I wonder how many cells a human-sized intelligence might occupy. I wonder if they have tried to discover the rules of their universe, and if they imagined what kind of mind would create such rules. If such worlds *could* exist, in precisely what way are they less real than our own?
@Sh33un But it can be calculated. I think our disagreement is based on having different ideas of what "determined" means, could you please tell me your idea of "determined"?
@PleasedToBeHere1 When you can calculate the future state of a system with 100% certainty - that's determinism. In the real world only probability of a certain state can be calculated. Note: we have all the data we need. Have you heard of uncertainty principle? That's what it's actually like.
That is not faster than light travel... The machine requires that a spaceship arrive on cue, and a spaceship arriving at any other time would break it.
Thus, you aren't transmitting information, since the same exact pattern of spaceship arrival is already known / produced by the stargate itself before they arrive...
That's like saying a game of life board with one thing that eats ships on the left and another that generates them on the right is traveling 150 squares/sec ZOMG. No.
I fell asleep after reading Stephen Hawkins The Grand Design and had a dream about the game of life.Its crazy how a game can mimic our existence. So are we mimicking another system?
Great, I'm right now reading Dennet's book "Freedom Evolves". He's using this model of Conway's Game of Life to help ilustrate how from basic physics a new level of desing can arise. According to him this would be analogous to the biological level in this real life, I find this persuasive, and fun lol I'm going to try this game :)
awesome! Saw a lot of huge constructions that I had never seen before in this video! Cordonships seem neat, and that thing that showed prime numbers... how the HELL did anyone figure that out
@bommobiel That's what it is used for, to show that with only a few basic rules you can make a world with seemingly many laws, a drive behind finding a theory of everything, although it's doubtful it will ever be found. Perhaps M-theory.
@outslider1 I'm not convinced by the demonstration. These spaceships don't fly at the speed of light, but half of it. You can see it clearly at 4:09 - 4:22, they move only one square every two steps. It's sad that we don't see what happens when no spaceship enters the gate...
Anyway, when the spaceship leaves the gate, I bet that its average speed is still below the speed of light. There is no way to carry information faster than the light (since by definition, it is the max speed for info).
@boumbh I agree. While in the video a spaceship would appear to emerge further ahead of where it could be going at the speed of light after a it's three way glider collisions, it technically isn't the same space ship so it doesn't travel faster than the speed of light
@VicTheMouth The same spaceship is technically not even possible once since there is only excistance of turned on or of cells on interval timing. Therefor there is no continuation at all if you take it very strict.
@zandermanandcassymom A program. Basically what it does is that the user will submit a pattern of live and dead cell to an already existing environment of dead cells. Then, once the programs starts it will basically do exactly what you just saw on its own....
Incredible video. It's just too bad it had to end on this 'faster than the speed of light' thing. Cause really, isn't it just a kind of happy coincidence? (please forgive the irony in this!)
actually i had problems simulating on on matlab!!, guess the initial state is very important.. my random Gaussian population reach a stead state in 3 to 4 loops!! i wonder if i did something else wrong!!!
@kaimarohero this game is about "cellular automata," which basically describes how something complex can arise from a very simple starting point and a few simple rules. This is a basic simulation of the function of DNA.
If you pause the video at 2:28, is there a name for the pattern onscreen near the center with the blinker fuse, as well as some of the other patterns?
@rhinonose Humans did not evolve from monkeys. We didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
@SpiderLordTyrannicus loads of cross breeding might have happened, its untold in any discovery channel or book that there is a possibility of a stronger species being cross of two, in fact thats the whole point of the genetic mix ups & reactions that have been happening!!!
When the rules are the most simple the most complexity can happen. How does this amaze anyone. If you weren't idiots, you'd be impressed at how complicated paterns can be manipulated and maintained by human operators.
But no, keep arguing about religion because it's the only thing that makes your meaningless lives seem less depressing and crushing. Don't let me stop you, emo kids.
Incredible. This is how scientists can still find beauty in nature without the need of a supreme supernatural being. Order rising from chaos. This is the nature of our universe down to every micro and macro process and system. I don't understand how someone can be so afraid of this elegant explanation that they have to run and hide under an absolute religious doctrine.
I remember learning about and experimenting a bit with this thing several years ago, but I didn't know about most of these objects that have been discovered... only simple exploders, repeaters, and a gun or two.
