What kind of a God gets killed by his slaves.listen people God is one and not a human being their is nothing like him Jesus was a messenger of God and i invite you people to islam because God will never accept from u if you make partners to him in worship and he will never forgive you.
@ilovealsaboor At least you are a stand up person for speaking your mind, so as a Christian, I will answer. 1) God allowed Himself to become human through the Person of Jesus (Second Person of the Holy Trinity) and the Jews are His Chosen People, not slaves, in Islam, you are told that Allah is a slave master and you are his slave; 2) The Trinity affirms God is one, but three Personalities encompass that One like two people make one couple, not two! 3) Jesus, as the Messiah, was a Prophet,
@CoolGuy18201 brother i have read the bible and i know the story of trinity very well god willing i have one question to ask you check the whole bible and find one verse where jesus says that i am your lord God worship me?
i will tell you somthing about the jews they were chosen but only the pious of them but only for that time but latter they started killing the prophets of God and when moses went to the mount they worshiped a calf.
@CoolGuy18201 brother if you want to know more about jesus and moses and abraham read the Holy Quran once and everything will make sense.
who could be more astray then the one who does not follow the way of Abraham peace be on him he was not a jew nor a Christian he worshiped only one true God so did all the prophets Adam,Noah,Ismael,Ishaq,Jacob,Moses,Jesus,and the last and final messenger prophet Mohammad peace be on all of them.
@CoolGuy18201 i will also like to point out the current situation in the christian world.
jesus said dont drink but christains drink
jesus said dont eat pork christains eat pork
jesus said the women should coverup christain women don't cover up
jesus said dont commit adultry christain commit adultry
and there are 1000 reasons i can give you that christainty has been currupted by man thats why God sent the last prophet mohammad peace be on him.to remind the people not to do these acts
@CoolGuy18201 brother This is what God told us about Jesus peace be on him in holy Quran."Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel
@ilovealsaboor Abraham was Jewish in the sense that he worshipped God and had the first commandments of Judaism given to him, like circumcison. Also, Jesus never said "Don't drink" in the Bible, in fact, He drank wine every Passover meal. Jesus was Jewish, so in order for Him to be the Messiah, He had to follow Jewish customary laws in Israel and in His faith of Judaism. Paul told women to cover up to not be compared to Gentile idol worshippers. Some Christians do commit adultery, but true
@ilovealsaboor Christians repent of that sin and they are forgiven by God because of Christ. Hallelujah! The Qur'an makes the prophets pefrect, and not as real human beings. The Bible gives people comfort in the fact that all the prophets, besides Jesus, fell short, sinned, repented, and were therefore forgiven by Yahweh. Yes, the Jews did worship the golden calf, but, they fell short numerous times, even today! They are human like all of us. They killed their prophets because they didn't want
@ilovealsaboor to hear God's messages, so they rebelled by murdering their own brothers and sisters in the Land of Israel. They are always God's Chosen People because they gave birth to Jesus Christ, the heavenly Jewish Messiah. Obviously, the Bible never quotes Jesus as saying, "I am God, therefore worship me!" Well, in the Qur'an, where does Muhammad say, "I'm a prophet, therefore listen to me and believe in me?" Jesus uses I AM in the Gospel of John to reference Exodus 3:14 to show He is
@ilovealsaboor Preist, and King in one Christ (Messiah); 4) The Qur'an mistakenly assumes that the Trinity is Allah, Mary, and Jesus. Not even Catholics believe that, my friend. We don't join partners with Yahweh, but the Shahada apparently joins Muhammad in a blasphemous union with divinity. In the Shema of the Jewish people, you only have a confession of faith to God, not God and Moses.
I was messianic Jew in Israel,but they do not understand the Bible. They prefer to please state of Israel rather than God.They are fighting only to be recognized as a Jewish sect. They think when they are in Israel, they are already in God's Kingdom.But what Jesus will say about join military?To carry arms and kill in battle?They just use Jesus name in vain. it is better for them to remain Jews than to be fake christians.
@mexcad you can't stop being a Jew is you are a believer in the Messiah Yeshua. It doesn't stop you from being any less Jewish than a Mosaic Jew. Actually the old testament, even the Torah pts. to Jesus as the Messaiah. The so-called Christians who have killed Jews were not Christians at all. God does not teach us to kill and hate but to love. Jews are bitter right now and will not accept the Truth. While many are simply just carnal and don't care either way. So sad.
@SUSSTURUCU do you see? kuran don't have nothing to do. with Bible, so continue to watch your kuran. Prophets, are not messiah, Giudaic/Christians believe is messianic not only prophetic, and than you believe in all prophets but no one word of the prophets is reported in the kuran.. aaahh just fuck off.
@SUSSTURUCU kuran is only a lie full of error and contraddictions, and after all the Torah is Bible too.. you don't know nothing. allah is your God not mine for sure, my God don't had such name and such idea, my God is my father , in the bible is wrote that he make me at is immage and similarity (all the humans), in kuran this truth is not given for this you can't understand that God is father and who follow him is his son. Islam is only a politic/cultural thing not others.
Do your reading, Hell is a Christian invention, there is no Hell in the Old Testament for anyone to go to, all of the dead went to a place called sheol widely considered a metaphor for the grave and the idea of the resurrection was vague and not introduced until much later. Hell was an expanded version of an extra-biblical Rabbinical myth called gehinom. The idea of vicarious redemption is also a later New Testament one arguably in contradiction with OT scripture.
@redcommander27 1 The hand of the LORD was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” I said, “Sovereign LORD, you alone know.”
@redcommander27 4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’”
@redcommander27 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them. 9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’”
@redcommander27 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army..... So i know the old testament better than you..( 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live,). you are the classic sionist jews that had forget that God is also spirit..but i will explain to you something else.
@redcommander27 God had revealed himself in 3 aspect, all the Bible is based on this thing for exemple: Genesis 1:26 God speak plural ( we do the humans at our immagine and similarity), Genesis 3:22 God speak plural (the man is like one of us becouse he know the evil and the good like us), Genesis 11:7 Tower of babylon contest , God speak plural ( we have to go down and make confusion with the languages), (continua)
@redcommander27 Genesis 18:1-15 God had show himself to abrahm in 3 persons abhram confused speak with God now at singular than in plural. The Bible say that God is Father, Son (the verb) and Holy spirit. Deuteronomy 32:6 "is not him the father that have created you?", Jeremia 31:9 "i am a father for israel.." , Malakia 2:10 " isn't true that all we have only one father?", Jesus confirm this thing many times "Matt: 7:21 he that do the will of my father..."
@redcommander27 Matt:26:53 " Jesus: you think maybe that i can't pray my father?" Luke 2:49 "i have to do the thing of my father...", Matt 6:4 " your father that see in the secret.."
Matt 23:9 " becouse only one is your father, the father that is in heaven", Jhon 20:17 " i go up to my father and yours"..THE SON (WICH IS THE VERB) IS GOD: Psalms 2;7 " I will announce the decrete of the Lord , he said to me : you are my Son, today i have generated you",
@redcommander27 2Samuel 7:14 "i will be for him father , and he will be for me son", Jhon 8:57 "Jesus: "before abrahm was, I am ", Matt 11: 27 ""All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
@redcommander27 THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD: Genesis: At the beginning the spirit of God was upon all.. Isaiah 48:16 "The Lord had sended me togheter with his spirit.." Joel chapter 3 : I will give my spirit upon every man.." Psalm 51 " don't take away from me your holy spirit.." Corinthians 2:10-12 : 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them?
@redcommander27 (continue) In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. And many other exemple.. in substance, you refuse to enjoy God, enjoy God with the present of the holy spirit, not with mizvot or old laws,..if you love your next like yourself, of course you have done many of the 10 commandes...of God (moses's time)
@redcommander27 Now becouse you had insulting with your stubborness and ignorance and arrogance , the holy spirit , i will pray the Lord to give you a lesson, until you become a little bit more quiet, with yourself and with the people that live all around you, and when you will loose your forked tongue, i will be your friend too.
@redcommander27 and at least, the hell exist, more than one, one is waht the humans do here in this world, they created a kind of hell, the other more big than this, is the fury of God upon the bad peoples and will be eternal, that the hell don't exist is a lies of the devil, and you believe in this shit. All the bad peoples will recognize the Gehena's fire. The lake of fire where the devil will burn togheter with all the bad peoples that had follow him.
