King Obama's popularity numbers falling faster then Jimmy Carter's. That means get ready for another Government sponsored attack on the American people to boost his ratings. The sleeping giant is finally starting to understand that there is no right and there is no left. There are only two parties with one unified agenda against the American people. "Presidents" are now only figure heads representing "Global Corporate Interests". Democracy died the day they killed John Kennedy.
Well, thanks for the discussion. Sorry about the name calling at first. That was unnecessary. But just as a final word from me. 1 per cent of the world's population own 80 per cent of the wealth. Its something to think about... Cya later... :)
Well just so you know I appreciate the discussion... It's what I like to do.... I'm not in that 1 percent but i don't think it's their job to take care of me. I am in charge of my life just as you are in charge of yours
In hindsight you can make all kinds of conclusions about the ND. And I did not say the crash was in the 30's. You're putting words in my mouth. There are power hungry people out there who will seek to be the rulers. Your right side politics have not diminished their capacity to govern. They have increased it. Which is what Reagan is all about, with his "trickle down economy". It redistributes wealth and power up the system, from the poor to the rich. But you somehow think that's fair, don't you?
I'm not the one making the conclusion about the new deal. You really think reagan redistributed money up? go ahead and prove it. lowering taxes is not resdistributing wealth it is allowing people to keep what they have earned, but according you hate mongers on the left no one "earns" money. you think somehow money magically shows up in peoples pockets and if you get a lot of it you must use the dark arts and therefore must be punished. death to all who try hard!!! isn't that your slogan?
The "trickle down" economy, or "supply side economics" is all about funneling money up the system, because as Reagan put it "that creates more wealth". But wealth for whom? Not the working man. He's still giving his money to the "supply side". Rich people get tax breaks. And yes, money does not at all come out of nothing does it? Money for one man's success come from normal working peolpe. Why do you measure all sucess on a money meter anyways? Is that what it's all supposed to be about? Money??
money doesn't translate into success? thank you for saying that!!! then why give it to people?!?! why should anyone be "entitled" to money? you forget that when people get a job they get it from people who can hire them, and those people tend to have more money...tax their money they don't hire so what do you want to have happen.... give people the money for nothing. CUT OUT THE MIDDLE MAN!!!! let the economy work. money does not equal success...working hard does.... welfare or hard work?
-So they can live properly, even if they're out of a job, or have a shit one that pays nothing. Rich people decide the wages. They can pay people who work their asses off all day long shit money because its their money. So you work at Walmart with three kids and a mother in a day care center, and pay 40% tax, and somehow there's enough money or time to start a business? No middle man needed! Superwoman! Poor people don't work hard? They do! But rich people decide their wages. End of discussion.
you think you made a good point? you are talking to a stay at home dad who works at Target part time...
first off no one who works at wal mart pays 40% taxes. i am against taxes that high. (for anyone) rich people don't decided wages... have you heard of minimum wage? so you give a person at wal mart (or target) more money... where is the incentive to move up. get a managment position? go back to school? I'm glad you are ending your discussion... you haven't made one point yet.
Strange how you talk. You talk about socialism failing, right after having talked about how the world economy (capitalism) should be allowed to fail again, like it did in the 30's, because "that's the natural order of things". So every time socialism fails, its a lesson of history, and every time capitalism fails, that's the natural order...? This is cryptic. You need to understand there's a difference in Marxism and social democracy. In democracy, the people control the government. A book, sir?
Its very dangerous what you're talking about. Government is the natural order of things. There's no such thing as shrinking government. Its just a matter of who's doing it. Reaganites get up and say "I won't rule, and so no one else will", and how naive is that? Because he says so? Or because his policies deprive him of the power to enforce that statement? You will be governed. Only two types of people can escape; dictators, and bushmen. Us others are stuck with one. Which do you want??
you are confusing anarchy with liberty, which is something crazy liberals like to do to make a point. "if no one among us is capable of governing themselves then who among us has the capacity to govern others." - RWR
Rules to protect our freedom is the role of government not rules that destroy our freedom. if you don't trust yourself to live a successful life then go join some hippie commune and leave the rest of us successful individuals alone to make our own decissions
Thank you for bringing up the 30's (even though and educated person would know the crash happened in 29, and it was the bubble of the 20's that burst.) FDR made a recession into a depression. a study from UCLA showed the depression lasted 7 years longer because of the new deal. i believe in ebbs and flows in nature, but you can't control it. there is a difference between a company failing and the government handing out death sentences. a book- words on pages that you read.... look into it
This is just propaganda. No, one's freedom impedes on another's. Freedom will always be "some freedom". That's society. You have to abide by the will of other people. This freedom you keep describing is fictional. An ideology that won't work in reality. What we in society have to consider is which freedoms benefit us, and which don't. You are governed by: your boss, your landlord, your insurance guy. The office that says "Government" on the door is just one of many.
Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to point out how wrong your ideas are. The freedom i describe is not fictional. t once existed in the country i love. you say we are governed by our boss, landlord, insurance guy. 1st off i use to be an insurance guy and i never governed anybody. boss and landlord however- one chooses where they work, and where they life. in a free society you can choose to quite or choose to move. Our government isn't giving us those options.that is the point
Its a democracy! What are you talking about? It doesn't provide choice? This is the work of Reaganites. People in government doing their best to make people distrust democracy, while in fact it is the only tool that has ever provided freedom for all. Corporations don't provide equal rights, or freedom, or justice. Why don't you have a look at statistics and history, rather than extravagant wording and propaganda? Government is a concept anyone can provide, and society won't exist without.
you talk to me about stats and history? if you knew any history you would know that socialism has failed time and time again. you would know that we are not meant to be a democracy but we were designed to be a republic. we are a government for and by the people. not the government controlling the people. you would also know that Reagan saved our economy with giving freedom to individuals and now you speak as if that doesn't work. go crack a book and then maybe you can tell me something.
You schizophrenic weirdo. You guys chose Obama didnt you? Chose that he would be the president and make changes? So what? You first choose him, then you call him a dictator? You brainwashed Reagan maniacs. "Government is bad"... In the natural order of things, the world economy will fail, plunge us into a global economic depression and people will not have the freedom to: Have a job, recieve medical care, buy products... You republicans and libertarians have a weird notion of freedom, you know??
A weird notion of freedom? I believe in freedom more than anything. Freedom to fail is a part of freedom. you take away one freedom and you really don't believe in any freedom. freedom is an all inclusive word. you can't have "some" freedom. That isn't freedom at all.
I didn't vote for Obama, but have defended him against charges that he's a marxist/communist...or a socialist.
But, no more. The key for me was his insane budgets which will triple the national debt in 10 years and bring us a massive expansion of govt power in Health Care, Energy, and Education.
And now this Wagoner business. I support Obama's auto bailout as the lesser of the evils, but the arrogance and abuse of power in firing a CEO!! BTW, I didn't see Obama firing the head of the UAW.
President Obozo is a literal economic moron. As well as a Fascist, but I repeat myself.
What incentive does GM have to make good cars now???
Instead, they have been given an incentive to cut corners on quality to save money, since the govt is going to cover most of the cost of the car's warranty!
It's time for a real tea-party. Violence? No, not yet. But Americans have to get serious about shutting down bailouts, the Fed, government takeover of biz. etc
King Obama's popularity numbers falling faster then Jimmy Carter's. That means get ready for another Government sponsored attack on the American people to boost his ratings. The sleeping giant is finally starting to understand that there is no right and there is no left. There are only two parties with one unified agenda against the American people. "Presidents" are now only figure heads representing "Global Corporate Interests". Democracy died the day they killed John Kennedy.
Tiberiusduck 2 years ago
Well, thanks for the discussion. Sorry about the name calling at first. That was unnecessary. But just as a final word from me. 1 per cent of the world's population own 80 per cent of the wealth. Its something to think about... Cya later... :)
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
Well just so you know I appreciate the discussion... It's what I like to do.... I'm not in that 1 percent but i don't think it's their job to take care of me. I am in charge of my life just as you are in charge of yours
moveonagain 2 years ago
Thanks, man. Cya around...
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
In hindsight you can make all kinds of conclusions about the ND. And I did not say the crash was in the 30's. You're putting words in my mouth. There are power hungry people out there who will seek to be the rulers. Your right side politics have not diminished their capacity to govern. They have increased it. Which is what Reagan is all about, with his "trickle down economy". It redistributes wealth and power up the system, from the poor to the rich. But you somehow think that's fair, don't you?
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
I'm not the one making the conclusion about the new deal. You really think reagan redistributed money up? go ahead and prove it. lowering taxes is not resdistributing wealth it is allowing people to keep what they have earned, but according you hate mongers on the left no one "earns" money. you think somehow money magically shows up in peoples pockets and if you get a lot of it you must use the dark arts and therefore must be punished. death to all who try hard!!! isn't that your slogan?
moveonagain 2 years ago
The "trickle down" economy, or "supply side economics" is all about funneling money up the system, because as Reagan put it "that creates more wealth". But wealth for whom? Not the working man. He's still giving his money to the "supply side". Rich people get tax breaks. And yes, money does not at all come out of nothing does it? Money for one man's success come from normal working peolpe. Why do you measure all sucess on a money meter anyways? Is that what it's all supposed to be about? Money??
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
money doesn't translate into success? thank you for saying that!!! then why give it to people?!?! why should anyone be "entitled" to money? you forget that when people get a job they get it from people who can hire them, and those people tend to have more money...tax their money they don't hire so what do you want to have happen.... give people the money for nothing. CUT OUT THE MIDDLE MAN!!!! let the economy work. money does not equal success...working hard does.... welfare or hard work?
moveonagain 2 years ago
-So they can live properly, even if they're out of a job, or have a shit one that pays nothing. Rich people decide the wages. They can pay people who work their asses off all day long shit money because its their money. So you work at Walmart with three kids and a mother in a day care center, and pay 40% tax, and somehow there's enough money or time to start a business? No middle man needed! Superwoman! Poor people don't work hard? They do! But rich people decide their wages. End of discussion.
