I erroneously stated that the WH pdf contains the signature of Adobe Paper Capture Plug-In. It does not. (I forgot that I ran OCR on my copy of the pdf several months ago.)
The Obama pdf was also processed with OCR. Acrobat's OCR module left its signature in the pdf file. I opened the file, which I originally downloaded on April 25, 2011, using UltraEdit. In the file I found the following code; "Producer>Adobe Acrobat 9.44 Paper Capture Plug-in".
@peter47739 that makes sense, I find "pdf:Producer : Adobe Acrobat 9.4.4 Image Conversion Plug-in" in my example file. Several people have observed that Acrobat X delivers somewhat different results, so it makes sense that version 9.4 was involved.
Adobe Illustrator Manual states and I quote "Linked artwork is connected to, but remains independent of, the document...."
The single most damning fact about Obama's BC is the fact the document contains "Links" (not layers) but "Links" that were imported, rotated DIFFERENT ways (some 90 degrees and some negative 90 Degrees), and transformed (resized) at different percentages.
Adobe would have to re-write their manual for you to debunk that.
@redemption6209 This video is about debunking the "LAYERS!" conspiracy theory. Many other conspiracy theoiries have been spread and debunkend months ago. Not all by me (it's not my job). However, I have debunked your recycled "LINKS!" conspiracy theory in my video called "Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks". Months ago. Old hat.
Adobe doesn't have to rewrite anything. You have to rewrite your obsolete script from Conspiracy Central.
Explaining the layers is one thing but you can also see the writing is different on some parts and appears to have been filled in with a computer. Explain that one pal! You can tell the signature of Ann D is real writing but the rest is filled in. Also its not just dates that appear on certain layers its certain numbers and they also appear to be different shades and fonts.
Nice, Obama space lizard thing at the end. Typical straw man tactic. Anyone who believes in conspiracies is a loon!
It's evident that you worship the ground he floats over and there fore you have no objectivity. You are as foolish here as his floated idea of government for himself, by himself and of himself. It's shrinking pretty fast and becoming smaller by the minute. Why don't you crowd inside with him and see just how comfy you get?
This guy makes a pretty good case, but his obvious hate toward the so called birthers and his sarcasm bring question to his results. Not a scientific attitude even if his techniques are true. He has an agenda...it drips from his verbiage so even though his explanation sounds pretty good, his hatred toward the "opposition" might have skewed his results.
Thank you nyatagarl, I checked out the AP 'straight scan' version. My understanding is that this the AP document is merely a straight scan of a printed out .pdf offered from the whitehouse website though. Is that not true? Is the AP version a scan of the actual document itself?
By the way, the residue bleeding through the AP version appears to match up with Obama's 'short form'. I saw other videos using color filtering to show that. I don't think that really means anything though.
@havardofflint - if you flatten the WH pdf of course layers are gone but you still have those effects like solid black letters mixed with grayscale ones. You don't have that in the AP pdf, and if you rescan a print of the WH version you would still see evidence of that . Karl Denninger agreed in his video that the AP version looks exactly what a genuine scan should look like. HIs thesis I guess is that they separately forged a paper version and scanned that.
@havardofflint cont'd however I don't see the logic of that; why create a high quality paper forgery and have that scanned in a convincing way, and then create a crude digital forgery on top of that instead of scanning the near-perfect paper forgery twice? Karl Denninger never answered how that would make sense. My guess is that there were no separate two forgeries but one document. AP released a straight scan. Somebody in the WH did stupid and unnecessary optimization. Internet shitstorm ensues
7. And lastly....if he released this processed document, and it doesn't actually help in proving authenticity. He may as well just re-release the original without process, or better yet release the paper document to forensic analysis as would be done in any other legal investigation into the authenticity of a document. He isn't worried about hiding the information of the document for privacy reasons. So why not release an unaltered original so we can worry about more important things. Thx :)
@havardofflint lol yeah releasing an uncompressed TIFF right out of a high resolution drum scanner would perhaps have avoided some unnecessary commotion.
As it is, look at the AP version to get an ideo how a straight scan looks.
If anybody actually did want to forge such a document, they would dot that prior to scanning, though
6. Having a legal background to know that these types of processes to an electrical document invalidate it as a proof of authenticity in a court of law (any modern lawyers who deal in bulk documents use such optimization processes for archival searching, but we know such processed documents cant be used to submit for authenticity), and having the technical and public relation masters at his beck and call, he should have known better to not release this as proof.
4. By submitting it to an "Optimize Scan" process, you do open the door for making manual alterations to the material substance of the document that could appear identically to how the automatic alterations are made.
5. The release of this processed/altered document for proving the authenticity of the document not being manufactured, really doesn't do that, so questioning the authenticity of an original complete document is still at least reasonable.
Nyatnagarl, assuming the document was processed as you describe can you admit:
1. An original is indeed altered by the optimize scanning process
2. Furthermore you are unable to tell if the tampering/alteration of this document was automatic and only for cosmetic effect or whether the substance was materially altered manually.
3. Considering that the document was submitted only to prove its authenticity, there is no utility or good reason to have either OCR-ed or 'Optimize Scanned' it.
Whether it was OCR'ed or 'Optimized Scanned', it's an unnecessary alteration. The only thing that is shown is that an actual alteration was done. This neither proves nor disproves 'tampering'. It proves that alteration/tampering DID occur. It is unknown whether the tampering was automatic, or whether a forger used this and tampered such as orangegold1 did. It still begs the question of why the released file was altered/optimized if submitted for authenticity.
The argument of the video here is the document was indeed altered and in such a way that manual manipulation of the of the document could easily have taken place and is indistinguishable from auto-cosmetic correction. But, there is no proof the manipulation wasn't automatic and just for cosmetic effect, so we should all just assume this document presented for authenticity, which we all agree was altered, was only altered for cosmetic effect and automatically cuz the party submitting it says so.
It just makes no sense to OCR a document that you are submitting to prove authenticity. Law understands and proceduralizes this. OCR is useful to help search large volumes of documents for specific text, but it alters the document so that authenticity can not be verified. OCRing this document is pointless. This administration has to be knowledgeable of such obvious things. I wish Obama would stop stoking the fire so we can just all get past this. Just release the original so we can move on
Assuming that some OCR software was used on this document before release, why would they do that? OCR alters the document. It also creates a method of easy manipulation. The premise of this argument is that, the document WAS altered but not necessarily forged even though it was altered in such a way that forgery would be easier and untraceable.
UK law disallows OCRed documents to prove authenticity for this very reason (Civil Procedure Rules Practice Direction 31B Paragraph 34).USA doesnt?
How can you explain the Difference in the Parent Signature? The "D" and the Rest of it?
Why does the "Custom Font Replacement" just happen to be with only 2 "B"'s and not with any other letter during Scan Optimisation?And further more the letter "B" isn't even replaced with a custom Letter,because the letter is totally "unsmooth".
@HousekaterClaudio I explain the principle how this works here. To reproduce every detail you would need the exact hardware, the exact software, and the exact source document as used. What I do here is show that the kind of effects you see in that PDF are be created by such an optimization.
It's up to you to decide if you want to continue staring at each pixel in that PDF forever.
Oh and then there's the AP version to look at :) (you don't get that by flattening the WH version)
Well,you get it by flattening the WH Version.It no wonder,that american citizens are questioning Obama's story. Obama broke nearly every promise he gave since his electionruined US economy even more and is responsible of 1000's of Deaths.
I'm a MS in Computer Science & i know a little of image processing.Your videos are o.k., but there are still some technically very strange points as i mentioned.When millions of people are scanning something it is a homogenous scan.Here its NOT
@HousekaterClaudio No you don't get the AP version by flattening the WH version. Just try it. For example the AP version has all the chromatic aberration, and the letters + checkboxes are not identical.
If you flatten the WH version the chromatic aberration is not suddenly recreated and teh checkboxes do not suddenly become different. The simple answer is, the AP version is closer to the original document, it wasn't optimized. You can't "unoptimize" no more than you can unscramble eggs.
I worked in a print shop for YEARS and YEARS! I worked with all kinds of documents. I worked with all kinds of graphics. I worked with MANY different programs to open documents and graphics. I did scanning of documents and scanning of graphics. I opened this PDF in a few different programs. From what I see, (and I did try and stay neutral) this is a total FAKE! You don't scan a document and run it in a OCR program. You scan it to create a graphic. Unless you plan to edit it. FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!
explain why 2 signatures are missing and a seal ? 3 different pixel sizes prove 3 layers, background doesn't belong . what lame ass excuse do you have for that ?
thx for the explanation. It absolutely makes more sense this way. But I think it's a bit strange use such techniques on documents that should proof something. That way they could have easily altered the document and it would be very hard to proof it. I'm not saying that it is fake and I actually don't care that much. But I think they should just put a clean scan on the page and show the document on camera :)
I don't get it why obama didnt show it right from the beginning.
### EVERYONE ### To better understand what is going on, google this
"adobe clearscan pdf replace outlines"
and read the "Acrobat for Legal Professionals" document from blogs dot adobe dot com that comes up.
It's all in there including that letterns are turned identical and why it's "sort of like OCR" but "not like normal OCR" and doesn't give you the editable system fonts.
All this weirdness is really by design of that algorithm!
Great video. I agree, there's much more to talk about with Obama's lies and deception than to focus on this. If I were the dem's I would love for people to focus on this tiny issue and take the public's attention off his real problems.
@spankula123 My opinion on Obama is mostly just "meh". But that doesn't matter; don't like him, try to vote him out of office next year. Reading tea leaves, casting spells or peeping pixels in PDFs is not going to make him *pop* and vanish.
Interesting video. However your explanation doesn't explain how the layers have links that record how they were manipulated from the source document eg rotated and expanded before being inserted into the final document. Surely optimisation could not create a false history of the inserted elements?
@Zooney1 - See my second video called "Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks" - watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc - it shows how these elements are generated. The reason for that is using a "mixed raster compression" algorithm for optimisation. google that term "mixed raster compression" and the first result will be a PDF from Xerox Corp. explaining it.
