stop the BS
tmarpe 2 years ago
Yes, is sad, one, just one person was killed with the bullet of one of Zelayas suporters.did you know that? The parents of that young boy, reconfirm the fact that their son received L.300.00 lempiras ($15.00) as a payment to go and support Mel. Instead he receive a gun shot from the same group he was part of. Wounded..ja, the people that are causing damages are Zelayas fallowers, breaking windows, setting fire to tires and doing bad things...look up for more videos. U dont live here, right?
sorelgabriela 2 years ago
I do not live there but it seems that you either, you seem to live in an upside down world.
tmarpe 2 years ago
3) Hes already got Iraqs and Russias support. No Honduran citizen understood or believed this when Venezuelan people cried out for their freedom until we faced this horrible assault, until it was our turn to suffer what they once suffered. Do you think this could never happen to U.S.A.? Think again, Open your eyes. Remember, NOBODY thought the Titanic would sink. Open your eyes and do something NOW, while you still have the chance.
HondurasmyLove 2 years ago
3)There are 3 major bannanas exporting companies are owned by the US and some right wing rich elite Hondurans. They control over 80% of its revenue from, thats right...Honduras. They are practically the ones dominated Honduras politics.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
blah, blah, blah
sorelgabriela 2 years ago
2) Did you know there have been more dead people during Zelaya's presidential period than dead people in Iraq? Did you know mysterious Venezuelan planes stopped landing in hidden roads (yes!! roads) since Zelaya was outsted? (I remember lights were off during these landings and came back as soon as these planes took off) I know this for a fact, I live here. But Chavezs biggest ambition is to have ALL Latin American countries under his leftist dictatorship, and then, make his final move, U.S.A.
HondurasmyLove 2 years ago
2)Historically, military coups in Latin America have been carried out by leaders trained at the US-run School of the Americas located in Fort Benning, Georgia. And today in Honduras, the military leaders in question, including General Vásquez, are former attendees of the controversial training center.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
1) We do NOT want Zelaya. And for those who still think this issue in Honduras is not their problem, think again and carefully. Chavez is taking possession of Latin American countries, one by one, hes got the means to do it (money), means provided by Venezuelan oil and drugs (FARC). He sponsored Mel Zelayas campaign; He is buying peoples allegiances to protest against democracy and freedom here in Honduras. Hes sponsoring infiltrates to make riots and weaken the country.
HondurasmyLove 2 years ago
1)There is nothing in the Honduran Congress that justifies the action taken to kidnap a president and expel him from the country. That is not justified by the Honduran Constitution. That's simply a smokescreen being used now, the same way it was used in Venezuela and Haiti, to justify what is a political coup staged by the political class and by the military in Honduras.
csanchez2009 2 years ago
It's not acceptable. I'm from Honduras and we need our President Mel Zelaya. Think about this.. What would you do if this happen in USA?...
mmejia010 2 years ago
How about this question : " Should the President of a country be prosecuted if he breaks the Constitutional Law? "
jmolina103 2 years ago
yes, he or she should!
sorelgabriela 2 years ago
If they were so sure people didnt want this guy,why they didnt let him go for that special vote,something is wrong here,they were desperate and the only way to stop him was using force,and no democracy,why they didnt go for a referemdun.
njason 2 years ago
More than anything,this report shows how little the reporter understands what happened or is just a tool for some wrong cause. The more anyone studies what has happened in Honduras the last couple of years, the current position of Obama/Clinton to reinstate Zeyaya is puzzling and sadly wrong.
tomwhit2227 2 years ago
Tipped off by what the guy in the red shirt said about the 2nd Amendment: While where I come from we don't have such a right (in fact, guns are prohibited), our Constitution states a right to resistance against anyone trying to change "the order" of checks and balances in politics. Now, isn't that hypocritical?