Wonderful video neo, thanks for uploading! I never get bored of Conway's Life; there is always something new to think about every time I revisit the idea. Your upload gives a nice flavour of the richness that can be generated in a life world.
FOr me this video is an enlightnening religious experience. How out of something simple order arises. You define it a natural process? Me too, but the reason for the logic of the universe is because of some entity.
But the way I see it is there cannot be a "logic" to the universe. Logic is a made invention, and I see it that our logic it made to adhere to things, and not that the things are trying to adhere to our logic.
As for the entity, it can be argued correctly that because everything has a beginning, we must too; but it can also be argued correcty that because every event has a cause, then there can be no first cause. A&~A
"An alive cell with less than 2 or more than 4 (!?) alive neigbours dies" - I think this is incorrect, becouse i have red the rules on different pages and it is written only more than 3 alive neigborours are required for an alive cell to die becouse of overcrowding. Plsease confirm me if I'm right as I want to write this simulation on my own. pls drop me an email: nem841425bal@freemail.hu
@bmw2go11 - Not very. It's one of the earliest pieces of software going, although with modern computers providing greater resources than the old BBC Micro, for example, we can have a larger playing-field and somewhat faster updates.
God dammit. Why are are these evolution deniers think that somehow the game of life is proof of evolution and/or an argument against your beliefs? You guys are even stupider than I thought!
@Yumminess0 im personally not an evolution denier but the game of life has been used as an example of how complex functions arise from simple rules and disprove the need for "intelligent design"
@Crazygamer6 it proves that from simple simple simple rules you get extremely complex behavior... much like real life... everything that's happened from the beginning of the universe... is just this... one big chain reaction.. with simple rules creating complexity... read stephen wolfram's a new kind of science... amazing book
Great game, although I would like to see ways of containing systems. Real complexity came, when self replicating structures shelled themselves from the environment, only letting some molecules in...
Great video! I implemented the game in Java and fiddled with it for a while, altering the rules. I've seen many of the forms you mention rise from randomly generated chaos but some are new to me... and they look just phenomenal. I'll have to make it possible to draw initial states.
@liadon666 Its the convention of the game. for nearly 2 decades there were only a few really "complex" structures known, and recently there has been a whole line of investigation around complexity theory - largely in response to intelligent design.
Conway definitely didn't set out to disprove creationism or prove evolution, but this is a VERY strong argument against the proponents of intelligent design.
The stargate doesn't actually make the LWSS travel faster than c: it's an illusion. What it does is to create the front of a spaceship, then put the back on it if it detects the front of the original spaceship.
this is great. what is it? is it some form of artificial intelect? some of the patterns look like they are not random, but evolving and moving with a mind of their own
i just got this project in my mind but i don't know how to do ui yet :D but the system itself is esey... how did you figgure out this complexity... awesome!
I feel but brainwashed but Oh lord do I believe? Who's my next leader? I want it all, the books, the rules, the opression. Give it to me science, I love you!
Whoa! Couldn't you make a program that measures the distance between the prime-number spaceships (or just uses the game as an algorithm) to find the next prime number? It would be MUCH faster than the trial-and-error testing that computers do in order to find huge prime numbers.
Actually, the prime number tests today are probabilistic, not trial and error. The probability of the test going wrong is lesser than the chance of a hardware error, so it's OK.
And in any case, even checking every number lesser than the number which is being tested would be more effective or as effective as simulating this configuration. Notice how it takes the same amount of time to test every number, and so the gap between two prime numbers would keep increasing.
Technically it could given a large enough space, however that is a poor analogy for evolution because evolution is guided by requirements for the environment (ie. it suits the problems provided). Here, you have no requirement for Windows inside the game of life - there is no benefit to it. So yes, it could create it, but there is no environmental pressure to create it.
I'm not sure why you used that example, because it doesn't apply to evolution either.
Although I'm an atheist, this is no demonstration of complexity coming from basic rules. All of the complexities are based on the initial conditions (the setting of which grids are alive).
First, it doesn't matter what your religion is. Second, it certainly is because the limits of functions from this "turing machine" have not yet been reached. Third, the complexities of life in our world are based on initial conditions too.
Notice that most of the complex structures are actually discovered rather than designed, so humans do the part of the selection, and the fitness criteria is "how interesting a pattern is"
Actually... If you think about this program - It was CREATED by someone and then given a SET OF RULES... Kind of like how life was created and then given a set of rules. Dontcha think?
