Brahms piano concerto 1, mvt 1 (1of3), Ashkenazy, Giulini

[Tatiana1954]

Thank you for this video!

[TheHamsterface]

Hi

[hos123100]

great performance ...

[llcamus249]

Wonderful recording....Brahms is the best!

[watutman]

This is a great concerto. Still haven't heard a better performance than Cleveland Orchestra/Szell with Rudolf Serkin piano

[JoelGallob]

Thank you for posting this. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[098musica]

So sweet really sweet...*

[bho1976]

Too slow, it's unlistenable.

[DeutschlandRocks]

@bho1976

Yeah, quite slowly. The same reason I can't listen to Celibidache's Bruckner.

[classicalalways]

Despite Giulini's typical attempts to over-broaden the tempo to as slow as he can conceive, the concerto still shines through - this may be the greatest concerto ever written. So mammoth in conception, so deep in feeling, and such a profound journey. Sure, not nearly as much gymnastics and syrupy melodies some of its competitors showcase - but at the end of this concerto, one who devotes themselves to it go home complete.

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[Ultrazone91]

Zimerman's interpretation is unreacheable

[Ray0X0]

OMG what a beautiful music...

[paradoxicus]

No os preocupeis por la direccion de Carlo Maria Giulini.

Hoy Brahms,esta justamente canonizado,pero el estreno de esta obra fue un sonoro e injusto fracaso.

[japanesesweet]

another nice recording of Giulini is up on youtube- -Weissenberg is the soloist and the LSO play with a steely quality which i think is what this piece needs.

[classicvinylbiz]

Terrific! Might I recommend this 1967 recording by then-26 year old Bruno Leonard Gelber:

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[WaldemarKoszlowsky]

The best concert of Ashkenazy

[oczoxvii]

I think Wosinski has scored at point here.

[lordbyronking]

Unlike most concertos, which focus on the soloist, with this one it's the conductor and orchestra who so often fuck the whole thing up.

Both Brahms concertos have their momentum and rhythm destroyed by orchestras playing at sluggish tempos, and this is a perfect example.

The only conductor who could really handle either concerto was George Szell, when he conducted the Cleveland Orchestra with Rudolf Serkin at the keyboard. THAT was true precision, and unfortunately, rare precision.

[jaarruases]

pedobionico, pésima técnica de Giulini??

Uno de los más grandes directores de orquesta del siglo XX y con una técnica pésima... hay que joderse!!

[mariorussi2010]

@jaarruases non credo che giulini ha tecnica pessima..no no. e'un grande direttore con grande braccio ma diverso da altri ma grande braccio

[WaldemarKoszlowsky]

@jaarruases Shut up fucking ignorant!

[jaarruases]

@WaldemarKoszlowsky si no sabes castellano, cállate, gilipollas. No ves que he sido sarcástico??? pero si Giulini me encanta.

[pedobionico]

Me gusta mucho la versión, pero la técnica del director es pésima! No estoy diciendo que no sea capaz, para nada. La orquesta lo entiende perfectamente, porque es muy claro, pero todos los tiempos son iguales, no se diferencia el 1 del 2, como si Brahms hubiese escrito la obra en 3/4 (en 1, digamos)

[pedobionico]

I like the version a lot, but the conductor's technique is so bad! I'm not saying he's not capable! Not at all. The orchestra understands him perfectly, because he's clear, but all tactus are the same, there are not 1-2, like if Brahms had written this in 3/4.

[ludovan76]

Molto meglio la versione Abbado/Berliner...

[mariorussi2010]

@ludovan76 no no no no

[ludovan76]

@mariorussi2010 mi dispiace che non condivida. Nulla toglie che anche questa sia una magnifica interpretazione... ;) Saluti!

[ferrari79100]

l'entrata del pianoforte è un capolavoro di sapienza compositiva e di drammaticità

[HdemiaMessin4]

non avete capito niente di bhrams

[tommaso875132]

tu si invece.... si intuisce già da come scrivi il nome...

[HdemiaMessin4]

è un errore di battitura -.- quanta ignoranza... la cultura musicale di chi risponde così è strettamente contenuta a youtube

[HdemiaMessin4]

Brahms*

[mariorussi2010]

@HdemiaMessin4 ahahahahah ma vai al diavolo ci capisci tu???come ti permetti????taci

[HdemiaMessin4]

@mariorussi2010 sei triste

[mariorussi2010]

@HdemiaMessin4 ma impara a scrivere ignorante..e a rispettare i grandi cafone

[HdemiaMessin4]

@mariorussi2010 ok sei anche stupido, vediamo quali altre qualità metti in mostra

[mariorussi2010]

@HdemiaMessin4 non posso parlare con un analfabeta che non sa neanche scrivere i nomi dei compositori...torna alle elementari a fare sintassi e poi usa il pc.ora torna a nanna dai...

