Everyone keeps forgetting that the govt will provide subsidies to cover the cost of this health insurance for those who cannot afford it. This means for the first time in USA history truly poor people who need medical care will be able to get it for free, just like those who get Medicare, & will not be forced to go into the Emergency room for care, & then have a huge bill for it. Plus, emergency care doesn't cover long term treatments like for Cancer, so this is still a good deal for the poor.
(continued) anyone take that power and wealth away from them? Really? I hate to say it but it's over. The American people fell asleep at the job a long time ago, and now as some of us are waking up we are realizing that all the comforts and distractions came at a cost. This country was hijacked by the corporations and the elite rich, and a system was put in place to make sure no one could ever take it away from them. Sorry folks, but it's over... we lost.
If anyone thinks the insurance companies are going to let congress pass legislature that will limit or decrease their profits, they're crazy. That's right, I said "let congress". Corporations have bought our government. They send lobbyists to spend billions (with a B) to buy votes so things stay as they are. This terrible "reform" is actually as good as it's going to get. Do you really think an industry made of the wealthiest, most powerful corporations the world has ever seen is going to let a
All of these issues are as a result of our monetary system and its design. Too many of us have forgotten that we created this thing called money and we have allowed ourselves to become slaves to it. The solution is not reform. The solution is designing a whole new system. Please take a look at what the Venus Project advocates. Watch the film Zeitgeist Addendum and from there check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward. The future is in our hands and it is what we do now that will shape our future.
Its good to note that they are putting the banks first with repect to money. Always posting trillions for the banks, and a couple of billion for healthcare reform in USA. That is just shocking. I really do feel for you on this one. goldman sachs, bernstein bank these are the guys the care abt. And as u said, the american will payout of their pocket, Social security days are on their way out. I would have loved to have lived in the 50s and 60s .
@coilzard Because the game is rigged. The reform is no reform it forces people to buy crappy policies from insurance companies. How is that reform? Single Payer is the solution.
You won't have to get insurance if you don't want it. You'll just have to pay a fine if you don't, which -if you don't have a large income, won't be that much. In my opinion, thats the way it should be, cause if you are uninsured, you are a liability for the rest of society. But seriously how many people DON'T want healthcare? I want it, but I can't afford it. Thanks to Obama healthcare assistance, I will get the assistance I need to be able to afford good healthcare. ..finally.
@tneighbors but you are liability for healthy people, did you think about it. You want others to pay for you. Hows thats fare. A lot of people in your case go to other countries that offer a tit to suck on, why don't you take that and go.
@bykashka75 no, I don't think you are understand the way the reform bill works. It helps people to be able to afford to get insurance so they can be responsible for themselves. As it is now (prior to the bill going into effect), when someone is uninsured and they have to go to the hospital, if they can't pay their hospital bill, the gov (aka. tax payers) picks up the bill. Its cheaper for tax payers to help with the insurance premium than to pick up all those hospital bills in full.
@tneighbors taxpayer don't foot anything, if someone goes to the hospital and jumps bill, its hospital tax write off as not collected debt. Hospitals in America 90 percent are private institutions, and who jump bill got hunted by collection agency. Second, its violate US constitution, so i guess, you FAT HEAD , have no respect for. America was built as a limiten gov country. You don't have to be here if you can't make it. There are other contries in the World that can be more fit for you.
@bykashka75 haha. riiiight. If a hospital writes it off, who pays for it? Government (aka taxpayers). In 2004, private insurance paid for 36% of personal health expenditures, private out-of-pocket 15%, federal government 34%, state and local governments 11%. Why don't you go to bit[DOT]ly/MZwg7 and educate yourself. (replace the [DOT] with a dot. Our healthcare system's quality is ranked 37th in the world, yet we spend more per person than ANY other country. It needs reform.
@bykashka75 USA is the only 1st world country that doesn't take care of ALL its citizens. Despite the fact that not all people in America are insured, the USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses.[6] Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.[7]
@tneighbors do you read?, i just told you- America is a limited government country. it was built as such. What those politicians do is against constitution. It doesn't matter what numbers are and such, America was not built so you can suck on its tit. And i told you, that this country is not for you, so you might research some other options in the World. PS America is not 1 st in anything, it has debt of 14 T dollars. YOU ARE STUPID LIKE A ROCK
@bykashka75 initially there was NO gov? how far back shall we go? And how does this convince you that we should just let people die so you can have a tax cut? Thats what it comes down to: You care more about $ than lives. And in the case of the Obama HC bill, you would probably save money AND save lives! So who's the stupid one? Unless you make more than 300,000/yr, you will benefit from it! You will get a bigger tax return at the end of each year.
@bykashka75 I don't personally believe that it is against the constitution. That is debatable. And I can't even understand your first sentence. And you should care about the money side, because you as a tax payer are losing your ass with the old system. The new system is going to work much better. If you don't have any legitimate points to make about the bill, aside from name calling and screaming nonsensically about the Constitution and small gov, this conversation is over.
@bykashka75 Is this the system that you want to keep in place? I wish YOU would move to a different country so we could have some progress, create a more efficient system, and not have kids bleeding to death in the ER because their parents can't afford to get them health insurance.
The whole divide between Conservatives and Liberals really comes down to this question: Do you care about others or do you only care about yourself? How long till its you or your kid bleeding to death in the ER?
@tneighbors YOU ARE STUPID. No one gets turned off for any care in America, you have money, you don't have money- you get care. you just a lazy ass who doesn't want to do anything and want others to foot your bill. If everyone would be sick, so who will pay for it? Exactly, the one who will pay for it are the healthy one. Healthy pay tax, Healthy work to death, healthy die at war. And you think its your right all of the sudden to get it all free
@bykashka75 I'm perfectly healthy. And, again, you don't understand the health bill if you think its going to cost you more. I can see that I'm wasting my time. Are you 12?
@tneighbors it will cost me MORE and I don't care about money side. Its aganst constitution. Do you get though your head. People died for that piece of paper, and now you, economist, telling us what it will cost. Why don't you go and get a job
@bykashka75 It will not cost you more unless you make more than 300,000, it isn't against the constitution (in my opinion), and I have a job. If its not money you care about, what is it you care about? Making sure we don't help people in need? The constitutionality is debatable so that isn't an argument.
@tneighbors who are you to judge peoples income? why don't you show us how its done and donate 80 percent of your money. Oh, i forgot you don't have anything and you want other to foot it.
@OldSmellyCrotch I´m happy you googled it, because it was hard for me to explain it LOL:-) But now it seems like it´s the same in both of our countries it´s over the taxes we pay:-)
@OldSmellyCrotch Sorry if I dont have made my self clear here, it´s a little difficult to explain, so please google Health care in Denmark. I hope you get more correct information by doing this:-) But thanks for your replies:-)
@OldSmellyCrotch In Denmark the health care is on the state budget, and then the municipality is given an amount of money to run the hospitals and pay the doctors and so on:-) But when it´s private hospitals you pay for services, and the doctors salary. I hope this is an OK answer, if not you can google health care in Denmark:-)
Isn't it just too damn obvious that the plan takes effect when Obama is on the way out. Why could it of not started this year or at least by 2011? Obama will never get reelected and he and they know it. The timing of this scam is a scam in and of itself!!
Oh wow my first response. How are you? Go down a bit to Baker98745 - 3 months ago where you say "yes I am paranoid and I have got 20 guns" - sorry I'm new or maybe I am just having a senior moment - just assumed that you were planning to dig a trench and fight it out which is why you need 20 guns - us Brits think that all Americans have their homes stuffed with guns - we see it in the movies. Love you.