To be honest with you, I'm completely fascinated by this program and others like it, but in no way does it convince me of natural selection. The program is just doing what it's told...
All that means is you don't understand the program. We did not tell the program to generate prime-spaced shapes - that was EMERGENT behavior from the SURVIVAL of cells. Just like Gliders. The game wasn't designed to produce gliders, they are emergent (unexpected).
So technically this game could, in theory, evolve so much that it could spit out a Windows program complete with user interface and color theme? - Just based on what simple instructions it's been given?
No. The game is actually rather limited in what it can produce. Like the video states, it is based on an incredibly simple rule set which is not at all like life. The patterns it does produce, however, show that simple math can create something truly complex.
"in no way does it convince me of natural selection."
Sorry? The deer without legs is going to get eaten, bro. The deer with faster legs will much more likely survive. You can't "deny" a process that is inherently bound to happen.
Hahahaha. Comparing a program created by a ACTUAL physical person to the belief that life was created by a magical being, the existence for which we have no evidence. I really hope you're joking.
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But we DO have evidence of a Creator - it's all written in a book. I don't completely disagree with evolution - I just think that if it IS so, that we don't come from apes and that evolution is God's doing. He created life, gave it instructions and then said "go"..
"I don't completely disagree with evolution - I just think that if it IS so, that we don't come from apes"
If it IS so, we necessarily are descendants of apes. The evidence is all the same - you can't deny bits you don't like.
"and that evolution is God's doing."
I suppose I can't really argue against this, but "God" is entirely superfluous. If he did have a hand in anything he did a rather good job of producing precisely what we'd expect of natural processes.
@MandyLovesYou99 Its rather like the line from Futurama episode "Godfellas" - Where a defic entity says "If you've done your job right, nobody will be sure you've done ... anything at all."
@MandyLovesYou99 We only have those expectations of natural process by studying natural process. If the universe, or even earth turned out any other way, it would be entirely incomprehensible to anybody.
@Chuthuluku No matter how the 'natural process' played out, we would always have been able to interpret it and study it, unless it in itself denied us our existence or intelligence.
However we don't have to worry about that because clearly it hasn't turned out any other way, and such hypothetical situations are not particularly useful as they are infinite in number.
@MandyLovesYou99 the idead that we evolved from apes is a misconception we evolved from the same animal that apes evolved from but our spesise diverged and created humans
@MandyLovesYou99 Evolution does not say that we come from apes. We share a common ancestor with apes. Evolution isn't magic. We don't just miraculously change into different animals.
Maybe FTL travel is possible, or not.
PleasedToBeHere1 3 days ago
mind = blown, this is like some Fibonacci shit
SpunkySkunk347 5 days ago
I wonder how many cells a human-sized intelligence might occupy. I wonder if they have tried to discover the rules of their universe, and if they imagined what kind of mind would create such rules. If such worlds *could* exist, in precisely what way are they less real than our own?
topochicooooo 5 days ago
Simple rules -> Complex chemistry = The game of life
Antartnord 2 weeks ago
This was cool,until minecraft came...
Wowillion 1 month ago
See how existence can be indeterminate with completely determined rules? How about that, you, damn fatalists!
Sh33un 1 month ago
@Sh33un It's still determinated.
PleasedToBeHere1 3 days ago
@PleasedToBeHere1 What is still determinated? Outcome? The outcome is completely unknowable UNTIL calculated.
Sh33un 3 days ago
@Sh33un But it can be calculated. I think our disagreement is based on having different ideas of what "determined" means, could you please tell me your idea of "determined"?
PleasedToBeHere1 2 days ago
@PleasedToBeHere1 When you can calculate the future state of a system with 100% certainty - that's determinism. In the real world only probability of a certain state can be calculated. Note: we have all the data we need. Have you heard of uncertainty principle? That's what it's actually like.
Sh33un 2 days ago
@Sh33un Then Conways's Game of Life is determined.
PleasedToBeHere1 1 day ago
@PleasedToBeHere1 Ok, I see. Thanks for clarifying.
Sh33un 1 day ago
ok how can i play it?
TheWAH8 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
To date, I graphed over 310 oscillators , 107 spaceships, and some puffer trains. My chart books are a treasure !