@firsak This was done with the actual Acrobat Professional and not Reader. Also it was Version 9.4.4. Acrobat X also has these processing options, but the entire UI has been reworked. Optimize and OCR seem to have been combined (which might explain some of the confusion about OCR).
Whether *any* of this can be done when you only have Reader I don't know. I do know that people have gotten similar results with Acrobat X.
@firsak cont'd since Adobe doesn't let you install two versions of Acrobat Pro side by side and i have a licensed CS5 suite which contains 9.4, I only have installed the trial version of Acrobat X on a secondary computer. So I haven't done so much work wiht Acrobat X Pro. Again, no idea if any of this works with the plain, free Reader, whether it's 9 or X
@xxNtGxx there's just way too many of those :) I can use the video as response only once. Spamming is an artform with these conspiracy theorists. Also video responses need to be approved usually :)
Give me the original paper file, same scanner, and same software as the WH has and then I could tell you aboutevery single pixel in that file.
What I'm doing here is showing what happens when you take a sample file and compare the results w/ Obama PDF. Obviously it's not 100% the same because it's not the same file. But there are so many interesting effects and similarities that it should start you thinking, that maybe there is a different explanation than what all the birthers are screaming.
@nyatnagarl, Even THAT wouldn’t work. To produce EXACTLY the same results, the paper would have to be laid onto the scanner in EXACTLY the same position and orientation, to a tiny fraction of the scanning accuracy (likely 1/300th of an inch). Furthermore, not one speck of dust can have landed on either the scanner glass nor the document itself, nor the scanner’s internal optics. Ditto fingerprints, ink smudging, etc.
Even then, there’s the CCD noise from the scanner sensors themselves.
If Obamas birth certificate had OCR in the coding already, you would be able to highlight individual words in the document. Also, If OCR was applied on the birth certificate, it would have more than just 7 layers. Do it yourself. If you apply OCR to it, the document would have over 20-30 layers and even layers that look like nothing was done to it.
@nyatnagarl I know it really helps if I really watched the video before commenting. Thank God I did though! I never was talking about what was happening in the video but telling someone who was claiming OCR did it. Also, it doesn't prove why the signature is all 1 color like the "D" is. If OCR or Optimize scan was applied, it would actually have a little pixel on the outside edges, unlike on the birth certificate. tell me why certain letters are very dull and others are perfectly clear?
dont pull the race card, it is fake!!, be a man and except it bro, he is lying to us again, and the law says that you must be born in US to be prez, if this gets proven 100% he should be kicked out of office. I don't get why did the WH post a pdf of it on their site, that was not flatten, with all the layers, with diff info in each layer, they should of just printed the fake they created and scan it and make a jpeg then posted the jpeg, they made it too easy to see it's a fake. Why so easy?
For those people who don't have Adobe Illustrator, the Long Form PDF file can be opened in the free Inkscape program. Select the image, click on Object--Ungroup, then Object--Mask--Release, then Object--Ungroup again. The objects (which are layered) may then easily be separated
If a person is attempting to convince the public that he is releasing a genuine image, why on earth would he use OCR or Image Optimization, both of which modify the original file?
@hurst198 - yeah. I've also used Inkscape. Also you can get a free 30-day trial of Illustrator off the adobe website.
About your quesion, here's my guess: the guy who did this was just an office guy. He dragged the scanned file onto (my guess) Adobe Acrobat X - WHICH WILL AUTOMATICALLY PROMPT YOU by DEFAULT asking "is this a scanned file, do you want to Optimize and OCR?" - he clicked "Yes" like 99% of people would - BOOM there you have it. Save as PDF, publish, => shitstorm.
That is very persuasive info,.....But, Obama’s is only 9 layers not the 50+ like this one. Others have scanned in a copy of Obama's, optimized it and used OCR. It also breaks down to 50+ layers that don’t do anything noticeable when turned off. willsloanonline has a video where he does this, but fails to show what the layers consist of ... which is nothing.
@explorerhot - that's why it's called OPTIMIZATION all scanned files are inherently different, you can scan the same document twice and it may optimize it slight differently each time, it's all based on the distinct characteristics of the content, different settings produce different results, different hardware/software produce different results
Obama's breaks it down into almost perfect layers and individual elements. One for the green back ground, one for the certification stamp, and so on., as seen here /watch?v=ZCjAmEgjkUc The guy on this video did what you just did and turned of the layers on the new document off and it does nothing like Obama’s copy.
@explorerhot If you watch this video you will see that I get almost perfect separation of my sample document. Things like dates, checkboxes, official seals etc. get separated out perfectly.
@explorerhot - the video is EXACTLY wht Obama's doc does. If it's a fake, why is the "comma" in Obama's birthdate a layer? Why is the "M" in the time "P.M" a layer?
Another used Corel draw and found the creator of Obama BC cleaned up some black spots on one of the layers . They used a graphics program to paint each individual black pixels white leaving the dots there just changing the color to match the back ground
@explorerhot read the PDF that comes up when you google "Mixed Raster Compression Xerox".
The fallacy in your statement is that you say "the creator cleand up... they painted..." etc, you don't know that.. You just find the layers with these dots. It's only of you already have a foregone conlcusion that you can now talk a bout the "Creator" having done this. I
In another layer it shows the green back ground layer is scanned in color, all the other layers are scanned in monochrome (black & white). If was only scanned once.. how did it scan in color and monochrome (b&w) at the same time? here’s that link /watch?v=Up62cFOtvQ4
@explorerhot - you can see this for instance in the 3rd video. Also google "Mixed Raster Compression Xerox" and read the PDF that comes up - this is the kind of algorithm tha is used.
it doesn't "scan" in color and monochrome at the same time. It converts the file into different bits that can be color or monochrome according to whar they represent. It's explained in the PDF with examples.
I have filed a Petition of Objection with the State of Kansas. They will obtain a copy of Obama's long form. They will not accept any document without an embossed dept of health seal. On Obama's COLB they went to great lengths to show in detail the embossed seal.
Show me by any means created on this PDF long form an embossed seal from the Department of Health and why is it so evidently clear that it is not present on this document. One must be able to feel the seal with your hand
Awesome work on all the vids... I have linked your channel and vids from my vid, as I don't have the time to create new vids for the demands I've received. You've done all of the work already so I figured it'd be best to direct them your way. Thanks!
Here's what has me scratching my head, you may or may not know that the so-called dark areas of obamas BC are in vector art...that it, it is not comprised of pixels like a JPEG. In your video when you chose the OCR it took areas that had poor resolution and made a vector interpretation of it and replaced it. Fine but did you also notice that it makes a softer and rounder version,,,like what always happens(as far as I know) when you convert raster art to vector. The vector in obamas is squared
Nice try, but every document I run the "Optimize Scan" function on it breaks the background up into many pieces, even if the background is a solid color.
OCR replaces letters that it reads with perfect Adobe fonts. This is NOT what we see in Obama's bald-faced fraudulent offering to the American people.
@DivineFellowship Look in the video at 3:20 - after "Optimize Scan", saving this as PDF, and looking at the PDF in Illustrator - like people are looking at the Obama BC PDF - I see even more than 10 layers. Also note that this was *not* OCR.
Why are you bringing up race? Obama has failed many stated goals (clsoe Gitmo, less wars), the Nobel Prize was a bad joke, and the monetary policy has been a continuing disaster. Nevertheless, layers in the PDF don't prove his BC is forged.
10+ layers are not auto-created by during a scan. Nobody has been able to demonstrate that theory. A career professional who wrote Adobe user manuals debunked this at TheSmokingGun-dot-com. In the OCR theory the program would substitute perfect Adobe fonts for letters it recognized. This is not what we see. Is it some kind of religion? That a Perfect Man has been found? And it's because Black? (Half). Is it some kind of White guilt neurosis that has you covering for a nation-wrecker's outrage?
@DivineFellowship As the PDF file released by the White House contains only a single layer, the absence of multiple layer on any scanned document is meaningless.
There was not any reason to use OCR but good try agent. When the water gets this muddy it is always because of the absence of truth. Obama / Soetoro is a lying SS number steeling satanic scum bag who, by-the-way, still has all of our troops involved in the same immoral and illegal wars that he promised to end. Wakey wakey sleeple. Turn off your TV zombie and think for yourself.
OCR is on by default for most newer scanners when converting to PDF. It's not a matter of "reason to use", simply that it is on when scanning straight to PDF.
Next time you want to prattle off like an idiot, learn logic first. It might keep some of the immense stupidity at bay.
@PrognatusSeptem In fact no OCR was even used in this video. I explore OCR in the 3rd video.
"illegal wars" - It was not "illegal" for Bush to go into Afghanistan after 9-11 (ever heard of self-defence?). It's not clear that it's illegal for Obama to continue. The strikes in Pakistan are dubious but they seem to occur in cooperation with the Pakistani government. The Libyan intervention seems to be stretching the bounds of the "legalizing" UN resolution. Well, Iraq, no argument.
Analyzed your posit: it FAILS! (A) Your plausible use of your redacted German Passport--to garner kudos for your "cleverness"; thinking outside-of-the-box: spent and clique tactic -- sans LOGIC :: Tells us that you would merely need to have REPLICATED the FED GOV's very process, as CONTROL; (B) FLATTEN and "SAVE AS" the so-called OBAMA FILE, and AFRESH, simply reprocess it, using your OCR app: itself; (C) should yield a similar/akin file structure; (D) POST '67 SELECTRIC TYPE!(E)Errant!
You have to beat them in the head with that repeatedly. Otherwise they won't believe. Or maybe they will never believe.. They got their own birth certificate from Kenya
@wongster41 Dunno if its "100% SCANNED". Obviously something was done to it after scanning - at the very least, some optmization process and export to PDF. What I'm trying to show is that so far, all examples of "special features" in the PDF that are presented as "proof" that the file was deliberatly forged, with false data entered onto another person's birth certificate, numbers added etc, can also be explained by simple optimization processes in Adobe. This also applies to that video.