[HdemiaMessin4]

@HdemiaMessin4 Cerchiamo di arrancare su, su.. arrampichiamoci sugli specchi :D dai puoi fare di PIU' meglio

[mariorussi2010]

@HdemiaMessin4 e impara a scrivere brahms ignorante

[jemodin]

I have always loved this concerto (esp mvt 2). I am grateful this is here to enjoy. Thank you.

[SidewalkFrequencies]

"Brahms is Beethoven on Quaaludes"

[Wosinski]

The LA Phil really bites it on this one. Their rhythm is TERRIBLE on this recording. It is really distracting - overall lack of sostenuto and generally lackluster. They rarely move together when its time. Maybe they were under rehearsed or just had a bad attitude that day...

[pedobionico]

...OR... they can be precise if the conductor is constantly FOLLOWING the orchestra instead of conducting it. Watch at 2:48 with the sound off and try clicking your fingers in quarter-notes ( > - - > - - | > - - > - - )

[watutman]

@Wosinski I agree, and I must say, many other orchestras do not "get" the rhythm of Brahms.

[mario54671]

@Wosinski They got A LOT better when Salonen came around.

[watutman]

@Wosinski Brahms' rhythm is not captured by all orchestras, I agree. Some orchestras just cannot do Brahms.

[Wosinski]

How is Brahms a psychic?  I do agree with your assessment of his development.

[Sim882]

I haven't yet listened to what i'd considered a great recorded version of PC 1 though. I have a poorly recorded Wilhelm Backhaus version only. For PC 2 its Julius Katchen which is pretty much perfect on mov 1 and 2

[drcarlwainwright]

I think the Pollini/Boehm recording is almost perfect, esp. the piano part (the orchestra sounds rushed a few times).

[Sim882]

Mov 1 and 2 of PC 2 are "real" drama, not just technical. I'm not sure why you think this.

The problem with the PC 1 is the themes do not seem as well integrated or developed as PC 2 (comparing first movements). PC 2 also has an amazing second movement, not to mentioned the 6-8 minute mark in the first movement (solo exposition + tutti) which is pretty close to unrivalled for intensity of emotion, drama in all of music.

[Sim882]

I have listened to it so many times - its ambitious, yet for whatever reason i have never really got into it.

I'm just hoping one day I will see it as the masterpiece his 2nd Concerto and Violin Concerto are.

I mean its good - I just can't tell what its about or really feel the emotion across the piece, as opposed to gathering the emotion at certain parts of the piece. Maybe I need a better recording of it.

[FranzofL]

This concerto really is rather bizarre... All those trills...

I love it though!

[JEP177777]

These performances were in about 1980 -- Ashkenazy and Maestro Guilini performed both Brahms concertos with the LA Phil in Los Angeles.

[wienerfan]

I think this dates from 1973.

[debartzen]

Obra de intenso dramatismo,muy bien interpretada.

[dinulipatti1950]

when was this concert?

[earthatic]

I really liked the music! Very talented pianist.

[koobird]

I love Giulini's conducting style. He accentuates the Maestoso tempo and the "sturm und drang" nature of the first movement.

[oatboy]

about a hundred years late for sturm und drang but i know what you mean. Guilini is notorious for taking slow tempos in an effort to create power and poise. Sometimes it works, like here, sometimes it's a little odd but i think he always has a lot of integrity about his ideas.

[paganviodio]

this concerto is for the piano and orcestra,is certainly be spoken with the pianist.guillini does not decide about the tempo alone.

[thekidwhocameback]

Hmmm..i can't believe i haven't come across this till now :/. It is great to see these two mighty giants at work together although i grew up listening to them one way or the other...got to thank my friend, the little deer, for telling me about this :)

and yes, thanks for posting this :)

[zuckerkrank]

줄리니 너무 훌륭합니다. 까를로 마리아 줄리니 만세!!

[ilbon007musa]

Keureosseumnida.

[ludowicovan]

Giulini is famous for his slow tempo in his interpretations. this does not mean laziness, on the contrary it is useful to him in order to get and to bring into light the in depth details, to reach a quality of the sound which is so rare and beautiful one can hardly believe. I was so lucky to hear him on a reharsal in the last period of his life, I will never forget the power and energy of the orchestra and his carismatic figure.

[DrLuu1972]

Totally agree with you. I have observed his performances and noticed the same thing! I have a good collection of V. Ashkenazy playing piano on CD. I like his style of playing. very dramatic, poignant, and stylish.

[vcupiano]

ashkenazy=virtuoso

[mathpianist93]

he's even described on Wikipedia as such.