EmmetEarwax 2 months ago
There is a typo in your rules: it is less than 2 and more than 3 to be dead, not more than 4 ;)
ra4king 3 months ago
to jest kurewsko niesamowite.
mariuszmm5 4 months ago
amazing good job, it feels its like how life begins.
wetukman 4 months ago
il love life :)
drEmue 5 months ago
Loaded this up in my Java class the other day and people got a big kick out of it. Glad to finally get the code to compile and run properly!
alwayson09 5 months ago
nice choice of music :)
Petee92HTID 6 months ago
Thank you for getting people interested.
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I want this as my wallpaper background.
GildedAlien 7 months ago
That is not faster than light travel... The machine requires that a spaceship arrive on cue, and a spaceship arriving at any other time would break it.
Thus, you aren't transmitting information, since the same exact pattern of spaceship arrival is already known / produced by the stargate itself before they arrive...
That's like saying a game of life board with one thing that eats ships on the left and another that generates them on the right is traveling 150 squares/sec ZOMG. No.
mysticdaisy 7 months ago
And I thought I had a hard life...
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@ReapersHQ ASCII for the binary code soja189 typed.
taichingkan 2 days ago
@ReapersHQ In other words, I decoded it using ASCII.
taichingkan 2 days ago
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taichingkan 3 days ago
I learned about the Game of Life by reading Martin Nowak's book Supercooperators. Excellent complement.
SenniTiger 8 months ago
where can I download this game for my PC???????
carlkanificador 9 months ago
@carlkanificador Search for 'LifeLab', I downloaded it that way,and you can change the rules for the game
Infocollective22 8 months ago
I fell asleep after reading Stephen Hawkins The Grand Design and had a dream about the game of life.Its crazy how a game can mimic our existence. So are we mimicking another system?
marcuelcajon 9 months ago
omg looks like laboratory of living bacterias
norchaaa 9 months ago
Great, I'm right now reading Dennet's book "Freedom Evolves". He's using this model of Conway's Game of Life to help ilustrate how from basic physics a new level of desing can arise. According to him this would be analogous to the biological level in this real life, I find this persuasive, and fun lol I'm going to try this game :)
menonfire12 9 months ago
awesome! Saw a lot of huge constructions that I had never seen before in this video! Cordonships seem neat, and that thing that showed prime numbers... how the HELL did anyone figure that out
zevex747 9 months ago
What did you use to create these patterns?
VicTheMouth 9 months ago
I found out a way to easily make a pulsar:
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where x is black
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mrBorkD 9 months ago 3
@mrBorkD good find
VicTheMouth 9 months ago
The thing that amazes me most about the game of life is that which such simple rules, amazing structures can be formed.
Wouldnt that be true in our universe?
bommobiel 10 months ago
@bommobiel That's what it is used for, to show that with only a few basic rules you can make a world with seemingly many laws, a drive behind finding a theory of everything, although it's doubtful it will ever be found. Perhaps M-theory.
BlackSunSerenade 9 months ago
I didn't understand the stargate. I understand the idea, it's obvious, but I can't see it.
outslider1 10 months ago
@outslider1 I'm not convinced by the demonstration. These spaceships don't fly at the speed of light, but half of it. You can see it clearly at 4:09 - 4:22, they move only one square every two steps. It's sad that we don't see what happens when no spaceship enters the gate...
Anyway, when the spaceship leaves the gate, I bet that its average speed is still below the speed of light. There is no way to carry information faster than the light (since by definition, it is the max speed for info).
boumbh 9 months ago
@boumbh I agree. While in the video a spaceship would appear to emerge further ahead of where it could be going at the speed of light after a it's three way glider collisions, it technically isn't the same space ship so it doesn't travel faster than the speed of light
VicTheMouth 9 months ago
@VicTheMouth The same spaceship is technically not even possible once since there is only excistance of turned on or of cells on interval timing. Therefor there is no continuation at all if you take it very strict.
Mazow87 8 months ago
@Mazow87 I see what you mean
VicTheMouth 8 months ago
I programmed one of these !
xkingwoodx 11 months ago
Its beautiful! Im building one as we speak, almost done!
lochness1202 11 months ago
@lochness1202 Building what?
zandermanandcassymom 11 months ago
@zandermanandcassymom A program. Basically what it does is that the user will submit a pattern of live and dead cell to an already existing environment of dead cells. Then, once the programs starts it will basically do exactly what you just saw on its own....
lochness1202 10 months ago
W I N ! ! !