@nyatnagarl I understand what you're trying to show in this video. But the video i posted explains how the whole document was not 100% scanned (im not talking about the border either), but you can see clearly in some text there are not color fringes as the video noted, other text within the same word have it. OCR will not do this, and before you claim it does, i recommend you try duplicating it.
@wongster41 - I had never even heard of the color fringe discussion at the time I made this video. It is about the layers etc. I investigated the color fringes in my 3rd video which is linked from here. When I OCR the AP version of the Obama BC, there i get an example of one word "defringed" and the next one not. You can see it here: watch?v=hqoB7F9-wOM at about 10:10
@wongster41 Analyzed your posit: it FAILS!(A) Your plausible use of your redacted German Passport--to garner kudos for your "cleverness"; thinking outside-of-the-box: spent and clique tactic -- sans LOGIC :: Tells us that you would merely need to have REPLICATED the FED GOV's very process, as CONTROL;(B) FLATTEN and "SAVE AS" the so-called OBAMA FILE, and AFRESH, simply reprocess it, using your OCR app: itself;(C) should yield a similar/akin file structure;(D) POST '67 SELECTRIC TYPE!(E)Errant!
I tried following you procedure exactly, and the layering comes out different than in the copy the white house released. In the one you scanned and optimized, you end up with many "groups" under "Layer 1", in the one the white house released, you end up with many "groups" UNDER "group" under Layer 1. So, your video has proved nothing, in fact, it actually opposes your claim that it is not tampered.
@onlywanttruth So there is one more layer of nesting in those automatically created groups? With all other features being similar? - The importance of this video is that it shows having individual numbers, dates, stamps and signatures as separate Illustrator objects in an optimized scan does not mean they were typed/pasted in later. They can also be automatically generated. So having these in the Obama PDF also does not "prove" they were typed in later.
@nyatnagarl Yes and yes, I agree. However, this video attempts to show how a scanned document can end up inadvertently having the same layer structure and number of elements as the one released by the white house. The video then should result in that exact same structure and this video does not. In summary, my post is simply constructive criticism that if one is forming an argument, don't state it until it shows without a doubt what you are trying to argue.
@onlywanttruth - my aim is to show that if you can produce the kinds of features you see in the Obama PDF by simple processes, then finding those things in the Obama PDF does not "show without a doubt" that it is a forgery.
However the internet abounds with people saying exactly that: That these features show "without a doubt" it's forged.
Why is that OK and my argument not?
I could only attempt to reproduce everything in the Obama PDF by 100% if I had exactly the same material to work with.
@nyatnagarl I think you have shown rather well that the existence of all these clippings most likely result from optimizations. However, the location of where these clippings "end up" is just as important as why they exist and all other file attributes if we are to discuss the possibility of tampering. With the procedure you detailed, and I followed, the clippings end up "one level" deep and your ignoring of this hierarchical discrepancy discredits your authority on the issue.
@imcrazy85 - yes. Original: In Hawaii. Copy made. Probably printed out again on security pattern paper. Scanned (replicated to a digital file). Optimized in Acrobat or comparable. Uploaded (copied) from scanning computer to the WH website... downloaded from there to your computer.
So it might be a digital copy of a digital copy of a digital replica of a copy of a copy of the original :)
As long as the dates/names/numbers on it are identical to what the State Registrar certified that's OK.
@nyatnagarl the image we look at is the copy of the original, copied then scanned.your argument of putting a copy on security paper is well dumb.we are just looking at a pic we dont have it in our hands lol nor would it be accepted from anyone unless it was in our hands on security paper.we only ask for a copy of the original to be shown.not a copy of a scanned copy of a copied original:) you know an abstract :) and no one can compare what the reg. has in hi to see if anything matches
@imcrazy85 As I know the procedure, a Registrar will produce ONE certified copy, or one set of copies, at one event. They will not mass-produce them for mass mailings to all households. This is because the idea is that the Registrar personally witnesses the event and certifies it. So if you mass-reproduce that you inevitably end up with a copy.
@imcrazy85 CONT'd now if the data on that copy are different than on the BC in HI <ou would need a very large conspiracy going on for a very long time.
@nyatnagarl i dont think you understood not that we want or ask for them in our hands. we dont want it in our hands nor would any establishment accept it unless its himself showing it so the step taken to put a copy of a copy etc... on security paper makes zero sense and no necesity for it.we just wanted to see on tv or on a web page an abstract or a certified original copy ofcourse that would mean the surrounding paper would be blank in that case not all that mess
THANK YOU. The ONLY SANE, DEFINITIVE, MATURE, and GENUINE EXPERT CLIP ON THE ILLUSTRATOR OBAMA BC FIASCO!!! Disclaimer: I don't even like Obama!! He is a military puppet. But this issue is diverting the real problems of the country right now.
Thanks for the video! It's just Quartz PDFContext at work.
But think about this: They fly a lawyer to Hawaii and back to get this document and then hand it off to who? an intern? to scan it for the world's consumption. Ugh.
This obviously shows how desperate we need a system to be standardized to verify who was actually born here and who wasn't. Because what would this nation be if we actually didn't know who was born where? I cannot think of anythig more important than someone who didn't pop out of their mom's vag over Amurrican soil. Obviously the people who live here but not born here are 100% 2nd class. The Constitution is better than the Bible, and we have to follow it or we will go to tyranny hell!!!
Thank fucking god!!! Finally someone who has an idea of what they're talking about. I'm so tired of hearing these racist assholes pretending like they know what they're talking about, even though they probably need their grandchildren to help them get on the internet. Not that it matters. You could jump in a time machine and bring a birther back to the delivery of Obama and they still wouldn't be convinced.
The Optimize function correctly identified the date, and the ink in the checkbox. That's correct, because they were different colors, different textures. On the Obama Birth Certificate, characters that are supposed to be the same color, and the the same texture, are quite different. Why would that be?
So far I have never dealt with clicking the "OCR" menu. only with the single click on "Optimize Scan".
It turns out remaining "fraud proofs" like 'Chromatic Aberration' have a simple explanation if you do two clicks to "nice up" the scan - Optimize and ClearScan OCR.
It makes sense that people in an organization do that automatically because it increases the searchability of archived documents.
So basically it's a two click standard operating procedure.
I can't disput your knowledge of AI or other software you use. The German BC has a uniform background, if I changed this how would anyone know, if I simply changed data and ran a copy on a copier how would one tell, it would just be a layer?
On Obama's BC it has a colored safety background, but the body of the BC has a different texture when magnified, if I had a document ocr scanned how could it give the background one texture and the body of the BC another texture
@WichitaTankman See my other video where a commentor has helpful hints on the background issue. Of course you could change the background!
PDFs like this should never be taken as "proof" of anything. The "proof" is in the statement of the State Registrar, Alvin T. Onaka. Once you digitize the document, if you don't have a digital signature etc, it could always be altered. The point of my videos is that the elements in the PDF discussed so far look like the result of a normal process.
No matter if this document has been manipulated by hand or automatically by software, the document HAS BEEN TAMPERED. It's a simple fact. Such thing has no right to be in scan that is supposed to convince people that Obama indeed was born in Hawaii. If it's a scan, it should be pixel-by-pixel identical, preferably saved using non-lossy compression.
@mcvspam Essentially the PDF on the whitehouse.gov site is a PR measure only. What is "supposed to convince" people is that there is a birth certificate on archive in Hawaii that was certified by the State Registrar. Until a nationwide system of digitally signed forms is in place in the US no "scan" can be a medium of proof anyway.
I am an Art Director and I downloaded the birth certificate from the White House. You are so full of it and you created your own fake. I downloaded the Birth Certificate from the White House. I opened the certificate in Acrobat and selected optimize scanned document, as you did. I then opened in illustrator and there are NO layers. You can't change a scanned image into layers. If the pdf was created in a program InDesign, then it would be in layers, but not from an image scanned using
@kandco100 - first of all, the "argument from authority" doesn't count. Being a self-proclaimed "Art Director" does not give your opinion more weight. Either you did not watch or understand the video. You aren't supposed to re-process the finished PDF. You scan a paper document and process that. Otherwise, just read the page on the National Review that is mentioned, they get it. Maybe they are better at explaining this to "Art Directors". Is your "Art Director Certificate" forged BTW?
@nyatnagarl To say, "an argument from authority doesn't count" is as ridiculous as saying a lawyer's opinion on a legal issue has no weight. I did scan a paper document and selected "optimize scanned file" in Acrobat Pro and then opened in Illustrator. I did not have any layers. I also do not have layers when I opened the Obama Birth Certificate.
@kandco100 It is a basic principle of logic that an argument based only on authority doesn't count. If the lawyer's opinion is wrong, the fact that he is a lawyer will nit make it right and he WILL lose your case for you in court, screaming "But I'm a lawyer! I have to be right" will not work.
Obviously otherwise everything Obama says would be right because he's the president!
You can see the "layers" only in Illustrator, not in Photoshop. They are not "layers" in the PS sense.
@nyatnagarl Someone who works in the field full time would have more authority over a non-professional. I did open in Illustrator. I can see multiple groups from layer 1, but not actual layers. If I select a group, it will show clipping paths and images. Selecting these individual paths or images will sometimes select text or a box in the opened scanned file or certificate. The same is true of any scanned image, which for me says it doesn't mean the certificate is a fake.
@kandco100 A professional should have more experience and knowledge of the field. This knowledge should lead him to better judgement in his field - not his authority. If his judgement is false it doesnt help if he's a Professional or the President.
Otherwise we agree - these "groups" that are called "layers" because they show up in the "Layers" palette are NORMAL and do not expose the document as fake. They show up in many scanned documents. I will not say "all" bceause I don't have them all :)
@kandco100 for the definition of the logical fallacy of the "Argument from authority" just google "Argument from authority" and pick the Wikipedia link.
The most general structure of this argument is: 1. Source A says that p is true. 2. Source A is authoritative. 3. Therefore, p is true.
