ummm the weird thing of ....is the fact that ALL meredith's British friends left italy after the murder within days......by contrast amanda knox had the opportunity to leave but she didnt! SHE IS INNOCENT AS HELL!
@Agaotaku He ran, Amanda stayed to keep the weak Raffaele on script, she tailed him to the police station but he still admitted he lied for her, she then blamed Patrick. Raffaele reserved his right to remain silence. The court cannot draw conclusions from that, but in the real world we all know why defendants refuse to give evidence. He has something to hide and did not want to incriminate himself or the girl he was infatuated with.
There was never, ever DNA from Amanda on the bra strap..nor was there DNA from Rafaelle..the reading was so low they could have said it was anyones. The alleged DNA on the knife was rye bread.
A low life drug dealing drifter rapes Meredith, kills her, takes a dump, leaves so much evidence that he might as well left a note "I did it - signed Rudy Guede" ,escapes to Germany where he is caught because he's on the train without a ticket(lol) and people are still wondering what happened. I bet if he video taped the whole thing there would still be doubters. Maybe it's political incorrect to suspect the black dude.
Her mom is a compete idiot, her dad know's that her daughter had something to do with this but he doesnt care, he just wanted to get her out of jail.
How is it possible that there was DNA from Amanda, Guede, and Raffaelo on the bra strap put there wasnt any other DNA from the other girls living in that house?
@michellehrrs315 ..I completely agree with you...and the worst part is thinking about the pain Meredith had to go through...whoever killed, will someday get it back the same way...either here or when they go up..I hope they confess before that.
@michellehrrs315 The complete idiot is you...you fucking cunt...you're just a troll with nothing relevant to say
There was no DNA from Amanda and Raffaele on the bra strap you stupid dimwit....the same bra strap left there for 48 days after it was first noticed...then passed around by the forensic police contaminating it in the process and then they dropped it on the floor
@wolfennyc You are the CUNT you faggot!! Go get your facts straight before posting here about shit you know nothing about!!! There WAS DNA on that bra strap from Raffaele and Amanda you ignorant POS, so how come there wasnt any from the OTHER people who were living there!!!! If the bra strap had been kicked around then there SHOULD have been dna from the ACTUAL people living there so the strap was contaminated YET there wasnt any DNA from the other girls who lived there!!! DUMB FUCK!
The story in section 1-5 of MK death is just stupid. The money is the reason. If RG was cashed up he might have gotten off. I have been wondering why there isn't something from the other girls, AK does come off as a bitch through her actions.
@poiuytrewq12345665 Eh you have to realize something about that. She is young and young people arent really affected about deaths of people that arent close to them at least till someone in your (their) family dies. So I dont judge her because of her behavior. I still think that she is guilty but I think that different people cope with tragedies in different ways. Kissing may very well be only seeking comfort in that moment.
Guede's testimony which I believe cannot be treated as evidence has some big lies and also some truth to it. He mentions that Meredith went to her room and found money was missing and went to Amanda's room to look for it. I would say this is reasonably accurate given the poor trust between them and also matches the fact that Meredith's money had gone missing. Where Guede seems to lie is in the unknown assailant and being in the bathroom when he heard the screams.
My theory is that it was just a drug deal went wrong. Sollecito and Knox went home that night and invited Guede to buy some drugs from him. Meredith either discovered them and said something or Amanda asked Meredith for some money to buy drugs and Meredith became infuriated by this. Then everything just escaleted to the point where the three murdered the girl and then tried to cover everything up wich they succeded apart from Guede who fled the country.
@Whisky040881 That does sound plausible as Kercher did withdraw a large sum on money to pay for her rent that strangely went missing and Knox was found with a similar sum of money, that may or may not have been hers. What is more strange is that if she paid Guede for the drugs with the money she stole from Kercher, he only made of with 35 euros which hardly seems enough to finance any escape attempt does it?
@subzerowarrior1 Didnt know that he had only 35€ and didnt know about the money withdrawal. That points only to how complicated this case became in time. The police really did a lousy work. It is incredible how many thinghs you discover about this every day. I read other forums where they claim that Amanda is innocent and they too have very good points. Still I think she is guilty but the real situation is that Italian police and justice f***ed this up big time.
@Whisky040881 Yes I absolutely agree with you. If the crime scene investigators had done their job properly and not contaminated evidence the day they entered the cottage, there wouldn't be this kind of confusion. But then Italy is effectively mafia country, so I'm not really surprised.
@subzerowarrior1 Yes in Italy criminal organizations like mafia and camorra are involved in a lot of things. But I think that Knoxes case have nothing to do with criminal organizations. But in totaly American way they have hired the best lawyers in the country. The prosecutors in Italy are much less paid than the lawyers so lawyers are much more capeable people than the prosecutors. Surely she and Sollecito got away because they had welthy parents. The fact that she is American helped her too.
I think one key area that was missing in the prosecution's investigation was a motive and evidence to back it up. This may have been compounded by the botched police crime scene investigation when evidence was unintentionally moved and tampered with giving the defence a field day in creating sufficient doubt. They spent too much time trying to find a link between the 3 main suspects that they really didn't delve into Knox's bad relationship with Kercher.
@michellehrrs315 Yes, glad you agree with me. I mean this horrible Knox was overjoyed (doing cartwheels and laughing and kissing her bf) when the police arrived apparently when most normal people (even if they didn't like that person) would be in shock or at least just feel a sense of loss. All of her actions, her changed testimony of the events (i.e. initially saying she was out with friends on the night Meredith was killed and then saying she was in the house but didn't hear anything)....
@michellehrrs315 ....and also falsely implicating her former boss make me think she had something to hide. Maybe she wasn't the one wielding the knife, but she certainly was involved and the prosecution could have made a case for that. Not to completely discredit the italian legal system and bungling of the crime scene, I will say that Knox had some pretty good lawyers to get her off the hook.
@subzerowarrior1 She was there that night without a doubt in my mind, yes I also dont think she did the killing but she was there and was apart of the whole madness. That is why she blamed Lumumba beause she knew the killer was a black guy, the fact that she is free today is sickening to me, Even though she got away with this, she will never get away from the karma the universe will send her way.
Il sistema giudiziario in Italia sembra sul punto di corrotti e incompetenti, come in Messico. Sono sorpreso ma contento che fosse anche in grado di essere rilasciati.
One of the first things you do in any crime scene is to seal it off COMPLETELY and don't allow random investigators giving interviews to the press that could potentially sway public opinions. The press are partly to blame as well for this bungled case as they portrayed the accused as more of a victim than the deceased which I find is shocking.
Also the bar owner who was innocent could have given us some insight into the mindset of Amanda and the context of her text message that she sent to him.
@subzerowarrior1 Yes the police work was sloppy...if someone is to blame that a muderess walks the streets freely today is them. The press in Italy is made that way. They are vultures seeking for their pray. When they find it they tear off every last piece of meet they found. The press in Italy shapes the public opinion. In America is the same and they presented Amanda as an angel caught by voracious Italian cavemen. The bartender is sueing Amanda for false accusations.
What is shockingly apparent out of watching this documentary is how lousy the italian judicial system is, and how poorly their crime scene investigators worked on this case.
They had plenty of evidence to go on yet they got hung on a foreigner causing problems theory (which I'm sure had political reasons) and tried to mold the evidence to fit that instead of relying on scientific facts to piece together what actually happened.
My theory is further reinforced by the fact that neither Knox nor Sollecito attempted to blame Guede (with Knox going as far as blaming the bar owner) to protect him and to stop him from possibly implicating them (which eventually did after being imprisoned). The bedroom was reshuffled by all of them to make it initially look like a break-in. So IMO, they are all guilty of planned murder with 1 actually commiting the crime and the other 2 covering it up for him. Again this is just my theory.
@michellehrrs315 A few things I can't really get straight in my mind are why the murder weapon only had Amanda's DNA on the handle when it should also have Guede's, why they managed to clear up all bloody footprints except the obvious one in the bathroom (was this sloppiness or intentional to frame each other?), why there was no evidence of a struggle from the victim and why none of the suspects and their clothes were DNA tested for Meredith's DNA.
I found that one key witness was completely dismissed by the prosecution. What about the witness who bumped his car into the bins the night before and was threatened by Knox with a knife and also saw the other 2 suspects come out of the house? Agreed it must have been dark but this showed an insight into her personality and the willingness to use a knife.
I have a theory that Guede was paid off to commit the crime on behalf of the other 2 that tried to cover it up for him.
@subzerowarrior1 I think that he was an Albanian immigrant who then fled to Albania because he was afraid that someone would try to kill him (those are his words). As much as I know they are trying to find him and take a statement about what he saw that night. The whole thing is (probably) going to the third appeal. But it really dosent matter because Amanda will never return to Italy so the murderess walks freely.