The American plutocracy has been hell-bent on dismantling the public programs put in place through popular struggle for decades now - it's no surprise that they would do it under the guise of "reform", that's always what the privatizers say all around the world, "reform" and then they procede to take over everything and destroy any gains made by the people.
This guy appears paranoid. Is he at his house? Its like a bunker in the woods or something. You know he has like 20 guns.
Seriously though, are you equally pissed that if you buy a car that the government mandates you buy car insurance ? Because the reason for required health insurance, is so if you get in a terrible accident and you rack up 50 grand in medical costs, the rest of us dont have to pay for your health care.
@baker98745 Yes I'm paranoid and living in a bunker. I have 20 guns etc... Sure I'm mad that we are required to buy insurance. The difference should be obvious. In every market there are choices and competition in the auto insurance market which keeps prices down, that is not so for health insurance. Additionally if I smash my car the insurance fixes it. There is NO mandate for care delivery in the health insurance industry. People can decide my care is too expensive and not cover it.
You hit it on the head in alot of ways in this video. However, I think the real agenda behind this travesty of a bill is to hold the large companies and corperations who have hijacked our economy, hostage to our well being. Thats because our government knows that were not going to have fucking jobs to take care of it ourselves soon. Rather than protect us from modern day slavers, our govt. has charged these thieves to "some" of our healthcare cost and the rest to us.
4:33-5:03 was golden. We need to look at the bigger picture or as you said in another video, the agenda. We have let our private citizens go to other places and other populations and not improve their quality of life by more than a pitance rather than just pocketing the difference. In return we cannot create new jobs because the people who are now working our old jobs are void from our system.
You can only control the price, the cost is what it is outside of forced labor. Insurance companies on average have a 3-5% profit margin. The only way the insurance companies can sustain while being forced to cover everything at a "controlled cost," again it can only be price outside of forced labor aka exploitation aka slavery, is TO PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF EVERYONE ELSE, aka forced labor, aka exploitation, aka slavery.
@Vlaxitov When you live in an inequitable society with undeniable social stratification the notion of re-distributive justice applies. It is the super wealthy, and "super" is apt, and their faceless corporations that can be made to subsidise universal healthcare. It is not necessary to tax workers more; although they'll need to defend themselves against indirect shifting of that cost through lower wages and higher cost of living...
When you get hung up on the notion of "justice" you forfiet any "fairness" there is to be had. So your "notion" is that everyone be subject to the justice wether or not they have commited the crime. Coorperations aren't always owned by the super wealthy rather than little pieces of it owned by the common man, thats why its a coorperation. So what you would be suggesting is to take bread from one common man to feed another in many cases. Justice without fairness, just like europe.
I will say this tenebroust, I'm curious about the details of the price and coverage of a single payer in this new mandated buy-in system. I'm feeling less then confident that it will fit my budget range. Moreover, I'd like to know how they are going to enforce non-compliance. I hope I don't show up back on your site a year from now with vodka at hand and a screaming ulcer...
I think you're spot on with your prediction of how the insurance companies and corporate interests are going to handle the new rules (I share your rage.) Lets just hope the elite one percent of our population can grow a conscience, not piece and sell our nation out for cents on the dollar and run to their private islands in the tropics. Having said that, the nation has to start somwhere. The bill is not perfect, but nobody yet knows what perfect looks like, only what "screwed" feels like.
Nice work on the video tenebroust. Love the intensity! I have to agree with truthnothinmore and BradLauber though, signing into law protections against insurance companies denying a client based on pre-existing conditions would defeat the purpose of insurance, which is to spread out the damage. Bringing down the actual cost of insurance demands a revision of policy. Who then do you trust more to handle healthcare, the corporations or government? That's the real pickle...
Whites make up 90% of the middle & upper middle class. These are the people that will be most negatively affected by this HC bill.
Next down the pike, amnesty.
Obama is going to reward 12 million illegals, 98% entirely from mexico, with a path to citizenship. These Mexicans are adamant about taking over America by shear number and Obama knows it.
Why do you think he said once we better all learn to speak Spanish. It was in his agenda already.
6.--->of health services like the elderly. If you were a policy maker you'd see two goals here triumphantly accomplished in one fell swoop, yes, you reduce the obligation of the government to provide services to its own citizens, and you funnel yet even more money into the pockets of Wall Street.
5.--->which essentially amounts to denying them services, because most Americans do not have the money to pay (especially now post '08). So essentially, you strip resources from a gov't run system with no CEOs nor any advertising overhead, so it is efficiently serving the elderly, and you transfer those funds to an inefficient private system with extraneous expenditures that will provide shoddy, loophole-filled coverage to people who are uninsured, yes, but are not the heavy consumers--->
4.--->their coffers by customers created essentially at gunpoint. It doesn't end there, however, the grand (and beautiful) design of this reform/scam comes from the gutting of funds from the Medicare system thereby reducing the promised liabilities of the government to the very group of citizens who are the heaviest consumers of health care services, the elderly. Essentially, that is where the cost cutting will come from, by throwing the most desperate consumers out onto the marketplace--->
3.--->the illusion that we are somehow "more free" under a privatized health system, so be it, but you cannot deny under the auspices of the "market" the need for both simultaneous reforms, and their self-reinforcing nature in producing at the very least a system of accountability in ensuring that the insurance companies remain solvent and stable enough to serve the needs of the public. This would be achieved more efficiently by strict regulation as opposed to public money dumped into--->
2.--->most of their capital in the same kinds of scams that brought the banks to the public table. This brings me to the first point, which is that any serious attempt at reforming the health care system MUST also be accompanied by SERIOUS financial reform as well, because all of the billions that will be ripped from the public hands by this bill will only be more fodder to turn into tokens at the gambling table. If all of you free market fundamentalists out there who wish to maintain--->
I have to admit right away that this health reform/bailout is one of the more thoughtfully conceived frauds that I have chanced upon in a long while. I will explain myself, first by saying that it is precisely as you state, a back-handed blank check directly into the unaccountable hands of the flat broke insurance companies. Of course those very same companies were fat cat players in the Wall Street high stakes room... and they lost--->
this is only the shell, i have read the bill in many places. it will be just like our country slowly taken over!people will beg for the gov to takeover!
Ok look. You cannot force insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions under any circumstance. That defeats the entire purpose of insurance. That is like you going to an insurance company that you don't have any relationship with and telling them that they have to rebuild your house that burnt down after the fact. Give me a break man.
@TheTruthNothinMore - exactly right, the pre-existing condition debate is an emotional one for many. Almost every insurance company will accept a new client with a pre existing condition. however; your premiums will reflect the amount of money the insurance company estimates they will pay out on you. You can buy insurance with preexisting conditions but your premiums may be $3,000 + a month
One more thing, what if we did find a way to have insurance for one penny a day but many people still decided they did not want it? Do you think that would make the current democratic party happy? I think they would find a way to mandate that everyone to buy health insurance because they see themselves as parents and we as their care for children and parents can't allow their children to be in danger. Its a paternal government mentality that the left has.
Simply deregulating the medical industry would solve a lot of problems with cost. It will also prevent the insurance/politicians from creating regulations that squash out better competitors which is generally what happens with regulations. A free market prevents the government from enacting laws that benefit big companies at the expense of consumers.
Also, philosophically, I just believe that anyone should have the right to conduct business as they see fit simply because its their right.
What you need to understand is that we the people the people that labor and create don't need the insurance companies, we don't need the banks, we don't need any jobs that takes the labor and creative dollars we generate.
There are many of them.