150cgy 2 years ago
You need to be living here, the military was executing a court order, this questions only ask for a part of the scenario. Why don't you ask: What would you do if your president is breaking the law and is doing things no matter if the Congress or a Judge is telling him what he is doing is illegal ?? Your question really sucks !!!
somc75 2 years ago 2
cmon... the president was doing illegal stuff and that is the excuse for doing another illegal procedure by throwing him out of Honduras?... I live in Honduras and there's no article in our constitution that says the military can do that, Zelaya was wrong, I support that but that was not the way to solve things
DaFarSide 2 years ago
Lori, aren't you embarrassed Jackie Mason's getting more youtube hits than you? You might want to do less of this crap.
oblibious47 2 years ago
Mr Zelaya broke the law, REPEATEDLY, to achieve his 'AUTO-COUP'. Our history has shown this scenario several times, that is why our constitution is rigid in this way. We have a civil government and, sadly 1 death. Don't turn your back on a peaceful, little country who followed it´s laws & constitution IN DEFENSE of democracy.
andresvid 2 years ago
First get your definitions right. There is 'golpe de estado', 'golpe militar', 'golpe de palacio', 'auto-golpe', and 'contra-golpe'. Mr Zelaya is, WITHIN Honduras, very UNPOPULAR. He made an 'auto-golpe', that is, perpetuating himself once ELECTED. Our Constitution was made to automatically eject those 'AUTOCRATS', and thus we, the people, aprove the LEGAL & CONSTITUTIONAL way ALL our institutions acted. The military followed orders, and we have AGAIN restored constitutional order.
andresvid 2 years ago
that it were a coup or not which to my point it is not one because power is still being run by a non military but a political person. The Hondurans think that it was about time that the people had the spheres to do it. Military acted upon the Supreme Court were it is stated on the constitution that military should obey it. The supreme court that is not political but civil acted upon the LAW.
hnmarkdb 2 years ago 2
Many people do not really know what happened in Honduras and the idea of people thinking this is a millitary coup simply ignore and have never lived one in their life. I have been living In Central America for 34 years and I lived 2 coups in Guatemala. Being a young kid this stayed in my mind for the rest of my life. Now that I am in Honduras and this here happened independantly
hnmarkdb 2 years ago
Democratically elected
Militarily ejected
Hey that rhymes
696styx 2 years ago
If a president is elected by the people, then they're the ones with the right to remove it. Kinda like we did in Argentina on 2003.
willymessenger 2 years ago
its called impeachlike tehy were trying to do with bush.. but not miitary ally kick hem
RAPMONSTAR 2 years ago
nuke them !
RadicalNoran 2 years ago
Isn't it a coup if the military runs the country? That's not what happened in Honduras. Congress elected an interim president until the upcoming election. The military only acted under orders from their supreme court. Zelaya was trying to change the constitution for his benefit. It could've been done in a better way but something had to be done. The 'coup' was justified.
cojudo4life 2 years ago
Former Honduran President won his presedential election as a conservative candidate and as President shifted into the left wing, becoming close friends with Hugo Chavez.
Following Chavez's adive he called for a referendum to modify the constitution, The Supreme Court, Congress and the Electoral Council told him it was ilegal, but still he went on with his mission to turn Honduras into Venezuela or Cuba.
So I ask you, should we have waited until this happend to react??
olimpistaleon 2 years ago
No in fact they where planning to have a refrendum and the refrendum would not a have final say the congress would be in it as and to tell you the truth Vevezuela is not like Cuba.. the first is a democracy with an elected goverment the second is one party state... where do you get your info from Fox news? South America have hade history of military dictatorships.. this is what this is all about.. the military trying to create a facist state.. again
Eopyk 2 years ago
Eopyk, what can I tell you, I live in Tegucigalpa, so its one thing to see things from the US and another is to be onsite and know thw facts. I aware of the political aspects of both Cuba and Venezuela and was stating that we would have a dictatorship as in Cuba or a "Democracy" as in Venezuela... By the way Honduras is in Central America, not South America.
The Military carried out orders dictated by the Supreme Court and are currently not in power so where is the fascist state?
Zelaya
olimpistaleon 2 years ago
Ok I will not argue so much with you then.
But what many argue is was the military and the Supreme court did was it justified? Because think wjat you want about the president but he was elected? And was this refrendum so deeply against the constituion? And is the thing your voting for so dangerous? Just extending presidential periods like the US has 2 periods. And by the way I am from Sweden.
