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  • safe and secure

    you get a locked box with a slot in the top

    you print ballet sheets

    people mark them appropriately and put in box

    under guard at all times the boxes are taken to a central counting place

    under independent verification the votes are counted results then published

    What is not broken does not need fixing

  • Electronic voting machines... This is how they stole the election in Florida, then again in Ohio.

  • watch her eyes. She avoids eye contact when telling blatant lies.

  • Must I sue Cobb? :/

  • Too bad our vote doesn't count

  • Also make sure people aren't voting 74 times like they did last year. Let's have an honest election.

  • Get people who designed the machines to check them out. Preferably two people each from a different political party.

  • Get security out guarding the polls this year.

  • Let's hire security to watch our voting booths.

  • Like Jeb Bush should be talking about the integrity of voting.

  • The Bush family are dyed in the wool neocons and CIA stalwarts. They are criminals. The necons (Bush-Cheny) made sure that Diebold machines could not be inspected by independent government inspectors. Shitheel Diebold CEO Warren O'Dell promised to "deliver Ohio" to george Bush. He did~~on a silver platter. Watch "Confessions of An Economic Hitman " and " Hijacking Catastrophe " ~~ The NEOCON Project for a New American century becomes clear.

  • the publicons steal votes the dems notice it and the pubs say "he who smelt it dealt it'.stinky liars,those republicons

  • NEVER make a global challenge to hackers stating that the government has made something impregnable.

    BIG mistake, HUGE!!!

    The British government did this with the ID card prototype stating it couldnt be copied.

    Obviously, some smartass promptly did

  • Is this video supposed to show a FOX News bias?This was not accomplished.

  • TheRagingLibertarian: "Is this video supposed to show a FOX News bias?This was not accomplished"

    This first clip I ever uploaded lacks audio commentary to help viewers see bias, but discerning viewers have found it themselves (see, eg, the first comment posted to this video from BI30 more than 3 years ago). To see it, watch the part at 1:52 again where Orlando Salinas describes Jeb Bush's insistence on advance notice of testing as "do it in the open"

    I hope that helps and

    thx 4 commenting :-)

  • @LiberalViewer I think the bias is diminished when fox news pointed out that supervisors need to be independent.

  • @TheRagingLibertarian

    haha dont even start to argue that fox news isnt biased.

    they dont complain that 18,000 poor americans die from no healthcare, but do when there tax raises.

    money or human life?

    a socialist like myself would pick human life, and im an atheist

  • hell yes, the the Media will become boring and factual.

  • Looking back, the "vote-flipping software" must have been used by liberal Democrats, who took over all three branches of government in the last election!

  • Come on people support Obama's health care plan. If I get sick because I can't afford health care. How many of you want to get sick after being around me?

  • What and have them run the Hospitals like they do every other worthless government office or agency? I'll see you at your funeral.

  • Why not we already let them have enough power to destroy us! Think about it! It is all a means to pillage and plunder from the rest of us while making themselves look good in the process with there con games!

  • Both sides are bitches. we all are being lied to. Wake up before its too late.

  • you got a diamond of a man RAN PAUL BUT THEM BITCHES IN POWER will never allow a real true american who loves his country to win now they make sure ALL candicates are their men front man changes but FA else same people in power ALWAYS JFK thought otherwise n he was a goner 10 days after he said he had plans to dismantle the fed reserve so was Lincon he dared print REAL american money backed by a real usa gov not by some private international bankers who care for themselfs their elitist friends

  • September 11 attacks were from the goverment,Obama and Bush are puppets for the New World Order

  • No, both PARTIES are bitches.

    It's not the principles of the politicians that are corrupt, it's the politicians themselves.

    There's one problem with the Democrats, and it's not their principles like the Republicans (They can get stuff done, but that stuff is fundamentally wrong, Iraq war, etc).

    The Democrats have more or less the right principles, they just don't have the balls to go and legislate them

    So you have a choice; the idiots or the pussies. Vote independent. Mike Gravel for example

  • HA, the start of that sounded like he was getting out of a heart attack

  • Hey, you know what's safer than voting machines? Paper. Just use a paper ballot. Might take longer, but there's less risk of uncounted votes and it eliminates the problem of vote-flipping.

  • Bottom Line: All voting machines need to use open source software and need to be tested by third parties

  • Political parties are in place for one reason. to keep Americans divided. Reality is that we see every day Democrats acting like republican and vice versa. Why? Both parties are set up by the oligarchy that runs the show behind the scenes. While we fight over who is better or who stands for the little guy, our rim jobbing by ALL politicians continues. I would suggest that WE find some serious common ground and get our country back.