ROFLStudiosInc 11 months ago
14 "people" were found to be inexistent of reality...
UnScriptedFlix 11 months ago
nice music, this is awesome!
SirSpamalot49 11 months ago
Incredible video. It's just too bad it had to end on this 'faster than the speed of light' thing. Cause really, isn't it just a kind of happy coincidence? (please forgive the irony in this!)
Ibucrthis 1 year ago
actually i had problems simulating on on matlab!!, guess the initial state is very important.. my random Gaussian population reach a stead state in 3 to 4 loops!! i wonder if i did something else wrong!!!
pmontu 1 year ago
what is the order in which updates take place? alive to dead first over which dead to alive????????????
pmontu 1 year ago
@pmontu they occur simultaneously, silly!!
zandermanandcassymom 1 year ago
wait... i dont get it..
tAiKaMiEs22 1 year ago
So a threesome must occur in order for a dead cell to be live? lol?
banditthetheif 1 year ago 58
@banditthetheif Yep, it's the version of reality they don't tell you in school.
VicTheMouth 9 months ago
@banditthetheif As in real-life.
marcelinhovr 9 months ago
@banditthetheif Well SOMEONE needs to film.
hagamablabla 6 months ago
The glider guns have always reminded me of particle accelerators for some reason.
TipaaFTW 1 year ago
1 - any live cell with less then 2 neighbors dies as if by underpopulation
2 - any cell with more then 3 neighbors die as if by overpopulation
3- any dead cell with 3 neighbors becomes live as if by reproduction
4 - any cell with 2 or 3 neighbors lives on to the next generation
Insomnimanic805 1 year ago
@Insomnimanic805 wow!!
pmontu 1 year ago
Graphics suck, noob game.
calum341 1 year ago 4
Is this game about the matter and antimatter? If it is, Isn't this a simulation game, after that circle in CERN?
kaimarohero 1 year ago
@kaimarohero this game is about "cellular automata," which basically describes how something complex can arise from a very simple starting point and a few simple rules. This is a basic simulation of the function of DNA.
jag9998 1 year ago
If you pause the video at 2:28, is there a name for the pattern onscreen near the center with the blinker fuse, as well as some of the other patterns?
zandermanandcassymom 1 year ago
looks more like exploding bombs....
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
that game is insainly cool.
MajoraProject 1 year ago
We have a common ancestor with apes and chimpanzees, but we did not evolve from them.
SpiderLordTyrannicus 1 year ago
@SpiderLordTyrannicus explain
rhinonose 1 year ago
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SpiderLordTyrannicus 1 year ago
@rhinonose Humans did not evolve from monkeys. We didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
SpiderLordTyrannicus 1 year ago
@SpiderLordTyrannicus Finally! Someone who knows how evolution works!
k0namiman 1 year ago
@SpiderLordTyrannicus loads of cross breeding might have happened, its untold in any discovery channel or book that there is a possibility of a stronger species being cross of two, in fact thats the whole point of the genetic mix ups & reactions that have been happening!!!
pmontu 1 year ago
When the rules are the most simple the most complexity can happen. How does this amaze anyone. If you weren't idiots, you'd be impressed at how complicated paterns can be manipulated and maintained by human operators.
But no, keep arguing about religion because it's the only thing that makes your meaningless lives seem less depressing and crushing. Don't let me stop you, emo kids.
TheLifePerfect 1 year ago
Life is beautiful.
purplespottedbunny 1 year ago
Incredible. This is how scientists can still find beauty in nature without the need of a supreme supernatural being. Order rising from chaos. This is the nature of our universe down to every micro and macro process and system. I don't understand how someone can be so afraid of this elegant explanation that they have to run and hide under an absolute religious doctrine.
It truly boggles my mind.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
i extended the game of life, adding genotypes, random mutations, etc
i also changed the rules, and added a second species with its own independent ruleset.
One example is below
/watch?v=iS_LCsaFRDs
1RothMan 1 year ago 21
Amazing neotropic9, the presentation and the game together explain the concepts to the best compared to other examples
pmontu 1 year ago
Wow this is really aweome!
I remember learning about and experimenting a bit with this thing several years ago, but I didn't know about most of these objects that have been discovered... only simple exploders, repeaters, and a gun or two.
