Both Shilloshillos and lokopiano, you two are on the verge if not already in desperate need of sedatives. You two are straight jacket material. It is a youtube video and the two of you have started an all out WAR over a musical piece. Please for the love of meunster, swiss, pepperjeack and everything else holy...PLEASE stop the bickering over Alfred Brendel, before men in little white coats start chasing the two of you with nets! You're both giving me gas!
Sorry you were upset over that. Me too. You may have seen that I tried to stay out of it, but someone wouldn't let go and used very rude and offensive expressions that couldn't be left unanswered. Sorry again to have entered a discussion with that particular moron. I am definitely not going to continue.
There's nothing more fucking annoying than these miserable twats on youtube who suggest the most obscure crappy players all the time on the comments pages of videos of real masters. Dickheads.
Greatest interpretation, intellectually as well as physically & sonically, of this masterpiece. Brendel plays with chisellled, granite-like tone & total grasp of the dramatic & cumulative demand of this sonata. Listen to precise cut-and-pedalling in octave ascents/descents, expansive tone in lyrical sections, glittering yet tender filigree. Overall conception and pefrmance places it in a literaray and artistic context for all time along with the best that Goethe and Shakespeare can offer.
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The prinicpal limitation of this pisnist is his small understanding of polyphony.
The last part of this Sonata requieres it, and of course he has not the tools to make it.
IS a very rare old LP of one of biggest versions of it. The pianist is Arturo Moreryra Lima A Brasilian who get the third prize ( he really deserved the 1st ) in the Tcahikowsky competition at the end of 60s ( don´t remember exactly the year right now. )Look that Brenedl , he even can´t count the beats . what a bluff.
The fugue doesn't sound Mephistophelian enough to me. Lacking agitation. His touch in the following section is monotonal as well. Sorry ,but not liking this.
Brendel's Liszt is always less virtuosic and more intellectual and musical. Works in the mid to late works, maybe not so much for the etudes, rhapsodies etc. in any case, he is a genius of gigantic proportions.
You, my friend, are obsessed with your "member". Why don't you go do something about it, to "get it off" your mind. Don't forget to use tissues. Brendel is a great pianist, he got awarded big time for his Liszt. Who are YOU to criticize him. Obviously a nobody with no musical taste or understanding. I am done discussing with you.
" Who are you to critize him""...."Post one of your videos"... "How many constests you won"" ?....if you want to be somebody.....stop to use those "cliche" silly phrases.
In places like this, you never have an idea who is who into a nickname.
"I am done discussing with you"...fooo...
Are you a gay ?
Brendel is the example of low level musician , but a product for snob and pretencious people
You bend over and I'll show you who's gay! Amateur? Don't think so with three degrees in music. But why am I discussing anything with you. You are obviously a moron to think that Brendel is a "low level musician". I'll bet you think Lang Lang is the best pianist. Oh, no, wait maybe its R. Clayderman. Dumbass!
First of all i consider "lanlan" the lowest level of human being with the most repulsive behavior towards music.
Brendel is not a low level musician (learn to read ) , but is a media trained pianist but very intelligent to make think a media to lower brain size people as you ...he is great.
Be happy with your GOD of "German music" ha ha ..and if you don´t want ......don´t make "any discussion with me" ....
It is apparent to all around here that you are the perfect idiot. My dog knows more music than you.Not only that but you are a psycho as well. You write 'Brendel is the example of low level musician" then you say "Brendel is not a low level musician (learn to read )" . Psycho! Go see a shrink and make EVERYBODY a favor. LEAVE YOUTUBE!
or it could be that for Mr Brendel playing Lizst entails a different range of associations: one far removed from and not quite as easily verbalized as that pile of shopsoiled cliches to which you adhere in such ardent and categorical a fashion
individual performers might hold to very particular views re which style is appropriate for this or that composer, mind you. I've heard talk of Richter's playing Schubert as though it were Prokofiev; or of Gilels doing a Schumannesque appropriation of Scarlatti etc. your "liszt is liszt" is a fine example of a useless proposition, as it belies your blithe conviction that there is smth out there called "lizst" to which you have unmediated access, and which is forever identical with itself
unjustly harsh criticism imho. it's true that Brendel cannot quite match the grand scale pianism you get from the likes of Horowitz, Gilels, Richter and Argerich; nevertheless, for me, it's teeming with unrepeatable musical insights
Well after listening to both, albeit with less than the original high fidelity of the originals, I still like the '81 slightly better, but not as much as I thought I had in the past. But '81's does sound slightly less mannnered and forced , however the '81 final octave section seems slower than the '92 version. The ending on the '81 to me is more otherworldly than the '92 version which is a big plus also, concluding with a beautiful deep throaty gong on the '81 that I really like.