Just take a minute and think about all the jobs that are created by the hard working people on this planet.
Think about who the hard working people support. They feed off our labor.
funny i heard Nancy polosi on tv this morning saying thta this will provide health care to all Americans and will lower the deficit, i thought wait so its lowering the debt how, gee i wonder if that means shes gonna make all the people pay the govt. money that they don't have?!? get what i am saying?
So after this passes it means i am going to pay to pay money even if i don't want to or don't want their insurance? what about the people that do have insurance?
Did you read the Feb 2010 American Behavioral Scientist vol.53 No.6? It has 6 papers dealing with SCADs, State Crimes Against Democracy, specifically 9/11 and the implications of the people's inability to recognize it for what it is
They have broken through the taboo of conspiracy theory by using a new term, SCAD, and listing many examples from Tonkin McCarthyism Oswald Daschle Watergate Iran/Contra WMD Anthrax etc
A peer reviewed journal to show people conspiracy is real and you're not crazy
tenebroust, All you said in this vlog is all logical to me. I luv your passion, I couldn't have said it better. Are we ever going to get jobs under Obama? The US is now bankrupt.
@mja2035 Exactly my other point. Are there not more important issues than to pass a health bill that doesn't even kick in for four years??? Like jobs, foreclosures, taxes, etc...
I have yet to talk to anyone that is for health care reform....does anyone know anyone that wants this? I would like to know if my experience is unique or not!
intresting points- if the govt "passed a law" that said a car can only be sold for $5,000 the auto industry would collaps and we would all be riding horses again. your point is well taken by many, but your solutions are not feasable- i wish it were that simple. Just as it is unconstitutinial to pass a law requiring all to purchase insurance, it is unconstitutional to pass a law telling private companies what they can charge for any product or service
@BradLauber To pass a law to tell companies what they can charge was merely me trying to make a point about the bill in question since so much emphasis is placed on the importance of these things by proponents of the plan.
@TimmyHaag- is it a competition? Driving is a privelage and indiviudals are only required to buy insurance if they own and drive a car. American citizens are not required by law to buy car insurance simply because they are alive. We will be required to buy health insurance weather we want to or not
unfortunatly it is not as easy as just saying "i win" you usually need to articulate an intellectual point of some sorts. Better luck next time
I met a guy in jail. Of course I did not belong there but anyway. I was mailing some money to him. I was looking at the cantine list at Ellseworth correctional center. $2 to see the doctor for prisoners. I feel that the same low level of support they have for prisoners should be available to all people
I have a masters degree in Medicine, but to understand this bill you would need to be able to do more than read, you may need a law degree. Not an easy read and lots of cryptic language in the bill... oh, and it is over 2 thousand pages long!!!! REally how many Americans will really read this AND understand it??? SAD.... I hope it does not pass!!
my line in the sand. Im not going to be forced to by sick care. I dont have it now, wont have it then. Accident insurance might be a good idea, for me,maybe, but i,ll take responsibility for my health. The only winning hand is not to play. I,m not playing, and buy the way I don,t and wont pay taxes to this corrupt government. We need Gods grace to make it thru these times, everything else is just distraction. God came as savior, now he comes as judge.
@takforalt There were not any that I could find; supposedly there will be, but they seem to be secretive - which defeats the purpose, in a way. It can be difficult to get Conservatives to protest, so that really cuts down on the interest in doing anything, and not being a Tea Partisan does not help my search...
Perhaps mandatory health insurance policies will soon force you to become an organ "donor" (organs to be auctioned off by your insurance company) so goldman sachs can sell organ-backed securities to china!
@magichandpuppet This is already being considered. One of Obama's advisors or "czars" has proposed that in the event that people make no declaration the default should be that your organs can be used.
Insurance at it's fundamental level is a scam. I say scrap the whole industry and LET the gov't take it over. The insurance company's survival hinges on the fact that they take IN more dollars than they put OUT. Not only do they survive,but THRIVE. Is it because people are generally healthier and just dont use the service for which they pay? Possible,but not very probable. It is much easier to just DENY payment for treatment,or jack up rates so that you either pay up or lose the policy. Win/Win.
@cstrand31 I'm all for that. It's better than the crap we have now. In a for profit system the goal is to make profit NOT help people it's a simple thing.
Good points. Also almost 50% of Americans dont pay taxes. If you poll americans and ask those 50% "Hey, do you want the other 50% of taxpysers who pay your ride to also pay your health insurance?" The answer is yes. For those of us who pay health insurance our care will go down, our costs will go up, and our money will be redistributed to those who wont or cant work so cover those 30 mill. Another redistribution of wealth - pure and simple. Q.E.D.
AP) -- CBO says a Medicare "Doctor fix" that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red. CBO said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.
What about the parts of the bill that (previously released) tied in medical information with your personal ID and a medical implant for storing any information the health secretary deems necessary?
As a comment... As you may know the economy is a cycle. One or two thing that make up the economy can cripple it. Ex. 2 men have their wrist broken, one has insurance (which has gone up 4%) and the other doesn't. After they go have surgery; the man that doesn't have health insurance now cannot feed, shelter, and continue his job for his family. Now he can't contribute into the economy because his bill is SKYROCKET high! ITS FUCKING COMMON SENSE THAT THAT MAN IS STUGGLING, SPEADING TO YOU AND ME!
This is a hell good vid. best one i have seen from you. Excellent points. one suggestion, maybe take out the book reading.. if you want to spread your message and you want your vids to be put on other sites and attract new viewers.. a lot of them are not going to survive the book reading bit at the start.. i always scroll past it one the vid is loaded up enough.. it's actually interfering your ability to spread your message. do not underestimate short attention spans.
Great video, Ted ! This is precisely why I cannot support this bill. This bill will make things worse, not better. This is exactly were this headed: the dismantling of our entire social safety net.
@55ella2007k I know you read the issues like me, and after seeing Kucinich on democracy now trying to explain why he is going to vote for this bill I was sickened by his responses and how little sense they made.
It is favoring to the insurance companies I'll agree to that, but the whole justification for the mandate is that if you don't force people to buy it, people will game the system in that they will not have insurance till they get sick or hurt buy it then get treatment thereby fucking the insurance companies which I think is only fair seeing they fucked us for so long, but it is a legit concern I'm more concern about who deems what is affordable insurance, what can you afford?
@funeralsong34 Also take into account that the bill can be made better as time goes by, some progressives already have a public action in the house that they can add in later as a seperate admendment. Medicare & medicaid was actually signed into law as an Amendment of 1965 to Social Security.
As for Social Security I doubt very much we will get rid of it, they can fix its funding by simply upping the cap amount. It was 92k a few yrs ago now its 106 or 109k.
@funeralsong34 insurance fucked us for so long so let's reward them So, what will this do to small businesses? You wrote "people will game the system...they'll not have insurance till they get sick" you think they/We/ME get insurance once we get sick hell fucking no...i pay out of my pocket when i get sick..AND guess what, i don't go to the doctor when my toe hurts People are out of touch...period
@Yoetah We'll this is Obama's stance, I simply believe its plausable that some if not forced to buy will not do so & when they find out they need an operation or have cancer they will buy insurance & the insurance will not be able to deny them. You have people doing this right now, people who could possibly buy insurance but do not & go to the emergency room.
I personally did not continue my COBRA when laid off simply because I deem it a ponzy scheme & I'm not paying $500 a month for it.
The problem with what you're saying is...pepople can't get coverage once they're diagnosed...there's a pre-existing clause---a waiting period for as long as a full year.
Okay, enough from me about this issue surrounded by lies and and BS to pass an agenda that benefits corporate.