@Kenmorfdublin Of course he was a Jew, a Jewish rabbi, or do you think a non-Jew could preach in synagogues and was called rabbi? He was a reformer of Judaism, a statement that both many Christians and Jews would like to smash me for. Greetings from an agnostic German
@thekingofassholes I am a Jew who practices Judaism. I believe he was a man, not the one or the messiah, and i completely agree with you. Jews for Jesus are not Jews.
@elikron4ever you don't practice Judaism, you practice sionism, and this is something different, he was a man of course.. 100%man 100% God in spirit, you even donunderstand that the Bible have 3 big aspect, God , The holy spirit ( had spoken trough the prophets, and the Messiah..) jews like you are stubborn..but is your nature mixed with a very special curse for the jews maded by God self.. have a nicefukinlife
@Selvans100 I do practice Judaism. Hashem is one and cannot be divided into three. It is everything combined as one beyond human consciousness. From the perspective of Judaism worshiping anything else is idolatry. Please do not tell me what I am. I like how you don't just say curse, but say it was very special. I don't know what maded is. Is it like matted? You are welcome to believe whatever you wish, and as long as you are a positive person with positive actions...
@elikron4ever you can't divide the messiah from God and even not his word, so is always God, look at the sun for exemple, the sun give light and warmth.. all 2 are irradiation of the same thing. God had given the light in this world trough his messiah and give warmth love trough his holy spirit, Judaism ..you can't follow 100% anymore becouse you don't stoned no one, you don't kill sheeps every week..you are stubborn and blind.
@Selvans100 I am aware of what Christianity is. I follow Judaism. I can follow Judaism. You can believe what you want to, and I can believe what I want to. That is one of the wonders of being human. Stop being self righteous. Just because you believe it does not mean everyone else should. People get stoned all the time, if you know what I mean.
@elikron4ever no you don't follow judaism you follow a comfortable way to forget God, you don't stone peoples you don't kill a sheep every day not in one day.. you don't do many things of the old law, your salvation will not come for your decisions like " i don't eat pork, or something else.." your spirit have to be saved not your body.. do you get this? you dumbass.
@Selvans100 I am sorry you are so angry. I send you a virtual hug. I do follow Judaism. I was born a Jew, had a bris and an bar mitzvah. Judaism is a living religion through a people. We constantly reform it as time changes. I do not follow the Judaism of yesterday, but rather today. I do not eat pork because I am a vegetarian. I was making a joke with the Kim Kardashian thing, because someone posted something about a man named Kardeshian. They said he was a Jewsih Rabbi...
@Selvans100 even though he believed the Rabbi Yeshua ben Yusef the man was Hashem, and the Messiah, even though according to Judaism the Messiah will bring world peace in one visit. Hashem is Hebrew. It literally translates to "the name." We use this to reference the name of the one, which cannot be pronounced through any human language because it is beyond human consciousness. To say a name as in god is to make it an idol. No man is divided from Hashem, so no man can be...
@elikron4ever i don't divide nothing.. you divide,.. i can't divide the man from God you want divide, who is hashem? the new sionistic word for God? i never heaar something like this before..you don't know that the man was maded at imagine and similarity to God? have you never seen God? no of course so you can recognize him only trough the word.. his word. you are spastic..
@Selvans100 You are doing what you can. There is no one religion for people. It upsets me when non Jews represent themselves as Jewish. We are not the one religion. We are a religion that follows the one. Thank you, I do my best in life. I hope you have a nice life as well, full of plenty of fucking. Shalom.
@Kenmorfdublin I think you mean the great and still living Rabbi Kim Kardashian. I know who the Rabbi Yeshua Ben Yusef was. He was not the fictional character of Jesus Christ. He was not the Messiah. He was not Hashem more or less than anything else.
@elikron4ever kardashian ..hashem... you are totally in confusion.. i think you have to be some descendant of the phariseans or sadduceans, that believe not in the resurrection.. even is well clear in the bible..
@elikron4ever Nope - you're completely wrong yet again, and your fear of the unknown has shackled you from opening the You Tube link I provided, it's Rabbi Yitzhak 'Kaduri'...
@thekingofassholes He was never a Jew, it's a Jewish promoted lie, an attempt to claim Him and in so doing emasculate and compromise his message of love and peace.
N O W H E R E in the bible does it say he was a Jew!
Toss the chains of religion & be free to love everyone. Religions are fomenting a nuclear WWlll. If Israel annexes the temple mount & demolishes the dome of the rock mosque, the Islamists will not stand for it. Pakistan has the bomb & Iran will soon follow. Heed these words. BILLIONS will die...
I am Jewish and it is good to see more Christians in Israel, just as long as they do not consider them selves Jews or follows of the Jewish religion. I could care less.
@Kenmorfdublin I am very Jewish. You do not know me, so you judgement is a little premature. Still I have nothing but love for you. According to Judaism no man can be Hashem more than any other man, for we are all part of the one. According to Judaism the Messiah will bring peace in one visit. It is okay to believe in what you want to, but I do follow Judaism and "messianic jews" follow Christianity. There is nothing wrong with believing what they believe...
@Kenmorfdublin but it is not Judaism. The fact that I am Jewish does not make me better than any other human, but I do follow Judaism. Yeshua ben Yosef was a rabbi and reformer of Judaism. All his teachings are linked to Judaism, he just reformed them for his time, as is the duty of all Jews. Shalom and One love winner.
Yeshua was a Jew, His disciples were Jews. His Father spoke to the Jews. Jews created Christianity. We are all His Children and brothers and sisters in faith. So He clearly is the Messiah we are waiting for. Everyone shall see that He is the way, the truth and the life once He returns in the sky! I am a Christian and I read the Tanakh, the Peshitta, Bible Scrolls and Septuagint. I respect all people and try to love my enemy. I see no problems. One God and one Son for me. AHYH bless you all.
And where did you get the idea He wasn't? He was called the King of the Jews, He followed Jewish law and learned it, He teached in Jewish temple, He lived in Jewish land and had Jewish parents, had a Jewish name and His best friends/followers were Jewish.
Saul alone fell to the ground; those with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one; Saul was without sight for three days; Ananias was a disciple who laid hands on Saul to restore his sight and fill him with the Holy Spirit.
As a gentile of spanish descent and a Christian i am so very happy that the house of Israel is believing in our Lord Jesus Christ. It brings a peace and comfort to my heart that He will be returning soon to gather His church and take us home. As a gentile i pray and stand in the defense of Israel... Praise be to YESHUA... Glory to GOD!
And with an ever increasing number of Jews and Israeli's discovering the identity of their Messiah, and dancing and worshiping in this spirit, it would appear that something huge is starting to emerge. As Yeshua said, Jerusalem shall be trodden down be the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. We are now at that moment in time. And the final chapter will again center around Israel, the Jewish people, and Jerusalem. thegodreality com
@Matthew1944 Ah yes, Luke 21:24 They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end."
And what has this to do with Pauline Christianity? In fact, if you read history " In the Christian crusade to Jerusalem in 1099, more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children) were murdered by Christians.
@Matthew1944 2) In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
@Matthew1944: In point of fact, most of the people in Jerusalem were Christian in those days. Mostly Orthodox. Christianity comes from Judaism & is not hostile to Jews.
@VictorLepanto Wrong - in" point of fact", during Jesus lifetime there were no Pauline Christians (of the man-god believing kind) at all and not until almost two generations later. Jesus and his apostles were practicing Jews, a sect within Judaism. Orthodox WHAT? Christianity of your kind was illegal until the time of Constantine centuries later and then in 385 AD became the state religion in Rome. The pagan based man-god Christianity, termed Pauline Christianity had its birth in Rome.
@Matthew1944: "Pauline Christians?" If you ever actually read the Bible you'd see that St. Paul & the other Apostles were contemporary. I really have no interest in wading through your insane hodge podge of astonishing anachronistic historica fantasies. Go find a real history of the actual Church which existed in THIS world & not cloud-coo-coo land. I'd advise Jaroslav Pelikan.
@VictorLepanto - Paul the liar never met Jesus nor studied under the apostles. His first writings came 30 years later and were made up on the fly. If by "real history" you mean what the church teaches you, you have straight dogma and no history at all. Dat Kazav (Lying Religion, or Religion of Falseness) is a Hebrew term Ebionites (Jesus first followers) use to describe Christianity that comes from the 'ish kazav (Lying Man, i.e., Liar) Paul of Tarsus.
@Matthew1944: Whoever claimed St. Paul met Jesus, apart from St. Paul's vision? I'd like to hear the name of that fly St. Paul was riding when he wrote his epistles. It is an amusing story, rather like the one about Mohammed riding Barak to Jerusalem.
