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  • this video proved nothing

  • Those that think the ferrari is not racing are idiots ..

    The punto is pushing 1.4bar , at least 350+ hp ?

    and the subaru is running 1.2 bar , no problem out running that testa .

    But the testa is always one hell of a car :DDD

  • Lets race the same cars with the same year (stock) and then review...

  • @aca152 well sure. A 100+ thousand dollar car I sure hope would out perform a 35-40k car. Spend about 50k on tuning the Subaru and then we can get a comparable contest with cost involved. Or they could race them both stock in the snow as well.

  • First time, the ferrari was not racing, at least thats how it looks like, and its a old ferrari, so from the 300hp it will only have a small 200 left.

  • This is not an amazing video. It is complete garbage. The Testarossa is running almost 400 hp compared to 250 hp coming out of that Imprezza. Put a real driver in that Ferrari.

  • i guess this is fake. the guy with the camera is sitting in a fiat punto gt? impossible it could even go as fast as the ferrari does. goes the race is fake.

  • Replica much? it is probably a pontiac fiero used as a kit car

  • ferrari...what a gay piece of crap called "a car"

  • RA or better yet a 22B would be epic but I'd love to own that Ferrari - can always make it faster!

  • type-ra ♥

  • doesn't matter that ferrari, looks and sounds so much sexier and that sti is probably at least 15 years newer. and i'd still rather have the ferrari. 

  • wow that ferrari take liek 10 secs to shift..... non driver

  • stupid guys .... you now the horse power of this ferrari?. The impreza is a nice car, but the only japanis car like a ferrari is a supra.

  • This is an old video of a Old Subaru Impreza VS an Classic Ferrari.

    It's wrong. This is an old video of a Classic Subaru Impreza VS an Old Ferrari

  • That  Ferrari is REPLICA HAHA

  • That ferrari's older then my grandma

  • @sprinkler5802 It's a Testarrossa man ! Not any Ferrari. A legend between legends

  • must not watch!!!

  • my dick is bigger then your dick...it sure is and it,s on your fucking forehead!

  • Watch my new Videos its amazing

  • Subaru Love!

  • Pasan los cambios como abuelitas.

  • This is Patanpower786 the owner of this video. Please may I request that all hater to stop fucking hating and this video isn't mine its my friend who told me to upload it. Please subscribe to my channel and there will be more video. And by the way this was my first ever Youtube video and I who it isn't good sorry about that. SO AGAIN PLEASE SUBSCRIBE

  • @powxpurplexx thats because he wanted to have a smaller turing radius so he could stay in the lead?

  • @powxpurplexx y wud he hit the brakes? and how wud u know, was u drivin lol ur fake and gay!

  • Субару унылое гавно )))

  • Worst shifting going on lol

  • @rumble291 lol the gearbox in that thing is probably old and heavy

  • Nice ferrari

  • @powxpurplexx brakes* and* you fucking nublet.

  • Fuji Heavy Industries will crush that unreliable poser prancing horse.

  • !!!!!!!! the punto has no WINS... you are crazy? the ferrari did not support bottom.... check you even between the acceleration 1 and the accelertion 2... You may see;)

  • Because you see, the camera mans basic family car would be able to keep up with those wouldn't it?

  • Does your butt tingle when you sit in that new Japanese car? Google and read "Where Were The Japanese Radioactive Cars Shipped?"

  • subaru can be made awesomely fast, but the V12 sound is second to none!

  • how can i dislike this multiple times?

  • even the guy with the camera is as fast as the ferrari....so that means that the ferrari did not use all of his 380 bhp

  • Subaru is the best hands down

  • more dislikes then likes... hope u get the message.

  • who cares if the fer lost , u c how sexy that cars is, 

  • @ggiizzmmo that thing is ugly as sin

  • It's just a 380hp Ferrari. FYI A Testarossa 512M or a even a 512 TR would destroy those cars.

  • well that was shit

  • Learn how to race!

  • That model ferrari is slow.. They should go mess with a F40.. >_>; Then you will taste Ferrari's wrath.

  • Los weones aburridos.

  • i bet the guy with the ferrari went and bought a subaru after this

  • @TheMRSCHUCKNORRIS lol i know i would have

  • that ferrari was not even half way in throttle

  • subaru owned

    

  • wow thumbs down the ferrari driver blows

  • scheis ferarri subaru ist viel besser

  • your comparing a Subaru to a Ferrari, whats the point?