One viewing this video, because of the delay feature that youtube has implemented, would think---based on the perceived lack of participation, BECAUSE OF THE DELAY in posting comments, that it's not a good video....
Insurance Companies will respond by declaring bankruptcy. Anyone who thinks they'll cooperate and perform their function has ... well, probably not learned from repeated experience what kind of cretans they are.
As one who's not had health ins in 18 years I expect mutual defeat betw DC and Ins Co's. we'll be in for even more bailouts a la Sachs et al.
Insurance companies are worse than banks. You give them bulk money forever. Then "IF" you ever go to make a claim. There's always some loophole in the fine print of your contract saying they don't have to pay you a cent.
T, I agree with you. I'm going to say something I never ever say but I am now. We need an armed resistance. They dont give a shit what we say...they do what they want. Our voices do not work.
Wow !! This is unreal... Thanks for explaining it in a way even I can understand =D ... now what folks??? lets go watch some cnn or fox (pick your poison).. kk?
"Health care reform" has nothing to do with caring about our fellow man. Didn't expect anything more.
This monstrosity continues stealing like what 'they" did with S.S. and Medicare. Not only did they sell us out to the corporations again, they put more control functions upon the American people; AGAIN. Linked to my bank account. WTF is going on?? I am so sick of all this complete BS. Do "they" really think that the people won't ultimately rise up??
These frauds in government can pass all the unconstitutional crap they want, because from now on I'll be ignoring these terrorist and anything they do, America didn't elect these scumbags but instead corrupted voting machines did which were put in place by the same corrupt assholes.
That whole Florida chad thing was a hoax to get these hackable voting machines in place so voting would be rigged in the future, proof is both candidates were owned by the Bilderbergs so they didn't care who won.
@zoticus1 Have you ever read the Constitution? If you ever do, you will find that the Federal Government is limited in its authority. The Constitution lists only a few powers of the Federal Government, whilst the States are given a similar list of things they cannot do, which is less limiting.
Your absolutly right. I read the whole house bill and a summery of the Senate bill...knew it was a give away to the insurance co from that first reading, but in the house bill they had the public option, so I supported it. Once the public option was taken out...I do not want this bill to pass, for all the reasons you gave. I know because I read the dam bill.
lolololololol Not in a Billion Light Years!! Goldman Sach OWNS the Government who do you think borrows from the Fed at .25% and buys up U.S.Treasury bills that no foreign country is stupid enough to buy! Lets see the last 2 Treasury Secretaries just happen to be from where______Gold In Sacks!!!!
great points .....it is also about total control .....they are taking us down from every direction....they will pass this then the banks will crash and the games will begin........
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Everyone keeps forgetting that the govt will provide subsidies to cover the cost of this health insurance for those who cannot afford it. This means for the first time in USA history truly poor people who need medical care will be able to get it for free, just like those who get Medicare, & will not be forced to go into the Emergency room for care, & then have a huge bill for it. Plus, emergency care doesn't cover long term treatments like for Cancer, so this is still a good deal for the poor.
Nightbird 1 month ago
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Nightbird 1 month ago
Spot on about a bailout to the insurance companies; i.e.- another tax levied upon an unsuspective nation; one step closer to NWO...
MuchTooLearnUSH 2 months ago
(continued) anyone take that power and wealth away from them? Really? I hate to say it but it's over. The American people fell asleep at the job a long time ago, and now as some of us are waking up we are realizing that all the comforts and distractions came at a cost. This country was hijacked by the corporations and the elite rich, and a system was put in place to make sure no one could ever take it away from them. Sorry folks, but it's over... we lost.
fckozy 10 months ago
If anyone thinks the insurance companies are going to let congress pass legislature that will limit or decrease their profits, they're crazy. That's right, I said "let congress". Corporations have bought our government. They send lobbyists to spend billions (with a B) to buy votes so things stay as they are. This terrible "reform" is actually as good as it's going to get. Do you really think an industry made of the wealthiest, most powerful corporations the world has ever seen is going to let a
fckozy 10 months ago
All of these issues are as a result of our monetary system and its design. Too many of us have forgotten that we created this thing called money and we have allowed ourselves to become slaves to it. The solution is not reform. The solution is designing a whole new system. Please take a look at what the Venus Project advocates. Watch the film Zeitgeist Addendum and from there check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward. The future is in our hands and it is what we do now that will shape our future.
Meeks861 1 year ago
Its good to note that they are putting the banks first with repect to money. Always posting trillions for the banks, and a couple of billion for healthcare reform in USA. That is just shocking. I really do feel for you on this one. goldman sachs, bernstein bank these are the guys the care abt. And as u said, the american will payout of their pocket, Social security days are on their way out. I would have loved to have lived in the 50s and 60s .
swimunder 1 year ago
This is a MORAL REASON for WAR!
Licmycat 1 year ago
If this video's true, then this is a good reason why the government wants mandated insurance. watch?v=-VXqxPMVZCk
PulsarFusion 1 year ago
who heal you up for free and junk like doctor quin medicine woman.. wtf am I talking about..
coilzard 1 year ago
how come they never have wandering doctors and stuff anymore..
coilzard 1 year ago
@coilzard Because the game is rigged. The reform is no reform it forces people to buy crappy policies from insurance companies. How is that reform? Single Payer is the solution.
tenebroust 1 year ago
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coilzard 1 year ago
Basic Math Says We're Toast - Not Even The Most Severe Austerity Can Pay The Debt by Carl F. Worden
rense.com/general92/math.htm
TheZzzz1 1 year ago
You won't have to get insurance if you don't want it. You'll just have to pay a fine if you don't, which -if you don't have a large income, won't be that much. In my opinion, thats the way it should be, cause if you are uninsured, you are a liability for the rest of society. But seriously how many people DON'T want healthcare? I want it, but I can't afford it. Thanks to Obama healthcare assistance, I will get the assistance I need to be able to afford good healthcare. ..finally.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors but you are liability for healthy people, did you think about it. You want others to pay for you. Hows thats fare. A lot of people in your case go to other countries that offer a tit to suck on, why don't you take that and go.
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 no, I don't think you are understand the way the reform bill works. It helps people to be able to afford to get insurance so they can be responsible for themselves. As it is now (prior to the bill going into effect), when someone is uninsured and they have to go to the hospital, if they can't pay their hospital bill, the gov (aka. tax payers) picks up the bill. Its cheaper for tax payers to help with the insurance premium than to pick up all those hospital bills in full.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors taxpayer don't foot anything, if someone goes to the hospital and jumps bill, its hospital tax write off as not collected debt. Hospitals in America 90 percent are private institutions, and who jump bill got hunted by collection agency. Second, its violate US constitution, so i guess, you FAT HEAD , have no respect for. America was built as a limiten gov country. You don't have to be here if you can't make it. There are other contries in the World that can be more fit for you.
