A simple case of mistaking dissipating dust with falling dust. How one can presume to see what each grain of dust is doing from 30 feet away on a 240 line youtube version of an overly-copied video is beyond me. Not all dust goes upward with John Young as every other grain. Therefore it would not all fall at the same rate. Since it's ALL under his feet, it certainly shouldn't fall at the same rate he falls. Duhh!
Everyone agrees that the dust had to be a "talcom like" substance rather than sand in order to make footprints so detailed, so if on earth, it wouldve created a dust cloud. yet the fine dust settles like dirt
Jomogogo if you based your analysis on the the facts, you would know that they could not have went to the moon. There is currently no way to traverse the deadly radiation field that surrounds the Earth to get to the Moon. One would have to assume that the Moon's surface is highly radioactive since it is constantly being bombarded by cosmic and solar radiation. The asstronots could not leap more then 2 ft off of the ground. Anything more then that and they would have looked like peter pan.
@fanbutton The "deadly radiation field" presumably in reference to ionised particles trapped in our magnetic field, comes close to the earth. As is proved by ISS coming near the poles, and people having got to it, it is survivable. If you don't believe that, look up an ISS tracker on the internet, and pull out a pair of decent binoculars as it goes past at night.
This is a stupid video, u dont even get to see the speed that the astronaught falls, you only see him going up due to the fact that he just jumped! Of course the dust is moving at a different speed, the dust didnt jump, it just got kicked up when the astronaught jumped. It seems to me that everyone that belives the moon landings were a hoax, are absolute idiots!
@tkrWkLNsQk I will not comment on whether the moonland was a hoax or not, but you have made an understandable mistake for a basic level of physics. As the astronauts foot is not flat, the force of the lifting foot is not transferred directly to the y axis of the sand. The vector's direction is along the normal to any given point on the foot. Therefore much y axis force is lost to horizontal motion. This effect is compounded by the fact his feet wobble, and do not move directly upwards.
@tkrWkLNsQk I am not discussing whether the moon landing is real or not, because I have not researched the topic and don't know enough. However, I do know that his particular piece of evidence does not prove that the moonlanding was not real, as this particular piece of evidence behaves precisely the way it should on the moon.
Young (the astronaut) jumped up, the dust didn't jump up, so he is going to carry on ascending, when the lunar dust pucked up on his boots will fall off.
Hipper, watch tkrWkLNsQk's third video of this subject, "The sand of too fast fall in Apollo 16(Analyze)".
I made also an investigation of this jump, and ended with results quite similar as tkrWkLNsQk did. If you want to see the jump in slow motion, measurements and equations, click on my name and see the video.
@hippertydog Just like the average american, they don't believe anything even if they can see it smell it and talk to it. Evidence no longer matters to americans they have been brain washed for generations and now are to weak mentally to understand simple concepts.
So you think some old man who had a vendetta against the rocket engineering company that fired him and some students can uncover one of the biggest hoaxes in history, yet the entirety of the USSR intelligence services and science communities couldn't uncover shit and acknowledged it as truth, even though they had full motive to do the opposite?
The only thing ridiculous about the moon hoax is that its just that a ridiculous hoax...so ridiculous in fact, they now refuse to do same stupid chit again even after they built another billion dollar rocket. To try to pull off the same ridiculous hoax in this day and age would be madness not ridiculous. Is really any wonder why they pulled the plug on going "back to the Moon"?
There is dust scattering in a lot of different ways there. For instance, he is jumping by pushing off first with his legs, then with his feet, particularly his toes. The toes of his boots dig in as he does this and display a sort of bow shock as he rises. dust sprays in multiple directions.
Um, the dust hasn't completely fallen yet at the end of this repeated clip (0:09). It has only dispersed a bit after being kicked up, but you can still see it off the ground. It actually comes to rest a few seconds later with no dust clouds. This affect is much easier to observe with other clips of higher volumes of dust being kicked up. The fact remains that when you speed this clip up enough to match earth gravity, using jump height and fall time, the jumps look goofy.
The illusion of Moon gravity is not created just by showing us the videos with alteresd (slowed) speed. You can see astronauts suspended and pulled by wires! Therefore you cannot fix it to "look right" just by altering the speed of the video! It would never look right just with speeding the film up, because the wires create the low gravity illusion. If you tried, the result would be too fast movement of astronauts legs and arms making it look reidiculous.