    The question now becomes: What are YOU going to do about it?

  • I hate Fox News but this is the only thing I like that shows the problems of what FNC seems to support..

  • The auto-vote-bots in California have already been found to be insecure. It is too risky. Do it via paper like Canada does.

    Well, perhaps it is more difficult with a larger population then Canada, but you guys were able to do it 20 years ago with a similar population.

  • is it me or did that last reporterguy for fox look like that attorney general gonzalez guy

  • Oh so that is how OBAMA WON!!!! and ACORN

  • I guess we know who was hacking the vote now.

  • the supervisor was doing his job.

  • Hahaha "The company said it was impossible to manipulate the code on this card" Really? A company says that their own system doesn't have any problems?

  • Fair and balanced lol

  • It seems to me all these clips are Fox. Are they the only network left? Where is CNN when there is a real story. i have seen one clip from another network exposing this, or any other news worthy story.

  • This was from a couple years ago, but the process WAS made public. It was documented in the HBO special "Hacking Democracy" back in 2006. They filmed the entire process from start to finish with complete transparency. Obviously it worked. ;)

  • Please read "The Shock Doctrine-The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Naomi Klein. This is journalism at it's best, if you want to know what is in store for the U.S then it's all in this book-the new capitalism is coming to Amerika full force...

  • Sarah Palin has unwittingly taken a prank call from a Canadian comedian posing as French President Nicolas Sarkozy and told him she may make a good president in eight years.

    The Republican vice presidential nominee discussed politics, the perils of hunting with Vice President Dick Cheney, and Sarkozy's "beautiful wife," in the telephone call released Saturday.

    She's a fxcking idiot period!

  • First of all Jeanabee........ do you think you might want to learn how to spell"candidates" before you give an ignorant opinion about them.....??? hhhmmm??? Idiot...

  • People like you who go around bashing random comments and don't add anything to the discussion are worse than those who can't spell and are ignorant, at least the ignorant people actually have an opinion. Hypocracy noted.

  • Why don't you Americans simply count the old fashion way?

    In Canada, volunteers count each ballot box. "Scrutineers" from all 5 parties all count them together, all making sure everyone else is held honest. It's fairer, and believe it or not, cheaper, because the parties provide their own scrutineers.

  • I love the USSA, what an F'd up country we have become.

  • haha, "ussa." well said, sir.

  • um jeb had a virus made to test voting machines also strange fox said nothing of this...being they are fair and unbiased

  • Ha ha like Jeb Bush gives a fuck!

  • fox was the only network that reported Joe bidens lipslip. Why? because the others are all afraid obama might suffer if they report the truth.

  • AMEN!

  • The news is already suppressing stories that might make their candidate look bad. they falsly report the pole numbers. they will hack electronic voting machines, and obama will win. All the poor, and ignorant will get the illusion that they have a man on their side.

  • Every one knows fox is owned by a banker in london and he also owns other media in hollywood if you listen to them well your manipulated... for sure without a doubt.... Listen to your canidants and pick the one that speaks well, listens well, is healthy and not one a ton of mind altering drugs, healthy, vibrant, helllooooo that should be the very basis of a president!!! Oh thats right your unhealthy, or your old and on a ton of drugs and feel like voting for someone like you.

  • The future......

    Allow enough ignorant suppressive people to be our leaders = END OF HUMAN FREEDOM

    IT IS SIMPLE LISTEN

    LISTEN WELL

    LISTEN WELL TO THE WORDS AND SENTENCES YOU CANIDANTS SPEAK IS IT SUPRESSING US, YOU, SUPRESSING THE OOTHER CANIDANT. If it is well than easy decision----------Vote for the one who will give all humans the best survival for your family, other familys in other parts of the world.... War = death death = your family next= no survival Duh!

  • HOW can Americans be stupid enough to allow electronic machines that have SECRET Proprietary Hardware & Proprietary Software that are OWNED BY SPECIAL INTERESTS?

    Wasn't it Stalin that said the only thing that matters is WHO COUNTS THE VOTES?

    All voting machines *MUST* be OPEN SOURCE, Owned by the State, Secured Before, During and After Elections, verified & tested by independent neutral parties.

    OR AMERICAS DEMOCRACY WILL BE SMOTHERED IN IT'S YOUTH!

    Democracy is a constant struggle!

  • So ... Jeb Bush wants notified if they are testing any voting machines in Florida.

    sheeesh, he is NOT one that deserves notified.

  • Americans the machines are beating you

    Do what Canada does that which you have never done

    paper ballots hand counting immediately after polls close in full view of all

    that is what is called a Democratic Election process.