  • @glitchlighting I'm not denying that. I have a moded VW T4 that will give a lot of sports cars a good run, but I'm not gonna start comparing it to an exotic car just cause I can keep up with it. Ever heard of anyone fitting an after-market turbo to a Ferrari? :))

  • I simply don't see the reason for comparing Subaru with real cars. A big fat turbo will not put it in the same league with a Ferrari; hell, not even a VW

  • The testarossa driver could shift a bit quicker and he'd do a lot better. He's hitting the high revs okay....but needs to be just a bit harder on the car - and it would easily pull away from that Subi!

  • Ferrari driver wasn't even bothered, if he was he would have left the Subaru sitting.

  • punto GT!!!!!!

  • the ferrari looks like a kit car

  • my nissan 300ZX fully loaded with power & kits is way nicer, more powerfull & oh it does 0 to 60 in 3sec on open road.... autobahn is my play ground

  • @ladidaddy100 Riveting tale, chap

  • and for hells sake even the minivan is keeping up with it. something's not right here

  • i cite wikipedia's testarossa page

  • The Ferrari Testarossa can accelerate from 0–100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) in 5.8 seconds[1] and from 0–60 miles per hour (97 km/h) in 5.2 seconds and on to 100 mph (161 km/h) in 11.40 seconds[1] (though Motor Trend Magazine managed 5.29 seconds and 11.3 seconds, respectively).[2] It can complete a standing (from stationary) quarter mile (~400 m) in 13.50 seconds or a standing kilometre in 23.80 seconds.[1] The maximum speed of the Testarossa is 290 kilometres per hour (180 mph).[9]

  • Passenger" Hehehehe lemme stick my head out the window!!!!"

  • Crap old Ferrary... try it with an contemporary Ferrari, not that old beat Testarrossa.

  • @powxpurplexx agree !

  • 0:19 dat guy was laughingg at u cuz he thinks ure a moron,he was enjoying his beautiful ferrari whiole u guys r jealous n ask him to race their ugly cheapy cars,ppl like u should think,if they sell sportscars for street racing then why is it legal to be sold ? think !

  • dat ferrari guy must've think ure a moron bcuz he wasnt even racing,only cheapy morons like u who like to ask ppl to get race when they see a ferrari

  • Ferrari sounds like sex.

    P.S. This is no fucking track

  • @patanpower786 ur a fag

  • ferari is crap

  • that ferrari (and im not joking when i say this) went down as the ugliest/slowest ferrari to roll out of maranello, so really its not much compared to my sisters huffy

  • good job you guys beat a ferrari from 1924.

  • @DarkHour404 its still a fuckin ferrari....

  • @Qball914 yeah, does not mean they are all fast. You can take a modern camaro or mustang and maybe put a few grand and it will destroy this thing.

  • @DarkHour404 beat ? r u suckin exhaust fume ? dat ferrari guy wasnt even racing

  • @KPKonlineromg shut up, you have no knowledge about cars and how they work, a subru isnt a ricer you fucking idiot. O my god I hate kids like you, Just because its a ferrari does not mean its fast, this one was made from 1980's it does not even have over 500HP.

  • @DarkHour404 lol u talk too much,the STi is a ricer cuz most STi drivers always ask a ferrari to race even when da ferrari didnt wanna race.And i know dat ferrari isnt dat fast cuz its old.But dat ferari guy wasnt racing.

  • @KPKonliner I alk to much? you just posted like 5 comments on this page replying to everyone you dumbfuck haha. You can't type for shit, your a little 14 year old kid who knows nothing about cars. Shut the fuck up okay? you don't even have a car. And STI are not ricers you! are you stupid? Do you even know what ricer means? you couldnt even afford a honda civic.

  • @DarkHour404 haha i have a car u dumb.STi are ricers cuz msot of them always ask a ferrari to race.LOL my car is F430 and ure saying i cant afford a civic ? hahaha u got no future,faggot

  • @KPKonliner HAHAHAHAHAHAH you got a f430? hahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh­hhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahah......aaaaaaaahahah­a. You likeing sack if shit. You are not even over 17 years old you cannot even drive yet, your a big fat lieing mexican hahaha. You a typical youtube kid who lies over the internet, Ive seen millions of you, your nothing new. I have a 2007 Mustang GT which will destroy anything you have. And I pay it all by myself. And this ferrari was racing you moron. IDIOT haha.