But all from me to you
Eopyk 2 years ago
Everytinh he did was against the constitution: According to Honduran Constitution anyone who promotes a reelection or a referendum to do so should be removed from office and accused of treason. Whether we like it or not its the constitution..... Can you speak spanish? I could send you documents so you can get a better idea. I am not defending or am in favor of Coups, but believe me if he was not removed from office and ousted there would have been bloodshed in the Country.....
olimpistaleon 2 years ago
Removing him from office for performing an illegal and treasonous act, justified his removal, arrest and prosecution; his ejection from the country, although illegal even under the same constitution, probably saved lives as mobs would have probably followed his prior example where he led a mob in an engagement to remove ballots from a guarded air force base 2 days before.
fabrizziov 2 years ago
The huge, and I can't quite stress this as much as it should be, difference or inequality present in our social and economic spheres allows for this type of actions to be taken. The poor literally have no voice nor knowledge as to how to best have their concerns and needs be heard, for which they are taken advantage of by mediocre politicians who, with slow spoken simple rhetoric and costumes, find ways to appeal to the masses and falsely appear like one of their own who will fight for them.
fabrizziov 2 years ago
good question
DarkDennis1961 2 years ago
the president of Honduras was clearly trying to change term limits in direct violation of the country's constitution. the guy was trying to turn the country into a dictatorship. plus the military had the backing of the legislature who the majority is in the same party as the president. go Honduras for protecting democracy.
zdwade 2 years ago
No he was going to have and refrendum to chnage the rules that one should have the right be president longer then one small period it was going to be trough a refrendum. That is democracy the military did this against the people and against the democratic vote the right wing militaries have hade dictatorship before in south africa remember Pinochet of Chille?
Long live Democracy
Eopyk 2 years ago
There are ways for these actions to be legally performed, and although this might be something to actually and consciously ask of the majority, it is not the duty of the president to do so under our law. Surely, the top sociopolitical spheres would benefit and lose under new presidential terms but it would also allow for more development of the right (and wrong) agendas and plans that could provide benefits (or detriments) to that same majority.
fabrizziov 2 years ago
Is this a question for the majority? Sure enough. Should it be asked by the president using his own terms, materials and controls? Certainly not. He could have simply reminded people the power they have on their representatives if they wish to change the laws instead of taking it upon himself to do so, specially considering his new affilliations with men who have forcibly changed either constitutional law or order. He could have taught how and what to do if change is really wanted.
fabrizziov 2 years ago
Honduras, a place with bananas
Has marxists escape in pajamas
They run and they hide
Then fly back inside
A plane with no exit plananas!
TheJeffShadowShow 2 years ago
we have an army in the middle east because we are so not afraid ?
5thhorsman 2 years ago
i agree. ugh i have to stay away from time square now bc apparently this is her favorite spot.
babyluv24 2 years ago
Oh my God
Princegto 2 years ago
Hmmmmmmm, In the US, government is afraid of the people????? LOL, government in the US is definitely not afraid of the people.
batitombo 2 years ago 2
destroy it all and lets begin the dictatorship of the proletariat. . . .
th3inquisitiv31 2 years ago
great
yourXfavoriteXTOP10 2 years ago
Too bad they didn't do that with Bush.
LittleEmoBoy001 2 years ago
Hi sheeple!
The Honduran President was attempting to make himself a dictator.
He was also promoting the illegal drug trade. The Honduran military removed him with the backing of the people. In other words, they fought for the democracy that was being taken away from them.
He and the newly installed President are currently involved in talks.
Hey there, Resident...
;)
The world is not black and white folks.
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
Don't like my comments folks?
Well congressman Thaddeus McCotter agrees with me.
larouchepac . com/node/10985
Have a nice day!
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
Military coup means beginning of a long term instability and unrest.
Just look at Pakistan for an example; ever since their coup since late 90s, the country has not been able to find its place and has become a haven for all sort of craziness.
bigal21110 2 years ago
bigal21110:
Read my comment, it's the other way around. You should research the topic before you speak.