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
you think you made a good point? you are talking to a stay at home dad who works at Target part time...
first off no one who works at wal mart pays 40% taxes. i am against taxes that high. (for anyone) rich people don't decided wages... have you heard of minimum wage? so you give a person at wal mart (or target) more money... where is the incentive to move up. get a managment position? go back to school? I'm glad you are ending your discussion... you haven't made one point yet.
moveonagain 2 years ago
Strange how you talk. You talk about socialism failing, right after having talked about how the world economy (capitalism) should be allowed to fail again, like it did in the 30's, because "that's the natural order of things". So every time socialism fails, its a lesson of history, and every time capitalism fails, that's the natural order...? This is cryptic. You need to understand there's a difference in Marxism and social democracy. In democracy, the people control the government. A book, sir?
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
Its very dangerous what you're talking about. Government is the natural order of things. There's no such thing as shrinking government. Its just a matter of who's doing it. Reaganites get up and say "I won't rule, and so no one else will", and how naive is that? Because he says so? Or because his policies deprive him of the power to enforce that statement? You will be governed. Only two types of people can escape; dictators, and bushmen. Us others are stuck with one. Which do you want??
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
you are confusing anarchy with liberty, which is something crazy liberals like to do to make a point. "if no one among us is capable of governing themselves then who among us has the capacity to govern others." - RWR
Rules to protect our freedom is the role of government not rules that destroy our freedom. if you don't trust yourself to live a successful life then go join some hippie commune and leave the rest of us successful individuals alone to make our own decissions
moveonagain 2 years ago
Thank you for bringing up the 30's (even though and educated person would know the crash happened in 29, and it was the bubble of the 20's that burst.) FDR made a recession into a depression. a study from UCLA showed the depression lasted 7 years longer because of the new deal. i believe in ebbs and flows in nature, but you can't control it. there is a difference between a company failing and the government handing out death sentences. a book- words on pages that you read.... look into it
moveonagain 2 years ago
This is just propaganda. No, one's freedom impedes on another's. Freedom will always be "some freedom". That's society. You have to abide by the will of other people. This freedom you keep describing is fictional. An ideology that won't work in reality. What we in society have to consider is which freedoms benefit us, and which don't. You are governed by: your boss, your landlord, your insurance guy. The office that says "Government" on the door is just one of many.
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to point out how wrong your ideas are. The freedom i describe is not fictional. t once existed in the country i love. you say we are governed by our boss, landlord, insurance guy. 1st off i use to be an insurance guy and i never governed anybody. boss and landlord however- one chooses where they work, and where they life. in a free society you can choose to quite or choose to move. Our government isn't giving us those options.that is the point
moveonagain 2 years ago
Its a democracy! What are you talking about? It doesn't provide choice? This is the work of Reaganites. People in government doing their best to make people distrust democracy, while in fact it is the only tool that has ever provided freedom for all. Corporations don't provide equal rights, or freedom, or justice. Why don't you have a look at statistics and history, rather than extravagant wording and propaganda? Government is a concept anyone can provide, and society won't exist without.
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
you talk to me about stats and history? if you knew any history you would know that socialism has failed time and time again. you would know that we are not meant to be a democracy but we were designed to be a republic. we are a government for and by the people. not the government controlling the people. you would also know that Reagan saved our economy with giving freedom to individuals and now you speak as if that doesn't work. go crack a book and then maybe you can tell me something.
moveonagain 2 years ago
You schizophrenic weirdo. You guys chose Obama didnt you? Chose that he would be the president and make changes? So what? You first choose him, then you call him a dictator? You brainwashed Reagan maniacs. "Government is bad"... In the natural order of things, the world economy will fail, plunge us into a global economic depression and people will not have the freedom to: Have a job, recieve medical care, buy products... You republicans and libertarians have a weird notion of freedom, you know??
AmbientSmiley 2 years ago
A weird notion of freedom? I believe in freedom more than anything. Freedom to fail is a part of freedom. you take away one freedom and you really don't believe in any freedom. freedom is an all inclusive word. you can't have "some" freedom. That isn't freedom at all.
moveonagain 2 years ago
I didn't vote for Obama, but have defended him against charges that he's a marxist/communist...or a socialist.
But, no more. The key for me was his insane budgets which will triple the national debt in 10 years and bring us a massive expansion of govt power in Health Care, Energy, and Education.
And now this Wagoner business. I support Obama's auto bailout as the lesser of the evils, but the arrogance and abuse of power in firing a CEO!! BTW, I didn't see Obama firing the head of the UAW.
JohnR22926 2 years ago
Warranty backed by Obama??
President Obozo is a literal economic moron. As well as a Fascist, but I repeat myself.
What incentive does GM have to make good cars now???
Instead, they have been given an incentive to cut corners on quality to save money, since the govt is going to cover most of the cost of the car's warranty!
It's time for a real tea-party. Violence? No, not yet. But Americans have to get serious about shutting down bailouts, the Fed, government takeover of biz. etc
Jaycephus01 2 years ago