This is a fallacy because the truth or falsity of a claim is not related to the authority of the claimant, and because the premises can be true, and the conclusion false
This all makes sense but the background WAS put in afterward. Maybe the hospital does it, but they need to say so.
I'm a graphic designer and I know that Adobe would not copy that background so perfectly. It would have the same blank white spots that the lines and check marks do. It doesn't.
@aubreyda - the funny green background pattern was obviously dropped in later. It looks stupid and is unnecessary but it's not relevant to the discussion of what happens when you "optimize scan" in Adobe CS5
@nyatnagarl I think the green background is important because your video is called: "Obama Birth Certificate - Explanation + reproduction of so-called 'Tampering'". The green background does mean it's not 100% the original scan. Meaning it has been messed with regardless if it was for the reasons people were saying or not. There was some post editing, even if it was just to add in a background.
@aubreyda If you google "Snarky Bytes 1963 Certificate" you wil find a blogger who posted his 1998 certified copy of his birth certificate from 1963. It has the basketweave pattern. It has a much weaker curvature than the Obama cert - but noticeable, and showing also that the pattern does not follow the curvature. It's another example of the microfiche replicated to the basketweave pattern paper.
@aubreyda This curvature mismatch is generally because the original ledger doesn't carry the background, it comes from replicating the microfiche to the security pattern paper. The Nordyke twins example on the web is a photostat. It also shows the curvature. If you replicated that to the pattern paper you would get exactly the same effect as with the Obama cert. The pattern is also still visible in the AP version of the Obama cert if you look closely.
@aubreyda OK I understand the background now. I thought it was added later because it does not follow the curvature of the certificate. Now I realize that the certs are replicated from microfiche (Nordykle twins cert is example of photostat from that - therefore white on black text) and when you replicate from microfiche to the baskwetweave security paper, obviously the curvature is from the paper that was originally microfiched. The basketweave is from a sheet of security paper
NEWSFLASH: National Review Online, ( "America’s most widely read website for conservative opinion"), updated its story on the Obama PDF. They totally agree with me & follow the same procedure to demonstrate how the layers are created.
bit.ly /mA7CTL
They say, "You can try it yourself at home". That's what I say also. Don't make unsubstantiated claims or repeat what you hear - see and do for yourself. Evidence from a reproducible experiment is valid. Hearsay & propaganda is not.
1. I will delete comments containing insults as I please
2. The issue of this video is "What does it mean that there are layers in the PDF". I show how these layers can be created innocently. Any other claims regarding Obama's status are irrelevant to what is shown in this video, which is about the layering effect.
@tocardx - this is not about OCR. Watch this video, then read the comments on the other video - other there it is explained: "Has nothing to do with OCR. Print negative to paper, scan, open in ACROBAT and optimize for scan. Voila, lots of layers."
This video demonstrates that *you can create layers with individual info like dates separated out without ANY tampering* That is conclusive. Anything else that may or may not have been done is not relevant to this video.
@nyatnagarl That's not accurate. In order for OPTIMIZATION to separate the document into layers, isn't it RECOGNIZING what parts are CHARACTERS and putting them on different layers based on color VALUE?
It's not OCR in the sense that it's translating written characters into ASCII text... It's OCR in the raw sense that it's simply recognizing what is writing... and putting that on a different rasterized layer.
HOWEVER... His video is debating the optimization process. Please watch it.
@tocardx No it isn't recognizing what are characters. Watch my video. Look at the part where I show the dates and checkbox marks separated out. It doesn't recognize them as characters or crosses, it's just that being stamped ot handwritten they have a different shade of grey. You can see that the dark parts of the checkbox are NOT separated out because they fit in with the saturation of the background. No OCR, no characters, no recognition of writing, just segmentaiton into layers
@nyatnagarl See where I mentioned color value... and where you say " they have a different shade of grey"
Value is another word for tone... or... shades of gray. You clearly aren't listening. The guy titled his video OCR.... but he actually talks nothing about OCR in the video I linked to. That was my point.
He talks about externally linked files... and rotation and transform HISTORY attached to the file. That is what I would like to see debunked... nothing to do with OCR... Missing the point.
@tocardx you saild "recognizing which parts are characters" which entirely something different than value separation.
My demo file has clipping masks, links, rotation and transform history.
the point is, these other guys NEVER TRIED to make their own document and compare it. The reason for that is that they aren't interested in FINDING OUT (by experiment) but only want to spread propaganda (by making claims). If they had wanted to find out they would have made their own document for comparison.
@nyatnagarl I agree with you on your last paragraph.
"My demo file has clipping masks, links, rotation and transform history." My point is that I wish you had also showed that in your video. Obviously you don't HAVE to further debunk anyone or flesh out your already well put together argument / video any further... but sometimes even a busted myth deserves a revisit.
@tocardx - look I had no idea that "optimize Scan" creates all this weird stuff because I never use it normally. If i find the time I may post an additional video. However I will not run into the trap of tryin to debunk ever more ludicrous claims, that is the strategy of these people, they try to spam you with so many incredible claims until you give up simply because you have a life and can't devote 24/7 to debunking, and then they declare victory.
@nyatnagarl I hear you on that. I agree. This is the way of snake oil salesmen, and it has gone on forever. It will always go on though... However, while you can debunk forever, there is a point where it becomes so convoluted that the average person knows after a certain number of debunks... that something is just obviously not true. These external file links and what nots are present in the national review pdf. One solid debunk is all I needed. I can see how others might need one more nudge.
I erroneously stated that the WH pdf contains the signature of Adobe Paper Capture Plug-In. It does not. (I forgot that I ran OCR on my copy of the pdf several months ago.)
peter47739 7 months ago
@peter47739 so then we're back to not knowing exactly what software they used, except for the Apple/Quartz tag in the document.
nyatnagarl 7 months ago
The Obama pdf was also processed with OCR. Acrobat's OCR module left its signature in the pdf file. I opened the file, which I originally downloaded on April 25, 2011, using UltraEdit. In the file I found the following code; "Producer>Adobe Acrobat 9.44 Paper Capture Plug-in".
peter47739 7 months ago
@peter47739 that makes sense, I find "pdf:Producer : Adobe Acrobat 9.4.4 Image Conversion Plug-in" in my example file. Several people have observed that Acrobat X delivers somewhat different results, so it makes sense that version 9.4 was involved.
nyatnagarl 7 months ago
Links....Links.....Links....
Adobe Illustrator Manual states and I quote "Linked artwork is connected to, but remains independent of, the document...."
The single most damning fact about Obama's BC is the fact the document contains "Links" (not layers) but "Links" that were imported, rotated DIFFERENT ways (some 90 degrees and some negative 90 Degrees), and transformed (resized) at different percentages.
Adobe would have to re-write their manual for you to debunk that.
NOT LAYERS!
redemption6209 8 months ago
@redemption6209 This video is about debunking the "LAYERS!" conspiracy theory. Many other conspiracy theoiries have been spread and debunkend months ago. Not all by me (it's not my job). However, I have debunked your recycled "LINKS!" conspiracy theory in my video called "Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks". Months ago. Old hat.
Adobe doesn't have to rewrite anything. You have to rewrite your obsolete script from Conspiracy Central.
nyatnagarl 8 months ago
Explaining the layers is one thing but you can also see the writing is different on some parts and appears to have been filled in with a computer. Explain that one pal! You can tell the signature of Ann D is real writing but the rest is filled in. Also its not just dates that appear on certain layers its certain numbers and they also appear to be different shades and fonts.
Nice, Obama space lizard thing at the end. Typical straw man tactic. Anyone who believes in conspiracies is a loon!
PMnews1 8 months ago
It's evident that you worship the ground he floats over and there fore you have no objectivity. You are as foolish here as his floated idea of government for himself, by himself and of himself. It's shrinking pretty fast and becoming smaller by the minute. Why don't you crowd inside with him and see just how comfy you get?
videoshoot243 8 months ago 2
Haha, I like the space lizard comment!
bboyCritter 9 months ago
This guy makes a pretty good case, but his obvious hate toward the so called birthers and his sarcasm bring question to his results. Not a scientific attitude even if his techniques are true. He has an agenda...it drips from his verbiage so even though his explanation sounds pretty good, his hatred toward the "opposition" might have skewed his results.
karlfreddy 9 months ago 2
@karlfreddy obviously...
pandurism 9 months ago
Thank you nyatagarl, I checked out the AP 'straight scan' version. My understanding is that this the AP document is merely a straight scan of a printed out .pdf offered from the whitehouse website though. Is that not true? Is the AP version a scan of the actual document itself?
By the way, the residue bleeding through the AP version appears to match up with Obama's 'short form'. I saw other videos using color filtering to show that. I don't think that really means anything though.
havardofflint 9 months ago
@havardofflint - if you flatten the WH pdf of course layers are gone but you still have those effects like solid black letters mixed with grayscale ones. You don't have that in the AP pdf, and if you rescan a print of the WH version you would still see evidence of that . Karl Denninger agreed in his video that the AP version looks exactly what a genuine scan should look like. HIs thesis I guess is that they separately forged a paper version and scanned that.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@havardofflint cont'd however I don't see the logic of that; why create a high quality paper forgery and have that scanned in a convincing way, and then create a crude digital forgery on top of that instead of scanning the near-perfect paper forgery twice? Karl Denninger never answered how that would make sense. My guess is that there were no separate two forgeries but one document. AP released a straight scan. Somebody in the WH did stupid and unnecessary optimization. Internet shitstorm ensues
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@havardofflint Why not do the trick with the Obama cert?
bjrnrkssn 9 months ago
Your explanation is extremely shallow.
Please show "links" of individual pictures that were scaled and rotated prior to insertion. You can't...
Your scan only contains layers, and not seperate jpegs inserted into the document.