    Do not let them tell you they will fix the

    machines tell them no machines hand count same day in full view

    AS a people you are an ignorant mass of confusion ,all of you are nappy hair diggers

    and not free men.

    your leaders view you as useless eaters

  • funny how the democrat wants an open source type come one come all testing and verification of these machines, and how the republican only emphasizes wanting full control over such testing. gee, now which one actually wants our country to have fair and democratic elections?...

  • the American People are being ROBBED BLIND!

    zeitgeistmovie D O T com!

    Ignorance is NOT bliss!

  • "Ignorance is NOT bliss!"

    Check the statistics. Republicans/Cons are statically happier than Democrats or Independents. Every Republican/Cons knows that knowing too much can make you unhappy, unless the knowledge is intended to manipulate public opinion for political purposes. This is why Fox "News" exists.

  • The process WAS made public, and done fairly, the whole process can be seen in "Hacking Democracy". (It's usually available on Google, sometimes copies get banned and removed!)

  • Should fat people be allowed to vote?

  • keep eating those macs roundboy...

  • @ lumpfish99: Will do!

  • Oh, yea, What about the memory card, with a live chip to recount, (see 2000 elections) Bev harris, It was a stole election!!!

  • I just moved back to Illinois so I missed the cut-off for voter registration. Luckily, I was able to use the grace period and register and actually cast my vote today, October 8, at the county clerk's office.

    The Diebold machine I used had all my selections printed on a receipt, kept internally, which I could check thru a window before pressing the final vote button.

    I don't see this type of machine being susceptible to hacking, due to the paper trail. Seemed legit.

  • Go to cnn and watch how they hack into a diebold machine in 1 min. and plant a virus that only changes the result on the machine's paper count--- not on your screen.

  • Can you give me a link or a search query to get me there? I'd like to see it. I'm not sure I understand your point.

    I cringed when I saw I was going to be voting on a Diebold machine, but when I saw the paper, I figured it would be safe, since the tallies on paper would have to match the tallies in memory.

    Don't get me wrong. I'd still rather have the old-fashioned paper ballots any day.

    "That One" '08!

  • No paper trail at all. You can do anything you like with it.

  • Watch the lady eyes at the begining. She is lying bigtime.

    It is not the right or left it is the fascists and the communist working together to rule the world in a one world government. A socialistic dictatorship. Look around you will find it everywhere.

  • yep lady look like hidden somthing

  • re:hidden=hiding

  • ejlorden. I would never ever accept that, and if that happened in another country, then there would be hell to pay. That's how riots begin.

    You probably work for the republican side of the government.

  • I just saw this response. I can't remember what I said, and it looks like someone removed. But, as I do not work "for" any side of the government, I'm not sure what you mean. I am not Republican nor Democrat.  Both parties have disappointed me. I am an independent who votes for the person I think will best defend or improve the institutions of our system.

  • I believe that the republican party is controlled and headed by the billionaires of the country. The oil gurus, who want us to keep fighting in Irak and who don't want us to focus on alternative energy sources, like Obama wants to do, will not allow the Democrats to win. People think that we live in a true democracy, if this was true, Bush would not be president right now. It's all a mafia, the billionaires, who actually control the country, will not allow a Republican loss.

  • Anything electronic CAN BE HACKED.

  • BOTTOM LINE: Until ALL controversy can be verified these machines should NOT be allowed. Americans would wait months for a VALID,TRUE, vot count. When Bev Harris PROVED she did not hack Diebold's system to obtain the files that were posted on a website to expose them, they still stood up at an investigation and swore they were hacked. If you start locking these ceos and engineers up for purgery truth will elude us. When faced with mandantory 10 years with BUBBA they might think twice befor lying

  • Amazing how when we expose Government the only response is to remind us how lucky we are to live in America. They show us starving children, war torn countries, $12.00 gas prices elsewhere,etc.,etc.,etc. Then say see how bad it could be. when in actuality we are losing our homes, facing outrageous food prices,Gas shortages and inflated prices, unaffordable health care, highest incarceration rate in the world, a collapsing monetry system, HUGE debt, political fraud...NOW HOW LUCKY DO YOU FEEL?

  • I have to laugh...Basically what Bush wants is to be notified before any investigation so he can prepare. It would be comparable to telling the a drug saleman , Hey we are going to be at your house next Friday to see if anyone shows up to buy drugs. But it's a secret so don't tell anybody. Too fukin funny!!!!! And what is really hillarious is most citizens will say hey that sounds fair.. No wonder the world laughs at us. Politicians deceive us and when exposed we say it's okay, we have freedom.