[anakreon78]

budur!!

[Steacy783]

I wish they had recorded the movement at a higher volume,,and this recording seems to lack base,the fullness of what could have been is lost !!! Ah well back to Ritchie Blackmore or E.L.P'r.

[mathpianist93]

I do like the grandeur of this movement and many contrasts and the power of this performance.

[4444matthew4444]

still the best

[afertyus1000]

i love it but prefer the tempo a bit faster

[jvmalfi]

i agree i love the 2 brahms concertos but the tempo could be a little faster

[4444matthew4444]

Maestoso. Poco più moderato.....look it up its and I believe its in 3/2 NOT in 3/4........huge difference.....this is the greatest interpretation of the piece....and the sound that Guilini commands out of the orchestra is phenomenal

[jvmalfi]

i agree. i hope that ms. argerich will perform this i want to hear what she does with it.

[sergeholst]

All your comments on YT start and end with: "Argerich is better"

What kind of obsession is that?

[mathpianist93]

jvmalfi, if Martha does it so fast (like Horowitz's tempo) that the interpretation loses the meaning of the piece as well as the regality and legato, it won't be worth it.

[jvmalfi]

yap you're right

[mathpianist93]

It's in 6/4 most of the time. Yes, Giulini commands a great power out of the orchestra. The opening is the one of the BEST concerto openings ever. I like the openings to Beethoven Concerti No. 4 and 5, both Brahms concerti, and Chopin Concerto No. 1

[mathpianist93]

Any faster and you start losing grandiose and it's harder to make notes legato.

[aldebussy]

It's hard to play legato at slow tempi, not fast tempi because the sound fades...

[taviona]

That's what the pedal is for :)

[DualThunder]

i got into classical music at the age of 5...

[jdemusica]

very interesting question, joli

teal!

[868palmerston]

it would sound alot better i gues

[joliteal]

Would music sound the same if musicians would be suited with blue overalls? and jogging suits (several colours)?

[Dermo101]

Here lads i was always into mozart at like 12 when i started piano,,,,,now lizt brahms are in my head,,,,,Rachmaninoff is the greatest in my opinion, remember MY opinion u all might like Someone else but i think his music is closetet to my emotional level

[tguiot]

Well, Rachmaninov is expressive in a more direct way... you don't have to search deep to feel his music. I don't mean he makes easy music (I love rachma too!) but i think he's easier to feel than Beethoven, liszt, brahms...

Chopin would be at the same level (with his nocturnes and waltz for example)

[tguiot]

anyway, one who can consider himself a true classical lover will love every composer for what he's written... i'm a true passionate, and couldn't rank my favorite composers... yesterday i went to a piano/cell recital, with beethoven, chopin, schubert and rachma works... i loved them all !!

[Dermo101]

Well tquiot i like the way you think, i just think rach reflects on my life in a way, my own piano teacher said to me i have natural emotion for music expressing wat u cant say in words, but its not just me all musicians and music lovers can feel it to, thats what we get out of classical music!

[yeliao]

Incidentally, I had a record of Brahms' Symphony#1 as a teenager, and later the Piano Concerto #2, but somehow never fully appreciated them. Beethoven was (still is) the KING. But after reaching fourty, I also came to fully appreciate Brahms. There is some grayness and melancholy in his music that suits well to maturity. I don't think that at my younger age I could have appreciated, e.g., Beethoven's later piano sonatas.

[EVASLO]

On totally the same way and at the same age I appreciate Brhams ...after Beethoven ... and Rachmaninov and Tschaikovsy.Now I always listen one after another ...

[superbemaison]

I think just like you.

At my young age all that mattered was Beethoven.A few years ago I discovered Mahler ,bruckner and Shostakovith.

[chuckl3s]

i hate to spoil the party, but i (24) always liked brahms more than beethoven. especially "ein deutsches requiem", the 4th symphony and this masterpiece here totally blow me away :). maybe i get to like beethoven more when i grow older :)

[alvarito45]

Beethoven is such a genius, that even having his teacher Haydn still alive, could compose the 3rd, and the 5th Symphonies in a very different style. Brahms had almost 50 years to build his own, having in the mean time composers like Schumann, Liszt and Chopin. Obviously he could mature easyly. That's why Beethoven has his grandeur over all the others. Yet, I also think that the Brahms piano concertos, mainly the 2nd are the best of all!!

[Sim882]

As great as Beethoven/Mozart are, Brahms 2nd concerto make their concertos look rather simple and like playschool (and yes I say this loving Beethoven 3,5; Mozart 20,21 in particular)

[jnicho19]

I thought I was the only one! Yeah, Brahms really blows everyone else out of the water. His style is so much more lyrical and passionate than Beethoven, and his writing is much more fluid and contained.