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
I made a general statement learning from history typically military coups have created nothing but instability of government. If Hondura had a solid and implementable constitution, then Hondura's president would have been impeached or at the very least pressured to change his ways.
Wait a few years and then revisit this comment only then you will truly see what I meant.
bigal21110 2 years ago
that's kind of a broad generalized statement .
you didn't do anything but state the obvious.
Pakistan is a bad example because it's bordered by "theocracy" it's not easy to run a country when you have that much nutty shit going on all around you .
5thhorsman 2 years ago
We definitely have the right to overthrow the nutty shit. In fact I'm certain - a lone squirrel told me that... and I believe him.
G58 2 years ago
This is such a complicated issue. It would be easy to say that it's better if the people just protest and demand their leader to be thrown out if they don't like what he/she is doing, because that ALWAYS works... *cough, Iran cough cough*
But what if the people didn't know that their leader was doing something REALLY bad (like the next Hitler or something) and there was a huge cover-up and everything. And only the military knew about it and had the power to stop it?
melissa10474 2 years ago
Then the aliens could take over, and maybe Wacko Jacko would be cloned and made president of Honduras thru the evil doings of mexican albino midgets to take back California thru a complicated plan of overthrowing US hegemony and place the new Zuuull tribal leaders from outer space to become the new dominant species in Earth and take our women as sexual slaves for their house decorations? I get ya! Conspiracy!! I knew Wacko Jacko wasnt dead!!
ecoloscabos 2 years ago
ecoloscabos,
You have a valid point, especially about Wacko Jacko being cloned. PS Bubbles, his talking chimp, was also cloned.
llortgib567 2 years ago
And thats only the beggining!!!
ecoloscabos 2 years ago
US assclowns always just repeat whatever there favorite comedienne or rock star tells them too then go around acting like they have an actually opinion about a subject they know nothing about.
5thhorsman 2 years ago
I agree. Sad but true!!
ecoloscabos 2 years ago
5thhorsman,
I'll have to add "assclown" to my vocabulary, I kinda like the ring of it.
llortgib567 2 years ago
Huh, where's Honduras, never heard of it. Who cares?
llortgib567 2 years ago
Try and learn some geography. The US is not the center of the universe. News for you.
1970jpaz 2 years ago
1970jpaz
Wow, there really is a country called Honduras, Then that song really is true:
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honduras.
llortgib567 2 years ago
And this is why the world "loves" the US....
olimpistaleon 2 years ago
What, you don't like that song, c'mon everyone loves that song.
llortgib567 2 years ago
The US for starters, especially in the 80's during the Cold War, the 90's during the War on Drugs and now as a source for cheap labor for many US companies. Well, perhaps not that last one anymore.
fabrizziov 2 years ago
ha ha ha I'm just amazed that she knows where Honduras is!
Does she?
GetSum951 2 years ago
You need to change the title of this video.
What happened in Honduras was not a coup d'état.
LooseLatitude 2 years ago
yeahaaaaa.
ecoloscabos 2 years ago
fuck the 2nd ammendment
FlowinEnno 2 years ago
Ya fuck the 2nd ammendment, but that 2nd amendment is great!
emopope 2 years ago
don't be a smartass
FlowinEnno 2 years ago
I'm a wiseass :-)
emopope 2 years ago
w/e
FlowinEnno 2 years ago
Coup in Honduras?
Where is the RT coverage of the Coup in Hogwarts that Voldemort and Slytherin are about to engage in in a few days?! Where is the outrage in that! Thought so. Blatant Russian bias.
The coup in Honduras was wrong....and so was the one in Hogwarts!!!
TheyROutThere 2 years ago
his term was up, and their laws state that he could not run again, so he wanted to change the law. you can't just change the law. should they have woken him up and flown him out of the country in his pj's? no. but you can't change laws to whatever you want.
pornfartin 2 years ago
I like monkeys. Do you like monkeys pretty Laaady? :-)
andreous7 2 years ago
y cant they do this in n korea?
faszika 2 years ago
brainwashed
angeltroea 2 years ago
Ask AmeriKans to find Honduras on a map.