@VictorLepanto Whoever claimed St. Paul met Jesus, apart from St. Paul's vision?"
Which of the contradicting three versions of his "conversion". Conversion to what? There was no Christianity except that of Jesus followers who were Jews who believed that Jesus was A fully human messiah, a man, like Solomon and David. Paul's invented Jesus was a man-god.
@Matthew1944: If you think St. Paul's writings are contradictory on some points & you'll need to specify where you are mistaken on the issue, so I can correct you properly. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of your hypothetical point.
@VictorLepanto 2Saul alone fell to the ground; Those with him saw the light but did not hear the voice; No mention of three days without sight or food; Ananias was "a devout man according to the Law and liked by the Jews."
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Everyone fell to the ground; the voice spoke in the Hebrew Language; no blindness, no Ananias, no baptism, no restoration of sight, no “filled by Holy Spirit”!
@Matthew1944: I describe a woman I saw on some occasion & one time I say she wore a red dress & on another occasion I simply say she wore a dress, this is not a contradiction. If I say on another occasion I say she wore black high heel shoes, again this is not a contradiction. This simply mentioning some facts on one occasion & not mentioning a fact on another occasion. I would advise you to find yourself a dictionary & look up the word contradiction. Are you ESL?
@VictorLepanto Well did they see the light and no voice, or did they hear a voice and see nothing . Did Saul go blind or did he not? Paul claimed to come from the tribe of Benjamin but tribal systems ceased 500 years before his time. Paul claimed to have been born a Roman citizen but Jews weren't allowed citizenship in Rome until 212 AAD under Caracella. Again, he converted to what? The Ebionites, Jesus immediate followers, called him a liar and inventor of the "lying religion"?
@Matthew1944 2) There were only Jews and various pagan religions at that time. Jesus followers were practiicing Jews, a sect within Judaism and he split with them at Antioch, having to be saved by Romans. What did he convert to?
@Matthew1944: I take the Bible as the word of God & I accept what I read. I don't hear the voices in your head so I don't know what they are telling you. Obviously nothing good.
@Matthew1944 He is talking about the Greek English interlinear translation as well as the Hebrew one. Or you could also say he is talking about the New International Version (NIV). Hope this helps.
@VictorLepanto Which bible are you talking about, the catholic bible with 73 books, the KJB with 66 books, the Ethiopean bible that Includes the book of Enoch, and Macabees 1 & 2, the Vulgate bible, The Septuigent that INCLUDES 12 more books in the Old Test. and has LONGER versions of Daniel, Ezeikiel and others, and there are dozens more. Which Bible are you talking about?
@VictorLepanto 2) Christianity has always been hostile to Judaism and anti-semitism is inherent in Pauline Christianity, especially starting with the murder of Ebionites (Jesus first followers), then the crusades and finally blossoming under Catholicism, Hitler and Martin Luther whose book "On Jews and their Lies" was the inspiration for the mass murder of Jews by Nazis.
@Matthew1944: I hesitate to ask you anything but I will just as a case study in pathology. What exactly is a Pauline Christianity." I am not a resident of Cloud Coo-Coo Land so I am unfamiliar w/ your pecular sects.
@VictorLepanto 3) The fundie Christians who professs love and support for Israel today are in it for themselves. All Jews, front and center, ready for the return of Jesus at which time 2/3 of them (the unconverted to Christianity) will die along with 90% of the population while the fundies sail into the clouds. What a load of horse manure!
@Matthew1944: So you've spoken to all these people & are able to discern all their motives. What a wonderful mind reader you are. Do me now, what am I thinking?
@VictorLepanto 2) Celsus wrote: : I have even heard that some of your interpreters, as if they had just come out of a tavern, are onto the inconsistencies and, pen in hand, alter the originals writings, three, four and several more times over in order to be able to deny the contradictions in the face of criticism."
Thanks to God! May more and more Jews understand that Yehoshua is indeed the Messiah, and Saviour. God open the eyes of His people to His love for them through His Son!
I love you.Pray for The natural olive branch in 28 Deut 68(Key Word SHIPS) God is not a liar Hosea 8:13 & 9:3( confirms Their is a second bonage or Egyt )God did not lie God will bless in Genesis 12:3 (Israel is the people not the land)
to forgive us, heal us and spread His good Word about His Father. He said when you look at me you see the Father. This means He spoke through Yaweh. He said 'Before Abraham was born, I AM'. I AM is Yaweh's original name. So they both are God and Father and Son at the same time. Please accept the Lord Yeshua and feel freedom and His love and be saved forever. He came once, and another time He will give us a chance. Don´t turn your back again.
respect and love thy neighbour? I guess they don´t know this since Yeshua preached this. To turn the other cheek, love your neighbour and enemy and to cast the first stone when you are without sin. So why fight with violence over a belief? Let me tell you this. One the day of Yeshua's return every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess He is Lord and savior. Are Jews going to reject Him again? Or suddenly accept Him? I am not perfect but wake up people. Yeshua came specially for us
It is quite weird and hypocrite. Yeshua a Jew gets rejected by His own people. Because He told the truth? He said He was the way, the truth and the life and that you only come to the Father through Him. He told us (His disciples) to write down and spread His gospel! So guess who is really right? The only truth religions are Christianity and Messianic Judaism. Yaweh's religions. The way it´s meant to be. And then we get tortured because of the truth? Orthodox Jews learn from their God not to
is it the christians fault that their being taught wrong no, but if they come to find out that alot of the things that they do believe is false then its there job to correct it and acknowledge the true belief, same with judaism , most jews dont even know why they believe certain things, is it their fault no, its the rabbinic leaders that keep their feet on israelis necks forcing them to swallow the lies they preach,real jews follow torah, tanakh and Y'shuah son of YhVH..nothing else
MESSIANIC JEWS DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS, WE BELIEVE IN Y'SHUAH. JESUS IS ONLY BEING USED SO THAT OTHERS MAY IDENTIFY WHO WE SPEAK OF, JESUS IS A WRONG INTERPRETATION OF THE NAME IT IS A GREEK NAME...CHRISTINITY IS A FORM OF JUDAISM, BUT FILLED WITH ALOT OF PAGAN RITUALS AND BELIEFS , TRUE SERVENTS OF YHVH KEEP THE SEVEN FEAST , DIETARY LAWS, AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WHICH COVERS ALL LAWS IN CONTEXTS...RABBINIS JUDAISM IS MAN MADE NON SENSE NOT TORAH..TORAH AND TANAKH ARE ONE...
Messianic Jews, as these Jews who believe in Jesus are called, number just a few in Israel — anywhere between 6,000 and 15,000 — but they provoke hatred all out of proportion to their meager numbers. Many orthodox Jews view them as traitors for joining the Christian faith, which for centuries has persecuted
"The Ronens are sometimes accused of being missionaries." That's because they are. I just hope Yad Le'achim gets them before they get to more Jews. These people are sick.
Messianics present more of a danger to the Jewish people than does the entire Arab world. Messianics should be kicked out of Israel. They're as dangerous as our cousins to the East.
@regbi233 That's right. Religious intolerance is the answer -- because there just isn't enough of that in Israel. Those awful Messianic Jews want to be faithful to the God of Israel and want their fellow Jews to experience Him in a more perfect way through the Person they believe must be the Jewish Messiah. The Muslims in the Islamic world just want to spill Jewish blood because they see the children of Israel as subhuman apostates eternally accursed by Allah. Obviously the two are no different.
@ElasticGiraffe You're being disrespectful by trying to wipe out my people. Yoshke was cut off from the Jewish people by the Sanhedrin. He was not only a fake but someone who wanted to hurt us. The gentiles who follow him are being fooled by people like you. "Messianics" have no place in Israel.
@regbi233 Oh, sure. A Jew can turn his back on the God of Israel entirely by becoming an full-blown atheist, and he is still essentially Jewish -- but heaven forbid that Jew acknowledges Yeshua ha Mashiach. THAT is unforgivable. No, labeling other Jews race traitors simply because they believe a Messiah who comes twice, first as a suffering servant and Melchizedekian priest and then as a triumphant Davidic king, rather than in two Messiahs or a Messiah-less messianic age -- that is unacceptable.
@ElasticGiraffe I'm not about to get into a discussion with some crazy Missionary. I've been targeted by missionaries vermin a lot because I don't look like your typical orthodox Jew. You guys are really sick! Keep commenting, see if I care!
@ElasticGiraffe If a Jews believes in Jesus, he becomes a Christian. The suffering servant is Israel. There are no prophecies for Jesus in the Tanakh.