Please duplicat this and I will believe you.
cadmachinist 9 months ago
@cadmachinist - This is covered in the second video called
"Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks"
watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc
Other effects that have been reproduced using Clearscan by me and others include the letter & checkbox replacement.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
7. And lastly....if he released this processed document, and it doesn't actually help in proving authenticity. He may as well just re-release the original without process, or better yet release the paper document to forensic analysis as would be done in any other legal investigation into the authenticity of a document. He isn't worried about hiding the information of the document for privacy reasons. So why not release an unaltered original so we can worry about more important things. Thx :)
havardofflint 9 months ago
@havardofflint lol yeah releasing an uncompressed TIFF right out of a high resolution drum scanner would perhaps have avoided some unnecessary commotion.
As it is, look at the AP version to get an ideo how a straight scan looks.
If anybody actually did want to forge such a document, they would dot that prior to scanning, though
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
6. Having a legal background to know that these types of processes to an electrical document invalidate it as a proof of authenticity in a court of law (any modern lawyers who deal in bulk documents use such optimization processes for archival searching, but we know such processed documents cant be used to submit for authenticity), and having the technical and public relation masters at his beck and call, he should have known better to not release this as proof.
havardofflint 9 months ago
4. By submitting it to an "Optimize Scan" process, you do open the door for making manual alterations to the material substance of the document that could appear identically to how the automatic alterations are made.
5. The release of this processed/altered document for proving the authenticity of the document not being manufactured, really doesn't do that, so questioning the authenticity of an original complete document is still at least reasonable.
havardofflint 9 months ago
Nyatnagarl, assuming the document was processed as you describe can you admit:
1. An original is indeed altered by the optimize scanning process
2. Furthermore you are unable to tell if the tampering/alteration of this document was automatic and only for cosmetic effect or whether the substance was materially altered manually.
3. Considering that the document was submitted only to prove its authenticity, there is no utility or good reason to have either OCR-ed or 'Optimize Scanned' it.
havardofflint 9 months ago
Whether it was OCR'ed or 'Optimized Scanned', it's an unnecessary alteration. The only thing that is shown is that an actual alteration was done. This neither proves nor disproves 'tampering'. It proves that alteration/tampering DID occur. It is unknown whether the tampering was automatic, or whether a forger used this and tampered such as orangegold1 did. It still begs the question of why the released file was altered/optimized if submitted for authenticity.
havardofflint 9 months ago
The argument of the video here is the document was indeed altered and in such a way that manual manipulation of the of the document could easily have taken place and is indistinguishable from auto-cosmetic correction. But, there is no proof the manipulation wasn't automatic and just for cosmetic effect, so we should all just assume this document presented for authenticity, which we all agree was altered, was only altered for cosmetic effect and automatically cuz the party submitting it says so.
havardofflint 9 months ago
It just makes no sense to OCR a document that you are submitting to prove authenticity. Law understands and proceduralizes this. OCR is useful to help search large volumes of documents for specific text, but it alters the document so that authenticity can not be verified. OCRing this document is pointless. This administration has to be knowledgeable of such obvious things. I wish Obama would stop stoking the fire so we can just all get past this. Just release the original so we can move on
havardofflint 9 months ago
Assuming that some OCR software was used on this document before release, why would they do that? OCR alters the document. It also creates a method of easy manipulation. The premise of this argument is that, the document WAS altered but not necessarily forged even though it was altered in such a way that forgery would be easier and untraceable.
UK law disallows OCRed documents to prove authenticity for this very reason (Civil Procedure Rules Practice Direction 31B Paragraph 34).USA doesnt?
havardofflint 9 months ago
How can you explain the Difference in the Parent Signature? The "D" and the Rest of it?
Why does the "Custom Font Replacement" just happen to be with only 2 "B"'s and not with any other letter during Scan Optimisation?And further more the letter "B" isn't even replaced with a custom Letter,because the letter is totally "unsmooth".
HousekaterClaudio 9 months ago
@HousekaterClaudio I explain the principle how this works here. To reproduce every detail you would need the exact hardware, the exact software, and the exact source document as used. What I do here is show that the kind of effects you see in that PDF are be created by such an optimization.
It's up to you to decide if you want to continue staring at each pixel in that PDF forever.
Oh and then there's the AP version to look at :) (you don't get that by flattening the WH version)
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl
Well,you get it by flattening the WH Version.It no wonder,that american citizens are questioning Obama's story. Obama broke nearly every promise he gave since his electionruined US economy even more and is responsible of 1000's of Deaths.
I'm a MS in Computer Science & i know a little of image processing.Your videos are o.k., but there are still some technically very strange points as i mentioned.When millions of people are scanning something it is a homogenous scan.Here its NOT
HousekaterClaudio 9 months ago
@HousekaterClaudio Sorry, i meant you DONT get it, by flattening the WH version :-)
HousekaterClaudio 9 months ago
@HousekaterClaudio No you don't get the AP version by flattening the WH version. Just try it. For example the AP version has all the chromatic aberration, and the letters + checkboxes are not identical.
If you flatten the WH version the chromatic aberration is not suddenly recreated and teh checkboxes do not suddenly become different. The simple answer is, the AP version is closer to the original document, it wasn't optimized. You can't "unoptimize" no more than you can unscramble eggs.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
I worked in a print shop for YEARS and YEARS! I worked with all kinds of documents. I worked with all kinds of graphics. I worked with MANY different programs to open documents and graphics. I did scanning of documents and scanning of graphics. I opened this PDF in a few different programs. From what I see, (and I did try and stay neutral) this is a total FAKE! You don't scan a document and run it in a OCR program. You scan it to create a graphic. Unless you plan to edit it. FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!
brklynmd3 9 months ago
Nobody in their right mind would do anything but make a straight bit map of the thing. We want to see it. With flaws and all. DUH!
sounddoctorin 9 months ago
explain why 2 signatures are missing and a seal ? 3 different pixel sizes prove 3 layers, background doesn't belong . what lame ass excuse do you have for that ?
#FAIL#
PatriotRadioMilitia 9 months ago
thx for the explanation. It absolutely makes more sense this way. But I think it's a bit strange use such techniques on documents that should proof something. That way they could have easily altered the document and it would be very hard to proof it. I'm not saying that it is fake and I actually don't care that much. But I think they should just put a clean scan on the page and show the document on camera :)
I don't get it why obama didnt show it right from the beginning.
Blutg3il 9 months ago
Comment removed
TheSkalor 9 months ago
@TheSkalor so then you need to watch the second one
watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc
It demonstrates how Clipping Masks, Linked Objects, Transform/Scaling and Rotation History are automatically generated by Acrobat optimize Scan.
you can actually "see the magic happen" during the video.
And to understand the "B"s you need to read what Adobe says,
google "adobe clearscan pdf replace outlines"
and read the "Acrobat for Legal Professionals" document from blogs dot adobe dot com that comes up.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
Comment removed
TheSkalor 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl Soon as I posted my comment, I saw the second video and removed my comment. I apologise.
TheSkalor 9 months ago
### EVERYONE ### To better understand what is going on, google this
"adobe clearscan pdf replace outlines"
and read the "Acrobat for Legal Professionals" document from blogs dot adobe dot com that comes up.
It's all in there including that letterns are turned identical and why it's "sort of like OCR" but "not like normal OCR" and doesn't give you the editable system fonts.
All this weirdness is really by design of that algorithm!
NO CONSPIRACY REQUIRED CASE CLOSED.
###
nyatnagarl 9 months ago 4
Great video. I agree, there's much more to talk about with Obama's lies and deception than to focus on this. If I were the dem's I would love for people to focus on this tiny issue and take the public's attention off his real problems.
spankula123 9 months ago
@spankula123 My opinion on Obama is mostly just "meh". But that doesn't matter; don't like him, try to vote him out of office next year. Reading tea leaves, casting spells or peeping pixels in PDFs is not going to make him *pop* and vanish.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
#### UPDATE ####
I go questions about the issue of "Identical Letters" and seemingly "Cut and Pasted Checkboxes" in the document.
I went back & checked the BC I processed in this video. I also used a certificate available online. I found that optimize scan ACTUALLY DOES THAT.
While this seems surprising there is an explanation available online.
adobe DOT ly /kA7IGK
"matching characters are replaced with a an outline character ... a custom font is created..."
Wow that's a lot of optimizing
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@spankula123 It's a matter of TRUTH- The SCAM of the century
RonaldBlair 9 months ago
Interesting video. However your explanation doesn't explain how the layers have links that record how they were manipulated from the source document eg rotated and expanded before being inserted into the final document. Surely optimisation could not create a false history of the inserted elements?
Zooney1 9 months ago 2
@Zooney1 - See my second video called "Obama PDF Explained - Linked elements, transform + rotation history, clipping masks" - watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc - it shows how these elements are generated. The reason for that is using a "mixed raster compression" algorithm for optimisation. google that term "mixed raster compression" and the first result will be a PDF from Xerox Corp. explaining it.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
Damn, can't replicate this in Adobe Reader X. Completely different.
firsak 9 months ago
@firsak This was done with the actual Acrobat Professional and not Reader. Also it was Version 9.4.4. Acrobat X also has these processing options, but the entire UI has been reworked. Optimize and OCR seem to have been combined (which might explain some of the confusion about OCR).
Whether *any* of this can be done when you only have Reader I don't know. I do know that people have gotten similar results with Acrobat X.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl
Sorry, I meant the Adobe Acrobat X, the full version. Still very different. Even tried running the OCR.
Had to torrent the 9.4.2 version (the official website only provides the latest one). Tested a few docs in it - got similar results to yours.
Thanks for the video.
firsak 9 months ago
@firsak cont'd since Adobe doesn't let you install two versions of Acrobat Pro side by side and i have a licensed CS5 suite which contains 9.4, I only have installed the trial version of Acrobat X on a secondary computer. So I haven't done so much work wiht Acrobat X Pro. Again, no idea if any of this works with the plain, free Reader, whether it's 9 or X
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
please post this as a response to videos saying that the document is fake.
xxNtGxx 9 months ago
@xxNtGxx there's just way too many of those :) I can use the video as response only once. Spamming is an artform with these conspiracy theorists. Also video responses need to be approved usually :)
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
so basically he has to show the actual original document on camera if this is the case.