@Whisky040881 Ok thanks for clearing that one up. I feel like Columbo trying to tie up loose ends lol!
I think that when the defence has won the case it's next to impossible to get that overturned in a 3rd appeal (as the public and jury have already been convinced of sufficient doubt) even if new evidence comes to light showing that she and Solecitto were paying Guede to commit the crime making them accomplices (just my theory). It's in a way quite sad, but this is justice in it's worst form.
@subzerowarrior1 Also, they've proven that the window was broken from inside of the home not outside, The window was so far high up that in would have been impossible to have come in from it. and if someone broke into the home to rape and kill, do you think they'd take their shoes off in a bedroom with filled with glass, there were no shoe prints or foot prints in the bedroom only 1 bloody barefoot print in the bathroom.
@michellehrrs315 Yes the stage robbery was dismissed fairly early on by the police investigators for the reasons you've mentioned. The footprint in the bathroom was almost definitely from Solecitto (based on what I've seen from comparing footprints) IMO, and I think they (Knox and Solecitto) whilst cleaning up Guede's tracks accidentally brought attention to themselves. Everyone also thought it was strange that at 08:45 am the following morning Knox was out to buy bleach.
@subzerowarrior1 For someone who wasnt keeping her part of cleaning the house, and who was sloppy and filthy, leaving her things all around the home and not cleaining up after herself, she really wanted to clean that morining!
@michellehrrs315 I dont know where you heard that she was cleaning the house that morning? As I know she just took a shower and stated that she didnt see the bloody footprint. The shopkeeper telling that she was buying bleach that morning is nowhere to be seen in the official document.
@Whisky040881 You're right it wasn't in the official document as they couldn't pin the bleach receipts they found in Solicetto's apartment to the time she was at the store so the prosecution just dismissed it (which was a mistake as the italian communication police also found them both that morning with a mop according to the italian news reports). They did point out that Solicetto's place stank of bleach (cleaned murder weapon) and I reckon they mopped up some of the bloody footprints of Guede.
@subzerowarrior1 You're correct!!! That is my theory as to why Amanda put the blame on her boss, because he's black and if someone saw Guede leaving the house at night, they can say it was Patrick Lumumba!!!!
@michellehrrs315 Yes that does make sense doesn't it? After all, she was fired from her job by Lumumba so she already had some bitterness towards him and most likely wanted revenge. I just hope that the truth finally gets out as I think a great miscarriage of justice took place in the appeals court that was heavily influenced by american spin and italian judicial incompetence that has left the poor victim's family without any sense of closure. My heart goes out to them and to Meredith's sister.
@subzerowarrior1 Yes, it makes alot of sense!!! I've been thinking alot about this and now realise why she put the blame on Lumumba.....good to know that other's have thought about that too! Miscarriage of justice, and more heartache for the Kercher family, I cant imagine that pain they go through. You talk about American spin...lol soooooo true, the American media here have be giving us half-truths about this case ESP...CNN.
In court she said that she was at Sollecitos apartment that night. Sollecito said that he wasnt sure if she was there the whole night becaouse they smoke pot and were under drug inffluence. WTF? Did they ever smoke pot? I have never blacked out or forgot things after smoking pot!!! This is not how pot works. Unless they were doing some crazy drug their story is full of holes. They did kill Meredith. But only they know that...and I hope that destiny will turn on them and justice will be done.
2:30 hmm, I sure do hate this man-shaped pig and his little theories. "Ladies and gentleman, I my theory is that he killed her, because he was afraid he killed her."
Hm...she was lying about where she was that night...for me,someone that first says that she wasnt there and then says she was there and heard her screaming,is guilty.All the psychological mumbo jumbo they are talking about is bullshit nobody knows how somebody behaves when something terrible happens...but changing her story so drasticaly is screaming guilt.She didn`t necessarily murdered her but she assisted to the whole thing and damn well knew what was happening.Jealosy is probably the motive.
They have no evidence against Amanda. Oh you kissed her boyfriend, you murdered someone! What??? If a tragedy like this happened in my life, I would probably kiss my husband because it would make me feel better, doesn't mean I killed anyone. Also, they found no proof or DNA in Meredith's room that puts Amanda at the crime scene. They found it in the bathroom, but that is only because they lived together and shared a bathroom. Your own DNA is proabably in your house too, along with anyone else
who lives with you or visits you. Dead skin cells make of much of the dist in our homes. Also, the knife was proven to not be the murder weapon as it was too large to make the marks on Merediths body. They found Guede's DNA in the room, and the bathroom. Nothing puts Amanda at the house at the time of the killing except hearsay. It was never proven that she bought bleach either. Besides, cleaning up your own DNA and leaving only someone elses is near impossible. You don't know which is yours.
She didn't do it. It is plain to see. People just believe the first thing the cops says. It was a sex game gone awry. No evidence of rape, no evidence of Amanda or Raffelle in the bedroom. Case closed. Easy to see she didn't do it. It has also been proven that people give false confessions and change their stories when being interrogated by police because they become nervous and scared. They say what the police want to hear. She didn't even speak Italian. Anyone who looks at the evidence and
not just what the police or anyone else says, will see the truth. The DNA proves she wasn't in there. Sorry for the family of Meredith. Luckily Guede is in prison because of it, not for long enough though. If there were others who were involved, I hope they find them. From the looks of it though, one person committed this crime, and his DNA was all over the place. I hope Meredith is resting in peace, and this is truly tragic, but it isn't right to put an innocent person(s) in jail.
I bet this had to do with sex! I don't know all the details but I think Meredith made a sexual advancement to the boyfriend and Amanda seen or knew about it and wanted Meredith dead OR she found the 2
Guys (Guede and boyfriend) having an orgi with Meredith and killed
Her that night while Gueda was in bathroom! Who knows! But I think she had something to do with it! In my opinion!
@Avitinyourface I'd say so, unless you're mentally unstable in some way. Since Knox is not... nobody just randomly kills a friend for no reason. I'd say she needs a motive. Of course you don't need one for a conviction, but without one and the lack of hard evidence it seems rather unlikely she murdered Kercher.
What is she ignorant.please don't put the parents of course there going to say she's innocent and she knows exactly why she's in jail she's a grown up
im glad shes been freed she didnt kill meredith the cops just fucked the whole investigation up from the start and id love to slip amanda a length of cock
@bennythebearful They were away for the weekend, It was a holiday weekend and the other roomates had gone away, how would someone other than the person living in that house know that?
psychologycal evidence?? wtf every person acts their own weird way if someone dies!! This is not evidence...italien are really stupid i must say, and it seemd to me that these investigators wanna believe their fantasy storys like where you people live in there?? They are playing with young peoples lives...stupid!!! It's clear to me that the black guy murdered the girl..end of story and knox living/being in the same house doesn't make her a killer...it doesn'tmatter if people liked her or not etc
@laimek I have a client who used to be a Homicide detective and I asked him about behavior of criminals and there's no real tell tale way that people behave. I agree with the older men in this documentary who discussed the traditional methods being critically important. DNA can only do so much. A quality detective would get down to brass tax on the questioning of suspects. No bravado or screaming needed from a detective of high calibre. Just calm even questions will get to the truth every time.
Thanks for uploading. This is a spine chilling murder case. A one of great mystery. I have been reading a book called 'injustice in perugia'. It details all the errors of this case and how the investigation was carried out wrong. Judging by the evidence pointed out in this book I would say Amanda Knox is 100% innocent. But who knows , who am I to judge ? I wasn't even there when it happened , I don't know any of the accused and certainly didn't know the victim in this case. However the whole se
It bothers me that the bra clasp was not taken into evidence until months later. If the cops needed more evidence against Amanda and the boyfriend, who can say they didn't plant that blood on the clasp. The cops verly likey drew blood from both of them to compare to evidence. It would be hard to tell if a little from each was missing from a vial. Wouldn't take much.
Knox's Parents are dicks. Just because she told them she didn't do it, doesn't mean she is telling the truth! My daughter lies all time to me, "I promise I didn't steal your money.." looks me in the eyes too but I still know she not being truthfull. DNA doesn't lie!
Why change your story so much, try and frame someone and most importantly, leave your DNA all over the murder scene? At best, some of the evidence will refuted due technicality but there's too much to be innocent.
anyone that has ever spent time in a house with other students knows about the dynamics and rivalry between girls!--Guede was knox's fuckbuddy and she told him how she hated meredith (her neighbor a door away)
after guede said he would do something about it which went horribly wrong!--maybe knox even offered meredith to guede for rape while the both of them were under drugs.
if they were guilty they would have run away....like Rudy Guede
Rudy Guede the guy who killed MerEdith alone after he was robbing the house & poor Meredith came home
Knox and Sollecito are guilty of bizzare behavior..nothing more
They acted stupidly after Meredith was murdered but they are inncoent of Meredith's murder which is why they weren't concerned about the attention their questionable behavior drew Real killer(s) never draw attention to themselves but rather away from themselves
One thing who just makes thing more worse for Amanda is that everyone says "she is so innocent look at her, and she is so hot"
So a persen that looks good cant kill someone? So fucking silly. I dont say that she is guilty because I dont know. But its just so silly. I guess someone that cant take drugs, or are to sensitive to it can get a crash in the head and do something really stupid. its just so annoying when her parents act so stupid.