Eagle776 2 years ago 4
It's not just the military, subverting the process of government or something. Zelaya was the one breaking laws. The Congress and Supreme Court of Honduras are on the side of the people. This so-called coup is actually democracy working itself out, not some illegal military overthrowal.
lookitsstupendousman 2 years ago
Yes The military acted within the bounds of the Honduran Law. Zelaya was trying to change the constitution to suit his needs.
comicus211 2 years ago
if they acted within the bounds of the honduran law then why did the UN say it was illegal?
whats is so wrong with extending his term another 4 years? have you been to honduras? its pretty much the same how we do it here.
General Romeo Vasquez, the man Zelaya fired.. is a graduate from the school of americas located here in the U.S.. graduates from this school become leaders back in their own countries and torture and kill innocent people...
lolzomgWTF14 2 years ago
because the UN, and the US, and everyone else likes to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. And no I have not been to Honduras, but I study Latin American Politics and if anyone who has actually read about the situation rather than spew back what they heard on the TV would know that there was no coup. Zelaya was trying to illegally change the constitution against the will of the people. The Military acted within the bounds outlined by their supreme court.
comicus211 2 years ago 2
The president was planning a referendum on scrapping the constitution despite the referendum being outlawed by the constitution.
The head of the army was fired for refusing to allow the army to distribute ballot papers for the illegal referendum. The coup was endorsed by the Honduran Supreme Court so technically it was not illegal.
EvilUmpire 2 years ago
I wish more people would realize that the military acted under the orders of their supreme court.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
I wish you would understand that if the overthrow was based on legal terms, then why wasn't he put on trial and overthrown in that manner? It doesn't make sense. He was taken out at gunpoint and now the established gov. is in the position to abuse many people's rights and freedoms. Who knows what other things will happen to those who oppose them
hiram7474 2 years ago 3
He wasn't taken at gunpoint. Orders were made for his arrest and he bolted to Costa Rica.
littlenickydotorg 2 years ago
The supreme court deemed his self-serving interest to amend the constitution unilaterially as illegal so they ordered him to be removed.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
..usually a military is established to protect a countries constitution. Not olny are they "allowed" they are obligated to get involved when a President goes rogue. IF ONLY IT WORKED THAT WAY EVERYWHERE.........
readywerx 2 years ago
They should have done a vote of no Confidence, they should have vetoed the president and used the other two branches of the government and asked the president out of office, if he did not then it is justifiable....I think the Military was a bit over bounds and did it their way.
briggs9187 2 years ago
Another great video to get your mind thinking.. Thanks Resident! =)
llthefreshmakerll 2 years ago
Pfft. Lori, Statians can't keep up with two different electoral upsets in one go. They have enough trouble with Iran, don't throw Honduras into the mix.
Actually, next time, bring a map and see if they can point to where Honduras is.
dudeglove 2 years ago
Do soldiers have a right to throw out their own president when ordered to do so by their Supreme Court because their president went behind Congress' back to rewrite the constitution? Yes.
littlenickydotorg 2 years ago
HOLY SHIT IT'S PRINCE CHARLES!!
TrueMusou 2 years ago
Is the majority of the people of Honduras behind the military coup? If not, I'd say it's more of a bad situation than good.
jayleeds2006 2 years ago
Who cares if the democratic process is ignored? People are born with rights, they are not given via democracy.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting whats for dinner.
Also if you think the USA is a Democracy then all I gotta say is "for the REPUBLIC for which it stands"
xkeltoix 2 years ago
This might really seem extreme but I think the one thing that makes sure any government does not violate the rights of any group of individuals is sucession. The ability to simply dissolve the relationship between citizen and government and create a new one always keeps government trembling before the people.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
Hello,Lori.
The Honduran example is when the ballot fails,use the bullet. I wonder if there is a provision in the Honduran constitution,for removing politicians?
If there is,and it wasn't used,then the military was wromg. But if there was ample evidence,that malfeasence had occurred,and the court system failed o step in,that would be justified.