TheHipHopSpot 9 months ago
Give me the original paper file, same scanner, and same software as the WH has and then I could tell you aboutevery single pixel in that file.
What I'm doing here is showing what happens when you take a sample file and compare the results w/ Obama PDF. Obviously it's not 100% the same because it's not the same file. But there are so many interesting effects and similarities that it should start you thinking, that maybe there is a different explanation than what all the birthers are screaming.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl, Even THAT wouldn’t work. To produce EXACTLY the same results, the paper would have to be laid onto the scanner in EXACTLY the same position and orientation, to a tiny fraction of the scanning accuracy (likely 1/300th of an inch). Furthermore, not one speck of dust can have landed on either the scanner glass nor the document itself, nor the scanner’s internal optics. Ditto fingerprints, ink smudging, etc.
Even then, there’s the CCD noise from the scanner sensors themselves.
COMALiteJ 9 months ago
@COMALiteJ you're right :) I guess we'd just have to fix each little bit of CCD noise in Photoshop :)
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
If Obamas birth certificate had OCR in the coding already, you would be able to highlight individual words in the document. Also, If OCR was applied on the birth certificate, it would have more than just 7 layers. Do it yourself. If you apply OCR to it, the document would have over 20-30 layers and even layers that look like nothing was done to it.
Cyclonexman 9 months ago
@Cyclonexman - try actually watching the video what happens with the sample document.
There is NO OCR applied.
Do you see the part where it says NO OCR?
At 2:44 there's the orange overlay box that says, "NOTICE THIS IS NOT OCR".
Sheesh!
It's "optimize Scan" which is a *separate* function from OCR in Acrobat 9 Professional (in Acrobat X they seem to have combined them)
It really helps if you actually *watch* a video before commenting.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl I know it really helps if I really watched the video before commenting. Thank God I did though! I never was talking about what was happening in the video but telling someone who was claiming OCR did it. Also, it doesn't prove why the signature is all 1 color like the "D" is. If OCR or Optimize scan was applied, it would actually have a little pixel on the outside edges, unlike on the birth certificate. tell me why certain letters are very dull and others are perfectly clear?
Cyclonexman 9 months ago
THANKS! Appreciate the time and work you put into this!
kubush 9 months ago
dont pull the race card, it is fake!!, be a man and except it bro, he is lying to us again, and the law says that you must be born in US to be prez, if this gets proven 100% he should be kicked out of office. I don't get why did the WH post a pdf of it on their site, that was not flatten, with all the layers, with diff info in each layer, they should of just printed the fake they created and scan it and make a jpeg then posted the jpeg, they made it too easy to see it's a fake. Why so easy?
ownerowner100 9 months ago
@ownerowner100 The video proves otherwise. Now stop spamming.
kubush 9 months ago
For those people who don't have Adobe Illustrator, the Long Form PDF file can be opened in the free Inkscape program. Select the image, click on Object--Ungroup, then Object--Mask--Release, then Object--Ungroup again. The objects (which are layered) may then easily be separated
If a person is attempting to convince the public that he is releasing a genuine image, why on earth would he use OCR or Image Optimization, both of which modify the original file?
hurst198 9 months ago 2
@hurst198 - yeah. I've also used Inkscape. Also you can get a free 30-day trial of Illustrator off the adobe website.
About your quesion, here's my guess: the guy who did this was just an office guy. He dragged the scanned file onto (my guess) Adobe Acrobat X - WHICH WILL AUTOMATICALLY PROMPT YOU by DEFAULT asking "is this a scanned file, do you want to Optimize and OCR?" - he clicked "Yes" like 99% of people would - BOOM there you have it. Save as PDF, publish, => shitstorm.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago 2
That is very persuasive info,.....But, Obama’s is only 9 layers not the 50+ like this one. Others have scanned in a copy of Obama's, optimized it and used OCR. It also breaks down to 50+ layers that don’t do anything noticeable when turned off. willsloanonline has a video where he does this, but fails to show what the layers consist of ... which is nothing.
explorerhot 9 months ago
@explorerhot - that's why it's called OPTIMIZATION all scanned files are inherently different, you can scan the same document twice and it may optimize it slight differently each time, it's all based on the distinct characteristics of the content, different settings produce different results, different hardware/software produce different results
MrCrazyj23 9 months ago 2
Obama's breaks it down into almost perfect layers and individual elements. One for the green back ground, one for the certification stamp, and so on., as seen here /watch?v=ZCjAmEgjkUc The guy on this video did what you just did and turned of the layers on the new document off and it does nothing like Obama’s copy.
explorerhot 9 months ago
@explorerhot If you watch this video you will see that I get almost perfect separation of my sample document. Things like dates, checkboxes, official seals etc. get separated out perfectly.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
@nyatnagarl
The table data was not however, and there are obvious disparities between obvious digital and written text on the Obama certificate.
Sorry, but Obama's certificate has been heavily edited and the evidence are things you neglect to even mention.
rexmcnish 9 months ago
@explorerhot - the video is EXACTLY wht Obama's doc does. If it's a fake, why is the "comma" in Obama's birthdate a layer? Why is the "M" in the time "P.M" a layer?
CarMoves 9 months ago 4
Another used Corel draw and found the creator of Obama BC cleaned up some black spots on one of the layers . They used a graphics program to paint each individual black pixels white leaving the dots there just changing the color to match the back ground
explorerhot 9 months ago
@explorerhot read the PDF that comes up when you google "Mixed Raster Compression Xerox".
The fallacy in your statement is that you say "the creator cleand up... they painted..." etc, you don't know that.. You just find the layers with these dots. It's only of you already have a foregone conlcusion that you can now talk a bout the "Creator" having done this. I
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
In another layer it shows the green back ground layer is scanned in color, all the other layers are scanned in monochrome (black & white). If was only scanned once.. how did it scan in color and monochrome (b&w) at the same time? here’s that link /watch?v=Up62cFOtvQ4
explorerhot 9 months ago
@explorerhot - you can see this for instance in the 3rd video. Also google "Mixed Raster Compression Xerox" and read the PDF that comes up - this is the kind of algorithm tha is used.
it doesn't "scan" in color and monochrome at the same time. It converts the file into different bits that can be color or monochrome according to whar they represent. It's explained in the PDF with examples.
nyatnagarl 9 months ago
I have filed a Petition of Objection with the State of Kansas. They will obtain a copy of Obama's long form. They will not accept any document without an embossed dept of health seal. On Obama's COLB they went to great lengths to show in detail the embossed seal.
Show me by any means created on this PDF long form an embossed seal from the Department of Health and why is it so evidently clear that it is not present on this document. One must be able to feel the seal with your hand
WichitaTankman 9 months ago
Awesome work on all the vids... I have linked your channel and vids from my vid, as I don't have the time to create new vids for the demands I've received. You've done all of the work already so I figured it'd be best to direct them your way. Thanks!
willsloanonline 10 months ago 2
haha this is bs! hahah moron its a fake and we all know it! that fucktart was not born in the US of A.
SuperGrowPlants 10 months ago
Makes sense to me, honestly.
DefiniteMC 10 months ago 2
Here's what has me scratching my head, you may or may not know that the so-called dark areas of obamas BC are in vector art...that it, it is not comprised of pixels like a JPEG. In your video when you chose the OCR it took areas that had poor resolution and made a vector interpretation of it and replaced it. Fine but did you also notice that it makes a softer and rounder version,,,like what always happens(as far as I know) when you convert raster art to vector. The vector in obamas is squared
grannyrecipe 10 months ago
Nice try, but every document I run the "Optimize Scan" function on it breaks the background up into many pieces, even if the background is a solid color.
RRaider 10 months ago
Obama's and my certificate of live birth with and without OCR
/watch?v=Lz3HHy_zOPY
I have made 3 video's of tests scans and what not with Obamas and mine papers. Just look under the description for the other videos.
eb2600 10 months ago
Hey, I appreciate your efforts here, but the layering is ONLY a PORTION of what is wrong with this image that the president released.
bmanmcfly 10 months ago
OCR replaces letters that it reads with perfect Adobe fonts. This is NOT what we see in Obama's bald-faced fraudulent offering to the American people.
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
Comment removed
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
@DivineFellowship Look in the video at 3:20 - after "Optimize Scan", saving this as PDF, and looking at the PDF in Illustrator - like people are looking at the Obama BC PDF - I see even more than 10 layers. Also note that this was *not* OCR.
Why are you bringing up race? Obama has failed many stated goals (clsoe Gitmo, less wars), the Nobel Prize was a bad joke, and the monetary policy has been a continuing disaster. Nevertheless, layers in the PDF don't prove his BC is forged.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
10+ layers are not auto-created by during a scan. Nobody has been able to demonstrate that theory. A career professional who wrote Adobe user manuals debunked this at TheSmokingGun-dot-com. In the OCR theory the program would substitute perfect Adobe fonts for letters it recognized. This is not what we see. Is it some kind of religion? That a Perfect Man has been found? And it's because Black? (Half). Is it some kind of White guilt neurosis that has you covering for a nation-wrecker's outrage?
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
@DivineFellowship As the PDF file released by the White House contains only a single layer, the absence of multiple layer on any scanned document is meaningless.
Dimensiom 10 months ago
Comment removed
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
Comment removed
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
Comment removed
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
Usunęli Obamie wzmiankę o tym, że był poddany aborcji.
TheJopaolo 10 months ago
There was not any reason to use OCR but good try agent. When the water gets this muddy it is always because of the absence of truth. Obama / Soetoro is a lying SS number steeling satanic scum bag who, by-the-way, still has all of our troops involved in the same immoral and illegal wars that he promised to end. Wakey wakey sleeple. Turn off your TV zombie and think for yourself.
Peace,
7
PrognatusSeptem 10 months ago
@PrognatusSeptem
OCR is on by default for most newer scanners when converting to PDF. It's not a matter of "reason to use", simply that it is on when scanning straight to PDF.