  • Krazede, When you get done laughing and have to take a breath, please explain why transparent and fair testing does not require notification ahead of time so taht all can be present. lock the machines up, I don't care. And then bring them out before testing. Allowing notification allows certification that the chip has not been tampered with. Else, thre will be just illogical screeching, such as you are currently posting.

  • If every paper ballot had to be counted by hand, why not -- even if it takes to XMAS! What a GIFT for the AmerICAN people a true &HONEST Election, where E/1's Vote Counted! Dump these partison Voting Companies and Prosecute for Voter Fraud Already! Arrest Karl Rove already ...follow the crumbs to &IMPEACH CHENEY &BUSH now. Get Nancy Pelosi out &that other GAL from CA in. Chg the Paradym &Our Future! Want a Job, Run 4Congress, Run 4 CityCouncil! AMerICANs 4 a Free Election.

  • THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A 2008 ELECTION

  • This mindless caterwauling gets old and loses traction after a while. Know what I mean?

  • If a political party actually did this on a natinoal scale and it got out, that would basically be the end of that party heh.. the American and European media would butcher them.

  • That's why it doesn't get out.

  • my mom's friend vote kerry three times in ohio came out bush three times i'm from youngstown ohio kelly palvik is our hero

  • Jeb Bush: "...you can't manipulate the machine..."

    No, but you can outsource election fraud to Choicepoint, Jeb!

  • I saw the documentary they made on this. These guys were on "Hacking Democracy" a good documentary, a must watch

  • Hillary = Obama = McCain 3 corporate puppets serving the same masters !!

  • Jeb, that's brilliant - let's alert the companies ahead of time exactly how we're going to test the machines so they have time to rig the test. God, you're brilliant. I hope you run for president in 2012!

  • maybe we should use paper ballots, that worked for 200 some odd years?

    VOTE RON PAUL 2008

  • well the machines wouldn't be so bad if they gave each voter a printout of who they voted for to confirm and seal in an envelope.

  • screwopenborders: Then what god would the machines do? The sealing of a paper with your vote on, is what normal paper voting is all about. The way the rest of the world votes.. even russia! bloody donaldduck democracy..

  • I don't want the machines, I feel like people are getting lazy. Just count the fucking papers!

  • A good system would issue a paper "receipt" to the voter.

  • Studies have shown that even if the voter receives a receipt, the machines software can still tabulate fraudulent results. I feel like the old ballot box system, with mutual party supervision, is the way to go; however results would be delayed for a longer time.

  • I am a programmer, this would not work either, You can print a reciept to say whatever you like, but record a different result to the database.

    Have you ever been to Vegas and played a slot machine? Or join a slot tournament

    The results during the tournament will differ on the same machine after the tournament is over Why?

    Its Simple, It is programmed that way

    The system would need to have all the "Source Code" verified before and after the election. and would have to be certified.

  • i worked as a slot technician in las vegas (a local casino = one for the vegas residents, not on the strip) i can tell you that in video poker machines that we were instructed to remove ROM chips which raised the odds towards the house and replace them with the proper odds chip when the state gaming commission came in for inspections...

  • The receipts could be collected to verify the results of the election...?

  • Wildrogue , Yes, Amazing, isn't it?

  • I agree

  • you are dumb liberals. there is no real way to make sure that a voting machine that cannot be hacked. they have hacked into the pentagon systems....

  • We have been Bamboozelled Long Enough ... through these F'n machines out

  • throw not through

  • sorry.. I was in a hurry and POed; was that really needed

  • Yeah send the results to Jeb BUSH he'll fix it...fucking bullshit

  • We should not rely on machines. PERIOD.

  • Good Lord, the word "Integrity" coming from a Bush who helped rig his brothers results in 2000.

    LOL

    America, this is a do or die year for you, take your country back from these pigs suckling at the tax-trough "teat"

    Your life as a slave is just around the foreseeable corner..........

  • "We're from the government and we're here to help." Scary.

    Electronic Voting Machines + Corrupt Politicians + Corrupt Corporations = Election Fraud = Vote Fraud = We The People Get Screwed

    BlackBoxVoting dot org

    BradBlog dot com

    These sites have everything you ever wanted to know about how fraud is about to happen, but were afraid to ask.

    Ron Paul 2008

  • So if the machine is hacked but the machine is placed outside its ok? Bring back paper ballots.

    RP 08

  • Who the fuck cares if the machine can be hacked? Elections need to be conducted in the open in order for them to be valid. I don't care who you want to be president. You have no voice as long as elections are conducted in secret.