I have yet to see any wires that were not an antenna reflection on the spacesuit pack or video compression errors that were repeated throughout the frame. Even when these are shown, the direction of tension and the balance at the center of mass are inconsistent with wire-assisted jumps. Perhaps you have seen some footage I missed.
by greenmagoos, video 2SEdY7oPSqo, video time 2:15 - 2:16
If you can dOwnload the clip and use VirtualDub or another editor to see it frame by frame, it helps. In VirtualDub it's frames 3381 - 3400.
And that's no antenna clip for certain, because it's a close image, and you can see antenna on the packback on the left of the screen and this one is in the middle.
The Virtualdub frames are useless for you. Sorry about that. I noticed that they change when I encode this Youtube clip. And I need to encode it again, because VirtualDub cannot use clips downloaded from here. The frame numbers seem to change when you use different video resolution, bitrate or compression. I don't know which one does it, but you've better check the time of the video, and then go there with your video editing tool.
Heh. Shane Killian banned me. Without warning. Said I used slander. Imagine! The king of slander who blamed all of us as hoaxers and used every ugly name he could to mock us, blames me of slandering!
Well, I'm coming back. I will expose his editing Bart Siebrel's video and how he is deliberately trying to cheat people. Which makes HIM the hoaxer. I gave him time to answer, he did not. So I will expose him.
Congratulations! I saw this phenomena of the dirt falling too fast watching shanedk's video. It was so clear I couldn't believe he denied it! His video clip only plays the jump twice, and it was clear as rain to me!
When you see this clip entirely, the astronaut is so obviously suspended (by wires), it hurts my eye!
Well, this isn't the only footage where it's obvious they are suspended with wires. It's everywhere, but another very clear case is where an astronaut falls and is pulled back up with the wire helping him too much.
I believe Newton's third law says that for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction force. If you were to take a tennisball and throw it in a puddle of water, the spash would go just as as the tennisball. I think, I'll have to try.
Svector, the dirt is launched upwards the same moment as the astronaut is. Sure the dirt under his boots starts fall sooner as it does not rise as high.
But this case and tkrWkLNsQk's analysis has nothing to do which is launched or starts to fall sooner. It is about how long they last. In other words, about the gravity pull.
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RAREpicture 4 months ago
A simple case of mistaking dissipating dust with falling dust. How one can presume to see what each grain of dust is doing from 30 feet away on a 240 line youtube version of an overly-copied video is beyond me. Not all dust goes upward with John Young as every other grain. Therefore it would not all fall at the same rate. Since it's ALL under his feet, it certainly shouldn't fall at the same rate he falls. Duhh!
LunarTuner 1 year ago
Another good example of junk science from the hoaxturds.
Synthetrix 1 year ago 3
good find, thanks
losability 1 year ago
This is very interesting.
Reasonable99pct 1 year ago
Everyone agrees that the dust had to be a "talcom like" substance rather than sand in order to make footprints so detailed, so if on earth, it wouldve created a dust cloud. yet the fine dust settles like dirt
bcrumpty 2 years ago
Seems to me that the dust just gets too fine to be picked up on camera as it disperses.
EvilWeevil 2 years ago
Never argue with moon hoax advocates, it is a foolish waste of time. Like trying to reason with a small obstinate child. A very stupid one.
TheJomogogo 2 years ago
The argument can be turned onto Apollo believers, too...
Simboiss 2 years ago
The only difference is Apollo believers have facts on their side and are knowlegeable about the subject. Also hoaxers are generally very stupid.
TheJomogogo 2 years ago
I see... Although it doesn't make sense...
Simboiss 2 years ago
Jomogogo if you based your analysis on the the facts, you would know that they could not have went to the moon. There is currently no way to traverse the deadly radiation field that surrounds the Earth to get to the Moon. One would have to assume that the Moon's surface is highly radioactive since it is constantly being bombarded by cosmic and solar radiation. The asstronots could not leap more then 2 ft off of the ground. Anything more then that and they would have looked like peter pan.
fanbutton 2 years ago
@fanbutton
Facts? You need to know some before sputing such nonsense then. Nothing you said was true.
TheJomogogo 2 years ago
@fanbutton
Ah. Ther it is again. 'The deadly radiation field".
Do some math Fanbutton. And see how Apollo went to the moon.
w w w . braeunig . us/apollo/apollo11-TLI . htm
Talking about facts... here they are.