I have chills going down my spine at various point of the doc, especially when they describe how the poor girl was killed, but I also have to say that I felt the same when I heard the leading investigator statement: "this has been an investigation of a truly physycological nature....we were able to establish guilty by carefully observing....."
YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING? Please, this is as good as looking @ a crystal ball!...shouldn't these comments raise alarm bells???
Infinitesimal amounts of DNA? DNA itself is infinitesimally small, but that does not mean that it's not there. Infinitesimal amounts in relation to what exactly? 200 picograms compared to 1 nanogram of the same DNA from the same person will still reveal the same thing: that it was that person. The PCR method of LCN DNA is QUANTITATIVE. It's (the DNA) either there or not. Negative controls are run to rule out magic amplification from nothing (or the Knox defense).
6:49 i liked that guy's first statementearlier in the movie, but this one is just plain vanilla silly. those two are hiding something and that's beyond a shadow of a doubt. you don't tell the truth by calculating what to say and what not to say IF you're innocent. bizarre case indeed.
This report is so biased. It's made to mislead ppl to believe Amanda's innocence by showing one side story: what defendants' lawyers said, what Amanda's parents said, what ppl support Amanda said.
My advise for these matter is take a look around yourselves. these kind of problems are natural results of popular culture : fashion-alized violence, adult-ization and porno-graph-ized human relations and at the end lost youth of future generations. take a look around you How many under aged kids wearing so called sexy clothes and underwear to demonstrate themselves as an adult, then you might understand me. Pity! real pity. as a bachelor, I do not want to have child in the future any more..
My advise for these matter is take a look around yourselves. these kind of problems are natural results of popular culture : fashion-alized violence, adult-ization and porno-graph-ized human relations and at the end lost youth of future generations. take a look around you How many under aged kids wearing so called sexy clothes and underwear to demonstrate themselves as an adult, then you might understand me. Pity! real pity. as a bachelor, I do not want to have child in the future any more...
Another matter is about the Kercher family. How come money heals the heartwound of loss of their beloved child? I just heard from messages from here that they make a campaign to donate money to family. How stupid! how irrelevant and materialistic approach to a loss of human being! Ah! I forgot again that You live in a world everything measured with money!
P5. 4.What I understand is because they are teenagers, they tell lies easily once they are cornered. What I do not understand is how come these ,so called, grown up parents believe and defend these lies blindly and publicize the matter in the media. Ah! sorry I forgot money matters...Each interview pays 10s of thousands of dollars. (see also ethics and credibility of American media...)
3. I do not take the family comments seriously. It is naturally one way street: defend their kid in cost of justice of murdered girl. They should take themselves back of this matter and shut up for sake of jailed girl and boys instead of putting a gallon of gasoline in the burning matter. ( because the case is about not only murder but also sexual violence, unnatural conduct of intercourse , false testimony (lies lies lies) and violence of the crime)
1. Of course they do not want to tell the truth which goes to serious punishment. You have to take out the reality from persons without physical harm.
2.To get truth from suspects of an unorganized and unplanned crime is not that hard to take that long time (especially the teenagers). because irrelevant data would be easily detected if you compare the data with each others. but if you do unorganized and sloppy job, of course you do many stupid mistakes in crime investigation.
If you make an autopsy Forensic has to make blood analyzes as well. so , obviously, Italian officials did made the procedure hurried up and made millions of mistakes due to gain international credit. It is a scandal of forensic medicine- coronary of Italian police department and police and investigators.
I don't get why it is so hard to believe Rudy Guede committed the murder by himself? All the other theories seem much more far-fetched than a guy killing her who then immediately fled to Germany, leaving his DNA and fingerprints are all over the place and after 4 months in jail invents a new story. Knox and Sollecito were only suspects because the police didn't know Guede was involved until much later on. They then tried to squeeze Knox and Sollecito back into the story.
@evomoralesCO I totally agree with you. There seems to be a good case against Guede, and a wholly manufactured one against Amanda. I still don't see a single shred of actual evidence that suggests Knox is guilty. Telling lies, kissing your boyfriend after a killing, etc. may be a bad idea, but it does not mean you are a murderer. I hope Knox is released after the appeal.
I actually lived in Italy. I still don't buy it. Guede gets the hell out of there while the other two casually hang around. Guede makes ups 500 stories and at the end he gets only 16 years. Would you admit you were the only person invilved if it would save your ass twice the time in prison? I'm sure it was Guede and Guede alone.
LOL Italian forensics and police are a joke. They make a complete hash, handling the evidence with the same pair of gloves. Then Giobbi of the serious crime squad says"We don't need evidence. We can establish guilt by observing the suspect's psychological and behavioural reactions during interrogation" But with No recorded interviews, What else can we do but conclude that Knox was interrogated unlaw fully to a confabulated false statement she withdrew next day.
The next problem is rather than assessing all evidence before making accusations the police chose their suspects then attempted building a case around getting a conviction. Prosecutor Mignini is obsessed with his fantasy group sex game instead of concentrating on the actual believable evidence. This corrupt monster should not have been anywhere near this case and being allowed to do so by the Italian authorities was guaranteed to show their incompetent stupidity.
@fiagrey As for the luminol footprints on the tiles in the hallway and Knox's room. You have to accept that these were not visible blood stains and on a tiled floor luminol can show blood more than 10 years old. There is no evidence to link these luminol smudges (because they could not be described as footprints) to Knox or Sollecito or even to Merediths DNA . The bloody footprint on the bathroom mat has been independently matched to Guede. You havent really studied the evidence have you?
That poor young girls last mins must have been horroific. To choke to death/ drown in your own blood for must have been 3 or 4 mins of pure terror and hell. Bu all we hear about is this horrible little tart whos name I wlll not even credit in my comment, whos had four docs and 6 books written and made about her. I allso dont like Americans making out Italay is a 3rd world country with buffons running their legal system ,is just racism. Im a Londoner but Id rather face Italian justice over usa.
think about a young bright beautiful english girl, who will never get complete her studies, will never open christmas presents with family, laugh with friends and marry the love of her life. What about her life? Its disgusting that the pro Amander supporters keep on raging and her parents keep on doing pity interviews and we dont hear a PEEP from the kercher family. They dont want sympathy, they dont want attention from the media. They want their daughter, their sister, their best friend
But there are even more holes in the defense. Its mindblowing that some people can be so far in denial and actually really believing this bulls***! I mean her parents obviously do genuinely believe her (shes their daughter why wouldnt they) but she knows she did it, she knows that she took away someones life and she has really started to believe her own lies.
And why does everyone just talk about poor Amanda knox, poor foxy knoxy who may have to spend 26years in prison. Lets take a minute to
Im at a loss really. What more evidence do you need than Merediths DNA on the blade and Amanda knoxs' on the handle. Regardless of whether or not she lived in the apartment. They knife was found in Rafaeles apartment. Why was it there? Why was his DNA on Merediths bra strap? Im not saying that there aren't holes in the prosecution because of course there are...Nowadays if you're not found standing over the body with the knife in your hand saying "i did it" then of course there will be holes...
What people here don't seem to understand is that INNOCENT PEOPLE SOMETIMES MAKE FALSE CONFESSIONS!... I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but its been proven in a surprising number of cases. Amanda Knox was likely a dumb 20 year old, interrogated for... 53 hours! They kept pressuring her, etc
From what I saw here(admittedly not all the evidence), it seems most reasonable that Rudy Guede committed the murder alone. Otherwise it becomes a big elaborate sex game, etc... that sounds ridiculous!
They didn't establish any motive for Knox to be the killer. This is not that convincing to me. The most likely suspect is the guy who fooled around with Meredith, says he found her dead body and then went to a disco. THAT is bizarre behavior...not kissing your boyfriend.
@icyshells The picture of sollecito knife, knox on guns, some of her(knox) writing about rape, her dislike of Meredith living in the house( meredith dislike to her for not living by rules of a shared house), sollecito's DNA on meredith's bra, knox DNA on knife. I think all these points to somebody's killing and participation. Why would amanda blame some different black guy for killing? Why did she changed her story twice? Why did sollecito and amanda behaved strangely during the crime scence?