MsHojat 1 year ago
@MsHojat it's oscillators, not repeaters!!
zandermanandcassymom 1 year ago
Wonderful video neo, thanks for uploading! I never get bored of Conway's Life; there is always something new to think about every time I revisit the idea. Your upload gives a nice flavour of the richness that can be generated in a life world.
tomlisawalton 1 year ago
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GreatOrange 1 year ago
Really nice presentation mate, congrats ! :)
Bitsiko 1 year ago
FOr me this video is an enlightnening religious experience. How out of something simple order arises. You define it a natural process? Me too, but the reason for the logic of the universe is because of some entity.
Look around, order arises out of everything.
RocketScience92 1 year ago
@RocketScience92
"but the reason for the logic of the universe"
But the way I see it is there cannot be a "logic" to the universe. Logic is a made invention, and I see it that our logic it made to adhere to things, and not that the things are trying to adhere to our logic.
As for the entity, it can be argued correctly that because everything has a beginning, we must too; but it can also be argued correcty that because every event has a cause, then there can be no first cause. A&~A
TwistedLemniscate 1 year ago
"An alive cell with less than 2 or more than 4 (!?) alive neigbours dies" - I think this is incorrect, becouse i have red the rules on different pages and it is written only more than 3 alive neigborours are required for an alive cell to die becouse of overcrowding. Plsease confirm me if I'm right as I want to write this simulation on my own. pls drop me an email: nem841425bal@freemail.hu
B41425 1 year ago
great stuff and great music :D
elPatrixf 1 year ago
I made a Starcraft 2 map of the Game of Life :) Check it the demo vid at my channel.
TehNetherlands 1 year ago
thats a great video
chad0x001 1 year ago
This involve chaos theory in anyway?
Arthreas 1 year ago
look at 2:22
andrewkatz1 1 year ago
2:22
andrewkatz1 1 year ago
Pause 1:58 is it me or those 4 dots close to the center look like a face....?
AtTaCkOfThErEtArDs17 1 year ago
@AtTaCkOfThErEtArDs17 - It's Jeeeebus !!!!
RoadRunnerLaser 1 year ago
I have written a very easy tutorial on how life works for anyone interested. Go to GENJIX dot NET and click on life in the sidebar. cya
lumaix 1 year ago
Someone Please Explain me what this is?
JoshMmzPa 1 year ago
Cool video - I just posted it as a supplemental material for my intro on Game of Life simulations for the EdLab Review
maxsklar 1 year ago
It's alive!
bbsonjohn 1 year ago
wonder how cpu intensive this software is..
bmw2go11 1 year ago
@bmw2go11 - Not very. It's one of the earliest pieces of software going, although with modern computers providing greater resources than the old BBC Micro, for example, we can have a larger playing-field and somewhat faster updates.
RoadRunnerLaser 1 year ago
Excellent video.
Love the Star Gate.
Lets make one :-)
SentientMachines 1 year ago
God dammit. Why are are these evolution deniers think that somehow the game of life is proof of evolution and/or an argument against your beliefs? You guys are even stupider than I thought!
Yumminess0 1 year ago
@Yumminess0 im personally not an evolution denier but the game of life has been used as an example of how complex functions arise from simple rules and disprove the need for "intelligent design"
Tonio99 1 year ago
I don't get how this proves anything other than "Game of Life" is cool. It's just a bunch of cells... doing cool patterns.
Crazygamer6 1 year ago
@Crazygamer6 it proves that from simple simple simple rules you get extremely complex behavior... much like real life... everything that's happened from the beginning of the universe... is just this... one big chain reaction.. with simple rules creating complexity... read stephen wolfram's a new kind of science... amazing book
pinkfloyddwc 1 year ago
Can anyone get an animation of the recently discovered self-replicating creature?
oldhatrs25 1 year ago
Great game, although I would like to see ways of containing systems. Real complexity came, when self replicating structures shelled themselves from the environment, only letting some molecules in...
HKragh 1 year ago
Great video! I implemented the game in Java and fiddled with it for a while, altering the rules. I've seen many of the forms you mention rise from randomly generated chaos but some are new to me... and they look just phenomenal. I'll have to make it possible to draw initial states.
Thanks for inspiration!