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 haha. riiiight. If a hospital writes it off, who pays for it? Government (aka taxpayers). In 2004, private insurance paid for 36% of personal health expenditures, private out-of-pocket 15%, federal government 34%, state and local governments 11%. Why don't you go to bit[DOT]ly/MZwg7 and educate yourself. (replace the [DOT] with a dot. Our healthcare system's quality is ranked 37th in the world, yet we spend more per person than ANY other country. It needs reform.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@bykashka75 USA is the only 1st world country that doesn't take care of ALL its citizens. Despite the fact that not all people in America are insured, the USA has the third highest public healthcare expenditure per capita. A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses.[6] Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.[7]
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors do you read?, i just told you- America is a limited government country. it was built as such. What those politicians do is against constitution. It doesn't matter what numbers are and such, America was not built so you can suck on its tit. And i told you, that this country is not for you, so you might research some other options in the World. PS America is not 1 st in anything, it has debt of 14 T dollars. YOU ARE STUPID LIKE A ROCK
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 initially there was NO gov? how far back shall we go? And how does this convince you that we should just let people die so you can have a tax cut? Thats what it comes down to: You care more about $ than lives. And in the case of the Obama HC bill, you would probably save money AND save lives! So who's the stupid one? Unless you make more than 300,000/yr, you will benefit from it! You will get a bigger tax return at the end of each year.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors it was not and then it was. Constitution was written and that you should go by. I don't care about money side, ITS AGAINST COSTITUTION.
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 I don't personally believe that it is against the constitution. That is debatable. And I can't even understand your first sentence. And you should care about the money side, because you as a tax payer are losing your ass with the old system. The new system is going to work much better. If you don't have any legitimate points to make about the bill, aside from name calling and screaming nonsensically about the Constitution and small gov, this conversation is over.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@bykashka75 Is this the system that you want to keep in place? I wish YOU would move to a different country so we could have some progress, create a more efficient system, and not have kids bleeding to death in the ER because their parents can't afford to get them health insurance.
The whole divide between Conservatives and Liberals really comes down to this question: Do you care about others or do you only care about yourself? How long till its you or your kid bleeding to death in the ER?
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors YOU ARE STUPID. No one gets turned off for any care in America, you have money, you don't have money- you get care. you just a lazy ass who doesn't want to do anything and want others to foot your bill. If everyone would be sick, so who will pay for it? Exactly, the one who will pay for it are the healthy one. Healthy pay tax, Healthy work to death, healthy die at war. And you think its your right all of the sudden to get it all free
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 I'm perfectly healthy. And, again, you don't understand the health bill if you think its going to cost you more. I can see that I'm wasting my time. Are you 12?
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors it will cost me MORE and I don't care about money side. Its aganst constitution. Do you get though your head. People died for that piece of paper, and now you, economist, telling us what it will cost. Why don't you go and get a job
bykashka75 1 year ago
@bykashka75 It will not cost you more unless you make more than 300,000, it isn't against the constitution (in my opinion), and I have a job. If its not money you care about, what is it you care about? Making sure we don't help people in need? The constitutionality is debatable so that isn't an argument.
tneighbors 1 year ago
@tneighbors who are you to judge peoples income? why don't you show us how its done and donate 80 percent of your money. Oh, i forgot you don't have anything and you want other to foot it.
bykashka75 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch Yeah it really seems so gov can get away with anything:-(
(A) :-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch I´m happy you googled it, because it was hard for me to explain it LOL:-) But now it seems like it´s the same in both of our countries it´s over the taxes we pay:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch Sorry if I dont have made my self clear here, it´s a little difficult to explain, so please google Health care in Denmark. I hope you get more correct information by doing this:-) But thanks for your replies:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch Health care is free when you use public hospitals, because they are financed via taxes on your income:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch In Denmark the health care is on the state budget, and then the municipality is given an amount of money to run the hospitals and pay the doctors and so on:-) But when it´s private hospitals you pay for services, and the doctors salary. I hope this is an OK answer, if not you can google health care in Denmark:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
@OldSmellyCrotch Sorry I didn´t know you have to pay for health care in the UK:-(
Yeah gov steal what they can from people:-(
But in Denmark we pay a lot of tax and thats why we dont pay for health care:-)
Greets to UK from Denmark:-)
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
Isn't it just too damn obvious that the plan takes effect when Obama is on the way out. Why could it of not started this year or at least by 2011? Obama will never get reelected and he and they know it. The timing of this scam is a scam in and of itself!!
B123F456H789 1 year ago
Oh wow my first response. How are you? Go down a bit to Baker98745 - 3 months ago where you say "yes I am paranoid and I have got 20 guns" - sorry I'm new or maybe I am just having a senior moment - just assumed that you were planning to dig a trench and fight it out which is why you need 20 guns - us Brits think that all Americans have their homes stuffed with guns - we see it in the movies. Love you.
munchkin365 1 year ago
@munchkin365 Sarcasm for that fellow. No I am not digging a trench to fight it out. I was just being sarcastic.
tenebroust 1 year ago
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Why have you got 20 guns. I don't mind you shooting people with them but I hope you are not one of those bastards that hunts animals for fun.
munchkin365 1 year ago
Why have you got 20 guns. I don't mind you shooting people with them but I hope you are not one of those bastards that hunts animals for fun.
munchkin365 1 year ago
@munchkin365 I don't have 20 guns, what the heck are you talking about?
tenebroust 1 year ago
The American plutocracy has been hell-bent on dismantling the public programs put in place through popular struggle for decades now - it's no surprise that they would do it under the guise of "reform", that's always what the privatizers say all around the world, "reform" and then they procede to take over everything and destroy any gains made by the people.
blackiron60 1 year ago
Fuck private insurance companies and US government
In Denmark health care is fucking free:-)
The only thing we must pay for is dental health care
SuperAcab666 1 year ago
right on i never thought of it that way
snooch1975 1 year ago
Compulsory private health insurance for the masses will be more welfare for the rich.
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful Socialised healhcare is more cost effective for tax payers if managed decently.
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful Yes a well managed and planned system. Learn from the mistakes of the UK.
tenebroust 1 year ago
@Tuathalful Yes indeed
tenebroust 1 year ago
This guy appears paranoid. Is he at his house? Its like a bunker in the woods or something. You know he has like 20 guns.
Seriously though, are you equally pissed that if you buy a car that the government mandates you buy car insurance ? Because the reason for required health insurance, is so if you get in a terrible accident and you rack up 50 grand in medical costs, the rest of us dont have to pay for your health care.
baker98745 1 year ago
@baker98745 Yes I'm paranoid and living in a bunker. I have 20 guns etc... Sure I'm mad that we are required to buy insurance. The difference should be obvious. In every market there are choices and competition in the auto insurance market which keeps prices down, that is not so for health insurance. Additionally if I smash my car the insurance fixes it. There is NO mandate for care delivery in the health insurance industry. People can decide my care is too expensive and not cover it.
tenebroust 1 year ago
If i may ask...where do you get all of your information about what the laws and bills say, and who is actually doing what?
JoeJimipac112742 1 year ago
@JoeJimipac112742 By reading the law.
tenebroust 1 year ago
You hit it on the head in alot of ways in this video. However, I think the real agenda behind this travesty of a bill is to hold the large companies and corperations who have hijacked our economy, hostage to our well being. Thats because our government knows that were not going to have fucking jobs to take care of it ourselves soon. Rather than protect us from modern day slavers, our govt. has charged these thieves to "some" of our healthcare cost and the rest to us.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
4:33-5:03 was golden. We need to look at the bigger picture or as you said in another video, the agenda. We have let our private citizens go to other places and other populations and not improve their quality of life by more than a pitance rather than just pocketing the difference. In return we cannot create new jobs because the people who are now working our old jobs are void from our system.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
You can only control the price, the cost is what it is outside of forced labor. Insurance companies on average have a 3-5% profit margin. The only way the insurance companies can sustain while being forced to cover everything at a "controlled cost," again it can only be price outside of forced labor aka exploitation aka slavery, is TO PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF EVERYONE ELSE, aka forced labor, aka exploitation, aka slavery.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
@Vlaxitov When you live in an inequitable society with undeniable social stratification the notion of re-distributive justice applies. It is the super wealthy, and "super" is apt, and their faceless corporations that can be made to subsidise universal healthcare. It is not necessary to tax workers more; although they'll need to defend themselves against indirect shifting of that cost through lower wages and higher cost of living...