  • @DarkHour404 man why are u laughing ? IS f430 a bad car ? I'm 21.Just wanna say to you all that I hate it when those youngsters ask me for a stupid illgela street race.

  • @KPKonliner dude just stop lieing, you can't even spell "illegal". You could not spell half of your worlds. You are not 21. You are no older then 15 years old or 14. Whatever you are. STOP LIEING. I know you do not own a f430. You do not even own a honda, you do not own anycar. If you can afford a f430, you can afford a camera, POST a video of you and your car on youtube. What is your excuse "I do not know how to work a camera". Right? stupid child. I hate kids, I hate hate hate kids so much.

  • @DarkHour404 its a waste of time talking to u.Wont be replying in the future.

  • @KPKonliner lmao, good get the fuck out here, next time if your going to make up a lie, at least try to type right and not argue like a 10 year old and MAYBE people might think your telling the truth.

  • @DarkHour404 a lie ? ah whatever man im outta here , seez

  • @KPKonliner yes I lie, I told you to make a video of your 'ferrari". Why didnt you? because YOU dont have one, so you dont want me to prove you wrong so you look like a idiot infront of me and everyone here, its simple.

  • @DarkHour404

    Bit far man, but all the lying arrogant tossers.. sure im with you :)

  • @DarkHour404 listen,i'll shut up,just want u to know dat ferrari guy wasnt even racing

  • nice  512 engine flat

  • LMAO prolly not even a genuine testarossa.

    get your scrub ass outa here.

  • i'm not sure that's a Ferrari ... i think it's just a copy with some garbage engine

  • old car (ferrari this model ) and shit car( fiat punto) is the biggest shit !!!

  • your-stuipid-you-said"ferrari vs subaru on track"and-its-on-the-road

  • Yes its a testarossa everyone jeesh. didnt seem to me to be a real race. This particular Ferrari is much too old to count as a worthy race of Rice v. Pasta or Super v Domestic. Now pit a lightly modded STI v. newer, say.... 2005 and up Pasta rocket then you have a worthy race to count as which being the better engineering for your dollar.

  • That was a very nice track

  • no w8 its a Testarosa :/ its a beno :/ pretty but crap

  • its a 512 tr if the guy was flooring it u would of heard a loud screaming noise :/ that was'int a race it was a cruise :o

  • very nice ... good one

  • ferraris are garbage

    just ask Mask from TapouT

  • is an old Ferrari ... asd, if it was a 360 Modena or F430 or F430 Scuderia ... Subaru clung to f**k

  • AAAHHHH a red hot Testarosa! what a beauty.

    The most beautifull model next to the 355 series...

  • wth im 12 and i cud drive the ferrari better then tht subaru no offense to subarus i think theyre sick but against a ferrari

  • @Footfungus1 hey hush your lil ass kid

  • @Footfungus1 bla bla bla shut yer fuck up u childish brat

  • Punto wins

  • @kikiki997 u sick dumbass,dat ferrari guy was enjoying his car,wjhile this stupid moron is jealous of da ferrari n ask for a race,but da ferrari didnt want to.Why ? cuz he owns a ferrari,unlike these ricy street rats

  • @kikiki997 no,the punto lose from the ricy guy,while the ferrari wasnt participating

  • @kikiki997 Punto always wins

  • i just uploaded it to my account i didnt make the video

  • @patanpower786 - scab

  • Just to clear it up for you... a production car is one made by machine in a line of others exactly the same.... anything hand made is NOT a production car.. thats why corvette and ferraries are both production cars they come off a line.

  • The guy who made this video needs to come out of the closet...

  • Twin turbo that ferrari then rematch. The twin turbo kit for that testerossa is pretty wicked.

  • What I find odd is that the camera car 'only a Fiat Punto GT' can keep up with the Testarossa. Rigged video

  • lmfao gay peeps fighing

  • What a load of shit , the Subaru would have to have nearly 600hp to out top the Testarossa.

    Testarossa top speed about 180 mph you would need about 500hp from a Subaru to get that . all he had was 1.2 bar and a 2.5inch exhaust .

  • nope. 378 hp is all it takes for it to do whut it done did. because at 500 hp, subarus are doing high 10 low 11 sec 1/4 mi. more than likely high 10s

  • Subaru's are driven by 26 yr old Chavs in Burberry baseball caps who still live with their parents. Real cars have more than 4 cly's fact!