Monastor 1 year ago
I won't call those things " space ships and guns "...those are much more likely to be similar to proteins and pieces of RNA / DNA ....IMHO......
liadon666 1 year ago
@liadon666 Its the convention of the game. for nearly 2 decades there were only a few really "complex" structures known, and recently there has been a whole line of investigation around complexity theory - largely in response to intelligent design.
Conway definitely didn't set out to disprove creationism or prove evolution, but this is a VERY strong argument against the proponents of intelligent design.
proadmin1 1 year ago
kinda like langton´s ant...but this is much more interesting and dynamic.
jupiterztear 1 year ago
The stargate doesn't actually make the LWSS travel faster than c: it's an illusion. What it does is to create the front of a spaceship, then put the back on it if it detects the front of the original spaceship.
PhantomHoover 1 year ago
3:18
What did that mean "The spaceships are spaced out by primenumbers"?
DerAhlke9877 1 year ago
@DerAhlke9877
The number of ships was in a sequence , the same as the sequence of prime numbers; 2, 3, 5, 7, 11....
entropyfoe 1 year ago
I love the stargate... makes me wonder if humans might be able to build something like that that would work in our universe somewhere in the future.
doom032 1 year ago
this is great. what is it? is it some form of artificial intelect? some of the patterns look like they are not random, but evolving and moving with a mind of their own
markash1971 1 year ago
@markash1971 - No, it's just an automata. Each cell does something based on what its neighbors are doing, and then math occurs.
cyborgtroy 1 year ago
evolution _ groups are cities while gliders are planes
divandria 1 year ago
amazing explanation of the game. first time seeing the game in action.
bin1127 2 years ago
That was intense
fukumom100 2 years ago
ammazing and esey to code!
i just got this project in my mind but i don't know how to do ui yet :D but the system itself is esey... how did you figgure out this complexity... awesome!
FalcoGer 2 years ago
What is the name of that amazing music? Please!
andreluizop 2 years ago
i hav no idea wot ur all tlkin bout
mrchaz18 2 years ago
our reality spawned from one thing.... set with a certain amount of rules... that's why believe there's only one "God"..
larry89 2 years ago
Our universe at work.
Rather beautiful when you think about it.
stutwostep 2 years ago 20
Yes, it really is beautiful like a blossoming flower coming to life in the day time. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I JUST WROTE!!!
FailRuneScape 2 years ago
@stutwostep true! this game might be proof of how things move about or how movement evolved, rather a pattern of life and death...
pmontu 1 year ago
It's crazy the patterns people make in this thing, but mostly I just scribble or draw pictures and see what happens.
Rachman1337 2 years ago
@Rachman1337
People don't make the patterns, they are already there, that's what's so crazy.
OohSoEpic 1 year ago
@OohSoEpic
Well yeah, but then there's people who make glider guns and prime number shooters.
Rachman1337 1 year ago
wow math d o t com really?
JacSPierce 2 years ago
What song is this its awesome!
589216001 2 years ago
what software are you using to run these simulations/
epicproblem 2 years ago
I feel but brainwashed but Oh lord do I believe? Who's my next leader? I want it all, the books, the rules, the opression. Give it to me science, I love you!
LogInAnders 2 years ago
Whoa! Couldn't you make a program that measures the distance between the prime-number spaceships (or just uses the game as an algorithm) to find the next prime number? It would be MUCH faster than the trial-and-error testing that computers do in order to find huge prime numbers.
jazzkingrt 2 years ago 3
Actually, the prime number tests today are probabilistic, not trial and error. The probability of the test going wrong is lesser than the chance of a hardware error, so it's OK.
And in any case, even checking every number lesser than the number which is being tested would be more effective or as effective as simulating this configuration. Notice how it takes the same amount of time to test every number, and so the gap between two prime numbers would keep increasing.
I can go on but word limi-
Omikron9861 2 years ago
Where can you play this game!???
SOMEONE ANSWER PLZZZ!! :D
589216001 2 years ago
@589216001
bitstorm(dot)org/gameoflife/
OohSoEpic 1 year ago
@Rob Gatzke
technically, Life could "spit out a Windows program," although you'd probably need some help reading it.
Life is turing-complete.
walkeraq 2 years ago 2
Technically it could given a large enough space, however that is a poor analogy for evolution because evolution is guided by requirements for the environment (ie. it suits the problems provided). Here, you have no requirement for Windows inside the game of life - there is no benefit to it. So yes, it could create it, but there is no environmental pressure to create it.