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@Tuathalful
When you get hung up on the notion of "justice" you forfiet any "fairness" there is to be had. So your "notion" is that everyone be subject to the justice wether or not they have commited the crime. Coorperations aren't always owned by the super wealthy rather than little pieces of it owned by the common man, thats why its a coorperation. So what you would be suggesting is to take bread from one common man to feed another in many cases. Justice without fairness, just like europe.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
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JeffTheCanuck2 1 year ago
are you in a cave? or some abandoned old cabin?
backtonature01 1 year ago
@backtonature01 , fieldstone and mortar foundations were popular 100 years ago.
annieandalfie 1 year ago
@backtonature01 Neither but I wish it was a cave that would be cool.
tenebroust 1 year ago
@tenebroust oh, you're in a cave alright.
mikeandlaurie1979 1 year ago
@mikeandlaurie1979 Oh I get it, you are so clever Mr. Psychiatrist...it's in my mind, do I get a lollipop?
tenebroust 1 year ago
This healthcare reform stands to violate the religious practices of Christian Scientists - just sayin' freedom of religion is being violated.
divinejudge1 1 year ago
@divinejudge1 it'll help counterbalance religions abuses of people who choose to use their right to be without religion.
nocturanas 1 year ago
@nocturanas I just bring it up as a legal argument to fight the bill. (If you pray for me, pray that your god stays out of my way :-D)
divinejudge1 1 year ago
@divinejudge1 haha no prayin going on here, jesus was a hoax!
nocturanas 1 year ago
real shit right there
macrhuger 1 year ago
Congratulations on number 300 - Keep 'em coming.
MikePresents 1 year ago
I will say this tenebroust, I'm curious about the details of the price and coverage of a single payer in this new mandated buy-in system. I'm feeling less then confident that it will fit my budget range. Moreover, I'd like to know how they are going to enforce non-compliance. I hope I don't show up back on your site a year from now with vodka at hand and a screaming ulcer...
metron626 1 year ago
I think you're spot on with your prediction of how the insurance companies and corporate interests are going to handle the new rules (I share your rage.) Lets just hope the elite one percent of our population can grow a conscience, not piece and sell our nation out for cents on the dollar and run to their private islands in the tropics. Having said that, the nation has to start somwhere. The bill is not perfect, but nobody yet knows what perfect looks like, only what "screwed" feels like.
metron626 1 year ago
Nice work on the video tenebroust. Love the intensity! I have to agree with truthnothinmore and BradLauber though, signing into law protections against insurance companies denying a client based on pre-existing conditions would defeat the purpose of insurance, which is to spread out the damage. Bringing down the actual cost of insurance demands a revision of policy. Who then do you trust more to handle healthcare, the corporations or government? That's the real pickle...
metron626 1 year ago
we are in a lot a trouble
1GUNSQUIRREL 1 year ago
I think Obama wants to destroy the White race.
Whites make up 90% of the middle & upper middle class. These are the people that will be most negatively affected by this HC bill.
Next down the pike, amnesty.
Obama is going to reward 12 million illegals, 98% entirely from mexico, with a path to citizenship. These Mexicans are adamant about taking over America by shear number and Obama knows it.
Why do you think he said once we better all learn to speak Spanish. It was in his agenda already.
wetweasel56 1 year ago
6.--->of health services like the elderly. If you were a policy maker you'd see two goals here triumphantly accomplished in one fell swoop, yes, you reduce the obligation of the government to provide services to its own citizens, and you funnel yet even more money into the pockets of Wall Street.
slogandredge 1 year ago
@slogandredge Very well said my friend Tarpley is a brilliant man.
tenebroust 1 year ago
5.--->which essentially amounts to denying them services, because most Americans do not have the money to pay (especially now post '08). So essentially, you strip resources from a gov't run system with no CEOs nor any advertising overhead, so it is efficiently serving the elderly, and you transfer those funds to an inefficient private system with extraneous expenditures that will provide shoddy, loophole-filled coverage to people who are uninsured, yes, but are not the heavy consumers--->
slogandredge 1 year ago
4.--->their coffers by customers created essentially at gunpoint. It doesn't end there, however, the grand (and beautiful) design of this reform/scam comes from the gutting of funds from the Medicare system thereby reducing the promised liabilities of the government to the very group of citizens who are the heaviest consumers of health care services, the elderly. Essentially, that is where the cost cutting will come from, by throwing the most desperate consumers out onto the marketplace--->
slogandredge 1 year ago
3.--->the illusion that we are somehow "more free" under a privatized health system, so be it, but you cannot deny under the auspices of the "market" the need for both simultaneous reforms, and their self-reinforcing nature in producing at the very least a system of accountability in ensuring that the insurance companies remain solvent and stable enough to serve the needs of the public. This would be achieved more efficiently by strict regulation as opposed to public money dumped into--->
slogandredge 1 year ago
2.--->most of their capital in the same kinds of scams that brought the banks to the public table. This brings me to the first point, which is that any serious attempt at reforming the health care system MUST also be accompanied by SERIOUS financial reform as well, because all of the billions that will be ripped from the public hands by this bill will only be more fodder to turn into tokens at the gambling table. If all of you free market fundamentalists out there who wish to maintain--->
slogandredge 1 year ago
1. Webster Tarpley was right about this one...
I have to admit right away that this health reform/bailout is one of the more thoughtfully conceived frauds that I have chanced upon in a long while. I will explain myself, first by saying that it is precisely as you state, a back-handed blank check directly into the unaccountable hands of the flat broke insurance companies. Of course those very same companies were fat cat players in the Wall Street high stakes room... and they lost--->
slogandredge 1 year ago
this is only the shell, i have read the bill in many places. it will be just like our country slowly taken over!people will beg for the gov to takeover!
MrHr1207 1 year ago
Thanks bud, 5 stars and shared with everyone.
rvlqcitizen 1 year ago
But yeah you are right that this is a bailout for insurance companies.
TheTruthNothinMore 1 year ago
Ok look. You cannot force insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions under any circumstance. That defeats the entire purpose of insurance. That is like you going to an insurance company that you don't have any relationship with and telling them that they have to rebuild your house that burnt down after the fact. Give me a break man.
TheTruthNothinMore 1 year ago
@TheTruthNothinMore - exactly right, the pre-existing condition debate is an emotional one for many. Almost every insurance company will accept a new client with a pre existing condition. however; your premiums will reflect the amount of money the insurance company estimates they will pay out on you. You can buy insurance with preexisting conditions but your premiums may be $3,000 + a month
BradLauber 1 year ago
One more thing, what if we did find a way to have insurance for one penny a day but many people still decided they did not want it? Do you think that would make the current democratic party happy? I think they would find a way to mandate that everyone to buy health insurance because they see themselves as parents and we as their care for children and parents can't allow their children to be in danger. Its a paternal government mentality that the left has.
timbosforporn 1 year ago
Simply deregulating the medical industry would solve a lot of problems with cost. It will also prevent the insurance/politicians from creating regulations that squash out better competitors which is generally what happens with regulations. A free market prevents the government from enacting laws that benefit big companies at the expense of consumers.
Also, philosophically, I just believe that anyone should have the right to conduct business as they see fit simply because its their right.
timbosforporn 1 year ago
What you need to understand is that we the people the people that labor and create don't need the insurance companies, we don't need the banks, we don't need any jobs that takes the labor and creative dollars we generate.