@Matthew1944 Because asserting it makes it so. There are plenty of predictive prophecies about Jesus in the Tanakh. If a Jew believes in Yeshua because he believes him to be the promised Messiah, then he is being a faithful Jew. If, however, God has sent His people their Messiah to atone for their sins and they reject him, then THEY are the unfaithful Jews. Christianity was initially a denomination of Judaism, but due to Jewish rejection and persecution, Yeshua became a light unto the gentiles.
@ElasticGiraffe A Jew who believes in Jesus is a Christian of Jewish origin. The Tanakh specifically states thus: "4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior."
Unfortunately, you do not seem to have any idea of what Jews believe and therefore you are unaware of just how different Judaism is from Christianity. There are prophecies which the FULLY HUMAN messiah must fulfil during his lifetime l to prove himself..
@Matthew1944 You seem to have no understanding of Messianic Judaism if you believe that passage is problematic for us. God IS our salvation. He provided a sacrificial ram in our place; death passed us by thanks to the Passover lamb's blood. Yeshua was fully human. But man was created in God's image to reflect His likeness. That image, however, is marred by sin, and each person is alienated from their Creator -- but Yeshua led a flawless life faithful to Torah, the only Jew who ever has or will.
@Matthew1944 That is what he meant when he said, "If you have seen me, then you have seen the Father." He was the perfect image -- the essence of what it means to be human. Sin erodes our humanity and impedes our calling to be perfect images of God. Abraham was not saved by the Law because he came prior to Moshe receiving the Law. No, he was saved by his faithfulness to God based on what he knew. One reason for the Law was to expose the corruption of fallen humanity, as represented by Israel.
@Matthew1944 Israel is what the world should have been, and Yeshua ha Mashiach is what Israel should have been. I already mentioned that some rabbis even proposed two messiahs, yet you will not entertain one messiah in two stages? The first advent was primarily as a humble lamb and a suffering servant, a priest of the order of Melchizedek who made atonement for the covenant people and brought spiritual peace; the second advent will be primarily as a Davidic king who will bring political peace.
@ElasticGiraffe The FULLY HUMAN messiah of Tanakh prophecy is not to be a man-god. That is pagan. Jesus had no claim to the throne of David. In Judaic texts, the term messiah was used for all kings, high priests, certain warriors, but never eschatological figures. In the Tanach, moshiach is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah
@Matthew1944 so that he could show mercy to all. God has NOT abandoned even unfaithful Jews, and Christians who read their Scriptures can plainly see that isn't the case. Judaism IS different from Christianity because the former is a reactionary attempt by quarrelsome rabbis with creative imaginations to practice the biblical faith in a time when it is clearly not practicable anymore. If the latter is true Judaism, then rabbis need not improvise; they can remain faithful to the God of Israel.
@ElasticGiraffe Judaism IS different from Christianity because the former is a reactionary attempt by quarrelsome rabbis with creative imaginations to practice the biblical faith in a time when it is clearly not practicable anymore."
Pure and utter garbage. Judaism is now, except for animal sacrifice which stopped when the temple came down, just as it was. Christianity is a NEW religion based on Paul's pagan teachings of a man-god and vicarious atonement.
@Matthew1944 Judaism has changed and developed based on rabbinic commentary instead of the Tanakh."Pauls pagan teaching" Psalms 22 speaks of the crucifiction, Isaiah 53 of the suffering servant who would be a guilt offering for sin and bear the sins of many. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of the child to be born giving him titles only given to God. Daniel 7:13, 14 speaks of one like a son of man who is given soverign power and authority over all, who has an eternal Kingdom. These ideas are not pagan.
@Yeshuamyhope - The original Psalms 22:17 reads: "17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet." What crucifixion?
@Yeshuamyhope Isaiah 9:6? Notice that it says "a child HAS been born to us". This is an event that has just occured, not an event in the future. A future event would say a child will be born to us, but this is NOT what the verse says. Since the birth happend in Ahaz's day, it could not refer to Jesus, who was born many hundreds of years later.
@Yeshuamyhope 14 speaks of one like a son of man who is given soverign power and authority over all, who has an eternal Kingdom. These ideas are not pagan."
Absolutely but the idea of a man-god, vicarious atonement and the sacrifice of a human being ARE.
@Matthew1944 As far as the atonement and sacrifice of Messiah you are ignoring Isaiah 53, Psalm 22. As far as Theoanthropas(GOD MAN)-one like a son of man who has an eternal kingdom who has glory and power where people from all nations SERVES him, this is exaclty a God man, so ignore this if you would like-Daniel 7:13, 14 and also Psalm 110 speaks of the Lord at the right hand and describes how the Lord at the right hand is judge over the kings of the earth.
@Yeshuamyhope None of the Jewish bible, the Tanakh, on which your interpolated, edited OT is loosely based, has anything to say about Jesus or any man-god. Your story is pagan to the core.
@Yeshuamyhope Bull poop, yesh. I have nothing to feel guilty about and your statement is an empty threat. You believe you are free and justified, and you are certainly welcome to believe whatever you want, even if it's a pagan man-god story.
What kind of a God gets killed by his slaves.listen people God is one and not a human being their is nothing like him Jesus was a messenger of God and i invite you people to islam because God will never accept from u if you make partners to him in worship and he will never forgive you.
ilovealsaboor 1 week ago
@ilovealsaboor At least you are a stand up person for speaking your mind, so as a Christian, I will answer. 1) God allowed Himself to become human through the Person of Jesus (Second Person of the Holy Trinity) and the Jews are His Chosen People, not slaves, in Islam, you are told that Allah is a slave master and you are his slave; 2) The Trinity affirms God is one, but three Personalities encompass that One like two people make one couple, not two! 3) Jesus, as the Messiah, was a Prophet,
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@CoolGuy18201 brother i have read the bible and i know the story of trinity very well god willing i have one question to ask you check the whole bible and find one verse where jesus says that i am your lord God worship me?
i will tell you somthing about the jews they were chosen but only the pious of them but only for that time but latter they started killing the prophets of God and when moses went to the mount they worshiped a calf.
ilovealsaboor 6 days ago
@CoolGuy18201 brother if you want to know more about jesus and moses and abraham read the Holy Quran once and everything will make sense.
who could be more astray then the one who does not follow the way of Abraham peace be on him he was not a jew nor a Christian he worshiped only one true God so did all the prophets Adam,Noah,Ismael,Ishaq,Jacob,Moses,Jesus,and the last and final messenger prophet Mohammad peace be on all of them.
ilovealsaboor 6 days ago
@CoolGuy18201 i will also like to point out the current situation in the christian world.
jesus said dont drink but christains drink
jesus said dont eat pork christains eat pork
jesus said the women should coverup christain women don't cover up
jesus said dont commit adultry christain commit adultry
and there are 1000 reasons i can give you that christainty has been currupted by man thats why God sent the last prophet mohammad peace be on him.to remind the people not to do these acts
ilovealsaboor 6 days ago
@CoolGuy18201 brother This is what God told us about Jesus peace be on him in holy Quran."Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel
ilovealsaboor 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor Abraham was Jewish in the sense that he worshipped God and had the first commandments of Judaism given to him, like circumcison. Also, Jesus never said "Don't drink" in the Bible, in fact, He drank wine every Passover meal. Jesus was Jewish, so in order for Him to be the Messiah, He had to follow Jewish customary laws in Israel and in His faith of Judaism. Paul told women to cover up to not be compared to Gentile idol worshippers. Some Christians do commit adultery, but true
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor Christians repent of that sin and they are forgiven by God because of Christ. Hallelujah! The Qur'an makes the prophets pefrect, and not as real human beings. The Bible gives people comfort in the fact that all the prophets, besides Jesus, fell short, sinned, repented, and were therefore forgiven by Yahweh. Yes, the Jews did worship the golden calf, but, they fell short numerous times, even today! They are human like all of us. They killed their prophets because they didn't want
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor to hear God's messages, so they rebelled by murdering their own brothers and sisters in the Land of Israel. They are always God's Chosen People because they gave birth to Jesus Christ, the heavenly Jewish Messiah. Obviously, the Bible never quotes Jesus as saying, "I am God, therefore worship me!" Well, in the Qur'an, where does Muhammad say, "I'm a prophet, therefore listen to me and believe in me?" Jesus uses I AM in the Gospel of John to reference Exodus 3:14 to show He is
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor divine. That's basically it. Thanks for the questions! God bless!