@nc01sadh Knox's DNA is on the knife because it was the kitchen knife that was in her OWN HOME. Duh. All of your DNA is on the kitchen knives in YOUR home too. The black guy Meredith was getting it on with said he went to the bath room & came back & she was dead. That is so absurd. He says he didn't even hear anything. How is that possible? It's not. She changed her story once because they manipulated a confession after locking her in an interrogation room for 48 hours. it's very common
@icyshells sweetheart neither you're expert on crime,scene and investigation and neither i am. So, i all we ordinary folks do is try to best speculate from all the rudimentary knowledge that we have. Who knows, may be i am right or may be you are right. If i want i keep on forwarding my own views in support of sollecito and knox guilt, and that is only going to take us so far. So,let's say we rest our case right here!
@nc01sadh writing about rape, behaving strangely and disliking someone is not anywhere close to evidence of being a murderer. The Italian investigator guy even said they based their decision that she was guilty on a "psychological profile". That is bullshit police work and would not hold up in the United States.
I'm confused! What is Knox's motive? Clearly everyone is lying, saying they weren't there and then saying they were. How the heck could Rudy sit on the can, hear screams, find the girl stabbed/bleeding, leave her and then go to a disco? And in response to being asked if she was or wasn't in the apartment that night, Knox's says, "I don't know for sure". WTF? Either you were or you weren't!
what motive did she have to kill her?! none! is it so difficult to believe that dude broke in raped her robbed her killed her and left?! i mean he admitted to being there on that night case fuckin closed! and where is all this evidence against her? BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT PEOPLE a few weird behavioral issues is not enough to legally send her to jail
Why cant her parents just admit she is guilty and wrong? They found her evidence, she blames an innocent guy, lies to the police and yet the parents say she didnt do anything? Yeah she sure "didnt because shes such an angel"
Strange that it happened on a weekend that the House would be empty leaving Meredith on her own in that House .
Someone knew she would be all alone that Night with all her other Flat Mates away,Pre Meditated or what,three guesses who those people were .......................................
LOL. Moron. You think that Amanda would serve two years in jail to "cover up" for a boyfriend she had only known for a few days? What sort of fantasy world are you living in? Knox is a manipulative, psychopathic killer. End of story.
what theory in this whole case doesnt sound retarded...reasoning someone is guilty of murder because she didnt seem to care all that much by what happened and because she loves cock...or a guy goes into the bathroom and listens to his ipod after eating some pus his chick gets killed he then goes to a disco then germany...i mean wtf...you literally cant make this shit up...A real tragedy when the loss of a girl is shadowed by sensationalism and police posturing
I believe that Amanda Knox, Rafael Sollecito & Rudy Guede all played a part in this murder ... Rudy Guede killed Meredith, Amanda & Rafael had witnessed it, then came back to clean up the evidence & stage a break in ... Only a theory but, if you look at the evidence it makes sence ..
My question to all those forcefully denying Knox's guilt (and insulting my country for good measure) is: if Amanda was innocent, why all the lies? Why the incoherent behaviour? Why did she change her story? This documentary leaves out lots of stuff...let's try to be a bit more sensible instead of flying the flag as if this was about nationalities, and not simply the law and the truth.
1. Lies? What lies? Isn't a lie really an alternate truth?
2. Incoherent behaviour? No! just yoga exercises!
3. Change story? 'Coz she's a woman.
And do you know why? Amanda is a phantom a figment of our imagination. Leaves no DNA of fingerprint traces even after living in a house for 4 months! Now, you explain that to me !
i notice you are italian and i suspect that you have obviously not understood my attempt at sarcasm directed at Knox expense and not yours .. :-))))) sorry!
in essence, I TOTALLY agree with you .... it's the truth we want and NOT international finger-pointing at each other.
I believe that Amanda Knox, Rafael Sollecito & Rudy Guede all played a part in this murder ... Rudy Guede killed Meredith, Amanda & Rafael had witnessed it, then came back to clean up the evidence & stage a break in ... Only a theory but, if you look at the evidence it makes sence ..
@MrBradipo73 Is saying "everone must stand alone to be judged" offensive to americans? Or should this individual be given sanctuary, even if she added her own amount of doubt to the case
@CalatilySisters, I commented this video so long ago I have trouble tracing my own post...anyway I agree she should be judged, as in fact she has. I'm surpised you seem to have interpreted something I wrote as pro-Knox; I must have phrased my comment really poorly.
ummm the weird thing of ....is the fact that ALL meredith's British friends left italy after the murder within days......by contrast amanda knox had the opportunity to leave but she didnt! SHE IS INNOCENT AS HELL!
Agaotaku 2 weeks ago
@Agaotaku They left because a dangerous killer was loose, perhaps Amanda knew something they did not.
wanderingbillyboy 1 week ago
ummm sooo why RUDY left Italy as well? aaaaah
Agaotaku 1 day ago
@Agaotaku He ran, Amanda stayed to keep the weak Raffaele on script, she tailed him to the police station but he still admitted he lied for her, she then blamed Patrick. Raffaele reserved his right to remain silence. The court cannot draw conclusions from that, but in the real world we all know why defendants refuse to give evidence. He has something to hide and did not want to incriminate himself or the girl he was infatuated with.
wanderingbillyboy 1 day ago
@wanderingbillyboy ...just like a movie....uh?
Agaotaku 7 hours ago
The Italian police are complete fucktards.
anniesm1 1 month ago
The parents of Amanda are as strange as she is.
anastasia2657 2 months ago
There was never, ever DNA from Amanda on the bra strap..nor was there DNA from Rafaelle..the reading was so low they could have said it was anyones. The alleged DNA on the knife was rye bread.
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9bronxgirl 3 months ago
A low life drug dealing drifter rapes Meredith, kills her, takes a dump, leaves so much evidence that he might as well left a note "I did it - signed Rudy Guede" ,escapes to Germany where he is caught because he's on the train without a ticket(lol) and people are still wondering what happened. I bet if he video taped the whole thing there would still be doubters. Maybe it's political incorrect to suspect the black dude.
evomoralesCO 4 months ago 6
@evomoralesCO and rob's Meredith. 600.00 was missing with his fingerprints on Meredith's purse.
bealestbluesss 3 months ago
Her mom is a compete idiot, her dad know's that her daughter had something to do with this but he doesnt care, he just wanted to get her out of jail.
How is it possible that there was DNA from Amanda, Guede, and Raffaelo on the bra strap put there wasnt any other DNA from the other girls living in that house?
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 ..I completely agree with you...and the worst part is thinking about the pain Meredith had to go through...whoever killed, will someday get it back the same way...either here or when they go up..I hope they confess before that.
lukedermon 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 The complete idiot is you...you fucking cunt...you're just a troll with nothing relevant to say
There was no DNA from Amanda and Raffaele on the bra strap you stupid dimwit....the same bra strap left there for 48 days after it was first noticed...then passed around by the forensic police contaminating it in the process and then they dropped it on the floor
wolfennyc 4 months ago
@wolfennyc You are the CUNT you faggot!! Go get your facts straight before posting here about shit you know nothing about!!! There WAS DNA on that bra strap from Raffaele and Amanda you ignorant POS, so how come there wasnt any from the OTHER people who were living there!!!! If the bra strap had been kicked around then there SHOULD have been dna from the ACTUAL people living there so the strap was contaminated YET there wasnt any DNA from the other girls who lived there!!! DUMB FUCK!
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@hecase They are parents...every parent cant accept that his child has done something wrong or horrible in this case.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
Shocking. Amanda Knox simply had much better defence and that is why she got free...
and her defence is based on finding flaws with how police worked...
There will always be flaws somewhere...
In a house with like 10 flatmates...
It must have been an insider. Otherwise the asassin couldn't be sure that no will come....
Her lie is simply crazy.. Why did she say she was there. Can't make sense of that. Then the shower next morning, washing her clothes....
that is so typical. Weird couple too!
ImAWiseguy123 4 months ago
The story in section 1-5 of MK death is just stupid. The money is the reason. If RG was cashed up he might have gotten off. I have been wondering why there isn't something from the other girls, AK does come off as a bitch through her actions.