There are many of them.
Just take a minute and think about all the jobs that are created by the hard working people on this planet.
Think about who the hard working people support. They feed off our labor.
The Control System is stealing our labor.
CosmosPrivateer 1 year ago
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With no one to protect them
Put this into the youtube search engine.
If you can get to minute 6 WITHOUT crying...
I'll PERSONALLY send you 25.00 with paypal.
Seriously.
Try it.
macholibre77 1 year ago
I wish you would've posted this video earlier shit man, maybe then we could show every one this is some bad shit!
famasdan 1 year ago
Worst thing is they read a qoute form bush this morning , that showed George Bush even supports this bill, thus showing its a bad idea!
famasdan 1 year ago
funny i heard Nancy polosi on tv this morning saying thta this will provide health care to all Americans and will lower the deficit, i thought wait so its lowering the debt how, gee i wonder if that means shes gonna make all the people pay the govt. money that they don't have?!? get what i am saying?
So after this passes it means i am going to pay to pay money even if i don't want to or don't want their insurance? what about the people that do have insurance?
famasdan 1 year ago
@famasdan They'll be raped more too by higher taxes.
tenebroust 1 year ago
this has nothing to do with free markets.
whippoorwillss 1 year ago
Excellent points you made brother. I haven't really thought about it that way, and I agree. You're right.
smttysmth02gt 1 year ago
@smttysmth02gt Thanks man.
tenebroust 1 year ago
Did you read the Feb 2010 American Behavioral Scientist vol.53 No.6? It has 6 papers dealing with SCADs, State Crimes Against Democracy, specifically 9/11 and the implications of the people's inability to recognize it for what it is
They have broken through the taboo of conspiracy theory by using a new term, SCAD, and listing many examples from Tonkin McCarthyism Oswald Daschle Watergate Iran/Contra WMD Anthrax etc
A peer reviewed journal to show people conspiracy is real and you're not crazy
Slavestorms 1 year ago
@Slavestorms Interesting I will check it out.
tenebroust 1 year ago
tenebroust, All you said in this vlog is all logical to me. I luv your passion, I couldn't have said it better. Are we ever going to get jobs under Obama? The US is now bankrupt.
mja2035 1 year ago
@mja2035 Exactly my other point. Are there not more important issues than to pass a health bill that doesn't even kick in for four years??? Like jobs, foreclosures, taxes, etc...
tenebroust 1 year ago
i couldn't agree more with you. this is fascism and it must be stopped!!!! great vid. please keep up the great work:)
83dirtychris 1 year ago
@83dirtychris Thanks, I'll be here.
tenebroust 1 year ago
Hi Mr T
Perhaps we can take a poll
I have yet to talk to anyone that is for health care reform....does anyone know anyone that wants this? I would like to know if my experience is unique or not!
dagiles123 1 year ago
@dagiles123 I imagine you know the answer to your poll already.
tenebroust 1 year ago
@dagiles123
I'd like healthcare reform, wow, that was hard...
TimmyHaag 1 year ago
intresting points- if the govt "passed a law" that said a car can only be sold for $5,000 the auto industry would collaps and we would all be riding horses again. your point is well taken by many, but your solutions are not feasable- i wish it were that simple. Just as it is unconstitutinial to pass a law requiring all to purchase insurance, it is unconstitutional to pass a law telling private companies what they can charge for any product or service
BradLauber 1 year ago
@BradLauber To pass a law to tell companies what they can charge was merely me trying to make a point about the bill in question since so much emphasis is placed on the importance of these things by proponents of the plan.
tenebroust 1 year ago
@BradLauber
Car insurance.
I win.
TimmyHaag 1 year ago
@TimmyHaag- is it a competition? Driving is a privelage and indiviudals are only required to buy insurance if they own and drive a car. American citizens are not required by law to buy car insurance simply because they are alive. We will be required to buy health insurance weather we want to or not
unfortunatly it is not as easy as just saying "i win" you usually need to articulate an intellectual point of some sorts. Better luck next time
BradLauber 1 year ago
I met a guy in jail. Of course I did not belong there but anyway. I was mailing some money to him. I was looking at the cantine list at Ellseworth correctional center. $2 to see the doctor for prisoners. I feel that the same low level of support they have for prisoners should be available to all people
5 stars
jefferyrowe1960 1 year ago
I have a masters degree in Medicine, but to understand this bill you would need to be able to do more than read, you may need a law degree. Not an easy read and lots of cryptic language in the bill... oh, and it is over 2 thousand pages long!!!! REally how many Americans will really read this AND understand it??? SAD.... I hope it does not pass!!
c1nicolei 1 year ago
my line in the sand. Im not going to be forced to by sick care. I dont have it now, wont have it then. Accident insurance might be a good idea, for me,maybe, but i,ll take responsibility for my health. The only winning hand is not to play. I,m not playing, and buy the way I don,t and wont pay taxes to this corrupt government. We need Gods grace to make it thru these times, everything else is just distraction. God came as savior, now he comes as judge.
TheJourneyfortruth 1 year ago
Amen
mejt223 1 year ago
In short health care reform is nothing about reforming the system it is a bail out for the insurance companies by government mandate.
gli96187 1 year ago 2
@gli96187 Exactly.
tenebroust 1 year ago
WE have to fight back to end this health care horror. Are there any protests planned?
takforalt 1 year ago
@takforalt There were not any that I could find; supposedly there will be, but they seem to be secretive - which defeats the purpose, in a way. It can be difficult to get Conservatives to protest, so that really cuts down on the interest in doing anything, and not being a Tea Partisan does not help my search...
jcfan42 1 year ago
Perhaps mandatory health insurance policies will soon force you to become an organ "donor" (organs to be auctioned off by your insurance company) so goldman sachs can sell organ-backed securities to china!
magichandpuppet 1 year ago
@magichandpuppet This is already being considered. One of Obama's advisors or "czars" has proposed that in the event that people make no declaration the default should be that your organs can be used.
tenebroust 1 year ago
@tenebroust - HOLY CRAP! I was just joking. This is crazy man! What has this world come to? This is getting beyond scary.
peace!
magichandpuppet 1 year ago
Insurance at it's fundamental level is a scam. I say scrap the whole industry and LET the gov't take it over. The insurance company's survival hinges on the fact that they take IN more dollars than they put OUT. Not only do they survive,but THRIVE. Is it because people are generally healthier and just dont use the service for which they pay? Possible,but not very probable. It is much easier to just DENY payment for treatment,or jack up rates so that you either pay up or lose the policy. Win/Win.
cstrand31 1 year ago
@cstrand31 I'm all for that. It's better than the crap we have now. In a for profit system the goal is to make profit NOT help people it's a simple thing.
tenebroust 1 year ago
Agreed.
cstrand31 1 year ago
I am in the same boat.
I am not a Repub but I am with them on opposition. I need them to help control my wacky X party.
shampoovta 1 year ago
Good points. Also almost 50% of Americans dont pay taxes. If you poll americans and ask those 50% "Hey, do you want the other 50% of taxpysers who pay your ride to also pay your health insurance?" The answer is yes. For those of us who pay health insurance our care will go down, our costs will go up, and our money will be redistributed to those who wont or cant work so cover those 30 mill. Another redistribution of wealth - pure and simple. Q.E.D.
mutexnet 1 year ago
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sticuhor 1 year ago
AP) -- CBO says a Medicare "Doctor fix" that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red. CBO said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.