Rob260259 2 years ago
@fanbutton The "deadly radiation field" presumably in reference to ionised particles trapped in our magnetic field, comes close to the earth. As is proved by ISS coming near the poles, and people having got to it, it is survivable. If you don't believe that, look up an ISS tracker on the internet, and pull out a pair of decent binoculars as it goes past at night.
Ricki145 1 year ago
This is a stupid video, u dont even get to see the speed that the astronaught falls, you only see him going up due to the fact that he just jumped! Of course the dust is moving at a different speed, the dust didnt jump, it just got kicked up when the astronaught jumped. It seems to me that everyone that belives the moon landings were a hoax, are absolute idiots!
hippertydog 2 years ago
Perhaps you haven't knowledge of physics....
Can you answer the speed of mass of dropping down from height X?
tkrWkLNsQk 2 years ago
@tkrWkLNsQk I will not comment on whether the moonland was a hoax or not, but you have made an understandable mistake for a basic level of physics. As the astronauts foot is not flat, the force of the lifting foot is not transferred directly to the y axis of the sand. The vector's direction is along the normal to any given point on the foot. Therefore much y axis force is lost to horizontal motion. This effect is compounded by the fact his feet wobble, and do not move directly upwards.
Ricki145 1 year ago 2
@Ricki145
OK, I claim that Moon landings were not real.
You want to discuss this theme?
I honest tired.
Because You Apollo believers cannot disprove hoax theories.
tkrWkLNsQk 1 year ago
@tkrWkLNsQk I am not discussing whether the moon landing is real or not, because I have not researched the topic and don't know enough. However, I do know that his particular piece of evidence does not prove that the moonlanding was not real, as this particular piece of evidence behaves precisely the way it should on the moon.
Ricki145 1 year ago
Perhaps you haven't knowledge of physics....
Young (the astronaut) jumped up, the dust didn't jump up, so he is going to carry on ascending, when the lunar dust pucked up on his boots will fall off.
sheldonholy 1 year ago
@tkrWkLNsQk Just saw this vid'
How do you explain the lack of aeration of the lunar regolith?
It's in a vacuum......that's why....DoH!
Tweekerhead 1 month ago
Hipper, watch tkrWkLNsQk's third video of this subject, "The sand of too fast fall in Apollo 16(Analyze)".
I made also an investigation of this jump, and ended with results quite similar as tkrWkLNsQk did. If you want to see the jump in slow motion, measurements and equations, click on my name and see the video.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago
@hippertydog Just like the average american, they don't believe anything even if they can see it smell it and talk to it. Evidence no longer matters to americans they have been brain washed for generations and now are to weak mentally to understand simple concepts.
Potemtole 1 year ago
This is obvious proof that they were held up by wires. The sand should fall at the same speed. Like the Hammer and Feather.
timrocket2008 2 years ago
Of course because the initial vertical velocity of the sand and the astronaut are identical. Oh Wait They Aren't!
WatanukiProductions 2 years ago
i wonder why people refuse to believe that we went to the moon
TimmyJthe1st 3 years ago
Because it was Faked to end the Cold War.
timrocket2008 2 years ago
So you think some old man who had a vendetta against the rocket engineering company that fired him and some students can uncover one of the biggest hoaxes in history, yet the entirety of the USSR intelligence services and science communities couldn't uncover shit and acknowledged it as truth, even though they had full motive to do the opposite?
MChav7 2 years ago
Absolutely right MChav. Where are all the scientists and engineers that support this ridiculous moonhoax conspiracy..?
Rob260259 2 years ago
The only thing ridiculous about the moon hoax is that its just that a ridiculous hoax...so ridiculous in fact, they now refuse to do same stupid chit again even after they built another billion dollar rocket. To try to pull off the same ridiculous hoax in this day and age would be madness not ridiculous. Is really any wonder why they pulled the plug on going "back to the Moon"?
fanbutton 2 years ago
@fanbutton
The only ridiculous fact is that people like you think they are smarter than all those scientists and engineers.
Rob260259 2 years ago
because as the years pass, it becomes increasingly clear that we did not!
spasemonkey05 2 years ago
Because it makes them feel "special" to be in on a "big secret".
AnnieMouse60 2 years ago
There is dust scattering in a lot of different ways there. For instance, he is jumping by pushing off first with his legs, then with his feet, particularly his toes. The toes of his boots dig in as he does this and display a sort of bow shock as he rises. dust sprays in multiple directions.
satweavers 3 years ago 2
But , many dust is kicked up to up.