Mark70609 4 months ago
6:45 Kissing ? Fucking kissing ? that was disgraceful
poiuytrewq12345665 4 months ago
@poiuytrewq12345665 Eh you have to realize something about that. She is young and young people arent really affected about deaths of people that arent close to them at least till someone in your (their) family dies. So I dont judge her because of her behavior. I still think that she is guilty but I think that different people cope with tragedies in different ways. Kissing may very well be only seeking comfort in that moment.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
@Whisky040881 I know, but i still think its inappropriate in those circumstances
poiuytrewq12345665 4 months ago
i feel physically sick when i see her parents denying EVERYTHING. it makes me sick
poiuytrewq12345665 4 months ago 4
Guede's testimony which I believe cannot be treated as evidence has some big lies and also some truth to it. He mentions that Meredith went to her room and found money was missing and went to Amanda's room to look for it. I would say this is reasonably accurate given the poor trust between them and also matches the fact that Meredith's money had gone missing. Where Guede seems to lie is in the unknown assailant and being in the bathroom when he heard the screams.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
My theory is that it was just a drug deal went wrong. Sollecito and Knox went home that night and invited Guede to buy some drugs from him. Meredith either discovered them and said something or Amanda asked Meredith for some money to buy drugs and Meredith became infuriated by this. Then everything just escaleted to the point where the three murdered the girl and then tried to cover everything up wich they succeded apart from Guede who fled the country.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
@Whisky040881 That does sound plausible as Kercher did withdraw a large sum on money to pay for her rent that strangely went missing and Knox was found with a similar sum of money, that may or may not have been hers. What is more strange is that if she paid Guede for the drugs with the money she stole from Kercher, he only made of with 35 euros which hardly seems enough to finance any escape attempt does it?
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Didnt know that he had only 35€ and didnt know about the money withdrawal. That points only to how complicated this case became in time. The police really did a lousy work. It is incredible how many thinghs you discover about this every day. I read other forums where they claim that Amanda is innocent and they too have very good points. Still I think she is guilty but the real situation is that Italian police and justice f***ed this up big time.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
@Whisky040881 Yes I absolutely agree with you. If the crime scene investigators had done their job properly and not contaminated evidence the day they entered the cottage, there wouldn't be this kind of confusion. But then Italy is effectively mafia country, so I'm not really surprised.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Yes in Italy criminal organizations like mafia and camorra are involved in a lot of things. But I think that Knoxes case have nothing to do with criminal organizations. But in totaly American way they have hired the best lawyers in the country. The prosecutors in Italy are much less paid than the lawyers so lawyers are much more capeable people than the prosecutors. Surely she and Sollecito got away because they had welthy parents. The fact that she is American helped her too.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
I think one key area that was missing in the prosecution's investigation was a motive and evidence to back it up. This may have been compounded by the botched police crime scene investigation when evidence was unintentionally moved and tampered with giving the defence a field day in creating sufficient doubt. They spent too much time trying to find a link between the 3 main suspects that they really didn't delve into Knox's bad relationship with Kercher.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Exactly! What alot of people don't know is that Meredith and Amanda had ALOT of tention between them!
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 Yes, glad you agree with me. I mean this horrible Knox was overjoyed (doing cartwheels and laughing and kissing her bf) when the police arrived apparently when most normal people (even if they didn't like that person) would be in shock or at least just feel a sense of loss. All of her actions, her changed testimony of the events (i.e. initially saying she was out with friends on the night Meredith was killed and then saying she was in the house but didn't hear anything)....
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 ....and also falsely implicating her former boss make me think she had something to hide. Maybe she wasn't the one wielding the knife, but she certainly was involved and the prosecution could have made a case for that. Not to completely discredit the italian legal system and bungling of the crime scene, I will say that Knox had some pretty good lawyers to get her off the hook.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 She was there that night without a doubt in my mind, yes I also dont think she did the killing but she was there and was apart of the whole madness. That is why she blamed Lumumba beause she knew the killer was a black guy, the fact that she is free today is sickening to me, Even though she got away with this, she will never get away from the karma the universe will send her way.
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
Il sistema giudiziario in Italia sembra sul punto di corrotti e incompetenti, come in Messico. Sono sorpreso ma contento che fosse anche in grado di essere rilasciati.
pucksterz12 4 months ago
Patsyd80 Not all Americans think she's innocent, I dont!
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
This case stinks of another bundled world renowned murder case from 1994 where the murderer went free.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
One of the first things you do in any crime scene is to seal it off COMPLETELY and don't allow random investigators giving interviews to the press that could potentially sway public opinions. The press are partly to blame as well for this bungled case as they portrayed the accused as more of a victim than the deceased which I find is shocking.
Also the bar owner who was innocent could have given us some insight into the mindset of Amanda and the context of her text message that she sent to him.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Yes the police work was sloppy...if someone is to blame that a muderess walks the streets freely today is them. The press in Italy is made that way. They are vultures seeking for their pray. When they find it they tear off every last piece of meet they found. The press in Italy shapes the public opinion. In America is the same and they presented Amanda as an angel caught by voracious Italian cavemen. The bartender is sueing Amanda for false accusations.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
What is shockingly apparent out of watching this documentary is how lousy the italian judicial system is, and how poorly their crime scene investigators worked on this case.
They had plenty of evidence to go on yet they got hung on a foreigner causing problems theory (which I'm sure had political reasons) and tried to mold the evidence to fit that instead of relying on scientific facts to piece together what actually happened.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
My theory is further reinforced by the fact that neither Knox nor Sollecito attempted to blame Guede (with Knox going as far as blaming the bar owner) to protect him and to stop him from possibly implicating them (which eventually did after being imprisoned). The bedroom was reshuffled by all of them to make it initially look like a break-in. So IMO, they are all guilty of planned murder with 1 actually commiting the crime and the other 2 covering it up for him. Again this is just my theory.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Your theory makes alot of sense, that's what I think too.
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 A few things I can't really get straight in my mind are why the murder weapon only had Amanda's DNA on the handle when it should also have Guede's, why they managed to clear up all bloody footprints except the obvious one in the bathroom (was this sloppiness or intentional to frame each other?), why there was no evidence of a struggle from the victim and why none of the suspects and their clothes were DNA tested for Meredith's DNA.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
I found that one key witness was completely dismissed by the prosecution. What about the witness who bumped his car into the bins the night before and was threatened by Knox with a knife and also saw the other 2 suspects come out of the house? Agreed it must have been dark but this showed an insight into her personality and the willingness to use a knife.
I have a theory that Guede was paid off to commit the crime on behalf of the other 2 that tried to cover it up for him.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 I think that he was an Albanian immigrant who then fled to Albania because he was afraid that someone would try to kill him (those are his words). As much as I know they are trying to find him and take a statement about what he saw that night. The whole thing is (probably) going to the third appeal. But it really dosent matter because Amanda will never return to Italy so the murderess walks freely.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
@Whisky040881 Ok thanks for clearing that one up. I feel like Columbo trying to tie up loose ends lol!
I think that when the defence has won the case it's next to impossible to get that overturned in a 3rd appeal (as the public and jury have already been convinced of sufficient doubt) even if new evidence comes to light showing that she and Solecitto were paying Guede to commit the crime making them accomplices (just my theory). It's in a way quite sad, but this is justice in it's worst form.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Also, they've proven that the window was broken from inside of the home not outside, The window was so far high up that in would have been impossible to have come in from it. and if someone broke into the home to rape and kill, do you think they'd take their shoes off in a bedroom with filled with glass, there were no shoe prints or foot prints in the bedroom only 1 bloody barefoot print in the bathroom.
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 Yes the stage robbery was dismissed fairly early on by the police investigators for the reasons you've mentioned. The footprint in the bathroom was almost definitely from Solecitto (based on what I've seen from comparing footprints) IMO, and I think they (Knox and Solecitto) whilst cleaning up Guede's tracks accidentally brought attention to themselves. Everyone also thought it was strange that at 08:45 am the following morning Knox was out to buy bleach.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 For someone who wasnt keeping her part of cleaning the house, and who was sloppy and filthy, leaving her things all around the home and not cleaining up after herself, she really wanted to clean that morining!
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 I dont know where you heard that she was cleaning the house that morning? As I know she just took a shower and stated that she didnt see the bloody footprint. The shopkeeper telling that she was buying bleach that morning is nowhere to be seen in the official document.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
@Whisky040881 You're right it wasn't in the official document as they couldn't pin the bleach receipts they found in Solicetto's apartment to the time she was at the store so the prosecution just dismissed it (which was a mistake as the italian communication police also found them both that morning with a mop according to the italian news reports). They did point out that Solicetto's place stank of bleach (cleaned murder weapon) and I reckon they mopped up some of the bloody footprints of Guede.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 You're correct!!! That is my theory as to why Amanda put the blame on her boss, because he's black and if someone saw Guede leaving the house at night, they can say it was Patrick Lumumba!!!!
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@michellehrrs315 Yes that does make sense doesn't it? After all, she was fired from her job by Lumumba so she already had some bitterness towards him and most likely wanted revenge. I just hope that the truth finally gets out as I think a great miscarriage of justice took place in the appeals court that was heavily influenced by american spin and italian judicial incompetence that has left the poor victim's family without any sense of closure. My heart goes out to them and to Meredith's sister.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
@subzerowarrior1 Yes, it makes alot of sense!!! I've been thinking alot about this and now realise why she put the blame on Lumumba.....good to know that other's have thought about that too! Miscarriage of justice, and more heartache for the Kercher family, I cant imagine that pain they go through. You talk about American spin...lol soooooo true, the American media here have be giving us half-truths about this case ESP...CNN.