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor Preist, and King in one Christ (Messiah); 4) The Qur'an mistakenly assumes that the Trinity is Allah, Mary, and Jesus. Not even Catholics believe that, my friend. We don't join partners with Yahweh, but the Shahada apparently joins Muhammad in a blasphemous union with divinity. In the Shema of the Jewish people, you only have a confession of faith to God, not God and Moses.
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
@ilovealsaboor One more thing, God bless you and I will pray for you!
CoolGuy18201 6 days ago
do they go around trying to convert everyone??
klustpooh 2 weeks ago
Jesus would disapprove of a religion that prays to a man made of flesh and bones.
In Judaism the prophets are mere messengers to be emulated but not revered.
This is not monotheism. Jesus would disapprove!!!
klustpooh 2 weeks ago
I was messianic Jew in Israel,but they do not understand the Bible. They prefer to please state of Israel rather than God.They are fighting only to be recognized as a Jewish sect. They think when they are in Israel, they are already in God's Kingdom.But what Jesus will say about join military?To carry arms and kill in battle?They just use Jesus name in vain. it is better for them to remain Jews than to be fake christians.
victoria572904 3 weeks ago
DO NOT CALL YOURSELF A JEW, YOU HAVE FORSAKEN H', all you're doing is idolatry.
mexcad 1 month ago
@mexcad you can't stop being a Jew is you are a believer in the Messiah Yeshua. It doesn't stop you from being any less Jewish than a Mosaic Jew. Actually the old testament, even the Torah pts. to Jesus as the Messaiah. The so-called Christians who have killed Jews were not Christians at all. God does not teach us to kill and hate but to love. Jews are bitter right now and will not accept the Truth. While many are simply just carnal and don't care either way. So sad.
mismestera 1 month ago
JESUS IS THE MESSIAH!!
MattiasAyd 2 months ago 2
ONLY JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND LOVE!
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AngeIsRockShow 2 months ago
Yeshua is the word of Father Yah most high made flesh. Yeshua is Yah. To get close with Father Yah you must accept the Lordship of his Son Yeshua
madm3rlin 2 months ago
Please research to JESUS in İSLAM...
I think that JESUS is not GOD or GOD's SON like a lot of Armenians...
SUSSTURUCU 2 months ago
@SUSSTURUCU you think fake.. islam don't have nothing to do with Bible.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100 No you don't know nothing about islam..
İslam is not same with arabic culture..
İslam is the most intelligent religion in the world
When i read to Tora and Bible ı start to laugh...Because these books have got a lot of nonsenses...
But KURAN is not like this..
Please resarch...But research it truely..
And muslim people believe to all of the prophets...
SUSSTURUCU 2 months ago
@SUSSTURUCU do you see? kuran don't have nothing to do. with Bible, so continue to watch your kuran. Prophets, are not messiah, Giudaic/Christians believe is messianic not only prophetic, and than you believe in all prophets but no one word of the prophets is reported in the kuran.. aaahh just fuck off.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@SUSSTURUCU kuran is only a lie full of error and contraddictions, and after all the Torah is Bible too.. you don't know nothing. allah is your God not mine for sure, my God don't had such name and such idea, my God is my father , in the bible is wrote that he make me at is immage and similarity (all the humans), in kuran this truth is not given for this you can't understand that God is father and who follow him is his son. Islam is only a politic/cultural thing not others.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100
Do your reading, Hell is a Christian invention, there is no Hell in the Old Testament for anyone to go to, all of the dead went to a place called sheol widely considered a metaphor for the grave and the idea of the resurrection was vague and not introduced until much later. Hell was an expanded version of an extra-biblical Rabbinical myth called gehinom. The idea of vicarious redemption is also a later New Testament one arguably in contradiction with OT scripture.
redcommander27 2 months ago
@redcommander27 1 The hand of the LORD was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” I said, “Sovereign LORD, you alone know.”
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’”
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them. 9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’”
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army..... So i know the old testament better than you..( 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live,). you are the classic sionist jews that had forget that God is also spirit..but i will explain to you something else.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 God had revealed himself in 3 aspect, all the Bible is based on this thing for exemple: Genesis 1:26 God speak plural ( we do the humans at our immagine and similarity), Genesis 3:22 God speak plural (the man is like one of us becouse he know the evil and the good like us), Genesis 11:7 Tower of babylon contest , God speak plural ( we have to go down and make confusion with the languages), (continua)
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 Genesis 18:1-15 God had show himself to abrahm in 3 persons abhram confused speak with God now at singular than in plural. The Bible say that God is Father, Son (the verb) and Holy spirit. Deuteronomy 32:6 "is not him the father that have created you?", Jeremia 31:9 "i am a father for israel.." , Malakia 2:10 " isn't true that all we have only one father?", Jesus confirm this thing many times "Matt: 7:21 he that do the will of my father..."
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 Matt:26:53 " Jesus: you think maybe that i can't pray my father?" Luke 2:49 "i have to do the thing of my father...", Matt 6:4 " your father that see in the secret.."
Matt 23:9 " becouse only one is your father, the father that is in heaven", Jhon 20:17 " i go up to my father and yours"..THE SON (WICH IS THE VERB) IS GOD: Psalms 2;7 " I will announce the decrete of the Lord , he said to me : you are my Son, today i have generated you",
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 2Samuel 7:14 "i will be for him father , and he will be for me son", Jhon 8:57 "Jesus: "before abrahm was, I am ", Matt 11: 27 ""All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD: Genesis: At the beginning the spirit of God was upon all.. Isaiah 48:16 "The Lord had sended me togheter with his spirit.." Joel chapter 3 : I will give my spirit upon every man.." Psalm 51 " don't take away from me your holy spirit.." Corinthians 2:10-12 : 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them?
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 (continue) In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. And many other exemple.. in substance, you refuse to enjoy God, enjoy God with the present of the holy spirit, not with mizvot or old laws,..if you love your next like yourself, of course you have done many of the 10 commandes...of God (moses's time)
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 Now becouse you had insulting with your stubborness and ignorance and arrogance , the holy spirit , i will pray the Lord to give you a lesson, until you become a little bit more quiet, with yourself and with the people that live all around you, and when you will loose your forked tongue, i will be your friend too.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@redcommander27 and at least, the hell exist, more than one, one is waht the humans do here in this world, they created a kind of hell, the other more big than this, is the fury of God upon the bad peoples and will be eternal, that the hell don't exist is a lies of the devil, and you believe in this shit. All the bad peoples will recognize the Gehena's fire. The lake of fire where the devil will burn togheter with all the bad peoples that had follow him.
Selvans100 2 months ago
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redcommander27 2 months ago
In my opinion anything but being a muslim or an Irish catholic is ok
thekingofassholes 2 months ago
@thekingofassholes In my opinion anything but a bigot is ok.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@thekingofassholes That's a compliment coming from someone as evil as you.
Merry Christmas to you ;)
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
Jesus was NOT a Jew! That is a whopper of a LIE!
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin Of course he was a Jew, a Jewish rabbi, or do you think a non-Jew could preach in synagogues and was called rabbi? He was a reformer of Judaism, a statement that both many Christians and Jews would like to smash me for. Greetings from an agnostic German
thekingofassholes 2 months ago
@thekingofassholes I am a Jew who practices Judaism. I believe he was a man, not the one or the messiah, and i completely agree with you. Jews for Jesus are not Jews.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever you don't practice Judaism, you practice sionism, and this is something different, he was a man of course.. 100%man 100% God in spirit, you even donunderstand that the Bible have 3 big aspect, God , The holy spirit ( had spoken trough the prophets, and the Messiah..) jews like you are stubborn..but is your nature mixed with a very special curse for the jews maded by God self.. have a nicefukinlife
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100 I do practice Judaism. Hashem is one and cannot be divided into three. It is everything combined as one beyond human consciousness. From the perspective of Judaism worshiping anything else is idolatry. Please do not tell me what I am. I like how you don't just say curse, but say it was very special. I don't know what maded is. Is it like matted? You are welcome to believe whatever you wish, and as long as you are a positive person with positive actions...
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever you can't divide the messiah from God and even not his word, so is always God, look at the sun for exemple, the sun give light and warmth.. all 2 are irradiation of the same thing. God had given the light in this world trough his messiah and give warmth love trough his holy spirit, Judaism ..you can't follow 100% anymore becouse you don't stoned no one, you don't kill sheeps every week..you are stubborn and blind.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100 I am aware of what Christianity is. I follow Judaism. I can follow Judaism. You can believe what you want to, and I can believe what I want to. That is one of the wonders of being human. Stop being self righteous. Just because you believe it does not mean everyone else should. People get stoned all the time, if you know what I mean.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever no you don't follow judaism you follow a comfortable way to forget God, you don't stone peoples you don't kill a sheep every day not in one day.. you don't do many things of the old law, your salvation will not come for your decisions like " i don't eat pork, or something else.." your spirit have to be saved not your body.. do you get this? you dumbass.