[ludowicovan]

It is strange but I also agree with what you say. for me it is the same, excepting the fact I started to appreciate Brahms at the age of 26. Still, it is later than I appreciated most of Beethoven. This reminds me of some kinds of food one does not like as a child just because he is not refined enough to appreciate all the nuances of the taste. The one grows up.

[Freud55]

Brahms is an older person's phenomenon, and the discussion here (useless, really) might reflect that since everybody's anonymous. I actually hated Brahms' music until I was forty, and though I worship Beethoven as a god (literally, I'm afraid), Brahms is maybe a product of that line of composers and thoroughly satisfying and profound.

[hermanzoon]

I understand what you say. I think it takes a bit of living passing through ones system (love, loss, ecstasy, death, and any other event that molds the human character) to allow the listener to begin to grasp the depth of Brahms's music. There were some works that I liked immensely when I was in college, but it is now that I am much older that so much of Brahms's music resonates on levels unknown to me before.

[Freud55]

Are they putting spam on youtube now? maybe they think discussions of the relative merits of Brahms and Beethoven attracts people likely to want to see hot babes?

[debchik]

Intoxicatingly gorgeous music, and wonderfully played by Ashkenazy. What an inspiration!!! Thanks so much for posting this beautiful performance.

[tsabropoulos]

A truly unique pianist . A magisterial account of Brahms 1 . I am so lucky to play under his baton as a piano solist . Thank you very much for this video .

[ggcoa]

florhand you're fucking retarded...Beethoven's piano concerti owns brahms.

[sab3156]

Beethoven is unmatched with concerti writing. Brahms is great for his age, though. Comparing Beethoven with ANYONE is just unfair.

[voolare]

ggcoa, sab3156 what superficial comments! Great masters cannot be compared, nor put in competition.. Anyone who really understands music cannot dare to say Beethoven is better than Brahms or viceversa. You are too small to understand, we are too far away to judge who would cross the finish line first. Just learn how to love their masterpieces, be open, appreciate the genius!

[sab3156]

It is universally accepted by scholars of Music that Beethoven's music is at an unmatched level, just like the music of Mozart and Bach. I said Brahms is also a fine musician, just like many composers, but these personalities will always be timeless.

[voolare]

Sab3156 Please mention me which reknown scholars stated that the music of Beethoven is at a higher level than Brahms'. (Don't bother searching). I'm not a fan of Brahms, by the way; I'm a fan of music.Avoid making these kinds of comments, because they only show a shallow view of the art and of the masters and remember that you will always find a reader who is older than you, has read more than you and knows more than you!

[sab3156]

Bro... do you know how many composers after Beethoven looked to his music for guidance?

Do you know how many musicians hailed Beethoven as one of the greatest minds in history?

Do you know how many musicians play his music?

Do you know how many people study his work to learn more about music in general?

It's not being shallow, it's being realistic. Just as there are greater minds in mathematics and science, there are greater minds in music.

[voolare]

You just don't get it.. . But it's ok, probably one day you'll learn how to appreciate all the masters and not to just brag about one, putting the others down as if they were his servants. I suggest also you read and learn more before you challenge other people with patronizing and superficial questions like the ones you just made. I won't answer anymore to you. Live happily

[sab3156]

I don't put down anyone. Like I said, all these composers are great. I'm just stating a widely accepted belief that Beethoven is one of the greatest minds in music.

[EdiEllerymissing]

Even today we study Beethoven to learn as much as we can about him in the Superior Music School, but we also take Brahms as a reference when it comes about musical form, instrumentation and romantic harmony. They are so different but, along with Bach, they're named the 3 B's from Germany because they are great in their own way...

[sab3156]

I agree with you Edi, but at the same time, I don't. I agree you can't compare these people, but at the same time, you can compare the genius and context of their writing. For example, I don't think anyone will contest the fact that Bach's music is perhaps the greatest musical art ever written.

[EdiEllerymissing]

Then I agree with voolare, you just dont get it... Some "scholars" think that Beethoven music is the greatest, but still... that is shallow because you cant compare Bach's, time when musicians were like servants for the church or the royalty, and you cant compare the composition technichs, etc... just open your mind ok?

[EdiEllerymissing]

And if you compare Brahms second piano concerto with any of Beethoven's concertos, Brahms is tecnically superior in many aspects... But still its not very smart to compare them because they're to different.

[asteroid1980]

I love the passage starting at 4:24, and Ashkenazy's interpretation of that is great!

[florhand]

Thank you so much for posting this. The greatest piano concerto ever written played by Ashkenazy in his prime - what more could you you want (lots, I know, but this truly hits all the spots!!!)