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
In court she said that she was at Sollecitos apartment that night. Sollecito said that he wasnt sure if she was there the whole night becaouse they smoke pot and were under drug inffluence. WTF? Did they ever smoke pot? I have never blacked out or forgot things after smoking pot!!! This is not how pot works. Unless they were doing some crazy drug their story is full of holes. They did kill Meredith. But only they know that...and I hope that destiny will turn on them and justice will be done.
Whisky040881 4 months ago
2:30 hmm, I sure do hate this man-shaped pig and his little theories. "Ladies and gentleman, I my theory is that he killed her, because he was afraid he killed her."
A disgusting mind, trapped in a disgusting body.
bernerer 4 months ago
Hm...she was lying about where she was that night...for me,someone that first says that she wasnt there and then says she was there and heard her screaming,is guilty.All the psychological mumbo jumbo they are talking about is bullshit nobody knows how somebody behaves when something terrible happens...but changing her story so drasticaly is screaming guilt.She didn`t necessarily murdered her but she assisted to the whole thing and damn well knew what was happening.Jealosy is probably the motive.
Whisky040881 4 months ago 2
They have no evidence against Amanda. Oh you kissed her boyfriend, you murdered someone! What??? If a tragedy like this happened in my life, I would probably kiss my husband because it would make me feel better, doesn't mean I killed anyone. Also, they found no proof or DNA in Meredith's room that puts Amanda at the crime scene. They found it in the bathroom, but that is only because they lived together and shared a bathroom. Your own DNA is proabably in your house too, along with anyone else
Thubbzzz 4 months ago
who lives with you or visits you. Dead skin cells make of much of the dist in our homes. Also, the knife was proven to not be the murder weapon as it was too large to make the marks on Merediths body. They found Guede's DNA in the room, and the bathroom. Nothing puts Amanda at the house at the time of the killing except hearsay. It was never proven that she bought bleach either. Besides, cleaning up your own DNA and leaving only someone elses is near impossible. You don't know which is yours.
Thubbzzz 4 months ago
She didn't do it. It is plain to see. People just believe the first thing the cops says. It was a sex game gone awry. No evidence of rape, no evidence of Amanda or Raffelle in the bedroom. Case closed. Easy to see she didn't do it. It has also been proven that people give false confessions and change their stories when being interrogated by police because they become nervous and scared. They say what the police want to hear. She didn't even speak Italian. Anyone who looks at the evidence and
Thubbzzz 4 months ago
not just what the police or anyone else says, will see the truth. The DNA proves she wasn't in there. Sorry for the family of Meredith. Luckily Guede is in prison because of it, not for long enough though. If there were others who were involved, I hope they find them. From the looks of it though, one person committed this crime, and his DNA was all over the place. I hope Meredith is resting in peace, and this is truly tragic, but it isn't right to put an innocent person(s) in jail.
Thubbzzz 4 months ago
@Thubbzzz
i hate people who are all too comfortable with the very tidy "black guy did it alone" lone gunman theory.
MrNytn2001 4 months ago
I hate the fact that amanda's parents thinks she is an absolute angel.
Hboycey 4 months ago 2
Its not that to much emphasis is placed in science, its that the Italian Police and prosecutors are hopeless and corrupt.
zennus1 4 months ago
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zennus1 4 months ago
I bet this had to do with sex! I don't know all the details but I think Meredith made a sexual advancement to the boyfriend and Amanda seen or knew about it and wanted Meredith dead OR she found the 2
Guys (Guede and boyfriend) having an orgi with Meredith and killed
Her that night while Gueda was in bathroom! Who knows! But I think she had something to do with it! In my opinion!
OmgWtfAdm 4 months ago
@OmgWtfAdm she well done it,she has that psycho stare you only get from killing someone..
wasspoppin111 4 months ago
@Avitinyourface I'd say so, unless you're mentally unstable in some way. Since Knox is not... nobody just randomly kills a friend for no reason. I'd say she needs a motive. Of course you don't need one for a conviction, but without one and the lack of hard evidence it seems rather unlikely she murdered Kercher.
darkspeed62 4 months ago
@Avitinyourface The thing is Knox doesn't really have a proper motive for killing Kercher, much less the boyfriend.
darkspeed62 4 months ago
@Avitinyourface you make a compelling case
Kreutzer77 4 months ago
What is she ignorant.please don't put the parents of course there going to say she's innocent and she knows exactly why she's in jail she's a grown up
Idalia860 4 months ago
im glad shes been freed she didnt kill meredith the cops just fucked the whole investigation up from the start and id love to slip amanda a length of cock
lennox679 4 months ago in playlist Sex, lies & the murder of Meredith Kercher
If it wasnt for the incompetence of the small town italian police we might actually have proper proof of DNA and real evidence.....
They should of left it till the bigger city italian police could arrive instead of the half assed job they did
SuperYellow1989 4 months ago
this guys theory is making some sense now.
thevampdarkness 4 months ago
Where were the other girls who lived in the house?
bennythebearful 4 months ago 7
@bennythebearful They were away for the weekend, It was a holiday weekend and the other roomates had gone away, how would someone other than the person living in that house know that?
michellehrrs315 4 months ago
@bennythebearful I wondered the same. The apartment was sealed of until the investigation was complete.
bealestbluesss 3 months ago
psychologycal evidence?? wtf every person acts their own weird way if someone dies!! This is not evidence...italien are really stupid i must say, and it seemd to me that these investigators wanna believe their fantasy storys like where you people live in there?? They are playing with young peoples lives...stupid!!! It's clear to me that the black guy murdered the girl..end of story and knox living/being in the same house doesn't make her a killer...it doesn'tmatter if people liked her or not etc
laimek 4 months ago
@laimek I have a client who used to be a Homicide detective and I asked him about behavior of criminals and there's no real tell tale way that people behave. I agree with the older men in this documentary who discussed the traditional methods being critically important. DNA can only do so much. A quality detective would get down to brass tax on the questioning of suspects. No bravado or screaming needed from a detective of high calibre. Just calm even questions will get to the truth every time.
johnmediaace 4 months ago
...That was the fucking dumbest theory ever.
Disturbed4Eva10 5 months ago
Who is hotter Amanda Knox or Casey Anthony?
Fan22Cowboys 5 months ago
@Fan22Cowboys
amando knox is anyhow guiltier!
obaidCarkey 5 months ago
Her parents are straight up idiots.
meangreenjellybean09 8 months ago
Thanks for uploading. This is a spine chilling murder case. A one of great mystery. I have been reading a book called 'injustice in perugia'. It details all the errors of this case and how the investigation was carried out wrong. Judging by the evidence pointed out in this book I would say Amanda Knox is 100% innocent. But who knows , who am I to judge ? I wasn't even there when it happened , I don't know any of the accused and certainly didn't know the victim in this case. However the whole se
kobevato21 8 months ago
It bothers me that the bra clasp was not taken into evidence until months later. If the cops needed more evidence against Amanda and the boyfriend, who can say they didn't plant that blood on the clasp. The cops verly likey drew blood from both of them to compare to evidence. It would be hard to tell if a little from each was missing from a vial. Wouldn't take much.
lostindiancamp 8 months ago
Knox's Parents are dicks. Just because she told them she didn't do it, doesn't mean she is telling the truth! My daughter lies all time to me, "I promise I didn't steal your money.." looks me in the eyes too but I still know she not being truthfull. DNA doesn't lie!
Why change your story so much, try and frame someone and most importantly, leave your DNA all over the murder scene? At best, some of the evidence will refuted due technicality but there's too much to be innocent.
endersbyd 9 months ago
@endersbyd
anyone that has ever spent time in a house with other students knows about the dynamics and rivalry between girls!--Guede was knox's fuckbuddy and she told him how she hated meredith (her neighbor a door away)
after guede said he would do something about it which went horribly wrong!--maybe knox even offered meredith to guede for rape while the both of them were under drugs.
obaidCarkey 5 months ago
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endersbyd 9 months ago
if they were guilty they would have run away....like Rudy Guede
Rudy Guede the guy who killed MerEdith alone after he was robbing the house & poor Meredith came home
Knox and Sollecito are guilty of bizzare behavior..nothing more
They acted stupidly after Meredith was murdered but they are inncoent of Meredith's murder which is why they weren't concerned about the attention their questionable behavior drew Real killer(s) never draw attention to themselves but rather away from themselves
wolfennyc 10 months ago
freee amanda knox !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
94yessica 11 months ago
One thing who just makes thing more worse for Amanda is that everyone says "she is so innocent look at her, and she is so hot"
So a persen that looks good cant kill someone? So fucking silly. I dont say that she is guilty because I dont know. But its just so silly. I guess someone that cant take drugs, or are to sensitive to it can get a crash in the head and do something really stupid. its just so annoying when her parents act so stupid.