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100 I am sorry you are so angry. I send you a virtual hug. I do follow Judaism. I was born a Jew, had a bris and an bar mitzvah. Judaism is a living religion through a people. We constantly reform it as time changes. I do not follow the Judaism of yesterday, but rather today. I do not eat pork because I am a vegetarian. I was making a joke with the Kim Kardashian thing, because someone posted something about a man named Kardeshian. They said he was a Jewsih Rabbi...
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@Selvans100 even though he believed the Rabbi Yeshua ben Yusef the man was Hashem, and the Messiah, even though according to Judaism the Messiah will bring world peace in one visit. Hashem is Hebrew. It literally translates to "the name." We use this to reference the name of the one, which cannot be pronounced through any human language because it is beyond human consciousness. To say a name as in god is to make it an idol. No man is divided from Hashem, so no man can be...
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@Selvans100 it more than another. I still do not know what maded is. Shalom and one love brother.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@Selvans100 You cannot divide anything from Hashem, for it is everything as one. Not even the sun, or words so, so everything is always one.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever i don't divide nothing.. you divide,.. i can't divide the man from God you want divide, who is hashem? the new sionistic word for God? i never heaar something like this before..you don't know that the man was maded at imagine and similarity to God? have you never seen God? no of course so you can recognize him only trough the word.. his word. you are spastic..
Selvans100 2 months ago
@Selvans100 You are doing what you can. There is no one religion for people. It upsets me when non Jews represent themselves as Jewish. We are not the one religion. We are a religion that follows the one. Thank you, I do my best in life. I hope you have a nice life as well, full of plenty of fucking. Shalom.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
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Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin I think you mean the great and still living Rabbi Kim Kardashian. I know who the Rabbi Yeshua Ben Yusef was. He was not the fictional character of Jesus Christ. He was not the Messiah. He was not Hashem more or less than anything else.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever kardashian ..hashem... you are totally in confusion.. i think you have to be some descendant of the phariseans or sadduceans, that believe not in the resurrection.. even is well clear in the bible..
Selvans100 2 months ago
@elikron4ever Nope - you're completely wrong yet again, and your fear of the unknown has shackled you from opening the You Tube link I provided, it's Rabbi Yitzhak 'Kaduri'...
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
@thekingofassholes before than a simple human (jew or something else) he is God, self..so you can't compare Jesus like you do before..
Selvans100 2 months ago
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@thekingofassholes He was never a Jew, it's a Jewish promoted lie, an attempt to claim Him and in so doing emasculate and compromise his message of love and peace.
N O W H E R E in the bible does it say he was a Jew!
Greetings from a proud IRISH CATHOLIC ;)
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin dont tell me...he was a budist..,
lumpfish99 2 months ago
Jews don't believe Jesus, Joshua, Yeshua, or whatever else you want to call him was anything but a man.
elikron4ever 3 months ago
Toss the chains of religion & be free to love everyone. Religions are fomenting a nuclear WWlll. If Israel annexes the temple mount & demolishes the dome of the rock mosque, the Islamists will not stand for it. Pakistan has the bomb & Iran will soon follow. Heed these words. BILLIONS will die...
waycooltoo 3 months ago
I am Jewish and it is good to see more Christians in Israel, just as long as they do not consider them selves Jews or follows of the Jewish religion. I could care less.
Airsoftattack123 4 months ago
Jews turning to Christ/ the fig tree in leaf. That gives me hope. Thank you.
svennbreng 4 months ago
@svennbreng They are not Jews.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@elikron4ever They are more Jew than you will ever be loser.
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin I am very Jewish. You do not know me, so you judgement is a little premature. Still I have nothing but love for you. According to Judaism no man can be Hashem more than any other man, for we are all part of the one. According to Judaism the Messiah will bring peace in one visit. It is okay to believe in what you want to, but I do follow Judaism and "messianic jews" follow Christianity. There is nothing wrong with believing what they believe...
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@Kenmorfdublin but it is not Judaism. The fact that I am Jewish does not make me better than any other human, but I do follow Judaism. Yeshua ben Yosef was a rabbi and reformer of Judaism. All his teachings are linked to Judaism, he just reformed them for his time, as is the duty of all Jews. Shalom and One love winner.
elikron4ever 2 months ago
@matthew1944 Yeshua is Lord and Messiah. Maybe one day you will feel the same way : )
madm3rlin 4 months ago
@madm3rlin Amen ;)
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
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Yeshua was a Jew, His disciples were Jews. His Father spoke to the Jews. Jews created Christianity. We are all His Children and brothers and sisters in faith. So He clearly is the Messiah we are waiting for. Everyone shall see that He is the way, the truth and the life once He returns in the sky! I am a Christian and I read the Tanakh, the Peshitta, Bible Scrolls and Septuagint. I respect all people and try to love my enemy. I see no problems. One God and one Son for me. AHYH bless you all.
royalsteven 4 months ago
@royalsteven Yeshua was NOT a Jew - that is a blasphemy!
Kenmorfdublin 2 months ago
And where did you get the idea He wasn't? He was called the King of the Jews, He followed Jewish law and learned it, He teached in Jewish temple, He lived in Jewish land and had Jewish parents, had a Jewish name and His best friends/followers were Jewish.
royalsteven 2 months ago
as long as they dont follow talmud they good to go!!!
rafyraf100 4 months ago
Praise GOD! Prophecy being fulfilled! Hallelujah!
ExPartyGirl 4 months ago
May our Lord Jehovah Shalom & Yeshua Bless all of you
Numbers-6:24-26
The Lord bless you& keep you.
The Lord make his face shine upon you.
The Lord turn his face toward you & give you peace.
20fox10 4 months ago
Not really because I'm not sure what YOU are replying to.
Matthew1944 4 months ago
Which Version is the reader to believe?
Saul alone fell to the ground; those with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one; Saul was without sight for three days; Ananias was a disciple who laid hands on Saul to restore his sight and fill him with the Holy Spirit.
Or
Matthew1944 5 months ago
As a gentile of spanish descent and a Christian i am so very happy that the house of Israel is believing in our Lord Jesus Christ. It brings a peace and comfort to my heart that He will be returning soon to gather His church and take us home. As a gentile i pray and stand in the defense of Israel... Praise be to YESHUA... Glory to GOD!
SAVAGEPUSS 5 months ago
And with an ever increasing number of Jews and Israeli's discovering the identity of their Messiah, and dancing and worshiping in this spirit, it would appear that something huge is starting to emerge. As Yeshua said, Jerusalem shall be trodden down be the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. We are now at that moment in time. And the final chapter will again center around Israel, the Jewish people, and Jerusalem. thegodreality com
heiningerjohn 6 months ago
@heiningerjohn As Yeshua said, Jerusalem shall be trodden down be the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled."
Chapter and verse?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 Ah yes, Luke 21:24 They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end."
And what has this to do with Pauline Christianity? In fact, if you read history " In the Christian crusade to Jerusalem in 1099, more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children) were murdered by Christians.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 2) In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: In point of fact, most of the people in Jerusalem were Christian in those days. Mostly Orthodox. Christianity comes from Judaism & is not hostile to Jews.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto Wrong - in" point of fact", during Jesus lifetime there were no Pauline Christians (of the man-god believing kind) at all and not until almost two generations later. Jesus and his apostles were practicing Jews, a sect within Judaism. Orthodox WHAT? Christianity of your kind was illegal until the time of Constantine centuries later and then in 385 AD became the state religion in Rome. The pagan based man-god Christianity, termed Pauline Christianity had its birth in Rome.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: "Pauline Christians?" If you ever actually read the Bible you'd see that St. Paul & the other Apostles were contemporary. I really have no interest in wading through your insane hodge podge of astonishing anachronistic historica fantasies. Go find a real history of the actual Church which existed in THIS world & not cloud-coo-coo land. I'd advise Jaroslav Pelikan.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto - Paul the liar never met Jesus nor studied under the apostles. His first writings came 30 years later and were made up on the fly. If by "real history" you mean what the church teaches you, you have straight dogma and no history at all. Dat Kazav (Lying Religion, or Religion of Falseness) is a Hebrew term Ebionites (Jesus first followers) use to describe Christianity that comes from the 'ish kazav (Lying Man, i.e., Liar) Paul of Tarsus.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: Whoever claimed St. Paul met Jesus, apart from St. Paul's vision? I'd like to hear the name of that fly St. Paul was riding when he wrote his epistles. It is an amusing story, rather like the one about Mohammed riding Barak to Jerusalem.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto Whoever claimed St. Paul met Jesus, apart from St. Paul's vision?"