Next time you want to prattle off like an idiot, learn logic first. It might keep some of the immense stupidity at bay.
theinfinitemouth 10 months ago
@PrognatusSeptem -- It's Truthers against White-Guilters! They've applied more Teflon to Barry S. than Reagan could have dreamed of!
DivineFellowship 10 months ago
@DivineFellowship Agreed...none of the D.C. scum will be judged by man. However, judgment is coming for them quickly.
PrognatusSeptem 10 months ago
@DivineFellowship Obama is a space alien... he's not even from this planet!!!! WAKE UP!
sockorocko 10 months ago
@PrognatusSeptem In fact no OCR was even used in this video. I explore OCR in the 3rd video.
"illegal wars" - It was not "illegal" for Bush to go into Afghanistan after 9-11 (ever heard of self-defence?). It's not clear that it's illegal for Obama to continue. The strikes in Pakistan are dubious but they seem to occur in cooperation with the Pakistani government. The Libyan intervention seems to be stretching the bounds of the "legalizing" UN resolution. Well, Iraq, no argument.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
Analyzed your posit: it FAILS! (A) Your plausible use of your redacted German Passport--to garner kudos for your "cleverness"; thinking outside-of-the-box: spent and clique tactic -- sans LOGIC :: Tells us that you would merely need to have REPLICATED the FED GOV's very process, as CONTROL; (B) FLATTEN and "SAVE AS" the so-called OBAMA FILE, and AFRESH, simply reprocess it, using your OCR app: itself; (C) should yield a similar/akin file structure; (D) POST '67 SELECTRIC TYPE!(E)Errant!
LogicCheck 10 months ago
Nice one man! haha...
thehellodaisy 10 months ago
You have to beat them in the head with that repeatedly. Otherwise they won't believe. Or maybe they will never believe.. They got their own birth certificate from Kenya
FormerlyKnownAsNopez 10 months ago
This is a failed attempt to spin the fake birth certificate as real. Spin and nothing but the spin. Utter failure.
Budt0ker 10 months ago
watch?v=m2L5a_KS6iw&feature=player_embedded
you should watch this, it explains how the document is not 100% scanned as the whitehouse claim it is.
wongster41 10 months ago
@wongster41 Dunno if its "100% SCANNED". Obviously something was done to it after scanning - at the very least, some optmization process and export to PDF. What I'm trying to show is that so far, all examples of "special features" in the PDF that are presented as "proof" that the file was deliberatly forged, with false data entered onto another person's birth certificate, numbers added etc, can also be explained by simple optimization processes in Adobe. This also applies to that video.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago 7
@nyatnagarl I understand what you're trying to show in this video. But the video i posted explains how the whole document was not 100% scanned (im not talking about the border either), but you can see clearly in some text there are not color fringes as the video noted, other text within the same word have it. OCR will not do this, and before you claim it does, i recommend you try duplicating it.
watch?v=m2L5a_KS6iw
wongster41 10 months ago
@wongster41 - I had never even heard of the color fringe discussion at the time I made this video. It is about the layers etc. I investigated the color fringes in my 3rd video which is linked from here. When I OCR the AP version of the Obama BC, there i get an example of one word "defringed" and the next one not. You can see it here: watch?v=hqoB7F9-wOM at about 10:10
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@wongster41 Analyzed your posit: it FAILS!(A) Your plausible use of your redacted German Passport--to garner kudos for your "cleverness"; thinking outside-of-the-box: spent and clique tactic -- sans LOGIC :: Tells us that you would merely need to have REPLICATED the FED GOV's very process, as CONTROL;(B) FLATTEN and "SAVE AS" the so-called OBAMA FILE, and AFRESH, simply reprocess it, using your OCR app: itself;(C) should yield a similar/akin file structure;(D) POST '67 SELECTRIC TYPE!(E)Errant!
LogicCheck 10 months ago
I tried following you procedure exactly, and the layering comes out different than in the copy the white house released. In the one you scanned and optimized, you end up with many "groups" under "Layer 1", in the one the white house released, you end up with many "groups" UNDER "group" under Layer 1. So, your video has proved nothing, in fact, it actually opposes your claim that it is not tampered.
onlywanttruth 10 months ago
@onlywanttruth So there is one more layer of nesting in those automatically created groups? With all other features being similar? - The importance of this video is that it shows having individual numbers, dates, stamps and signatures as separate Illustrator objects in an optimized scan does not mean they were typed/pasted in later. They can also be automatically generated. So having these in the Obama PDF also does not "prove" they were typed in later.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
Comment removed
onlywanttruth 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl Yes and yes, I agree. However, this video attempts to show how a scanned document can end up inadvertently having the same layer structure and number of elements as the one released by the white house. The video then should result in that exact same structure and this video does not. In summary, my post is simply constructive criticism that if one is forming an argument, don't state it until it shows without a doubt what you are trying to argue.
onlywanttruth 10 months ago
@onlywanttruth - my aim is to show that if you can produce the kinds of features you see in the Obama PDF by simple processes, then finding those things in the Obama PDF does not "show without a doubt" that it is a forgery.
However the internet abounds with people saying exactly that: That these features show "without a doubt" it's forged.
Why is that OK and my argument not?
I could only attempt to reproduce everything in the Obama PDF by 100% if I had exactly the same material to work with.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl I think you have shown rather well that the existence of all these clippings most likely result from optimizations. However, the location of where these clippings "end up" is just as important as why they exist and all other file attributes if we are to discuss the possibility of tampering. With the procedure you detailed, and I followed, the clippings end up "one level" deep and your ignoring of this hierarchical discrepancy discredits your authority on the issue.
onlywanttruth 10 months ago
but i gave u a thumbs up chill lol i like the point u made here
imcrazy85 10 months ago
its a copy of a copy not of an original
imcrazy85 10 months ago
@imcrazy85 - yes. Original: In Hawaii. Copy made. Probably printed out again on security pattern paper. Scanned (replicated to a digital file). Optimized in Acrobat or comparable. Uploaded (copied) from scanning computer to the WH website... downloaded from there to your computer.
So it might be a digital copy of a digital copy of a digital replica of a copy of a copy of the original :)
As long as the dates/names/numbers on it are identical to what the State Registrar certified that's OK.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl the image we look at is the copy of the original, copied then scanned.your argument of putting a copy on security paper is well dumb.we are just looking at a pic we dont have it in our hands lol nor would it be accepted from anyone unless it was in our hands on security paper.we only ask for a copy of the original to be shown.not a copy of a scanned copy of a copied original:) you know an abstract :) and no one can compare what the reg. has in hi to see if anything matches
imcrazy85 10 months ago
@imcrazy85 As I know the procedure, a Registrar will produce ONE certified copy, or one set of copies, at one event. They will not mass-produce them for mass mailings to all households. This is because the idea is that the Registrar personally witnesses the event and certifies it. So if you mass-reproduce that you inevitably end up with a copy.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@imcrazy85 CONT'd now if the data on that copy are different than on the BC in HI <ou would need a very large conspiracy going on for a very long time.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl i dont think you understood not that we want or ask for them in our hands. we dont want it in our hands nor would any establishment accept it unless its himself showing it so the step taken to put a copy of a copy etc... on security paper makes zero sense and no necesity for it.we just wanted to see on tv or on a web page an abstract or a certified original copy ofcourse that would mean the surrounding paper would be blank in that case not all that mess
imcrazy85 10 months ago
THANK YOU. The ONLY SANE, DEFINITIVE, MATURE, and GENUINE EXPERT CLIP ON THE ILLUSTRATOR OBAMA BC FIASCO!!! Disclaimer: I don't even like Obama!! He is a military puppet. But this issue is diverting the real problems of the country right now.
blognewb 10 months ago 2
Thanks for the video! It's just Quartz PDFContext at work.
But think about this: They fly a lawyer to Hawaii and back to get this document and then hand it off to who? an intern? to scan it for the world's consumption. Ugh.
jeselmira2 10 months ago 2
All you did was explain how illustrator creates layers out of pdf files...well done good sir.
Marksgtar 10 months ago 2
This obviously shows how desperate we need a system to be standardized to verify who was actually born here and who wasn't. Because what would this nation be if we actually didn't know who was born where? I cannot think of anythig more important than someone who didn't pop out of their mom's vag over Amurrican soil. Obviously the people who live here but not born here are 100% 2nd class. The Constitution is better than the Bible, and we have to follow it or we will go to tyranny hell!!!
Toka313 10 months ago
Thank fucking god!!! Finally someone who has an idea of what they're talking about. I'm so tired of hearing these racist assholes pretending like they know what they're talking about, even though they probably need their grandchildren to help them get on the internet. Not that it matters. You could jump in a time machine and bring a birther back to the delivery of Obama and they still wouldn't be convinced.
thesexofoneman 10 months ago
The Optimize function correctly identified the date, and the ink in the checkbox. That's correct, because they were different colors, different textures. On the Obama Birth Certificate, characters that are supposed to be the same color, and the the same texture, are quite different. Why would that be?
CollinAlexander 10 months ago
@CollinAlexander...likely the result of OCR (Optical character recognition).
Juniversal 10 months ago
PRINT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND TRY THAT
mkosak00 10 months ago
#########
U P D A T E
#########
So far I have never dealt with clicking the "OCR" menu. only with the single click on "Optimize Scan".
It turns out remaining "fraud proofs" like 'Chromatic Aberration' have a simple explanation if you do two clicks to "nice up" the scan - Optimize and ClearScan OCR.
It makes sense that people in an organization do that automatically because it increases the searchability of archived documents.
So basically it's a two click standard operating procedure.
###
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
Hello Freiburg,
I can't disput your knowledge of AI or other software you use. The German BC has a uniform background, if I changed this how would anyone know, if I simply changed data and ran a copy on a copier how would one tell, it would just be a layer?