ZandraBson 11 months ago
I have chills going down my spine at various point of the doc, especially when they describe how the poor girl was killed, but I also have to say that I felt the same when I heard the leading investigator statement: "this has been an investigation of a truly physycological nature....we were able to establish guilty by carefully observing....."
YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING? Please, this is as good as looking @ a crystal ball!...shouldn't these comments raise alarm bells???
mocasu 11 months ago
Infinitesimal amounts of DNA? DNA itself is infinitesimally small, but that does not mean that it's not there. Infinitesimal amounts in relation to what exactly? 200 picograms compared to 1 nanogram of the same DNA from the same person will still reveal the same thing: that it was that person. The PCR method of LCN DNA is QUANTITATIVE. It's (the DNA) either there or not. Negative controls are run to rule out magic amplification from nothing (or the Knox defense).
bradcasali 11 months ago
6:49 i liked that guy's first statementearlier in the movie, but this one is just plain vanilla silly. those two are hiding something and that's beyond a shadow of a doubt. you don't tell the truth by calculating what to say and what not to say IF you're innocent. bizarre case indeed.
911reset 1 year ago
This report is so biased. It's made to mislead ppl to believe Amanda's innocence by showing one side story: what defendants' lawyers said, what Amanda's parents said, what ppl support Amanda said.
coderiu 1 year ago
My advise for these matter is take a look around yourselves. these kind of problems are natural results of popular culture : fashion-alized violence, adult-ization and porno-graph-ized human relations and at the end lost youth of future generations. take a look around you How many under aged kids wearing so called sexy clothes and underwear to demonstrate themselves as an adult, then you might understand me. Pity! real pity. as a bachelor, I do not want to have child in the future any more..
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
My advise for these matter is take a look around yourselves. these kind of problems are natural results of popular culture : fashion-alized violence, adult-ization and porno-graph-ized human relations and at the end lost youth of future generations. take a look around you How many under aged kids wearing so called sexy clothes and underwear to demonstrate themselves as an adult, then you might understand me. Pity! real pity. as a bachelor, I do not want to have child in the future any more...
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
P6.
Another matter is about the Kercher family. How come money heals the heartwound of loss of their beloved child? I just heard from messages from here that they make a campaign to donate money to family. How stupid! how irrelevant and materialistic approach to a loss of human being! Ah! I forgot again that You live in a world everything measured with money!
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
P5. 4.What I understand is because they are teenagers, they tell lies easily once they are cornered. What I do not understand is how come these ,so called, grown up parents believe and defend these lies blindly and publicize the matter in the media. Ah! sorry I forgot money matters...Each interview pays 10s of thousands of dollars. (see also ethics and credibility of American media...)
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
P4.
3. I do not take the family comments seriously. It is naturally one way street: defend their kid in cost of justice of murdered girl. They should take themselves back of this matter and shut up for sake of jailed girl and boys instead of putting a gallon of gasoline in the burning matter. ( because the case is about not only murder but also sexual violence, unnatural conduct of intercourse , false testimony (lies lies lies) and violence of the crime)
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
P3.
1. Of course they do not want to tell the truth which goes to serious punishment. You have to take out the reality from persons without physical harm.
2.To get truth from suspects of an unorganized and unplanned crime is not that hard to take that long time (especially the teenagers). because irrelevant data would be easily detected if you compare the data with each others. but if you do unorganized and sloppy job, of course you do many stupid mistakes in crime investigation.
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
P2:
If you make an autopsy Forensic has to make blood analyzes as well. so , obviously, Italian officials did made the procedure hurried up and made millions of mistakes due to gain international credit. It is a scandal of forensic medicine- coronary of Italian police department and police and investigators.
ersinbaba1 1 year ago
i knew know was guilty all along, she probably thought she would get off, but she didnt.
leedumett444 1 year ago
Amanda+Bleach=Suspicion It's basic maths!
Thejazzmantestifies 1 year ago
Keep all three of them locked up until they tell the truth!
schlumbucket 1 year ago
@schlumbucket I agree.
doozyboody21 1 year ago
I don't get why it is so hard to believe Rudy Guede committed the murder by himself? All the other theories seem much more far-fetched than a guy killing her who then immediately fled to Germany, leaving his DNA and fingerprints are all over the place and after 4 months in jail invents a new story. Knox and Sollecito were only suspects because the police didn't know Guede was involved until much later on. They then tried to squeeze Knox and Sollecito back into the story.
evomoralesCO 1 year ago
@evomoralesCO I totally agree with you. There seems to be a good case against Guede, and a wholly manufactured one against Amanda. I still don't see a single shred of actual evidence that suggests Knox is guilty. Telling lies, kissing your boyfriend after a killing, etc. may be a bad idea, but it does not mean you are a murderer. I hope Knox is released after the appeal.
TricycleTim 1 year ago
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fiagrey 5 months ago
@fiagrey
I actually lived in Italy. I still don't buy it. Guede gets the hell out of there while the other two casually hang around. Guede makes ups 500 stories and at the end he gets only 16 years. Would you admit you were the only person invilved if it would save your ass twice the time in prison? I'm sure it was Guede and Guede alone.
evomoralesCO 5 months ago
@fiagrey "Italy isn't stupid"
LOL Italian forensics and police are a joke. They make a complete hash, handling the evidence with the same pair of gloves. Then Giobbi of the serious crime squad says"We don't need evidence. We can establish guilt by observing the suspect's psychological and behavioural reactions during interrogation" But with No recorded interviews, What else can we do but conclude that Knox was interrogated unlaw fully to a confabulated false statement she withdrew next day.
bertiebaws 5 months ago
@fiagrey "Italy isn't stupid"
The next problem is rather than assessing all evidence before making accusations the police chose their suspects then attempted building a case around getting a conviction. Prosecutor Mignini is obsessed with his fantasy group sex game instead of concentrating on the actual believable evidence. This corrupt monster should not have been anywhere near this case and being allowed to do so by the Italian authorities was guaranteed to show their incompetent stupidity.
bertiebaws 5 months ago 2
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bertiebaws 5 months ago
@fiagrey As for the luminol footprints on the tiles in the hallway and Knox's room. You have to accept that these were not visible blood stains and on a tiled floor luminol can show blood more than 10 years old. There is no evidence to link these luminol smudges (because they could not be described as footprints) to Knox or Sollecito or even to Merediths DNA . The bloody footprint on the bathroom mat has been independently matched to Guede. You havent really studied the evidence have you?
bertiebaws 5 months ago
That poor young girls last mins must have been horroific. To choke to death/ drown in your own blood for must have been 3 or 4 mins of pure terror and hell. Bu all we hear about is this horrible little tart whos name I wlll not even credit in my comment, whos had four docs and 6 books written and made about her. I allso dont like Americans making out Italay is a 3rd world country with buffons running their legal system ,is just racism. Im a Londoner but Id rather face Italian justice over usa.
patsyd80 1 year ago 6
@patsyd80 Completley agree. Well said
100richrich 1 year ago
@patsyd80 Because of the death penalty correct. then don't come to the USA and murder people.
hmiller4198 11 months ago
@patsyd80 Agree 100% with you, well said.
subzerowarrior1 4 months ago
Worst theory... Ever!
Garjun 1 year ago
to go in peace!
And i thank god this didnt go to trial in America because she would have probably got off, just like good old OJ!
Naughtibutnice 1 year ago
think about a young bright beautiful english girl, who will never get complete her studies, will never open christmas presents with family, laugh with friends and marry the love of her life. What about her life? Its disgusting that the pro Amander supporters keep on raging and her parents keep on doing pity interviews and we dont hear a PEEP from the kercher family. They dont want sympathy, they dont want attention from the media. They want their daughter, their sister, their best friend
Naughtibutnice 1 year ago
But there are even more holes in the defense. Its mindblowing that some people can be so far in denial and actually really believing this bulls***! I mean her parents obviously do genuinely believe her (shes their daughter why wouldnt they) but she knows she did it, she knows that she took away someones life and she has really started to believe her own lies.
And why does everyone just talk about poor Amanda knox, poor foxy knoxy who may have to spend 26years in prison. Lets take a minute to
Naughtibutnice 1 year ago
Im at a loss really. What more evidence do you need than Merediths DNA on the blade and Amanda knoxs' on the handle. Regardless of whether or not she lived in the apartment. They knife was found in Rafaeles apartment. Why was it there? Why was his DNA on Merediths bra strap? Im not saying that there aren't holes in the prosecution because of course there are...Nowadays if you're not found standing over the body with the knife in your hand saying "i did it" then of course there will be holes...
Naughtibutnice 1 year ago
This all sounds like a MOB hit of some kind. Has anyone investigated Raffaele's family background?
jvarela965 1 year ago
why didn't amanda leave the italy after meredith's murder?