  • Your definition of a real car is based on what? Stop using your grandmothers computer to post senseless crap.

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  • @NoxiousStyles Sorry i forgot anyone with any real wealth & Style drives around in a Subaru once again NoxiousStyles im really sorry.

    i was getting confused because everytime i see one it has a complete twat in a baseball cap driving. that looks about 26. I must remember if i win the lotto not to forget the Subaru dealesr when im off looking at ferrari's lambo's , etc.....

  • Dont get me wrong, if I was rich I'd drive a Lambo or Ferrari or whatever, but I'd still have a WRX as well, they all sound and drive different, from the scream of a V12 to the rumble of a Boxer, they're all cool. But on another note, if WRX's were all driven by old men with receding hairlines, it wouldn't make the car so appealing would it? Would they actually know what a turbo is let alone blow one up.

  • Lmao totally agree! I'd keep my STI and get something nice for the weekends.

  • Here is some enlightenment:

    1:You win the lotto & buy a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.

    I win the lotto, buy a few 90's Subarus, put $100K in them for fun, & watch it completely crush that exotic. Not to mention they would be totally civil & street worthy.

    2:Real cars have real power & handling, 4 cylinders or not. Turbo or not.

    3:European cars no longer have the spotlight. They are good but now American sports cars & Japanese sports cars have stepped up their game.

  • wrong, as per usual

  • @ByteMe1231 Sorry, but this is a discussion about fast cars, you are from the US so you cant join in. You need to find a discussion on cars that have huge engines with no horsepower that dont go around corners. ok.

  • your right american cars cant corner and are slow right? oh wait..... what are two of the fastest cars that have gone around the nurburgring? the chevy corvette zr1 and the dodge viper acr? which are what, 100,000 dollars cheaper than your ferrari 599 with better performance numbers? hmm odd isnt it you euro fuck bag

  • Dot cry ! you can say it untill you are blue in your big fat burger eating face. Ferrari or Pig iron Chevy who gives a fuck about nurburgring. who in the right mind would buy a corvette over a Ferrari.

    not EURO . I am English , you should know you do speak our language. Our little old island, your big American continent and you speak our language. thats because we own your arse

  • @longwakeuptour

    How old are you, because you really seem younger than probably 13.

  • @longwakeuptour why not buy a corvette? its less expensive, has the same performance numbers if not better, gets better gas mileage, people wont key it everywhere you go, it will last more than 40,000 miles, it looks really good and lastly its AMERICAN! why would you choose a car thats got a 200,000 sticker when you can get a better car for half that? times are changing, dont get left behind kiddo

  • @matman142

    not to mention that, with the money you save from buying the corvette over the lambo or ferrari, you can tune it to over 1000 hp

  • @drummerblade absolutely

  • I ride American allday, they can keep their europeon garbage lol

  • wrong the top 2 fastest production cars to go around the Nurburgring are the 1stRadical SR8LM 2nd Radical SR8 which are British and if you want to be fussy the next fastest 3rd is the Gumpert Apollo Speed (German built) 4th Donkervoort D8 270 RS 5th Donkervoort D8 RS (German built) then 6th dodge viper acr and the shitty chevy corvette zr1 comes in at No 10. so please stop boring me with how great the Corvette is. You are American so you are going to love everthing American, end of..

  • @longwakeuptour those can barely be classified as production cars! are you kidding me? how many of any of those cars have you ever seen in your life? they dont have radical dealerships in every city you ignorant fuck. use common sense, it needs a boot, a roof, and it should probably have some kind of safety features, like an airbag. and the gumpert apollo SPEED is not a production car that you can just buy. you have to be selected from a waiting list to get one dumbass. dont be ignorant

  • O sorry i didt realise we where goig by matman142 rule where it clearly states and i quote "it needs a boot, a roof, and it should probably have some kind of safety features, like an airbag." fuck off you fat arse yank making up your own rules . i can get in my car and be at a dealer that can sell me a radical or even a Caparo T1 . just cos you think that it needs cup holders so you can put your Mc Donalds super size coke cup in to it . those are production cars whether you like it or not.

  • @longwakeuptour its funny you say that the united states is so fat yet 27% of americans are overweight but 24% of british are overweight too. isnt that something? Britain is by far the fattest European country so go eat some more food you fat fucking brit, and maybe pay a visit to the dentist to fix your disgusting teeth.