Which of the contradicting three versions of his "conversion". Conversion to what? There was no Christianity except that of Jesus followers who were Jews who believed that Jesus was A fully human messiah, a man, like Solomon and David. Paul's invented Jesus was a man-god.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: If you think St. Paul's writings are contradictory on some points & you'll need to specify where you are mistaken on the issue, so I can correct you properly. I don't acknowledge the legitimacy of your hypothetical point.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto 2Saul alone fell to the ground; Those with him saw the light but did not hear the voice; No mention of three days without sight or food; Ananias was "a devout man according to the Law and liked by the Jews."
Or
Everyone fell to the ground; the voice spoke in the Hebrew Language; no blindness, no Ananias, no baptism, no restoration of sight, no “filled by Holy Spirit”!
Remember: Luke wrote all three of these accounts
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: I describe a woman I saw on some occasion & one time I say she wore a red dress & on another occasion I simply say she wore a dress, this is not a contradiction. If I say on another occasion I say she wore black high heel shoes, again this is not a contradiction. This simply mentioning some facts on one occasion & not mentioning a fact on another occasion. I would advise you to find yourself a dictionary & look up the word contradiction. Are you ESL?
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto Well did they see the light and no voice, or did they hear a voice and see nothing . Did Saul go blind or did he not? Paul claimed to come from the tribe of Benjamin but tribal systems ceased 500 years before his time. Paul claimed to have been born a Roman citizen but Jews weren't allowed citizenship in Rome until 212 AAD under Caracella. Again, he converted to what? The Ebionites, Jesus immediate followers, called him a liar and inventor of the "lying religion"?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 2) There were only Jews and various pagan religions at that time. Jesus followers were practiicing Jews, a sect within Judaism and he split with them at Antioch, having to be saved by Romans. What did he convert to?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: I take the Bible as the word of God & I accept what I read. I don't hear the voices in your head so I don't know what they are telling you. Obviously nothing good.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
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Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 He is talking about the Greek English interlinear translation as well as the Hebrew one. Or you could also say he is talking about the New International Version (NIV). Hope this helps.
darkdavegmail 4 months ago
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@VictorLepanto Which bible are you talking about, the catholic bible with 73 books, the KJB with 66 books, the Ethiopean bible that Includes the book of Enoch, and Macabees 1 & 2, the Vulgate bible, The Septuigent that INCLUDES 12 more books in the Old Test. and has LONGER versions of Daniel, Ezeikiel and others, and there are dozens more. Which Bible are you talking about?
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 your the liar fool!!!
rafyraf100 4 months ago
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@rafyraf100 your the liar fool!!!
And you consider yourself wise for falling hook, line and sinker for a pagan man-god story, right?
Matthew1944 4 months ago
@VictorLepanto 2) Christianity has always been hostile to Judaism and anti-semitism is inherent in Pauline Christianity, especially starting with the murder of Ebionites (Jesus first followers), then the crusades and finally blossoming under Catholicism, Hitler and Martin Luther whose book "On Jews and their Lies" was the inspiration for the mass murder of Jews by Nazis.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: I hesitate to ask you anything but I will just as a case study in pathology. What exactly is a Pauline Christianity." I am not a resident of Cloud Coo-Coo Land so I am unfamiliar w/ your pecular sects.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto What exactly is a Pauline Christianity
Look it up. It's the Christianity you follow today, based on a pagan-man-god.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto 3) The fundie Christians who professs love and support for Israel today are in it for themselves. All Jews, front and center, ready for the return of Jesus at which time 2/3 of them (the unconverted to Christianity) will die along with 90% of the population while the fundies sail into the clouds. What a load of horse manure!
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944: So you've spoken to all these people & are able to discern all their motives. What a wonderful mind reader you are. Do me now, what am I thinking?
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto 2) Celsus wrote: : I have even heard that some of your interpreters, as if they had just come out of a tavern, are onto the inconsistencies and, pen in hand, alter the originals writings, three, four and several more times over in order to be able to deny the contradictions in the face of criticism."
Matthew1944 5 months ago
Glory to God. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Amen
aznray 6 months ago
Thanks to God! May more and more Jews understand that Yehoshua is indeed the Messiah, and Saviour. God open the eyes of His people to His love for them through His Son!
graceinmay 6 months ago 2
Glory be to God! that God's chosen people can embrace Jesus who came to save them first!!!
patriciacarrasco 6 months ago
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GOD BLESS ISRAEL!
xpanziontube 6 months ago
This is such a horrible misinterpretation of the Torah, and a very thinly attempt to evangelize to Jews who are uneducated in their religion.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
WtF
Stop with the fairy tales already!!!
2011 should be the year you enlight yourself and break the chains of religions!!
hasjtrackers 7 months ago
I love you.Pray for The natural olive branch in 28 Deut 68(Key Word SHIPS) God is not a liar Hosea 8:13 & 9:3( confirms Their is a second bonage or Egyt )God did not lie God will bless in Genesis 12:3 (Israel is the people not the land)
yazooize 8 months ago 2
Thank God.
the spirit of god is being poured out. i pray to god that many of his chosen people will open their hearts to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
benalchemist74 8 months ago
to forgive us, heal us and spread His good Word about His Father. He said when you look at me you see the Father. This means He spoke through Yaweh. He said 'Before Abraham was born, I AM'. I AM is Yaweh's original name. So they both are God and Father and Son at the same time. Please accept the Lord Yeshua and feel freedom and His love and be saved forever. He came once, and another time He will give us a chance. Don´t turn your back again.
royalsteven 8 months ago
respect and love thy neighbour? I guess they don´t know this since Yeshua preached this. To turn the other cheek, love your neighbour and enemy and to cast the first stone when you are without sin. So why fight with violence over a belief? Let me tell you this. One the day of Yeshua's return every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess He is Lord and savior. Are Jews going to reject Him again? Or suddenly accept Him? I am not perfect but wake up people. Yeshua came specially for us
royalsteven 8 months ago
It is quite weird and hypocrite. Yeshua a Jew gets rejected by His own people. Because He told the truth? He said He was the way, the truth and the life and that you only come to the Father through Him. He told us (His disciples) to write down and spread His gospel! So guess who is really right? The only truth religions are Christianity and Messianic Judaism. Yaweh's religions. The way it´s meant to be. And then we get tortured because of the truth? Orthodox Jews learn from their God not to
royalsteven 8 months ago
Yeshua! Yeshua! Messiah of Israel, Savior of the world!
Yeshuamyhope 9 months ago
jesus is the messiah
johnnyfisalive 9 months ago
watch messianic movement on youtube
nielsqbc4 9 months ago
is it the christians fault that their being taught wrong no, but if they come to find out that alot of the things that they do believe is false then its there job to correct it and acknowledge the true belief, same with judaism , most jews dont even know why they believe certain things, is it their fault no, its the rabbinic leaders that keep their feet on israelis necks forcing them to swallow the lies they preach,real jews follow torah, tanakh and Y'shuah son of YhVH..nothing else
Emagick77 9 months ago
MESSIANIC JEWS DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS, WE BELIEVE IN Y'SHUAH. JESUS IS ONLY BEING USED SO THAT OTHERS MAY IDENTIFY WHO WE SPEAK OF, JESUS IS A WRONG INTERPRETATION OF THE NAME IT IS A GREEK NAME...CHRISTINITY IS A FORM OF JUDAISM, BUT FILLED WITH ALOT OF PAGAN RITUALS AND BELIEFS , TRUE SERVENTS OF YHVH KEEP THE SEVEN FEAST , DIETARY LAWS, AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WHICH COVERS ALL LAWS IN CONTEXTS...RABBINIS JUDAISM IS MAN MADE NON SENSE NOT TORAH..TORAH AND TANAKH ARE ONE...
Emagick77 9 months ago
Messianic Jews, as these Jews who believe in Jesus are called, number just a few in Israel — anywhere between 6,000 and 15,000 — but they provoke hatred all out of proportion to their meager numbers. Many orthodox Jews view them as traitors for joining the Christian faith, which for centuries has persecuted
amandavanwhore123 9 months ago
Fascinating
KenfromDublin 10 months ago
Note the metaphor for the children being beaten up and called 'Christians' in school - "Their children sometimes faced challenges..."