Thanks FA. and also GiovanniEMB, I used to have the '81 recording and this one and I thought I preferred it although Brendel says he likes this one, so I'll listen to both tonight and see if that is still my feeling.
I put on my channel the old 1981 recording. I am not absolutely a fan but the slow motion of ending octaves is surprising in 1992's version. Musically 1992 sound better and give a better idea of Listz's retoric.
Well, he plays the notes in the right order. Not sure if I could think of any other positives about this though.
wayneredhart 1 year ago
bravo ! this is pure liszt.
kempff95 2 years ago
Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh \so pure.
LOL
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
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Chingas a tu puta madre pendejo hijo de puta. es todo lo que tengo que decir imbecil
pgjim00 2 years ago
Both Shilloshillos and lokopiano, you two are on the verge if not already in desperate need of sedatives. You two are straight jacket material. It is a youtube video and the two of you have started an all out WAR over a musical piece. Please for the love of meunster, swiss, pepperjeack and everything else holy...PLEASE stop the bickering over Alfred Brendel, before men in little white coats start chasing the two of you with nets! You're both giving me gas!
melvined 2 years ago
Sorry you were upset over that. Me too. You may have seen that I tried to stay out of it, but someone wouldn't let go and used very rude and offensive expressions that couldn't be left unanswered. Sorry again to have entered a discussion with that particular moron. I am definitely not going to continue.
shilloshillos 2 years ago 4
There's nothing more fucking annoying than these miserable twats on youtube who suggest the most obscure crappy players all the time on the comments pages of videos of real masters. Dickheads.
davidgray2 2 years ago
Greatest interpretation, intellectually as well as physically & sonically, of this masterpiece. Brendel plays with chisellled, granite-like tone & total grasp of the dramatic & cumulative demand of this sonata. Listen to precise cut-and-pedalling in octave ascents/descents, expansive tone in lyrical sections, glittering yet tender filigree. Overall conception and pefrmance places it in a literaray and artistic context for all time along with the best that Goethe and Shakespeare can offer.
TomOwen77 2 years ago
@TomOwen77 - well put!
alesiacoxbey09 1 year ago
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The prinicpal limitation of this pisnist is his small understanding of polyphony.
The last part of this Sonata requieres it, and of course he has not the tools to make it.
IS a very rare old LP of one of biggest versions of it. The pianist is Arturo Moreryra Lima A Brasilian who get the third prize ( he really deserved the 1st ) in the Tcahikowsky competition at the end of 60s ( don´t remember exactly the year right now. )Look that Brenedl , he even can´t count the beats . what a bluff.
lokopiano 2 years ago
Brendel's main weakness is his lack of good tone and his stiffness.... I dont know about polyphony..... but otherwise he is a decent pianist
koobird 2 years ago
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Chingas a tu puta madre pendejo hijo de puta. es todo lo que tengo que decir imbecil
pgjim00 2 years ago
The fugue doesn't sound Mephistophelian enough to me. Lacking agitation. His touch in the following section is monotonal as well. Sorry ,but not liking this.
Haeronthegreat 2 years ago
Well...........at least it sounds better than his normal plain playing.
It doesn´t mean in anyway this performance is nice.
lokopiano
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
Brendel's Liszt is always less virtuosic and more intellectual and musical. Works in the mid to late works, maybe not so much for the etudes, rhapsodies etc. in any case, he is a genius of gigantic proportions.
shilloshillos 3 years ago
gigantic proportions ?????????? plop ¡¡¡
gigantic masturbation maybe. He never... ever....... had even a great loud sound.
gigantic are the froggie faces he use to make.
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
You, my friend, are obsessed with your "member". Why don't you go do something about it, to "get it off" your mind. Don't forget to use tissues. Brendel is a great pianist, he got awarded big time for his Liszt. Who are YOU to criticize him. Obviously a nobody with no musical taste or understanding. I am done discussing with you.
shilloshillos 2 years ago
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You are obviosuly an amateur.