GerryVDK 1 year ago
The defense "consultant" has a vivid imagination.
tiredamerican 1 year ago
she has not done anything.....can't you see father????
krisindigitalage 1 year ago
all of them are so guilty, they change their statements many times
oacmre 1 year ago
What people here don't seem to understand is that INNOCENT PEOPLE SOMETIMES MAKE FALSE CONFESSIONS!... I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but its been proven in a surprising number of cases. Amanda Knox was likely a dumb 20 year old, interrogated for... 53 hours! They kept pressuring her, etc
From what I saw here(admittedly not all the evidence), it seems most reasonable that Rudy Guede committed the murder alone. Otherwise it becomes a big elaborate sex game, etc... that sounds ridiculous!
amyx28 1 year ago
They didn't establish any motive for Knox to be the killer. This is not that convincing to me. The most likely suspect is the guy who fooled around with Meredith, says he found her dead body and then went to a disco. THAT is bizarre behavior...not kissing your boyfriend.
icyshells 1 year ago
@icyshells Yes obviously he was there. But Knox and Sollecito were there too. NONE of what they have claimed has turned out to be true.
HoosierMF 1 year ago
@icyshells The picture of sollecito knife, knox on guns, some of her(knox) writing about rape, her dislike of Meredith living in the house( meredith dislike to her for not living by rules of a shared house), sollecito's DNA on meredith's bra, knox DNA on knife. I think all these points to somebody's killing and participation. Why would amanda blame some different black guy for killing? Why did she changed her story twice? Why did sollecito and amanda behaved strangely during the crime scence?
nc01sadh 1 year ago
@nc01sadh Knox's DNA is on the knife because it was the kitchen knife that was in her OWN HOME. Duh. All of your DNA is on the kitchen knives in YOUR home too. The black guy Meredith was getting it on with said he went to the bath room & came back & she was dead. That is so absurd. He says he didn't even hear anything. How is that possible? It's not. She changed her story once because they manipulated a confession after locking her in an interrogation room for 48 hours. it's very common
icyshells 1 year ago
@icyshells sweetheart neither you're expert on crime,scene and investigation and neither i am. So, i all we ordinary folks do is try to best speculate from all the rudimentary knowledge that we have. Who knows, may be i am right or may be you are right. If i want i keep on forwarding my own views in support of sollecito and knox guilt, and that is only going to take us so far. So,let's say we rest our case right here!
nc01sadh 1 year ago
@nc01sadh writing about rape, behaving strangely and disliking someone is not anywhere close to evidence of being a murderer. The Italian investigator guy even said they based their decision that she was guilty on a "psychological profile". That is bullshit police work and would not hold up in the United States.
icyshells 1 year ago
So sad the end, Meredith face... Amanda Killed her. no doubt.
artist64 1 year ago
I'm confused! What is Knox's motive? Clearly everyone is lying, saying they weren't there and then saying they were. How the heck could Rudy sit on the can, hear screams, find the girl stabbed/bleeding, leave her and then go to a disco? And in response to being asked if she was or wasn't in the apartment that night, Knox's says, "I don't know for sure". WTF? Either you were or you weren't!
YellowBeetleWA 1 year ago
@YellowBeetleWA Read the Massei Report
HoosierMF 1 year ago
what motive did she have to kill her?! none! is it so difficult to believe that dude broke in raped her robbed her killed her and left?! i mean he admitted to being there on that night case fuckin closed! and where is all this evidence against her? BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT PEOPLE a few weird behavioral issues is not enough to legally send her to jail
dalton7706 1 year ago
@dalton7706 eh, yes it is. She's in jail. Idiot.
Thejazzmantestifies 1 year ago
Why cant her parents just admit she is guilty and wrong? They found her evidence, she blames an innocent guy, lies to the police and yet the parents say she didnt do anything? Yeah she sure "didnt because shes such an angel"
Kantasyxx 1 year ago 6
Strange that it happened on a weekend that the House would be empty leaving Meredith on her own in that House .
Someone knew she would be all alone that Night with all her other Flat Mates away,Pre Meditated or what,three guesses who those people were .......................................
LLLLEWSEYBOB 2 years ago 4
Maybe it was Rudy and Rafellaand NOT amanda. thats why he cant remember if she stayed the night and he lied. and there is no dna for amanda
Greencloud8 2 years ago
yeah and maybe amanda was trying to cover up for her bf? thats what i thought at least..who knows
LizHappened 2 years ago
LOL. Moron. You think that Amanda would serve two years in jail to "cover up" for a boyfriend she had only known for a few days? What sort of fantasy world are you living in? Knox is a manipulative, psychopathic killer. End of story.
nickslick75 2 years ago 31
hmm, who knows.
Good point :P
LizHappened 2 years ago
@nickslick75 well said
bastianwence 4 months ago
that guys theory is ridiculous. oh she's unconscious..so i might as well stab her to death multiple times..retarded!
vassilis01 2 years ago 51
@vassilis01
what theory in this whole case doesnt sound retarded...reasoning someone is guilty of murder because she didnt seem to care all that much by what happened and because she loves cock...or a guy goes into the bathroom and listens to his ipod after eating some pus his chick gets killed he then goes to a disco then germany...i mean wtf...you literally cant make this shit up...A real tragedy when the loss of a girl is shadowed by sensationalism and police posturing
Canagooner 4 months ago
I believe that Amanda Knox, Rafael Sollecito & Rudy Guede all played a part in this murder ... Rudy Guede killed Meredith, Amanda & Rafael had witnessed it, then came back to clean up the evidence & stage a break in ... Only a theory but, if you look at the evidence it makes sence ..
TheAlmo87 2 years ago 6
@TheAlmo87 and why exactly would they have done that?
vassilis01 2 years ago
poor meredith. :(
seems like she was totally set up. so awful.
in2theSky 2 years ago 3
Knox's parents: "she hasn't done anything"...
She lied, accused an innocent man, sanitized a crime scene to throw investigators off track and murdered her roommate... ie nothing...
crispiva1 2 years ago 6
My question to all those forcefully denying Knox's guilt (and insulting my country for good measure) is: if Amanda was innocent, why all the lies? Why the incoherent behaviour? Why did she change her story? This documentary leaves out lots of stuff...let's try to be a bit more sensible instead of flying the flag as if this was about nationalities, and not simply the law and the truth.
MrBradipo73 2 years ago 7
@MrBradipo73:
1. Lies? What lies? Isn't a lie really an alternate truth?
2. Incoherent behaviour? No! just yoga exercises!
3. Change story? 'Coz she's a woman.
And do you know why? Amanda is a phantom a figment of our imagination. Leaves no DNA of fingerprint traces even after living in a house for 4 months! Now, you explain that to me !
otto8855 2 years ago 2
I'm not a police investigator, so I will not attempt explaining the lack of traces left by Amanda in the house.
A lie is an alternate truth? Maybe, but then it would have to be plausible, wouldn't it?
She changed her story because she was a woman...to this, I really don't know what to reply...it's such a out of place comment...
1: women can be perfectly rational, coherent people
2: this is a murder case, not a sitcom
MrBradipo73 2 years ago
carissimo,
i notice you are italian and i suspect that you have obviously not understood my attempt at sarcasm directed at Knox expense and not yours .. :-))))) sorry!
in essence, I TOTALLY agree with you .... it's the truth we want and NOT international finger-pointing at each other.
semper fi,
otto
otto8855 2 years ago
Alright, the joke's on me :-)
I can only say in my defence that there are so many idiots on YouTube your comment could well have been for real...
MrBradipo73 2 years ago
too true ... I know what you mean.
well, I'm real and I guess at times I can be an idiot too ....
but, as we say in australia, you're a good sport !
take care, paesano!
otto8855 2 years ago
Cheers, mate! Ciao dall'Italia!
MrBradipo73 2 years ago
I believe that Amanda Knox, Rafael Sollecito & Rudy Guede all played a part in this murder ... Rudy Guede killed Meredith, Amanda & Rafael had witnessed it, then came back to clean up the evidence & stage a break in ... Only a theory but, if you look at the evidence it makes sence ..
TheAlmo87 2 years ago 4
@MrBradipo73 Is saying "everone must stand alone to be judged" offensive to americans? Or should this individual be given sanctuary, even if she added her own amount of doubt to the case
CalatilySisters 1 year ago
@CalatilySisters, I commented this video so long ago I have trouble tracing my own post...anyway I agree she should be judged, as in fact she has. I'm surpised you seem to have interpreted something I wrote as pro-Knox; I must have phrased my comment really poorly.
MrBradipo73 1 year ago
Guede already has 30 years! give him a five year
discount if he spills his guts and we will know the truth and meredith's family can find closure.
Berialavrenti 2 years ago