KenfromDublin 10 months ago
JESUS FULLFILLED ALL THE PROPHECIES WRITTEN IN TORAH!!! ABOUT THE COMING MESSIAH!!!
rafyraf100 10 months ago
"The Ronens are sometimes accused of being missionaries." That's because they are. I just hope Yad Le'achim gets them before they get to more Jews. These people are sick.
regbi233 10 months ago
@regbi233 Absolutely. They are stealth Christians with ties to the Southern Baptists in the USA.
Matthew1944 10 months ago
I'm so glad to see this :D
shalomfromholland 10 months ago
Yeshua is the Son of God, savior and way to God. At least they know this.
royalsteven 10 months ago
Messianics present more of a danger to the Jewish people than does the entire Arab world. Messianics should be kicked out of Israel. They're as dangerous as our cousins to the East.
regbi233 10 months ago
@regbi233 That's right. Religious intolerance is the answer -- because there just isn't enough of that in Israel. Those awful Messianic Jews want to be faithful to the God of Israel and want their fellow Jews to experience Him in a more perfect way through the Person they believe must be the Jewish Messiah. The Muslims in the Islamic world just want to spill Jewish blood because they see the children of Israel as subhuman apostates eternally accursed by Allah. Obviously the two are no different.
ElasticGiraffe 10 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe How nice that we agree. Maybe now we'll all just follow the guy we had so much fun nailing to the cross!
regbi233 10 months ago
@regbi233 Now you're just being nasty and disrespectful. "You" rejected him so that salvation would come to the gentiles.
ElasticGiraffe 10 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe You're being disrespectful by trying to wipe out my people. Yoshke was cut off from the Jewish people by the Sanhedrin. He was not only a fake but someone who wanted to hurt us. The gentiles who follow him are being fooled by people like you. "Messianics" have no place in Israel.
regbi233 10 months ago
@regbi233 Oh, sure. A Jew can turn his back on the God of Israel entirely by becoming an full-blown atheist, and he is still essentially Jewish -- but heaven forbid that Jew acknowledges Yeshua ha Mashiach. THAT is unforgivable. No, labeling other Jews race traitors simply because they believe a Messiah who comes twice, first as a suffering servant and Melchizedekian priest and then as a triumphant Davidic king, rather than in two Messiahs or a Messiah-less messianic age -- that is unacceptable.
ElasticGiraffe 10 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe I'm not about to get into a discussion with some crazy Missionary. I've been targeted by missionaries vermin a lot because I don't look like your typical orthodox Jew. You guys are really sick! Keep commenting, see if I care!
regbi233 10 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe If a Jews believes in Jesus, he becomes a Christian. The suffering servant is Israel. There are no prophecies for Jesus in the Tanakh.
Matthew1944 10 months ago
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KenfromDublin 10 months ago
@Matthew1944 Because asserting it makes it so. There are plenty of predictive prophecies about Jesus in the Tanakh. If a Jew believes in Yeshua because he believes him to be the promised Messiah, then he is being a faithful Jew. If, however, God has sent His people their Messiah to atone for their sins and they reject him, then THEY are the unfaithful Jews. Christianity was initially a denomination of Judaism, but due to Jewish rejection and persecution, Yeshua became a light unto the gentiles.
ElasticGiraffe 10 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe A Jew who believes in Jesus is a Christian of Jewish origin. The Tanakh specifically states thus: "4 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior."
Unfortunately, you do not seem to have any idea of what Jews believe and therefore you are unaware of just how different Judaism is from Christianity. There are prophecies which the FULLY HUMAN messiah must fulfil during his lifetime l to prove himself..
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 You seem to have no understanding of Messianic Judaism if you believe that passage is problematic for us. God IS our salvation. He provided a sacrificial ram in our place; death passed us by thanks to the Passover lamb's blood. Yeshua was fully human. But man was created in God's image to reflect His likeness. That image, however, is marred by sin, and each person is alienated from their Creator -- but Yeshua led a flawless life faithful to Torah, the only Jew who ever has or will.
ElasticGiraffe 9 months ago
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@ElasticGiraffe He provided a sacrificial ram in our place; death passed us by thanks to the Passover lamb's blood"
That is Christian belief based on paganism. Torah states that everyone must atone for his own sins - no one else can do it for you.
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 That is what he meant when he said, "If you have seen me, then you have seen the Father." He was the perfect image -- the essence of what it means to be human. Sin erodes our humanity and impedes our calling to be perfect images of God. Abraham was not saved by the Law because he came prior to Moshe receiving the Law. No, he was saved by his faithfulness to God based on what he knew. One reason for the Law was to expose the corruption of fallen humanity, as represented by Israel.
ElasticGiraffe 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 Israel is what the world should have been, and Yeshua ha Mashiach is what Israel should have been. I already mentioned that some rabbis even proposed two messiahs, yet you will not entertain one messiah in two stages? The first advent was primarily as a humble lamb and a suffering servant, a priest of the order of Melchizedek who made atonement for the covenant people and brought spiritual peace; the second advent will be primarily as a Davidic king who will bring political peace.
ElasticGiraffe 9 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe The FULLY HUMAN messiah of Tanakh prophecy is not to be a man-god. That is pagan. Jesus had no claim to the throne of David. In Judaic texts, the term messiah was used for all kings, high priests, certain warriors, but never eschatological figures. In the Tanach, moshiach is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 so that he could show mercy to all. God has NOT abandoned even unfaithful Jews, and Christians who read their Scriptures can plainly see that isn't the case. Judaism IS different from Christianity because the former is a reactionary attempt by quarrelsome rabbis with creative imaginations to practice the biblical faith in a time when it is clearly not practicable anymore. If the latter is true Judaism, then rabbis need not improvise; they can remain faithful to the God of Israel.
ElasticGiraffe 9 months ago
@ElasticGiraffe Judaism IS different from Christianity because the former is a reactionary attempt by quarrelsome rabbis with creative imaginations to practice the biblical faith in a time when it is clearly not practicable anymore."
Pure and utter garbage. Judaism is now, except for animal sacrifice which stopped when the temple came down, just as it was. Christianity is a NEW religion based on Paul's pagan teachings of a man-god and vicarious atonement.
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 Judaism has changed and developed based on rabbinic commentary instead of the Tanakh."Pauls pagan teaching" Psalms 22 speaks of the crucifiction, Isaiah 53 of the suffering servant who would be a guilt offering for sin and bear the sins of many. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of the child to be born giving him titles only given to God. Daniel 7:13, 14 speaks of one like a son of man who is given soverign power and authority over all, who has an eternal Kingdom. These ideas are not pagan.
Yeshuamyhope 9 months ago
@Yeshuamyhope - The original Psalms 22:17 reads: "17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet." What crucifixion?
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Yeshuamyhope Isaiah 9:6? Notice that it says "a child HAS been born to us". This is an event that has just occured, not an event in the future. A future event would say a child will be born to us, but this is NOT what the verse says. Since the birth happend in Ahaz's day, it could not refer to Jesus, who was born many hundreds of years later.
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Yeshuamyhope 14 speaks of one like a son of man who is given soverign power and authority over all, who has an eternal Kingdom. These ideas are not pagan."
Absolutely but the idea of a man-god, vicarious atonement and the sacrifice of a human being ARE.
Matthew1944 9 months ago
@Matthew1944 As far as the atonement and sacrifice of Messiah you are ignoring Isaiah 53, Psalm 22. As far as Theoanthropas(GOD MAN)-one like a son of man who has an eternal kingdom who has glory and power where people from all nations SERVES him, this is exaclty a God man, so ignore this if you would like-Daniel 7:13, 14 and also Psalm 110 speaks of the Lord at the right hand and describes how the Lord at the right hand is judge over the kings of the earth.
Yeshuamyhope 5 months ago
@Yeshuamyhope None of the Jewish bible, the Tanakh, on which your interpolated, edited OT is loosely based, has anything to say about Jesus or any man-god. Your story is pagan to the core.
Matthew1944 5 months ago
@Matthew1944 your guilt be on your own head! I am free and justified in Messiah.
Yeshuamyhope 4 months ago
@Yeshuamyhope Bull poop, yesh. I have nothing to feel guilty about and your statement is an empty threat. You believe you are free and justified, and you are certainly welcome to believe whatever you want, even if it's a pagan man-god story.
Matthew1944 4 months ago