Blargaldalien 2 years ago
Is it legal to kidnap a president and fly him out of the country because he wants to hold a referendum on whether or not to change the law? The USA government and its European Allies really have a problem with democracies when they don't like who has been elected. They would be much happier if things were done the American way with the candidates being chosen by the elites and then the election being rigged to produce the best possible outcome. US democracy! You gotta love it!
sarrass1 2 years ago
How cruel of you, making people think hard!
hoosierhiver 2 years ago 3
It depends on whether the election was fair and honest.
RAMKING61 2 years ago
I think it depends on the constitution of that country. From what I have read about Honduras the military can be used to eject a president, if he has been found to be partaking in illegal activities. If this is true and he was trying to change their constitution illegally, then they did the right thing.
wildwyckedknight 2 years ago
We vote for a president, we get that president. When he or she ain't doing the right things, we should protest and let OUR VOICES be HEARD, but certainly certainly not gonna use military or coup for that matter. I mean everything from political, society and so on will be in chaos if that happens.
strongyang 2 years ago
The guy at the end touting the 2nd amendment is a fool. The military has nothing to fear from citizens and their guns! Their guns are greater, and the state's only language is violence! Do you really believe they wouldn't drop one of those bombs on U.S. soil against U.S. citizens?
Creating a terrorist is as easy as this quote by Steven Colbert, "I can't prove it, but I can say it."
brokendave 2 years ago 3
Hahaha, I LOVE that quote.
theresident 2 years ago
Can you tell me why every single dictator in the world always ceased the weapons of the people first before they did anything?
timbosforporn 2 years ago
I am not sure every single dictator has resorted to ceasing the weapons of the people. Ceasing the weapons of the people is a military strategy. It it simply a form of immobilization that will slow and dampen resistance.
My point is, no matter how many weapons you stock pile as a citizen of the United States, if our government needs to protect the wealth, it will have no problem using military force against it's own people. In that case your guns will be nothing but bean shooters.
brokendave 2 years ago 2
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timbosforporn 2 years ago
Thats why the right to bear arms usually means any weapon such as hand grenades, tanks, missile launchers, and etc etc.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
Sorry, but I don't trust you or anyone else to have access to grenades, tanks, missile launchers, etc etc etc... That is too much power for anyone to have. Even the wisest can not see all ends. Who can anyone truly choose who should live and who should die?
brokendave 2 years ago
Your mistrust of someone else which is usually fueled by imagination of what they might do does not give you the right to remove someone else's rights from them based on what you have imagined what they might do. If you want to make yourself safer then penalize the crime actually committed instead of the items used to commit that crime.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
I concede your point that I do not have the right to infringe on your rights based on what I fear you may do. However, it's funny you mention rights and imagination in the same sentence. Rights are in a way imaginary. They are nothing more than agreements formed by a group of people. It just so happens our group of people (The United States) have decided you don't have the right to have active grenades, tanks, missile launchers, etc etc etc. There is no infringement there, just new agreements.
brokendave 2 years ago
No it was not justified just crazy right wing groups who wants to turn south america into facist dictatorships again.
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 2 years ago 2
National socialism was a right wing political movement?
timbosforporn 2 years ago
Yes they where they mainly used the term National socialist to take votes and support from the socialdemocrats and the communist party that dominated Germany at the time. But Hitler despiced socialists most of them where sent to consentration camps..
Eopyk 2 years ago
What about Mussilini? He was a socialist.
timbosforporn 2 years ago
We was at a young age but he rejevted that later in life he formed his facist idealogy and rejected all socialists and banned them he took away trade unions and formed corperations where all private companies worked with there workers under the head of the facist party. So no he was not a socialist unless you count his younger days.
Eopyk 2 years ago
Wasn't Italy, Germany, and Russia all totalitarian states?
timbosforporn 2 years ago
Yes one was an form of left dictatorship the other two right wing.
Do you get it?
Eopyk 2 years ago
Does any of those have anything to do with Thomas Jefferson?
timbosforporn 2 years ago
No they don't and what is your point?
Eopyk 2 years ago
My point is is that somewhere along the line people have gotten us to believe that the only form of govt is a totalitarian one because the left right scale that most people believe only allows us to choose this kind of totalitarianism or that kind of totalitarianism.
timbosforporn 2 years ago