Hope & Change?????
dkkght46 1 year ago
What about the parts of the bill that (previously released) tied in medical information with your personal ID and a medical implant for storing any information the health secretary deems necessary?
joelb79 1 year ago
Holy fuckin AMEN
SirSardonicus 1 year ago
As a comment... As you may know the economy is a cycle. One or two thing that make up the economy can cripple it. Ex. 2 men have their wrist broken, one has insurance (which has gone up 4%) and the other doesn't. After they go have surgery; the man that doesn't have health insurance now cannot feed, shelter, and continue his job for his family. Now he can't contribute into the economy because his bill is SKYROCKET high! ITS FUCKING COMMON SENSE THAT THAT MAN IS STUGGLING, SPEADING TO YOU AND ME!
FishermansTale 1 year ago
It is finished.
GOTTshua 1 year ago
This is a hell good vid. best one i have seen from you. Excellent points. one suggestion, maybe take out the book reading.. if you want to spread your message and you want your vids to be put on other sites and attract new viewers.. a lot of them are not going to survive the book reading bit at the start.. i always scroll past it one the vid is loaded up enough.. it's actually interfering your ability to spread your message. do not underestimate short attention spans.
sirbadman 1 year ago
Great video, Ted ! This is precisely why I cannot support this bill. This bill will make things worse, not better. This is exactly were this headed: the dismantling of our entire social safety net.
55ella2007k 1 year ago 2
@55ella2007k I know you read the issues like me, and after seeing Kucinich on democracy now trying to explain why he is going to vote for this bill I was sickened by his responses and how little sense they made.
tenebroust 1 year ago
The new reply feature on YT sucks !!!!
55ella2007k 1 year ago
Makes sense why the insurance companies are not fighting this.
62636263c 1 year ago
It is favoring to the insurance companies I'll agree to that, but the whole justification for the mandate is that if you don't force people to buy it, people will game the system in that they will not have insurance till they get sick or hurt buy it then get treatment thereby fucking the insurance companies which I think is only fair seeing they fucked us for so long, but it is a legit concern I'm more concern about who deems what is affordable insurance, what can you afford?
funeralsong34 1 year ago
@funeralsong34 Also take into account that the bill can be made better as time goes by, some progressives already have a public action in the house that they can add in later as a seperate admendment. Medicare & medicaid was actually signed into law as an Amendment of 1965 to Social Security.
As for Social Security I doubt very much we will get rid of it, they can fix its funding by simply upping the cap amount. It was 92k a few yrs ago now its 106 or 109k.
funeralsong34 1 year ago
Yoetah 1 year ago
@Yoetah We'll this is Obama's stance, I simply believe its plausable that some if not forced to buy will not do so & when they find out they need an operation or have cancer they will buy insurance & the insurance will not be able to deny them. You have people doing this right now, people who could possibly buy insurance but do not & go to the emergency room.
I personally did not continue my COBRA when laid off simply because I deem it a ponzy scheme & I'm not paying $500 a month for it.
funeralsong34 1 year ago
@funeralsong34
The problem with what you're saying is...pepople can't get coverage once they're diagnosed...there's a pre-existing clause---a waiting period for as long as a full year.
Okay, enough from me about this issue surrounded by lies and and BS to pass an agenda that benefits corporate.
This one just got my goat good.
Yoetah 1 year ago
I have a suggestion...spread this video
"Perception is everything"
It's unfortunate but it's the truth
One viewing this video, because of the delay feature that youtube has implemented, would think---based on the perceived lack of participation, BECAUSE OF THE DELAY in posting comments, that it's not a good video....
FUCK U YOUTUBE!
Yoetah 1 year ago
Insurance Companies will respond by declaring bankruptcy. Anyone who thinks they'll cooperate and perform their function has ... well, probably not learned from repeated experience what kind of cretans they are.
As one who's not had health ins in 18 years I expect mutual defeat betw DC and Ins Co's. we'll be in for even more bailouts a la Sachs et al.
deckchairs1 1 year ago
Insurance companies are worse than banks. You give them bulk money forever. Then "IF" you ever go to make a claim. There's always some loophole in the fine print of your contract saying they don't have to pay you a cent.
TheOioink 1 year ago
Fucking awesome brother.
Seleucus84 1 year ago 2
T, I agree with you. I'm going to say something I never ever say but I am now. We need an armed resistance. They dont give a shit what we say...they do what they want. Our voices do not work.
deepwater1974 1 year ago 2
Wow !! This is unreal... Thanks for explaining it in a way even I can understand =D ... now what folks??? lets go watch some cnn or fox (pick your poison).. kk?
mitzydawn 1 year ago
to make things worse... i heard you have to prove that your vaccinations are up to date in order to obtain or be qualified for insurance.
japhill2 1 year ago
@japhill2 That is fear rumor. Untrue.
They cannot mandate vaccinations even if they try.
The main point though, anyone who says they've seen this bill is lying.
deckchairs1 1 year ago
kudos
or97035 1 year ago
"Health care reform" has nothing to do with caring about our fellow man. Didn't expect anything more.
This monstrosity continues stealing like what 'they" did with S.S. and Medicare. Not only did they sell us out to the corporations again, they put more control functions upon the American people; AGAIN. Linked to my bank account. WTF is going on?? I am so sick of all this complete BS. Do "they" really think that the people won't ultimately rise up??
Meanwhile, back at American Idol.........
bigc028282 1 year ago
You rock man!
havoctrend 1 year ago
These frauds in government can pass all the unconstitutional crap they want, because from now on I'll be ignoring these terrorist and anything they do, America didn't elect these scumbags but instead corrupted voting machines did which were put in place by the same corrupt assholes.
That whole Florida chad thing was a hoax to get these hackable voting machines in place so voting would be rigged in the future, proof is both candidates were owned by the Bilderbergs so they didn't care who won.
aimeechrister 1 year ago
Medicare and Social Security are both unconstitutional, but they are not going anywhere. Also, this channel appears to be fail.
jcfan42 1 year ago
"Also, this channel appears to be fail. "
Your grammar appears to "be fail".
Medicare and social security are not unconstitutional,have you even read it or are you just being a silly libertarian troll?
zoticus1 1 year ago
@zoticus1 Have you ever read the Constitution? If you ever do, you will find that the Federal Government is limited in its authority. The Constitution lists only a few powers of the Federal Government, whilst the States are given a similar list of things they cannot do, which is less limiting.
jcfan42 1 year ago
America is a place where FREEDOM is a exclusive right for CORPORATIONS and TYRANNY is destined for ordinary people.
iknewitalready 1 year ago
Your absolutly right. I read the whole house bill and a summery of the Senate bill...knew it was a give away to the insurance co from that first reading, but in the house bill they had the public option, so I supported it. Once the public option was taken out...I do not want this bill to pass, for all the reasons you gave. I know because I read the dam bill.
Boomer1949 1 year ago
@He101A
lolololololol Not in a Billion Light Years!! Goldman Sach OWNS the Government who do you think borrows from the Fed at .25% and buys up U.S.Treasury bills that no foreign country is stupid enough to buy! Lets see the last 2 Treasury Secretaries just happen to be from where______Gold In Sacks!!!!
Rizky06 1 year ago
great points .....it is also about total control .....they are taking us down from every direction....they will pass this then the banks will crash and the games will begin........
skybirdbird 1 year ago
Mandated bailout for insurance companies on the backs of people who do not have jobs - that sums it up well.
silverfuturist 1 year ago
Alot of chemtrails today
killgreed 1 year ago
Good bye, blue sky, it was clear, & blue out, until the planes filled the sky with Chemicals, this is the second time posting, it did not show up?
killgreed 1 year ago
Heavy Chemtrails Today in Pa.
killgreed 1 year ago