Fame doesn´t mean greatness. First golden rule..
" Who are you to critize him""...."Post one of your videos"... "How many constests you won"" ?....if you want to be somebody.....stop to use those "cliche" silly phrases.
In places like this, you never have an idea who is who into a nickname.
"I am done discussing with you"...fooo...
Are you a gay ?
Brendel is the example of low level musician , but a product for snob and pretencious people
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
You bend over and I'll show you who's gay! Amateur? Don't think so with three degrees in music. But why am I discussing anything with you. You are obviously a moron to think that Brendel is a "low level musician". I'll bet you think Lang Lang is the best pianist. Oh, no, wait maybe its R. Clayderman. Dumbass!
shilloshillos 2 years ago 2
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That`s the prove you are nobody in music.
First of all i consider "lanlan" the lowest level of human being with the most repulsive behavior towards music.
Brendel is not a low level musician (learn to read ) , but is a media trained pianist but very intelligent to make think a media to lower brain size people as you ...he is great.
Be happy with your GOD of "German music" ha ha ..and if you don´t want ......don´t make "any discussion with me" ....
mommy...that lokopiano is bad
ha ha
lokopiano 2 years ago
It is apparent to all around here that you are the perfect idiot. My dog knows more music than you.Not only that but you are a psycho as well. You write 'Brendel is the example of low level musician" then you say "Brendel is not a low level musician (learn to read )" . Psycho! Go see a shrink and make EVERYBODY a favor. LEAVE YOUTUBE!
shilloshillos 2 years ago 3
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Is a real problem to deal with a persons like you with that kind of hysterical homosexual behavior.
If i am a perfect idiot at least...... i am perfect in something.
You are an imperfect hysterical homosexual and/or similar stupid and bizarre thing.
Everybody is too much. What do you thing your thinking is everybody thinking ? Piece of nothing?.
Go to cry to your mom, but not here asshole.
lokopiano.
lokopiano 2 years ago
Make everybody a favor>
Leave your mom.
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
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Chingas a tu puta madre pendejo hijo de puta. es todo lo que tengo que decir imbecil
pgjim00 2 years ago
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No ......please .
WONTON or lanlan.....or the same shit , is a piece ofshit.
At least Brendel , despite his pianistic limitations, is really more serious than that fucking shit (wonton).\
lokopiano
lokopiano 2 years ago
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Chingas a tu puta madre pendejo hijo de puta. es todo lo que tengo que decir imbecil
pgjim00 2 years ago
or it could be that for Mr Brendel playing Lizst entails a different range of associations: one far removed from and not quite as easily verbalized as that pile of shopsoiled cliches to which you adhere in such ardent and categorical a fashion
punkpoetry 3 years ago
individual performers might hold to very particular views re which style is appropriate for this or that composer, mind you. I've heard talk of Richter's playing Schubert as though it were Prokofiev; or of Gilels doing a Schumannesque appropriation of Scarlatti etc. your "liszt is liszt" is a fine example of a useless proposition, as it belies your blithe conviction that there is smth out there called "lizst" to which you have unmediated access, and which is forever identical with itself
punkpoetry 3 years ago
unjustly harsh criticism imho. it's true that Brendel cannot quite match the grand scale pianism you get from the likes of Horowitz, Gilels, Richter and Argerich; nevertheless, for me, it's teeming with unrepeatable musical insights
punkpoetry 3 years ago
Well after listening to both, albeit with less than the original high fidelity of the originals, I still like the '81 slightly better, but not as much as I thought I had in the past. But '81's does sound slightly less mannnered and forced , however the '81 final octave section seems slower than the '92 version. The ending on the '81 to me is more otherworldly than the '92 version which is a big plus also, concluding with a beautiful deep throaty gong on the '81 that I really like.
Discerninator 3 years ago
Thanks FA. and also GiovanniEMB, I used to have the '81 recording and this one and I thought I preferred it although Brendel says he likes this one, so I'll listen to both tonight and see if that is still my feeling.
Discerninator 3 years ago
I put on my channel the old 1981 recording. I am not absolutely a fan but the slow motion of ending octaves is surprising in 1992's version. Musically 1992 sound better and give a better idea of Listz's retoric.
GiovanniEMB 3 years ago
Impresionante!!!!!!
anfalagu 3 years ago