  • wrong again fatty.cant you get anything right..

    The facts and i quote from National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey "The latest National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey in the United States has found at 72.9% of the country's population is overweight, obese, or extremely obese. The big news from this study is that more people over 20 years of age are now obese

    Have you ever slept with your sister? Redneck

  • You are in Punto

  • in the end of THIS VIDEO SUBARU>FERRARI. its like a greyhound (SUBARU) footracing a german shepard mix (FERRARI)

  • @CAVEMANUNO the ferrari wasn't trying. Stop getting your hopes up...chump

  • MORE SUBARU PWNAGE subaru vs ferrari karditsa FERRARI= OWNED OWNED OWNED OWNED OWNED OWNED OWNED

  • @Teqnik777 no, i was saying the f 4o was sexy, thats a testarossa, not a 512. theyre sexy too but not as much as the f40. sexiest ferrari ever.

  • THATS F40. SEXY F 40, mmmmmmmm. but ID TRADE IT IN FOR A 22b . no lol on that

  • the ferrari nearly got left by a punto.....jeeesus.

  • Puntos are fast tho' man - there's no shame in that......

  • LOL! Puntos? Fast? Yeah, right. If that Punto is 'fast', then that Subaru must be God in your eyes. I mean, this video shows a a tuned Punto, a Testarossa it can keep a short pace with, and an Impreza, which completely rapes them. Puntos are fast....and you're the guy telling ME to get a license? LOL! You're the retard who doesn't know anything about what you speak of.

  • I think you need to go get yourself a sense of humour there pointdexter.......

  • "The Ferrari 512 TR can accelerate from 097 kilometres per hour (60 mph) in 4.90 seconds & has 428hp. Vehicle Weight - 3,243 lbs."

    - LOL! THAT'S what you're trying to say Subaru doesn't measure up to? Dude, there are STOCK STis out there that will beat you from the line and feel just as comfortable doing it. Can you say 4.2 seconds from 0-60? STOCK w/300hp. If you put 428hp in a WRX or an STi, it will be like light speed compared to your 512TR. Look into tuning & don't ever race a LF25.

  • As I said before Junior, Bullshit - 2 cars. Don't believe a word of it.

    So you're teling me a hotted up Subaru can beat a 16 year old Ferrar-wowi?! ...and you basis for that is 0-60 times? There's more to racing than that.

    Ignore the old cars, tell me how your 10k Honda will whip a 599 please?

    You're such a one eyed idiot it's unbelievable.

    If you're going to pretend you have 2 cars, why don't you pretend you decent cars, like 2 Bugattis, then you won't be so bitter.

  • 1)It doesn't matter whether YOU think it's bullshit or not. The cars were driven & examined by professionals & those were the results. Btw, I know there is more to racing than that, old man. I'm just bringing up the basic stats.

    2)A $10K Subaru is much different than a $10K Honda. It may not beat a 599, but they will DEFINITELY rock that old shit that you own. Also, there are modified Subarus smashing on new age F430s. You need to open your eyes, dude.

    3)Bugattis suck. Would never want one.

  • If you know there's more to racing than 0-60 why is that all you bang on about? Any car is quick up to 60. Circuit times are a good guide, not accel to some abitrary low speed.

    Old shit I own? I assume you mean the 512? It's a 16 year old car-never claimed it was still the king but goes ok. it's not what I drive to go fast but 195 and 0-100 under 10 secs still isn't bad.

    Bugattis suck? If you're into working on cars like you say, how can you not admire the engineering in that thing?Awesome?

  • The last time I mention 0-60 times was a few comments ago. If you want good circuit times, both Ferrari & Subaru as well as other makes have them.

    It's not that I don't respect the engineering that went into the Bugatti, it's just that you could have an Enzo or a Ultimate Aero for much less & look/perform 10x better. Hell, half of Ferrari's line up looks/performs better on a track than a Veyron does.

  • @chuckysue777 YOU DRIVE WHAT EXOTIC? EXACTLY. YOU SUCK MENS ASSES FOR FOOD MONEY. YOU LOST UR LEFT TESTICLE IN A SCHOOL FIGHT WITH A STAPLER. your mother gets off on joan rivers. your fathers nickname is dick van duck cause he duck down n suck dick. SO STFU SUBARU FTW . your father is your brother and your uncle too. go fukk urself till u blood clot in ur asshole. ferrari sux( EXCEPT THE F4, WHICH IS SEXY. too bad you dont own 1) y... UR A LOSER. GO DIE OF BLOODY DIARRHEA

  • @chuckysue777 we can tell u suck dick cause your mouth stay open . get a clue, catch a venereal disease and piss with discomfort on your soon-to-be grave

  • Hey man I think you've logged into the wrong site.

