Young Mr. Lincoln, 1939, by John Ford

[cjk4christ]

Does anyone know where I can find the music from this film. There is some beautifully composed music in this movie. I'd appreciate any help in finding this music for download.

[grabit1]

@cjk4christ I don't know where to find it independently, but if you know where to look up Randy Newman, or his friends, ask them--his uncle Alfred composed this. And the USPS has a stamp to him, even if they won't deliver on Saturdays much longer.

[BGDD27]

its kind of weird. back then abe had barely a year in school and he became president. now you need a diploma to become a garbage man.

[bookkeeper57]

@BGDD27  Lincoln had very little formal schooling, but he was a self taught guy, who read every book he could get his hands on, walking or riding miles to borrow a book. He became Will Hearndon's law partner to access the family library, and hung out at the Todd home in Lexington to take advantage of his father in law's library. Mary Todd was not the only attraction. Anne Rutledge was the first love of his life. Don't know if she rejected him, or died before he could propose.

[melshorse]

@bookkeeper57 There is still no definitive proof about Anne Rutledge- Abe Lincoln. Keep in mind much of this came to light after his death by his good friends to help a grieving nation. Carl Sandburg and Gore Vidal do not give much support for Anne Rutledge being part of Lincoln's life, or if she even existed.

[neckronn99]

@melshorse No, Anne Rutledge was a real person, and every historian I've heard agrees that Lincoln had thing for her when she died suddenly of a fever. How serious he was about her can be debated, but apparently at the time his friends were seriously concerned about how depressed Lincoln got.

[melshorse]

@neckronn99 Yes, some historians fervently believe the loving relationship betwwwn Abe and Anne did exist. While I side with other historians who are not convinced due to very sketchy evidence. I focus on the lack of concrete knowledge from that time period. Remember when Henry Ford provided funds to restore New Salem early in the last century, very little of the settlement was left. Even the supposed Rutledge grave is not definitive.

[grabit1]

"I wonder if I coulda tipped your way just a little."

[grabit1]

I've loved John Ford all of my life. But for too long I thought of this film as just a populist jokey movie.

I now consider it one of Ford's, and our, masterpieces. Red hair and all.

[rossharmonics]

I also have come to love this among Ford's best. Ford at his best is quite subtle and the more you see his best films, the more you see in them.

[grabit1]

@rossharmonics You got it, dude. And it took me 30 years of loving John Ford movies to find out about this one.

Kinda like when you finally build the sidewalk and driveway over the vegetable patch so you can park the car and walk up.

[rossharmonics]

@grabit1 It's interesting to hear Ford's own comments on what films of his he likes and ones he didn't like. Critics often don't take Ford seriously when he makes those comments. Though he is cantakerous, he is generally poking fun at the know-it-all attitude of critics. I plan to write a piece on the relationship to My Darling Clementine (which he didn't like!) and The Sun Shines Bright (which he said came closest to what he wanted to achieve).

[rossharmonics]

@grabit1 Continuing...Winston Miller did not write the funeral scene for Chihuaha in My Darling Clementine. He claimed Ford admitted that it would just look like the funeral of a whore. But Ford used the scene in The Sun Shines Bright. I believe one of My Darling Clementine's main themes is the prejudice against Chihuaha and Clementine is the society's false ideal. Without the funeral that theme is blurred...however, it's still there but it takes a number of viewings to get.

[sennahj]

"Now that you've called me by name"

"People scare easier when there dying"

"How can you trust a man who wears both belt and suspenders. Man can't even trust his own pants."

"My weapons might seem simpel to you mister Morton, but they can still shoot holes big enough fot our little problem."

[bill78golf]

This sound track of Ann Rutledge Theme is a beautiful sound that John Ford used in this scene. Credit goes to Alfred Newman who wrote this melody. This music was used in Belle Star & The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. The sound is almost as good as Tara's Theme in Gone With The Wind. This music used has been hiding back in MGM some where. There is a new Young Abe Lincoln coming out in 2010. Wonder if John Williams will use this theme or create his own style.

[TheBestGuitarSoloEVR]

Wow, no one cares.

[grabit1]

@TheBestGuitarSoloEVR

But they do. And maybe you should, too. But I won't tell you whether to care. That's your choice, and your misfortune if you choose not to.

[grabit1]

@TheBestGuitarSoloEVR Watch it.  Then you will care.

[grabit1]

@bill78golf I think Alfred Newman and Max Steiner had more lunches together than they'd like us to know. In the end, both geniuses and very much in sync about what a movie score was and should be. They both deserve the US Postal Service stamps they inhabit..

They won't let me post more (and that's probably best), so we'll leave it at Newman and Steiner. Not a bad corner to stop at.

[rossharmonics]

@grabit1 Tag Gallagher doesn't seem to like Steiner. I like Gallagher's book on Ford for the most part but sometimes his opinions are very off base. I love Steiner and think he understands his films intimately.

[silentgreybox]

This movie brings tears to my eyes.  Simply amazing.

[pazman77]

John Ford = greatest auteur of all-time!

[grabit1]

Yup.

[grabit1]

This scene is emperical evidence that John Ford was the single greatest genius to ever make films in America.

And maybe everywhere else. There's a reason Kurosawa often wore an eyepatch on his sets.  But, "everywhere else" is still a hard argument to make. But I think it possible.

And Ford was really just getting started with this movie. The Poet Laurette of American Films.

[ND2525]

Beautiful