On Obama's BC it has a colored safety background, but the body of the BC has a different texture when magnified, if I had a document ocr scanned how could it give the background one texture and the body of the BC another texture
Dave
WichitaTankman 10 months ago
@WichitaTankman See my other video where a commentor has helpful hints on the background issue. Of course you could change the background!
PDFs like this should never be taken as "proof" of anything. The "proof" is in the statement of the State Registrar, Alvin T. Onaka. Once you digitize the document, if you don't have a digital signature etc, it could always be altered. The point of my videos is that the elements in the PDF discussed so far look like the result of a normal process.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
No matter if this document has been manipulated by hand or automatically by software, the document HAS BEEN TAMPERED. It's a simple fact. Such thing has no right to be in scan that is supposed to convince people that Obama indeed was born in Hawaii. If it's a scan, it should be pixel-by-pixel identical, preferably saved using non-lossy compression.
mcvspam 10 months ago
@mcvspam Essentially the PDF on the whitehouse.gov site is a PR measure only. What is "supposed to convince" people is that there is a birth certificate on archive in Hawaii that was certified by the State Registrar. Until a nationwide system of digitally signed forms is in place in the US no "scan" can be a medium of proof anyway.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl True.
mcvspam 10 months ago
Bravo! Thank You!
kalijo1 10 months ago
*** UPDATE there is a new video
watch?v=ZHZQ_SrEiOc
It demonstrates how Clipping Masks, Linked Objects, Transform/Scaling and Rotation History are automatically generated by Acrobat optimize Scan.
you can actually "see the magic happen" during the video and understand where the rotation comes from.
this video is in full HD 1:1 screen resolution so you can see axectly what I did.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago 4
Good vid... Birthers are idiots.
Juniversal 10 months ago
I am an Art Director and I downloaded the birth certificate from the White House. You are so full of it and you created your own fake. I downloaded the Birth Certificate from the White House. I opened the certificate in Acrobat and selected optimize scanned document, as you did. I then opened in illustrator and there are NO layers. You can't change a scanned image into layers. If the pdf was created in a program InDesign, then it would be in layers, but not from an image scanned using
kandco100 10 months ago
@kandco100 - first of all, the "argument from authority" doesn't count. Being a self-proclaimed "Art Director" does not give your opinion more weight. Either you did not watch or understand the video. You aren't supposed to re-process the finished PDF. You scan a paper document and process that. Otherwise, just read the page on the National Review that is mentioned, they get it. Maybe they are better at explaining this to "Art Directors". Is your "Art Director Certificate" forged BTW?
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl To say, "an argument from authority doesn't count" is as ridiculous as saying a lawyer's opinion on a legal issue has no weight. I did scan a paper document and selected "optimize scanned file" in Acrobat Pro and then opened in Illustrator. I did not have any layers. I also do not have layers when I opened the Obama Birth Certificate.
kandco100 10 months ago
@kandco100 It is a basic principle of logic that an argument based only on authority doesn't count. If the lawyer's opinion is wrong, the fact that he is a lawyer will nit make it right and he WILL lose your case for you in court, screaming "But I'm a lawyer! I have to be right" will not work.
Obviously otherwise everything Obama says would be right because he's the president!
You can see the "layers" only in Illustrator, not in Photoshop. They are not "layers" in the PS sense.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl Someone who works in the field full time would have more authority over a non-professional. I did open in Illustrator. I can see multiple groups from layer 1, but not actual layers. If I select a group, it will show clipping paths and images. Selecting these individual paths or images will sometimes select text or a box in the opened scanned file or certificate. The same is true of any scanned image, which for me says it doesn't mean the certificate is a fake.
kandco100 10 months ago
@kandco100 A professional should have more experience and knowledge of the field. This knowledge should lead him to better judgement in his field - not his authority. If his judgement is false it doesnt help if he's a Professional or the President.
Otherwise we agree - these "groups" that are called "layers" because they show up in the "Layers" palette are NORMAL and do not expose the document as fake. They show up in many scanned documents. I will not say "all" bceause I don't have them all :)
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@kandco100 for the definition of the logical fallacy of the "Argument from authority" just google "Argument from authority" and pick the Wikipedia link.
The most general structure of this argument is: 1. Source A says that p is true. 2. Source A is authoritative. 3. Therefore, p is true.
This is a fallacy because the truth or falsity of a claim is not related to the authority of the claimant, and because the premises can be true, and the conclusion false
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
Next time, turn the sensitivity of your microphone down. You're great at Adobe, but horrible at video.
Parrott65 10 months ago
This all makes sense but the background WAS put in afterward. Maybe the hospital does it, but they need to say so.
I'm a graphic designer and I know that Adobe would not copy that background so perfectly. It would have the same blank white spots that the lines and check marks do. It doesn't.
aubreyda 10 months ago
@aubreyda - the funny green background pattern was obviously dropped in later. It looks stupid and is unnecessary but it's not relevant to the discussion of what happens when you "optimize scan" in Adobe CS5
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl I think the green background is important because your video is called: "Obama Birth Certificate - Explanation + reproduction of so-called 'Tampering'". The green background does mean it's not 100% the original scan. Meaning it has been messed with regardless if it was for the reasons people were saying or not. There was some post editing, even if it was just to add in a background.
aubreyda 10 months ago
@aubreyda If you google "Snarky Bytes 1963 Certificate" you wil find a blogger who posted his 1998 certified copy of his birth certificate from 1963. It has the basketweave pattern. It has a much weaker curvature than the Obama cert - but noticeable, and showing also that the pattern does not follow the curvature. It's another example of the microfiche replicated to the basketweave pattern paper.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@aubreyda This curvature mismatch is generally because the original ledger doesn't carry the background, it comes from replicating the microfiche to the security pattern paper. The Nordyke twins example on the web is a photostat. It also shows the curvature. If you replicated that to the pattern paper you would get exactly the same effect as with the Obama cert. The pattern is also still visible in the AP version of the Obama cert if you look closely.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@aubreyda OK I understand the background now. I thought it was added later because it does not follow the curvature of the certificate. Now I realize that the certs are replicated from microfiche (Nordykle twins cert is example of photostat from that - therefore white on black text) and when you replicate from microfiche to the baskwetweave security paper, obviously the curvature is from the paper that was originally microfiched. The basketweave is from a sheet of security paper
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
NEWSFLASH: National Review Online, ( "America’s most widely read website for conservative opinion"), updated its story on the Obama PDF. They totally agree with me & follow the same procedure to demonstrate how the layers are created.
bit.ly /mA7CTL
They say, "You can try it yourself at home". That's what I say also. Don't make unsubstantiated claims or repeat what you hear - see and do for yourself. Evidence from a reproducible experiment is valid. Hearsay & propaganda is not.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
*** NOTICE TO ALL COMMENTERS ***
1. I will delete comments containing insults as I please
2. The issue of this video is "What does it mean that there are layers in the PDF". I show how these layers can be created innocently. Any other claims regarding Obama's status are irrelevant to what is shown in this video, which is about the layering effect.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago 2
I'd like it if you could also debunk this video:
/watch?v=pi85U0HtU68
It appears to be talking about your video... and debunking IT.
tocardx 10 months ago
@tocardx - this is not about OCR. Watch this video, then read the comments on the other video - other there it is explained: "Has nothing to do with OCR. Print negative to paper, scan, open in ACROBAT and optimize for scan. Voila, lots of layers."
This video demonstrates that *you can create layers with individual info like dates separated out without ANY tampering* That is conclusive. Anything else that may or may not have been done is not relevant to this video.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl That's not accurate. In order for OPTIMIZATION to separate the document into layers, isn't it RECOGNIZING what parts are CHARACTERS and putting them on different layers based on color VALUE?
It's not OCR in the sense that it's translating written characters into ASCII text... It's OCR in the raw sense that it's simply recognizing what is writing... and putting that on a different rasterized layer.
HOWEVER... His video is debating the optimization process. Please watch it.
tocardx 10 months ago
@tocardx No it isn't recognizing what are characters. Watch my video. Look at the part where I show the dates and checkbox marks separated out. It doesn't recognize them as characters or crosses, it's just that being stamped ot handwritten they have a different shade of grey. You can see that the dark parts of the checkbox are NOT separated out because they fit in with the saturation of the background. No OCR, no characters, no recognition of writing, just segmentaiton into layers
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl See where I mentioned color value... and where you say " they have a different shade of grey"
Value is another word for tone... or... shades of gray. You clearly aren't listening. The guy titled his video OCR.... but he actually talks nothing about OCR in the video I linked to. That was my point.
He talks about externally linked files... and rotation and transform HISTORY attached to the file. That is what I would like to see debunked... nothing to do with OCR... Missing the point.
tocardx 10 months ago
@tocardx you saild "recognizing which parts are characters" which entirely something different than value separation.
My demo file has clipping masks, links, rotation and transform history.
the point is, these other guys NEVER TRIED to make their own document and compare it. The reason for that is that they aren't interested in FINDING OUT (by experiment) but only want to spread propaganda (by making claims). If they had wanted to find out they would have made their own document for comparison.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl I agree with you on your last paragraph.
"My demo file has clipping masks, links, rotation and transform history." My point is that I wish you had also showed that in your video. Obviously you don't HAVE to further debunk anyone or flesh out your already well put together argument / video any further... but sometimes even a busted myth deserves a revisit.
tocardx 10 months ago
@tocardx - look I had no idea that "optimize Scan" creates all this weird stuff because I never use it normally. If i find the time I may post an additional video. However I will not run into the trap of tryin to debunk ever more ludicrous claims, that is the strategy of these people, they try to spam you with so many incredible claims until you give up simply because you have a life and can't devote 24/7 to debunking, and then they declare victory.
nyatnagarl 10 months ago
@nyatnagarl I hear you on that. I agree. This is the way of snake oil salesmen, and it has gone on forever. It will always go on though... However, while you can debunk forever, there is a point where it becomes so convoluted that the average person knows after a certain number of debunks... that something is just obviously not true. These external file links and what nots are present in the national review pdf. One solid debunk is all I needed. I can see how others might need one more nudge.
tocardx 10 months ago