    If you're looking for the sort of action you need to go to your usual web hang out - gimp.

    who gives a fuck what an uneducated, redneck bigot like you thinks. If I only had one testicle it'd still be one more than you lady boy.

    Enjoy your sister tonight Cooder.

    Why you take this so personally I have no idea, you need to get out more.

    It's only a car video on YT ffs.

  • dude not only am i BLACK im better looking, smarter, more hung, pull more chicks get more dough AND working on an album. so get ur shit legit bum. educate your mind. free your lips from the ignorance that belies ind your mind. your frivilous loquacious subterfuge makes me laugh and vomit at the same time, so -_- ,,l,

  • Ok, I didn't know you were a rich black musician with chicks, dough....and drives a........... Subaru. Hahahahahahaha. Loser, wannbe.

    You're funny man. Yeah Subaru the car of choice for rappers and rock stars - 50 has a fleet of..., hang on, Ferraris.

    Dipshit.

    If you weren't such a fucking retarded this would be fun.

    Why am I biased? It's you that says subaru is better than EVERYTHING, not me-you're the one with the one dimension biased view poindexter.

  • @chuckysue777 u dumbass, if i like something, i drive it. bitch i sing, im pro at it too. i dont follow a hype. i set my own trends. MY DICK IS BIG ENOUGH THAT I DONT NEED TO COMPENSATE. i do WUT I PLEASE. BUT SEE, IK THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE SUBARU. theyve won numerous races, numerous championships and still kicks ass. its pugeot dumbass, perish the thought that you use your computer to actually learn something. you spend your time sucking my balls with every comment ,,l, -_-,,l, TADA BEYOTCH.

  • @chuckysue777 you need to do some serious research. subaru has the aerodynamics of a brick falling off a wall, yet manages to kick all types of ass in the car industry. yet you are biased because youre uneducated. id rather drive a car that the manufacturer doesnt bug. id rather drive a car proven to win multiple racing championships consecutively. id rather drive... a subaru, CAUSE YOUR GRANNY WAS TAKEN

  • If you want a car with real racing pedigree, Peigoet and Lancia have won more rally champs than Subaru, Ferrari 60 years in F1, Porsche Le Mans records, Audi, Le Mans records, Mercedes, F1, etc etc etc. Where ar Subaru in racing now - fucking nowhere, Citroen and Ford are kicking ass.

    Again you have a one eyed view of whatever you look at.

    Redneck. My Granny?? What the fuck are you on ffs? get over yourself you sad cunt.

  • Subaru still races. just not rally they race in the Super GT. and racing pedigees dont stand for shit. if someone makes a new car that dominates others, thats what matters. thats like saying, oh yeah, i used to be a badass but now im an old pussy. oh there cool because they won all thies races in the past, who cares its exactly that the past. its about what your doing now. the whole pedigree thing is played out. and good for ford and citroen Subaru has moved on giving others a chance to win.

  • @nukemutant187 l like u. see, u understand what the deal is. chuck (gay ass name) is mad because ferarri got pwned . racing heritage my left testicle. a win is a win regardless. TOO BAD IT WASNT FERRARI LMAOROTFLHMS.

  • ypu're saying that if subaru was there, they'd be winning??? If they could win it that easy-they'd be there.

    Pedigree means that 'I'm now an old pussy'? I think it means that I used to race and I still race, win or lose I compete. Car makers like that keep competition going. Not companies that lose a few and go and sulk.

    Pedigree would only mean nothing if you didn't have any. When you race, win or lose, it improves the cars you make for the street.

  • @Germanhelmeto yeah, but thats what subaru has done. theyve been around for at least 50 years making cars. but see, people get all bent out of shape because the technology in the subaru was so great that it can compete with sum big boys and give them a run for their money. ppl are tripping about subaru. THEY are FANTASTIC CARS. but peradventure that subaru hand built their engines and other components and juiced em to hell? hmmm. id like a flat6 m-awd sti 22b twin turbo O_O O_O O_O O_O