I'm not sure why you used that example, because it doesn't apply to evolution either.
Stroggoth 2 years ago
Although I'm an atheist, this is no demonstration of complexity coming from basic rules. All of the complexities are based on the initial conditions (the setting of which grids are alive).
rg11389 2 years ago
First, it doesn't matter what your religion is. Second, it certainly is because the limits of functions from this "turing machine" have not yet been reached. Third, the complexities of life in our world are based on initial conditions too.
Stroggoth 2 years ago
To be honest with you, I'm completely fascinated by this program and others like it, but in no way does it convince me of the existence of Belgium..
TannyHarding 2 years ago 3
i think u forgot the overcrowding rule
jazz0900 2 years ago
that song sounds familiar, is it Vibrasphere?
javelinman7 2 years ago
great vid!
nathanel1313 2 years ago
Notice that most of the complex structures are actually discovered rather than designed, so humans do the part of the selection, and the fitness criteria is "how interesting a pattern is"
orcodrilo 2 years ago 30
Actually... If you think about this program - It was CREATED by someone and then given a SET OF RULES... Kind of like how life was created and then given a set of rules. Dontcha think?
RobGatzke 2 years ago
To be honest with you, I'm completely fascinated by this program and others like it, but in no way does it convince me of natural selection. The program is just doing what it's told...
RobGatzke 2 years ago
All that means is you don't understand the program. We did not tell the program to generate prime-spaced shapes - that was EMERGENT behavior from the SURVIVAL of cells. Just like Gliders. The game wasn't designed to produce gliders, they are emergent (unexpected).
Stroggoth 2 years ago
So technically this game could, in theory, evolve so much that it could spit out a Windows program complete with user interface and color theme? - Just based on what simple instructions it's been given?
RobGatzke 2 years ago
@RobGatzke
No. The game is actually rather limited in what it can produce. Like the video states, it is based on an incredibly simple rule set which is not at all like life. The patterns it does produce, however, show that simple math can create something truly complex.
MolotovCat 2 years ago
"in no way does it convince me of natural selection."
Sorry? The deer without legs is going to get eaten, bro. The deer with faster legs will much more likely survive. You can't "deny" a process that is inherently bound to happen.
MandyLovesYou99 2 years ago 3
Hahahaha. Comparing a program created by a ACTUAL physical person to the belief that life was created by a magical being, the existence for which we have no evidence. I really hope you're joking.
jackaltraceur 2 years ago 2
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But we DO have evidence of a Creator - it's all written in a book. I don't completely disagree with evolution - I just think that if it IS so, that we don't come from apes and that evolution is God's doing. He created life, gave it instructions and then said "go"..
RobGatzke 2 years ago
"I don't completely disagree with evolution - I just think that if it IS so, that we don't come from apes"
If it IS so, we necessarily are descendants of apes. The evidence is all the same - you can't deny bits you don't like.
"and that evolution is God's doing."
I suppose I can't really argue against this, but "God" is entirely superfluous. If he did have a hand in anything he did a rather good job of producing precisely what we'd expect of natural processes.
MandyLovesYou99 2 years ago 37
@MandyLovesYou99 Its rather like the line from Futurama episode "Godfellas" - Where a defic entity says "If you've done your job right, nobody will be sure you've done ... anything at all."
proadmin1 1 year ago
@MandyLovesYou99 We only have those expectations of natural process by studying natural process. If the universe, or even earth turned out any other way, it would be entirely incomprehensible to anybody.
Chuthuluku 1 year ago
@Chuthuluku No matter how the 'natural process' played out, we would always have been able to interpret it and study it, unless it in itself denied us our existence or intelligence.
However we don't have to worry about that because clearly it hasn't turned out any other way, and such hypothetical situations are not particularly useful as they are infinite in number.
jaicket 1 year ago
@MandyLovesYou99 the idead that we evolved from apes is a misconception we evolved from the same animal that apes evolved from but our spesise diverged and created humans
disesed 1 year ago
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@MandyLovesYou99 Evolution does not say that we come from apes. We share a common ancestor with apes. Evolution isn't magic. We don't just miraculously change into different animals.
GreatOrange 1 year ago
@MandyLovesYou99 No intelligent scientist ever claimed we came from apes. Apes are our cousins, not our parents.
LetsPlayAutism 1 year ago