  • exactly why we need to become smarter and make it so they are public.

    hmmmmm well i hope you were just having a bad day because it matters a LOT who becomes president.

    look at how fucked we got with george bush.

    ron paul can get us out of this if there is anyone who still can.

    but without him we could all be dying within years because of the new world order.

  • I think Jeb expects a little bit more credibility than he has or deserves.

  • This continues to show how corrupt these politicians are. We need to put an end to it! We need to support Ron Paul!

  • Translation: Tell us (the state) when and where you are going to test so we can have the right machines there to test and there will be no problems. FKN crooks to the bone.

  • another Bush running the election machines, what a joke!

  • Wow, pure evil. How could they condemn testing these machines? Complete and utter bullshit IMO.

  • They didn't manipulate the machine, they manipulated the tally card. This card, according to Diebold, contains no program code, but the test proves it does, and how easily and untracably it can be manipulated. This was also done in response to a precinct showing -16,000 votes for Kerry (yes, that's a "negative" vote count, not a hyphen). That's evidence that Jeb's brother benefited from vote hacking before the test was done, and he doesn't want it uncovered.

  • Let's just hope with everything we hold sacred that enough voting precints will learn about this and take measures to make sure votes can be traced... ie... a paper backup ballot or an exit paper showing each vote.

    I saw the documentary that exposed this... google hacking democracy.

  • The Myth of Democracy... I think we should just do away the charade of even having elections... let's just appoint a commission of the wealthiest corporate executives to appoint our czar. That's where we are now and we'd save a hell of alot of money by just admitting that we are a fascist state and just accept it. They've stolen our country and they won't give it back.

  • OK, bulibasa1, your new youtube ID is now 4791001.

    You have to move to a different state, change jobs, make less and switch your kids to a different school. Oh, leave the truck behind, you're going to be driving a 4-banger now. That anthrax 'vaccine' won't hurt a bit, don't worry.

    Have a nice day.

    HAL

  • Anthrax does not exist in the any enviroment except in a lab. but other points are okay.

  • Your are not too far off. This is where the whole privatization thing is going. We've privatised energy, water, telecommunication. Naturally the next step would be: City of Chicago (brought to you by Home Depot). Instead of being voters we will be 'shareholders.' Yep.

  • paper ballots. human counters. and informed voters.

  • YES! I love Americans who do this for the voters. Screw it being in the open, make the liars at Diebold eat it.

  • This is the first "fair and balanced" report I have ever seen on fox News. I and others have posted on this topic TODAY (Sept. 14, 2006)Make your vote count!

  • Swimdeep,

    I wouldn't quite call the story "fair and balanced." The facts are in there, but you have to totally unspin the story to get them. The Fox story definitely favors Jeb Bush's view, in my opinion. The facts are just so bad for Jeb Bush, they cannot be totally spun

    Thx 4 comment :-)

  • We don't let Felons vote, but we let them count YOUR votes. Wake up, America. Paper voting is not perfect, but it's way better than electronic!!!

  • Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree. He also was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

  • always has to be a conspiracy doesn't it. I agree that machine voting isn't the way to do it because it is just too insecure, but that doesn't mean that the recent votes were changed in any way, does it.

  • But how else could Bush have been re-elected? Check Greg Palast's reporting, search the TruthOut archives or google for Blackboxvoting.

    Every 5th Democratic vote was changed into a vote for Bush. Remember, they exported democracy to the Middle East (so they can fight it there when people win who they don't agree with), and now you're left in the US with a corporo-cracy.

  • PS: Here's a recent report, just as alarming: "The Myth of Fair Elections in America" by Paul Harris, for The Guardian (UK) newspaper. You'll find it on TruthOut dot org

  • The bottom of that hole your head is buried in sure must be dark... careful,tho, your other end is up in the air - exposed...

  • If you do not cast a paper ballot, you do not know whether there is any record of your vote. The touch-screen machines they showed in the video print a record AFTER you vote ... when it is TOO LATE to do anything about it. Just something to think about ...

  • fuck fox news

  • Why even bother watching Fox...their are no real journalist in that network. Everytime I stumbled upon on that channel all I hear is screaming and mean spirited discussions. Why are they that miserable?

  • As a former Registrar of Voters employe of a county in California, let it be known that no employees know how the tabulating works with e-voting and the public knowledge is the same at the registrar's offices across the country. Wake Up America!~

  • For all the details on election fraud go to www.bradblog.com it will blow you away.

  • I love how Fox tries to spin the story as to suggest Republican politicians are "taking the high road" protesting the testing because it did not take place "publicly". So by that logic, if "private" testing shows that the system is *NOT* secure, then the testers may have rigged the test to fail for some nefarious reason that only Fox viewers could dream up.

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