It understand clearly from this movie.
tkrWkLNsQk 3 years ago
Um, the dust hasn't completely fallen yet at the end of this repeated clip (0:09). It has only dispersed a bit after being kicked up, but you can still see it off the ground. It actually comes to rest a few seconds later with no dust clouds. This affect is much easier to observe with other clips of higher volumes of dust being kicked up. The fact remains that when you speed this clip up enough to match earth gravity, using jump height and fall time, the jumps look goofy.
hugesinker 3 years ago
The illusion of Moon gravity is not created just by showing us the videos with alteresd (slowed) speed. You can see astronauts suspended and pulled by wires! Therefore you cannot fix it to "look right" just by altering the speed of the video! It would never look right just with speeding the film up, because the wires create the low gravity illusion. If you tried, the result would be too fast movement of astronauts legs and arms making it look reidiculous.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
Man my typing is bad (once again)!
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
I have yet to see any wires that were not an antenna reflection on the spacesuit pack or video compression errors that were repeated throughout the frame. Even when these are shown, the direction of tension and the balance at the center of mass are inconsistent with wire-assisted jumps. Perhaps you have seen some footage I missed.
hugesinker 3 years ago
"Apollo Astro-nots on wires."
by greenmagoos, video 2SEdY7oPSqo, video time 2:15 - 2:16
If you can dOwnload the clip and use VirtualDub or another editor to see it frame by frame, it helps. In VirtualDub it's frames 3381 - 3400.
And that's no antenna clip for certain, because it's a close image, and you can see antenna on the packback on the left of the screen and this one is in the middle.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
The Virtualdub frames are useless for you. Sorry about that. I noticed that they change when I encode this Youtube clip. And I need to encode it again, because VirtualDub cannot use clips downloaded from here. The frame numbers seem to change when you use different video resolution, bitrate or compression. I don't know which one does it, but you've better check the time of the video, and then go there with your video editing tool.
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Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
Heh. Shane Killian banned me. Without warning. Said I used slander. Imagine! The king of slander who blamed all of us as hoaxers and used every ugly name he could to mock us, blames me of slandering!
Well, I'm coming back. I will expose his editing Bart Siebrel's video and how he is deliberately trying to cheat people. Which makes HIM the hoaxer. I gave him time to answer, he did not. So I will expose him.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
Congratulations! I saw this phenomena of the dirt falling too fast watching shanedk's video. It was so clear I couldn't believe he denied it! His video clip only plays the jump twice, and it was clear as rain to me!
This is a SMOKING GUN!
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
When you see this clip entirely, the astronaut is so obviously suspended (by wires), it hurts my eye!
Well, this isn't the only footage where it's obvious they are suspended with wires. It's everywhere, but another very clear case is where an astronaut falls and is pulled back up with the wire helping him too much.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
When you don't show the astronaut falling back down to the moon how are we supposed to compare it to the speed of the sand?
maggie378 4 years ago
The sand was reaching near the leg of the astronaut in this movie.
Could you estimate the height of the apex of the sand and the falling time of the sand by using mathematics?
You would feel strange for that result.
tkrWkLNsQk 4 years ago
There's plenty of this clips around to see it. But I agree it could have been shown in the end of this clip. It would have underlined this case.
It is very good point to repeatedly play this, as it makes the issue clear.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
nol6DILek3o <- There's the whole salute jump for you.
Aurinkohirvi 3 years ago
"It wasn't launched with the same initial force as the astronaut"
I guess it means "static electricity" did it again....
I guess moron vector believes sand is more heavy than the actornaut...
AzraelEngel2 4 years ago
Of course the sand comes down sooner. It wasn't launched with the same initial force as the astronaut.
This is really basic stuff.
Have any of you ASCOTs ever taken a basic science or physics course?
svector 4 years ago
this would defy Newton's third law of motion
JMazz89 4 years ago
No it wouldn't.
svector 4 years ago
You're right, Newton never went to the moon so how would he know?
carnooba 4 years ago
I believe Newton's third law says that for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction force. If you were to take a tennisball and throw it in a puddle of water, the spash would go just as as the tennisball. I think, I'll have to try.
JMazz89 4 years ago
Svector, the dirt is launched upwards the same moment as the astronaut is. Sure the dirt under his boots starts fall sooner as it does not rise as high.
But this case and tkrWkLNsQk's analysis has nothing to do which is launched or starts to fall sooner. It is about how long they last. In other words, about the gravity pull.
Aurinkohirvi 2 years ago